Umm…unless they change the book A LOT…Dune Messiah will REALLY disappoint a lot of the people who really love this film…it is a very dark and talky movie, almost entirely set inside dark rooms
2:33 OMG, did the Monty Python guys read DUNE while writing the script for "Life of Brian"? 3:12 What could possibly go wrong? A manufactured chosen one on a desert planet always goes swimmingly. Just ask Anakin Skywalker!
It's not as overt in the book. In fact, i'm pretty sure they used Stilgar and Chani to portray the conflict on the screen that the book relegates to Pauls internal thoughts. There is one scene, after he has been in the desert with the Fremen, travelling to Sietch Tabr, where Paul is drifting into visions after a spice heavy meal (I just love that sentence) and he sees/calculates possible paths in the future with his slowly awakening prescience. He realizes in horror, that even if he died now, the jihad would only happen in his name as a martyr. He realizes that by that point, whatever he does, the seed of his myth as a messiah is already sown in fertile ground.
Paul doesn't believe he is the Messiah, he just doesn't see another way than to lean into it. I love how he starts speedrunning that shit, dragging everyone who was pushing him along now.
Actually, In Fremen tongue, the messiah is the Mahdi. It's just that there is a possibility that the Lisan al-Gaib/Kwizatz Haderach might be the Fremen's Mahdi because of the Bene Gesserit's manipulations.
Despite some changes and omissions, overall Villeneuve did a really good job adapting the first book with these two movies. It's clear he is a fan of the source material and he sticks pretty close to its themes.
I saw this in 2D and, between the seats shaking a lot and the insane cinematography, there were points where it felt like I was watching it in 3D. Messiah cannot come soon enough.
I think what you missed is Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach (can see the past AND the future). But he is not the Mahdi (saviour of the Fremen). The point of the book is that he has dual identities: his true identity (a powerful weapon created by the Bene Gesserit) and his fake one (Lisan Al Ghaib, a prophecy made up by the Bene Gesserit). So he's not buying into his own hype because the hype is real. The meaning of the hype is interpreted differently by outsiders vs Fremen.
The whole prophecy thing was bullshit made up by the Bene Gesserit, the "missionaria protectiva" plan. They implanted superstitions and legends centuries ago, and they have been manipulating the blood lines to create the chosen one. Paul isn't the chosen one, he was supposed to be a girl that was going to be married to a Harkonnen and their son was going to be the "kishash haderach" or something like that, but Lady Jessica disobeyed the orders and gave Leto a son. That kinda derailed the plans of the Bene Gesserit.
And Sean can tear apart the Razzies for nominating movies like Shazam, Ant-Man and Indiana Jones that he found halfway decent, as did I. This was an awful Razzie year.
@@coolnerdlll6053 and again, there were films that I believe deserved to be nominated far more, like Nefarious, a psychological thriller involving demonic possession directed by the writers of God's Not Dead Sound of Freedom, a movie that may have good intentions of spreading awareness of a serious issue, but fumbles badly by having a man who is already in more controversy than Johnathan Majors was be the focus character and played by a man who is fucking crazy and hasn't been acting since Mel Gibson's torture porn about Jesus Christ And Lady Ballers, basically Daily Wire finally saying "fuck it, our plans to try and appeal to mainstream audiences has failed, let's make a comedy only our idiot followers will see as hilarious even though we know we failed to get into Hollywood! "
@@coolnerdlll6053 Even by Razzie's standard's it was lame. Stallone and Megan Fox getting awards were pretty lazy-they seem to get nominations most years.
Frank Herbert certainly was not L. Ron Hubbard, thank God! I'm wondering if he would have enjoyed THIS version - apparently he actually went on record saying that he DID like the 1984 film, even complimenting that version's director David Lynch despite the fact that producer Dino De Laurentiis wrestled all control of that adaptation from Lynch once principal photography wrapped (from this and other meddlings Dino earned the nickname "Dino De Horrendous.") Here is Herbert's statement as quoted at full length in his introduction to his short story collection Eye a year after the Lynch version: "I enjoyed the film even as a cut and I told it as I saw it: What reached the screen is a visual feast that begins as Dune begins and you hear my dialogue all through it. [...] I have my quibbles about the film, of course. Paul was a man playing god, not a god who could make it rain. [...] It's my opinion that David's film of Dune will also be alive and well long after people have forgotten the potboilers that come out of corporate boardrooms. This is based partly on the reactions of everyone who worked on the film: They were sad to be parting when it was over and glad they had done it. The wrap party was a rare scene of happy nostalgia."
Getting Dune made at all was infamously quite torturous so I do wonder if some of it was Herbert being happy to see a film finally materialise. I'd think he'd like this version a lot more, particularly as Villeneuve has said he wanted to keep true to Herbert's message that Paul was playing God.
As someone who has never read the book but has seen Part One, can someone please clarify to me if there is any difference between the Muad'dib and the Quizat Haderach? (spelling?)
Muad'dib is a species of mouse on Arrakis. Paul adopts the name when he join the fremen. The other is the name for the messiah. Yes, I was confused as well, when I read the book.
Definitely deserves that win, I'm just questioning why Quantumania and Shazam 2 were nominated in that category when there were two films I saw last year that deserve it more
@erichfiedler1481 Quantumania wasn't nominated for Worst Picture. Shazam getting nominated is still bizarre. I haven't seen that many people actively hate it, if anyone.
@@coolnerdlll6053 I checked, and yeah, Quantumania didn't get Worst Picture nomination, my bad. I did see Meg 2 on there, while I could agreed it deserved the nomination, I still liked it for being cheesy in a classic monster movie way, like Showa Era Godzilla after the 1954 original
@@coolnerdlll6053 The only reason 'Shazam' got nominated was they clearly wanted a DC movie there but seemed to want to keep away from Flash and Aquaman [possibly due to the actor controversy meaning there 'done' targets] and Blue Beetle wouldn't get any publicity for them.
I agree with everything you said but I found the movie like one of those huge mirror polished sculptures you see from time to time stunning , impressive but cold and once you've seen it it is still shinny but there was no heat the one quotable line is from another movie to put it simply I've seen it don't need to see it again. If they do want to continue lets just say the later books are lets say weird including but not limited to a mind controlling little person, space dominatrix, worm gods and more clone murder than Star Wars
i want this movie to fail for no other reason that all the critics online love it, for now it made less than 500 millon and it seems like loosing steam so i might get to label it a bomb by the weekend
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
You beat me to it!🤣
" How shall we fuck off, my lord" is precisely what I shouted out at the theatre...
Dune Messiah is gonna be unbelievable if this is the direction we're going in 😉
Umm…unless they change the book A LOT…Dune Messiah will REALLY disappoint a lot of the people who really love this film…it is a very dark and talky movie, almost entirely set inside dark rooms
2:33 OMG, did the Monty Python guys read DUNE while writing the script for "Life of Brian"?
3:12 What could possibly go wrong? A manufactured chosen one on a desert planet always goes swimmingly. Just ask Anakin Skywalker!
It's not as overt in the book. In fact, i'm pretty sure they used Stilgar and Chani to portray the conflict on the screen that the book relegates to Pauls internal thoughts.
There is one scene, after he has been in the desert with the Fremen, travelling to Sietch Tabr, where Paul is drifting into visions after a spice heavy meal (I just love that sentence) and he sees/calculates possible paths in the future with his slowly awakening prescience. He realizes in horror, that even if he died now, the jihad would only happen in his name as a martyr. He realizes that by that point, whatever he does, the seed of his myth as a messiah is already sown in fertile ground.
Paul doesn't believe he is the Messiah, he just doesn't see another way than to lean into it. I love how he starts speedrunning that shit, dragging everyone who was pushing him along now.
It should be noted that Muad'dhib is not the messiah title. It's his warrior name.
Lisan al-ghaib is the messiah title.
Actually, In Fremen tongue, the messiah is the Mahdi.
It's just that there is a possibility that the Lisan al-Gaib/Kwizatz Haderach might be the Fremen's Mahdi because of the Bene Gesserit's manipulations.
Despite some changes and omissions, overall Villeneuve did a really good job adapting the first book with these two movies. It's clear he is a fan of the source material and he sticks pretty close to its themes.
Sir , you are awarded a gold star and a smiley stamp for your Life of Brian reference. Well done .
This has to be one of the best movies of the year so far! Well done, Dune!
EDIT: A Monty Python reference... made by Sean? The Devil, you say! 😂
I saw this in 2D and, between the seats shaking a lot and the insane cinematography, there were points where it felt like I was watching it in 3D. Messiah cannot come soon enough.
I think what you missed is Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach (can see the past AND the future). But he is not the Mahdi (saviour of the Fremen). The point of the book is that he has dual identities: his true identity (a powerful weapon created by the Bene Gesserit) and his fake one (Lisan Al Ghaib, a prophecy made up by the Bene Gesserit). So he's not buying into his own hype because the hype is real. The meaning of the hype is interpreted differently by outsiders vs Fremen.
I saw this movie on the IMAX screen the night it premiered, and I intend to watch it a few more times during it's theatrical run.
Havent been in cinemas for 4 years, and I went for this and it was for sure money well spent.
Whatever the claimed/official 'run times', both of these movies just FLEW by; a neat directorial/film-making trick, if you can do it! :O
Pacing is a fine art.
The whole prophecy thing was bullshit made up by the Bene Gesserit, the "missionaria protectiva" plan. They implanted superstitions and legends centuries ago, and they have been manipulating the blood lines to create the chosen one. Paul isn't the chosen one, he was supposed to be a girl that was going to be married to a Harkonnen and their son was going to be the "kishash haderach" or something like that, but Lady Jessica disobeyed the orders and gave Leto a son. That kinda derailed the plans of the Bene Gesserit.
FATHER, THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!
Easily my fav film of the year so far. To me, this is The Dark Knight to the first film's Batman Begins... A phenomenal sequel to a good first movie.
Ya'll ready for the next banger video? Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey won Worst Picture at the Razzies, so we finna pop off
Probably after he covers YOR: THE HUNTER FROM THE FUTURE
And Sean can tear apart the Razzies for nominating movies like Shazam, Ant-Man and Indiana Jones that he found halfway decent, as did I. This was an awful Razzie year.
@@coolnerdlll6053 and again, there were films that I believe deserved to be nominated far more, like Nefarious, a psychological thriller involving demonic possession directed by the writers of God's Not Dead
Sound of Freedom, a movie that may have good intentions of spreading awareness of a serious issue, but fumbles badly by having a man who is already in more controversy than Johnathan Majors was be the focus character and played by a man who is fucking crazy and hasn't been acting since Mel Gibson's torture porn about Jesus Christ
And Lady Ballers, basically Daily Wire finally saying "fuck it, our plans to try and appeal to mainstream audiences has failed, let's make a comedy only our idiot followers will see as hilarious even though we know we failed to get into Hollywood! "
@@coolnerdlll6053 Even by Razzie's standard's it was lame. Stallone and Megan Fox getting awards were pretty lazy-they seem to get nominations most years.
@jamesatkinsonja Megan Fox getting both Actress awards was even worse. I agree she can't act, but really?
I love dune part 2 it was amazing
I REALLY want to watch this movie on IMAX.
2:33 that sounds like something right out monty python.
“The Prophecy is made up … but it’s also true.”
-Vitruvius, The Lego Movie
Emmet says that.
I got some my family members to see this and they thought this was great
Watch The Beekeeper!
Frank Herbert certainly was not L. Ron Hubbard, thank God! I'm wondering if he would have enjoyed THIS version - apparently he actually went on record saying that he DID like the 1984 film, even complimenting that version's director David Lynch despite the fact that producer Dino De Laurentiis wrestled all control of that adaptation from Lynch once principal photography wrapped (from this and other meddlings Dino earned the nickname "Dino De Horrendous.") Here is Herbert's statement as quoted at full length in his introduction to his short story collection Eye a year after the Lynch version:
"I enjoyed the film even as a cut and I told it as I saw it: What reached the screen is a visual feast that begins as Dune begins and you hear my dialogue all through it. [...] I have my quibbles about the film, of course. Paul was a man playing god, not a god who could make it rain. [...] It's my opinion that David's film of Dune will also be alive and well long after people have forgotten the potboilers that come out of corporate boardrooms. This is based partly on the reactions of everyone who worked on the film: They were sad to be parting when it was over and glad they had done it. The wrap party was a rare scene of happy nostalgia."
Getting Dune made at all was infamously quite torturous so I do wonder if some of it was Herbert being happy to see a film finally materialise. I'd think he'd like this version a lot more, particularly as Villeneuve has said he wanted to keep true to Herbert's message that Paul was playing God.
Turning Fremenese, oh yes Paul's turning Fremenese, I really think so
The Winnie the Pooh wons this worst Picture so. Did you review this movie in near future?
As someone who has never read the book but has seen Part One, can someone please clarify to me if there is any difference between the Muad'dib and the Quizat Haderach? (spelling?)
Muad'dib is a species of mouse on Arrakis. Paul adopts the name when he join the fremen.
The other is the name for the messiah.
Yes, I was confused as well, when I read the book.
Can't wait for Winnie the Pooh horror flop now that it won best picture.
Definitely deserves that win, I'm just questioning why Quantumania and Shazam 2 were nominated in that category when there were two films I saw last year that deserve it more
@erichfiedler1481 Quantumania wasn't nominated for Worst Picture. Shazam getting nominated is still bizarre. I haven't seen that many people actively hate it, if anyone.
@@coolnerdlll6053 I checked, and yeah, Quantumania didn't get Worst Picture nomination, my bad.
I did see Meg 2 on there, while I could agreed it deserved the nomination, I still liked it for being cheesy in a classic monster movie way, like Showa Era Godzilla after the 1954 original
@@coolnerdlll6053 The only reason 'Shazam' got nominated was they clearly wanted a DC movie there but seemed to want to keep away from Flash and Aquaman [possibly due to the actor controversy meaning there 'done' targets] and Blue Beetle wouldn't get any publicity for them.
Hearing your review makes me wish I still had the patience to sit through movies.
I agree with everything you said but I found the movie like one of those huge mirror polished sculptures you see from time to time stunning , impressive but cold and once you've seen it it is still shinny but there was no heat the one quotable line is from another movie to put it simply I've seen it don't need to see it again.
If they do want to continue lets just say the later books are lets say weird including but not limited to a mind controlling little person, space dominatrix, worm gods and more clone murder than Star Wars
i want this movie to fail for no other reason that all the critics online love it, for now it made less than 500 millon and it seems like loosing steam so i might get to label it a bomb by the weekend
Sounds like some real excrement 🎉