Yeah the awful economy we've had the last 4 years ruined prices on everything. Hopefully things turn around now and we start to see a thriving economy like we had prior
$36,595 was the sticker on my cousin''s Type R. And throw that number in the inflation calculator and you get $$45,867. So the economy sucks, but the value proposition is around the same....
@lannym man I'm so mad about it, and I got fk7 back in 2019 it was cheap sort back then. I should've known inflation and dealerships would've make it $11,12,000 in the coming years. If id known I would've got a 2019 fk8 and still had it now
Idk why kids buy the base civic then spend $8k worth of rims and any performance improvement they can when it’ll hurt its resale value. Or just buy a type R and not loose resale value.
Yeah I agree. Pointless to drop thousands in a basic Civic when you can just buy a higher spec and have a better car. Type-R holds such good value, anyone dropping $15k into an Si or other trim is just wasting money
@ mark up still? Every dealer within 300 miles of me is Msrp or lower. I luckily got my new ‘19 for $36k. Which is crazy cause that’s what the si basically costs now lol
SI has a better interior and it has a sunroof. R is faster but that's useless for most ppl who just drive to work and grocery store everyday. The spoiler on the R feels a little gaudy not to mention the bright red seats plus no sunroof. Performance the R wins but for a more sensible looking "sport" option I'd take the civic
I can see that. The R is for people who are going to the track, spirited mountain drives or AutoX events. Si does a good job being a sporty daily. However Type-R holds incredible value. So it will probably cost more money to own the Si
Type R with the integra damper module is the perfect daily/track car mix. Civic SI is also a great daily that’s fun in the corners. All depends on your budget and if you want heated seats. There’s no wrong option imo
Oh, I see they finally added the heated seats to the Si - that's new for 2025. That is the one luxury option I would have liked to see in my Type R....
Yeah I've heard good things about the damper mod. Definitely depends on budget since these are very different in price. But handling is in a new world with the Type-R. Crazy to see what they can do with this platform
Yeah they both have a lot to offer for the price. It's a big price difference so you'd expect a big performance and driving difference. Si is a great daily!
Is the shifter not exactly the same in both cars? I know the clutch pedal feels a little different, but I was under the impression. The shifter itself were identical on both cars.
Shifter feel is significantly different. Type-R is very notchy and has no play. The Si just feels like a more basic manual. These cars drives incredibly different
I upgraded from si to type r. Just 100% worth it if yoou can swing it. The si is really good. The type R is better in every way. I do think it would be better than just modding an si for another 100hp, too. There's more to it than just power. I don't know that you could mod an si with the 15k or so difference to be better than the type r. Equal to maybe but then there's the fact that a type r comes warranted like that and wouldn't have a drastic lowered reliability durability that the si would then hypothetically have.
Yeah I agree. Anyone putting $15k into the Si should just get a Type-R. Sure it will be fast. But speed isnt everything especially in a FWD platform. Also the Type-R holds really good value. A modified Si will be worth the same as a stock one. Stock for stock both are really good at their price tags
I guess we'll see. However I doubt that. The EV thing is just a big push and ends up being a waste of money to produce. So if Honda wants to be successful they'll limit EV's and not ruin good cars
The wider fenders and spoiler on the type r just make it such a beautiful looking car. Ever since I seen it I’ve just been in loveeeee, I hope I can save up enough money to buy one of these puppies it’s currently my dream car. Great video showing off the two.
I test drive both Type R and Civic SI. Both cars are very slow, I drive Y Performance for family car. I went with Civic SI being a perfect daily. Gets good MPG. Just cant wait to install new head stud & head gasket after 36 months.
Yeah hard to compete with an EV like that. But the handling in the Type-R is where it shined. Do some aggressive mountain drives and it will be night and day. Si makes a god sporty daily tho
@@BrosFOURRSpeed i'm trying to relive my ef, h22 b18c1 years by getting an si. Hoping to upgrade to manual RWD mk5, m2, m3 or even mustang 5.0 sooner than later. Something almost as quick as my Tesla.
@@mdrayhan5228 bruh! Yes Type R are slow, even GR Corolla beats it from the dig. Anything that doesn't go 0-60 under 4 seconds or 1/4 under 12 seconds isn't quick in 2025
U sleep lmao my 1.5 has plenty of soul and the power is the easy part but before adding power to an underpowered FWD car it needs other supporting mods
@Jmarzx Sorry, I meant in stock fashion. I suppose the 1.5 could be more fun tbh, get to hit boost more often without being exposed to felony speeding when compared to the 2.0. Only test driven one once, but it seems like the 10th/11th Si could handle ~260hp without new brakes/suspension but IDK about cooling and whatnot.
@@subzero-ku2wxfactual ur right but I will say its a very sensitive clutch 1-2 it super sensitive but different clutch and short shifter makes this car so much fun . Also ur right I can actually push the car and not be in felony speeds its imo the perfect daily cruiser car not fast but not too slow either but definitely needs mods
Type r is x10 better, but was it worth it? Price, insurance etc. At the end of the day it will he just a civic with a 300 hp, same with gr corollas, elantra N, wrx. Honestly you could had gotten an 330i or m3
4.9 sec. That is generous. And under near perfect conditions. But these are different cars. They just happen to both be called a Civic. I think they only share the front doors, windows, and a few other things. The jump in difference is probably the widest than any other brand. An M3 is probably closer to a mid-level 3 series than these two. Yes, the $15k is worth the premium for the Type R over the Si. Not that the Si is not worth it.
4.9 is the best tested. I believe car and driver or motor trend tested that.Obviously real world will differ and what the drive can do with their skill set. But those are the best numbers stock for stock. Pretty much what I found and mentioned in the video. Type-R is a completely different car and is hard to believe it's still a Civic. Amazing cars for the money. Definitely loving the FL5
I had to downgrade from 21 type R to 25 Si due to purchasing a home and trying to be more financially responsible. They are not even close in comparison. HOWEVER, I’ve never had a bad or boring trip in the Si either. It’s probably the perfect “sportyish” commuter car. The 25 Si is very well rounded and will likely go down as one of the greats, 1.5 and all.
I’m downgrading from a 24 type r to a 25 si due to my type r getting stolen, I don’t have a garage and don’t live in a great neighborhood so I’m hoping the less eye catching si will survive lol
Can't complain about the si at all has the functions you need to get a-z 🏆 the car handling the only thing is to add on si is wheels suspension and just a little engine mods. Don't wanna add to much power and ruin the reliability more power the faster it wear out.
Let me save you 17 minutes: No, it's not worth the upgrade. But yes, if your starting point is the CTR. You want to spend almost double the price after markup for a better civic SI? No, that doesn't make sense. You want to spend nearly $60k on a street-legal race car with 4 doors and good fuel economy? Sure. Do that.
IMO not worth the extra 15, nit fast enough and just as fun. For the type r money I’d rather golf r and u get AWD. Test drive an SI and loved. Very fun. But I bought an Elantra n instead
Smart choice ; if my Si wasnt low mileage (2020) and wasnt a full modified exhaust when I bought it I wouldnt have bought it but that exhaust changes the entire experience
My two local dealers have had about 4 brand new Type-R's come through since I've had mine. All MSRP. Even mine was used with 2k miles. $45k OTD. Cali sucks lol
Si_20: Yea 😏 if I spend 15k or leSs I could get up to SpeeD and probably jus hiit the peak of jus being the cousin to the typeR - im talking about 2l inl4 k20C1 😅😅 welL you kno it’s just an idea 💡 😅
So you'd rather spend $15k modifying the Si to match the Type-R? You'll get the power, but you still won't handle the same as a Type-R. Also resale value will be identical to a stock Si. While the Type-R holds its value. So you're just throwing money away vs having a car worth it's value
Type R being over 35k is truly a joke . Especially with the terrible quality control honda has been putting out these past 10 years . This thing is the same price as m240 awd bmw 😂 let that sink in
@BrosFOURRSpeed i drove a 2020 back in 2019 . They wanted 42k i offered 35k. I ended up getting the si for 24k out the door as I wanted a 4 door manual and I liked the sedans look better . They're nice , but they're cheaply put together. For about 3k you can make a si quicker than a stock r . 50k for a fwd is bonkers though. I blame the new generation for destroying car prices 😂
@@thomasmatarazzo198 Drove it on the twisty mountain roads. All out speed isn’t what these are about. These are drivers cars for the turns and handle insane when you push them hard
On flat FL roads you won't see the benefits of the Type-R. In NC we have twisty country roads and mountain roads for days. Night and day driving difference even on the quick country road I tested these. But with all the cars I drive. The Miata and GR86 are probably the only cheaper cars that handle this good. But those also don't have the power or practicality
The 1.5T was made to please CAFE, not the performance enthusiast. The SI deserved a better powertrain focused in performance and not MPG. The problem with this powertrain is the low ceiling it has in terms of performance. A simple tune might toast your clutch, an upgrade that is very expensive on this platform. To reach stock CTR power, you need FBO and a turbo upgrade. Once you get close to 300whp, you are at the limit of the stock internals. At this lever, every day that the car lasts without blowing the engine is a blessing. Contrary to the K20C1, it can reach over 500whp on the stock clutch and engine.
Type R is 10x better...😂
Yeah it's borderline a completely different car!
Really?
@akoito7564 The price difference is worth it, and the resale value of the Type R is fantastic!!
@@akoito7564 drive them back to back and you tell me. Significantly different performance level
@@speeddemonRS3they both have pretty much the same resale value. I’ve had both.
Thank you for doing the heavy lifting of a comparison. Also, your audio sounds really good.
Glad you liked the video! Dialing in the new microphone with my new cameras!
SI to R, HELL Yeah.
Yeah it's a major step up!
Thank you for a great review and not beating the shit out of a brand new car a dealer lot like most other reviewers and car journalists do it.
Yeah we keep everything on the conservative side! Warmed up car and low engine load. Can still experience the car and know what it has to offer!
Wow i remember the type r use to be $34,000 in 2019
Yeah the awful economy we've had the last 4 years ruined prices on everything. Hopefully things turn around now and we start to see a thriving economy like we had prior
@BrosFOURRSpeed oh my God man yes
$36,595 was the sticker on my cousin''s Type R. And throw that number in the inflation calculator and you get $$45,867. So the economy sucks, but the value proposition is around the same....
@lannym 💯
@lannym man I'm so mad about it, and I got fk7 back in 2019 it was cheap sort back then. I should've known inflation and dealerships would've make it $11,12,000 in the coming years. If id known I would've got a 2019 fk8 and still had it now
Good review comparisons.
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
I had an SI, went to ITS last year... I'm going back to SI for a daily.
Oh interesting! Wha't the main reason to go back from the Integra?
Heresy
Idk why kids buy the base civic then spend $8k worth of rims and any performance improvement they can when it’ll hurt its resale value. Or just buy a type R and not loose resale value.
Yeah I agree. Pointless to drop thousands in a basic Civic when you can just buy a higher spec and have a better car. Type-R holds such good value, anyone dropping $15k into an Si or other trim is just wasting money
type r is more then 8k over the base plus possible mark up at some point a car becomes unaffordable
@@renaldoharris7951 you can buy them with no mark ups though.
@ mark up still? Every dealer within 300 miles of me is Msrp or lower. I luckily got my new ‘19 for $36k. Which is crazy cause that’s what the si basically costs now lol
Here in Indonesia the Type-R is over twice the price of the Civic Sedan. We don’t even have the hatchback yet here.
SI has a better interior and it has a sunroof. R is faster but that's useless for most ppl who just drive to work and grocery store everyday. The spoiler on the R feels a little gaudy not to mention the bright red seats plus no sunroof. Performance the R wins but for a more sensible looking "sport" option I'd take the civic
I can see that. The R is for people who are going to the track, spirited mountain drives or AutoX events. Si does a good job being a sporty daily. However Type-R holds incredible value. So it will probably cost more money to own the Si
Nice review 🎉
Thanks! Glad you like it!
Type R with the integra damper module is the perfect daily/track car mix. Civic SI is also a great daily that’s fun in the corners. All depends on your budget and if you want heated seats. There’s no wrong option imo
Oh, I see they finally added the heated seats to the Si - that's new for 2025. That is the one luxury option I would have liked to see in my Type R....
Yeah I've heard good things about the damper mod. Definitely depends on budget since these are very different in price. But handling is in a new world with the Type-R. Crazy to see what they can do with this platform
100% correct, I swapped to the integra type s ads module in my FL5 and it made a big difference.
The type r is the way to go but the si is nice for daily so thats why i brought both one for weekend and the other to mess around
Yeah they both have a lot to offer for the price. It's a big price difference so you'd expect a big performance and driving difference. Si is a great daily!
Engineering Explained has a video on they Type R engine. It's more than what people think I'm sure.
Oh very cool. I'll have to check that out!
@@BrosFOURRSpeed ua-cam.com/video/BtkGMUY-4hs/v-deo.html
As an owner of the FL5 I would call that a spot on comparison…
For sure! Fun to drive them back to back and see what the Type-R really has over the si!
The si should be all-motor and should put out a little more than 200hp
Would be neat to see!
Pretty cool, I've been in both before and they are nice
Yeah they each have some good features for the price
Happy new year 🥳 sorry im late
Thanks!
APPRECIATE YOU rehashing the differences between the Civic Hatchback vs. Sedan
Yeah I was pumped to get to check these out side by side!
How different are the Bose sound systems on these two? I was wondering since both of these come with Bose speakers.
I'm not sure. I didn't listen to music in the Si. But I also don't listen to music loud enough to really know what 'good' audio sounds like
firssst! happy new year
Happy New Year to you too!
Is the shifter not exactly the same in both cars? I know the clutch pedal feels a little different, but I was under the impression. The shifter itself were identical on both cars.
Shifter feel is significantly different. Type-R is very notchy and has no play. The Si just feels like a more basic manual. These cars drives incredibly different
It’s got a different feel…more sturdy and notchy. If the Si shifter is 8/10, the FL5’s would be 10/10.
I went from a 22 Civic Si, to a 2025 Type R. It’s 100 times better. Best car I ever bought.
Oh nice! Yeah it's crazy how good of a car the FL5 is! Such a good drivers car
I upgraded from si to type r. Just 100% worth it if yoou can swing it. The si is really good. The type R is better in every way. I do think it would be better than just modding an si for another 100hp, too. There's more to it than just power. I don't know that you could mod an si with the 15k or so difference to be better than the type r. Equal to maybe but then there's the fact that a type r comes warranted like that and wouldn't have a drastic lowered reliability durability that the si would then hypothetically have.
Yeah I agree. Anyone putting $15k into the Si should just get a Type-R. Sure it will be fast. But speed isnt everything especially in a FWD platform. Also the Type-R holds really good value. A modified Si will be worth the same as a stock one. Stock for stock both are really good at their price tags
I got to drive one and was with a big a$$ smile afterwards. Been trying to buy but these dealers play too many games.......from a SI owner.
Some dealers suck. All the dealers we film out seem pretty good tho
If this is a question, you haven’t driven a R yet. Or to be honest the CTR isn’t for you is all.
Well some people want to see if they should spend the money for the Type-R or not. Fun to see how they stack up
Some are saying this is the last generation of the gas powered Type R.
I guess we'll see. However I doubt that. The EV thing is just a big push and ends up being a waste of money to produce. So if Honda wants to be successful they'll limit EV's and not ruin good cars
The wider fenders and spoiler on the type r just make it such a beautiful looking car. Ever since I seen it I’ve just been in loveeeee, I hope I can save up enough money to buy one of these puppies it’s currently my dream car. Great video showing off the two.
Yeah it really looks good being wider! Certainly a great car to work towards! Make it happen!
I test drive both Type R and Civic SI. Both cars are very slow, I drive Y Performance for family car. I went with Civic SI being a perfect daily. Gets good MPG. Just cant wait to install new head stud & head gasket after 36 months.
Yeah hard to compete with an EV like that. But the handling in the Type-R is where it shined. Do some aggressive mountain drives and it will be night and day. Si makes a god sporty daily tho
Tesla’s are boring ash atp I’d rather have something slow with a soul
@@BrosFOURRSpeed i'm trying to relive my ef, h22 b18c1 years by getting an si. Hoping to upgrade to manual RWD mk5, m2, m3 or even mustang 5.0 sooner than later. Something almost as quick as my Tesla.
Type R is slow? Lmao that’s a 2.0l engine with 315hp . That’s plenty fast for daily driving
@@mdrayhan5228 bruh! Yes Type R are slow, even GR Corolla beats it from the dig. Anything that doesn't go 0-60 under 4 seconds or 1/4 under 12 seconds isn't quick in 2025
The 1.5 has no soul and no power. The K20C has no soul either, but it at least gets out of its own way.
U sleep lmao my 1.5 has plenty of soul and the power is the easy part but before adding power to an underpowered FWD car it needs other supporting mods
@Jmarzx Sorry, I meant in stock fashion. I suppose the 1.5 could be more fun tbh, get to hit boost more often without being exposed to felony speeding when compared to the 2.0.
Only test driven one once, but it seems like the 10th/11th Si could handle ~260hp without new brakes/suspension but IDK about cooling and whatnot.
@@subzero-ku2wxfactual ur right but I will say its a very sensitive clutch 1-2 it super sensitive but different clutch and short shifter makes this car so much fun . Also ur right I can actually push the car and not be in felony speeds its imo the perfect daily cruiser car not fast but not too slow either but definitely needs mods
Yeah the 1.5 just feels like a nice sporty engine over a basic Civic. Good for its price tag. But an intake and exhaust would add some character
It got both power and soul don’t know what are you talking about 😂
Type r is x10 better, but was it worth it? Price, insurance etc. At the end of the day it will he just a civic with a 300 hp, same with gr corollas, elantra N, wrx. Honestly you could had gotten an 330i or m3
Who is fatser Si or Type R
Type-R by far
@BrosFOURRSpeed Yeah
4.9 sec. That is generous. And under near perfect conditions.
But these are different cars. They just happen to both be called a Civic. I think they only share the front doors, windows, and a few other things. The jump in difference is probably the widest than any other brand. An M3 is probably closer to a mid-level 3 series than these two. Yes, the $15k is worth the premium for the Type R over the Si. Not that the Si is not worth it.
4.9 is the best tested. I believe car and driver or motor trend tested that.Obviously real world will differ and what the drive can do with their skill set. But those are the best numbers stock for stock.
Pretty much what I found and mentioned in the video. Type-R is a completely different car and is hard to believe it's still a Civic. Amazing cars for the money. Definitely loving the FL5
Too bad most stealerships have at least a $10k markup on these type R’s
@@rossij94 shop around, there’s plenty that don’t..
@ in SoCal or close to SoCal? Haven’t found anything yet around these parts
@@rossij94 anything outside of Cali, doesn’t seem to be the place to find anything to be honest.
I had to downgrade from 21 type R to 25 Si due to purchasing a home and trying to be more financially responsible. They are not even close in comparison. HOWEVER, I’ve never had a bad or boring trip in the Si either. It’s probably the perfect “sportyish” commuter car.
The 25 Si is very well rounded and will likely go down as one of the greats, 1.5 and all.
Yeah I can see that! Si is a fun normal car and it costs about the same as a typical normal sedan. So it's a great option for the price
I’m downgrading from a 24 type r to a 25 si due to my type r getting stolen, I don’t have a garage and don’t live in a great neighborhood so I’m hoping the less eye catching si will survive lol
Can't complain about the si at all has the functions you need to get a-z 🏆 the car handling the only thing is to add on si is wheels suspension and just a little engine mods. Don't wanna add to much power and ruin the reliability more power the faster it wear out.
Yeah its a good sporty option!
If only the si came with a de-tuned version of the k20c.
Yeah could be cool.
Let me save you 17 minutes: No, it's not worth the upgrade. But yes, if your starting point is the CTR.
You want to spend almost double the price after markup for a better civic SI? No, that doesn't make sense.
You want to spend nearly $60k on a street-legal race car with 4 doors and good fuel economy? Sure. Do that.
IMO not worth the extra 15, nit fast enough and just as fun. For the type r money I’d rather golf r and u get AWD. Test drive an SI and loved. Very fun. But I bought an Elantra n instead
Smart choice ; if my Si wasnt low mileage (2020) and wasnt a full modified exhaust when I bought it I wouldnt have bought it but that exhaust changes the entire experience
True but the golf will be more expensive to maintain long term. Honda is known for low cost and budget friendly modifications
@ true but at this price I don’t think it would be a deal breaker. Slightly more expensive sure but I think affordable
@@Jmarzx if I went so I would bought the remark
Si
Try $20k difference in price if you live in Southern California. No such thing as msrp for new type r
My two local dealers have had about 4 brand new Type-R's come through since I've had mine. All MSRP. Even mine was used with 2k miles. $45k OTD. Cali sucks lol
@ doesn’t mean you have to buy from that one.
time to wash those wheels in the Type R
It was a super rainy day and the road I was on unfortunately had mud all over the ground. Is what it is
This is a silly question 😅.
Yeah the Type-R is very well worth it!
Si_20: Yea 😏 if I spend 15k or leSs I could get up to SpeeD and probably jus hiit the peak of jus being the cousin to the typeR - im talking about 2l inl4 k20C1 😅😅 welL you kno it’s just an idea 💡 😅
So you'd rather spend $15k modifying the Si to match the Type-R? You'll get the power, but you still won't handle the same as a Type-R. Also resale value will be identical to a stock Si. While the Type-R holds its value. So you're just throwing money away vs having a car worth it's value
To hell with the Si
Would you like to explain?
The Type R has a tiny gas tank, not suitable for a daily driver.
No comparison. Oranges against apples.
Type R being over 35k is truly a joke . Especially with the terrible quality control honda has been putting out these past 10 years . This thing is the same price as m240 awd bmw 😂 let that sink in
Well these have been holding strong values for 3 years. So seems like they are very well worth the price. Have you driven one?
@BrosFOURRSpeed i drove a 2020 back in 2019 . They wanted 42k i offered 35k. I ended up getting the si for 24k out the door as I wanted a 4 door manual and I liked the sedans look better . They're nice , but they're cheaply put together. For about 3k you can make a si quicker than a stock r . 50k for a fwd is bonkers though. I blame the new generation for destroying car prices 😂
@@thomasmatarazzo198 Drove it on the twisty mountain roads. All out speed isn’t what these are about. These are drivers cars for the turns and handle insane when you push them hard
@BrosFOURRSpeed I did not , I live in Florida . Fwd are not made for twisties 😂. Much better handling cars for far less
On flat FL roads you won't see the benefits of the Type-R. In NC we have twisty country roads and mountain roads for days. Night and day driving difference even on the quick country road I tested these. But with all the cars I drive. The Miata and GR86 are probably the only cheaper cars that handle this good. But those also don't have the power or practicality
So planted… bud, you’re going 40 mph
15k try 18-22
Depends on where you live I guess, no markups where I live.
Can we get real world prices not msrp
You can buy both of these right now for MSRP, just shop around..
Should of got an automatic
Type r is only a manual..
The 1.5T was made to please CAFE, not the performance enthusiast.
The SI deserved a better powertrain focused in performance and not MPG.
The problem with this powertrain is the low ceiling it has in terms of performance.
A simple tune might toast your clutch, an upgrade that is very expensive on this platform.
To reach stock CTR power, you need FBO and a turbo upgrade. Once you get close to 300whp, you are at the limit of the stock internals.
At this lever, every day that the car lasts without blowing the engine is a blessing.
Contrary to the K20C1, it can reach over 500whp on the stock clutch and engine.