Lampard was such an unreal goalscorer that people forget what a genius, world class playmaker and technical master he was. I mean, he is a literal genius. It's quite sad really. Long range goals, runs and positioning, anticipation, controlling the game (as he actually played in deeper positions for most of his career and facilitated build up before running late), progressive passes, intricate final third play, set pieces, touch, left foot ability, trivela and no look passes, work rate, professionalism and leading by example. And the defending... he averaged more interceptions and tackles with a higher success rate than most of the most highly rated defenders and defensive midfielders today have managed in their best seasons. And he did all that without the freakish power of Gerrard or the diminutive frame and balance of Scholes.
You almost brought tears to my eyes, mate. You couldn't have put it any better. Lamps for me is the best of the 3. For the reasons you've put down as well as the fact that when he left the EPL, he was 3rd in EPL all-time goalscoring list and 2nd in all-time assist list.
@@ibrahim-mahimbokivugo4870 They don't give Lampard any credit for anything else than goals, it's crazy. His IQ and passing skills were great. I don't recall Gerrard or Scholes giving trouble to Barca teams like Lampard did, except Scholes's goal in 08 but even he admitted they couldn't take the ball out of their feet.
Gerrard could make an average team great by sheer force of will. He did it so many times as a leader to inspire his fellow players. He had NO weaknesses and could do EVERYTHING. Scholes and Lampard couldn't do those things. If you want opinions on Gerrard then ask Zidane, Henry, Totti, Rooney, Torres, Suarez, Pele, Maldini...I could go on.
England managers were idiots for not building on this, should have dropped the 4-4-2 and just played a 4-5-1 with Scholes in the Pirlo role, Gerrard box to box and Lampard supporting whoever is the lone striker- Rooney(post 2004)/Owen (98-2002); Beckham was never a proper winger anyways more of a Right sided Midfielder so you got 4 mids to compensate for the lack of an out n out DM. Ashley Cole was an attacking fullback for those times n can also be allowed to support as an auxiliary winger even if you want to drop Joe Cole n play another ST or a DM
Lampard was a goal scoring freak, Scholes could have played in the best Barcelona team ever in central midfield, but Gerrard had everything. Most complete midfielder I've ever seen and able to win a game on his own.
@24xv555 Choked?! Go watch Champions League 2005 & Fa cup finals vs Milan & WestHam respectively & Champions league game vs Olympiakos! Literally opposite of choking.
It's an opinion at the end of the day. There's no scientific formula to determine who was best. It's subjective and you have to take into consideration the fact that some of these ex-players have a degree of bias. Everyone is entitled to their say. For me it's Scholes, but as I say, it's just an opinion.
Anybody in their 30s or older that have followed Man Utd would agree to this. But let me real. People have always appreciated Scholes, but once Xavi showed his admiration for him, the whole world changed their view on Scholes. It’s like EVERYBODY’s opinion on Scholes went from good player to worldclass OVERNIGHT. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
The English preferred Gerrard and Frank because they played in the EPL style of the time. Paul played more like he was from the continent...Xavi was right, he didn't change minds as much as he made it ok to hold that opinion. I thought Gerrard was over-hyped.
If i want someone to run a midfield its scholes...if i want someone for more goals its lampard.. If i want someone to build a team around him its gerrard...the big difference are the teams they played and scholes and lambard played in some serious serious teams all around.. Gerrard had only 2-3 serious players with him and that was at times...
Scholes spent the majority of his career in a midfield 2, with Keane or Butt when 4-4-2 was the order of the day. Gerrard and Lampard thrived in midfield trios in 4-3-3s. So Scholes' job was tougher and he was most complete.
Get your point,but it's not like Scholes was playing in a 4-4-2 against a 4-3-3, when mou started using 4-3-3 in the epl, Fergie also switched to a 4-3-3 a season after.Gerrard more complete imo
More complete than Gerrard? Best passer of a ball since Hoddle, but he was an asthmatic who couldn't tackle so how does that make him more complete than Gerrard who could literally do everything?
scholes himself said gerrard is more complete. he also said gerrard could have done what he did at utd but he couldn't have done what gerrard did at liverpool.
I don't think Ferguson could've done what he did without Scholes. It showed when he brought him out of retirement and United won the league again. He just has a style in midfield that opens space, he's quick with his passing.
The majority of the England teammates were all ex liverpool/ Gerrards mates. You did get a couple of neatrals saying picking gerrard over schols but for the most part I think scholes is considered better
Scholes is the most decorated player of these three on a club level. Scholes didn't need to go to US to keep playing football. He was top until the very last match.
No that’s a lie LMAO. He was an offensive centre-mid for a majority of his career until he started ageing and lost his pace. Same as Gerrard and Lampard who became a deep lying playmaker at the end of their careers.
Next time just tell us you're a kid who didn't get to watch Scholes.... Scholes played as an attacking midfieldler for the first decade of his career. He only really moved into a deeper role in the latter part of his career (2006 and onwards).
@@JensKofmann27 nope, he used to play as a second striker. became a CM soon after that. Gerrard and Lampard became CMs when they were past their primes. Scholes' prime was as a CM.
@@brianduru3753 nope, he used to play as a second striker. became a CM soon after that. Gerrard and Lampard became CMs when they were past their primes. Scholes' prime was as a CM. clearly you aren't very bright. how old are you? i'm definitely older than you kid.
Pirlo said" Scholes is technically one of the best I've seen. Not just the best English man but simply one of the best." Xavi said " He's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15 20 years." End of conversation.
@CTOTHER completely true mate. The point I was trying to make though was that they are far more qualified than anyone on here to have an opinion. Which has to be heard.
@@CTOTHERbetter at scoring. notice how the good professional players say gerrard and lampard. but the best? thiery henry, pirlo, xavi, pep (coach) all say scholes. make no mistake, scoring, big game impact are all important, but their passing accuracy is not equal to game intelligence and vision, which the absolute legends can see the value of.
in fact, england is notorious for picking physicality, power and pace over technique and intelligence, hence all these english players like carragher mentioning gerrard's pace, lampard's shooting but vision can't be measured unfortunately, such as xavi's or pirlo's
For me as a fan of AC Milan, it has to be Steven Gerrard. The box to box capability of defending and attacking and controlling the midfield, he has the lung power, the pass accuracy, the industry, the precision passing and crossing, incredible header of the ball and amazing shot power that it looks like the ball is rifled into the net. I mean if you look at modern footballers shooting, the ball has some trajectory where to lifts and then projects downwards or sideways because the velocity is not that fast. But if you look at Steven Gerrard’s shooting. He has those low grounder balls that goes straight like a dart at high speed into the net. That means the velocity is higher than most footballers can achieve in a shot. For me that is absolutely outstanding power he projects onto the ball and it doesn’t dip, it just rifles in like a rocket. Every team in 2005 would place him as CM or AM in their first eleven any day of the week.
Shooting, passing, play making, one can make an argument for all 3. But add defending, pace, and critical time goal scoring ability, and Stevie G gets the nod in my opinion.
Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Busquetts and Puyol all drew straws to get Scholes' shirt (Iniesta won). Andre Pirlo, Zinadine Zidane, Edgar Davids, Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Luis Figo, Pep Guardiola, George Best; they all rated Scholes as one of the all time greats (some of them even said the greatest).
Why don't you admit that Gerrard had no weaknesses and could do everything on the pitch? If you want opinions then many, many great players have hailed Gerrard.
Messi called Gerrard England's greatest ever player. Zidane called him the best in the world between 06 and 08. I'm sure plenty have said similar about Lampard. Doesn't really prove much, other than it's all just opinions.
My takeaway from this is, if you spent more time playing with or watching one over the other, you think that person's the better player. I'm picking Gerrard, because when he played further forward (2008-2010) he scored 20 a season consistently like Lampard did, and he played the Scholes role later in his career and got double figures assists consistently. Neither Scholes nor Lampard could play that box-to-box role Stevie played between 2003-2007, or the destroyer role he played 1999-2002, or the right back role he played in his earliest seasons and the Champions League final in Istanbul. On top of that, he won more individual awards than both of them, especially Scholes. Having said that: he's the one I watched the most, so of course I think that!
Lampards biggest flaw was scoring too many goals. Meant people couldnt stop chirping about anything except goals, as if he was just a striker playing in midfield. Pointless debate because everyone plays popularity contest instead of assessing objectively
england should've played a 4-3-3 in those days. "sacrificed" gerrard at the base as the def mid, lampard and scholes as pistons, front three of beckham on the right, owen in the middle, rooney on the left, then stick your back 4 in behind that. i think that's the only way you get them all in, in that era. carrick's and hargreaves coming on where necessary.
That's a horrendous system since Gerrard definitely don't have the displine to stay in CDM position he will definitely venture forward out position and definitely by pass the CM's in front of him with long balls. Lampard as a CM wouldn't work he doesn't have the mobility for that and quick enough feet, Lampard if playing has to be the ACM or SS like for his entire Chelsea career. Beckham as a wide attacking forward, why just why he doesn't need to go beyond any defenders to cross the ball anyway and he isn't the dribbler or type of striker and lacks the pace for that position.
Greatest does not mean best. Greatest means what did you win and were you an important part in winning? Scholes is faaaaar more decorated than both players combined People need to understand the difference between better and greater and apply context if needed. Having said this, scholes is also the best out of three just slightly.
There’s something people don’t want to admit Steve can do all but neither was he a specialist ball winner or cdm , he was still a box to box midfielder. But with Paul his the brain 🧠.
There’s something people don’t want to admit Steve can do all but neither was he a specialist ball winner or cdm , he was still a box to box midfielder. But with Paul his the brain 🧠. The one who controls the game is the best . Paul
It's pointless trying to separate the 3 all we're worldclass!!! I loved all 3, But if I had to pick one, the one I could rely on the most would be Stevie G!!! He was as hard as nails!!! A mixture of potency going forward but loved the dirty get stuck in side. It's rare now days to see a midfielder be that dominant in the tackle and press but have the ability to ruin a defence on a whim!!!! A true all rounder!!! Gerrard was Scholes and Keane In one player!!!
The fact that Scholes HIMSELF admitted Gerrard is better yet the other two backed themselves makes me think: 1. Gerrard 2. Lampard 3. Scholes #EndOfStory
As a Liverpool fan its easy to say Stevie was by far the best, but there is a bit of unconscious bias and it will be there with everyone based on who their favorite is ! At the end of the day like Scholes said they are all different players, especially Gerrard and Scholes ! From attacking perspective Gerrard was much better than Scholes as he could score goals, assist with precise defense cutting passes and free kicks and set pieces, while Scholes was better at controlling the midfield, better quality on the ball, better with tackling and ball retrieval and both equally good at pinning a pass ! ANd I dont think Lampard is that league at all, a great goal scorer, but as a midfielder no where near to Gerrard and Scholes!
"i couldnt do what he did no. he probably could of done what i did, im not sure, but no i definatley couldnt of done what he did for liverpool no" even paul scholes himself thinks gerrard was the best.
Most complete between the 3, and was more recognized by the legends than the other 2, and he's actually compared to them while he played almost all his career on a decent team and not a world class team like the other 2
As a Liverpool fan respect to Rooney even though he has was Man Utd. legend, he choose Gerrard. Other Man Utd. players biased like Rio, Neville, etc. Rooney explained it correctly. If Liverpool didn't have Gerrard I don't think we would have even one trophy in that era like Champions league in 2005. Scholes was a Good player in a Great team. Gerrard was the face of Liverpool and still remains forever because he brought glory days for a team which wasn't at the best of the era.
😂 It works both ways, to be fair. I think it's safe to say Carra can be a bit biased in some of his assessments. For what it's worth, I think they were all completely different players, with different qualities. No one could grab a game by the scruff of the neck like Gerrard, eg the screamer against Olympiakos in 2004. But no other English midfielder could control/dictate games like Scholes used to. Anyway, it's all opinions, I suppose... 👍
Unfair. They're different players with different qualities. Box to box- Gerrard is the best CM ever. Dictating the tempo- Scholes. Goal scoring number 10- Lampard
Scholes CM. Gerrard AM. Lampard 2nd Striker. All have different roles. Cannot being a comparison individually. Gerrard & lampard more attacking. Open to debate. Scholes not. Just like messi & iniesta. Xavi is out of comparison but importance for team structure & progress.
Vast majority outside england say scholes. He's in the xavi, iniesta, pirlo mould. Could have slotted right into that tiki taka barca side. Its a different level.
Kevin De Bruyne needs to be mentioned in this list. There different type of midfielders with all there own unique attributes. Lampard was better at scoring goals, Scholes was best at passing and Gerrard was the best leader. I think Gerrard was the more complete midfielder. You could play him RM, CM, CDM, LM and CAM and he would do a world class job for you. However I don’t think he was better then the other two in the CAM role back in there primes. So to be it’s a bit of an impossible question to answer. If your playing in the 4-4-2 era you would have someone say like Roy Keane or Patrick Vieira or Gary Speed or Paul Ince playing in that holding role to allow the others to go forward. Who would you play alongside them out of the three? I would go for Scholes.
It has to be said, they were about the same level. Nothing wrong with saying that. They were pretty equal. Lampard had the best shot and was really good on the ball, dribbling and passing and vision, was very clean and good with the ball. Could defend. Scholes was the most magical and technical, he was pretty much perfect technically. He was the best on the ball and best in possession and right spaces. Lamapard and scholars were pretty similar they were really good with the ball. In my opinion Gerard was less technical than them slightly, but more physical, and better in defense. In his prime a physical monster. Gerard was also fast as shit. Gerard also could play winger pretty well and dribble well from the wings which scholes and lampard couldn’t. But playing on the wings is different than in the middle. The wings have more space and is often dominated by players with speed. The middle is less space and need to be more technical and I think lampard and scholes were better in the middle in situations with small space/tight spaces. Overall this is how I would describe it. I would compare this comparison to this to understand how to judge these players. For example, Mohammed salad and Sadie mane in Liverpool were absolutely fantastic and were of a very similar level. Many people believe salah was better because he had better stats but this is not true. Mane was someone who did more than just attack and dribble/pass etc. mane was a player who was far superior to salah without the ball and would help the team tremendously with selfless running, amazing stamina and physical attributes, defensive workrate, set pieces both attacking and defending, and tackling and interceptions and of course the best in pressing. Salad did less of this but was more about technical dribbling, amazing goals and assists, great finishing, amazing stats. Overall, both contributed to the team in amazing ways. Now, how would one find out who is actually contributing more to the team OVERALL? Now that is the real question, I would argue Mane personally, of course. But I would understand anyone who says salah. It is virtually impossible to know for sure who is ACTUALLY helping the team more/who the better player is. Obviously is may appear at first glance that it is clearly salah. But I wouldn’t be so quick to overlook manes hard pressing and running off the ball mixed with good skills on the ball. Now, the only way to know FOR SURE would be to measure them in some kind of experiment in their primes which is impossible. You would have to put them both in the same team against same oppositions and then replace the opposite winger with equal players. So basically, when mane is playing, put a different winger than salah, on the other wing, then, put the same quality player on the opposite wing when salad is playing, so it’s fair. And one would have to be right footed when salad is playing, so he can play on the left, and one would have to be left footed when mane is playing, so he can play on the right. 😂
As a Scholes fan who prefers Scholes over any other midfielder but I have to admit that Gerrard was better but only because Scholes himself said that Gerrard was more of an athlete than him and that he wasent sure if he would have been able to do what Gerrard did in Liverpool with you could argue less help, so if my man Scholes said Gerrard was better than I believe him... 🤷
Scholes said it Best. He was part of a team! Scholes, I rate. The fact that he spoke about being part of a team tells me everything. Gerrard and Lampard understood this in a limited way. This is why their coaching career aint really successful and England played poorly during their era. Football is a team sport!
They are three very different players who play completely different roles. Lampard, a career 10 he operated in the final 3rd primarily and didnt operate box to box like an 8 might do. Gerrard he was an 8 the most obvious 8 their has ever been in the Premier League, he played in the CM going box to box he was an engine to drive attacks and get back to defend. He played a few seasons behind Torres in a 10 position with Macerano and Alonso meant Gerrard could play in final 3rd more like Lampard and less responsibility but for most Gerrard career he was an 8. Scholes played 1.5 season's as an 10 95/96 i think from memory and second half of 02/03, other than that Scholes was a 6 he was a CM who held the middle and dictated play, he would break into the box in first half career as a 4-4-2 system then as he got older and the game changed to more tactical mid-field control Scholes vacated his positioning less and his goal threat dropped but he was even better dictating and controlling games. Compairing these 3 is daft complete nonesense. Lampard is more compariable to players who actually played the same role as him albeit they did it differently some more creative some more to link of the 9 for goals, Toure,Bergkamp,De Bryne,Bruno etc. Gerrard has to compare with as 8 has distinguished in modern game, but Veira,Keane,Rooney with Everton and first 2 seasons with United,Robson, out side the prem guys like Seedorf. Scholes you could compare with a Pirlo,Xavi,Modric etc. They are different players but for me the one that was the best at what he did is Scholes he is the best the Prem ever had at what he did. Gerrard i think Keane and Veira did that role better, Gerrard got the goals and better highlights but was a liability the ball and sometimes on it. Gerrard was better those few seasons as a 10 behind Torres. Lampard i would have Rooney,Bergkamp,Toure maybe, Toure was lazy off the ball, Cantona, Zola all these guys i would take over Lampard for sure and De Bryne he is better in that position too.
Lampard was only that far advanced during the Makelele era. Aside from then, he would do a lot of defensive work, and start moves by taking the ball off the back 4. Lampard was the best. He was technically and physically as good as Scholes and Gerard. He had the best footballing brain too, he never made the wrong option. Scoring as many goals as he did was a bonus, he could’ve scored the same numbers as scholes and Gerard and would’ve still first name on the team sheet.
@@frankjaeger393 He only played at the tip of a diamond with Makelele though. Remember the Ramires goal vs Barcelona which Lampard assisted from deep.. that would’ve never have happened with Makelele. Sure Mikel was purely defensive, but he still didn’t give the freedom that Makelele gave him playing at the back of a diamond, and being arguably the best ever in that position. Mikel was decent but nowhere near of that calibre of midfielder. Plus he grew up as a more attacking midfielder, he definitely wasn’t not like expert defensive midfielder Makelele was.
Not too many picking Lamps, rightly. Stevie G at his best was amazing, strong, fast, fit, amazing shot, fantastic crossing and long shots, hard tackler. Physically Scholes had a better first touch and short game, and just edges long passing and shooting technique, but only just. Like Owen said really, Stevie just monsters Scholes on so many metrics and is only a little behind on some others. Really I'd say only first touch was a long way better for scholes, first touch in midfield being key though. But this ignores thought, team work, positioning, timing, vision, control, all aspects that Scholes monsters Gerrard over. Teams worked Gerrard out defensively, never try to run past him, just pass the ball and he'll be constantly out of position. Gerrard would smash first time balls through to the forward, and immediately give the ball away. This is why Pep is picking scholes.
majority of people who say gerrard are either scouse or are linked with them in some way... when you take away petty emotions and agendas, scholes was the better player
England should have use 442 diamond. Base of diamond with either Butt, Carrick or Hargreaves, Paul and Stevie in the middle and Lamps at the tips. Striker could go with Owen and Rooney… but England want their darling Beckham. If that’s in the case then go with 4-5-1 base two Carrick and Scholes, LMF Stevie G, Lamp in the middle and Beck on the right. striker use Rooney. They could have win something. England is bless with one of the best CB options and Best LB during at Era. RB was their weakest link. Gary and Beck combo on the right could do massive damage. Thought, Gary is top player he is not top 3 RB during that era!
Maybe unpopular opinion but these three are all similar yet very different players and comparing them doesn't really make sense. Scholes is the best at controlling the entire game from deeper, Gerrard is a number 8 personified basically everywhere on the pitch and can score and defend, Lampard is more like a number 10 and is lethal around the box. As a United fan all three are fantastic players and we unfortunately don't see the like of them anymore these days. Kroos and Modric are the last two that come to mind similar to them.
No, because Pep overvalues "Spanish" qualities like passing and technique. You see that mindset in Xavi, who thinks tackling is an unnecessary quality in a midfielder as you're supposed to control the game through possession. Pep has also proved he can only work with technical players, hence why he shipped out Joe Hart and prefers midfielders in defence. He disregards "English" qualities like physicality (strength, speed, aerial power, tackling) of which Scholes is the worst of the three due to his asthma.
@@hughtube5154Thank you, people will think that because he succeeded as a manager, everything would be the absolute truth when there are vast examples of him showing favoritism to certain players because their qualities are correlated with his football philosophy
Lampard most goals and highest Balon dor finish out of the three. More assists, defensive interceptions and tackles than Gerrard. Its not really a debate if you're objective, Frank is clearly ahead of both.
Who votes in ballon dor? Exactly might as well be carte dor! Gerrard record prem pfa teams of season so has vote of majority of footballers they'd know!
Lampard was such an unreal goalscorer that people forget what a genius, world class playmaker and technical master he was. I mean, he is a literal genius. It's quite sad really. Long range goals, runs and positioning, anticipation, controlling the game (as he actually played in deeper positions for most of his career and facilitated build up before running late), progressive passes, intricate final third play, set pieces, touch, left foot ability, trivela and no look passes, work rate, professionalism and leading by example. And the defending... he averaged more interceptions and tackles with a higher success rate than most of the most highly rated defenders and defensive midfielders today have managed in their best seasons. And he did all that without the freakish power of Gerrard or the diminutive frame and balance of Scholes.
You almost brought tears to my eyes, mate. You couldn't have put it any better. Lamps for me is the best of the 3. For the reasons you've put down as well as the fact that when he left the EPL, he was 3rd in EPL all-time goalscoring list and 2nd in all-time assist list.
@@ibrahim-mahimbokivugo4870 They don't give Lampard any credit for anything else than goals, it's crazy. His IQ and passing skills were great. I don't recall Gerrard or Scholes giving trouble to Barca teams like Lampard did, except Scholes's goal in 08 but even he admitted they couldn't take the ball out of their feet.
Well said mate
Gerrard could make an average team great by sheer force of will. He did it so many times as a leader to inspire his fellow players. He had NO weaknesses and could do EVERYTHING. Scholes and Lampard couldn't do those things. If you want opinions on Gerrard then ask Zidane, Henry, Totti, Rooney, Torres, Suarez, Pele, Maldini...I could go on.
Lampard for the goals.
Scholes for the game-intelligence.
Gerrard for the work.
England managers were idiots for not building on this, should have dropped the 4-4-2 and just played a 4-5-1 with Scholes in the Pirlo role, Gerrard box to box and Lampard supporting whoever is the lone striker- Rooney(post 2004)/Owen (98-2002); Beckham was never a proper winger anyways more of a Right sided Midfielder so you got 4 mids to compensate for the lack of an out n out DM. Ashley Cole was an attacking fullback for those times n can also be allowed to support as an auxiliary winger even if you want to drop Joe Cole n play another ST or a DM
Gerrard for the 'work' 😆
@@mattinterweb work as in everything the other two can do + speed, strengh, defense, leadership and much more
Gerrard can do it all though 😂
Almost the perfect answer.
Lampard was a goal scoring freak, Scholes could have played in the best Barcelona team ever in central midfield, but Gerrard had everything. Most complete midfielder I've ever seen and able to win a game on his own.
Prime Scholes fit to Inter Milan, if he plays 4 years for this Italian club, he will get 6 or 7 thropies at least.
Gerard lookes the nicest, but he has choked when it mattered most.
@24xv555 Choked?! Go watch Champions League 2005 & Fa cup finals vs Milan & WestHam respectively & Champions league game vs Olympiakos! Literally opposite of choking.
@@24xv555 Literally one of only two players in history to have an FA Cup final named him. Because he single-handedly won it with two insane goals.
@@24xv555 lol. Like the Champions league final and fa cup finals?
It's an opinion at the end of the day.
There's no scientific formula to determine who was best. It's subjective and you have to take into consideration the fact that some of these ex-players have a degree of bias. Everyone is entitled to their say.
For me it's Scholes, but as I say, it's just an opinion.
Anybody in their 30s or older that have followed Man Utd would agree to this. But let me real. People have always appreciated Scholes, but once Xavi showed his admiration for him, the whole world changed their view on Scholes. It’s like EVERYBODY’s opinion on Scholes went from good player to worldclass OVERNIGHT. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
Yep - it's become shorthand for 'I know about football'
Agree. Ive watched them at their peak and scholes was never in the discussion with steve and frank.
The English preferred Gerrard and Frank because they played in the EPL style of the time. Paul played more like he was from the continent...Xavi was right, he didn't change minds as much as he made it ok to hold that opinion.
I thought Gerrard was over-hyped.
Zidane also rated Scholes very highly
He's world class
If i want someone to run a midfield its scholes...if i want someone for more goals its lampard.. If i want someone to build a team around him its gerrard...the big difference are the teams they played and scholes and lambard played in some serious serious teams all around.. Gerrard had only 2-3 serious players with him and that was at times...
Scholes spent the majority of his career in a midfield 2, with Keane or Butt when 4-4-2 was the order of the day. Gerrard and Lampard thrived in midfield trios in 4-3-3s. So Scholes' job was tougher and he was most complete.
Get your point,but it's not like Scholes was playing in a 4-4-2 against a 4-3-3, when mou started using 4-3-3 in the epl, Fergie also switched to a 4-3-3 a season after.Gerrard more complete imo
But couldn't tackle or run past people and wasn't an athlete. Ok.
More complete than Gerrard? Best passer of a ball since Hoddle, but he was an asthmatic who couldn't tackle so how does that make him more complete than Gerrard who could literally do everything?
scholes himself said gerrard is more complete. he also said gerrard could have done what he did at utd but he couldn't have done what gerrard did at liverpool.
@@gustavbrinkel5489Gerrard can do both. End of contest
I don't think Ferguson could've done what he did without Scholes. It showed when he brought him out of retirement and United won the league again.
He just has a style in midfield that opens space, he's quick with his passing.
The majority of their England teammates picked Gerrard with Scholes a close 2nd
The majority of the England teammates were all ex liverpool/ Gerrards mates. You did get a couple of neatrals saying picking gerrard over schols but for the most part I think scholes is considered better
Even Wayne said Stevie was the best, and that if scholes was in those Liverpool teams, he would not be able to do what Stevie did.
Todays crop are nowhere near the level of these boys. What an era, massive respect to all three. YNWA
Scholes is the most decorated player of these three on a club level. Scholes didn't need to go to US to keep playing football. He was top until the very last match.
I’m a Chelsea fan gerrard all day long for me he was a beast
People keep saying Lampard is just goals. He probably has more assists than Scholes and Gerrard combined on top of the goals.
His passing is mad underrated.
Check the stats he doesn’t
@@trappz_io2620check the stats, he does!!! Passing too
In terms of impact on the overall game he’s nothing compared to the other two. Go watch the 2010 World Cup Lampard was useless.
@@TS-xf3fweveryone was useless in 2010 😂 To say he’s “nothing” compared to the other two is outrageous.
Scholes!
Gerard!
Scholes
Gerard!
@@gustavbrinkel5489 slippy g never
Gerrard had everything as a player. The most complete of the three and carried teams, particularly Liverpool.
Steven Gerrard was the best, he has everything
@@miguelcarvalho3309 Apart from a league championship medal...
@@chriscolton6329 could have gone to ManUnited, Chelsea, Real, Inter...
@@MeddlLoide1510 But he didn't! I still think he was a great player, though. At the end of the day, it's all opinions, isn't it? 👍
@@chriscolton6329 yes he didnt cause he was the best
@@MeddlLoide1510 😂
All 3 were awesome...simple as that!
this is a dumb debate. because scholes plays a different position as the other 2. he's literally a CM who controls and dictates play.
It isnt its much like how maradonna and pele got compared or messi and ronaldo. You just give why you feel who is better
No that’s a lie LMAO. He was an offensive centre-mid for a majority of his career until he started ageing and lost his pace. Same as Gerrard and Lampard who became a deep lying playmaker at the end of their careers.
Next time just tell us you're a kid who didn't get to watch Scholes....
Scholes played as an attacking midfieldler for the first decade of his career. He only really moved into a deeper role in the latter part of his career (2006 and onwards).
@@JensKofmann27 nope, he used to play as a second striker. became a CM soon after that. Gerrard and Lampard became CMs when they were past their primes. Scholes' prime was as a CM.
@@brianduru3753 nope, he used to play as a second striker. became a CM soon after that. Gerrard and Lampard became CMs when they were past their primes. Scholes' prime was as a CM. clearly you aren't very bright. how old are you? i'm definitely older than you kid.
Pep & Henry picked Scholes and for some reason that weighs more than anyone else. I'm sorry, this is coming from an American neutral.
Better listen to scholesy himself mate
Sir Alex also picked Scholes, even had Scholes as the key player for three rebuilds.
@@elijahmuwanguzi789 He is humble
And others of equal stature didn't.
Mourinho and Ferguson tried to sign Gerrard when Lampard and Scholes were at their respective clubs. That's all you need to know.
Pirlo said" Scholes is technically one of the best I've seen. Not just the best English man but simply one of the best."
Xavi said " He's the best central midfielder I've seen in the last 15 20 years."
End of conversation.
It’s a matter of opinion. Just because two legends prefer Scholes to the other two it doesn’t stop the debate.
@CTOTHER completely true mate. The point I was trying to make though was that they are far more qualified than anyone on here to have an opinion. Which has to be heard.
@@162tsb7 I hear that bro. I guess as well though some pros would say that Gerrard or lamps is better… 🤷♂️
@@CTOTHERbetter at scoring. notice how the good professional players say gerrard and lampard. but the best? thiery henry, pirlo, xavi, pep (coach) all say scholes. make no mistake, scoring, big game impact are all important, but their passing accuracy is not equal to game intelligence and vision, which the absolute legends can see the value of.
in fact, england is notorious for picking physicality, power and pace over technique and intelligence, hence all these english players like carragher mentioning gerrard's pace, lampard's shooting but vision can't be measured unfortunately, such as xavi's or pirlo's
For me as a fan of AC Milan, it has to be Steven Gerrard. The box to box capability of defending and attacking and controlling the midfield, he has the lung power, the pass accuracy, the industry, the precision passing and crossing, incredible header of the ball and amazing shot power that it looks like the ball is rifled into the net.
I mean if you look at modern footballers shooting, the ball has some trajectory where to lifts and then projects downwards or sideways because the velocity is not that fast. But if you look at Steven Gerrard’s shooting. He has those low grounder balls that goes straight like a dart at high speed into the net. That means the velocity is higher than most footballers can achieve in a shot.
For me that is absolutely outstanding power he projects onto the ball and it doesn’t dip, it just rifles in like a rocket. Every team in 2005 would place him as CM or AM in their first eleven any day of the week.
The worse pundits said Gerrard and the better ones said Scholes. Says it all
Genetic fallacy
Scholes said too 😂
Rio the better pundit? A cabbage has more insight 😂
Shooting, passing, play making, one can make an argument for all 3. But add defending, pace, and critical time goal scoring ability, and Stevie G gets the nod in my opinion.
Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Busquetts and Puyol all drew straws to get Scholes' shirt (Iniesta won). Andre Pirlo, Zinadine Zidane, Edgar Davids, Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Luis Figo, Pep Guardiola, George Best; they all rated Scholes as one of the all time greats (some of them even said the greatest).
Why don't you admit that Gerrard had no weaknesses and could do everything on the pitch? If you want opinions then many, many great players have hailed Gerrard.
lol. Imagine having so many great players rate Scholes.
And Scholes himself rates Gerard lol
I don’t see the argument there
Messi called Gerrard England's greatest ever player. Zidane called him the best in the world between 06 and 08. I'm sure plenty have said similar about Lampard. Doesn't really prove much, other than it's all just opinions.
Stevie G no.1
My takeaway from this is, if you spent more time playing with or watching one over the other, you think that person's the better player.
I'm picking Gerrard, because when he played further forward (2008-2010) he scored 20 a season consistently like Lampard did, and he played the Scholes role later in his career and got double figures assists consistently. Neither Scholes nor Lampard could play that box-to-box role Stevie played between 2003-2007, or the destroyer role he played 1999-2002, or the right back role he played in his earliest seasons and the Champions League final in Istanbul. On top of that, he won more individual awards than both of them, especially Scholes.
Having said that: he's the one I watched the most, so of course I think that!
Lampards biggest flaw was scoring too many goals. Meant people couldnt stop chirping about anything except goals, as if he was just a striker playing in midfield.
Pointless debate because everyone plays popularity contest instead of assessing objectively
I love the fact that Scholes doesn’t say himself almost as if he doesn’t care why would he just look at the trophies he won
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but, seriously, there are some shocking takes on here... FFS 😂
Jamie’s ball knowledge makes me want to throw up
Ha😂
The most important thing in football is to win the game and goals win u the games... So Frank Lampard all the way
Depends on how you set up your team, Basically, who's going to be better
Lampard pin❤ plzz
When the physical leaves you who won/ still affect a game…physicality is nice and great but age negates that for most faster
Pep’s favourite ❤️ huge compliment
england should've played a 4-3-3 in those days. "sacrificed" gerrard at the base as the def mid, lampard and scholes as pistons, front three of beckham on the right, owen in the middle, rooney on the left, then stick your back 4 in behind that. i think that's the only way you get them all in, in that era. carrick's and hargreaves coming on where necessary.
That's a horrendous system since Gerrard definitely don't have the displine to stay in CDM position he will definitely venture forward out position and definitely by pass the CM's in front of him with long balls.
Lampard as a CM wouldn't work he doesn't have the mobility for that and quick enough feet, Lampard if playing has to be the ACM or SS like for his entire Chelsea career.
Beckham as a wide attacking forward, why just why he doesn't need to go beyond any defenders to cross the ball anyway and he isn't the dribbler or type of striker and lacks the pace for that position.
Scholes at the base, Gerrard and Lampard as box to box; front three: Beckham, Joe Cole and Rooney centrally
Viera 💯
Greatest does not mean best. Greatest means what did you win and were you an important part in winning?
Scholes is faaaaar more decorated than both players combined
People need to understand the difference between better and greater and apply context if needed. Having said this, scholes is also the best out of three just slightly.
Lamps 🐐
There’s something people don’t want to admit Steve can do all but neither was he a specialist ball winner or cdm , he was still a box to box midfielder. But with Paul his the brain 🧠.
If you talk about a midfielder about his goalscoring, he is already ahead of all. Frank the goat.
CAM lampard
CM Scoles
CDM Gerrard
Like this you can win on midfield
Lampard 🐐
Gerraaaaaaaaaaaaaarrdddd !!!!!! Oh you beauty !
Imagine a midfield with this 3...
There’s something people don’t want to admit Steve can do all but neither was he a specialist ball winner or cdm , he was still a box to box midfielder. But with Paul his the brain 🧠. The one who controls the game is the best . Paul
Somehow people adore Gerrard just because he played in worse team and was more main character than Lamps and Scholes were in their teams...
It's pointless trying to separate the 3 all we're worldclass!!! I loved all 3, But if I had to pick one, the one I could rely on the most would be Stevie G!!! He was as hard as nails!!! A mixture of potency going forward but loved the dirty get stuck in side. It's rare now days to see a midfielder be that dominant in the tackle and press but have the ability to ruin a defence on a whim!!!! A true all rounder!!! Gerrard was Scholes and Keane In one player!!!
It’s actually silly i cba
“Captain gerrard”
The fact that Scholes HIMSELF admitted Gerrard is better yet the other two backed themselves makes me think:
1. Gerrard
2. Lampard
3. Scholes
#EndOfStory
Pirlo
Xavi
Kaka
Zidane
Deco
Totti
Essien
Ballack
Toure
De Bruyne
Modric
Seedorf
Rodri
Alonso
Sneijder
Vieria
World class midfielders this century
Without a doubt… Lampard 🙂 I am a chealsea fan.
Scholes and Gerrard together.
Lampard quite a bit behind.
Greatest would be Scholes. Best would be Gerrard.
Gerrard, Scholes Lampard. In that order imo.
As a utd fan, I’d say scholes but lampard is underrated!
Lampard for me
As a Liverpool fan its easy to say Stevie was by far the best, but there is a bit of unconscious bias and it will be there with everyone based on who their favorite is ! At the end of the day like Scholes said they are all different players, especially Gerrard and Scholes ! From attacking perspective Gerrard was much better than Scholes as he could score goals, assist with precise defense cutting passes and free kicks and set pieces, while Scholes was better at controlling the midfield, better quality on the ball, better with tackling and ball retrieval and both equally good at pinning a pass ! ANd I dont think Lampard is that league at all, a great goal scorer, but as a midfielder no where near to Gerrard and Scholes!
"i couldnt do what he did no. he probably could of done what i did, im not sure, but no i definatley couldnt of done what he did for liverpool no"
even paul scholes himself thinks gerrard was the best.
It has to be steve G
Why?
Most complete between the 3, and was more recognized by the legends than the other 2, and he's actually compared to them while he played almost all his career on a decent team and not a world class team like the other 2
Why can’t we just enjoy each of them as being good footballers, what is the need to debate? #boredom
As a Liverpool fan respect to Rooney even though he has was Man Utd. legend, he choose Gerrard. Other Man Utd. players biased like Rio, Neville, etc. Rooney explained it correctly. If Liverpool didn't have Gerrard I don't think we would have even one trophy in that era like Champions league in 2005. Scholes was a Good player in a Great team. Gerrard was the face of Liverpool and still remains forever because he brought glory days for a team which wasn't at the best of the era.
😂 It works both ways, to be fair. I think it's safe to say Carra can be a bit biased in some of his assessments. For what it's worth, I think they were all completely different players, with different qualities. No one could grab a game by the scruff of the neck like Gerrard, eg the screamer against Olympiakos in 2004. But no other English midfielder could control/dictate games like Scholes used to. Anyway, it's all opinions, I suppose... 👍
@@chriscolton6329who was listening to Carra anyway lmao. The fact that Rooney and Scholes himself chose Gerrard really ends the debate.
Not even close, Gerrard by far!!
Listen to the people with no bias... Scholes clears as a City fan
Gerrard
😂😂😂 this doesn’t answer anyhting
Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard. No other order is valid
Xavi.
Oh you meant English... Sir Bobby Charlton.
They from England
Xavi - Iniesta from Spain
And....Zidane the king above all.
Zidane was CAM can't argue Zidane above Xavi. Doubt it
Keane & Vieira are best CM players of EPL.
Unfair. They're different players with different qualities. Box to box- Gerrard is the best CM ever. Dictating the tempo- Scholes. Goal scoring number 10- Lampard
True, respect to all 3. They are different players.
Nah as a 10 it’s still Gerrard
Scholes CM. Gerrard AM. Lampard 2nd Striker. All have different roles. Cannot being a comparison individually. Gerrard & lampard more attacking. Open to debate. Scholes not. Just like messi & iniesta. Xavi is out of comparison but importance for team structure & progress.
Vast majority outside england say scholes. He's in the xavi, iniesta, pirlo mould. Could have slotted right into that tiki taka barca side. Its a different level.
This is true he was that same style
Gerrard!
For me it's Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes
Scholes was like iniesta xavi. Now if you say they were better than lamp and Gerr, then yes Paul is better.
Kevin De Bruyne needs to be mentioned in this list. There different type of midfielders with all there own unique attributes. Lampard was better at scoring goals, Scholes was best at passing and Gerrard was the best leader. I think Gerrard was the more complete midfielder. You could play him RM, CM, CDM, LM and CAM and he would do a world class job for you. However I don’t think he was better then the other two in the CAM role back in there primes. So to be it’s a bit of an impossible question to answer. If your playing in the 4-4-2 era you would have someone say like Roy Keane or Patrick Vieira or Gary Speed or Paul Ince playing in that holding role to allow the others to go forward. Who would you play alongside them out of the three? I would go for Scholes.
Gerrard. No other opinion
It has to be said, they were about the same level. Nothing wrong with saying that. They were pretty equal. Lampard had the best shot and was really good on the ball, dribbling and passing and vision, was very clean and good with the ball. Could defend. Scholes was the most magical and technical, he was pretty much perfect technically. He was the best on the ball and best in possession and right spaces. Lamapard and scholars were pretty similar they were really good with the ball. In my opinion Gerard was less technical than them slightly, but more physical, and better in defense. In his prime a physical monster. Gerard was also fast as shit. Gerard also could play winger pretty well and dribble well from the wings which scholes and lampard couldn’t. But playing on the wings is different than in the middle. The wings have more space and is often dominated by players with speed. The middle is less space and need to be more technical and I think lampard and scholes were better in the middle in situations with small space/tight spaces.
Overall this is how I would describe it. I would compare this comparison to this to understand how to judge these players. For example, Mohammed salad and Sadie mane in Liverpool were absolutely fantastic and were of a very similar level. Many people believe salah was better because he had better stats but this is not true. Mane was someone who did more than just attack and dribble/pass etc. mane was a player who was far superior to salah without the ball and would help the team tremendously with selfless running, amazing stamina and physical attributes, defensive workrate, set pieces both attacking and defending, and tackling and interceptions and of course the best in pressing. Salad did less of this but was more about technical dribbling, amazing goals and assists, great finishing, amazing stats. Overall, both contributed to the team in amazing ways. Now, how would one find out who is actually contributing more to the team OVERALL? Now that is the real question, I would argue Mane personally, of course. But I would understand anyone who says salah. It is virtually impossible to know for sure who is ACTUALLY helping the team more/who the better player is. Obviously is may appear at first glance that it is clearly salah. But I wouldn’t be so quick to overlook manes hard pressing and running off the ball mixed with good skills on the ball. Now, the only way to know FOR SURE would be to measure them in some kind of experiment in their primes which is impossible. You would have to put them both in the same team against same oppositions and then replace the opposite winger with equal players. So basically, when mane is playing, put a different winger than salah, on the other wing, then, put the same quality player on the opposite wing when salad is playing, so it’s fair. And one would have to be right footed when salad is playing, so he can play on the left, and one would have to be left footed when mane is playing, so he can play on the right. 😂
Gerrard by far, Lampard and Scholes is pretty close
As a Scholes fan who prefers Scholes over any other midfielder but I have to admit that Gerrard was better but only because Scholes himself said that Gerrard was more of an athlete than him and that he wasent sure if he would have been able to do what Gerrard did in Liverpool with you could argue less help, so if my man Scholes said Gerrard was better than I believe him... 🤷
Scholes said it Best. He was part of a team! Scholes, I rate. The fact that he spoke about being part of a team tells me everything. Gerrard and Lampard understood this in a limited way. This is why their coaching career aint really successful and England played poorly during their era. Football is a team sport!
Pointless debate. Scholes was the best of the three by a long way.
Lampard the best
They are three very different players who play completely different roles.
Lampard, a career 10 he operated in the final 3rd primarily and didnt operate box to box like an 8 might do.
Gerrard he was an 8 the most obvious 8 their has ever been in the Premier League, he played in the CM going box to box he was an engine to drive attacks and get back to defend. He played a few seasons behind Torres in a 10 position with Macerano and Alonso meant Gerrard could play in final 3rd more like Lampard and less responsibility but for most Gerrard career he was an 8.
Scholes played 1.5 season's as an 10 95/96 i think from memory and second half of 02/03, other than that Scholes was a 6 he was a CM who held the middle and dictated play, he would break into the box in first half career as a 4-4-2 system then as he got older and the game changed to more tactical mid-field control Scholes vacated his positioning less and his goal threat dropped but he was even better dictating and controlling games.
Compairing these 3 is daft complete nonesense.
Lampard is more compariable to players who actually played the same role as him albeit they did it differently some more creative some more to link of the 9 for goals, Toure,Bergkamp,De Bryne,Bruno etc.
Gerrard has to compare with as 8 has distinguished in modern game, but Veira,Keane,Rooney with Everton and first 2 seasons with United,Robson, out side the prem guys like Seedorf.
Scholes you could compare with a Pirlo,Xavi,Modric etc.
They are different players but for me the one that was the best at what he did is Scholes he is the best the Prem ever had at what he did.
Gerrard i think Keane and Veira did that role better, Gerrard got the goals and better highlights but was a liability the ball and sometimes on it. Gerrard was better those few seasons as a 10 behind Torres.
Lampard i would have Rooney,Bergkamp,Toure maybe, Toure was lazy off the ball, Cantona, Zola all these guys i would take over Lampard for sure and De Bryne he is better in that position too.
Lampard was only that far advanced during the Makelele era. Aside from then, he would do a lot of defensive work, and start moves by taking the ball off the back 4. Lampard was the best. He was technically and physically as good as Scholes and Gerard. He had the best footballing brain too, he never made the wrong option. Scoring as many goals as he did was a bonus, he could’ve scored the same numbers as scholes and Gerard and would’ve still first name on the team sheet.
@@timwhitmore7 No that's not true I watched his whole career always had a Ramirez, Mikel etc in that role.
Lampard has more tackles and defensive interceptions than Gerrard
@@frankjaeger393 He only played at the tip of a diamond with Makelele though. Remember the Ramires goal vs Barcelona which Lampard assisted from deep.. that would’ve never have happened with Makelele. Sure Mikel was purely defensive, but he still didn’t give the freedom that Makelele gave him playing at the back of a diamond, and being arguably the best ever in that position. Mikel was decent but nowhere near of that calibre of midfielder. Plus he grew up as a more attacking midfielder, he definitely wasn’t not like expert defensive midfielder Makelele was.
@@timwhitmore7 No he wasn't but Lampard was still a 10 at tip of the diamond like you said.
Not too many picking Lamps, rightly. Stevie G at his best was amazing, strong, fast, fit, amazing shot, fantastic crossing and long shots, hard tackler. Physically Scholes had a better first touch and short game, and just edges long passing and shooting technique, but only just. Like Owen said really, Stevie just monsters Scholes on so many metrics and is only a little behind on some others. Really I'd say only first touch was a long way better for scholes, first touch in midfield being key though. But this ignores thought, team work, positioning, timing, vision, control, all aspects that Scholes monsters Gerrard over. Teams worked Gerrard out defensively, never try to run past him, just pass the ball and he'll be constantly out of position. Gerrard would smash first time balls through to the forward, and immediately give the ball away. This is why Pep is picking scholes.
Man yah make it look like Scholes look like he wasn't the top scoring midfielder till lampard broke it cuz him take pens lool Scholes
Lampard el mejor 1000%
Robert Pires
Zidane & Pirlo are next level compare to those brits
majority of people who say gerrard are either scouse or are linked with them in some way... when you take away petty emotions and agendas, scholes was the better player
Isnt it enough for Scholessy himself to say Gerrard was better
Thats scholes personality to reject the spotlight@@filipaxmer4286
@@filipaxmer4286in all fairness that’s not a good metric, the type of person scholesy was would never say himself
@@ryan_lmao exactly
@@filipaxmer4286 isn't it enough that zidane, henry, xavi, pep etc etc etc said that scholes was the best?
English fans may pick Gerrard. Europen fans Scholes. Football legends pick scholes in a landslide
England should have use 442 diamond. Base of diamond with either Butt, Carrick or Hargreaves, Paul and Stevie in the middle and Lamps at the tips. Striker could go with Owen and Rooney… but England want their darling Beckham. If that’s in the case then go with 4-5-1 base two Carrick and Scholes, LMF Stevie G, Lamp in the middle and Beck on the right. striker use Rooney. They could have win something. England is bless with one of the best CB options and Best LB during at Era. RB was their weakest link. Gary and Beck combo on the right could do massive damage. Thought, Gary is top player he is not top 3 RB during that era!
PAUL SCHOLES
STEVEN GERARD
Maybe unpopular opinion but these three are all similar yet very different players and comparing them doesn't really make sense. Scholes is the best at controlling the entire game from deeper, Gerrard is a number 8 personified basically everywhere on the pitch and can score and defend, Lampard is more like a number 10 and is lethal around the box. As a United fan all three are fantastic players and we unfortunately don't see the like of them anymore these days. Kroos and Modric are the last two that come to mind similar to them.
Debate is Gerrard or Scholes, Lampard is out
I go for Gerrard, it is the best in nowadays teams
Kdb no 1
If Pep Says Scholes was the Best then THE ARGUMENT ENDS DON'T YOU THINK😂
No, because Pep overvalues "Spanish" qualities like passing and technique. You see that mindset in Xavi, who thinks tackling is an unnecessary quality in a midfielder as you're supposed to control the game through possession. Pep has also proved he can only work with technical players, hence why he shipped out Joe Hart and prefers midfielders in defence. He disregards "English" qualities like physicality (strength, speed, aerial power, tackling) of which Scholes is the worst of the three due to his asthma.
Scholes said Stevie
@@hughtube5154Thank you, people will think that because he succeeded as a manager, everything would be the absolute truth when there are vast examples of him showing favoritism to certain players because their qualities are correlated with his football philosophy
Lampard most goals and highest Balon dor finish out of the three. More assists, defensive interceptions and tackles than Gerrard. Its not really a debate if you're objective, Frank is clearly ahead of both.
Who votes in ballon dor? Exactly might as well be carte dor!
Gerrard record prem pfa teams of season so has vote of majority of footballers they'd know!
Vieira over all three.