This is how self propelled push mowers work. When you clamp down on the handle that causes it to drive forward, it tensions a pulley from the engine to the wheels, and causes the mower to drive forwards under the engines own power.
@@user-vh7ki7xu7o I'm looking at a video of it now. It's a pulley/clutch system, the blade 'pulley wheel' is two plates, one is the input, and the other is the output. The other pulley wheel is actually an idler, and tensioning it engages the two halves of the clutch using a belt. ua-cam.com/video/VukTdf6vMbI/v-deo.html
You guys should try retrofit variable valve timing on a lada. I was thinking of using a bendix gear from a starter on the end of the camshaft. then you could pull the cam pulley in and out with the throttle to change the advance.
What you are suggesting is meaningless. For the motors existing in the experiment have an OHC camshaft drive. They are outdated. And modern Lada motors have a drive
Old industrial machines used to be driven by line-shafting and flat (leather) belt - the first factory I worked in still had this, and the machines would have a fast and loose pully, the loose pully just spun freely on the shaft, if you moved the flat belt over to the fast pully (using a fork selector) it would drive the machine.
Yeah, mower belts have fabric throughout the surfaces so you don't just melt rubber when slipping the belt. But it still worked, and they did say they would use regular car belts.
@@volvo09 its not the casing of the belt. its the belt itself. consider what torque is, and how its transmitted in a belt. theres teh pulley to belt friction, with a vee belt it wedges in there... and then it is solely down to cross section of the belt, the number of cords... tension. basically. an A section belt is good for 2hp, without slipping. they will slip before they snap. a lawnmower blade belt, generally a B section... takes about 5hp. "but my ride on mower has a 25hp engine, so nyer!" to spin a blade and merely snip the tips off grass takes sweet eff all power, so the belt is barely loaded. when you hit the heavy stuff, it starts loading down... think of what you can push a 5hp mower through by hand... and then when you actually clog it up? it simply slips. no damage done (i have a walker... damage equates to a few weeks and a LOT of money repairing gearboxes. dont get a walker with driveshafts) and the traction side of the ride on mower? its never really direct either. lots of power in the engine, but lot is wasted in just bearings, pulleys, losses here there and everywhere... and when buzzing around cleaning the turf its not really "producing" 25hp as its not loaded down. the governors keeping the throttle backed off despite you giving it full bunny... take the poxy lada to be 40hp.... one puny a section belt is extremely under-rated, it will , and does work... for about two laps of the driveway.
@@paradiselost9946 yeah I guess I described it wrong, as the (mower style) belt wears there is always that fabric stuff integrated throughout, so it is all the way through.
Theres an awesome channel called Robot Cantina! This channel takes literal generator/mower engines, predator 212, 420 and recently 670cc engines and install them in a few cars, honda insite, some saturn, and this new car too with the 670 cc engine. This video here is a bit more rudimentary compared to Robots, either way, this is really cool 😄🙏
I f@cking love your channel. You guys come up with the craziest ideas. I couldn't help but laugh every time those belts chirped. Everyone who's ever used a riding lawnmower knows that sound. 😂
Okay, how about another challenge? Take off the transmission and clutch, remove the drive shaft. Put a variable pump on the engine, and the hydraulic motor in the pinion. But wait, THERE’S MORE!!! Put two stacked pumps on the engine, remove the solid axle, and put a pair of hydraulic motors on the rear wheels. For a differential, run balancing hoses across the lines, left and right. Putting ball valves (for simplicity) into those balance lines will add something else. POSITIVE TRACTION! Closing the valves will force the wheels to turn at the same rate, where the open valves will allow the wheels to turn at different rates, because the balance lines will allow the fluid to go to the faster tire, or the one with less traction.
this is an example of smart thinking guys well thought out and put together. not everyone can put something together like this and it work. good job very interesting. kudos to all of you.
You should use a couple super heavy duty springs to hold tension on the belts at all times and flip the slave cylinder so it breaks contact with belts and pulleys when you press the pedal. Should feel like a squishy clutch maybe. And try snowmobile belts possibly.
DAF 33 variomatic drivetrain. A gem of a 1970's car with a vary speed 3 speed transmission drive using rubber belts. Also Ran as fast in reverse as forward.
@@mann_idonotreadrepliesthat’s funny while they’re used in the most rugged vehicles where breaking down can cost you your vehicle or life. Snowmobiles ,4x4 quads and utvs
i need a comeback with the diesel pump injected lada, it was such a cool invention of yours, i need to see more, could you possibly tune it to make even more power? the diesel pump injected lada engine seems to be pretty powerful, so i need to see more if you can perfect the tuning on it or something, maybe find pros and cons of the diesel pomp injection? because it can't be so easy power, it definitely has some cons to it, also i would liked to see the roofless niva with the driving position in the back again, that machine is really funny, and also huge thanks for being around for so long and thanks for making crazty stuff always, the last video with the 12kg weights in each tire was a lot of fun haha
After watching your steam powered car video (which I LOVED) ,I just wanted to suggest another alternative way to power the car that might be interesting. Try a Wood Gassifier, it's been used since the american industrial revolution and throughout the great depression. It essentially converts wood into flammable gas by carbonizing it instead of burning it. And an upside is by the time your done using the fuel wood you have perfectly carbonized pieces of wood you can use for smokeless cooking
If you have your clutch cable attach to the other side from where it attaches now and add a few strong expansion springs to tension the belt when the clutch is released, the car will drive as with a normal clutch.
I had a similar setup on a small homemade diesel tractor, push clutch pedal to release tension. Also it had diferent size pulleys to give it low and lower range. A single moveable tensioner made sure I only tensioned one belt at a time.
I actually made a go kart that uses a belt drive directly from the engine with a very small flywheel on the engine shaft and a big one on the wheel axle with an idler pulley on bearing and a hand brake lever as the tension mechanism to help while driving you just tighten the belt as you drive and it just stays tight until you lower the lever
'Robot Cantina' videos 😉, they do projects like installing a 670cc V-Twin Predator lawnmower engine in a classic Renault R10 (670cc motor & CVT linked to the R10's 4 Speed gearbox), or installing a 250cc single lawnmower engine, with a supercharger & CVT, in a Honda Insight 😏 😎🇬🇧
easy thing to fix having to push clutch reverse the spring to be above and move clutch cable below your welcome that should make it feel like regular car
Those belts are only god for horsepower transmission of like 7-10hp, if the engines is driven easy would be fine for around a farmers field but not long lived. Need a big nasty cog belt for longevity
I would mount the pulleys rigid, then, use spring loaded idler pullies, similar to those used in belt-driven snow blowers and roto-tillers. The belt between the engine flywheel and the transfer pulley can just be tensioned all the time, but the clutch pedal should release the tension on the belt between the transfer pulley and transmission input shaft. by using spring loaded idlers, it will automatically compensate for belt stretch and wear. they just simply press against the slack side of the belts, making them largely self-adjusting. The problem would be, that the engine could not hold the car back when you take your foot off the accelerator. The torque would be limited by the tension strength of the idlers, which would slip with the engine trying to slow the car. All go, no whoa.
Along those same lines, you can create a infinitely variable transmission with a rubber pickup wheel and a metal drive plate. Some self-propelled lawn mowers use this type of set up for varying the speed the mower travels. Probably will have trouble moving a car unless you get the friction just right.
just like cars with CVT gearbox. Two cones and large belt that gives you constant acceleration. Only thing stopping it from going full speed in reverse is likely a factory set rev limiter
How about taking just variator transmission from snow mobile or similar. You could drive without clutch!? Or using it just when it is stopped/standing for variator break. Although I'm pretty sure that will work as it is used also some tractors etc. Not sure how shifting gears would work, but I'm sure you guys would figure that part out too. 😂
I came up with a scheme not too different from this for a go kart once, only each belt did a different ratio and so it was a transmission... It never got built because of resources but it would be wild to see you guys pull it off.
That’s kind of how a tomos moped 2 speed works. There’s two gears and two clutches. Pretty simple. You may like to know they use cork friction material 😂 it’s like of garage 54 built a moped
I wouldn't say it's a 107% success but, maybe 101.5% The pedal has to work as expected. Make the springs pull the belts tight and use the pedal to unload it as with a normal clutch.
"Turning a Lada into a lawn mower one part at a time." Hoping this means you eventually fit a mower engine to that Lada and see how many gears it can go through!
Covert the alternator into a motor thats powered with the battery, and then see if it has enough power to start the engine. Maybe even see if it has enough power to move the car?
This would have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOÓOOOOOOOOOOOOÓOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much better if you would have used spring tension to hold the clutch engaged and then the clutch pedal to disengage ......
these guys always come back with the most ridiculous ideas, so much fun to watch
Most of it is viewer suggestions.
Its cool they experiment even if they know it's not a good idea these are they type of guys to accidentally find sum new
geniuses all of em
Yea we know we watch too
Simply the best & Hardest working Automotive Channel on UA-cam I Love this Channel
This is how self propelled push mowers work. When you clamp down on the handle that causes it to drive forward, it tensions a pulley from the engine to the wheels, and causes the mower to drive forwards under the engines own power.
For mine, when you clamp down on the handle it engages a clutch that spins the blades. Pushing the handle forward engages the wheel drive.
@@MushookieMana clutch for the blades is like unheard of. What kind of weird ass mower do you have?
@@user-vh7ki7xu7o I'm looking at a video of it now. It's a pulley/clutch system, the blade 'pulley wheel' is two plates, one is the input, and the other is the output. The other pulley wheel is actually an idler, and tensioning it engages the two halves of the clutch using a belt. ua-cam.com/video/VukTdf6vMbI/v-deo.html
@@MushookieMan thanks for the link. I was wondering what that would look like 👍
@christophercain7343
This is how certain riding mowers behave as well. On mine, it even functions as a rudimentary CVT.
Now put a lawnmower engine in it. LOL
Love to see you here.
Eagerly awaiting your next video
@@murmenaattori6 Thanks! Garage 54 does the stuff nobody else does... sort of.
You already have that covered :)
Another classic Garage54!
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You guys should try retrofit variable valve timing on a lada. I was thinking of using a bendix gear from a starter on the end of the camshaft. then you could pull the cam pulley in and out with the throttle to change the advance.
Yeah im curious about this too! normally it works with oil pressure.
What you are suggesting is meaningless. For the motors existing in the experiment have an OHC camshaft drive. They are outdated. And modern Lada motors have a drive
@@irgant maybe so. I'm not familiar with VVT. some of the most fun videos come from silly suggestions though.
Centrifugal advance variable valve timing
You should try making this 4x4
Old industrial machines used to be driven by line-shafting and flat (leather) belt - the first factory I worked in still had this, and the machines would have a fast and loose pully, the loose pully just spun freely on the shaft, if you moved the flat belt over to the fast pully (using a fork selector) it would drive the machine.
I'd like to see you guys build a rubber band powered car. I know you'd find a way to do it. I have faith in you.
Oh wow! A Lada-mower would be awesome!
The way you implemented the concept was the clever part.
Well done! It won't last long using accessory belts, but the theory is valid and being used today.
Yeah, mower belts have fabric throughout the surfaces so you don't just melt rubber when slipping the belt.
But it still worked, and they did say they would use regular car belts.
@@volvo09 its not the casing of the belt. its the belt itself.
consider what torque is, and how its transmitted in a belt.
theres teh pulley to belt friction, with a vee belt it wedges in there...
and then it is solely down to cross section of the belt, the number of cords... tension.
basically. an A section belt is good for 2hp, without slipping. they will slip before they snap.
a lawnmower blade belt, generally a B section... takes about 5hp. "but my ride on mower has a 25hp engine, so nyer!"
to spin a blade and merely snip the tips off grass takes sweet eff all power, so the belt is barely loaded.
when you hit the heavy stuff, it starts loading down... think of what you can push a 5hp mower through by hand...
and then when you actually clog it up? it simply slips. no damage done (i have a walker... damage equates to a few weeks and a LOT of money repairing gearboxes. dont get a walker with driveshafts)
and the traction side of the ride on mower? its never really direct either.
lots of power in the engine, but lot is wasted in just bearings, pulleys, losses here there and everywhere...
and when buzzing around cleaning the turf its not really "producing" 25hp as its not loaded down. the governors keeping the throttle backed off despite you giving it full bunny...
take the poxy lada to be 40hp.... one puny a section belt is extremely under-rated, it will , and does work... for about two laps of the driveway.
@@paradiselost9946 yeah I guess I described it wrong, as the (mower style) belt wears there is always that fabric stuff integrated throughout, so it is all the way through.
Theres an awesome channel called Robot Cantina! This channel takes literal generator/mower engines, predator 212, 420 and recently 670cc engines and install them in a few cars, honda insite, some saturn, and this new car too with the 670 cc engine. This video here is a bit more rudimentary compared to Robots, either way, this is really cool 😄🙏
I f@cking love your channel. You guys come up with the craziest ideas. I couldn't help but laugh every time those belts chirped. Everyone who's ever used a riding lawnmower knows that sound. 😂
A lot of us associate it with the alternator.
Okay, how about another challenge?
Take off the transmission and clutch, remove the drive shaft.
Put a variable pump on the engine, and the hydraulic motor in the pinion.
But wait, THERE’S MORE!!!
Put two stacked pumps on the engine, remove the solid axle, and put a pair of hydraulic motors on the rear wheels.
For a differential, run balancing hoses across the lines, left and right.
Putting ball valves (for simplicity) into those balance lines will add something else.
POSITIVE TRACTION!
Closing the valves will force the wheels to turn at the same rate, where the open valves will allow the wheels to turn at different rates, because the balance lines will allow the fluid to go to the faster tire, or the one with less traction.
Oh now that would be cool I hope they do it. I've always wondered at using hydraulics to replace shafts
Turn clutching/belt tension around back the right way with a spring on pedal will work perfect.💯
this is an example of smart thinking guys well thought out and put together. not everyone can put something together like this and it work. good job very interesting. kudos to all of you.
I figured that it would work because most riding lawn mowers use a belt clutch.
Read the description
You should use a couple super heavy duty springs to hold tension on the belts at all times and flip the slave cylinder so it breaks contact with belts and pulleys when you press the pedal. Should feel like a squishy clutch maybe. And try snowmobile belts possibly.
DAF 33 variomatic drivetrain.
A gem of a 1970's car with a vary speed 3 speed transmission drive using rubber belts.
Also Ran as fast in reverse as forward.
Cool story bro but it was not reliable. Even today I don't Trust belt drive transmissions.
@@mann_idonotreadrepliesthat’s funny while they’re used in the most rugged vehicles where breaking down can cost you your vehicle or life. Snowmobiles ,4x4 quads and utvs
@@mann_idonotreadreplies
Bro?
What are you 12 years old.
Top marks for putting the innocent bystander in your special car. He's a good sport.
Always something new with these guys
i need a comeback with the diesel pump injected lada, it was such a cool invention of yours, i need to see more, could you possibly tune it to make even more power? the diesel pump injected lada engine seems to be pretty powerful, so i need to see more if you can perfect the tuning on it or something, maybe find pros and cons of the diesel pomp injection? because it can't be so easy power, it definitely has some cons to it, also i would liked to see the roofless niva with the driving position in the back again, that machine is really funny, and also huge thanks for being around for so long and thanks for making crazty stuff always, the last video with the 12kg weights in each tire was a lot of fun haha
IIRC, the diesel pump needs the diesel fuel itself for internal lubrication. Gasoline won't do that but, it lasted long enough to prove the idea.
@@BlackPill-pu4vi aah i see, didn't know that, i really don't know how the diesel pumps work, but thanks
You could use a higher pressure petrol pump. The point is that diesel injection goes at a much higher psi than a standard lada petrol one.
@@eh6971 true
@@ytgamerczyou just want these Russian guys to play with gasoline at 1500 psi 😂 and they’ll do it too lol
I knew these guys were geniuses!
Ford Model T’s low speed clutch worked similarly, you pressed it to engage.
Hello Garage 54 !
Haha very nice. I've already wondered if that would work. Awesome video.👍👍
6 rib belt = no slippage.
That was absolutely amazing and it's what you can call "Creative Resourceful Imaginetivty" 👏.
This is one of my favorite channels, i absolutely love this channel.
After watching your steam powered car video (which I LOVED) ,I just wanted to suggest another alternative way to power the car that might be interesting.
Try a Wood Gassifier, it's been used since the american industrial revolution and throughout the great depression. It essentially converts wood into flammable gas by carbonizing it instead of burning it. And an upside is by the time your done using the fuel wood you have perfectly carbonized pieces of wood you can use for smokeless cooking
Now, make a gearbox that works more or less the same way with 2 or 3 pullys in different sizes and some on-way bearings.
Never understood the whole 107% thing, but I fucking love this channel
Can you make an episode of "starting a car from the wall outlet?" Where you remove a battery and supply voltage from an outlet receptacle?
If you have your clutch cable attach to the other side from where it attaches now and add a few strong expansion springs to tension the belt when the clutch is released, the car will drive as with a normal clutch.
Was thinking the same
I had a similar setup on a small homemade diesel tractor, push clutch pedal to release tension. Also it had diferent size pulleys to give it low and lower range. A single moveable tensioner made sure I only tensioned one belt at a time.
He found a sure fire way of not having your car stolen with the belt set up.
Yes, they will start it with clutch pushed down and probably crash before they realize what is different 😂
Another brilliant creation 👍
I actually made a go kart that uses a belt drive directly from the engine with a very small flywheel on the engine shaft and a big one on the wheel axle with an idler pulley on bearing and a hand brake lever as the tension mechanism to help while driving you just tighten the belt as you drive and it just stays tight until you lower the lever
Your name tells me you lied to people all your life did you tell your friends you had best car in town lol you a clown
'Robot Cantina' videos 😉, they do projects like installing a 670cc V-Twin Predator lawnmower engine in a classic Renault R10 (670cc motor & CVT linked to the R10's 4 Speed gearbox), or installing a 250cc single lawnmower engine, with a supercharger & CVT, in a Honda Insight 😏
😎🇬🇧
The sound !!!! LOL ... genious as usual. What about a betl driven transmision from engine to wheel like garden tractors ?
Daily that you'll have one buff left leg 😂
well done guys have you thought about belt drive from the trans to the rear drive. Ps Keep up the cool vids.
You should have tried spring loading it to make it work in the conventional way
cool build!
easy thing to fix having to push clutch
reverse the spring to be above and move clutch cable below your welcome that should make it feel like regular car
you might even be able to use a wider belt for less slip
Totally thought they were going the snowmobile type clutch route. That was way different than welding on a old Skidoo clutch.
The inverted clutch would make it harder to drive, but it makes the terminology easier: "engaged" = "pedal pushed in"
They could easily re engineer it to make the clutch work like normal
That works great.
Those belts are only god for horsepower transmission of like 7-10hp, if the engines is driven easy would be fine for around a farmers field but not long lived. Need a big nasty cog belt for longevity
Those belts held up really well - thats Gates belts for you...
and now a belt variable transmission!!!
A success!!!!
Hello! always enjoy your experiment. Can you replicate the scooter's cvt to adopt to automotive engine?
I would mount the pulleys rigid, then, use spring loaded idler pullies, similar to those used in belt-driven snow blowers and roto-tillers. The belt between the engine flywheel and the transfer pulley can just be tensioned all the time, but the clutch pedal should release the tension on the belt between the transfer pulley and transmission input shaft. by using spring loaded idlers, it will automatically compensate for belt stretch and wear. they just simply press against the slack side of the belts, making them largely self-adjusting. The problem would be, that the engine could not hold the car back when you take your foot off the accelerator. The torque would be limited by the tension strength of the idlers, which would slip with the engine trying to slow the car. All go, no whoa.
Could maybe do a CVT clutch like on a snow Mobile
Torque converter as a clutch on a manual transmission
Thay would be a cool one. But wouldnt it still creep forward at idle once you released the brake like an auto? Not sure if they ever fully disengage 🤔
Yes would be interesting.
@@jblob5764I think you would still be able to safely pop it into neutral on idle.
I worked at a British Lada dealership in the 80's!!!!
Hello! Can you show what to replace the hidravlic rail with if it leaks, or how to stop the leak?
Along those same lines, you can create a infinitely variable transmission with a rubber pickup wheel and a metal drive plate. Some self-propelled lawn mowers use this type of set up for varying the speed the mower travels. Probably will have trouble moving a car unless you get the friction just right.
DAF 33 Variomatic system.
The car was as fast in reverse as forward. 😂
Belt drive trans are absolute garbage Long term or Long distance
just like cars with CVT gearbox. Two cones and large belt that gives you constant acceleration. Only thing stopping it from going full speed in reverse is likely a factory set rev limiter
How about taking just variator transmission from snow mobile or similar. You could drive without clutch!? Or using it just when it is stopped/standing for variator break. Although I'm pretty sure that will work as it is used also some tractors etc. Not sure how shifting gears would work, but I'm sure you guys would figure that part out too. 😂
I like it when my shaft is sitting on bearings.
The reinvention of the DAF 44.
Vlad, you are looking good with the weight loss. You are also looking younger than your old self. 👍
Maybe try a centrifugal clutch from a snowmobile
With this type of clutch, people will welcome sitting in traffic LOL!
I came up with a scheme not too different from this for a go kart once, only each belt did a different ratio and so it was a transmission... It never got built because of resources but it would be wild to see you guys pull it off.
That’s kind of how a tomos moped 2 speed works. There’s two gears and two clutches. Pretty simple. You may like to know they use cork friction material 😂 it’s like of garage 54 built a moped
Best channel ever...hahaaa cool...love it!!!
I wouldn't say it's a 107% success but, maybe 101.5%
The pedal has to work as expected. Make the springs pull the belts tight and use the pedal to unload it as with a normal clutch.
Accual Testing of a cvt transmission!
Is that how CVT works or do they use any other clutch or torque converter
If you have to press both the throttle and the clutch, why not incorporate both on to one peddle, could this work?
Another wacky idea i never would have imagined!
How about a CVT drivetrain. Like one found in a snowmobile or UTV? No transmission or clutch disc. Just the two variable pulleys.
And this will be more reliable than a CVT transmission from a new Nissan. 😂
Use a belt clutch to turn rear wheels for a AWD style arrangement
Next up; the friction disc variable transmission too... :P
The first time I used a CAT forklift with a similar arrangement, press forward to go forward and reverse for reverse, I almost took a wall down.
"Turning a Lada into a lawn mower one part at a time." Hoping this means you eventually fit a mower engine to that Lada and see how many gears it can go through!
What if u replace coolant with oil for coolant system?
basically a CVT style manual transmission
Couldn't you incorporate some sort of lever system to invert the clutch function
ethanol-koh electrolyte for metal-air carbon felt fuel cell, -114C anti-freezing temp
notice the leak at the end of the video lol
Can you make one car with as manny of your DIY builds together? But it must be driveable xD
So they reinvented cvt?
now the brakes that needs to be pressed to disangage :D
So a cvt?
Disc, friction transmission?
I was soo much looking for some clutch burnout :(
Covert the alternator into a motor thats powered with the battery, and then see if it has enough power to start the engine. Maybe even see if it has enough power to move the car?
I want to work at that shop! Pleeeease let me!!!
I'd like to see them rig up a clutch to the gas pedal. Press the gas, clutch connects.
That's done already. They call it centrifugal clutch.
the input shaft of the Transmission wasn't designed for a sideways load, I suspect it would eventually destroy the bearing. But cool experiment!
I predict rubber smoke, just straight off the bat
lol, that's a cool idea.
This would have been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOÓOOOOOOOOOOOOÓOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much better if you would have used spring tension to hold the clutch engaged and then the clutch pedal to disengage ......
You guys should do this but on an automatic transmission
We would love to see the best ways to get better gas mileage. Use a lawn mower carburetor etc .
Pop some bark off pine tree and take a dab of that sap and under the belt and it won’t slip it make noise
Try A CVT Transmission next ❤❤
If you ever come back to this experiment use a thicker belt or serpentine.