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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @VertexEffectsInc
    @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +14

    Want me to rate your rig? Be sure to tag us on IG @vertexeffects and use the hashtag #pedalboardprescription for free advice, tips, tricks, and improvements to make to your rig in a future episode.

    • @soloflightwest
      @soloflightwest 2 роки тому +3

      I’d love to send in my Rig for some critique, But I don’t use social media other than YT. Do you receive these in other avenues?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +3

      @@soloflightwest maybe email us next time we do this!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      @serialfrost it's only an input buffer so you'd have to supplement with other buffers.

    • @djhinormas959
      @djhinormas959 2 роки тому

      i dont have a IG account can i send it to u on FB?

    • @billytremoloband7456
      @billytremoloband7456 2 роки тому +1

      @@soloflightwest UA-cam for the win, all the rest are more like socialist media….! Full of 99% nonsense and 1% nice rig pics etc

  • @joerausch5756
    @joerausch5756 2 роки тому +16

    This channel is constantly putting out high quality content.

  • @charleybenztrani5347
    @charleybenztrani5347 2 роки тому +9

    Awesome seeing my mini-pedalboard getting featured in this video!!! Thank you Mason! 😁

  • @ryanwhite5482
    @ryanwhite5482 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the feedback! This board wouldn't have happened if it weren't for your videos and some help you gave me back in 2019 when I first built this layout (without the HX Stomp at the time).
    The power supply is the Truetone CS-12 but the HX Stomp is powered by it's original power supply connected to an outlet under the board.
    I've always operated on the low to high gain staging but don't know where I got that from. I think for some of them it's because I wanted to have the drive colored by the higher gain pedal. I will have to experiment with it!
    In situations where I was running two amps in stereo or one amp one modeled output, I was getting ground hum which the EBTech solved. But I never checked if it affected the signal. Lately I'm mostly running direct so I probably should pull it out and only use it or one of the solutions you suggested if I really need it.

  • @badfaithnomination
    @badfaithnomination 2 роки тому +4

    Objection: Not everyone wants to use a Boost for a volume boost during solos. Most metal guitarists are placing them before drives & crunch channels FOR added saturation. Stop saying it rarely sounds good. Same thing with the Tube Screamer and Big Muff. The TS is the one pedal metal guitarists put before everything in the gain stage (save the Boost). They are tightening their low end & boosting their mids before hitting their fuzz & distortion. Just because it does not work you, it does not mean others haven’t made it work for them.
    I respect your expertise & thank you for all your advise. I’ve tried it your way & it did not work for me.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      I'm generalizing based on the broader group that watches this, if you watch our videos on signal path it spells this out more specifically.

  • @mickhodes
    @mickhodes 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the advice mason I will definitely go out and get better cables and move around the fuzz pedals and post the update when I’m done.

  • @adaptivebusinessconsulting8080
    @adaptivebusinessconsulting8080 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent idea to critique boards this way. Real practical advice, great professional insights.
    I learned a great deal from this one video. You filled a niche that has needed to be filled for a long time. Well done.

  • @tomt55
    @tomt55 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent and highly informative video! It's great to have you look at, constructively assess and comment on real world DIY pedal boards. Thank you for posting! 🙏🏻👍🏻🤘🏻

  • @Dorachagi1
    @Dorachagi1 2 роки тому +1

    It was very educational and insightful just to follow along and experience a perspective of critiquing a rig not based on what pedals sound like or what overall sound or style a player is going for, but rather how they can be optimized regardless of what gets played on them. Not usually the way I think about my board, I definitely picked up some ideas I will test and likely implement. Thanks for this, keep 'em coming please!

  • @drewb9995
    @drewb9995 2 роки тому +2

    Shout out to the Amazon cables! Haha thanks for addressing that I'm guilty myself!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      It's a real mixed bag...don't set your watch by them ;)

  • @plaguesofwrath
    @plaguesofwrath 2 роки тому +3

    Some pretty interesting stuff here. I’ve never heard of anyone putting an overdrive after higher gain pedals, because the way most of the people I know use an overdrive to tighten up the low end and hit the front of their amp harder, but I’d be interested in hearing what it sounds like the other way around. Maybe I’ll throw my SD-1 in my loop one of these days just to see what it does. But all in all this is a really interesting informative video.

  • @Binaural03375
    @Binaural03375 2 роки тому +2

    Dude, thank you so much for your channel and your videos. They're so helpful and well-thought out and detailed. You've helped me so much, I wish I could do more than like and comment.

  • @leeds99
    @leeds99 2 роки тому +2

    Hay Mason - thanks for doing this. The tu-12h tuner on my board isn't in my chain though based on your comment, i will look into the Y cable. Also, i have replaced the delay with a Subdecay Echobox until i add a buffer at the end of the chain.
    re Road Rage buffer - Input Impedance > Greater than 1M Ohm Output Impedance < Lesser than 100 Ohms 9volt DC Neg Pin

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      Wonder what the make up is of the buffer, maybe you can inquire if it's IC based or something else...and what IC?

    • @leeds99
      @leeds99 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc ti072. and as far as I can tell, its not coloring the tone. a Boss TU2 at the end adds a bit of hiss and imparts a harshness, thus, its gone

  • @rihraw
    @rihraw Рік тому +1

    Yes the tc electronic hypergravity has a great 1meg 100ohm buffer in it

  • @joshuaraysummey7679
    @joshuaraysummey7679 2 роки тому +2

    The ehx soul food has a buffer that you can switch on internally. Great vid!!! Thanks a bunch!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      Good to know, thats cool! Great entry pedal to get into the klon world!

  • @jonathanmcright7543
    @jonathanmcright7543 Рік тому

    Thank you for this. Very thorough, and simplified. I’ll probably binge watch everything you have .

  • @JeffSaunders
    @JeffSaunders 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the rating, Mason! I do use the Spark as an added “gain stage” for the Dude and BD, for some extra thickness. Cables are definitely a priority for me next. Power supply is a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus. 😊

    • @JeffSaunders
      @JeffSaunders 2 роки тому +1

      Also, the Tone Corset is a super underrated analog compressor. I use it for my spanky Cory Wong-style stuff.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      For sure! Definitely be aware that it's a linear supply and how it might interact negatively with other pedals with the magnetic leakage.

  • @Suicaedere666
    @Suicaedere666 Рік тому

    This is the best channel. Great video, you are the man Mason!

  • @skepticalbystander
    @skepticalbystander 2 місяці тому +1

    I've heard a lot of non-metal players suggesting the higher gain before lower gain thing, and i think it's because metal players use gain staging differently than basically any other genre, for metal, i go overdrive set to more level and no gain > sputtery velcro type fuzz > bigger open fuzz > distortion. I think a lot of non-metal players are looking at a lot of metal boards :/

  • @KennedyRetzko
    @KennedyRetzko 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much I have learned a lot and I played it to my sound and oh my gosh I could cry! It sounds 100% better!

  • @dannyllerenatv8635
    @dannyllerenatv8635 2 роки тому +1

    I'm definitely interested in booking a private tone consulting soon. With the vacuum tube shortage, I have narrowed tube amp purchases to tube amps that I REALLY ACTUALLY want, making more of a focus on pedalboards.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +3

      They did a 180 on that tube shortage, I also have a video coming out about this next week to undo some of the alarmist attitudes out there about it.

    • @dannyllerenatv8635
      @dannyllerenatv8635 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc I’m looking forward to the video!

  • @TheMotorcycleCafe
    @TheMotorcycleCafe 5 місяців тому

    Great segment. Bring it on 😎👍

  • @PorchBass
    @PorchBass 2 роки тому +3

    If you're in Europe, Palmer do some helpful line isolation transformers and a transformer amp split

  • @boseefusmacmurphy1156
    @boseefusmacmurphy1156 2 роки тому +1

    In terms of higher vs lower gain, I use my fx loop to have it both ways. Not really sure about the buffering I'm almost certainly not doing that right. I use a multi effects for whammy and pitch but it sounded horrible before the amp. And useable in the fx loop .The included noise gate works worse now but it sounds better overall and is more useable. I had to get very frustrated before I even bothered trying it lol

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Watch our video on signal paths and advanced signal paths, it will help.

  • @santiagovanegas3812
    @santiagovanegas3812 7 місяців тому

    So so helpful! I've applied a few of your tips on my board and I hear a noticeable improvement. The best part is that I didn't have to buy anything. I just had to rearrange some stuff ;) One question I have is... at what point do you recommend using a looper switcher?

  • @Gaddmans.Garden
    @Gaddmans.Garden 2 роки тому

    Love this format of rig review. Thanks

  • @PostColorGear
    @PostColorGear 2 роки тому

    Something you said early in the video made me think. (and you may answer what I am about to ask later, apologies if you do. Haven't finished the video yet) - but when a pedal is on, it's buffered (as you know. I am just thinking out loud), and in another video you mentioned there is some flexibility with the output impedance, as opposed to the input. 100 is ideal but the lower the number, the better.
    So the question is: does the pedal need to "be"/have a dedicated buffer if it's an always on pedal? You pretty much said as much around the 8 minute mark, but I wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand that. (as long as the output impedance isn't something super high, of course)

    • @PostColorGear
      @PostColorGear 2 роки тому

      And a few minutes later, you did pretty much confirm that haha (you mentioned that a pedal could function as a buffer if always on, which of course makes sense)
      Thanks for all the helpful content you put out!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Depends on the pedal and the quality of the buffering. Most suck, really suck - maybe 1% of them might meet an acceptable criteria.

  • @MrDream-zm1pw
    @MrDream-zm1pw 2 роки тому +1

    Nice video. I recently found that less is more. Better to have a few pedals that do one or two things well than multiple pedals. Recent board is only 4 pedals and so happy with it. Wanting to acquire more pedals has not made me happier. (Still have all my other pedals boards with 6-9 pedals tho.) :)

  • @Producer_Jeff
    @Producer_Jeff Рік тому +4

    Here’s some food for thought as far as overdrive order. As a metal /hard rock player it does make a lot of sense to put a tube screamer / sd1 style overdrive in front of a distortion pedal to tighten up the low end and give it more attack using it as a clean boost in the classic gain at 0 and level at 10 setting. I think that’s why you see a lot of people putting them before distortion or even more neutral sounding overdrives. Of course it sounds pretty bad if you’re actually using it for gain before something that’s already higher gain but I feel most people who are putting it before another drive pedal aren’t really doing that. Just an observation!

    • @mfdoom808
      @mfdoom808 10 місяців тому +1

      When playing a strat I really like to use a boost or a clean OD into a distortion. Gives it more oompf and tightens it up

  • @dangitdan9938
    @dangitdan9938 2 роки тому +3

    Always stunned by how many pedals some folks use.

  • @nourdinenourdine4223
    @nourdinenourdine4223 2 роки тому +2

    Big help from you thanks from Morocco to usa.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Wow! Thanks!

    • @nourdinenourdine4223
      @nourdinenourdine4223 2 роки тому

      I will send you my pedals order to give me your advices . And you will see some of your advices already in my pedals order

    • @nourdinenourdine4223
      @nourdinenourdine4223 2 роки тому

      Can you please give me your good advices

  • @geo5772
    @geo5772 2 роки тому

    @vertex effects M2! missed you for quite a while Doc (my bad 😔) I’ve added this vid to my pedal board layout playlist (much populated by Vertex vids of course!) Final order from Brad at BTPA has arrived, workshop bench almost done. Holding off on pedal board until all the MkII boards etc are released but layout can begin as can cable assembly. As usual my friend best wishes from Sonoma County

  • @pablobossanova
    @pablobossanova 2 роки тому +1

    Great episode!

  • @Roger-il8iw
    @Roger-il8iw 7 місяців тому +1

    Just some foil can solve magnetic field issues. When I was a detective we used it for cellphones to block signals. Couple layers of foil in a pinch does the trick.

  • @BassicBill
    @BassicBill 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Mason, great information as always. Some pedals have buffers in them but how do I know which ones have buffers vs those that don't?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +3

      Unplug power when the pedal is in bypass, if it has a buffer it normally will mute the signal since it requires power.

    • @BassicBill
      @BassicBill 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc thanks!!

  • @jamesbrennan57
    @jamesbrennan57 2 місяці тому

    I am wondering whether to place my digitech whammy very first, or my boss cs-3 compressor first
    considering the boss cs-3 would be a buffer from the start it feels proper

  • @lyleanderson5407
    @lyleanderson5407 2 роки тому +1

    Just our of curiosity I have a TC Electronic Ditto plus pedal at the end of my signal chain is there a way I can find out what the impedance output reads? Great video! Lots of good information.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      It's probably low, but they're true bypass so it's not going to help you unless you're always running a loop.

  • @fodaseodinheiro
    @fodaseodinheiro 2 роки тому +1

    Yeah Manson!! Roast our pedalboard that awesome. I wanna send mine! 🙈👊🙏✌️

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      See description to be featured in a future video!

  • @rafaelrada9861
    @rafaelrada9861 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Doctor, if I have a Vol+Wah pedal (Valeton EP1 or Hotone Soul press II). Is it OK placing it after overdrives to really control volume instead of gain? or would it create problems with being after input buffer when switching the pedal to "wah" mode.
    My current signal path is Guitar >> Buffer >> Comp >> OD >> Vol/wah >> time effects

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Either first or after you OD pedals...I'd experiment.

  • @spectramorphical
    @spectramorphical 2 роки тому

    Hey Mason. great and very helpful as always!!
    where does a Cali76 compressor go in the chain?? i was told at the very end, BUT before the reverb. so, mine is: LolaFUZZ>OCD>TUBESCREAMER>StrymonElCapDELAY>CALI76>Fender63REVERB>DITTOlooper. Is that correct?
    perhaps you could talk about compressors a bit more in general. thanks!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Good question! After the effects you are compressing everything before it, if you you were to put it first in the chain you would add effects to the compressed guitar signal.

    • @spectramorphical
      @spectramorphical 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc so, thats a better signal chain, yes??? BEFORE the effects?? Im using mostly Jazzmaster and tele's into blackface deluxe.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      @@spectramorphical well if you think of an 1176 it would never be on a board at all. It's after the mic, sooo...after drives would be more ordinary of how you'd hear it in a studio recording.

  • @LukeArmitage
    @LukeArmitage 2 роки тому +1

    Are Ibanez WH10 impedance sensitive wahs? Should that come before the Tuner or after? Similarly before or after distortion?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      I forget...I'll try to look at a schematic more closely when I get to my computer.

    • @LukeArmitage
      @LukeArmitage 2 роки тому

      Thank you!

  • @monsterbonsai9173
    @monsterbonsai9173 2 роки тому +1

    Mason what do you think of using a Radial J48 Stereo as dual buffer? I habe it as first and last part of my signal chain for recording, and to my understanding a DI box is i.e. a buffer with an XLR out, but I might be totally off track here and your input is much appreciated.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      You could use this yes, but having a good output buffer won’t hurt anything in the event you don’t have this or you’re not micing your amp.

  • @toneleudy
    @toneleudy 2 місяці тому

    In regards to overdrive order. I put a lighter drive prior to my main drive. I have the gain set at zero on the light drive and use it to boost the highs. I find it adds some more clarity to my distortion. does this make sense to you?

  • @toxichompdiepsplixio3921
    @toxichompdiepsplixio3921 11 місяців тому

    Noise gates!! What about noisegates where do we out these in a chain for 4cm method?

  • @ronaldsai-a-tjin7229
    @ronaldsai-a-tjin7229 Рік тому

    A great video and great advise!

  • @TheSmallSk8er
    @TheSmallSk8er 2 роки тому +1

    Is there something like a video about Pedalboard basics? I have no clue why the impedances affect the sound or what role they play at all. I need some kind of Introduction. Can anyone recommend something?

    • @RAndrewNeal
      @RAndrewNeal 2 роки тому

      To put it simply, low impedance outputs have enough current available to maintain signal fidelity. High impedance inputs have enough resistance that they draw a negligible amount of current from the source so as not to load the guitar pickups or form audio filters. The reason loading the guitar pickups affects the tone rather than only attenuating is that they're inductive sources (along with the capacitive tone controls), reactive elements. this means that their impedance is different depending on the frequency, and through an input impedance too small, they create a low pass filter that rolls off your highs, making your tone sound dead. It's like rolling back the tone knob and seizing it in place.
      You always want your input impedance to be at least an order of magnitude greater than the maximum output impedance of your guitar. Usually, inputs have about 1MΩ impedance; more than enough for most guitars to handle.
      You also want your output impedance to be pretty low so it's robust enough to maintain fidelity over long runs of cable, which has capacitance. An impedance too high here will make a low pass filter in the audible range, having the same affect as having an input impedance too low. In general for audio, you always want high input impedance, and low output impedance. But this is usually the case for audio exclusively. Don't worry about impedance matching.
      If you want to know about the theory behind audio filters for a better understanding of why impedance matters, do some research on reactance and RC and RL filters.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      These videos exist in our library! Have a look!

  • @oliverchapman51177
    @oliverchapman51177 2 роки тому +1

    I need help. This is what I’m dealing with. I’m getting a brand new Line 6 m5 with a nice midi controller. So my dirt is RC booster, Timmy, Ts9. What would you guys do with all this stuff. I’m thinking less is more.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Get a little loop switcher for the pedals and control it all via MIDI.

  • @jkta97
    @jkta97 2 роки тому +1

    Would I need an output buffer if my last pedal in the signal chain is an always on effect.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      Depends on how low the output impedance is - we have a video about pedals with great build in buffers if you’re interested.

    • @jkta97
      @jkta97 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Thanks! I'm looking at putting the Tim Pierce Overdrive by Rockett Pedals as the last thing in my chain, but I unfortunately wasn't able to find out what the output impedance is. I'll probably just get a TC Electronic Bonafide Buffer to put on the end just to be safe.

  • @calimusic2007
    @calimusic2007 2 роки тому

    Hey Mason,
    I’m looking to build a rack mounted pedalboard using a switching system, ( Voodoo Labs GCX). Can you recommend a latching rack shelf?

  • @mattygainesville
    @mattygainesville Рік тому

    Is the MXR DC Brick not an approved power supply?

  • @amdenis
    @amdenis Рік тому

    As a buffer, what do you think of the Temple Audio 4X Mod Pro i/o buffer mod (1.1 MO input, 38 Ohm output)?

  • @MrFirerobb
    @MrFirerobb 2 роки тому +1

    So the voodoo lab power supplies can cause noise? I have 2 that are mounted under my pedaltrain. How can I avoid the noise cuz I have noticed it

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      It can, the Pedal Power 2 is the least problematic because the case is steel, but the other versions of the Pedal Power are aluminum which doesn't offer any shielding for electromagnetic fields.

    • @MrFirerobb
      @MrFirerobb 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc yeah I have a pedal power 2… I moved it from underneath to on top of the board since I had room…not sure if it matters.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      @@MrFirerobb keep it as far away from your pedals as possible.

  • @Dogger1230
    @Dogger1230 2 роки тому +1

    Mason, I’m building a rug for myself and am probably going to pay for that $149.00 rig overview on your site. In doing that, I’m hoping you look at my current pedals, recommend ones I want to replicate a tone I’m after, and help with routing my cables. Are those the things that ARE covered in the hour long session? Please reply if you can. Much appreciated!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      We can take the conversation any way you want it. I provide detailed lists of anything you need based on our conversation and email them to you at the end of the call so you have all the links and resources you need to move forward.

    • @Dogger1230
      @Dogger1230 2 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc perfect! I emailed the rig doctor and Jacob replied to me. I’m gonna write some questions down and get that Tone Consultation. I have all five EVH pedals and am then in search of Metallica’s black album Hetfield tone, along with variations of levels of distortion, chorus, delay, etc. Anyways, I’ll be in touch in a couple:few weeks! Thanks!

    • @isaacandhismusic1153
      @isaacandhismusic1153 2 роки тому

      Save the $149 for only fans or more pedals and jump on thegearpage for advice instead :)

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      @@Dogger1230 👍👍👍

  • @IndyRockStar
    @IndyRockStar 2 роки тому

    Hi Mason! I have a quick question. I'm running a Big Sky into my Vox Custom AC30CH. I just discovered the Cab filter on the Big Sky. It says in the manual that it's for running direct. I tried it running through the AC30 and it really cleaned up and clarified the sound of everything running before the Big Sky especially the BE-OD. Is it hurting anything by running the Big Sky with the Cab Filter switch on while running into an Amp? It definitely sounds better with it on to my ear.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      I wouldn't run the cab sim unless you're running direct.

  • @will2181
    @will2181 Рік тому

    Hi Mason, what are your thoughts on the Polytune 3 internal buffer? Do you consider it to be a good buffer? I run 8 pedals on my board, with the Polytune 3 being first in the signal chain. All my other pedals claim to be true bypass. Is having the Bonafide buffer at the front of my board enough buffering for this size pedal board?

    • @TheEchelon
      @TheEchelon Рік тому

      If I recall correctly, the Polytune tuners basically have the bonafide buffer built-in.

  • @brownsfanlarry1340
    @brownsfanlarry1340 Рік тому

    I would really like to know what you have against George L cables & ends?

  • @madslashers2002
    @madslashers2002 2 роки тому +1

    I’m in the Bay Area and I’m curious if you have a gear shop?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      We don't, our showroom is in LA actually, I just live in Oakland.

  • @michael_caz_nyc
    @michael_caz_nyc 2 роки тому +2

    The biggest problem that I see is: pedals placed Too Close together (like a jig-saw-puzzle). It's not practical for a Live-performance? When you are singing and trying to: Hit your Tap-tempo for a Solo, or trying to: bypass or engage a pedal. I prefer: a little extra-space, to accommodate my footprint.

  • @lukeswann1484
    @lukeswann1484 2 роки тому +1

    What would you use to label guitar pedals?

  • @slawekiwanek402
    @slawekiwanek402 Рік тому

    Hi, sorry for the lamer's question :))) : but how do we measure the I/O impedance of a pedal ? @Vertex Effects : is there a video about it already ?

    • @andywilhelm5831
      @andywilhelm5831 Рік тому +1

      You can typically find your pedal's impedance online

    • @slawekiwanek402
      @slawekiwanek402 Рік тому

      @@andywilhelm5831 Thanks Andy, but anyway, I would like to be able to know how to measure it myself :)

  • @gregrush8237
    @gregrush8237 2 роки тому +2

    People keep saying how Boss tuners don't have good buffers and I don't get it. When we are watching rig rundowns or other pedalboard breakdown videos. Almost all of them have a Boss tuner as their first pedal. Only a handful of people follow the holy trinity of tone. Why is this?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Most of the pro players aren't versed in electronics. Boss tuners are a standard, most people use them, but don't really know anything about buffer quality. Nor do most technicians really understand electronics principals, impedance, etc.

    • @gregrush8237
      @gregrush8237 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsIncWhat are your thoughts on a buffer from Radial that's called the Stagebug SB-15.

  • @jayyoungmusic919
    @jayyoungmusic919 2 роки тому +1

    the hair is looking dope!!!

  • @jebomey
    @jebomey 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the video! In your opinion does every rig need buffers (even if it’s a small 3-4 pedal rig)? If not, how do you determine if you need a buffer in a small rig?

    • @ivanvranic7860
      @ivanvranic7860 2 роки тому

      If it's the small rig (3 or 4) then you most probably dont need a buffer.
      Best way to determine if you need is a buffer:
      1) play something through the whole pedalboard while all the pedals are off (clean signal) and record that
      2) play the same thing straight into an amp and record
      3) compare both recods, and if you hear that you are missing some of the high frequencies when going through the pedals - then you need a buffer

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      Typically the number of pedals don't matter that much. Even if you have 3-4 pedals your guitar still has passive pickups from the most part that have to drive the input cable and a long cable after the pedalboard back to the amp. Those things don't change much no matter what pedals you have. On the pedalboard, for the most part, you're in a low impedance environment relative to what comes before the pedalboard because any pedal "on", true bypass or not, is buffering. So I would say, yes this rule applies irrespective of the size of the pedalboard, even if it's a few pedals.

    • @jebomey
      @jebomey 2 роки тому

      @vertex effects do you have a recommendation for an output buffer on a bass rig? Would a TC bonafide do? I know you recommended the Peterson tuner as a bass rig input buffer…

  • @duartefaria7134
    @duartefaria7134 Рік тому

    Bro, i am using a hx stomp in the fx loop of a tube amp. Will i get better with a analog pedal in the start and end of the chain, cause the buffer? I was thinking using a overdrive and a tuner. One in the start and other in the end of the chain. I am thinking correctly? Recomendations? Thanks in advance.

    • @QuikdethDeviantart
      @QuikdethDeviantart Рік тому

      As far as I know you don’t have this issue with digital devices like the helix etc., so no buffer needed. Same if you use the helix fx loop unless you have an extremely long chain. Essentially you want to avoid signal degradation. Ironically adding your buffered pedals to either side of your helix adds to the number of devices your signal flows through. You probably won’t notice any real difference and you might consider that your also adding more “fail points”… the less extravagant the setup the less likely something goes wrong. Just yesterday I played a gig, and when I went to hit the first note, nothing came out. Rather than troubleshoot during the song I shoved my pedals aside and went straight in to my amp. I was able to get through the set but my point is when things fail, they always fail in front of an audience. If you’ve only got 1 device, it’s easier to diagnose on the fly. I think personally I’m going BACK to my headrush pedalboard for this very reason. Good luck with your setup!

  • @landonmatthew
    @landonmatthew 6 днів тому

    two klons on one board lol i can’t say i haven’t thought of doing that

  • @jonnyonthespa5153
    @jonnyonthespa5153 2 роки тому +2

    thank you

  • @XxStonedImmaculatexX
    @XxStonedImmaculatexX Рік тому

    Man I really like this new buffer but I don’t like the fact you have to route the cables all the way back to the buffer.
    I wish it were more like the EHX Silencer where you have route back just one cable if you’re using FX loop but can route straight thru and to the amp after that.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  Рік тому

      Which Buffer are you talking about?

    • @XxStonedImmaculatexX
      @XxStonedImmaculatexX Рік тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc hey man, I saw the whole video so it’s your buffer here, they’re both the same.
      I saw your other video where you explained how buffers work which really helped me out since I run a big rig, sometimes with FX loop. There’s no practical way to just have the output be on the end of the board which I am aware of, I just wish we’d be able to just run 1 cable back to the buffer here instead of running a few back is all.
      I saw the video in my feed here and couldn’t click fast enough to watch it since I was so close to getting two TC Bonafide buffers to use at the beginning of my board and end.
      I’ll keep thinking about it.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  Рік тому +1

      @@XxStonedImmaculatexX If you have an amp with an FX Loop you're gonna need three connections to the pedalboard, plus the guitar, no way around that. Not sure what the alternative would be?

    • @XxStonedImmaculatexX
      @XxStonedImmaculatexX Рік тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Yea I usually use either the 4 cable method or an EHX silencer is the amp I'm using doesnt have fx loop.
      The alternative is to use a buffer built like the one you just rolled out here. I'll used PedalPlaygound to mess around with the configuration. I can always add your new buffer pedal manually (size) there as well.

    • @GlennJimenez
      @GlennJimenez 10 місяців тому

      4 cable is cool and all until you realize both loops are buffered and you’re hitting it twice buffer wise

  • @VilmosTarcza
    @VilmosTarcza 2 роки тому +1

    I love your dog. Greetings from Hungary! 😎

  • @owenfield818
    @owenfield818 2 роки тому +1

    Will you be doing something like this again?

  • @lucasflores3625
    @lucasflores3625 2 роки тому +1

    Question: I’m thinking abt starting a new pedal board using a TC Electronic Hall of Fame V2 as an output buffer. Should I still be on the lookout for not decking my pedal board with True Bypass pedals? Love the videos, learned so much!!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      TC has good buffers, see our video on pedals with great built in buffers!

  • @bryanp8010
    @bryanp8010 2 роки тому

    Mason, could i send you pedals and board and have you set it up for me? I’m trying to run things stereo with two amps with some strymons and an ab switch to turn off an amp. I’m running an ac30 and my main is a jcm900. I love the OD on my JCM and I’d like it to run on both amps if possible. I had something set up through my effects loop on the jcm to get what i wanted, but i got way too much hum. Tried a mesa AB with phase and ground control and also tried a hum X, but nothing helped. Not sure what I’m doing. There’s just way too many ways to wire things that I’m going crazy.

    • @phunkyjunkee
      @phunkyjunkee 2 роки тому

      Take a look at the Orange Amp Detonator. It is a buffered ABY box that has a control to bring the amps back in phase if necessary. I do not have it but it’s on my list for when I go wet/dry soon.

    • @phunkyjunkee
      @phunkyjunkee 2 роки тому +1

      Vertex probably makes something that would do the same thing tho. I’m planning on splitting my signal at the end of the chain just before the amp, running one into a 15 watt tube Stage Right cheapie but with a Celestion G12-65, and the other to my 20 watt tube Hughes & Kettner combo which will have all my wet stuff in the effects loop (chorus, phaser, tremolo, delay, and Reverb)

    • @bryanp8010
      @bryanp8010 2 роки тому +1

      @@phunkyjunkee I just picked up a mesa ABY with all the fixin’s. I think I got my problems solved. There’s just no way to have a good signal running my Marshall distortion through my ac30 and using the fx loop. It killed me because my amp sounds friggin amazing so I invested in a jcm 800/900 yep pedal from Venezuela; the PAL800-v3. It won’t be here till mid January but the reviews and video gave me a chubby. Hoping it’s a good replacement. I’ve got a zillion OD pedals but my mod.ed jcm900 is the nicest OD I’ve ever heard

  • @smeemusic
    @smeemusic 2 роки тому +1

    This is really cool. Is there a way I can send you my setup for one of these episodes that doesn't involve another social media? The only social media i use is youtube and I have an email address. I'd love to hear your opinion on my rig. I think its pretty cool. If I could improve it in any way, it would be amazing!

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      You can sign up for our newsletter so you get notified next time we do this!

  • @Animal22021
    @Animal22021 2 роки тому +1

    where would I put a Talkbox in my signal chain

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      Typically last

    • @Animal22021
      @Animal22021 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc Also how can I get you to rate my rig if I don't use Instagram

  • @hummarstraful
    @hummarstraful 2 роки тому +1

    Mason, I'm using an old school Boss PSM-5 power supply. I never thought about the buffers. Does the PSM-5 do the job of buffers? It's very quiet and I have no problems with it.

  • @bmtz2169
    @bmtz2169 2 роки тому +3

    this guy used to be my teacher, dam hey mason

  • @yonedelcastillo4491
    @yonedelcastillo4491 2 роки тому

    Mason, all my patch cables are Boss. What do you think? Any better option?

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      I'm sure they're OK if you have a buffered environment with quality low impedance signals feeding them. I use Mogami 2314 and Squareplugs for my stuff, we also sell it through Sweetwater pre-made and on www.therigdr.com in custom lengths.

    • @yonedelcastillo4491
      @yonedelcastillo4491 2 роки тому +2

      @@VertexEffectsInc thanx a lot. You take your time to answer our questions. You are a man dedicated to his passion. Quality is not a minor issue for you. Thanks again.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      @@yonedelcastillo4491 thanks again for watching!

  • @grinnerschic
    @grinnerschic Рік тому

    Is it possible to have too many buffers!? for example a wampler tumnus buffer, friedman buffer and friedman buffer inside wah all on.

  • @Dr.evil.porkchop
    @Dr.evil.porkchop Рік тому

    Nicely done.

  • @jimmyhumphrey_5975
    @jimmyhumphrey_5975 10 місяців тому

    Hi Mason would like to talk with you about redoing my board after my last tour it's not doing well and need a rebuilt. Please let me know if you could take this job. Whatever info needed i can furnished. Thankyou Jimmy

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  10 місяців тому +2

      Jimmy, I'm retired! You might want to ask Goodwood Audio, Omilion Audio, or Xact Tone Solutions

    • @jimmyhumphrey_5975
      @jimmyhumphrey_5975 10 місяців тому

      Thank you for the info. Enjoy your retirement.

  • @littlechicago7482
    @littlechicago7482 5 місяців тому

    Fantastic info, great video, $ hit background music

  • @jonnyonthespa5153
    @jonnyonthespa5153 2 роки тому +1

    this video is yes

  • @KYCDK
    @KYCDK Рік тому

    I like to put phaser and univibe between distortions. i have it after distortion and fuzz (ds1, fuzz face etc) but before any overdrive or boost pedals (bd-2, spark boost etc)
    whenever I like it before overdrive, but with fuzz and high gain distortion, i like to boost the fuzz as well with the overdrive placed after.
    so it might go fuzz-univibe-drive with all 3 being on. the fuzz set really high gain and the drive set to be really light edge of breakup. I find if i have vibe or phaser after high gain into a completeley clean amp/no drive, it gets this chewy smooth sound which i personally don't like and sounds like nails on chalkboard. the drive after the vibe/phaser adds a nice bit of breakup that gets rid of that
    alternatively an edge of breakup amp works well too

  • @Blaydrnnnr
    @Blaydrnnnr 2 роки тому +2

    You guys need to get your distributors in line. I ordered an AC module from Sweetwater a month ago, and it STILL says "awaiting Items". Cancelled, I built it myself. If I cant get a $24 dollar module, I'm sure not going to order a $400 board....

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      That was our fault. We'd be waiting on parts for the AC modules for almost three months before they arrived. That's not Sweetwater's fault - that's us and supply chain challenges.

    • @glynnpowell7864
      @glynnpowell7864 2 роки тому

      Wah, cry somewhere else besides the UA-cam comment section kid. Take it up with support. It’s called businesses make mistakes sometimes.

    • @Blaydrnnnr
      @Blaydrnnnr 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc So the last time you replied telling me you sent them to Sweetwater weeks ago, was just bullshit right? Good business practices.

  • @Emcfree2084
    @Emcfree2084 Рік тому +1

    Someone non ironically using a DOD Grunge on their pedalboard? Well I never

  • @fredashay
    @fredashay 7 днів тому

    You wouldn't like my rig. I just have a bunch of pedals scattered randomly on the floor around my guitar, lol.

  • @kuzeyrfatkzgnkaya7274
    @kuzeyrfatkzgnkaya7274 2 роки тому +2

    modest title. you could just write i'm rating your rig.

    • @kuzeyrfatkzgnkaya7274
      @kuzeyrfatkzgnkaya7274 2 роки тому +2

      @@schizoid21 nope. he is always like this.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      Kuzey, you're right, deleting this video now!

    • @bobflemming100
      @bobflemming100 2 роки тому

      He’s a wee bit full of himself alright.

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому

      @@bobflemming100 The first two definitions for "professional" aka "pro" that came up on my Google search were (1) taking part in an activity in order to make money and (2) someone who accepts money in exchange for provided good and/or service. If I get paid to make pedalboards, am I not a professional by that metric? It's not necessarily qualitative - or how skilled I might or might not be. Secondly, I have a team that makes our titles, thumbnails, and edits our videos based on metrics and what's most likely to be viewed, and while I have built pedalboards as a profession, I didn't come up with this title myself. It seems to me like your comment isn't in the spirit of the video nor what it's attempting to do. If you have a suggested title that you think is more appropriate, feel free to be part of the solution :)

    • @bobflemming100
      @bobflemming100 2 роки тому

      @@VertexEffectsInc I’m not surprised you had to google the definition.

  • @scottraycraft5151
    @scottraycraft5151 6 місяців тому +1

    pro boards are pricey due to the 5000 miles of cabling used...

  • @Starch1b2c3d4a
    @Starch1b2c3d4a 2 роки тому +1

    😂 you can see doc cringing so hard 😖

  • @randalfields1991
    @randalfields1991 5 місяців тому

    Hey Mason great video. I would love to get you opinion on my board. Although I don't have IG. I sent you a message on your website.

  • @hellvulcanoh
    @hellvulcanoh 2 роки тому

    "Pro Pedalboard Builder" :D:D:D:D: Humanity matured for destroy. Pls little grey alien PLS!...

  • @coreyw5981
    @coreyw5981 2 роки тому +1

    "oh-hi" is how you pronounce Ojai!?!? Omg i just pronounce it like "oh-jay"

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +2

      That’s it, it’s the name of a city between Santa Barbara and LA.

  • @dwspaenjespaenje5687
    @dwspaenjespaenje5687 2 роки тому +5

    boring

    • @VertexEffectsInc
      @VertexEffectsInc  2 роки тому +1

      We were wondering…now we know. Thanks for setting us straight! Deleting this video now!

    • @eternalvernal1286
      @eternalvernal1286 2 роки тому +1

      @@VertexEffectsInc 😂

  • @multardthegreat4561
    @multardthegreat4561 Рік тому +1

    😅 most of you play in a bedroom or a low level bar.. Like it matters what your "rig" os like 😅😅😅

    • @hdog0148
      @hdog0148 Рік тому +11

      How dare these filthy peasants have a hobby if they aren't famous musicians! The nerve!

    • @cardbored_
      @cardbored_ Рік тому +4

      You sound miserable

    • @TheEchelon
      @TheEchelon Рік тому +1

      What's wrong with trying to improve and learn new things? That's the fundament of almost any hobby, regardless of the level. And it does definitely matter, it matters to the enjoyment of the players that use these rigs, and also the people that watch this video that can also use the information. As cardbored_ said, you sound miserable.

    • @bencarley6896
      @bencarley6896 Рік тому

      tell me you play guitar without telling me you play guitar

    • @Prettynoise
      @Prettynoise 7 місяців тому

      No big deal where a person plays .

  • @erpringle
    @erpringle Рік тому

    Pedal board building for dummies 😮