HONDA CIVIC HYBRID !!COMEBACK!! STILL STALLS / TCM NO COMM PART 1
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In today's video, we revisit this 2007 Honda Civic Hybrid. In the last video we fixed a problem with a faulty charging system. The vehicle is back and it's still stalling. This time we have a no communication problem with the automatic cvt transmission control module or TCM. Is this the same problem that we fixed in the first video? or is this a whole other problem all together? Join along as I take you step by step through my diagnostic process and we try and fix this vehicle.
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Today i took a look at my inlaws civic. They were scared they had bad batteries or something. It was showing the same symptoms but something was telling me there was something wrong with the 12v battery. I drove it to autofone and scanned it. Code came back from low voltage on the abs system. I noticed a vacuum leak and the battery terminals were loose. I also pulled out every single fuse (one at a time) and cleaned everything up in the fuse box. I than went back to autofone and had the battery tested. It checked out good and i put it back into the car and tightened down and fixed the vaccum leak and it seems to have fixed it. The car is running good and its charging again.
Hy! The oil you find in the ECU plug is coming thru the wires insulation from the oil pressure switch of the engine,or from the oil pressure switch of the steering pump.You must search.Allso you must remove the cover of the ecu because it might be full of oil inside the ecu.Been there myself.
Make sense and is logical!! Now I wait for Part-2.
Yes i see this on lots of Mercedes and Opel cars.Oil getting from the sensor into the ecm.Open the ecm i bet its full of engine oil.
AD VW GROUP TO THE LIST GUYS...DONT LEAVE THEM OUT..I CANT UPLOAD PHOTOS OF THE NUMEROUS TIMES I FOUND LIQUIDS INSIDE THE ENGINE ECU.......
in the past,Peugeot had the same fault, usualy coolent though
Mercedes is normally transmission Oil truth the condocter plate inside the transmission 😊
It runs inside the insulation of the wires from the transmission to the TCU in the footwell
nice man you doing great with these content.I just want to let you know I like your videos because its real world experience, how you document your real life procedure how you do it step by step and your thought process in it, its very unique very different from the popular youtubers like chrisfix,scotty. I don't personally own honda like in this video or nissan gtr witch i still like about it i hope you upload about that video or not but it would be great if you do.I own a bmw. I watch your videos not so i could fix it myself but i actually want to know what is happening I would still rather hired a mechanic to do the job. So keep posting your daily routine since you really prove you a really a true mechanic vlogger even with your low subscribers or view but you have nothing to lose you just helping people in some way or another thats all it matters.I hope you do more super cars and european cars in the mix too it will be very great content. DON"T CHANGE YOUR WAY of video recording no cuts if unnecessary just the whole real life process its very unique AND RAW even ppl might say chrisfix might actually be the same but yours is very different its RAW and real. I hope you keep vlogging your daily experience step by step and detail cause its very real experience and unique atm
This guy was a great find! Unlike the "popular" clowns you mentioned....
They are popular among the most inexperienced in automotive repair and maintenance , I know I certainly can't listen to them!
Today, YT randomly suggested me this video and you did a great work investigating this problem. It does seem like the infamous oil problem, where oil gets pushed through the copper wires inside the insulation and causing here weird behaviour of the AT module.
To answer your question why the problem is solved after half an hour or after disconnecting the battery: When the AT module acts up its TEC (Transmit error counter) is increased for each failed CAN transmission, so sending incomplete messages or not sending ACKs etc. When the TEC then reaches a certain value, it enters bus off state, which you can probably see with your scanner inside the ECM and the dash lighting up and and no longer indicates speed. (This I think is also the reason why you can't talk to the TCM with the scanner.) If you now let the CAN bus shutdown and the CAN controller inside the modules reset itself the communication will be restored until the same thing happens again.
Dude some many times this happens. All ok with technician but messed up as soon as with the customer. I've experienced it and it's a bad feeling. Feeling your pain. Great job Eric
Most people including me could not do this video without profanity! Way to keep it clean! (or well edited) You have super troubleshooting skills! Thanks for the education!
You are a genius , i own a delalership in Alabama , got one like this one 2006 , customer driving by he heard a snap sound and it went rolling no engagment of transmission , we towed it to our lot and he bought another car and we have it , for a trade in, transmission is full of fluid , no burning , engine perfect battery weak but works , and we will try diagnosing it may be it is a simple issue , if not it goes to parts in our yard, thank you much for this treasure if info.
Great videos!! yOUR ARE AN EXPERT ON THE WIRING DIAGRAMS,AND SCAN TOOL,Thanks for going into detail ,I can learn a lot from watching your videos!!
Hi Erick.. I have a Honda civic hybrid 1.3 2006 almost thesame problem.. I can shift all the time.. And i also found oil in the same connector as you did.. Thanks for your video i could find the issue that causing lost com with tcm.. From.Mexicali,Mexico Franco Perez..
That was probably Scotty Kilmer honking at you at the intersection in his Toyota
Hahaha!
😂
As Nijloveanu, I would check which componants are going to the oily connector, oil wicking along the copper of the wire is possible. (have seen it)
I am addicted to your content .....I have a problem lol
Thank you for the support! I truly appreciate it.
I always admire your troubleshooting skills. You should be teaching with your abilities.
i agree with the last post from nijloeanu, the oil can wick up the wire to the ecu, bmw crank and cam sensors do the same thing, check the wiring diagram for any sensors that are in contact with engine or gearbox oil, good luck buddy.
just a quick edit, that looks to clean to be engine oil, im guessing its trans fluid.
Wow, that is weird! Do you have any scientific proof or supporting scientific documentation in this phenomenon? Does the oil pass along the outside of the wire or between the copper and the insulation? Sounds unbelievable, but in the right circumstances, perhaps it can resemble 'capillary action'.
I had the same problem with my 2008 honda civic hybrid. I didn't jump like he is jumping because I don't know how to jump like that but I did put a brand new engine battery and that fixed all my problems.
That car is missing all the plastic covers. Liner fender and bottom of bumper is naked as well. You can see the floor and the driver side tire from above. Lots of liquids and other elements are coming thru those holes. Hybrid cars are full of plastic covers on the bottom
Yeah bro you have a great attitude facing the same vehicle again right after he paid you, wow. Awesome troubleshooting, thanks for the CAN Bus tutorial!!
I remember mercedes automatic transmision that ATF travelled from the wires insulation up to the transmision module
Отличная работа по устранению неисправностей! Сложный сбой ... Я бы открыл блок управления, возможно, увидит проблему.
Open wiring harnesses. I want to understand where the oil comes from!
Hi guys..
i have 2006 Civic Hybrid, ran into problems and i solved it and also echo many of what you have stated above.
my story:
combi meter lit up like Christmas tree.
when cold the car ran ok, but with heat soak or long idle, the car fails and these codes are present
P16D6
P060A
P16D5i confirmed by having ice water and when the car failed, i cooled down the ECU with the ice water and it fixed the car temporary, then it over heated again.
ended up reading more on the net and found a used ECU.
got the keys reprogrammed and all is fine.
sounds like many of us have had this problem.
Thanks for sharing Eric👍
This is getting more interesting, I wonder why would a bad PCM act after the engine reaches it's true operating temperature, why not on cold start-up, maybe the PCM requires a physical inspection of the circuit boards😉
Looking forward to the fix👍
Stay safe Bro❤
Most cars have a preprogrammed mix until it can adjust
Bean there done that .
I was right there with you .
Well done getting back .
The civic hybrid is sure a gem of weird stuff.
Mine got broken into a few nights ago, guy left the overhead light on and completely drained the batteries. Tried to start it and nothing. Gave it a boost and it started but no IMA battery charging at all and error lights.
Tried recharging the 12v battery and the car was able to start on its own but didn't charge the main battery still. Read online to try driving it for a bit then shutting it off and turning it back on (seems sketchy but it works) and when i tried it took me 2 attempts of shutting it off but the battery started charging again and its been good ever since.
Basically if you have that same problem as me, try and charge up the 12v a bit and then drive it around the block a few times if possible and then shut it off and back on (might have to do it a couple times). However if the 12v is too low you may lose functions at stop signs such as power steering.
I have a 2012 civic 60K miles and knock on wood No IMA issues. They used a different battery chemistry in the 2012-2015 models and I guess improved the IMA reliability too. Still get 50+ MPG on a regular basis and no battery degradation so that's good
Not to be an ass but it's kind of fun to see a much better mechanic than me stuck in an intersection! :)
Only thing that changes after some miles driven under the hood is temperature. Where PCM/TCM is. I would try to warm it (PCM) with a heardryer and see can it provoke the problem. Could lose ground or power on something because of heat. After a while it cool down and Kontakt is back.
i was thinking the same love my heatgun! great in winter for heating my frozen fingers aswell!!! :D
Very thorough and knowledgeable yet direct to the point with no fluff. I like your videos.
Dear Mr. Eric, it looks like it is a PCM heat related issue and maybe there is a layer pack of oil inside the PCM that is for cooling purpose which starts to leak due to excessive heat and causes such symptoms considering the location of the PCM in the stove engine compartment instead of being located in the center dashboard console which indicates either a design error or intentionally made this way to be compatible with manufacturer's obsolescence directives. Enjoy your tine & take care.
I had this fault many moons ago with a land rover defender TD5, harness from rocker cover was leaking engine oil and the capillary effect happened, basically it traveled throughout the inside of the wiring all the way back to the ECU. New harness and ECU fault fixed.
Great video once again 👍👍
Yep i've heard of this too,not something that immediately comes to mind,unless you've come across it!
What about the sensor that was feeding the oil? How long did it take for the replacement harness to fill with oil and feed the ECU? Probably more than 30 days.
Great case study. Looking forward to the solution.
GREAT DIAGNOSIS. To add to here: It looks like a bad PCM. Hondas are known for PCMs going bad and making the transmission behave wonky. I've changed a few. But first. I would attach a couple of incandescent light bulbs as test lights to the powers and grounds...and some tiny 6 volt incandescent bulbs to the 5 volt references that to go the transmission. And put all the bulbs under the wiper arm...and drive it until it goes bad. This way you would see if it is one of those lines going down. And why incandescent bulbs? Because incandescent bulbs load the circuit slightly. I once caught a 5 V ref going low with no sensors connected on a Buick, once it was driven for a short while. It was a bad PCM.
use a heat gun to heat the ecu to see if the car acts up while you are in your drive way just a though
Helpful advice!
Hammer that pcm and see.
I just fixed the same charging problem with a civic hybrid. I own a shop here in Houston called “Hybrid & EV depot”. You are knowledgeable but I don’t know if you are just entertaining viewers to get views but your diagnostic procedure jumps right away to complex schematic analyzation and stuff. I fixed mine for good in and figured the problem in less than 20 minutes. I also have s tip and don’t share this by making video ok? ….never mind I should not you might make a video of it.
Excellent diagnosis ALO I hope the new ECM works. Looks thermal to me, predictable when running.
Where I live and go for a test drive if the car stops, I might have to wait an hour before someone comes along. 😂🇨🇦
Hey man another excellent video, I can totally relate with you on the people honking at you when broken down it happens here in the UK too 🤣 looking forward to the update on this 👍
You would make a great teacher at automotive trouble shooting 👍👍👍👍
Yes he would a should consider it!
Being bilingual would be a huge advantage!
Listening to you speak English, I wouldn't have a clue you know Spanish until I hear you speak it.
I feel for you! Frustrating. Although I shuddered every time I saw you set the ECM next to the + post of the battery. was waiting for it to explode, although that would have cinched the diagnosis!
So even when he does find the source of the oil in the plug what’s he going to have to do replace the engine wiring harness along with all fluid sensors?? This guy has some good videos. He goes far more beyond than a average shop would. They’d drive it 15 minutes no issue and send it
Good thought about a connector that got wet. First thing I considered is whether somebody was there before with dielectric grease. Or, maybe there's a leaking cap inside (as you just mentioned as I was typing, ha ha). You had me laughing at the moment in the intersection, I've been there more than once. You don't realize how ignorant people are until you meet them when you're down.
Had similar I encountered 2006 civic hybrid with multiple DTC have similar approach diagnostic procedure & end up fixed it with faulty gauge module assembly...
Just another vehicle to add to my "never work on" list🤯
I’ve seen a similar issue with vw only with the engine coolant Working its way through most of the wiring harness, technical term for this is coolant migration on Causes all kinds of electrical issues
Hei man i had same problem, you have to go under the car, and clean the ground wires and add new screw from coper. This did it in my case...
Good job Erica
Had a problem on my 09 Crv......where different codes came up, bought a sin relay, but before installing, I tested the negative cable from the battery and I could turn it. Took apart cleaned used new screw and problems went away. I noticed on your Honda there is a new end on the negative cable, has this been tested? Jim
Wiggle the shifter when trans green indicator acts ups.
That’s crazy I didint think that refilling my a/c would cause harm after all figured just had a small leak time to add some this year. Drove it down the street after getting refrigerant stopped at a market real quick left after on with the wife . Came back engine running ac running but park indicator gone and couldn’t shift. My first instinct was wft some computer is acting up after the recharge ? So I unplugged the battery plugged back in. It let me drive home before it stalled, crazy stuff man but crazy to see a/c as one of your codes
It’s a bad ECM. I had a problem similar to this with my 2008 Element SC. Had it at the dealership 12 times till a Honda mechanic over heard the conversation and said he had only seen it once in his 20 years as a Honda mechanic. Although is super rare for Honda’s, it does happen.
I have the exact same car with the exact same problem!
Eric I just enjoy your videos for mount of information that you iccorporate into them. They are excellent. If you replace the ECM/PCM WILL you show us the reprogram. Also what model scan tool are you using?. Eric keep us posted because the newer the vehicles get the more complex they are. Also what wiring diagram program are you using? Hope you don’t mind the questions just find your videos to be some of the best. Thanks much you and family st ay well Artie ❤️🙏
Did customer spilled cofee or soda in the shifter area down to the shifter
Just tell the customer that he drives a piece of junk! Well if you didn’t, he knows now. 😂
This is how it is in the Diagnosis world!!!
Exactly! Thank you!
The second I discovered that the tcm was integrated into the ecm I would have had powers and grounds backprobed to that “pcm” and would have test drove it and watched for power or ground dropout during the intermittent symptom. If that would have checked out then I could confidently call a faulty ecu. I like checking my power/ground supplies dynamically.
This vid makes me grateful I found a civic hybrid with a manual trans lol
Your presentation is much improved. Good job.
That must be so frustrating as a mechanic giving back a car ^here its fixed^
Than dies in front of you as client drives away. It definitely doesn't help because mechanics have a bad reputation because shity lube techs thinking they are mechanics throwing parts like mad
Wow what a video
I feel u r on right track.
Could also share internal situation of ECU in part 2
And very informative on CAN communication 👌👌
I owned a 2012 Prius that worked trouble-free for several years until one day the flashers/turn signals started flashing non-stop. My mechanic finally found a probable short in the wiring inside the dash (10 hour job to open dash) after being in the shop for a month. Thousands of dollars to fix, including a new BCM that evidently was damaged because of the fault. So I sold it asap thereafter. Although the Civic hybrid is different from the Toyota system, the bottom line is when a hybrid vehicle ages, they can become very expensive to repair.
The comments bro! The oil! I would definitely go looking for the source.
I will be going over this in part 2. Thanks for watching!
Oil travelling through cabel it's common problem bei new vehicles, for example under pressure from VANOS to Lambda Sensor and ECU in Mercedes, what causes many DCL.
Mine was acting up like this. And I did the speed sensor. Front black 180$ at honda, solved it. So far so good 👍. And mine was acting up the most, when it was 🌧 raining. I know weird. I did grounds, refresh. It seems good now. Knock on wood 😴.
You have good vids! You teach. Others don't at least not to this degree. You make better vids than South Main Auto and I like Eric.
Don't worry about blabbering, you notice stuff.
Did you notice the wheel arch protection is missing.
Excellent video my friend. I will be waiting for part 2.
42:18 Ugh, so careless with the PCM and its proximity to the positive battery terminal!
43:00 ***CRINGE*** setting the metal PCM down on top of the 12v battery, near shorting distance.
Thanks for the fascinating video, however. I have experience with this very problem-will watch the next video before commenting further.
I had a Honda civic that acted up when it would rain. Rain getting in ecm. It had trans problem and running problem all intermittent. 2013 Honda
You need a can of Freon that you should be able to get from an online electronics supply source online. Also watch Diagnose Dan videos. He had a case study where a component acted up and he was able to make it act normally with Freon. Making it act normally didn’t solve the problem but helped him diagnose the problem.
My friend owned one of these. The engine made a rather audible clicking noise but never was able to figure it out. Drived completely normally tho. Him and i were driving to work one day and the engine bay atarted to smoke. We stopped and the cabin immediately started filling with smoke and we bailed FAST. car ended up catching fire with 10 foot flames 😂
The Louis Rossman of car repair.
Very informative
See you took it for a ride, I would have started by wiggling wires and connectors, look at and put my hands on the grounds
Had a Ford Focus just with a similar Issue - Coolant at the PCM Connector - it was coming through the Wiring from the Coolant Temp Sensor
Had the same issue. My car died during the driving test at DMV. turned out to be a loose ground screw on a ground strap. I believe it was body to trans ground strap. One of those anyway. Hope this helps somebody.also feel free to contact me if you have any issue with your HCH 2. IM currently swapping the brake master cylinder on it. Unfortunately I did not make a video. Maybe there is still time though
Very good job,, hey thanks a lot for the info very good video.. I really hope you get it fixed for your time and the customer..
Looks like a wickid wicking, Did the ATX connector at the ATX have fluid in it as well?
The Chysler cross eyed and the Mercedes counterpart are know for putting ATF up under the passengers feet where the ATX computer and the Stereo amp are causing CAN COM faults. simple fix is to clean the wires and silicon them : else replace the solenoid pack and clean the floor pan...... Ca Ching $$$$$
I seen a video about that before .
I have a 2006 Honda civic hybrid I know nothing about cars but mine was doing the same exact thing and I took the pcm out and the plug was filled with oil so from the other issues with the oil sensor going bad offer I'm assuming that's where it's coming from. Exactly the same plug as his. I'm going to try and clean it and put it back and see what happens. Good luck everyone
minimo....wow thank you masther eric for sharing ........i like your channel and i learned with your channel........question. after check the main relay. the circuit. no can be the main realy get hot and stop woriking............thank you.......forever and ever......
I have a problem like this on Accord CL9, intermitent, but with other codes related to shift solenoids, all tests passed,I replaced the solenoids, check all the wires and connections,pcm is up to date with no damage. I am looking for a PCM now 37820-RBB-E57.
I dont see this to be work for you but your hobby. You are just great.Can't wait for part 2. How do I get hold of wiring diagrams?
Yk Mulwanda pay
liviu2004 you beat me to the 🤜
Yes wires will wick oil if pressure switches are bad
Great job
I think someone has been at this before you. The plastic covers on the connectors look damaged and that original ground connector didn't loosen itself!
Nice one 👍 you open my brain thanks boss, more videos to help us
I think Mobil 0w20 synthetic oil got inside the connector lol. Probably oil change shop drop some accidentally in there. Shorted the pcm.
Mercedes sprinter vans are known for transmission fluid wicking through wire connected to the transmission. Upwards defying gravity
Good job man. What and adventure driving in a car that quits constantly. Could you open the old ECM/TCM when you have replaced it ?. Probably the TCM is giving up after a certain amount of glitches going into protected mode or something you can clear taking the power out. Not an auto tech, but worked in a body control module long ago, they have THREE separe grounds and powers, that is because it control so many thing that they need to be fused independently. But in the case i'm telling you, the logic was feed from the three power using diodes, so you need to blow all the fuses to kill the logic section. Putting the two inside the same case could make sense, it reduces costs. (for the manufacturer ... RIP owner.).
better than a dectective movie
oil can travel in wires, have seen this problem in Mercedes wiring
Pill back the passenger side carpet and count the flashes from the red LED on the ECM. Oh that was 1989 Honda CRX. Long story short transmission is f***** and input output correlation issue.
Good job 👍 bro
Someone probably during a previous mulfunction sprayed some kind of wd40 on the sockets or it is dielectric grease from the capacitors inside the ecm due to overheating.
I have seen this before on a toyota the oil is traveling in the wire insulation from a oil pressure sender..strange yes ..but true.
I don't know how mechanics are able to work on today's vehicles, as complicated they have become!
Erick, eso es exactamente lo que le esta pasando a mi civic desde la semana pasada 15 de enero, BRO finalmente cual el problema en ese auto? podriaa darme luz de como saber por donde caerle para arreglar el mio igual gracias por subir tus videos son muy buenos
en este caso era una computadora defectuosa.
@@ADVANCEDLEVELAUTO Yo tengo el mismo problema con mi Honda Civic 2006 pero que le debo de hacer para arreglar el problema por favor si alguien sea tan amable necesito arreglar mi carro
Contamination on that PCM might be coming from the missing wheel well lining. Or the resin inside the PCM is breaking down due to internal heat.
Mine is missing, making me wonder
47:35 Similar experience here. I had the complete legal right of way and driving completely within the law, yet another driver decides to run a stop sign going over 50 mph in a 30 mph zone, which broadsided my vehicle. Despite the fact that a few friendly bystanders did come to my aid (because I needed medical attention), drivers kept speeding by, some cursing at me, and even others threw cans and plastic bottles. And the other driver? Other than admitting fault way after I was carried into the ambulance on a stretcher, the other driver did nothing, despite being a medical doctor. Yes, this happened in the same city you're in.
I'm glad your ok. I've seen some bad accidents in this city. Last Sunday I saw a guy on a motorcycle run over by an 18 wheeler. His body was splattered all over the intersection. I still can't get the image out of my mind. It was so sad. I pray for him and his family.
@@ADVANCEDLEVELAUTO Oh no! Terribly sorry you had to witness something like that. I was an LEO about 20 yrs ago when I had dealt with things like that almost every week. Many prayers to the rider's family and others who've suffered similar losses.
AFA your channel goes, It's great that you have decided to stick with auto repair. If you are still accepting trustworthy and reliable customers for feasible auto service and/or repair, my mother has a car that's very easy to work on and well maintained. I've actually maintained the car, but I'm relocating to another state and would like her to have a reliable mechanic to do business with. Thanks again for the great content and have a safe week forward.
Hey Erick, before you go any further, you need to check out that new "wrench light" that came on, that could be a good place to start.
That's just the maintenance required light, it's been 7,500 miles since last oil change.
@@serge4856 Oh, Ok.
On my MB E350 the ECM is on top of the engine, cam sensors/actuators on the front of each head. Sounds crazy but if an actuator or sensor leaks into the harness , oil can migrate upwards all the way to the ECM.
I guess second check might be to open up that harness to see if oil is present.
I will go over this in part 2. Thank you for the info!