METAL'S MICROGENRES | Lock Horns Redux - Episode 10
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Metal is constantly evolving and innovating, and part of metal fandom is creating genres to define these new sounds. Some of these micro-genres include ‘Charred Death’, ‘Necro Grind’, ’Cyber Metal’ and ‘Depressive Suicidal Black Metal’’ to name a few.
This week Sam welcomes guests Chris Bruni of Profound Lore Records and BangerTV's Blayne Smith for an episode on the emerging Micro Genres of Metal.
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Blayne was particularly on fire on this episode. Or at least he defined things in a way that closely reflects my own outlook, which means he must be right, yes?
Logic checks out.
He is one of my the smartest people on UA-cam.
that's how truth works. Lol
Thy Catafalque should be mentioned somewhere about avant-garde metal IMO. Its roots were also in the BM but since then it had elements of such a wide variety of genres (folk, electronic music, prog, jazz, doom to name a few).
Agreed. I love their work.
Amazing band! If you're into Thy, also checkout Katharos XIII and White Ward.
Blayne's containment to the mention of deathspell omega... priceless
I love Lock Horns and the redux is very very welcome, especially in COVID lockdown! But the one thing I would suggest as an improvement for next season is your seating configuration! Popular talk shows as I'm sure you know sit the host off to one side and the guests on the other, which makes it easier to talk to and include everyone in the conversation without giving the host whiplash (pun intended!). I think if Sam wasn't already a seasoned metalhead he'd need a neckbrace in future lol. But other than that I think everything is perfect, especially content wise, keep it up! \m/
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks for watching Ryan!!!
@@BangerTV no, thank YOU for making such awesome videos!
Nice observation
I’m not a fan of djent but I’d say it’s a full fledged genre
I'd have to agree
Djent is not a genre but a type of guitar sound
Chris Bruni is a God... like 90% of all the awesome metal music released in the past 20 years got its start on Profound Lore. It's awesome to see his label find more success.
Still can't believe how Ulcerate is getting zero attention... Their effort crossing frontiers makes them a genre itself
Agreed. Post metal/Avant garde is on the rise as well.
@@freq9939 they are dissonant death metal, period. Not very Avant-garde metal since Gorguts did it first.
Check Karmacypher from Hong Kong, they are way better version of Ulcerate
@@mentevanguardista908 nah...you joking right .....listen to of fracture and failure or everything is fire....no even close bro ...hahhaha
@@mentevanguardista908 Dissonant Progressive Death Metal I'd say, hence a micro-genre.
Best episode so far. My question is though: at what point does a microgenre become a sub genre? Is it based on the number of bands playing in the styles, how long it's been around, how big the microgenre has gotten within the wider world of metal?
I think influence would have to be key factor for defining genres. Which is difficult to measure with mircogenre for obvious reasons. It’s hard to predict if a certain group of bands within a microgenre will be cited as influences for bands 10 years down the road.
That is how I perceive it. I always considered a micro genre as something that are basically one-offs, few bands at best but never grow anything bigger. This is why I was against calling DSBM a micro genre because it has beem around pretty much as long as Black Metal itself and has many, many bands.
Great question and GREAT answers
I think a microgenre is like when your genre is so laser focused on a specific element. Like pornogrind, or cybergrind, or even like war metal. It may be a bit over simplified, but I think Goniloc's video on War Metal kind of explains that, or in how Finn McKenty mentioned being confused about D-Beat, because it's essentially a genre of bands trying their best to emulate Discharge the best.
Depressive/suicidal black metal, slam, drone-doom and powerviolence seem like the most obvious inclusions not to be explored in this episode (which was, by the way, absolutely exceptional), although the first was at least mentioned. These styles are extremely niche for certain, and are often adjacent to other fairly specific styles within their broader genres and subgenres, but they are also incredibly distinctive and fairly diverse.
Powerviolence is hardcore punk
Yeah PV is punk, although fairly influential to certain metal/hardcore crossover genres
Locohappy Powerviolence is relevant enough to early deathcore and mathcore and modern sludge, crust, grindcore and deathgrind to be inextricable from the metal conversation. Also, despite the insistence of certain PV acts that they had no connection to metal, nosireebob, particularly on the fastcore side of things, those weird sudden tempo changes and slower breakdowns have a lot more in common with Autopsy, Melvins or Saint Vitus than Minor Threat or DRI. Which is not to say it isn't punk in spirit and culture, but the sound definitely took cues from metal in a big way, *especially* Man is the Bastard.
ConvincingPeople,Could Ethnic Metal be a Microgenre?
Bands that are so proud of their ethnicity that they become the Advertisements for their different heritages
@@KiraReminiec9399 also tends to be FUCKING racist as well.
I love how Chirs was like "No" on djent haha
I wish deathgrind had gotten more coverage. That being said, loved this. Definitely given me some good bands to check out
Big fan of ripping limb from limb?
At about 8:00: The "old school death metal" paradox... that's brilliant! It's like the new catch 22!
Unrelated to my previous comment: This discussion has probably had the highest concentration of shoutouts to my favourite bands and styles on a Lock Horns episode. Extensive discussion of Portal and the cavernous death metal wave with nods and shouts to Shining, Bell Witch, Teitanblood, Panopticon, Oranssi Pazuzu, Blasphemy, Wormphlegm, Deathspell Omega, Igorrr, Ved Buens Ende, Leviathan, Wormlust, even freakin' Xysma of all bands! And Sam did mention DSBM even if they didn't specifically bring up any examples with the very debatable exception of Leviathan-although a digression on the likes of the infinitely freaky Todesstoß or the absolutely etherial Sadness would have been great, as would nods to the god-tier implacable strangeness of Jute Gyte and the deeply peculiar I, Voidhanger label in the section on experimental/avant-garde black metal. Overall, though, I found this unintentional pandering almost as pleasing as the discussion itself.
Granted I'm only 11 mins in, and this point could be addressed later in the show; I'd dare say that, with all the expanding variation within metal, that metal itself has grown from being a subgenres of rock n roll into a genre on it's own.
Yeah, exactly, in the same way as rock is a genre itself, not a blues subgenre.
Yup, same with punk and hardcore. There’s so many permutations.
Yeah that’s why we need to tell people we don’t listen to fucking rock. If anything we have always been a jazz sub-genre any with blues/rock influences. Because really Black Sabbath is just a swing band with a virtuoso rock/jazz guitarist with a blues singer.
Remember they were a Jazz band called Earth before, Ozzy wrote the lyrics to Black Sabbath and the rest they say is history.
Hell the other 2 original metal bands Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin we’re heavily influenced by jazz more than rock/blues any how.
This is a tricky one...
The lack of rules has lead us to this.
But at the same time, the lack of rules is what makes metal so great.
Details, over complication and mix and matching is how metal stays alive... I guess.
Personally I love everything death metal and black metal 🤘
Also remember that metal was considered to be “extreme music” so it makes sense that everything around it is also extreme like the labeling.
that old tower longsleeve fits perfectly here :)
High quality content as always guys, you are the better Headbangers Ball of our time
can't wait for funeral ska
Hahaha wow
Classification of genres basically is a specification of the style of a metal band plays. Its basically an evolution of music and these micro genres will soon grow to its own metal genre.
Would have been cool to see Akercocke (also Voices), and A Forest of Stars brought into this conversation....amazingly eclectic, stylistically diverse (ie. hard to pigeon-hole), excellent metal. As always of course, great job all the way @BANGERTV, love what you do.
Yes! Voices definitely fit that avante garde micro genre.
I enjoyed this episode a lot. Might be my fave so far of the Redux. Both guests were really into it and were quite articulate.
Is there anything that's just death metal? MASSACRE bro!
Sub-genres are a guideline, not a strict rule set. It absolutely helps people find more music that they enjoy. Nothing wrong with them at all.
I love BM, and particularly, atmospheric BM, so I enjoy finding groups who incorporate keys and other sounds, but not with an overwhelming sound to them like “symphonic” BM leans into. Some are more pronounced in their songs, but on the whole, using the term atmospheric instead of st phonic, brings me to them.
Not only in Metal, in music in general artists, intermediaries and public like to distinguish themselves and be set apart in order to be recognized, that's why there's such a proliferation of genres, subgenres and microgenres. Some catch on: Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Grindcore, etc... while others don't seem to stick (besides Macabre, who plays Murder Metal?). I find this subject tremendously fascinating from a personal and academic viewpoint, most of my work in Extreme Music has to do with it.
Blayne's Cobalt longsleeve is fantastic. Gotta get one for myself
Really happy. Got a bit deeper in micro genres in metal. Thanks.
This was pure fun! Talking genres, that is the core of Banger!
You guys definitely need to hear the new Oranssi Pazuzu album. It’s my aoty so far!
I agree. I went back and listened to the rest of their catalog as well and I dig all of it. Great band with a fresh sound.
Cmon you're pulling my chain. You just made that name up.
Wayne Hasch the first time I saw the name was like “there’s no way I’m gonna remember that.” Boy was I wrong
Easy for me to remember, at least the second word. There was a guy in the next town over that went to my high school. He changed his name to Pazuzu Algarad. He started kind of a cult, started dismembering animals, and killed several people and buried them in his yard. Hard to forget that name Haha. They actually did a docuseries on him on Vice.
@@plantdesigns7889 Pazuzu is also the name of the demon in the Exorcist, so that's what sticks with me.
BLAYNE I LOVE YOUR COBALT (Gin) longsleeve!! One of my fave USBM bands and totally underappreciated!
love this but please bring back some of the discussion/debates around albums back. So many good things to say about this channel. Thanks!
Not just floating around for years, funeral doom is very well established over 25 years ago and could have it's own show to talk about all the bands like Funeral, Esoteric etc! I feel a microgenre would be slam, black n roll, pornogrind, progressive metalcore, grisly death
The funny thing about 'progressive metalcore' is that 'real' metalcore bands were far more progressive than any of the bands that are labelled as such.
One of my favourite death n roll albums is Carcass' Swansong
When I still had the time to make music, I considered what I did cybergrind, and that's a genre that had a moment in the mid-2000's that really felt big. It's such a weird genre, blending grind with chiptune, dance, and industrial, that it was never going to be mainstream. But BAYI, The Leviathan's Mandible, Kindergarten Hazing Ritual, Breakdancing Ronald Reagan (before they moved into a noise project), and The Almighty Spork Wizzard all had a degree of Myspace popularity, while Electrocutionerdz, Gigantic Brain, and Genghis Tron all had actual cds being put out by pretty big underground labels. Felt kinda proud to be part of that, even if my shit was some of the worst produced and worst sounding of the bunch and I only had like 100 followers on Myspace. Even managed to get one of my songs a BRR remix! That's to say nothing of success at the time of The Locust, who might not be cybergrind proper but where a huge inspiration to most of us, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed, who are kind in that same vein of not really being cybergrind but cybergrind would not exist without them
Black Noise , Drone Metal are some of my favorite microgenres .
I love drone
No love for Blackgaze? I wanted to hear Blayne talk about Deafheaven🤣
It's hard to talk about or describe music without genres. Try to describe how a record sounds to someone who hasn't heard of the band without mentioning a genre or a similar sounding band, pretty hard. If you say it's funeral doom, norse core, black gaze, death n roll or whatever, people immediately get a picture of how it sounds. The more narrow micro genre, the better description
I will see it after the stream. I'm really curious about this topic.
Love these videos. Gonna check out some of the bands mentioned. Already ordered a Pallbearer album..
The key thing here is the general genres it is needed. While Stratovarius, Morbid Angel, Solitude Aeturnus and Darkthrone are all metal, all 4 are VASTLY different from each other. Then there's the sub genres, which are good as well, especially when it's combining genres (death-doom, blackened thrash, etc.). But to the point, yes, even microgeneres are useful due to the vastness of the metal scene as a whole.
Cool episode. Microgenres can be tedious but they can help fans ID bands they may like & they help bands stand out in a crowded scene
Such an informative episode right here.
Kudos, Sam!
Good episode - closer to the original Lock Horns concept. There are tons more sub-genres to cover ... more episodes please!
As a 43 year old American who grew up and lives in Germany I got a good insight into how Metal evolved. Back in the days you had as an example Speed Metal (Helloween, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian etc.) which turned in time to Melodic Speed and you had for example Power Metal (Morgana Lefay, Hammerfall, Savatage etc.) ... but holy fuck what happened? Now there isn't anymore Melodic Speed. Now all Melodic Speed Metal Bands are categorized as Power Metal where as Savatage, Morgana Lefay etc. seem to also be dealt into that mix ... What a mess ...
P.W. Robinson I hear you. I find it both greatly amusing and annoying with which fervor metal fans these days debate genre classifications of bands. The only other group of people I know that have the same heated arguments are accountants and controllers.When I bought „Keeper of the Seven Keys“ when it came out, Helloween were just Metal. I cannot for the life of me remember hearing the term „Power Metal“ until the early 2000s.
Guys, you're missing: Industrial black metal, Industrial death metal, Goregrind, Groovy goregrind, Cybergrind, Grindnoise, Gorenoise and Noisecore (the original, not that term stolen by Today is the Day).
Also slam btw
Absolutely love Evoken 👌
Antithesis of Light is a masterpiece
My Band "No Evil Music" has that sort of micro genre thing going on, it's Part Alt Metal, Doom Metal, Melodic Metalcore & mid-Tempo grindcore.
I can't imagine that mix working out :D
The Band is mainly "Alternative Doom Metal" & "Doomgrind" with a hint of Melodic Metalcore, but most of the songs are instrumental.
Joezer Moreira Leite
That's a sweet Old Tower longsleeve.
Is Grand Declaration of War by Mayhem considered an avant-garde black metal album? I mean, it has a lot of experimentation in it...
And I love this fucking album, especially In The Lies Where Upon You Lay and Completion In Science Of Agony, a very underrated album in my opinion
Keep up the good work .. love Lock Horns in all its variations ... this Redux version is great in its own merit ... I have always appreciated sub and micro generes because of a simple truth ... to appeal to a larger audience and be “main stream” music must be dumbed down both musically as well as lyrically, so most people can like it and identify with it, so having a small audience although is not economically the best option, I think is a plus when it comes to quality and validity of the music. \m/
Can't wait for this show
I love discussions like this
Nice mention of Xysma...from the early Relapse compilations
Great episode guys!
Portal are in a universe of their own, though Mitochondrion and a very few other bands approach the angular blackened death that's the easiest thing to tag them with. It's a beautiful thing to me for a band to defy categorisation... people like boxes but the best bands don't get readily boxed in.
" It's a beautiful thing to me for a band to defy categorisation... people like boxes but the best bands don't get readily boxed in."
^this
It's how I feel about Igorrr. One problem with this however is that its hard to find something similar when you've gone through their entire discography a thousand times.
I've listened to Nu metal in a distant past and lately almost anything psychedelic rock. Igorrr has become my gateway to other types of metal, but mostly because I can't find anything like it.
If anyone reading this feels obliged to recommend me something along the lines of Igorrr it would be very much appreciated. I want sick riffs on top of breakcore beats backed by real drums. Hardcore distorted kicks, operatic voices. Contrast, humor, theme's. The use of classical instruments. Progressive compositions. A mix of the analogue and digital age. Technical, -because it sounds good, not because it's just impressive. Something I can listen to a 100 times and still discover new details in. Basically: Ruby My Dear, but with guitars.
Other bands I've been enjoying are Drumcorps, Wildrun, Gojira, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, We Butter The Bread With Butter, The Ocean, Meshugga, Animals as Leaders, Opeth, Inshan, Slaughter to Prevail. -Of which some only on a "from song to song" basis. I've checked out the bands that were mentioned alongside of Igorrr in this video, but they didn't click with me (yet).
Great Episode guys!
Zuckuss is the only band playing Star Wars Inspired Porno Grind as far as we know, over 20 years now.
Cheers Guyg
Couldn’t it be argued that Obituary started death n roll? They never went over the edge with technicality and speed. They were writing catchy stuff from their inception. They took Celtic Frost’s Morbid Tales and mixed in some Discharge-style punk.
Entombed?
They have nothing to do with it, having groove =/= death n roll. Death n roll has to have some kind of hard rock/blues rock aspect to it. Not really getting how Discharge comes into this comparison either?
Goregrind, gorenoise, and all the cyber branches of metal. And let's not forget Bestial War Metal.
Chris is great, but his soothing voice almost puts me to sleep. I want him to read a bedtime story to me.
Maybe he has a future in V/O work....
can we talk about how amazing Gin by Cobalt is, and how amazing Blayne is for wearing that shirt?
Cobalt is great
Microgenres can also work just on the level of personal preference. Some folk really need everything cataloged and defined, others don't. Most of the heavy music I listen to crosses a few genres over the span of an album, probably because to sound at all interesting in 2020 that's necessary. I don't bother cataloging where each band I like sits on a genre chart, quality is more important.
Lock Horn's redux discussions have a lot of potential and the discussions are usually interesting but the outcome is usually very disappointing.
The way you try to define your topic is often ludicrous and either biased or rely too much on "fans" who "preach for their own parish".
The topic of this session is micro-genres. Micro comes from ancient greek and mean extremely small, referring often to something invisible to the naked eye (i feel arrogant to write the definition but I need it to make my point).
So based on this definition we could say that micro-genre is a genre that is so specific, so obscure or so unknown that only a handful of bands can be categorized as such, this is a genre that is so small that you can't notice it or think of it when you look at Metal as a wider genre, and you notice this genre only by digging deep into the subgenres of Metal (It might be a sub genre within a sub genre for exemple).
Therefore Djent CANNOT be categorized as a micro-genre considering the amount of bands that are now playing Djent and the success of the genre over the last (2) decade(s). A lot of people will be mad about reading it, but accept that Djent is a broader genre along Heavy Metal, Thrash, Death or Black Metal nowadays, or maybe we could consider it a sub-genre of Progressive Metal. But definitely not a micro-genre.
The same could apply to Post Black Metal which became a quite big subgenre over the last decade, the number of Post Black Metal bands has boomed over the last 10 years, therefore Post Black is a subgenre of Black Metal not a micro-genre.
I think we need to accept now that Rock is a broad umbrella of musical families (Pop Rock, Punk, Rock N' Roll, Metal, etc...) and not just a genre or style.
And each families has genres, for example Metal has Heavy Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Doom Metal, ...
Each genre has subgenres: Death Metal has Brutal Death, Technical Death, Slam, ...
And then subgenres have bands playing a subgenre in a very specific or personal way, leading to the micro-genres: Thrash Metal has Tribal Thrash as subgenre, and within the Tribal Thrash subgenre a band like Alien Weaponry created the Maori-Metal for example and this would be our micro-genre.
Or Rings of Saturn created the Aliencore within the Tech-Death/Deathcore sub-genre, and Aliencore would be the micro-genre in that case.
Of course this is just my opinion I am not saying I am 100% right, but at least if you want to come up with a definition of something, then having a bit of "scientific" or analytical rigour would make your videos much more structured and give you more credibility.
In the end when I see the outcome of the video I get the bitter impression that you guys don't know what you are talking about (I am not saying that you don't know what you are talking about, but that you give this impression).
Sorry for my long and very nerdy comment btw.
Otherwise your guests are always very interesting people, I really liked the one with Abigail William's guitarist and Chris from Profound Lore seems to be a very nice guy (that contrasts a lot with the extreme music promoted by his label).
I agree. I had the same feeling with the discussion around album covers and logos. It seems like a bar conversation and the participants put too much personal opinion.
I agree. They often come off as condescending/elitist instead of staying more neutral to all sub genres of metal. I would like to hear less biased opinions given on the topic.
Jauneras is like roadsigns to the expected feeling you will obtain by listening to it.
i've been saying this for f'n years - metal is the hydra o' western musick - and black metal is the most chimera o' all genres, seamlessly being able to incorporate more disparate musical xpressions than any other genre (metal or otherwise). prove me wrong...
Ved Buens Ende is great and Virus is even greater!
Excellent episode. The biggest thing I would add, if I can add anything to this conversation, is that I'm not sure "micro-genre" is really a thing. The different terms are simply description. For example I love doom but there are a ton of "doom" bands who play very different stylistically so we need to describe that and convey that to others. I don't think bands need to be listed under a micro-genre label, the descriptors such as "funeral doom" or "death doom" etc etc are so we can describe the band to other metal fans. Anyone outside metal doesn't know what doom, death, thrash or anything else even is. If I told my dad I was listening to funeral doom he wouldn't have a clue what that meant but if I'm talking to a fellow metalhead funeral doom alone probably wouldn't be enough of a description. I'd have to say something like this band sounds like Bell Witch and Yob had a demonic baby or some such. What I'm saying is we don't need whole new categories we just need common terms fellow metalheads understand so we can guide each other toward new bands to fall in love with.
Thrash Doom micro genre has been created by an emerging super young band called OTTTO with their song Thrash Doom
With Rob Trujillo’s son on bass they band kicks ass
Twayne Lee Ewing I would say that High On Fire and even earlier, slightly faster doom bands like Saint Vitus had a bit of a head start on the thrash/doom crossover, although in the latter case that is a bit like saying Eyehategod's love of Celtic Frost predicted blackened sludge like The Body and Lord Mantis.
@@ConvincingPeople If anything is 'thrash doom', Carnivore were, beating High on Fire to it by 15 odd years. It might not be the most common combination of riffing styles but it's very well established.
Chris Bruni used to write in BW&BK. Learned alot from this guy in my formative metal years.
Never thought I would hear the term Progressive in the same sentence as BOSTON? Listened again to make certain.
Peals of Laughter.
PORTAL ... Nuff said, turned a corner with ION.
Occult Gore Metal should totally be a microgenre
Bands make the music, the fans decide where it goes. A band that says they are a certain genre limits them too much.
Portal and it’s sister band Impetuous Ritual are indefinable in my opinion - tho death and death/psych doom is the closest ‘label’. Whatever it is , it is forward looking, experimental and searching. And that’s a good thing
Impetuous Ritual are not their sister band. Only two (unoriginal) Portal members are in it
3 things:
1. Entombed's "Wolverine Blues" (excellent album) was part of a sort of Groove Death movement that happened in the mid '90s. The other album that I loved from that era was Pungent Stench's "Dirty Rhymes and Psychotronic Beats" EP. Fucking classic! I think Death'n'Roll started with 6 Feet Under, who had the simplified approach of Rock'n'Roll and the sound of Death Metal.
2. In the mid '90s, I heard Bolt Thrower described as War Metal, which is probably the same reason that commenter dude thought Sabaton were War Metal as both bands sing/growl about war.
3. Meshuggah started the genre of Djent and coined the name, but the genre then became a catch-all term for bands that were influenced by Meshuggah. So yeah, Chris nailed it! Meshuggah > every other Djent band.
Pretty soon we are going to have to wipe the use of genre "names" and going to have to go with a "formula" or "Sound Code" that indicate the aspects in the band/album/song. Like T followed by a number to indicate the average tempo rating, Then, V followed by an indicator of the types of vocal classes in the band, etc. And another long list of stuff. Then when you are trying to find new bands that hit a specific sound you like or in the mood for, you look at it's "Sound Code". And when a band adds a brand new aspect another value to one of these categories are added. Lol, eventually it will become more manageable, seeing how fast all of this is changing.
I love Avant-garde metal and funeral doom metal.
Profound Lore rules
Portal = Progressive Technical Death Metal. C'Thulu has been waiting for this band.
ION is a ritual for your mind.
Djent. Had no idea, love AtB, BoO, Fallujah, Periphery, Architects, Thira, Buried Above Ground.....
The more obscure subgenre you can name, the cooler you are!
Fuck all genres & just dig the music.
Deathgrind, is fucking awesome and brings a much need political element from grindcore back to Death metal.
P. S. The American style of Blackened Folk seems to be called Blackened Blues from what I can find.
Cool guest!
The Accused ! The one and only band in the micro-genre "Splatter Rock"
i think micro genres are mostly for bands that either don't fit anywhere else or where genres collide unexpectedly and it becomes hard to place them. if you can put it in a major genre and only one major genre, you don't need a micro genre.
Surprised to not see a mention of drone doom, with the cult popularity of Sunn O))). I also think no mention of epic heavy metal is a huge omission. While it's not so extreme as the others, it has a long history and is a very specific style that has international popularity and wide reaching influence. To me, it exists in a similar place as war metal, in that it's sort of like power metal but the other side of it. The Conan the Barbarian to power metal's LotR, and early on could maybe be shrugged off as "we get it, you like Manilla Road", but now goes so much further beyond that.
Black n roll and no mention of Kvelertak??
Thought the same thing
Love that band |m|/
Djent is basically prog. Progressive metal post metal prog metalcore... Like any other genre there was a slew of copy cats and not so good copies. IMO the best are. ANIMALS AS LEADERS
PERIPHERY
VILDHJARTA
and of course MESHUGGAH birthing these bands.
I've never got into it too much getting older as it hit (did grab a couple AAL albums), but whenever i hear it i'm typically impressed. It's usually powerful, well orchestrated, and hits that same emotional nerve alot of good metal does for me.
I'm a 50 year old metal head.
I thought if you were going to discuss Sub & micro genres, you could 2 guests who varied in their metal. Chris & Blayne had similar tastes & just agreed with each other. Would have been good to see someone have a different perspective. I'm sure that as the genre of Djent is so big, someone has to like it?? 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Is it realistic to assume that Doom has so many micro genre's since it's one of the fist sub genres ever?
I think there is something to that especially with the divide between stoner and other kinds of doom where it often feels like completely separate approaches while still being based somewhat on Black Sabbath. But more than that I think it's just that doom is really well defined in one way(it's slow and heavy) while not setting many other limits. If other subgenres worked in the same way thrash, black, power and death metal would probably all be subgenres of speed metal or something. I mean epic doom metal is probably about as close to funeral doom as power metal is to melodic death metal.
I think black metal may have more microgenres and hasn't been around as long
Thanks
Sorry this is kinda a late thought but since they were talking about micro-genres but it just came to my mind are those bands like Insomnium, Wolfheart and Ghost Brigade
MeloDeath/doom now?
"Testament are a thrash metal band and no one will ever question it", Well, they did dabble with death metal vocals, and there was a period you could consider them technical thrash, I mean, the tech bit could have been why they never pushed Anthrax out of the big 4. Just food for thought
:o blaynes got some nice kicks
Death Doom Metal...a band like DISEMBOWELMENT =TRANSCENDING INTO THE PERIPHERAL... 🤘🏾. Some know about them others dont....
Jessica Latex I'd call them old-school gnarly as fuck funeral doom in the same vein as Wormphlegm, given how slow and grinding and almost anti-rock their material is. It has all the grimacing, demented attitude of other very experimental Australian death metal bands like The Chasm, StarGazer and even Portal, but how ungodly *lugubrious* it is makes it something completely different. (I'd almost say the moniker half-seriously applied to Wormphlegm of "torture doom" is relevant here in the same way it might be with, say, Khanate, although the vocals are less... suicidally unhinged.)
@@ConvincingPeople The Chasm is from Mexico.
I love the Pagan Black Metal band WolfChant
The one super group everyone needs to mention his Hear N Aid with Ronnie James Dio!
I do miss those magnets clappin on that board and Sam's metal ass handwriting, but this was very good.
Banger should absolutely do an updated version of their family tree, but instead of band lists, it should be a road map! I would buy and frame a large poster of the metal genre road map.
Make your own! (I did)
The map of metal is great but I haven't looked at it in years to see if it's updated
Hey Blayne! Or the incorporation of the Traditional instruments that are from a certain country ?
Death'N'Roll....
Dismember.
Entombed...
Transport League...
Pungent Stench have some stuff from later years that sits in there too but a different take on it...
You missed..
Xysma (probably the pioneers of D'n R)
Gorefest