Man, thanks for this video. It really helped me with speed. I started using my middle finger instead of my index and has made a world of difference. Thanks..
Lol I started doing the middle finger too after watching this video. I was a big pinky out index especially with buzz rolls dude and slowly fixing it and it’s different but is better technique
It seems counter-intuitive to me to not use your strongest (index) finger in your grip. Why did you stop using it as your fulcrum and how have you found making the adjustment? :)
@@RealBesty I used to think that too, but then I noticed cats like Colaiuta, Deitch, DiCense, etc having relatively looser grips with the forefinger, especially during double-strokes.
Rob: "Are you having trouble with your doubles?" Me: "I don't think so, but I feel like I'm about to find out I am." Thanks, man. Great video. Love your stuff.
@@abc456f I've played a drum kit for 30 years, in cover bands and church but I've not really played anything where I've needed to learn or play rudiments. I gig most weekends year round but since all my gigs got cancelled from mid-March due to Coronavirus I have deliberately not practiced or played on my kit. In the last 10 years that I've been gigging solidly I've only ever practiced to learn new songs but I've decided to use the virus quarantine to only practice rudiments and only on a pad. My right hand is pretty good but my left hand is horrible. Way too much tension and elbow movement and way slower than the right. If I had two right hands I could probably play doubles at 200bpm but the fastest I can play doubles and keep my lefts and rights even is about 130. I'm only practicing variations of doubles and paradiddles because lets face it, I've gotten by for 30 years without even knowing what most of the rudiments are even called.
Lol its flipped for me. My left feels seamless, my right is a like a drunk trying to walk the straight line test - all over the place! I'm working on it though.
I saved four or five of robs more basic lessons to my UA-cam library and I go back to those daily and my left hand has shown definite improvement. In fact I do a lot of these lessons only with my left hand because my right is in pretty good shape.
I've been doing this exercise for a couple of weeks now, and the results are showing. Thanks Rob. I use it with a metronome and building up gradually the snapping motion. Great exercise
You are a great teacher! Your advise makes sense. It is hard to find a teacher who knows so well the early mistakes that beginners encounter and who advises how to get over these impediments. I'm greatly appreciative!
I dig it. First came across this way of emphasizing the 2nd stroke of this sticking back in the 1970s when some other drummers and I were analyzing the double strokes played by Mitch Mitchell, Jimi Hendrix's drummer, so I appreciate your explanation of how to practice this stroke. Thanks Doc!
Man Rob, you’re great. My drum teacher I had 40 years ago should have had you for an instructor. I’ve watched about 10 of your videos and I’m really impressed. I’m not happy with some of UA-cam’s policies but man how guys like Rob are brought to the masses is fantastic. Intelligence, communication skill, musicianship, and a sense of humor (just watched a video where Rob had his timer for some ribs he was smoking ... awesome). Quite a unique, very likable talent. Thanks for doing what you are doing. My kit was collecting dust for 5 years... it’s not now.
Thanks Rob!!!! Been playing drums since I was 10, I'm now 45, and this is the first time I've actually understood how a double feels. Can't wait to see what happens with a month of shed time. I'll keep you posted. Your style of teaching resonates with me keep up the great work!
Rob: once again your videos are very helpful and practical. When I went to the US Marine Corps Drum & Bugle Corps School after Bootcamp, they taught us to NOT to Practice the Double-stroke roll with the usual RR LL RR LL Sticking. Instead, we were taught to practice with this sticking; RL--LR--RL--LR starting at a Full Stroke (Hi) Stick Height. We were told that this sticking Totally eliminates ANY Bounced Roll, and also eliminates the tendency to play the Long Roll with a Louder First stroke, followed by a softer or weaker Second Stroke as in Rr Ll Rr Ll.
Thank you,thank you, thank you!!! I am 55 and have been learning to play the drums since May '23. My drum teacher is currently on his summer holidays and I've been given 'homework' to do while he is away. One part is to work on getting my bpm up for my doubles. I've given this a go and it's already helping. I am thrilled!! I will now binge watch all of your videos. Amazing explanations, thank you 😁😁
Just started to pick up drumming and I’ve been completely bypassing drumeo in favor of your videos. The way you explain things makes so much sense! Thanks for the help you’re amazing
Drumeo might be the "Holy Grail", but as a beginning drummer (at 48!) I find a lot of their videos teach basic concepts without sufficient explanation, or they make advanced techniques look deceptively simple, again without sufficient explanation. Case in point, this topic which Mr. Brown spent 10-minutes presenting with an in-depth explanation would be a two-minute video on Drumeo. Of course the whole point of Drumeo's channel is not to actually teach drums but to push to you to their subscription website where you will presumably get the more complete lessons.
Hey Rob, I started on drums over 20 years ago & learnt by ear as best as i could.. never had a lesson or knew other drummers (lived in a remote area of Australia) .... I never knew what rudiments etc. even were - but always wanted to improve my playing. So your videos are amazing to me! I really enjoy your approach, style and have a sense of connection watching you. It inspired me to get a new kit & also use my electro kit for practice. I feel like I've improved even before I try your exercises! So thanks again, just wanted to show my appreciation. Look fwd to yr Next video! Thx mate.
Like you, I'm a self-taught (and Aussie) drummer who's played for a long time but never really practiced rudiments. Since all my gigs are cancelled I'm determined to use the Rona quarantine to finally practice some basic rudiments. I can feel, see and hear the difference after a week.
Rob, you're a great communicator, very articulate and relatable. And I appreciate your visuals and clear direction. The exercises you offered might give my fingers some magic.
Best drum teacher in the world.. I'm teaching myself, every time I come to this site with a problem. Rob explains it best. Thanks man, really appreciated!
Amen brother! First minute is straight dope. Singles, doubles, single paradiddle are all you need for a career. Until you want to get some. I dig confidence.
Excellent, Rob. I wanted to tell you that what has helped my doubles immensely harkens back to the 20 minute double stroke workout you posted a while back. But what I did instead was start with a SINGLE stroke on the downbeat. So what you have is: LRRL LRRL LRRL LRRL etc. (or RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR etc.). Man, I did THAT for twenty minutes with the click, nice and even. I guess it's sort of based on something I probably saw in the "Accents and Rebounds" book some years ago, but it has definitely helped me. Thanks for all your great, inspiring videos.
Back in the 60s we read magazines instead of looking at youtube videos and I can recall reading maybe in Downbeat Magazine a drummer comment on the lovely double stroke roll another drummer (that other drummer could have been Joe Morello because Brubeck's "Take Five" helped introduce Joe as a big shot drummer and Morello had a wonderful roll). He commented that he supposed the other drummer was accenting the second beat just a little more. As for me, I was having difficulty "crushing" the roll. I found playing in 3 helped me crush it. Then I went on to the crush roll in 2. I could have used your videos back in the 60s, but then, that was before you were born! Keep up the good work.
I am a begginner almost reaching intermidiate level and it's thanks to you. So helpful. I take notes in my notebook of every detail. I feel like in an institute with you. I watched you on Drumeo and the only thing I regret it"s that I did not know of your channel before. Thank you and I do appreciate this
Thank you, kindly squire. I also tried using my index or middle finger to hold the stick and to my delight it’s upgraded my speed. Splendid new idea, my dear fellow. Regards from an Irish git in Hungary.
dude, WTF! i'm 64, been playing drums on and off for 30 years and i've never really nailed doubles until now. that simple trick of putting the accent on the second hit changed everything, now i'm getting much smoother consistent rolls. i'm not perfect yet but i definitely feel i've broke through the wall. thank you so much.
Rob brown....you have hit the nail on the head...always had trouble with double strokes.....thank you for the exercise...will let you know on my progress.....
As a marching drummer, I can’t tell if Rob also has marching experience based on his hands but there’s a lot of similarities between the way I used to hear things during my career and the way Rob says a lot of things on video. Makes it easy for someone like me to start bridging the gap into a whole new style. Love and appreciate the middle finger fulcrum comment, I generally didn’t start hearing that until after high school and it’s a game changer, especially for double strokes. At the beginning of the video I was thinking to myself “If he says his exercise for this is double beat I stg” 😂
Lots of similarities. Middle finger fulcrum is also great for power playing, easier on the hands. Not great for playing super fast though cuz finger control is lacking. It's good to know both fulcrums.
FINALLY INSTURCTION ON WHATS HAPPENING WITH THE FINGERS. BEEN PLATING FOR EVER AND WATCHING MANY VIDEOS AND NO 1 EVER SHOWS THE TECHNIQUE TO HOLDING THE STICKS FOR DOUBLES. THANK YOU LAWD FOR THIS BRA DA. YES! 🙌
Ive been playing since I was 14 years old. I still don't have a well developed double stroke. If your video helps me im coming to visit and buying you dinner!!!!
Well.... it's been over a a year (I scrolled down to find my original comment) and I have to say that this is the single best lesson I've ever seen for developing technique.. I have been doing variants of this drill pretty consistently since initially viewing this video. Especially the idea of keeping that pinky involved. Truth. It's helped me realize (IMO) that true touch and feel, the "business" of making all different drum strokes takes place in those last couple of fingers, not in the fulcrum at the front. I found it helpful to work with a metronome (slowly for the most part) and do the second tap "on" the metronome. RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR , etc then switch to left hand leading .. Setting the metronome to 7/4 will let you switch that accent from the RH to the LH without changing the overall pattern (I hope that's clear.. try it) Also, I have to take a second to say that most unexpectedly when using brushes, I found that a double stroke (and 6 stroke roll) just magically appeared out of nowhere... all thanks to the pinky. Great stuff as always, Mr. Brown.
Mr. Joe, I hv been working on the double stroke for two years without any success. However, within a half an hour of watching your video it helped me make the double stroke strong and even. Thank you so much. Ps. Thank you Dr. I took my med. 🥁
Hey bro, I've been watching your vids for a while now and must say, you're the best. I started drums about 3 yrs ago and have watched many vids and have had 2 teachers. I've picked up more from you than any others. The way you explain things in all its' detail is amazing and so much easier to follow than any other method i've used. Kudos, bro, and keep up the good work.
No longer Mr. Brown. You are a great teacher! You are a Dr. in my Book. You are Dr. Brown. Great exercise especially to train that weak wrist and hand along with placing your fingers. Thank You!
My first video of yours but it won't be my last. I started dreaming when I was in my early twenties had to quit due to diabetic neuropathy took up guitar but now in my early forties 20 years later. I miss it more and more so I decided to go back to it . So these little tips are huge!!! I had just started learning rudiments so this is helpful and if you have any more thoughts or classes on rudiments or anything else would be greatly appreciated.
I worked on my doubles at least 10 minutes everyday. My drums instructor was also really encouraging me to practice them too. I used to play at 90, now I play at 120 without hiccups. They still don't sound even, but I'm trying to get there.
@@larkstonguesinaspic4814 bruh don't worry about the accents in the begging the grip used for buzz rolling is literally the same for double stroke but instead of pushing the stick into the drum to create a buzz have a lighter hold allowing a rebound you double the stroke
Thats how im learning, and trying to get my blast beats tighter, totally agree with this,. Im a truck driver, so when stuck in traffic, or on a longer journey, theres enough room near my gear stick, to be able to practice , using this technique, with the left arm and a stick, on the side of the trucks dash, feels the same as a practice pad. just getting the bounce even as i can, and for me , as fast as i can has made such a difference. Also, its a thing for the double kicks too, the second bounce on the kick when doing doubles/heel toe, also has to be the equal as the first, unless doing awesome things using the heel toe mixed with singles.,
Rob, pound for pound, I think this is one of the best lessons the internet has to offer. I’ve always thought my doubles were really good, and I was just watching because, we’ll, it’s you, but I realized I was doing exactly what you said players do. Guilty as charged! Keep up the awesome work!
i just started playing drums 2 days ago and i was watching like "exercises for beginners" and i just couldn't keep up, my doubles sucked, and i searched "how to get better at doubles" and your video popped up, immediately i got it, you explain and show it perfectly, this really boosted my confidence and motivated me to practice! i hope i make it into a band one day 😖💘💘💘
thanks for helping inspire an old head to get his chops back... Your videos somehow take me back 35+yrs. I remember showing an uncle how the band instructor had us grip'n sticks.. He laughed and gave me the middle finger walked away.. First I thought about putting xlax in his food. Then It hit me!!
I play drums when I was younger I haven’t played in like 20 years and I just got another set I’m trying to get back my the grip So I can roll better and be triplets and such I would like to learn some syncopated Chad stuff because I don’t like to play covers exactly the way that played I like to add my own little thing to him and I was wondering if you ever do that lately I’ve been playing to your drumeo drumless tracks I they’re going to be a great tool for me to practice to. But honestly I should try to get back to the basics I really love the show and the information you guys provide I think you covered all the bases when you explain what you’re doing and how it’s done So keep up the good work and I’ll be watching show me some good stuff this year everything you do is good thanks Robert
*Here's what helped me with my doubles* - I've recorded the audio with my phone, I've put it into Audacity and played it in slo-mo. I was amazed to see that my weak hand (i.e. right, I'm left-handed) was really solid (two almost equal strokes, played in time), but my strong hand was garbage - first hit was overpowered and the second was barely audible, as I wasn't using the small finger. Thanks for the videos, Rob, they helped me a lot with improving my technique. MAKE SURE TO USE THAT PINKY, GUYS!
Saiker--keeping the pinky on the stick only keeps you from getting tension. It has no impact on your playing at all. Buddy Rich never used it and Steve Gadd doesn't use it. What your problem is, Saiker, is that you are not breaking your wrist enough. You play THROUGH the drum, breaking your wrist slightly past what it takes to make contact with the drum, and work with the rebound. Practice playing through the drum, using ONLY your middle and ring fingers, without using your thumb. What you are doing now is playing TO the drum, and not allowing a follow-through to allow an even secondary tap. Play THROUGH the drum, as if the head is really 3" lower than it is. Trust me, I have done the finger snapping YEARS AND YEARS AGO. You don't snap your fingers AT ALL when you play a double stroke roll at tempo. It simply doesn't work that way.
@@tootallforbaseball thanks for replying. I need to try that on the pad. However, I'm not sure if I got you correctly - are you saying that what Rob and other guys are teaching, the whole "throw and snap" thing, is wrong?
Saiker I have a video on UA-cam as well. Search for double stroke roll in depth. I explain my concept. All of those guys play the way I describe. I used to do that very same thing 40 years ago as Rob and others, but in the end, what you end up doing is just breaking your wrist more. Snapping the fingers is not the best use of your time. Watch my video and I demonstrate the most effective method.
thanks, Doc; i'm returning to the drums at age 57 & doubles give me troubles. your explanation of what is happening mechanically at the wrist & elbow made a difference just within the time of watching the vid. i perceive i was "muscling" it too much. i practice both traditional & match grip & found your "handshake" analogy to yield "wow, already?!" results. my aspirations are to be a "groover" not a "shredder." i subscribed & look forward to your other lessons.
You can do the same thing with tripple stroke rolls, if you set your metronome to 3/4 with the accent on the third beat, you throw, bounce with fingers to support the stroke and then catch at the end of the rebound. Been using it a lot and seen real improvement with it. Love your videos.
Just wanted to pop in and say this exercise totally works. I thought I could doubles until my drum teacher laughed at my pathetic attempt at it. I spent two weeks doing this exercise for 30min a day and it completely fixed my horrible double stroke roll. Thanks, Rob!
Rob you’re amazing, observing that a lot of drummers flare out their pinkie finger when attempting doubles is great. I see beginners to pro drummers doing this. Love it.
OMG, how the hell did no one ever show me this technique before? I've had this exact problem for a long time, with those uneven doubles. This will help a lot! Thank you sir!
I'm sure this sounds like an infomercial endorsement--but after watching this video and making the requisite hand adjustments, I basically bumped up my doubles BPM by 20 and got them much more consistent. And this literally happened in a single afternoon. It was like freaking magic.
I'm just learning drums and couldn't understand why my initial hit always sounds louder than the bounce hit. All tutorial Vids up to now have just shown people playing it where it all sounds smooth and I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong. Glad to see a video that not only let's me know that it must be a common issue so I'm not on my own, but also explains why it's happening and what to do to rectify it. Thanks a million. I'll go and practice what you have shown us and I'll see you in 3 months 😆😂 hopefully I'll be able to report I have improved 😁
Your a wonderful teacher, thank you for sharing the information that you have had to dig out over the years with hit and misses and now your being generous to us so we don’t have to work as hard as you did as much .I use to work for greyhound corporation and their was this mechanic there an old timer who had lots of information but he wasn’t willing to share with anyone... I think that’s why I appreciate your kindness so much...
Cool. Normally I play the guitar, but from time to time I love to do some (totally amateurish) drumming. Difficult to find good tutorial videos on drumming. This one stands out.
Oh man your so easy to follow along with. I'm a total newbie. JUST got my practice pad. Yours is the first video I found with the "traditional grip" and it's the first time I actually got a smooth rhythm. (my left hand seem to be somewhat challenged.) lol.
I've found that in order to even them out I practice them individually for sixteen or 32 beats and then drop the count between each hand until you reach the back and forth. Example, Right hand sixteen times, left hand sixteen times. Right hand eight times, left hand eight times. Right hand four times, left hand four times, etc.
Been playing drums since 2000 but I didn’t learn any rudiments till this past year. My singles and paraded does are strong but was struggling with the doubles. This is a great video. Thanks for the help !!!
Good video to get people started! I would recommend two others: Gordy Knutson explains in further detail in what he has coined the "open-close technique". I also put a 10-part series going even further in how to develop the technique, especially for those of you who may have a habit of squeezing the sticks to make them bounce: it's called: "10 Steps to Unbelievable Rolls!" Great work, Rob!
I am a self taught drummer...I cant believe how much progress I made over the years without having the fundamentals. I am reinventing myself from the basics up. I started practicing fundamentals everyday as if I am a baby drummer and I am having so much fun. Thanks for the video man. I appreciate it. I also just discovered heal/toe...so fun man. I feel like I am 16 again. God bless you/yours.
Bro! Thanks for this i am following to a tee and so far I have a few days in and can hear a difference. Can only imagine in 3 months how much faster I will get!
If there is just one drumming you need to watch, this is it. Great video, I like the bit where you show how the stick is held and the finger action...I've just moved to trying the middle finger fulcrum and your relaxed style keeping the arms down, seems to be something in it. I still have a long way to go, so thanks a bunch for your videos.
THANK you very much. That was extremely helpful. I didn't realize how raggedy my double strokes were until how this video. Because of you, my double strokes are much improved. And getting better. Again, thank you and keep type of excerise coming.
I've been on the Vurge of maintaining good double strokes for awhile now. I felt them while playing you can tell the difference. I just can't lock em down! 1st I was practicing applying the Buddy Rich's one handed technique with both hands separately. 2nd And then switching to alternate in between them like a regular double stroke. But i never know if i'm just simply bouncing or doing alternating one handed technique. By feel is the only way I can tell just couldn't get it right so I 3rd Resorted to R r L l R r L l and i got that up to a pretty good speed but now quite where i want it. I took Thomas Lang's advice on that one he's one of the best. But I think this is exactly! what i need to lock this down. Thanks so much for posting. You're a good drummer keep it up I subscribed
I feel so stupid stupid after 7 years of drum i don't know that.. Thanks dude i'm training very hard now and i already hear the difference. Many thanks
Nice! Great stuff and spot on! I almost never subscribe to any channels...they have to be worth it and this one is absolutely worth it. Playing for 25+ years and there are things I'm learning here. Self-taught player, by ear which is why this site helps so much! Never stop learning and always open your mind, especially when playing and/or learning music!
Man, thanks for this video. It really helped me with speed. I started using my middle finger instead of my index and has made a world of difference. Thanks..
Totally brilliant instruction Rob! You are now my go to guru 👍✊️😁
Lol I started doing the middle finger too after watching this video. I was a big pinky out index especially with buzz rolls dude and slowly fixing it and it’s different but is better technique
It seems counter-intuitive to me to not use your strongest (index) finger in your grip. Why did you stop using it as your fulcrum and how have you found making the adjustment? :)
@@RealBesty I used to think that too, but then I noticed cats like Colaiuta, Deitch, DiCense, etc having relatively looser grips with the forefinger, especially during double-strokes.
Yes I noticed the middle finger is faster too. Brilliant video Rob! Gonna watch your others now...
Finally, a doctor who's prescription I can actually read
😂 i see what you did there
This is the first time I've ever seen anyone actually show a close up of the hand and finger movements. Thanks so much man!
Rob: "Are you having trouble with your doubles?"
Me: "I don't think so, but I feel like I'm about to find out I am."
Thanks, man. Great video. Love your stuff.
Hahaha 🙂👊🏽
Precisely!!
Josh Knighton lol
Welcome to Double Trouble Club!
LOL
When I play doubles with my right, it's smooth as silk, left hand, it's like I've never seen a drum stick before.
I know that feeling. My left hand is spasticated. Can't imagine how much better I'd be if my left hand was equal to my right.
@@abc456f I've played a drum kit for 30 years, in cover bands and church but I've not really played anything where I've needed to learn or play rudiments. I gig most weekends year round but since all my gigs got cancelled from mid-March due to Coronavirus I have deliberately not practiced or played on my kit. In the last 10 years that I've been gigging solidly I've only ever practiced to learn new songs but I've decided to use the virus quarantine to only practice rudiments and only on a pad. My right hand is pretty good but my left hand is horrible. Way too much tension and elbow movement and way slower than the right. If I had two right hands I could probably play doubles at 200bpm but the fastest I can play doubles and keep my lefts and rights even is about 130. I'm only practicing variations of doubles and paradiddles because lets face it, I've gotten by for 30 years without even knowing what most of the rudiments are even called.
Lol its flipped for me. My left feels seamless, my right is a like a drunk trying to walk the straight line test - all over the place! I'm working on it though.
I saved four or five of robs more basic lessons to my UA-cam library and I go back to those daily and my left hand has shown definite improvement. In fact I do a lot of these lessons only with my left hand because my right is in pretty good shape.
@@DodgeDartSongs
Same, Rob is the best
I've been doing this exercise for a couple of weeks now, and the results are showing. Thanks Rob.
I use it with a metronome and building up gradually the snapping motion. Great exercise
You are a great teacher! Your advise makes sense. It is hard to find a teacher who knows so well the early mistakes that beginners encounter and who advises how to get over these impediments. I'm greatly appreciative!
I dig it. First came across this way of emphasizing the 2nd stroke of this sticking back in the 1970s when some other drummers and I were analyzing the double strokes played by Mitch Mitchell, Jimi Hendrix's drummer, so I appreciate your explanation of how to practice this stroke. Thanks Doc!
YES. Fucking Mitch Mitchell - that's who I could never imitate, and this was why.
Man Rob, you’re great. My drum teacher I had 40 years ago should have had you for an instructor. I’ve watched about 10 of your videos and I’m really impressed. I’m not happy with some of UA-cam’s policies but man how guys like Rob are brought to the masses is fantastic. Intelligence, communication skill, musicianship, and a sense of humor (just watched a video where Rob had his timer for some ribs he was smoking ... awesome). Quite a unique, very likable talent. Thanks for doing what you are doing. My kit was collecting dust for 5 years... it’s not now.
I completely agree with everything you point out about what an outstanding and rare teacher Rob Brown is. Well said!!
Thanks Rob!!!! Been playing drums since I was 10, I'm now 45, and this is the first time I've actually understood how a double feels. Can't wait to see what happens with a month of shed time. I'll keep you posted. Your style of teaching resonates with me keep up the great work!
Rob: once again your videos are very helpful and practical. When I went to the US Marine Corps Drum & Bugle Corps School after Bootcamp, they taught us to NOT to Practice the Double-stroke roll with the usual RR LL RR LL Sticking. Instead, we were taught to practice with this sticking; RL--LR--RL--LR starting at a Full Stroke (Hi) Stick Height. We were told that this sticking Totally eliminates ANY Bounced Roll, and also eliminates the tendency to play the Long Roll with a Louder First stroke, followed by a softer or weaker Second Stroke as in Rr Ll Rr Ll.
Thank you,thank you, thank you!!! I am 55 and have been learning to play the drums since May '23. My drum teacher is currently on his summer holidays and I've been given 'homework' to do while he is away. One part is to work on getting my bpm up for my doubles. I've given this a go and it's already helping. I am thrilled!! I will now binge watch all of your videos. Amazing explanations, thank you 😁😁
Just started to pick up drumming and I’ve been completely bypassing drumeo in favor of your videos. The way you explain things makes so much sense! Thanks for the help you’re amazing
HUGE compliment, man. Drumeo is pretty much the holy grail here on the Tubes. Thanks a lot! 🙂👊🏽
Anytime! 😊👊
Drumeo might be the "Holy Grail", but as a beginning drummer (at 48!) I find a lot of their videos teach basic concepts without sufficient explanation, or they make advanced techniques look deceptively simple, again without sufficient explanation. Case in point, this topic which Mr. Brown spent 10-minutes presenting with an in-depth explanation would be a two-minute video on Drumeo. Of course the whole point of Drumeo's channel is not to actually teach drums but to push to you to their subscription website where you will presumably get the more complete lessons.
Hey Rob, I started on drums over 20 years ago & learnt by ear as best as i could.. never had a lesson or knew other drummers (lived in a remote area of Australia) .... I never knew what rudiments etc. even were - but always wanted to improve my playing. So your videos are amazing to me! I really enjoy your approach, style and have a sense of connection watching you. It inspired me to get a new kit & also use my electro kit for practice. I feel like I've improved even before I try your exercises! So thanks again, just wanted to show my appreciation. Look fwd to yr Next video! Thx mate.
That’s awesome, dude. Glad the videos have been helping you out. Shout out from Canada 🇨🇦👊🏽
Rob Brown wait, please tell me your from Toronto! Would love to take lessons!
Go bills!!!!!
Like you, I'm a self-taught (and Aussie) drummer who's played for a long time but never really practiced rudiments. Since all my gigs are cancelled I'm determined to use the Rona quarantine to finally practice some basic rudiments. I can feel, see and hear the difference after a week.
I love when he says "that's it"!!!
Like you got it!!
Great great teacher!!
Rob, you're a great communicator, very articulate and relatable. And I appreciate your visuals and clear direction. The exercises you offered might give my fingers some magic.
Best drum teacher in the world.. I'm teaching myself, every time I come to this site with a problem. Rob explains it best. Thanks man, really appreciated!
Amen brother! First minute is straight dope. Singles, doubles, single paradiddle are all you need for a career. Until you want to get some. I dig confidence.
If you want to get some, the triple will do it. Cheers!
Excellent, Rob. I wanted to tell you that what has helped my doubles immensely harkens back to the 20 minute double stroke workout you posted a while back. But what I did instead was start with a SINGLE stroke on the downbeat. So what you have is: LRRL LRRL LRRL LRRL etc. (or RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR etc.). Man, I did THAT for twenty minutes with the click, nice and even. I guess it's sort of based on something I probably saw in the "Accents and Rebounds" book some years ago, but it has definitely helped me. Thanks for all your great, inspiring videos.
Back in the 60s we read magazines instead of looking at youtube videos and I can recall reading maybe in Downbeat Magazine a drummer comment on the lovely double stroke roll another drummer (that other drummer could have been Joe Morello because Brubeck's "Take Five" helped introduce Joe as a big shot drummer and Morello had a wonderful roll). He commented that he supposed the other drummer was accenting the second beat just a little more. As for me, I was having difficulty "crushing" the roll. I found playing in 3 helped me crush it. Then I went on to the crush roll in 2. I could have used your videos back in the 60s, but then, that was before you were born! Keep up the good work.
I am a begginner almost reaching intermidiate level and it's thanks to you. So helpful. I take notes in my notebook of every detail. I feel like in an institute with you.
I watched you on Drumeo and the only thing I regret it"s that I did not know of your channel before.
Thank you and I do appreciate this
Me: *plays drums for 30 years
Also me: "What's a double?"
Don't be like me.
I was just about to ask the same thing lol
@@Daveyboy10053 you guys are not real drummers then lmao
kaneki k its possible they just forgot ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@jackleaves4948 Or they know the technique but don't know what it's called.
@@AK47_414 lol you can still be a good drummer just cause u don't know all the techniques doesn't mean ur not a real drummer?
All your videos are a one stop shop for tutorials, perfectly explained and demonstrated.
Thanks heaps man, really made an immediate difference.
The power of the pinky makes another appearance! Must be crucial in doubles and singles! Nice work Mr. Brown. Thanks for the info.
Thank you, kindly squire.
I also tried using my index or middle finger to hold the stick and to my delight it’s upgraded my speed.
Splendid new idea, my dear fellow.
Regards from an Irish git in Hungary.
dude, WTF! i'm 64, been playing drums on and off for 30 years and i've never really nailed doubles until now. that simple trick of putting the accent on the second hit changed everything, now i'm getting much smoother consistent rolls. i'm not perfect yet but i definitely feel i've broke through the wall. thank you so much.
Rob brown....you have hit the nail on the head...always had trouble with double strokes.....thank you for the exercise...will let you know on my progress.....
As a marching drummer, I can’t tell if Rob also has marching experience based on his hands but there’s a lot of similarities between the way I used to hear things during my career and the way Rob says a lot of things on video. Makes it easy for someone like me to start bridging the gap into a whole new style. Love and appreciate the middle finger fulcrum comment, I generally didn’t start hearing that until after high school and it’s a game changer, especially for double strokes. At the beginning of the video I was thinking to myself “If he says his exercise for this is double beat I stg” 😂
Lots of similarities. Middle finger fulcrum is also great for power playing, easier on the hands. Not great for playing super fast though cuz finger control is lacking. It's good to know both fulcrums.
This fella is just natural. Brilliant channel.
FINALLY INSTURCTION ON WHATS HAPPENING WITH THE FINGERS. BEEN PLATING FOR EVER AND WATCHING MANY VIDEOS AND NO 1 EVER SHOWS THE TECHNIQUE TO HOLDING THE STICKS FOR DOUBLES. THANK YOU LAWD FOR THIS BRA DA. YES! 🙌
Ive been playing since I was 14 years old. I still don't have a well developed double stroke. If your video helps me im coming to visit and buying you dinner!!!!
Well.... it's been over a a year (I scrolled down to find my original comment) and I have to say that this is the single best lesson I've ever seen for developing technique.. I have been doing variants of this drill pretty consistently since initially viewing this video. Especially the idea of keeping that pinky involved. Truth. It's helped me realize (IMO) that true touch and feel, the "business" of making all different drum strokes takes place in those last couple of fingers, not in the fulcrum at the front. I found it helpful to work with a metronome (slowly for the most part) and do the second tap "on" the metronome. RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR , etc then switch to left hand leading .. Setting the metronome to 7/4 will let you switch that accent from the RH to the LH without changing the overall pattern (I hope that's clear.. try it) Also, I have to take a second to say that most unexpectedly when using brushes, I found that a double stroke (and 6 stroke roll) just magically appeared out of nowhere... all thanks to the pinky. Great stuff as always, Mr. Brown.
Thanks Rob for the tips. At 61 Picking up the sticks again and I forgot so much rudimentary stuff. I got some homework .
Mr. Joe, I hv been working on the double stroke for two years without any success. However, within a half an hour of watching your video it helped me make the double stroke strong and even. Thank you so much. Ps. Thank you Dr. I took my med. 🥁
Thank you for taking the time to teach
Hey bro, I've been watching your vids for a while now and must say, you're the best. I started drums about 3 yrs ago and have watched many vids and have had 2 teachers. I've picked up more from you than any others. The way you explain things in all its' detail is amazing and so much easier to follow than any other method i've used. Kudos, bro, and keep up the good work.
Hey thanks, man. Glad the videos are helping you out 🙂👊🏽
No longer Mr. Brown. You are a great teacher! You are a Dr. in my Book. You are Dr. Brown. Great exercise especially to train that weak wrist and hand along with placing your fingers. Thank You!
Thanks man 🙂🤘🏽
Great Scott! Doc brown haha
My first video of yours but it won't be my last. I started dreaming when I was in my early twenties had to quit due to diabetic neuropathy took up guitar but now in my early forties 20 years later. I miss it more and more so I decided to go back to it . So these little tips are huge!!! I had just started learning rudiments so this is helpful and if you have any more thoughts or classes on rudiments or anything else would be greatly appreciated.
Ok Rob, I've been having trouble with my doubles. Gonna try this thing. I'm going to comment in 4 weeks and report the results
2 weeks and counting
Larks' Tongues In Aspic what now
I worked on my doubles at least 10 minutes everyday. My drums instructor was also really encouraging me to practice them too. I used to play at 90, now I play at 120 without hiccups. They still don't sound even, but I'm trying to get there.
@@larkstonguesinaspic4814 bruh don't worry about the accents in the begging the grip used for buzz rolling is literally the same for double stroke but instead of pushing the stick into the drum to create a buzz have a lighter hold allowing a rebound you double the stroke
kaneki k cmon I wish I learned that, you actually made sense. I always forced doubles cause buzz rolls are forced since it require more than 3 bounces
Thats how im learning, and trying to get my blast beats tighter, totally agree with this,.
Im a truck driver, so when stuck in traffic, or on a longer journey, theres enough room near my gear stick, to be able to practice , using this technique, with the left arm and a stick, on the side of the trucks dash, feels the same as a practice pad. just getting the bounce even as i can, and for me , as fast as i can has made such a difference.
Also, its a thing for the double kicks too, the second bounce on the kick when doing doubles/heel toe, also has to be the equal as the first, unless doing awesome things using the heel toe mixed with singles.,
Rob, pound for pound, I think this is one of the best lessons the internet has to offer. I’ve always thought my doubles were really good, and I was just watching because, we’ll, it’s you, but I realized I was doing exactly what you said players do. Guilty as charged! Keep up the awesome work!
i just started playing drums 2 days ago and i was watching like "exercises for beginners" and i just couldn't keep up, my doubles sucked, and i searched "how to get better at doubles" and your video popped up, immediately i got it, you explain and show it perfectly, this really boosted my confidence and motivated me to practice! i hope i make it into a band one day 😖💘💘💘
thanks for helping inspire an old head to get his chops back... Your videos somehow take me back 35+yrs. I remember showing an uncle how the band instructor had us grip'n sticks.. He laughed and gave me the middle finger walked away.. First I thought about putting xlax in his food. Then It hit me!!
I play drums when I was younger I haven’t played in like 20 years and I just got another set I’m trying to get back my the grip So I can roll better and be triplets and such I would like to learn some syncopated Chad stuff because I don’t like to play covers exactly the way that played I like to add my own little thing to him and I was wondering if you ever do that lately I’ve been playing to your drumeo drumless tracks I they’re going to be a great tool for me to practice to. But honestly I should try to get back to the basics I really love the show and the information you guys provide I think you covered all the bases when you explain what you’re doing and how it’s done So keep up the good work and I’ll be watching show me some good stuff this year everything you do is good thanks Robert
been playing since 89 but this is the best instruction video I've seen. Great job from South Africa
Throw and catch, and pinky finger. Got it! Thanks so much!!!
Finally someone who uses slow motion! That was super helpful to see the mechanics. Nice seeing you on DRUMEO as well! Beatdown FTW
*Here's what helped me with my doubles* - I've recorded the audio with my phone, I've put it into Audacity and played it in slo-mo.
I was amazed to see that my weak hand (i.e. right, I'm left-handed) was really solid (two almost equal strokes, played in time), but my strong hand was garbage - first hit was overpowered and the second was barely audible, as I wasn't using the small finger.
Thanks for the videos, Rob, they helped me a lot with improving my technique. MAKE SURE TO USE THAT PINKY, GUYS!
Saiker--keeping the pinky on the stick only keeps you from getting tension. It has no impact on your playing at all. Buddy Rich never used it and Steve Gadd doesn't use it. What your problem is, Saiker, is that you are not breaking your wrist enough. You play THROUGH the drum, breaking your wrist slightly past what it takes to make contact with the drum, and work with the rebound. Practice playing through the drum, using ONLY your middle and ring fingers, without using your thumb. What you are doing now is playing TO the drum, and not allowing a follow-through to allow an even secondary tap. Play THROUGH the drum, as if the head is really 3" lower than it is. Trust me, I have done the finger snapping YEARS AND YEARS AGO. You don't snap your fingers AT ALL when you play a double stroke roll at tempo. It simply doesn't work that way.
@@tootallforbaseball thanks for replying. I need to try that on the pad.
However, I'm not sure if I got you correctly - are you saying that what Rob and other guys are teaching, the whole "throw and snap" thing, is wrong?
Saiker I have a video on UA-cam as well. Search for double stroke roll in depth. I explain my concept. All of those guys play the way I describe. I used to do that very same thing 40 years ago as Rob and others, but in the end, what you end up doing is just breaking your wrist more. Snapping the fingers is not the best use of your time. Watch my video and I demonstrate the most effective method.
I never subscribe to anyone but ive been trying to fix my doubles for years and this video his helping me a lot. So you’ve earned it.
thanks, Doc; i'm returning to the drums at age 57 & doubles give me troubles. your explanation of what is happening mechanically at the wrist & elbow made a difference just within the time of watching the vid. i perceive i was "muscling" it too much. i practice both traditional & match grip & found your "handshake" analogy to yield "wow, already?!" results. my aspirations are to be a "groover" not a "shredder." i subscribed & look forward to your other lessons.
You can do the same thing with tripple stroke rolls, if you set your metronome to 3/4 with the accent on the third beat, you throw, bounce with fingers to support the stroke and then catch at the end of the rebound. Been using it a lot and seen real improvement with it. Love your videos.
Really good explanation of the double stroke. Thanks.
Thanks for putting this together, nicely done.
Just wanted to pop in and say this exercise totally works. I thought I could doubles until my drum teacher laughed at my pathetic attempt at it. I spent two weeks doing this exercise for 30min a day and it completely fixed my horrible double stroke roll. Thanks, Rob!
Rob you’re amazing, observing that a lot of drummers flare out their pinkie finger when attempting doubles is great. I see beginners to pro drummers doing this. Love it.
The pinky finger should be on the stick, but it is only to avoid tension. The pinky finger has no real impact whatsoever.
John Tootallforbaseball it looks ridulous
OMG, how the hell did no one ever show me this technique before? I've had this exact problem for a long time, with those uneven doubles. This will help a lot! Thank you sir!
I'm sure this sounds like an infomercial endorsement--but after watching this video and making the requisite hand adjustments, I basically bumped up my doubles BPM by 20 and got them much more consistent. And this literally happened in a single afternoon. It was like freaking magic.
great, thorough explanation...
THANKS FOR GIVING YOUR TIME TO TEACH OTHERS...
This is fantastic! I'm forwarding this on to some of my students. Thanks, Rob! You have explained it perfectly!
Much appreciated, man. Thanks a bunch for sharing it 🙂👊🏽
I'm just learning drums and couldn't understand why my initial hit always sounds louder than the bounce hit. All tutorial Vids up to now have just shown people playing it where it all sounds smooth and I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong. Glad to see a video that not only let's me know that it must be a common issue so I'm not on my own, but also explains why it's happening and what to do to rectify it. Thanks a million. I'll go and practice what you have shown us and I'll see you in 3 months 😆😂 hopefully I'll be able to report I have improved 😁
Excellent! Love you entire approach to realistic usable lessons. Bravo!! Mad cool.
Your a wonderful teacher, thank you for sharing the information that you have had to dig out over the years with hit and misses and now your being generous to us so we don’t have to work as hard as you did as much .I use to work for greyhound corporation and their was this mechanic there an old timer who had lots of information but he wasn’t willing to share with anyone... I think that’s why I appreciate your kindness so much...
Cool. Normally I play the guitar, but from time to time I love to do some (totally amateurish) drumming. Difficult to find good tutorial videos on drumming. This one stands out.
Man, what a patient teacher.
having played for over 50 years, its still a pleasure to learn more.
Great lesson that helped me clean up my doubles. Thanks, Ron!
Oh man your so easy to follow along with. I'm a total newbie. JUST got my practice pad. Yours is the first video I found with the "traditional grip" and it's the first time I actually got a smooth rhythm. (my left hand seem to be somewhat challenged.) lol.
This man just called himself The Docta lmfao Im loving the advice already
I've found that in order to even them out I practice them individually for sixteen or 32 beats and then drop the count between each hand until you reach the back and forth.
Example, Right hand sixteen times, left hand sixteen times.
Right hand eight times, left hand eight times.
Right hand four times, left hand four times, etc.
Rob is the man. Highly recommend his drum tuning vid. Changed my world.
This fixed my doubles in half an hour. You're a great teacher, Mr. Brown.
This deserves waaay more views. One of the best lessons on double stroke out there.
Doctor of drumming ...
Real cool man ...i needed that
Rob, man you are the best!! I have been struggling with doubles. This just open the door and the fresh air has come in. Fantastic. Thanks.
Been playing drums since 2000 but I didn’t learn any rudiments till this past year. My singles and paraded does are strong but was struggling with the doubles. This is a great video. Thanks for the help !!!
Thank you for this very instructional video.
Great tip!!
I first learnt accenting the 2nd beat on Dave Weckl's first video!!
Really improved my double strokes!!
Great !!
I want to see the video of double and triple Para-diddle, which are essential for drum strokes.
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Good video to get people started! I would recommend two others: Gordy Knutson explains in further detail in what he has coined the "open-close technique". I also put a 10-part series going even further in how to develop the technique, especially for those of you who may have a habit of squeezing the sticks to make them bounce: it's called: "10 Steps to Unbelievable Rolls!" Great work, Rob!
I am a self taught drummer...I cant believe how much progress I made over the years without having the fundamentals. I am reinventing myself from the basics up. I started practicing fundamentals everyday as if I am a baby drummer and I am having so much fun. Thanks for the video man. I appreciate it. I also just discovered heal/toe...so fun man. I feel like I am 16 again. God bless you/yours.
My finger control improved tremendously. THANK YOU!
"Are you havin trouble with yo doubles!?" Subbed.
Haha! Thanks, man 🙂👊🏽
Rob Brown no, thank you Rob. Lol. My dbls need work. I never put time into them.
Bro! Thanks for this i am following to a tee and so far I have a few days in and can hear a difference. Can only imagine in 3 months how much faster I will get!
rende facili anche gli esercizi più complessi. Great educator
If there is just one drumming you need to watch, this is it. Great video, I like the bit where you show how the stick is held and the finger action...I've just moved to trying the middle finger fulcrum and your relaxed style keeping the arms down, seems to be something in it. I still have a long way to go, so thanks a bunch for your videos.
Thank You. I will really practice this good exercise. Thank You…
THANK you very much. That was extremely helpful. I didn't realize how raggedy my double strokes were until how this video. Because of you, my double strokes are much improved. And getting better. Again, thank you and keep type of excerise coming.
I've been on the Vurge of maintaining good double strokes for awhile now. I felt them while playing you can tell the difference. I just can't lock em down!
1st I was practicing applying the Buddy Rich's one handed technique with both hands separately.
2nd And then switching to alternate in between them like a regular double stroke. But i never know if i'm just simply bouncing or doing alternating one handed technique. By feel is the only way I can tell just couldn't get it right so I
3rd Resorted to R r L l R r L l and i got that up to a pretty good speed but now quite where i want it. I took Thomas Lang's advice on that one he's one of the best. But I think this is exactly! what i need to lock this down. Thanks so much for posting.
You're a good drummer keep it up I subscribed
Rob, you are a terrific teacher. I wish I could meet with you in person once a week.
Thanks Rob .. your alright man! Getting on it, on the double!
Im on my week one of the prescription and i can allready see reasult !! Thank you soooo much doctor !!
Great exercise! Thanks, Rob!
"Take two of these, twice a day, and call me in three months." One of the best UA-cam lines ever. :OD And a super-nice guy, too. Thanks for the video.
Thanks man, beginner drummer here and your straight forward approach really helped.
Great lesson .. can I recommend Bass drum exercise for next video ? 😃
Great demonstration and lesson. Well done and simple explained, gotta try this exercise. Thanks Rob.
I feel so stupid stupid after 7 years of drum i don't know that.. Thanks dude i'm training very hard now and i already hear the difference. Many thanks
This video changed everything for me, thank you sooo much!!
Very nice, thanks for the clear video. And what a gorgeous kit you have!
Nice! Great stuff and spot on! I almost never subscribe to any channels...they have to be worth it and this one is absolutely worth it. Playing for 25+ years and there are things I'm learning here. Self-taught player, by ear which is why this site helps so much! Never stop learning and always open your mind, especially when playing and/or learning music!
The close up slow-mo cam on your wrist/hand was super helpful thanks man