I don't like the way you, and many other journos, describe a 650cc as "a nice little bike," "new rider, big-ish bike," It sounds condescending. I've ridden all sorts and sizes of bikes for 40 years, raced them too, at Brands Hatch and other tracks; the 650cc 'middleweight' is absolutely not a beginners bike, but has more than ample power for the public roads.
If you go the DAS route at over 21 for your A1 test you learn and take your test on a 650cc bike , so your statement that a 650cc middleweight isn't suitable as a beginners or first big bike is patently ridiculous ........
As a new rider trying to find my way round the 100’s of choices some advice as to whether it is suitable as a fist big bike is extremely useful and not condescending. Whereas it maybe obvious that a CB1000R would be too much for a new rider it’s not as clear with something like this 650. But I don’t think anyone says it’s not suitable to keep an experienced rider satisfied. So are you saying this bike is not suitable for a first big bike, maybe it’s performance is too much. All advice welcome.
@@PhilipKerry Funny, my understanding of Ewooll's comment was that the 650 size is big enough for more than being a beginners bike. Did I get it wrong?
Good to hear your views Mark and others comments. I have this bike on a 21 reg in matt black and now done 1k mile and love it. I chose this as my first bike after 125 over Z650 mainly because its the only mid range with a 4 cyl and the sound you get. The power is incredible through the rev range and handles well. I got a matt cover for the screen and thats stops any glare and added the small honda windscreen. Ones with a J prefix on serial number are built in Japan and the quality is clear. Similar build to yourself and fits me well but larger guys may be too cramped. Apart from tail tidy cannot fault it.
Hi. I wonder what difference the small windscreen does regarding taking the wind off my chest. I would like to fit it with windshield and I hesitate between the small and the bigger one from Puig. The small looks better but the puig looks more efficient. What is your experience? thanks
@@sandorharaszti4359 I got the small Honda screen just to improve the look of the front of the bike. It doesn’t give any wind protection. You would need a taller Puig type screen for this. Good luck.
If as you said the Yamaha MT-07 is a terrier, then this a labrador, kind nature, gentle, reliable, dependable, what you see is what you get. It seems a bargain for £7.5k. Looks nice. Only criticism - Honda should have made the QS option both up AND down.
Thorough review as always. Many of us older riders owned the original Honda 400/4 which was a great bike both to ride and to admire. You just know that after all the years of evolution that CB650R is going to be a fantastic bike with those 'tribute' 4 into 1 pipes finishing off a top class package. Lots to like about that bike!
Another great review Mark. I like it when you show and tell your height for reference. The Honda looks great and a contender to the Trident, but it needs a better TFT dash, possibly a windshield. What do you think bout comparing it to a Z650 overall.
It's a matter of personal taste, but the dash is more than fine on this kind of bike. It has all the info you need, it's well visible under sunlight and has beautiful blue backlit at night and it actually kinda match the neo retro. I would swap it for real old style clocks with needles but I don't miss TFT. She does not more modes and settings, I don't need another smartphone on my bike. Simplicity is win, in this case, trust happy owner on that ;-)
As an owner of a triumph with a TFT that's caused me nothing but hassle.. I would be more than happy with a basic LCD or old style analogue duals.. I got drawn into all the technology on new bikes, keep it simple I'm my opinion ☺️
This is what Kawasaki should have done with the z650, instead of the pump motor twin cylinder they have now, would have made the z650rs perfect. Nice 650 Honda.
Excellent review. I purchased this bike in this same colour earlier this summer as my first bike. Your impressions reflect my own. It's quite approachable for a new rider as it makes its real power high in the rev range. Keep the revs below 6 or 7k and it won't bite you with a sudden surge of power that sends your front wheel to the sky. After a few months of riding, there's not really much I'd change about it. I've bought a tail tidy but I've been hesitant to install it. Having beeen out for a few early morning rides on still-wet roads, I'm pretty glad to not have roadspray muck all over my back.
Lovely bike. Interesting that you found plenty of low end drive which for me is as important. It shares the same display as the 500f, speed and gear position are ok to read but not much else, even when looking at it when stationary in my drive and in favourable light - excellent review as per usual Mark
Nice video, Mark! You know, it occurs to me that shorter riders look better on motorcycles than tall riders. At least, at 5'7" myself, that's what *_I_* think! ;)
This is true, I'm 6'2" and fit and look is very important for me when it comes to bike choices 😜 when I go bike shows with my mate, that's shorter I say you bastard you'll fit that perfectly 🤣 I'm too tall for it damn it!
Brilliant review. Mark. The bike is low geared 1 - 4 which offsets the lack of low down torque to some extent. Mine was very vibey around 6,000 rpm (pegs and seat) until well run in. They seem to vary in this respect quite a lot. I had a MT 07 too. The suspension is chalk and cheese in comparison. I'd never swap back. Far more stable too. Especially at high speed.
Happy New Year Mark! Another excellent review as always. I think this bike is identical in every way to the CBR650R apart from the extra fairing and sport bars. How did you find this bike compared with the Kwak Z900? I've seen other moto vloggers who said the Cb650R felt just the same as riding the Z900 - the later is approx £3k more and you get different modes but, to be honest the Hondas are so good they don't really need modes in my humble opinion. The Honda engine is so smooth and has such a light clutch, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on which would be the better bike
I learned to ride on this bike and my only reflection is that I found the off-idle throttle a bit overly sensitive and a little snatchy, which with along with a slightly vague (but very light) clutch made slower speed manoeuvring a little tricky, although that is likely as much to do with my inexperience. I also found the mirrors gave an excellent view of my elbows.
Thank you for your video ! I'm thinking of buying one of these and needed to know just what you have shown, low down riding slow, how smooth on the throttle etc, you nailed it,thank you ,John,( first bike in 1974) honda cb 250 ,raced Mx after that , again nice video!
It looks like a charming little middleweight with with decent performance and fantastic build quality. I think I'll trade my old FZ1 for one of these next year.
@@markpulling12 also may I add the Honda has fantastic looks and build. The Trident has a heavier clutch, is surprisingly heavier to lift off the stand and has a kicked up rear end that could make it more awkward for short riders. That number plate hanger they went with is also a monstrosity IMO. I'm enjoying the videos, keep them coming 👍
I had a -19 model and did 38000km on it. Higher handlebar and 20mm lower footpegs did the trick for me. And I gave it a Boosterplug which really made a difference for the better. Lovely bike indeed! Be careful with the rims though. Coating is not very strong. My lock scratched the rearwheel. Fueling showed in the dash was never correct. My bike did approx 24km/l Lovely bike!
@@spfiros Just two pieces of metal. I made them myself. If I remember correctly, I used 10X20mm and 120mm in length. Made new holes offset but in the same pattern as on the frame. Mount the pieces on the frame, with lowered screwheads so they dont interfears with the footrests, and then the footrests on the pieces. Easy peasy!
460 lbs for a naked 650 because it's a steel frame I4, but still $9700. Fuck off Honda, Yamaha has you beat up and down the street, it's over. It's been over for years.
Always look forward to your reviews, Mark, and this one is no exception. Got to hand it to the Honda engineers for the way they have developed that powerplant over the years. Now here is the big question - is the CBR650R worth the extra money in your opinion? Thanks once again.
Not keen on the front indicators being on. One glance by a car driver stopped at a junction could mistake it as being activated and pull out. Strange idea.
I’ve had this 21 model bike now for over 4 months and had no such issues with front indicator markers although I was concerned about it prior to purchasing. Ive also seen other Honda’s with them on the road and think they actually make them more noticeable. Just a great bike.
My Africa Twin had permanently on indicators. In a sea of headlights they make you stand out in the crowd and get noticed. People do not associate a non flashing amber light as a signal to turn, even at a glance, that is not how are eyes/brain work, the benefits far outweigh the perceived risk.
This bike is awesome and I can't stop riding it. 6000km and counting. Except of 1 thing that drives me nuts and not many reviews mention it. Why is Honda the only manufacturer who swap the horn and indicator lights buttons? It's hard to get used to it and it's super annoying especially if you are swaping bikes. Even more so, on CB650R they put the traction control on/off button where other bikes have the high beam "horn". They waste the most conveniet button with a function you will almost never use (or if so, than once in a ride). Can't use hight beam "horn" and horn simultaneously, cause both are controled by thumb and at the most inconvenient place (yeah I need to use both at the same time, all the time, I am in Vietnam). Why Honda, why?
Just another great review mark! Thanks for adapting my notice for slower speaking, appreciate mate! Keep up the good work as you always do, I'm looking forward for your next review pal! I always enjoy your videos!!
It's a gorgeous bike with one of most smoothes engine. But here in India biggest issue is this bike is priced at 10k pounds of 11k dollars. It's so much overpriced that you can buy triumph and save enough money to spend on 2,3 years of maintenance.
Nice review as always mark, I really want that bike for my first bike but insurance is a killer! Such a gorgeous looking machine and the power is very manageable. I am going to have settle for the cb500f for now which is still a great bike. Hopefully give it a year n il get a CB650R. 👍🏻
@@markpulling12 yeah I’ve already seen the news version. Looks so much better with showa forks and twin disc brakes with radial mounted callipers. Those little changes make a huge difference. Il be getting the 2022 model for sure 👍🏻
@@foufdog Honda all day long, though I am a biased owner. Fantastic bike for the money. Should get more reviews than it does. Quality is right up there with some far more expensive bikes.
Hi mark, another great review keep them up. We both passed out bike tests a few weeks ago still waiting on our Himalayan's. Hope to catch up sometime all the best M
Great review! Pre-ordered a 2022 model in blue metallic yesterday. There is already a new tail tidy waiting in my garage for the bike to arrive. May the winter here in Norway be very short-lived :)
I must be getting old but I'd rather have a Honda Hornet or CBR600F, drop the digital dash and ugly looks and engage riding a true motorcycle instead. I might be in a minority of one.
Mark I think his competitor is the Trident 660, less weight, 80HP makes the same power to kg. The MT700 and the Z650 are a bit different than these two. Maybe include the CFMOTO 650NK in here as well ? But I think with 206kg it's to heavy. Otherwise the CFMOTO 700CL-X this is 10kg lighter. What do you think Mark.
This bike is 13.5 kg (30 lbs) heavier than the Trident. If you weren't aware of this beforehand, you wouldn't know. It's not a significant amount of weight especially for the type of bike. The MT-07 is 9 kg (20 lbs) heavier than the Trident. Again, if you didn't know it beforehand, you wouldn't be able to tell. The difference between the CB and the MT would probably be noticeable but these are street bikes. As long as it does what you want it to do. Feels like you want it to feel, and puts a smile on your face, what does it matter if it's a few extra pounds heavier?
@@kevincrockett5155 My right knee is worn out and handling of my current bike a Yamaha FZ1 Fazer while parking and so is getting me some troubles. Therefore I was looking for a bike in the range of 180 to 190kg drive ready with full tank. So today I ordered a Triumph Trident 660. The riding is no problem of the FZ1, great bike to have and very nice handling, it's the rest that makes me worry. I will not yet sell the Yamaha. For local riding I have a Mash Falcone 125cc, easy to get around and light.
Love this Honda CB650R for that smooth 4 cylinders and short wheelbase and small statute. It would be nice if you could review its smaller brother, the Honda CB300R that doesn't seem to be reviewed in the UK.
Hi Mark nice review. Can I ask I am a new rider and have been riding a benelli tnt 125 for a little while and I’m very interested in the new Ktm duke 390 (A2 friendly) as I only commute to and from work and maybe a pop to the supermarket for a few beers 🍺 will you be doing a review on the new duke 390 anytime soon or would you recommend this kind regards Rich 👍
Thanks Mark for the really informative review. I've been looking at this bike for a while now. With the trend towards parallel twins this'll be the one of the last of the smaller inline four cylinder bikes.
Just done my CBT again on my Honda CBZ125F which I mothballed 20 years ago when no. 1 son was born. The CB650R is quite simply the progression for me as a 59 year old. Your test has drawn a line under all the Bamboozlement of choice! Looked at many but keep coming back to this bike. Thank you.
Need help deciding which option is better guys. So for this bike(second hand), what would you do: Pay about $AUD 8000 for 30,000 kms or around $AUD 11000 for 5000 to 10000 kms?
Actually well worth a look, Mark, if you don't want or need all the fancy Dan electronics. Against the Trident, MT 07 & Z650 range, this looks a bit of a bargain!
How is the LCD screen in bright sunlight in the summer ?, is it hard to read compared to the Kawasaki Z650 TFT screen? I really want to buy one of those bikes but i cant choose duo the screen. I have tested both bike’s a couple of times and they both don’t disappoint me when it comes to the engine’s, I am just unsure about the LCD screen on the Honda.
I picked up the exact same bike on 17th june, wasn't able to get a test ride unfortunately. But having owned a 07 hornet & still have my 1977 400 /4,i was fairly confident that it would tick all the boxes. Ooops big mistake, maybe its the euro 5 effect I'm not sure but it just didn't work for me. Hated the switchgear, the gearing isn't good and having no midrange was a pain, the 07 hornet was far superior, Again this is just my opinion and I'm sure it will suit most owners. I traded mine in after 3 months and went back to a speed triple, and lost 2grand on the honda.but I'm back to enjoying my riding.
@@markpulling12 cheers mark, great review the cb650r just didn't suit me, I only ride nowadays for fun, and it didn't tick the boxes. My moto morini sport, 400/4 & speed triple cover all bases, 😀
Towards the end of the vid you came round the corner in 6th gear …. I dint think that was possible ?? Can you get money off a new bike ? Or is it different then a car purchase ? I’ll be paying cash ,
Hi Peter this bike is an inline 4 it's very tractable and will easily hold 6th gear at low speeds ...yes you can get a bit of discount on new bikes if you haggle ... cheers mark
@@markpulling12 thanks , I’ve much to learn , I always thought you’d take a ‘ corner ‘ in 2nd like a car .. I’ll find out more when I do my DAS . I’ll be asking for a good deal then and hope they don’t insult me with my trade in or I’ll sell it privately. Thanks
Hi Mark, Great review of the Honda and the MT-07 especially for me as a new rider. I'm currently riding a CBF125 2009 model which I'm loving but thinking ahead once my direct access course is done. In your opinion which is the better bike for a new rider? The MT-07 or the CB650R?
Hi Dave ....tough choice as they are both brilliant....me personally I'd go for the mt07 .... just feels lighter and is the naughty boy / terrier like The Honda Is more civilized ,smoother inline 4 but still very revvy ....as you are new to biking either will put a big smile on your face ...go and look at them sit on etc and go for the one that feels the best for you cheers mark
Great Review…the best i watched so far👍🏾Everything on the Point. Very sympathetic man. Thanks…By the way: I bought one in Matt Dim gray metallic 2 Days ago and as you said…great bike. I love it.
Thinking of going for one of these coming from a Ducati scrambler I’m keen to have 4 cylinders again. The smoothness is what I’m after and your video has helped me make my mind up. Great video, you answered my main two queries which was how it is for shorter riders, I’m 5’8”. I also questioned if it had riding modes, not that I’m overly concerned about the lack of this. Thanks
It's unfortunate that 99% of comments in your vlogs are praise. This makes you sound like a salesman and doesn't help with comparing bikes in different vlogs
Hi John ....tough choice but at a push I'd go for the mt07 ...I prefer twins in this engine size for the grunt at low rpms and they don't have to rev as high cheers mark
@@johnjohansen7190 Get a ride on them both. Why take someone else's opinion on something when you can experience it yourself and decide based on how you enjoyed it.
Many of the riders are satisfied with riding bikes that are boring and predictable like this honda. I really like how easily this bike can be controlled under 7000 but if i want excitement i rev over 7000 and it ceases to be boring. for me an Mt0-7 is not good enough. We all can find the right bike that fits our personality.
Which is the better bike …. This or the Yamaha MT 07? … It’s this or the Yamaha when I get my license… I know we’ve all different opinions but saw your review yesterday on the MT07 and you had a blast … who deserves my money ? I’m a new rider awaiting soon my test …. HELP ! I’ve also a 125 Honda to trade , thanks
Wonderful Mark,you really should have treble the subscribers.Anyway I learned on the 125 equivalent and you have finally made up my mind to make this my next step up.Thanks.
Another excellent review. Did you happen to notice there was more vibration or buzz when in neutral ? It feels quite buzzy to me. Does it smooth out when in gear?
Excellent review, very detailed and informative, got mine yesterday and can't believe how smoothly it rides coming from a Euro 4 Suzuki which suffered from a snatchy and surging throttle. Going to go for the quickshifter at first service.
Doubtless this is a great bike, and it will be totally reliable being a Honda with first-class build quality, but I really do not like mid-sized inline fours. They always sound so busy. The usual excellent review, though.
I've always thought Mark does a great review. A bike that can be flat footed by someone with a 30 in inseam is a small bike. A 250 dual sport with a 35 in. Seat height is a big bike. There's more to size than c.c's.
Between this and the trident 660 what would you recommend? Personally I'm more inclined with the CB650R but I'm having 2nd thoughts about that vibrations.
Just want to say thank you for all of your test ride videos. Really enjoy watching them. Very comprehensive and detailed. I'd love to know your top 3 bikes you have recently tested.
Hi David I liked the trident but was a little underwhelmed after all it's hype ... maybe I've been spoilt riding things like mt09 etc ....out of the two I'd go for the honda :) But then the tuono 660 ?? Mmmm
I have the CBR version, there’s lots to like and it’s good value but light it is not. The bib-bib-bibbing feel on deceleration at slow speeds is annoying too, probably some emissions related device.
@@davidg2116 I wondered if it’s fixable, any suggestions of the right kind of people? I’ve seen various forums propose solutions but I was always told you could only mod carbed bikes.
Nice review … nice looking bike. I would of liked that but have a XSR 700 and so very similar in power and I’m now looking at the 1000cbr or the 900MT09 sp… I’m so undecided as there both so nice.. decision decision decision 🤔🤔🤔👍🏻
The 2021 CB650R will be available in the following color options: Matte Black Metallic (USA) Pearl Smoky Gray. Matte Gunpowder Black Metallic. Candy Chromosphere Red. Matte Jeans Blue Metallic It's the blue one cheers mark
@@markpulling12 thanks Mark. I now see its a 2021 colour and not a 2022 colour. I see the 2022 models all have matt black front mud guards no matter what colour you spec.
I don't like the way you, and many other journos, describe a 650cc as "a nice little bike," "new rider, big-ish bike," It sounds condescending. I've ridden all sorts and sizes of bikes for 40 years, raced them too, at Brands Hatch and other tracks; the 650cc 'middleweight' is absolutely not a beginners bike, but has more than ample power for the public roads.
Agree!
True
If you go the DAS route at over 21 for your A1 test you learn and take your test on a 650cc bike , so your statement that a 650cc middleweight isn't suitable as a beginners or first big bike is patently ridiculous ........
As a new rider trying to find my way round the 100’s of choices some advice as to whether it is suitable as a fist big bike is extremely useful and not condescending. Whereas it maybe obvious that a CB1000R would be too much for a new rider it’s not as clear with something like this 650. But I don’t think anyone says it’s not suitable to keep an experienced rider satisfied. So are you saying this bike is not suitable for a first big bike, maybe it’s performance is too much. All advice welcome.
@@PhilipKerry Funny, my understanding of Ewooll's comment was that the 650 size is big enough for more than being a beginners bike. Did I get it wrong?
Probably the best choice all round in that segment of nakeds not considering its price tag.
Many thanks 😊
Good to hear your views Mark and others comments. I have this bike on a 21 reg in matt black and now done 1k mile and love it. I chose this as my first bike after 125 over Z650 mainly because its the only mid range with a 4 cyl and the sound you get. The power is incredible through the rev range and handles well. I got a matt cover for the screen and thats stops any glare and added the small honda windscreen. Ones with a J prefix on serial number are built in Japan and the quality is clear. Similar build to yourself and fits me well but larger guys may be too cramped. Apart from tail tidy cannot fault it.
I thought they were all built in Thailand.
@@kevincrockett5155 No actually says made in Japan on it also.
Hi. I wonder what difference the small windscreen does regarding taking the wind off my chest. I would like to fit it with windshield and I hesitate between the small and the bigger one from Puig. The small looks better but the puig looks more efficient. What is your experience? thanks
@@sandorharaszti4359 I got the small Honda screen just to improve the look of the front of the bike. It doesn’t give any wind protection. You would need a taller Puig type screen for this. Good luck.
Have watched damn near every video there is on the CB650R. Getting mine first week of July. Every day feels like it never ends. So very excited!
In the same exact boat right now. Haven't even gotten my license (first course tomorrow), but I've already chosen my bike lol
If as you said the Yamaha MT-07 is a terrier, then this a labrador, kind nature, gentle, reliable, dependable, what you see is what you get. It seems a bargain for £7.5k. Looks nice. Only criticism - Honda should have made the QS option both up AND down.
Thanks Alex yes a down blipper would be awesome .... great bike for the money :)
Thorough review as always. Many of us older riders owned the original Honda 400/4 which was a great bike both to ride and to admire. You just know that after all the years of evolution that CB650R is going to be a fantastic bike with those 'tribute' 4 into 1 pipes finishing off a top class package. Lots to like about that bike!
Thanks Quentin
The 400/4 was a beautiful bike. This bike really gets me, especially those 4 into 1 pipes
Another great review Mark. I like it when you show and tell your height for reference. The Honda looks great and a contender to the Trident, but it needs a better TFT dash, possibly a windshield. What do you think bout comparing it to a Z650 overall.
Hi Jimmy I like the z650 but prefer the refinement of this
Cheers mark
It's a matter of personal taste, but the dash is more than fine on this kind of bike. It has all the info you need, it's well visible under sunlight and has beautiful blue backlit at night and it actually kinda match the neo retro. I would swap it for real old style clocks with needles but I don't miss TFT. She does not more modes and settings, I don't need another smartphone on my bike. Simplicity is win, in this case, trust happy owner on that ;-)
As an owner of a triumph with a TFT that's caused me nothing but hassle.. I would be more than happy with a basic LCD or old style analogue duals.. I got drawn into all the technology on new bikes, keep it simple I'm my opinion ☺️
This is what Kawasaki should have done with the z650, instead of the pump motor twin cylinder they have now, would have made the z650rs perfect. Nice 650 Honda.
Yes a four cylinder would have been great in the new z650 RS
Hopefully testing that one when it comes out :)
I said the same thing. A four cylinder, Z650RS would be perfect.
@@markpulling12 even 3 cylinder would do great. But kawasaki 650s are so outdated.
Too right.
Excellent review. I purchased this bike in this same colour earlier this summer as my first bike. Your impressions reflect my own. It's quite approachable for a new rider as it makes its real power high in the rev range. Keep the revs below 6 or 7k and it won't bite you with a sudden surge of power that sends your front wheel to the sky. After a few months of riding, there's not really much I'd change about it. I've bought a tail tidy but I've been hesitant to install it. Having beeen out for a few early morning rides on still-wet roads, I'm pretty glad to not have roadspray muck all over my back.
Thanks Roger for the comment
Glad it's going well
I am going to look at this same bike tomorrow as my first bike.
@@chewie8 good luck! I couldn't be happier with mine but there are so many appealing options out there.
@@chewie8 How did you get on? I've bought one. My first bike too
@@codemonkey181 Yes, i got one myself. Fantastic first bike to gain experience on.
I would be doing an oil and filter change every 4,000 miles on a 4 cylinder engine like that.
Lovely bike. Interesting that you found plenty of low end drive which for me is as important. It shares the same display as the 500f, speed and gear position are ok to read but not much else, even when looking at it when stationary in my drive and in favourable light - excellent review as per usual Mark
Thanks Alan 🙂
I have a matt finish screen protector from speedo angels on mine and have no sun glare issues at all.
Nice video, Mark! You know, it occurs to me that shorter riders look better on motorcycles than tall riders. At least, at 5'7" myself, that's what *_I_* think! ;)
Haha me too 🤪
This is true, I'm 6'2" and fit and look is very important for me when it comes to bike choices 😜 when I go bike shows with my mate, that's shorter I say you bastard you'll fit that perfectly 🤣 I'm too tall for it damn it!
Dunflop d214 are among the worst tires ever made. They slip on dry warm pavement.
Brilliant review. Mark. The bike is low geared 1 - 4 which offsets the lack of low down torque to some extent. Mine was very vibey around 6,000 rpm (pegs and seat) until well run in. They seem to vary in this respect quite a lot. I had a MT 07 too. The suspension is chalk and cheese in comparison. I'd never swap back. Far more stable too. Especially at high speed.
Thanks for the feedback Clive
Glad to hear that the vibes settle down regards mark
Happy New Year Mark! Another excellent review as always. I think this bike is identical in every way to the CBR650R apart from the extra fairing and sport bars. How did you find this bike compared with the Kwak Z900? I've seen other moto vloggers who said the Cb650R felt just the same as riding the Z900 - the later is approx £3k more and you get different modes but, to be honest the Hondas are so good they don't really need modes in my humble opinion. The Honda engine is so smooth and has such a light clutch, it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on which would be the better bike
Hi Vincent... yes It does feel similar to ride to a z900 but less powerful...I love the Hondas highly recommend it cheers mark
I learned to ride on this bike and my only reflection is that I found the off-idle throttle a bit overly sensitive and a little snatchy, which with along with a slightly vague (but very light) clutch made slower speed manoeuvring a little tricky, although that is likely as much to do with my inexperience. I also found the mirrors gave an excellent view of my elbows.
Thank you for your video ! I'm thinking of buying one of these and needed to know just what you have shown, low down riding slow, how smooth on the throttle etc, you nailed it,thank you ,John,( first bike in 1974) honda cb 250 ,raced Mx after that , again nice video!
It looks like a charming little middleweight with with decent performance and fantastic build quality. I think I'll trade my old FZ1 for one of these next year.
Fantastic bike. I know, I have one. No regrets on my purchase. Great in town. Good economy if you want to commute. Goes like stink when asked 🏍️💨
Ok thanks Richard ..yes I agree
Well priced too for Honda quality
Best regards mark
@@markpulling12 also may I add the Honda has fantastic looks and build. The Trident has a heavier clutch, is surprisingly heavier to lift off the stand and has a kicked up rear end that could make it more awkward for short riders. That number plate hanger they went with is also a monstrosity IMO.
I'm enjoying the videos, keep them coming 👍
I want one of these after seeing this review 👍
I had a -19 model and did 38000km on it. Higher handlebar and 20mm lower footpegs did the trick for me. And I gave it a Boosterplug which really made a difference for the better.
Lovely bike indeed!
Be careful with the rims though. Coating is not very strong. My lock scratched the rearwheel. Fueling showed in the dash was never correct. My bike did approx 24km/l
Lovely bike!
Cheers John ...yes I was impressed with the fuel economy :)
Hi! Could you recommend the parts u used to lower the foot pegs?
@@spfiros Just two pieces of metal. I made them myself. If I remember correctly, I used 10X20mm and 120mm in length. Made new holes offset but in the same pattern as on the frame. Mount the pieces on the frame, with lowered screwheads so they dont interfears with the footrests, and then the footrests on the pieces. Easy peasy!
460 lbs for a naked 650 because it's a steel frame I4, but still $9700. Fuck off Honda, Yamaha has you beat up and down the street, it's over. It's been over for years.
No need to swear
Always look forward to your reviews, Mark, and this one is no exception. Got to hand it to the Honda engineers for the way they have developed that powerplant over the years. Now here is the big question - is the CBR650R worth the extra money in your opinion? Thanks once again.
Hi Phil they both ride very similar depends if you want sporty or street ... me at 51 ...I'd go street :)
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 I was going to ask the same question and I am 59.
Once you see that 1970’s looking huge-ass throttle cable jetting out, you just can’t unsee it. This bike is overpriced by about $2000. Thai built.
Not keen on the front indicators being on. One glance by a car driver stopped at a junction could mistake it as being activated and pull out. Strange idea.
Yes I'm not really a fan
Cheers mark
I’ve had this 21 model bike now for over 4 months and had no such issues with front indicator markers although I was concerned about it prior to purchasing. Ive also seen other Honda’s with them on the road and think they actually make them more noticeable. Just a great bike.
My Africa Twin had permanently on indicators. In a sea of headlights they make you stand out in the crowd and get noticed. People do not associate a non flashing amber light as a signal to turn, even at a glance, that is not how are eyes/brain work, the benefits far outweigh the perceived risk.
To me, in terms of looks, this bike only needs a shorter end lol I would def buy a new tail tidy for it
This bike is awesome and I can't stop riding it. 6000km and counting. Except of 1 thing that drives me nuts and not many reviews mention it. Why is Honda the only manufacturer who swap the horn and indicator lights buttons? It's hard to get used to it and it's super annoying especially if you are swaping bikes. Even more so, on CB650R they put the traction control on/off button where other bikes have the high beam "horn". They waste the most conveniet button with a function you will almost never use (or if so, than once in a ride). Can't use hight beam "horn" and horn simultaneously, cause both are controled by thumb and at the most inconvenient place (yeah I need to use both at the same time, all the time, I am in Vietnam). Why Honda, why?
Thanks for the comment Robert yes annoying re those buttons !
Cheers mark
That's a nice color, hope they bring it to the US market
Just another great review mark! Thanks for adapting my notice for slower speaking, appreciate mate! Keep up the good work as you always do, I'm looking forward for your next review pal! I always enjoy your videos!!
Thanks Harris my pleasure ☺️
It's a gorgeous bike with one of most smoothes engine. But here in India biggest issue is this bike is priced at 10k pounds of 11k dollars. It's so much overpriced that you can buy triumph and save enough money to spend on 2,3 years of maintenance.
Nice review as always mark, I really want that bike for my first bike but insurance is a killer! Such a gorgeous looking machine and the power is very manageable. I am going to have settle for the cb500f for now which is still a great bike. Hopefully give it a year n il get a CB650R. 👍🏻
Thanks Dan cb500 f is still great ...there is a new 500 version coming out in December ish if you
didn't know already 😁
Regards mark
I'm torn between this bike and triumph trident 660, just going to look if you have reviewed the trident 🤔
@@foufdog no sorry not done the trident but heard very good things about it ... Price is similar too
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 yeah I’ve already seen the news version. Looks so much better with showa forks and twin disc brakes with radial mounted callipers. Those little changes make a huge difference. Il be getting the 2022 model for sure 👍🏻
@@foufdog Honda all day long, though I am a biased owner. Fantastic bike for the money. Should get more reviews than it does. Quality is right up there with some far more expensive bikes.
Hi mark, another great review keep them up. We both passed out bike tests a few weeks ago still waiting on our Himalayan's. Hope to catch up sometime all the best M
Hi Manny great news re the tests catch up on a Poole moto ride soon :)
Great review! Pre-ordered a 2022 model in blue metallic yesterday. There is already a new tail tidy waiting in my garage for the bike to arrive. May the winter here in Norway be very short-lived :)
Thanks great choice
Greetings to Norway :)
Is anything known about the 2022 model yet or is it simply a 2021 model built in 2022?
@@stever4184 According to my local dealer, the 2022 are the same as the 2021 model. They have not been notified of any changes to my knowledge.
@@slimsin6049 Excellent! Been trying to find this out and was nervous to buy a 2021 in October.
Heard the tail tidy let’s water into back of the seat , see English biker Dan’s review.
I must be getting old but I'd rather have a Honda Hornet or CBR600F, drop the digital dash and ugly looks and engage riding a true motorcycle instead. I might be in a minority of one.
You think you must be old? I want my Z1300 back....
I was quite happy with Suzuki GS850G, Honda CX500B/ E, Kawasaki GT750, /550 all great courier bikes!
Mark I think his competitor is the Trident 660, less weight, 80HP makes the same power to kg. The MT700 and the Z650 are a bit different than these two. Maybe include the CFMOTO 650NK in here as well ? But I think with 206kg it's to heavy. Otherwise the CFMOTO 700CL-X this is 10kg lighter. What do you think Mark.
The trident gets great reviews ...the cfmoto brand are very good value ...tricky choice ...if it was me think I'd buy a year old mt07
Cheers mark
This bike is 13.5 kg (30 lbs) heavier than the Trident. If you weren't aware of this beforehand, you wouldn't know. It's not a significant amount of weight especially for the type of bike. The MT-07 is 9 kg (20 lbs) heavier than the Trident. Again, if you didn't know it beforehand, you wouldn't be able to tell.
The difference between the CB and the MT would probably be noticeable but these are street bikes. As long as it does what you want it to do. Feels like you want it to feel, and puts a smile on your face, what does it matter if it's a few extra pounds heavier?
@@kevincrockett5155 My right knee is worn out and handling of my current bike a Yamaha FZ1 Fazer while parking and so is getting me some troubles. Therefore I was looking for a bike in the range of 180 to 190kg drive ready with full tank. So today I ordered a Triumph Trident 660. The riding is no problem of the FZ1, great bike to have and very nice handling, it's the rest that makes me worry. I will not yet sell the Yamaha. For local riding I have a Mash Falcone 125cc, easy to get around and light.
Love this Honda CB650R for that smooth 4 cylinders and short wheelbase and small statute.
It would be nice if you could review its smaller brother, the Honda CB300R that doesn't seem to be reviewed in the UK.
Hi John I'm trying to get hold of a demo cb300r but they are hard to get hold of I'll keep trying
Cheers mark
Yeah! The old opening music is back.
Haha just for you 😉
Hi Mark nice review. Can I ask I am a new rider and have been riding a benelli tnt 125 for a little while and I’m very interested in the new Ktm duke 390 (A2 friendly) as I only commute to and from work and maybe a pop to the supermarket for a few beers 🍺 will you be doing a review on the new duke 390 anytime soon or would you recommend this kind regards Rich 👍
Hi no sorry can't really get hold of ktm but the 390 duke is brilliant ...light fun and well priced definitely recommend one :)
Thanks Mark for the really informative review. I've been looking at this bike for a while now. With the trend towards parallel twins this'll be the one of the last of the smaller inline four cylinder bikes.
Glad it was helpful! Simon
Best wishes mark
Just done my CBT again on my Honda CBZ125F which I mothballed 20 years ago when no. 1 son was born. The CB650R is quite simply the progression for me as a 59 year old. Your test has drawn a line under all the Bamboozlement of choice! Looked at many but keep coming back to this bike. Thank you.
Ok bob cheers great choice 😊
Need help deciding which option is better guys.
So for this bike(second hand), what would you do:
Pay about $AUD 8000 for 30,000 kms or around $AUD 11000 for 5000 to 10000 kms?
Actually well worth a look, Mark, if you don't want or need all the fancy Dan electronics. Against the Trident, MT 07 & Z650 range, this looks a bit of a bargain!
Thanks Hugh yes I think it's great for the price ....you could probably haggle a good deal aswell :)
Cheers mark
Awesome ride. Might be a bit too much bike for me. Always like to watch your vids from your great country. I’ve only visited as a tourist.
Whereabaouts are you from sabbottart? I live in the UK but while I enjoy living here it really does not have much biking weather....
Perfect commuter bike. Great for occasional weekend fun.
Definitely great bike 😊👍
@@markpulling12 Had the CB650F. This one has better components.
How is the LCD screen in bright sunlight in the summer ?, is it hard to read compared to the Kawasaki Z650 TFT screen? I really want to buy one of those bikes but i cant choose duo the screen. I have tested both bike’s a couple of times and they both don’t disappoint me when it comes to the engine’s, I am just unsure about the LCD screen on the Honda.
It's ok not brilliant in sunlight you can read it though
Cheers mark
PS I've got Metzeller tyres on mine, they're very good wet and dry. I've heard that the Dunlops are not the best for grip.
In 8000 miles I have never felt the bike to be insecure on dunlop not even in wet conditions.
One of the most responsible riders of CB650R
I picked up the exact same bike on 17th june, wasn't able to get a test ride unfortunately. But having owned a 07 hornet & still have my 1977 400 /4,i was fairly confident that it would tick all the boxes. Ooops big mistake, maybe its the euro 5 effect I'm not sure but it just didn't work for me. Hated the switchgear, the gearing isn't good and having no midrange was a pain, the 07 hornet was far superior,
Again this is just my opinion and I'm sure it will suit most owners.
I traded mine in after 3 months and went back to a speed triple, and lost 2grand on the honda.but I'm back to enjoying my riding.
Thanks Peter for the feedback
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 cheers mark, great review the cb650r just didn't suit me, I only ride nowadays for fun, and it didn't tick the boxes.
My moto morini sport, 400/4 & speed triple cover all bases, 😀
Towards the end of the vid you came round the corner in 6th gear …. I dint think that was possible ??
Can you get money off a new bike ? Or is it different then a car purchase ? I’ll be paying cash ,
Hi Peter this bike is an inline 4 it's very tractable and will easily hold 6th gear at low speeds ...yes you can get a bit of discount on new bikes if you haggle ... cheers mark
@@markpulling12 thanks , I’ve much to learn , I always thought you’d take a ‘ corner ‘ in 2nd like a car .. I’ll find out more when I do my DAS .
I’ll be asking for a good deal then and hope they don’t insult me with my trade in or I’ll sell it privately.
Thanks
Awesome review mark.i definitely looking to get this one for my first bike plenty of power without ripping your arms out.
Thanks James ...I was impressed with this ...well priced too
Hi Mark,
Great review of the Honda and the MT-07 especially for me as a new rider. I'm currently riding a CBF125 2009 model which I'm loving but thinking ahead once my direct access course is done. In your opinion which is the better bike for a new rider? The MT-07 or the CB650R?
Hi Dave ....tough choice as they are both brilliant....me personally I'd go for the mt07 .... just feels lighter and is the naughty boy / terrier like
The Honda Is more civilized ,smoother inline 4 but still very revvy ....as you are new to biking either will put a big smile on your face ...go and look at them sit on etc and go for the one that feels the best for you cheers mark
I’ve exactly the same dilema !
Great bike for a second or third bike.
Beautiful as well.
Ride safe
Great Review…the best i watched so far👍🏾Everything on the Point. Very sympathetic man. Thanks…By the way: I bought one in Matt Dim gray metallic 2 Days ago and as you said…great bike. I love it.
Thinking of going for one of these coming from a Ducati scrambler I’m keen to have 4 cylinders again. The smoothness is what I’m after and your video has helped me make my mind up. Great video, you answered my main two queries which was how it is for shorter riders, I’m 5’8”. I also questioned if it had riding modes, not that I’m overly concerned about the lack of this. Thanks
Love your attention to detail. Might be picking up a 2022 brand new on special with QS.
Was considering this bike but at 5’11 maybe not now.
This is why his now famous "Here's me on the bike" section is so helpful...
Hi Mark, very informative review, any plans to review the E-Clutch version?
I've currently got a hornet 500 to review
I'll ask for an e clutch bike next
Cheers mark
It's unfortunate that 99% of comments in your vlogs are praise. This makes you sound like a salesman and doesn't help with comparing bikes in different vlogs
Excellent review. Something we have come to expect from you.
Many thanks Bryan
What tank protection is that please?
Cheers from New Zealand and Kia Kaha!!
Hi it's a Honda part 😀
@@markpulling12 Very nice one!
Which bike between this one and the MT 07 would you say is better?
And of course, as always, great review!
Hi John ....tough choice but at a push I'd go for the mt07 ...I prefer twins in this engine size for the grunt at low rpms and they don't have to rev as high cheers mark
@@markpulling12 appreciate your opinion. MT 07 it is then!
@@johnjohansen7190 Get a ride on them both. Why take someone else's opinion on something when you can experience it yourself and decide based on how you enjoyed it.
Dependable but honda make very boring bikes
Thanks for the comment Wayne
Many of the riders are satisfied with riding bikes that are boring and predictable like this honda. I really like how easily this bike can be controlled under 7000 but if i want excitement i rev over 7000 and it ceases to be boring. for me an Mt0-7 is not good enough. We all can find the right bike that fits our personality.
@@sandorharaszti4359 Not sure what that means about me as I have a Honda CD200 Benly.....
Excellent review, u got a new subscriber !
Thanks for the sub Steve !
Good review Mark nice bike.
Which is the better bike …. This or the Yamaha MT 07? … It’s this or the Yamaha when I get my license… I know we’ve all different opinions but saw your review yesterday on the MT07 and you had a blast … who deserves my money ? I’m a new rider awaiting soon my test …. HELP ! I’ve also a 125 Honda to trade , thanks
Tough choice Peter they are both great ....from a 125 I'd get the mt07
Cheers mark
Love the look of this bike. Just placed an order for this bike.
Wonderful Mark,you really should have treble the subscribers.Anyway I learned on the 125 equivalent and you have finally made up my mind to make this my next step up.Thanks.
Thanks Aaron great choice ☺️
I like this review...)))
bro has voice like cricket commentators
Nice Morgan at 9:46. I had four Hondas. Even the old ones are not too bad.
My mans has it on MPH niiiiice. THANK YOU! lol.
Another excellent review. Did you happen to notice there was more vibration or buzz when in neutral ? It feels quite buzzy to me. Does it smooth out when in gear?
Hi Gerard no I didn't notice that
It's generally a smooth inline 4 there is a bit of a buzz at 6k like most inline 4 s but a great bike
Cheers mark
Excellent review, very detailed and informative, got mine yesterday and can't believe how smoothly it rides coming from a Euro 4 Suzuki which suffered from a snatchy and surging throttle. Going to go for the quickshifter at first service.
Thanks yes the quick shifter is great 👍
Doubtless this is a great bike, and it will be totally reliable being a Honda with first-class build quality, but I really do not like mid-sized inline fours. They always sound so busy.
The usual excellent review, though.
Thanks nik ...I know what you mean they are always chasing the revs unlike a twin
Cheers mark
Wow! Beautiful and quality for a good price. Triumph lower your prices! Look at the new tyre lines on those tyres...careful there!
Yes David it's a great bike 😌
Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 Mark...Its no centre stand? Ugh No satnd no sale!
Still beautiful...O god get a stand for the garage!
I've always thought Mark does a great review. A bike that can be flat footed by someone with a 30 in inseam is a small bike. A 250 dual sport with a 35 in. Seat height is a big bike. There's more to size than c.c's.
Thanks Louis ☺️
Thanks Mark, I look forward to every video, you have become my go-to authority, I do like this Honda.
Many thanks Paul yes you can't go wrong with a Honda :)
Nice Video. Thanks. Grüße aus Deutschland
vielen Dank Grüße aus England
Height reference was really helpful 👍👍
Thanks ...my pleasure 😊
I always enjoy the 'here's Mark on the bike' cutaway.....
I find the forks a bit choppy
Rear is spot on
Between this and the trident 660 what would you recommend? Personally I'm more inclined with the CB650R but I'm having 2nd thoughts about that vibrations.
Hi yes I'd go for the honda ..I found the vibrations to be fine at 6 k rpm ... didn't really bother me
Best regards mark
@@markpulling12 thanks. will get the honda now. :)
Would have liked to see more street riding and manoeuvring !!
Just want to say thank you for all of your test ride videos. Really enjoy watching them. Very comprehensive and detailed. I'd love to know your top 3 bikes you have recently tested.
Hi sergio...best bikes for me are z h2 supercharged ,tracer 9 gt and mt09sp.........but ive enjoyed them all cheers mark
Classic style versus modern style who do win
Great review Mark as always. Are the tires good.
Hi Amit ..they are ok tyres nothing brilliant ....change to something like s22 or pr5 when the time arrives
Cheers mark
Thanks mark
Hi Mark in your opinion which bike would you prefer this bike or the Trident??
Hi David I liked the trident but was a little underwhelmed after all it's hype ... maybe I've been spoilt riding things like mt09 etc ....out of the two I'd go for the honda :)
But then the tuono 660 ?? Mmmm
Thanks Mark. I love the sound of the 4 cylinder. Great bike.....Sal : )
Thanks sal ...Honda quality at its best ! :)
Thanks for the great review, I would like to see the old analog odo/speedometer on those bikes
It has to be a Honda CB1100RS for those dual analogue dials.
I have the CBR version, there’s lots to like and it’s good value but light it is not. The bib-bib-bibbing feel on deceleration at slow speeds is annoying too, probably some emissions related device.
Thanks graham ....yes these days they have all sorts of emissions devices ! Cheers mark
Graham it's to do with fueling rules of euro 4/5. If you were to go to somewhere that does remaps they can take that away too.
@@davidg2116 I wondered if it’s fixable, any suggestions of the right kind of people? I’ve seen various forums propose solutions but I was always told you could only mod carbed bikes.
@@grahamhiggins1 link below is different bike but he talks about the same issue. ua-cam.com/video/Wz6Bxr1ZeRs/v-deo.html
Shame we don't get that color in the US
Hello. Honda $9199.00 and MT-09 $9399.00 here in Texas. Which would you get?
Hi mt09 all the way ... Loads more fun !! Cheers mark
@@markpulling12 Thanks!
I was wondering if you was able to flat foot on this being 5'7?
He was able to flat foot it with 30 inch inseam,if you have about 30 ish inch inseam,you should be good 👍
Perfect design
Nice review … nice looking bike. I would of liked that but have a XSR 700 and so very similar in power and I’m now looking at the 1000cbr or the 900MT09 sp… I’m so undecided as there both so nice.. decision decision decision 🤔🤔🤔👍🏻
Go for the CB650R. In real world, riding with the mates, that's all you need. Give it a boosterplug and enjoy!
Mt09sp for me :)
@@markpulling12 is that because it’s got cruise control🤣🤣👍🏻
@@stevie5141 yes and 115 hp and light !!!!
What colour is it? I'm on the Honda website and you can't spec it in this colour?
The 2021 CB650R will be available in the following color options:
Matte Black Metallic (USA)
Pearl Smoky Gray.
Matte Gunpowder Black Metallic.
Candy Chromosphere Red.
Matte Jeans Blue Metallic
It's the blue one cheers mark
@@markpulling12 thanks Mark. I now see its a 2021 colour and not a 2022 colour. I see the 2022 models all have matt black front mud guards no matter what colour you spec.
Top notch review as always
Thanks Dylan 😊
He's the only MP worth listening to in this country....
Hi what color is this?
Hi it's called Matt jeans blue :)
is that meter in MPH or KMH?
Hi I'm in UK so it's mph
Best wishes mark
Ducati Monster
Nope, it's deffo a Honda.....
Nice review Mark.
Many thanks Brad 🙂
Flat plane is awesome