With all this talk about Kraftwerk, a lot of people seem to forget that there were also other electronic precursors who were just as important in laying the foundations for techno, including the likes of Can, Tomita, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Cat Stevens, Gorgio Moroder, Gary Numan, Soulsonic Force, Hashim, etc. All of these artists eventually influenced Juan Atkins and Derrick May when they created techno, not just Kraftwerk alone.
it's amazing how a dj like atkins can speak with so much knowledge of what he's saying. he's proud of his city, the one he's always lived in, and wants to stay there. five stars for the video and for atkins
What people dont realise arguinig is that, Techno split immediately as it was created. One came from influences of electro and then in went on giving birth to Model 500 & Drexciya. Second was the more jazzy and soul influenced: Derrick May & E-Dancer. Another was born from hip hop and house and became a genre of its own with a standart hip-house rhythm beat like Inner City & Technotronic. One more wave went more industrial way and had more ruff and acid sound - like Underground Resistance & Mills. And dont forget the minimal techno approach from Rob Hood. And thats only America.
As a student of architecture in Detroit I was always trying to break down the barriers around me... to see through the visual part of a building and see that the buildings had a history, a story - that people laid each brick and that people made these places a home and that eventually people destroyed those buildings brick by brick. It is interesting to hear or read about dj's in Detroit talking about the character of the city from their view and how it is inseperable from the music.
All forms of modern music are born out of the meeting of western folk-music traditions, the classical expressions which evolved from church music, and the roots of African/Caribbean music that stretch back in endless permutations to time immemorial. But ultimately it doesn't matter, good music expresses a human truth, and real truths are timeless and universal.
This is where we part ways because it was Kraftwerk that gave techno its core structure. The Chicago scene was house music which was a combination of disco coupled with the newer electro-led italo-disco. Whereas Detroit techno origins come from imitation of Kraftwerk and the New Wave scene of which Ron Hardy's Muzic Box was the key player in Detroit adoption of this new genre.
Not surprised by your reaction. Every time I mention Cat Stevens as an electro pioneer, a lot of people are shocked that a folk rock artist has anything to do with electronic music. To understand what I mean, just have a listen to Cat Stevens' 1977 track "Was Dog a Doughnut", which is arguably the first electro track ever recorded. It was way ahead of its time.
Your points are crystal clear. I 100% agree with you. I am in the Dallas area and have seen the same apathy. Take care and keep stating your mind. And voices will join you in chorus. Mentor Wayne
in reality the pionners in electronica were european krafwerk, tangerine dream , but detroit define electronic music as techno , they create the style.
Agree 100% :) But I typed that in here because people were fighting over who should get the credit. But I do noticed that nobody mentioned chicago scene who gave techno structure. Anyway respect to all of them. After all they are our influence now. :)
@atlantichouse Remember? Kraftwerk was heavily influenced by the Beach Boys, Psychedelic Rock, Walter/Wendy Carlos ect. All modern dance music has deep deep African American roots that extends way deeper than Kraftwerk. There's nothing about early Kraftwerk that resembles anything of Detroit but i do see the rhythmic influence that comes out of the history of Black music in Detroit Techno, and when i say Detroit Techno i mean Soulful Detroit! not that Soulless Eurodance shit.
@RitaJoanneC This has EVERYTHING to do with techno music. You have to know the background and the environment that this music came from. A dirty, crumbling city that offered little hope. It was the canvas on which the history of electronic music was painted. I lived in Detroit (IN Detroit not in the burbs) for many years. I love it but I would never go back.
as derrick may says, people are ignorant, and even Detroit's electronic dance scene is pretty dead. its pushed to the booshy up-scale house scene, or the underground afterhours....go to all the main clubs, all hip hop.
@MCVixenVee I totally agree and another thing I noticed being a Detroiter and being naturally drawn to this old techno is how groovy it is. I think this has to do with how huge an influence the Funk Brothers if Motown are as an influence on everyone in the city.
Agreed actually. In The Mix, they could have easily been accused of trend-hopping if it weren't for the fact that so many people credit them with creating the stuff that led to the genres they were remixing as. (My earlier comments were deliberate attempts to be annoying). Long live Atkins and Hutter!
I totally agree with your butterfly analogy in respect to musical influence (since the stone-age). It is only natural that the majority of musicians will follow the herd when musical style changes direction but surely as an artist you must agree that it is only proper that credit should be given foremost to the herd leaders for that change in direction. To do otherwise just denies the pioneering artists the true credit that they are due - don't you think?
Wow! Everyone should calm down and take the music as it is. No colors on the music please. I'm from Detroit and I feel great about anything the city births. Lord knows we need all the positive things we can get. this music is fot the world to enjoy.
@atlantichouse Kraftwerk was an influence..much like some others were..but what they were making had no bounce to it...what you hear today started in the urban areas in America...Like Jaun Atkins said Kraftwerk was"Clean and Precise"..They didn't invent electric instruments...Kraftwerk was one of many "Sources" that helped the Creators of Techno! Thats how music works....you get influenced!
@VILKAZzzz I'm not sure what the track is exactly at 07:50 but he's bringing in E-Dancer "Pump the Move". That track at 07:50 doesn't sound like the beginning of Pump The Move though...it could be at a higher BPM.
KRAFTWERK were the PIONEERS of electronic POP music! And those kids in Detroit....boy did they love them! RALF HÛTTER is your GOD. Now all join in and chant: "OHM SWEET OHM"
@atlantichouse All forms of modern music has strong American/African American roots. Remember Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder,Manuel Gottsching, YMO ect was pioneering but they didn't create in a Vacuum or a Void and they most certainly was influenced by music of Black American origins. Even if on the surface the influences aren't apparent.
Kraftwerk music has no energy.Its relaxing..What we listen to now is much more comparable to what was created in the USA..just because Kraftwerk used similar instruments and sounds does not make them the "Creators".Their music is not built for the clubs.I'm a DJ..I wouldn't play it..The Drums and rhythmic funk in Techno is what makes it hot! The energy of Techno was created in Detroit..there is nothing rhythmic or funky about Germany in the 1980's.You can try and dance to kraftwerk if you want!
NICEisNICE kraftwerk is soulless. The Detroit stuff is all soul. It’s that juxtaposition that makes it so dynamic. Disco was a genre that got beaten to a pulp, but I always loved it. I couldn’t understand why, at least as far as the great bands like Chic, Earth, Wind and Fire, and The Bee Gees, were/was suddenly so despised, and with a senseless kind of rage. I took it personally as an 8 year old. The fusion of soul, funk and the structure imposed upon it by the machines just sets my soul on fire. It’s got depth, intelligence, and reflects a fuller spectrum of the human experience than any other music. It breaks every rule, it is non conformist and at times ironically so. Wit, funk and passion moving freely within a calculated, rigid structure with flexible borders. Lots of contradiction.
@@quintuplebanned4267 indeed as I noticed that even in edm music black artist technically have way more feeling more groovy and overall have way more soul than the white edm artist ever had but never get any credit for it for some odd reason.
I love people who bitch about influences and stuff like that. Its butterfly effect since stone age. And only critics bitch about it, us musicans we don't care we just make music.
You know, house music started in gay clubs; but, honestly, I hate going into a gay bar just to listen to techno music. And, in the small town that I grew up in, it was that or travel 4 hours (round tip) for some dancing.
Exactly, screw hip hop and rap...lol. Rock was started by blacks too. Also the black population of Puerto Rico or Cuba started Salsa which has more of an "African" sound than Rap.
peezhead ikr hip hop is the most overrated genre of music out there of mankind I don't mind old school hip hop but hip hop is just poison and promote negative stereotypes about blacks 24/7.
With all this talk about Kraftwerk, a lot of people seem to forget that there were also other electronic precursors who were just as important in laying the foundations for techno, including the likes of Can, Tomita, Yellow Magic Orchestra, Cat Stevens, Gorgio Moroder, Gary Numan, Soulsonic Force, Hashim, etc. All of these artists eventually influenced Juan Atkins and Derrick May when they created techno, not just Kraftwerk alone.
it's amazing how a dj like atkins can speak with so much knowledge of what he's saying. he's proud of his city, the one he's always lived in, and wants to stay there. five stars for the video and for atkins
What people dont realise arguinig is that, Techno split immediately as it was created. One came from influences of electro and then in went on giving birth to Model 500 & Drexciya. Second was the more jazzy and soul influenced: Derrick May & E-Dancer. Another was born from hip hop and house and became a genre of its own with a standart hip-house rhythm beat like Inner City & Technotronic. One more wave went more industrial way and had more ruff and acid sound - like Underground Resistance & Mills. And dont forget the minimal techno approach from Rob Hood. And thats only America.
Tauras D still is true. Eastern civilization Techno and Western Civilization Techno
"split immediately as it was created"
I love that phrase. ❤️👍
derrick may.. what a class dude
seen him play...
I like what Derrick said about the Théatre, he still has that great philosophic sort of speaking. I love him :)
These guys get so much more respect in Europe than the USA. Man!
I love Juan Atkins' stuff, especially Model 500.
As a student of architecture in Detroit I was always trying to break down the barriers around me... to see through the visual part of a building and see that the buildings had a history, a story - that people laid each brick and that people made these places a home and that eventually people destroyed those buildings brick by brick. It is interesting to hear or read about dj's in Detroit talking about the character of the city from their view and how it is inseperable from the music.
All forms of modern music are born out of the meeting of western folk-music traditions, the classical expressions which evolved from church music, and the roots of African/Caribbean music that stretch back in endless permutations to time immemorial. But ultimately it doesn't matter, good music expresses a human truth, and real truths are timeless and universal.
I'm from Chicago I basically grew up off of Ghetto House/Juke but Detroit Tech was so ahead of its time to this day the sound is so unique.
Juan is an absolute genius!!!!
This is where we part ways because it was Kraftwerk that gave techno its core structure. The Chicago scene was house music which was a combination of disco coupled with the newer electro-led italo-disco. Whereas Detroit techno origins come from imitation of Kraftwerk and the New Wave scene of which Ron Hardy's Muzic Box was the key player in Detroit adoption of this new genre.
Not surprised by your reaction. Every time I mention Cat Stevens as an electro pioneer, a lot of people are shocked that a folk rock artist has anything to do with electronic music. To understand what I mean, just have a listen to Cat Stevens' 1977 track "Was Dog a Doughnut", which is arguably the first electro track ever recorded. It was way ahead of its time.
Your points are crystal clear. I 100% agree with you. I am in the Dallas area and have seen the same apathy.
Take care and keep stating your mind. And voices will join you in chorus.
Mentor Wayne
in reality the pionners in electronica were european krafwerk, tangerine dream , but detroit define electronic music as techno , they create the style.
Pilares del techno en Detroit que se transportaron a otras ciudades del mundo.
Thanks Saunderson, May, Atkins, Craig, ....
Best from Majorca.
I saw Juan play in Arizona to an empty room in 2000. Sometimes people don't understand.
Derrick May is really eloquent...
Oh man.. i figgin love you..
Finaly someone who id'd it. Been looking ages for it. Thanks a buch!
Looks like a fantastic documentary. Thanks for the clips!
Agree 100% :) But I typed that in here because people were fighting over who should get the credit. But I do noticed that nobody mentioned chicago scene who gave techno structure. Anyway respect to all of them. After all they are our influence now. :)
I LOVE YOU!! Finally found it. You are the man!
Detroit. The Originator of Techno! Genius music!
@atlantichouse Remember? Kraftwerk was heavily influenced by the Beach Boys, Psychedelic Rock, Walter/Wendy Carlos ect. All modern dance music has deep deep African American roots that extends way deeper than Kraftwerk. There's nothing about early Kraftwerk that resembles anything of Detroit but i do see the rhythmic influence that comes out of the history of Black music in Detroit Techno, and when i say Detroit Techno i mean Soulful Detroit! not that Soulless Eurodance shit.
beautiful
Juan speeks true about your enviroment lending a hand in making music from the heart
very nice video thank you
Thanks for posting!
wow this was great inspiration
@RitaJoanneC This has EVERYTHING to do with techno music. You have to know the background and the environment that this music came from. A dirty, crumbling city that offered little hope. It was the canvas on which the history of electronic music was painted. I lived in Detroit (IN Detroit not in the burbs) for many years. I love it but I would never go back.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that pronouciation.
Also anyone know the track 3:37 - 4:10?
Welcome to my hometown, were I lived for 26 years. Holbrook and Conaut Southside
Can anyone tell me what the ambient track is @ about 2:40? Thanks!
its not our crumbling buildings....its the PEOPLE in the D. you can't find PEOPLE like us anywhere in the world.
-Squirt
juan Atkins or Derrick May with all you guys great gifts please tell me who mad 'it takes me up up up upo, up up up thanks another fan
as derrick may says, people are ignorant, and even Detroit's electronic dance scene is pretty dead. its pushed to the booshy up-scale house scene, or the underground afterhours....go to all the main clubs, all hip hop.
@Animalinstinct89 There is an original track called "Watch me Now" by grooveyard and this one is the remix done by the same person with another alias
@chrisinns hell yes! thanks.
the silver apples and hans edler- they are also pioneers of electronic music.
Thank you for sharing :-D
Look at it, man. Can't you feel it? Can't you see it? 2:17
Marked Safe from Derrick May today!!
Exactly, I don't feel sad I feel angry!
@jadizm pretty sure it's Tim Harper - 'I feel groove', on Peacefrog. The sample is from Bobby Womack - 'I feel a groove coming on'.
@unodueseijova it's 'pump the move' by E-Dancer (Kevin Saunderson).
@MCVixenVee I totally agree and another thing I noticed being a Detroiter and being naturally drawn to this old techno is how groovy it is. I think this has to do with how huge an influence the Funk Brothers if Motown are as an influence on everyone in the city.
and at 8:28, the melody line and erratic voice patterns are from E-Dancer: "Pump The Move"... :)
Nice stuff mate.. -TRS-Records
6:50 I miss the giant Berry Sanders, I was there when they tore it down.
derrick may it was fucking young!
cool detroit!
Agreed actually. In The Mix, they could have easily been accused of trend-hopping if it weren't for the fact that so many people credit them with creating the stuff that led to the genres they were remixing as. (My earlier comments were deliberate attempts to be annoying). Long live Atkins and Hutter!
Detroit is a Rock City!
agreed.
The one at 3:50 is Derrick May - Icon
I totally agree with your butterfly analogy in respect to musical influence (since the stone-age). It is only natural that the majority of musicians will follow the herd when musical style changes direction but surely as an artist you must agree that it is only proper that credit should be given foremost to the herd leaders for that change in direction. To do otherwise just denies the pioneering artists the true credit that they are due - don't you think?
Wow! Everyone should calm down and take the music as it is. No colors on the music please. I'm from Detroit and I feel great about anything the city births. Lord knows we need all the positive things we can get. this music is fot the world to enjoy.
@atlantichouse
Kraftwerk was an influence..much like some others were..but what they were making had no bounce to it...what you hear today started in the urban areas in America...Like Jaun Atkins said Kraftwerk was"Clean and Precise"..They didn't invent electric instruments...Kraftwerk was one of many "Sources" that helped the Creators of Techno! Thats how music works....you get influenced!
@VILKAZzzz I'm not sure what the track is exactly at 07:50 but he's bringing in E-Dancer "Pump the Move".
That track at 07:50 doesn't sound like the beginning of Pump The Move though...it could be at a higher BPM.
Hip Hop is still part of the dubplate culture, though. It all began in Jamaica through Dub music.
power video
Actually, read any bio of Kraftwerk, and you'll see how they talk about Detroit techno, and specifically Juan Atkins influencing them.
Black people, white people, wtf!?!?!?
MUSIC IS FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY!!!
Music does not have a colour! It has emotion and power!!
you made it to europe son
Pump the move baby!
@theuglymugly
to be fair, i didn't say it was king midas sound - i just said google them.
have a listen to the dabrye remix of king midas sound.
knowing Pump The Move. But what track is playing before Pump The Move. Been Looking for that track for months.
That track is rocking.
Man, this looks such a scary city... :/
Tiago, Portugal
Where can I get this documentary in full?
KRAFTWERK were the PIONEERS of electronic POP music! And those kids in Detroit....boy did they love them! RALF HÛTTER is your GOD. Now all join in and chant: "OHM SWEET OHM"
it's all about black music
@brulione No remix. It's Secret Cinema AKA Grooveyard
can anyone tell me info about Derrick May ever played at a bar called Frankys in Toledo,Ohio???
@brulione thanks but I was asking about the 06:25 track as Juan is walking down the street...
@atlantichouse All forms of modern music has strong American/African American roots. Remember Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder,Manuel Gottsching, YMO ect was pioneering but they didn't create in a Vacuum or a Void and they most certainly was influenced by music of Black American origins. Even if on the surface the influences aren't apparent.
Kraftwerk music has no energy.Its relaxing..What we listen to now is much more comparable to what was created in the USA..just because Kraftwerk used similar instruments and sounds does not make them the "Creators".Their music is not built for the clubs.I'm a DJ..I wouldn't play it..The Drums and rhythmic funk in Techno is what makes it hot! The energy of Techno was created in Detroit..there is nothing rhythmic or funky about Germany in the 1980's.You can try and dance to kraftwerk if you want!
Lmao no lies detected!! When kraftwork came to movement a few years back they almost put me to sleep
NICEisNICE kraftwerk is soulless. The Detroit stuff is all soul. It’s that juxtaposition that makes it so dynamic. Disco was a genre that got beaten to a pulp, but I always loved it. I couldn’t understand why, at least as far as the great bands like Chic, Earth, Wind and Fire, and The Bee Gees, were/was suddenly so despised, and with a senseless kind of rage. I took it personally as an 8 year old. The fusion of soul, funk and the structure imposed upon it by the machines just sets my soul on fire. It’s got depth, intelligence, and reflects a fuller spectrum of the human experience than any other music. It breaks every rule, it is non conformist and at times ironically so. Wit, funk and passion moving freely within a calculated, rigid structure with flexible borders. Lots of contradiction.
@@quintuplebanned4267 indeed as I noticed that even in edm music black artist technically have way more feeling more groovy and overall have way more soul than the white edm artist ever had but never get any credit for it for some odd reason.
What is the song that plays from 6:30-7:00?
Can you let me know when you find it?
rezzz i will be there !!!
FABRIK AHI VAMOS; DAVID MALLADA DE BEST!
people that think techno come from ibiza dont deserve to speak about techno man!!
detroit rulezzz!!
@jadizm Grooveyard "Watch Me Now" Secret Cinema Rmx + E-Dancer "Pump The Move"
Listen carefully
7:30 how a TECHNO PARTY must be!
it is african american music . is hight tech soul.
Dope and very depressing Detroit I like the song and at the same time enlightened by the depressing atmospherics what is the name of the song?
@solan1990 That should be Derrick May - Icon.
Anyone know the track starting at 06:25?
I love people who bitch about influences and stuff like that. Its butterfly effect since stone age. And only critics bitch about it, us musicans we don't care we just make music.
Does anyone know where I can find a torrent or direct download for this full documentary and any others like it?
everybody thinks dat techno is from "ibiza" and shit. But electro is from detroit n' the first guy who played it iz atkins !
@VILKAZzzz Grooveyard "Watch Me Now" Secret Cinema Rmx
Cat stevens laid the foundations for techno? You are going to have to explain that one
has downtown detroit improved in the past decade + since this video?
Yes it has
You know, house music started in gay clubs; but, honestly, I hate going into a gay bar just to listen to techno music. And, in the small town that I grew up in, it was that or travel 4 hours (round tip) for some dancing.
realy depressing city ...
I didn't know that. May I ask why?
Midwest!!!!!!
anyone know the track ID at 7:35? heard it once before and never could figure it out.
@jadizm I dont know
Exactly, screw hip hop and rap...lol. Rock was started by blacks too. Also the black population of Puerto Rico or Cuba started Salsa which has more of an "African" sound than Rap.
peezhead ikr hip hop is the most overrated genre of music out there of mankind I don't mind old school hip hop but hip hop is just poison and promote negative stereotypes about blacks 24/7.
where can i download this movie???
wahts the name of the track derrick may is playin??? pleaaasseeee
What is the title of the song after Derrick mays scene in the broken theater
Derrick May - Icon (montage mix)