One of the few I could have gotten easily - love Steely Dan. Discovered them when they were already history, and thier albums became the soudtrack to some of the best summers of my life and countless road trips since.
@@What.its.like. Hey Jay, new sub. Prefer your voice to the robo-voice, but thanks for the great upload. I wonder what it would _feel_ like to drive or be driven in a V16? Anyone? I think if I'd been a plutocrat of the time I would be divided between the Dusenberg and the Doble. At a fraction of the price, I wonder how the Marmon might compete?
I still remember the beautiful smooth purring sound of a Marmon V16. I heard it at an outdoor car show in Dedham, Mass, in the late '90's. The owner was very happy to demonstrate his Marmon for me and several other admirers.
Jay, before today, all I knew about Marmon is that they were luxury cars and that they were the only other make to have a production V16. I never knew about the amazing technical bits or how luxurious they really were. That car is absolutely beautiful! WYR: I'll take the Marmon, but the Pierce Arrow is cool, plus my dad owned one (not a V12, tho). Only fun fact I have today is: my dad bought his Pierce for $75 (used of course) but it got repo'ed because he couldn't come up with the last $25 to pay it off. Times really WERE tough in the 30's.
What an elegant car! That interior was absolutely sumptuous, every element a statement of refined opulence. I was not at all familiar with this make, and can't thank you enough for showing us this beautiful machine. Incredible!
Eh there have been cars after 1941, but not so many now they’re pretty ugly now there are a few exceptions but everything is appliance based meaning it’s cheaper to replace than it is to fix..
@@What.its.like. Again in my most biased opinion,the last truly elegant mass produced automobile was the 41 Lincoln Continental, after that all were pretty much copies. The art in automotive design is gone.
I totally agree piano black plastic is an a luxury item. I kind of want to take a new luxury car and compare it with an old one. Yes they have more technology in the new ones but there’s nothing like a mid 30s Packard just there’s nothing like it.
Congratulations on finding a nice Rambler, you will have a ball driving it. Sounds like a 60 like an older cousin of mine had, white 4 door, automatic, and continental on the back.
@@What.its.like. Cool! I remember my first wife had a two tone green ‘59 Rambler wagon before I married her. Later, she had a ‘63 Chevy wagon. I miss both.
Marmon had it's sights set on Duesenberg's niche and was equally respected. There's some question of how much influence Teague had on it's design but his perfection of the late art-deco period is evident here. Nothing was left untouched for style with this car but such excesses couldn't overcome the depression. Marmon's decision to shift over to building trucks was a wise move, allowing them to go on when so many vehicle manufacturers couldn't, and their trucks continued their legacy of making great vehicles. WYR goes to the Marmon 16 and the Packard Twin-Six. All those choices are some of the most elegant cars ever.
I love ones where I can tell the history backstory I’m going to try to start doing them as like mini documentary series editing has definitely come along way
Fabulous fabulous, and thank you. 1931 this blissful American piece, and the Voison C20 My Lord, 1931 Straight 12 from France, also France, the 31 Buccali, and pretty much the same engine, the Auburn, the Bentleys, so many at top speeds in these few years. A lot of competition for the fabulous Marmon.
I did not know about the in-line 12 that is a car. I’m definitely gonna have to check out… I’m finding new cars every time every day I should say cars that I never knew existed. There’s a lot of cool cars coming this month.
I started driving truck in the mid 80s. At that time I looked for a truck to own, and came up with Marmon. They did the one at a time hand built trucks, and in my opinion, the best built and best looking truck on the road. So with that out of the way, I would rather the Marmon in the first choice, and the Packard in the second.
You knocked two balls out of the park, well done research both videos . The maroon coupe in the videos I just read an older magazine article about that one the owner spent a huge amount restoting that one. The Marmon 16 was an outstanding car that's the only car that had the Packard 12 beat in craftsmanship. First choice- both videos 31 Marmom 16, second 31 Pierce 16, and the 35 Auburn speedster from the engine video.
If you want to see a running Wills St Claire if you haven't checked out the video the other Jay has a beautiful green roadster, that V-8 runs so smooth, he threw some dollars at that one.
Great choices. I really wanted to try to have this done yesterday. I went to Michigan Monday and Tuesday and I drove home Tuesday. I had most of it done, but there was a few spots that I had to fix… because of bad Information.. it came from the Adrain museum so I thought it was good information. It said the Roosevelt was powered by V8 everywhere else that I saw it was a straight eight they did V8 engines at one point in time but they went to straight eight and they kinda never looked back, but I could be wrong because the research provided tons of conflicting information.. even the article that I put in the episode said the Marmon 16 is 2 in line 8 cylinders just like the Cadillac but that’s not really the case the marmon engine is cast as one piece like a modern engine ( heads come off ) the Cadillac was cast in three pieces
I’m gonna let you in on the list of cars that are coming. These are in the pipeline. I shot these Monday and Tuesday. 1935 Auburn speedster 1920 Paige 1937 Packard 12 1957 Packard hawk 1950 Studebaker champion 1926 wills Saint Clair 1917 Mercer 1927 Erskine 1926 Pierce arrow 1938 Chrysler royal 1934 De Soto airflow 1932 Essex, six And tomorrow’s episode 1937 Studebaker coupe express I might be missing a couple 1954 Kaiser darrin
The red 1931 Marmon Coupe V-16 has a modern Resto-Rod look. Very clean in its thin running board splash aprons and hood ornament. Not all cluttered up in the front end with a bunch of lights and horns. Thanks for posting, enjoyed it. ✌️
Wow, truly beautiful. Chuckled at the “Sportlite” name on the spotlight. I’ve used and maintained Unity spotlights over the years. The 20-0-20 ammeter certainly emphasizes the changes in electrical systems. There was SUCH a contrast between the magnificent cars of the 1930’s like Marmon, Duesenberg, Cadillac, Packard, Pierce Arrow, et al, and the common man’s cars like Model A Ford or a basic Chevrolet.
=) lots of unheard brands coming the goal is to cover all of the brands at least all the American brands I do realize that some car companies cars are extinct. Maybe we’ll do an episode on extinct car brands I really want to do an episode on different car brands from different states
This month is going to be absolutely epic. I can’t wait to see what’s coming for the rest of the year.. Really hoping to get tonight’s episode together it’s going to be 1937 Studebaker coupe Xpress it’s my favorite truck of all time .. =)
Of the six choices and based on the photos, I would take the Marmon and the Packard. The Marmon is a very elegant car, it’s one of the most stylish and well appointed cars you’ve shown of that era, yes even compared to Packard, et al. I did not know they made such a distinguished car. When I was a kid, my uncle used to tool around in a 28 Marmon Roosevelt, that was a cool car but not nearly as well equipped as this one. Thanks for sharing. 😉👍
My dad's family had Marmons when he was a kid in the teens and twenties. He often spoke of how beautifully made and powerful they were for the time. Thanks for this great video of a truly forgotten make! Andy
First saw a two Marmons at the Forney Car Museum in Denver when a buddy & I skipped college classes one day. Was real difficult to get information on the brand/manufacturer back in 1974 Forney also had a 1928 Hispano-Suiza extended wheelbase monster 8-passenger at the time, another rare make. WYR: Marmon on both choices. (Actually want all six of them)
Great choices I’m going to try to cover some heavy hitters this year but don’t wanna cover too many heavy hitters until the base gets a little bit bigger. Definitely want to do at least one Duesenberg. I would really like to do a Bugatti and delahaye But some of those early foreign cars are really hard to get information on
Wow wow this car is amazing I would have to pick the marmons in both scenarios today just based on what I’ve always heard and this video. In the mid 1980’s there was a steal supplier that had a retail facility in Auburn Washington that was called Marmon-Keystone and I would pick up and deliver there but for a few months they were shipping Marmon semi truck/tractors to Alaska I was told it was a remnant of the Marmon co, any information would be appreciated and yes they were very well made tractors built for Alaska duty yet very nice I’d say nicer than the peterbilts and kenworths that were made just 10 miles away in Renton. If you could I’d love to see a video on the 53 Lincoln that was parked next to the corvair yesterday
Great information I’ll see what I can dig up about that company Here is the link for the Lincoln episode. I think it was 1954. ua-cam.com/video/jqfKyxe0BxM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Hi Jay! What an absolutely stunning and iconic automobile! Walter Teague and Walter Teague Jr's design for the Marmon Sixteen is probably the epitome of 1930's Art Deco styling! I believe that Jr. also designed the slightly later HCM 12 which was a show car/prototype for the Marmon V-12, sadly never to see production! Howard Marmon, thought that maybe a V-12 version might sell better than the Sixteen. In any event, it, too is a very modern looking auto for the time. WYR #1 has to go to Peerless, due to rarity and the fact that the car had even MORE aluminum components than the Marmon. #2 For SURE the Marmon SIXTEEN!
Very pretty car with a beautiful engine. From what you say I guess I'll have to stop dreaming about buying one of these and settle for keeping my 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe. If you want to come to Costa Rica to do an episode on my Santa Fe let me know. As much as I love this car the 1931 Cadillac V16 and the 1931 Packard Twin Six really catch my eye.
I have seen one of the Roosevelt models at a small show in west central Indiana. The people drive it to shows, they looked like a very well made car for the Money! Maybe you can find one to do a what its like soon???
I’ve been looking for a Roosevelt never seen one in person. Jordan Playboy is also another car that I’ve been looking for. I would also love the cover of Ruxton this year.
now i know where the 1930s & 40s cartoonist got the idea for their cars.nothing like a 20 foot hood with spare wheels 6 feet in front of the doors on the running boards.would be fun to paralell park in town.
WYR #1 Marmon, WYR #2 Packard. This is a magnificent example of all that was best in US manufacturing! Simply beautiful. Anecdote, somewhat related - around 2008 we took a trip from Cape Town to Bloemfontein, South Africa to purchase a 1936 Lincoln Zephyr sedan. We missed that by 1 day as it had been sold. On route via the N1 we stopped for fuel at either Matjiesfontein or Laingsburg. Not sure which now as we are not from South Africa, but there wasn’t much else around, so likely Laingsburg. Walking around the back of the gas station we saw a yard full of rusty but completely intact Ford pickups from around the 1940’s as well as many Marmon-Herrington Ford trucks. These looked like they’d been parked up since the late 1950’s and the arid desert climate had kept them in pretty good shape, apart from deteriorating upholstery etc. We did eventually purchase a 1956 Ford delivery van body in Bloemfontein and saw many other classics in good shape. Probably not that appealing to US buyers as they were all tight-hand drive. South Africa still contains many automotive gems.
I’m not the best at describing eras. I’ll be the first to tell you that. But to me the doorhandles looked very modern or what was modern in the 30s doorhandles look very Cadillac like from the 80s
I'd take the Caddy, although the Marmon is a sweet one as well! In the second the Packard is sweet, but the Marmon is really cool, I'd take that one! 😎
Hermoso video BIen contexturado Le cuento Soy de Uruguay conoci un coche Marmon 1931, Pero ya no tenia su motor original habia sido reemplazado por un Ford V8 59ab .Que AUTO !
The Gilmore Car Museum is fairly close to Battle Creek, Michigan.... *almost near the center of southern Michigan and close to I-94.... It is a first rate facility... you will not be disappointed..
They made bullet proof cab over semi trucks for military use and, for their time, luxury conventional semi trucks. It's Deffinitly a cool company that I wish was still around.
Jay another great video. Factual, informative and awe-inspiring . So, when you show and talk about thee Sixteens, Marmon (in this case), Cadillac including the 16 Peerless. For me, you step into the relm's, of man's imagination to strive ever higher. Skill, quality craftmanship, prestige. Together, can only be described as the zenith of surrealism. Sounds dramatic! However closer inspection (as you showed of this Marmon) would include all these Vee Sixteen cars. . . .My statements are fully vindicated.
The Marmon V-16 was technically superior to the Cadillac and a more modern car, particularly in styling - which may have played against it, and may still sway some collector taste; it does not evidence all of the 'classic' themes that some have come to associate with the type. There is an old magazine test that directly compares a Marmon V-16 / Cadillac V-16, both owned by the late Gen. William Lyons that provides some interesing insight. WYR: 1) Given the 1 of 1 status, I'd take the Peerless for its pedigree. 2) The Marmon for its inherent superiority. (Made somewhat less challenging b/c there was no 31 Packard Twin Xis; they brought it back for 32)
My Grandfather had a Marmon Opera Coupe that wouldn't run because they couldn't get parts for the engine. He had a scrap metal/garage/used car/junkyard he'd started in 1930. Because they couldn't get parts and scrap aluminum commanded a premium during WW2, the car was dismantled and scrapped.
Oh wow, that’s a super sad story, but I can totally understand getting parts for some of these cars back in the day must’ve been a real chore without the Internet I remember going through junkyards looking for parts I ironically junkyards don’t let you do that anymore
These autos and ones built for the movers and shakers in those days art art in motion,,,, or even sitting still. I have a new passion of classics like these as well as British/European classics.
How about a Dec '73 Norton commando, bought when I was 17, now, my daily rider at 59 years old, all cafe'd out. Not comfortable to ride, but lots of fun, still a road burner, all upgrades to modernize. Nobody's ever seen one. Always draws a crowd....
57 Studebaker Hawk (my uncle owned one) 58 Packard Hawk Jay you know I love Packards and I love studebakers so this one is a tough one for me. But I honestly like the look of the Studebaker grill and front end treatment much better. That said, a Studebaker by any other name. The Packard Caribbean and Clippers were nice looking cars. I always think it's sad that so many great automobile manufacturers have gone by the wayside. You have to wonder what their products would look like today if they were still in business. I'd love to think that it wouldn't be the cookie cutter body styles we see so many of nowadays.
In terms of styling Marmon was towards a "less is more approach" (and nailed it) but was certainly as good as they came in engineering. The Wasp won the first Indy 500 interestingly by not driving as fast as the car could go but drove just under the speed of wear so the tires lasted much longer. A bit like the GT40 at LeMans where brake linings could be swapped quicker and shorten pit times. The rear view mirror although a good idea was next to useless due to vibration.
V10s, unfortunately, suffer from vibration in all 3 dimension. They have, of course, been used in modern F1 cars, but are not suitable in basic design. You could add balance systems,weird crank pin angles, etc. But at some point you must ask: " why are we doing this?" Turbo V6? Yea.....
If it was a failure, it was one of the most glorious in automotive history! WYR1: Either the Marmon or the Pierce would be great additions to my collection ... of photographs. Or a comparably priced senior Packard Eight ot Twelve. . Somehow Cadiddle-yak senior models never much appealed to me and since any of the cars in this first scenario are far too precious to drive to the grocery store (I have seen an early thirties Packard Twelve at the Publix in Peachtree City, and a 1925 Phantom I Rolls Royce at a convenience store in Spring Hill, Tennessee) I would probably go mor toward a more Budget-friendly Hupp or Auburn, maybe the Packard Light Eight from the period. WYR2: I'd take any of the three bubble-wrapped and stored in a nuke-proof bunker, but again, the Hupp, the Auburn, or the Packard Light Eight would be my real-world choice.
I got to see one running and driving yesterday whisper quiet.. as was a lot of those cars I went to a Concour event it was really cool.. it really makes me want to buy a 30s car and go touring with the Packard people join the Packard club. They’re a great group of guys and girls. =) There was a bunch of packard 12s there it was the most expensive piece of property at that point in time yesterday in Ohio easily. There was five Duesenberg’s there… 8 packard Darrin’s I got video footage of them driving by I’m going to edit it together and upload it eventually
You sayed buses but I did see a picture of a trolleybus (or trolleycoach, as sometimes was refered in U.S.A.). It's a pitty there a just a few cities left in U.S.A. with such operating vehicles. Trolleybuses are good. But on the other hand, I do like that in the U.S.A. some people are preserving history. And it's not all about money. Preserving old cars and running them, costs, but are some other items that don't cost so much in terms of keeping them or operating them, so is the will to do it. I wish that was the case in my country.
Beautiful car. However the rumbler seat at 105 MPH? Thanks, but no thanks. The proper enclosed coaches were known at the time for very long time. Why rumbler seats?
If Jay Leno wanted one, he could get one or four. 4 yrs ago Rockefeller Marmon 16 sold for $360k. A 31 coupe sold for $800k a year and a half ago. One has broke the million mark. Jay's Mclaren F1 is valued at close to $17 million. Jay has 20's 30's 40's Bentley's, Duesenberg's, Bugatti's. He's worth over $450 million. To say "Not even Jay Leno has one" is a rather weird thing to say. He could buy any car he wanted in a heartbeat. If word got out that he wanted one, people would be lining up to sell Jay a Marmon, just so they could say they did. That said, I agree, those Marmon's are beautiful.
I just said the Jay Leno thing because he has just about every pinnacle car from different eras. I totally agree with you if you wanted one, he could totally have one. Also kind of sort of put in perspective of how rare these are… I’ve been watching Leno’s garage before he even had a UA-cam channel
Probably skipped V10 engines due to the issues of making a strait 5 engine without using fuel injection. You can't get even flow resulting in different cylinder performance depending on how far each cylinder is from the carburettor. Since a V10 is two It's it'd have the same issues.
@@What.its.like. you need to find an international scout . They're a really interesting pickup truck ..or a BMW isetta France made some incredibly unusual cars. The 2 engine Citroen ..ever see one? It's got a second engine
I have a friend with a couple Citroen definitely going to cover that I know where there’s a BMW Isetta… the foreign cars don’t do that well plus a lot of that information is really hard to find for some reason so I like doing foreign cars but I just kind of pepper them in..
Marmon catalogued bodies were made to a price, and you can see it. The V-16 was a better engine than the Cadillac V-16 and should have been compared to the Cadillac engine, not the Duesenberg engine. Marmons depreciated quickly because they were an orphaned car and you could buy them for a few hundred dollars by the late thirties, no one wanted them. After the WWII scrap drives, any remaining Marmons shot up in value. Your choice cars held their value better thru the depression, but for asset appreciation the Marmon V16 was king. Marmon V16 engines were popular for refit into certain fire trucks. I suspect that many engineless Marmon chassis took back their retired fire truck V16's after WWII. Fire trucks were using aluminum engines as far back as the early teens. Wild guess on the song: You and Me by the Turtles, but don't have much confidence in my guess.
So just Exactly how are you able to open the doors and sit inside a car in museum without half a dozen Goons beating tar out of you and Throwing you out of the museum?!?! 🤔🤨
If you stop and think about it, you answered your own question as to why no V10... V8, two inline 4's... V12, two inline 6's, V16, two inline 8's... No inline 5's 🙂 LOL, een Leno doesn't have one... LOL WYR: 1) and 2) Marmon. There's something understated about it that I like in comparison to the others.
She's a beauty, how about those cars where the chauffer is in the open but the passengers had a roof, talk about separating the classes, hey, it's snowing in here, can I get a roof please.
Haha yeah I have yet to do a town car. I would love to do one this year. I had the opportunity to do one at the Gilmore, but there was so much to do there I was going to one, but then got sidetracked and totally forgot to go back.
I believe that aluminum was actually very expensive to make during that era and was almost a "precious metal" also probably not much was known about how to alloy it - pure aluminum is very weak I understand at some point a new process was discovered that allowed aluminum to be made from a common clay ? I still think iron based metal and steel if properly handled and alloyed is far superior to aluminum for most parts of gasoline and Diesel engines unless light weight is a high priority forged aluminum alloy better than cast aluminum?
The cool thing about Gilmore is they drive a lot of their stuff.. but I will agree it breaks my heart a lot of stuff just sits… but then again have you seen the way people drive now
Steely Dan --Reeling in the years
Yeah buddy you got it right out of the gate =)
Well Done 👏👏👏👍
One of the few I could have gotten easily - love Steely Dan. Discovered them when they were already history, and thier albums became the soudtrack to some of the best summers of my life and countless road trips since.
@@What.its.like. Hey Jay, new sub. Prefer your voice to the robo-voice, but thanks for the great upload. I wonder what it would _feel_ like to drive or be driven in a V16? Anyone? I think if I'd been a plutocrat of the time I would be divided between the Dusenberg and the Doble. At a fraction of the price, I wonder how the Marmon might compete?
I still remember the beautiful smooth purring sound of a Marmon V16. I heard it at an outdoor car show in Dedham, Mass, in the late '90's. The owner was very happy to demonstrate his Marmon for me and several other admirers.
That is a sleek car for sure. Beautiful. They had real designs back then. So many to choose from too.
Totally agree =) each one has their own quirks
Jay, before today, all I knew about Marmon is that they were luxury cars and that they were the only other make to have a production V16. I never knew about the amazing technical bits or how luxurious they really were. That car is absolutely beautiful! WYR: I'll take the Marmon, but the Pierce Arrow is cool, plus my dad owned one (not a V12, tho). Only fun fact I have today is: my dad bought his Pierce for $75 (used of course) but it got repo'ed because he couldn't come up with the last $25 to pay it off. Times really WERE tough in the 30's.
What an elegant car! That interior was absolutely sumptuous, every element a statement of refined opulence. I was not at all familiar with this make, and can't thank you enough for showing us this beautiful machine. Incredible!
I n my not so humble opinion, nothing elegant has been designed after 1941 and the farther we go the uglier they are.
Eh there have been cars after 1941, but not so many now they’re pretty ugly now there are a few exceptions but everything is appliance based meaning it’s cheaper to replace than it is to fix..
@@What.its.like. Again in my most biased opinion,the last truly elegant mass produced automobile was the 41 Lincoln Continental, after that all were pretty much copies. The art in automotive design is gone.
Back in the days a lot of things had style.
Nowdays, when I see what luxury means, well, it' s a joke today's luxury.
I totally agree piano black plastic is an a luxury item. I kind of want to take a new luxury car and compare it with an old one. Yes they have more technology in the new ones but there’s nothing like a mid 30s Packard just there’s nothing like it.
I recently purchased a ‘60 Rambler Super, and it has been so nice to watch videos on the ramblers- especially as a 17 year old learning about them :)
Thats awesome I absolutely love ramblers I think they’re drastically underrated for what they are what model did you buy four-door two-door wagon?
@@What.its.like. It’s a 4 door! Flash-o-Matic automatic transmission
Congratulations on finding a nice Rambler, you will have a ball driving it. Sounds like a 60 like an older cousin of mine had, white 4 door, automatic, and continental on the back.
I had a 59 Super American when I was a kid
@@What.its.like. Cool! I remember my first wife had a two tone green ‘59 Rambler wagon before I married her. Later, she had a ‘63 Chevy wagon. I miss both.
What a beautiful car that Marmon 16 is. Thanks for featuring it. I'd be afraid to touch it. LOL
I was afraid to touch it as well that’s why I didn’t get in it.. was allowed to just didn’t want to
Marmon had it's sights set on Duesenberg's niche and was equally respected. There's some question of how much influence Teague had on it's design but his perfection of the late art-deco period is evident here. Nothing was left untouched for style with this car but such excesses couldn't overcome the depression. Marmon's decision to shift over to building trucks was a wise move, allowing them to go on when so many vehicle manufacturers couldn't, and their trucks continued their legacy of making great vehicles.
WYR goes to the Marmon 16 and the Packard Twin-Six. All those choices are some of the most elegant cars ever.
Great choices. Thank you so much for sharing all that insight and information greatly appreciate it.
Always wondered what the Marmon-Herrington connection was to the Marmon automobile. I contractor near me still has a Marmon dump truck!
Another great episode keep it coming thank you
I agree
I love ones where I can tell the history backstory I’m going to try to start doing them as like mini documentary series editing has definitely come along way
WOW! What a Beauty. One of you best reviews . So much info .
Happy you dig this episode I love when it’s a brand that isn’t well known.. love diving in on the history =)
@@What.its.like. find a Ruxton or Rockne . Maybe a Blue Goose ?
That was one of your best yet .
I got the opportunity to do a Rockne
ua-cam.com/video/DfMEpJ3BraY/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I really wanna do an L 29 cord as well as Ruxton this year
Fabulous fabulous, and thank you. 1931 this blissful American piece, and the Voison C20 My Lord, 1931 Straight 12 from France, also France, the 31 Buccali, and pretty much the same engine, the Auburn, the Bentleys, so many at top speeds in these few years. A lot of competition for the fabulous Marmon.
I did not know about the in-line 12 that is a car. I’m definitely gonna have to check out… I’m finding new cars every time every day I should say cars that I never knew existed. There’s a lot of cool cars coming this month.
@@What.its.like. Or V12. 1931 Hispano Suiza, a Spanish flyer also has a V12.
Wow, what a beautiful car! I especially love the grill and that engine is a work of art.
What a beautiful car, Jay. Thanks for all the work you put into this episode.
Thank you so much for watching this one =)
Wow and Wow. What a beautiful automobile! Stunning. Thanks for this one!
You bet thank you so much for watching
I started driving truck in the mid 80s. At that time I looked for a truck to own, and came up with Marmon. They did the one at a time hand built trucks, and in my opinion, the best built and best looking truck on the road. So with that out of the way, I would rather the Marmon in the first choice, and the Packard in the second.
That’s a cool car Jay! I was thinking the same thing about the door latch looking like it came from the 1980’s.
You knocked two balls out of the park, well done research both videos . The maroon coupe in the videos I just read an older magazine article about that one the owner spent a huge amount restoting that one. The Marmon 16 was an outstanding car that's the only car that had the Packard 12 beat in craftsmanship. First choice- both videos 31 Marmom 16, second 31 Pierce 16, and the 35 Auburn speedster from the engine video.
If you want to see a running Wills St Claire if you haven't checked out the video the other Jay has a beautiful green roadster, that V-8 runs so smooth, he threw some dollars at that one.
Great choices.
I really wanted to try to have this done yesterday. I went to Michigan Monday and Tuesday and I drove home Tuesday. I had most of it done, but there was a few spots that I had to fix… because of bad Information.. it came from the Adrain museum so I thought it was good information. It said the Roosevelt was powered by V8 everywhere else that I saw it was a straight eight they did V8 engines at one point in time but they went to straight eight and they kinda never looked back, but I could be wrong because the research provided tons of conflicting information.. even the article that I put in the episode said the Marmon 16 is 2 in line 8 cylinders just like the Cadillac but that’s not really the case the marmon engine is cast as one piece like a modern engine ( heads come off ) the Cadillac was cast in three pieces
I’m gonna let you in on the list of cars that are coming. These are in the pipeline. I shot these Monday and Tuesday.
1935 Auburn speedster
1920 Paige
1937 Packard 12
1957 Packard hawk
1950 Studebaker champion
1926 wills Saint Clair
1917 Mercer
1927 Erskine
1926 Pierce arrow
1938 Chrysler royal
1934 De Soto airflow
1932 Essex, six
And tomorrow’s episode
1937 Studebaker coupe express
I might be missing a couple
1954 Kaiser darrin
The red 1931 Marmon Coupe V-16 has a modern Resto-Rod look. Very clean in its thin running board splash aprons and hood ornament. Not all cluttered up in the front end with a bunch of lights and horns. Thanks for posting, enjoyed it. ✌️
Wow, truly beautiful. Chuckled at the “Sportlite” name on the spotlight. I’ve used and maintained Unity spotlights over the years. The 20-0-20 ammeter certainly emphasizes the changes in electrical systems. There was SUCH a contrast between the magnificent cars of the 1930’s like Marmon, Duesenberg, Cadillac, Packard, Pierce Arrow, et al, and the common man’s cars like Model A Ford or a basic Chevrolet.
A car I never knew of wow great job Jay.
=) lots of unheard brands coming the goal is to cover all of the brands at least all the American brands I do realize that some car companies cars are extinct. Maybe we’ll do an episode on extinct car brands
I really want to do an episode on different car brands from different states
What a beautiful car! thank you for featuring it, Jay. I think it's great that you've been able to feature some real classic cars lately.
This month is going to be absolutely epic. I can’t wait to see what’s coming for the rest of the year..
Really hoping to get tonight’s episode together it’s going to be 1937 Studebaker coupe Xpress it’s my favorite truck of all time .. =)
Of the six choices and based on the photos, I would take the Marmon and the Packard. The Marmon is a very elegant car, it’s one of the most stylish and well appointed cars you’ve shown of that era, yes even compared to Packard, et al. I did not know they made such a distinguished car. When I was a kid, my uncle used to tool around in a 28 Marmon Roosevelt, that was a cool car but not nearly as well equipped as this one. Thanks for sharing. 😉👍
My dad's family had Marmons when he was a kid in the teens and twenties. He often spoke of how beautifully made and powerful they were for the time. Thanks for this great video of a truly forgotten make! Andy
What a torque monster!
First saw a two Marmons at the Forney Car Museum in Denver when a buddy & I skipped college classes one day. Was real difficult to get information on the brand/manufacturer back in 1974 Forney also had a 1928 Hispano-Suiza extended wheelbase monster 8-passenger at the time, another rare make. WYR: Marmon on both choices. (Actually want all six of them)
Great choices I’m going to try to cover some heavy hitters this year but don’t wanna cover too many heavy hitters until the base gets a little bit bigger. Definitely want to do at least one Duesenberg.
I would really like to do a Bugatti and delahaye But some of those early foreign cars are really hard to get information on
this car is so ahead of itself the interior ALMOST has that unfortunate early 90's billet look. gorgeous car for sure! I love ur channel!
Yeah I still can’t get over how modern this car is on the inside
Happy you dig the channel it means a lot =)
Wow wow this car is amazing I would have to pick the marmons in both scenarios today just based on what I’ve always heard and this video. In the mid 1980’s there was a steal supplier that had a retail facility in Auburn Washington that was called Marmon-Keystone and I would pick up and deliver there but for a few months they were shipping Marmon semi truck/tractors to Alaska I was told it was a remnant of the Marmon co, any information would be appreciated and yes they were very well made tractors built for Alaska duty yet very nice I’d say nicer than the peterbilts and kenworths that were made just 10 miles away in Renton. If you could I’d love to see a video on the 53 Lincoln that was parked next to the corvair yesterday
Great information I’ll see what I can dig up about that company
Here is the link for the Lincoln episode. I think it was 1954.
ua-cam.com/video/jqfKyxe0BxM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Hi Jay! What an absolutely stunning and iconic automobile! Walter Teague and Walter Teague Jr's design for the Marmon Sixteen is probably the epitome of 1930's Art Deco styling! I believe that Jr. also designed the slightly later HCM 12 which was a show car/prototype for the Marmon V-12, sadly never to see production! Howard Marmon, thought that maybe a V-12 version might sell better than the Sixteen. In any event, it, too is a very modern looking auto for the time. WYR #1 has to go to Peerless, due to rarity and the fact that the car had even MORE aluminum components than the Marmon. #2 For SURE the Marmon SIXTEEN!
Packard
Pierce Arrow
Peerless 3 P's of Course
But all are fantastic examples 😍👏👏👏👏
Happy Motoring ✌️🤠
Great choices I have yet to find a peerless I’ve never seen one in person I don’t think
@@What.its.like. Only in museums 🤔✌️
Very pretty car with a beautiful engine. From what you say I guess I'll have to stop dreaming about buying one of these and settle for keeping my 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe. If you want to come to Costa Rica to do an episode on my Santa Fe let me know. As much as I love this car the 1931 Cadillac V16 and the 1931 Packard Twin Six really catch my eye.
Thank Jay, great display of a beautiful automobile.
Happy you dig this one =)
I have seen one of the Roosevelt models at a small show in west central Indiana. The people drive it to shows, they looked like a very well made car for the Money! Maybe you can find one to do a what its like soon???
I’ve been looking for a Roosevelt never seen one in person. Jordan Playboy is also another car that I’ve been looking for. I would also love the cover of Ruxton this year.
That is stunning!
Totally agree
WYR: All of them.
That thing looks SWEET!
I was so happy to get the opportunity to do that. There’s a lot of cool content coming.
@@What.its.like. Can't wait to see it.
Another GREAT vid!!!!!! 👍👍
=) happy you dig this one
now i know where the 1930s & 40s cartoonist got the idea for their cars.nothing like a 20 foot hood with spare wheels 6 feet in front of the doors on the running boards.would be fun to paralell park in town.
WYR #1 Marmon, WYR #2 Packard. This is a magnificent example of all that was best in US manufacturing! Simply beautiful.
Anecdote, somewhat related - around 2008 we took a trip from Cape Town to Bloemfontein, South Africa to purchase a 1936 Lincoln Zephyr sedan. We missed that by 1 day as it had been sold. On route via the N1 we stopped for fuel at either Matjiesfontein or Laingsburg. Not sure which now as we are not from South Africa, but there wasn’t much else around, so likely Laingsburg.
Walking around the back of the gas station we saw a yard full of rusty but completely intact Ford pickups from around the 1940’s as well as many Marmon-Herrington Ford trucks. These looked like they’d been parked up since the late 1950’s and the arid desert climate had kept them in pretty good shape, apart from deteriorating upholstery etc. We did eventually purchase a 1956 Ford delivery van body in Bloemfontein and saw many other classics in good shape. Probably not that appealing to US buyers as they were all tight-hand drive.
South Africa still contains many automotive gems.
A very sweet car, thanks for the tour Jay! 🎉. Marmons truly were gems 💎.
Yeah they were =)
That 1931 Marmon looks a lot like the Rolls Royce of the same year. My picks here would be the Peerless and the Pierce Arrow.
I'm not convinced that the pulls and handles are modern. They do look like what was popular in American fine jewelry at the time- squared and stepped.
I’m not the best at describing eras. I’ll be the first to tell you that. But to me the doorhandles looked very modern or what was modern in the 30s doorhandles look very Cadillac like from the 80s
@@What.its.like. It's all good.
That may well be true but it did return in the 80s and later.
I'd take the Caddy, although the Marmon is a sweet one as well! In the second the Packard is sweet, but the Marmon is really cool, I'd take that one! 😎
Great choices =)
I flatter myself. I know about this car but how many others do? What a beauty.
Hermoso video BIen contexturado Le cuento Soy de Uruguay conoci un coche Marmon 1931, Pero ya no tenia su motor original habia sido reemplazado por un Ford V8 59ab .Que AUTO !
18:44 I thought you saud the small pedal to the right of the gas pedal was the starter?
Wonderful cars, wow!! Greet GER
10:18 The weight was 5000 LBS/2267 KG (The chart uses "LBS" twice... Which was probably a typo.)
Great catch
What a car!
With adequate hp and a mountain of torque, it would be an effotless car to drive, if you were brave enough to start it up!
The Gilmore Car Museum is fairly close to Battle Creek, Michigan.... *almost near the center of southern Michigan and close to I-94.... It is a first rate facility... you will not be disappointed..
Yes!!
Great place, must go to if your into cars
I wonder what those horns sound like.
31 Red Marmon of course! 31 Marmon 16 convertible.
They made bullet proof cab over semi trucks for military use and, for their time, luxury conventional semi trucks. It's Deffinitly a cool company that I wish was still around.
Even Marmon trucks we’re classy.
All of the choices are gorgeous but both of my choices are the marmon
Great choices
Jay another great video. Factual, informative and awe-inspiring . So, when you show and talk about thee Sixteens, Marmon (in this case), Cadillac including the 16 Peerless. For me, you step into the relm's, of man's imagination to strive ever higher. Skill, quality craftmanship, prestige. Together, can only be described as the zenith of surrealism. Sounds dramatic! However closer inspection (as you showed of this Marmon) would include all these Vee Sixteen cars. . . .My statements are fully vindicated.
Glad you dig this episode. I still can’t get over how modern it was on the inside especially the doorhandles to get out.
I've always been partial to the Cadillacs of them days. Especially from 33. Tougher song quizzes please!
Definitely will try to put out harder, song, quizzes, name that tune happy you dig this episode
The Marmon V-16 was technically superior to the Cadillac and a more modern car, particularly in styling - which may have played against it, and may still sway some collector taste; it does not evidence all of the 'classic' themes that some have come to associate with the type. There is an old magazine test that directly compares a Marmon V-16 / Cadillac V-16, both owned by the late Gen. William Lyons that provides some interesing insight. WYR: 1) Given the 1 of 1 status, I'd take the Peerless for its pedigree. 2) The Marmon for its inherent superiority. (Made somewhat less challenging b/c there was no 31 Packard Twin Xis; they brought it back for 32)
Not long ago I'd see Marmon trucks out and about once in a while.
My Grandfather had a Marmon Opera Coupe that wouldn't run because they couldn't get parts for the engine. He had a scrap metal/garage/used car/junkyard he'd started in 1930. Because they couldn't get parts and scrap aluminum commanded a premium during WW2, the car was dismantled and scrapped.
Oh wow, that’s a super sad story, but I can totally understand getting parts for some of these cars back in the day must’ve been a real chore without the Internet I remember going through junkyards looking for parts I ironically junkyards don’t let you do that anymore
These autos and ones built for the movers and shakers in those days art art in motion,,,, or even sitting still. I have a new passion of classics like these as well as British/European classics.
How about a Dec '73 Norton commando, bought when I was 17, now, my daily rider at 59 years old, all cafe'd out. Not comfortable to ride, but lots of fun, still a road burner, all upgrades to modernize. Nobody's ever seen one. Always draws a crowd....
Impressive, especially that horsepower.
I swear. I like ALL of them! Absolutely NO favorites because they're ALL bad ass!
Love the golden age of the Automobiles it's like fine art. Cadillac - Packard.
Totally agree
I want to put 30 cars on the map. I feel like they are being forgotten and lost the time so many cool innovations came out of that time.
57 Studebaker Hawk (my uncle owned one)
58 Packard Hawk
Jay you know I love Packards and I love studebakers so this one is a tough one for me. But I honestly like the look of the Studebaker grill and front end treatment much better. That said, a Studebaker by any other name.
The Packard Caribbean and Clippers were nice looking cars. I always think it's sad that so many great automobile manufacturers have gone by the wayside. You have to wonder what their products would look like today if they were still in business. I'd love to think that it wouldn't be the cookie cutter body styles we see so many of nowadays.
Awesome choices thank you so much for sharing all that information and insight
When you said Toodooloo! I hitted the suscribe button.
Steely Dan reeling in the years
That Marmon is incredible imagine the flapper girls you would pick up in that!!
I know right =)
Engines with cylinder numbers divisible by 4 are easier to balance, thus less vibration.
Inline 6 silently entered the chat
In terms of styling Marmon was towards a "less is more approach" (and nailed it) but was certainly as good as they came in engineering. The Wasp won the first Indy 500 interestingly by not driving as fast as the car could go but drove just under the speed of wear so the tires lasted much longer. A bit like the GT40 at LeMans where brake linings could be swapped quicker and shorten pit times. The rear view mirror although a good idea was next to useless due to vibration.
Great insight and information =)
These cars are all treasures to be saved.
V10s, unfortunately, suffer from vibration in all 3 dimension. They have, of course, been used in modern F1 cars, but are not suitable in basic design. You could add balance systems,weird crank pin angles, etc.
But at some point you must ask: " why are we doing this?"
Turbo V6? Yea.....
Great insight and information
Great job 👏
Thank you happy you dig this episode =)
If it was a failure, it was one of the most glorious in automotive history!
WYR1: Either the Marmon or the Pierce would be great additions to my collection ... of photographs. Or a comparably priced senior Packard Eight ot Twelve. .
Somehow Cadiddle-yak senior models never much appealed to me and since any of the cars in this first scenario are far too precious to drive to the grocery store (I have seen an early thirties Packard Twelve at the Publix in Peachtree City, and a 1925 Phantom I Rolls Royce at a convenience store in Spring Hill, Tennessee) I would probably go mor toward a more Budget-friendly Hupp or Auburn, maybe the Packard Light Eight from the period.
WYR2: I'd take any of the three bubble-wrapped and stored in a nuke-proof bunker, but again, the Hupp, the Auburn, or the Packard Light Eight would be my real-world choice.
I got to see one running and driving yesterday whisper quiet.. as was a lot of those cars I went to a Concour event it was really cool.. it really makes me want to buy a 30s car and go touring with the Packard people join the Packard club. They’re a great group of guys and girls. =)
There was a bunch of packard 12s there it was the most expensive piece of property at that point in time yesterday in Ohio easily. There was five Duesenberg’s there… 8 packard Darrin’s I got video footage of them driving by I’m going to edit it together and upload it eventually
You sayed buses but I did see a picture of a trolleybus (or trolleycoach, as sometimes was refered in U.S.A.). It's a pitty there a just a few cities left in U.S.A. with such operating vehicles. Trolleybuses are good.
But on the other hand, I do like that in the U.S.A. some people are preserving history. And it's not all about money. Preserving old cars and running them, costs, but are some other items that don't cost so much in terms of keeping them or operating them, so is the will to do it. I wish that was the case in my country.
Marmon trucks were hand built (no assembly line) and were guaranteed not to rattle for 500,000 miles.
Awesome
Beautiful car. However the
rumbler seat at 105 MPH? Thanks, but no thanks. The proper enclosed coaches were known at the time for very long time.
Why rumbler seats?
From the footage Jay I'm guessing they didn't want you touching it or sitting in it, no shoes and no looking over the hood from the drivers seat?
I had the opportunity to sit in it but very nervous to that car is worth over a million dollars I took shoes off out of respect for this car
Maybe a failure, but a line from Housman comes to mind:
"...And the name dies before the man..."
Nice job.
Happy you dig this episode
If Jay Leno wanted one, he could get one or four. 4 yrs ago Rockefeller Marmon 16 sold for $360k. A 31 coupe sold for $800k a year and a half ago. One has broke the million mark. Jay's Mclaren F1 is valued at close to $17 million. Jay has 20's 30's 40's Bentley's, Duesenberg's, Bugatti's. He's worth over $450 million. To say "Not even Jay Leno has one" is a rather weird thing to say. He could buy any car he wanted in a heartbeat. If word got out that he wanted one, people would be lining up to sell Jay a Marmon, just so they could say they did.
That said, I agree, those Marmon's are beautiful.
I just said the Jay Leno thing because he has just about every pinnacle car from different eras. I totally agree with you if you wanted one, he could totally have one. Also kind of sort of put in perspective of how rare these are… I’ve been watching Leno’s garage before he even had a UA-cam channel
Probably skipped V10 engines due to the issues of making a strait 5 engine without using fuel injection.
You can't get even flow resulting in different cylinder performance depending on how far each cylinder is from the carburettor. Since a V10 is two It's it'd have the same issues.
What a beautiful but almost unknown car
The unknown cars are king on this channel =)
@@What.its.like. you need to find an international scout . They're a really interesting pickup truck ..or a BMW isetta France made some incredibly unusual cars. The 2 engine Citroen ..ever see one? It's got a second engine
I have a friend with a couple Citroen definitely going to cover that I know where there’s a BMW Isetta… the foreign cars don’t do that well plus a lot of that information is really hard to find for some reason so I like doing foreign cars but I just kind of pepper them in..
Marmon catalogued bodies were made to a price, and you can see it. The V-16 was a better engine than the Cadillac V-16 and should have been compared to the Cadillac engine, not the Duesenberg engine. Marmons depreciated quickly because they were an orphaned car and you could buy them for a few hundred dollars by the late thirties, no one wanted them. After the WWII scrap drives, any remaining Marmons shot up in value. Your choice cars held their value better thru the depression, but for asset appreciation the Marmon V16 was king. Marmon V16 engines were popular for refit into certain fire trucks. I suspect that many engineless Marmon chassis took back their retired fire truck V16's after WWII. Fire trucks were using aluminum engines as far back as the early teens. Wild guess on the song: You and Me by the Turtles, but don't have much confidence in my guess.
Excellent review.
Happy you dig this one =)
$5,000 in 1931 is about $100k. That's not a bad price for a top automobile of the day.
The first "would you rather" I would take the Cadillac V-16 because they only made like 12 of them. The second one would be the Marmon.
Awesome choices =)
My neighbours first car was a Marmon 16 he bought from his boss, he said it would easily do 100+MPH
Awesome =)
I kno the old truckers locally liked the Marmon semi, considered the Rolls Royse of trucks.
Puro artdeco, solo ver los detalles cuadrados,igual no eran coches baratos. 🆗👌📹👍
So just Exactly how are you able to open the doors and sit inside a car in museum without half a dozen Goons beating tar out of you and Throwing you out of the museum?!?! 🤔🤨
I had permission it said so in the video I would never touch a car without permission there were people watching just off camera
If you stop and think about it, you answered your own question as to why no V10... V8, two inline 4's... V12, two inline 6's, V16, two inline 8's... No inline 5's 🙂 LOL, een Leno doesn't have one... LOL WYR: 1) and 2) Marmon. There's something understated about it that I like in comparison to the others.
I think there may be some folks aol accounts out there.
Hahaha
She's a beauty, how about those cars where the chauffer is in the open but the passengers had a roof, talk about separating the classes, hey, it's snowing in here, can I get a roof please.
Haha yeah I have yet to do a town car. I would love to do one this year. I had the opportunity to do one at the Gilmore, but there was so much to do there I was going to one, but then got sidetracked and totally forgot to go back.
1931 Cadillac V16
1932 Pierce V12
Remember neither Packard or Pierce had a V12 until 1932.
Great correction
Awesome choices
I'm gonna go sit in my 93 Ranger that cost more a month ago than this and cry.
You've Got A Very Rare Car There Jay 12:06
Lots of rare stuff coming this month
I believe that aluminum was actually very expensive to make during that era and was almost a "precious metal"
also probably not much was known about how to alloy it - pure aluminum is very weak I understand
at some point a new process was discovered that allowed aluminum to be made from a common clay ?
I still think iron based metal and steel if properly handled and alloyed is far superior to aluminum for most parts of gasoline and Diesel engines unless light weight is a high priority
forged aluminum alloy better than cast aluminum?
Steely Dan... Reeling in the Years, is the song
That’s the one Andrea got it first
Pity beautiful cars like this have to spend their lives languishing in museums and rarely (highly unlikely) get driven.
The cool thing about Gilmore is they drive a lot of their stuff.. but I will agree it breaks my heart a lot of stuff just sits… but then again have you seen the way people drive now