I think Brian Cox is closer to how a real psychopathic killer is in reality. I love Anthony Hopkins in his multiple Hannibal Lecter roles, but to me he always felt very gothic, almost Hammer Horror, a contemporary Count Dracula.
I am increasingly convinced that Lecter as a character was a reconfigured version of Dracula, or at least a vampire, turned into a more grounded serial killer sort of figure which tapped into the same underlying fears. The pattern possibly extends to Dolarhyde with the Wolfman and Gumb with Frankenstein’s monster as well. Even if none of it was intentional on Harris’ part, the thematic parallels remain fascinating.
You forgot to compare the MUSIC. For me the music in Manhunter is a strong character in itself. It creates a certain eerie "feel" throughout the movie.
He's comparing them on a surface level. Manhunter absolutely wipes the floor with Red Dragon in my opinion. It's by far a superior film. Everything in Red Dragon seems rushed and fake. Manhunter is deliberate and gritty just the right amount. Director uses the music in a better way, and it's just all around superior film.
@@Seven_Leafduring the research process for Manhunter, Michael Mann (I think) interviewed a murderer who said In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida was THE song of him and the person he killed. That’s why it’s in the movie.
I've come to really appreciate Brian Cox's performance - there's something to be said for playing "just" a serial killing genius cannibal, without needing to mythologize him into something superhuman.
I agree. You could argue both performances represent different acting styles. Hopkins based his performance on fictional characters like Dracula whilst Cox based his on actual Scottish serial killers he had seen in the news. Difference between traditional acting and modern acting
Which is why I actually like Cox' performance more. Because he plays a Serial Killer. Not that Hopkins did a bad job, not at all. But he makes Hannibal mysterious and, in doing so, even somewhat likeable. He overacts to a very delightful degree and gives Hannibal a certain charme... But true Serial Killers do not have that. Real Life Serial Killers are horrendous people with no morals to speak of, and are abhorrent, disgusting pieces of trash. Thus, it is not a good idea to give Hannibal such a mysterious and somewhat likeable quality - it humanizes people that do not deserve to be humanized. I mean, this is why we have such abhorrent shows as Dexter, a show so devoid of morality that they try to tell us "he only kills the bad guys".
@@DraculaCronqvist i disagree on that, true real life serial killers are awful people, but it's common among psychopaths to have a strong charisma, it's how they manipulate people, so it only makes sense that Hopkins' Hannibal would have somewhat of a twisted charm to him, Cox's Hannibal is quite intriguing too. we aren't afraid to "like" hannibal because he's a fictional character, but people like him in real life can be really persuasive.
although i love how cox comes across as a real psychopath, hopkins refined touch is scarier just because hes such a high society gentleman who begins by killing a musician who hut a single wrong note during a performance
I buy Brian Cox as a psychiatric professional more-so than Hopkins. Brian's portrayal is so nuanced, snarky and intelligent you could actually imagine talking to him where Anthony is much more overtly creepy and sinister. Brian's Hannibal doesn't have to prove how much smarter he is he just does it. Brian is the psychotic psychiatrist and Anthony's is the Bond villain.
The setting is important too. The use of a dungeon-like prison in the newer series is ludicrous. The prison in Manhunter felt more realistic, right down to Lecter having copies of the American Psychiatric Association journal on his shelf.
NC's description of of the detective in Manhunter is closer to how he's described in the book. The fake-out ending and the second climax is in the book, too. In case anyone cares. Also, did you notice that the tooth fairy tries to avoid the letter S when he's speaking? He has a speech impediment he's ashamed of, so he has practiced avoiding the sound he can't pronounce. It's an interesting writing consideration.
If I ever decide that I’m gonna adapt the Hannibal Lecter books into movies when I become a film maker, I’ll keep that in mind. But at the same time, I just gotta read the books. Though, I’d need the licensing first
I tried that once with an alien race where snake like and hissed out their S’s, it was considered rude to do it cause their tongues popped out. It was hell to write, it just made it near impossible for her to have a conversation
I mean Manhunter came out in 1986. It was way ahead of its time. Not many movie in that period talked of forensic science. It was the first and set the rest of that genre up for what it is now.
I find it rather ironic that Norton plays the more down-to-earth, mentally sound version of Graham since, as such movies as American History X and Primal Fear have shown, he’s a CHAMPION at playing unhinged psychopaths who go off the deep end at the slightest provocation.
I have to go with Manhunter, based on the fact that I own both it and Red Dragon, but I rewatch Manhunter from time to time, but not the latter. This is especially counterintuitive to me since the RD cast is so phenomenal. Manhunter just plays creepier and more disturbing/interesting for me, I guess.
Brian Cox is underrated as Hannibal, sure Hopkins is iconic and brilliant in a movie villain sense but Cox is a real psycho and far more realistic. Manhunter is a masterpiece if I'm honest.
If you haven't seen Manhunter...you really should. You just have to look past the 80s cheese. The scene where Denise Ferina and Petersen figure out where the Tooth Fairy is from watching the home videos is one of the greatest scenes in film history and gives me chills . Not to mention the "In a Gadda da Vida" climax is amazing
Also, I should say, I really like how "Manhunter", "The Red Dragon" and "Hannibal" TV series used different angles in adapting the novel, sometimes choosing different scenes...
As others have pointed out, the fake-out was in the book. The problem with it here is that Will comes away from it looking MUCH prettier than he did in the book so it has almost zero impact on the story, other than to tie up loose ends with Dolarhyde - serving as more of a "cherry on top" than a subversion of expectations. It also makes Lecter's remark about hoping Will isn't too ugly carry much less weight. I get why they did that, though. Leaving Will as a drunk in Florida "with a face like a Picasso" probably doesn't make for a very satisfying movie ending.
He showed up in Law and Order - SVU. He played a pedophile who took pictures of children. Big boo-boo - one of the children was the daughter of Elliot Stabler who lowered the boom with a literal vengeance!!!😀
AGREED! Anthony Hopkins never acted like Hannibal Lecter from the books. But it didn't matter because he was phenomenal in The Silence of the Lambs. However, he failed to recapture his performance from The Silence of the Lambs in Red Dragon. So he failed at being both.
Agree on that but Red Dragon is such a bad film (it gives away the ending in the first ten minutes). Philip s. Hoffman and Emily Watson are the only actors who came out of the film with any credibility (film not career) and both their performances where derogative of the same characters from Manhunter.
I love Cox's performance, I think Hopkins comes off a little hammy is because of the previous films and he had to keep that consistent. However I would still have to say I prefer Hopkins performance better mostly due to his eyes. The way Hopkins acts with just his eyes is terrifying, I can tell he really wants to get Will.
Just found this today - great work! Maybe it’s because I’m from the 80s, and I’d already seen and absorbed Manhunter by the time Red Dragon showed up, and it is definitely a close call, but it’s Manhunter every time for me. The whole reason this story is so interesting is because it’s Graham himself that stopped Lector, and their dynamic, which I definitely prefer in Manhunter. I’d watch Red Dragon over Silence of the Lambs any day, too, because I just don’t find Clarice Starling anything like as compelling a protagonist as Graham.
Maybe it's just because I came of age in the 1980s, the greatest decade in the history of decades, but I prefer the style and tone of Manhunter. Red Dragon is good but it feels like an afterthought and the whole franchise would have been better served by remaking Hannibal.
I agree that the 80's was the best decade...it's been downhill for music ever since BUTT I like Red Dragon better by a little bit. Both good films but Hopkins works it better as a high functioning serial killer. BTW...Long Live The 80's!!!
Troy Beals I can respect that. I wanted to see Hopkins in Red Dragon after I saw Manhunter. And I'm glad Red Dragon was made so I can see it but when it comes to re-watching, I almost always feel more in the mood for Manhunter.
Manhunter is more Will Graham’s story than anything, it’s about his struggles coming back, and the ambiguous nature of what actually happened to him works better for me. Red Dragon veers a bit too far into melodrama for my liking, and it completely does away with any subtly or ambiguity. Both are great adaptations of a great novel, BUT, there’s absolutely no doubt that Brian Cox’s understated menace is a million times preferable, to me at least, to Sir Tony’s gurning hamfisting. I love him in SOTL, but any Lecter he did after that is pure pantomime.
I tend to agree. Ratner did a fine job, but Michael Mann (the director of Heat, The Insider, Last of the Mohicans, etc.) really delivers on mood and style along with the gritty substance. He's got his classic "Miami Vice" feel going on in Manhunter as well. The guy is a brilliant director.
It's kind of weird how NC listed all those reasons why Manhunter is superior and then turned around and gave the best Lecter title to Hopkins with almost no explanation.
I guess I'm saying it again: Critic keeps talking about how Manhunter has so little music, and not a lot of memorable visuals, and the movie I saw had a *heavy* emphasis on both, where the "blank walls" are a deliberate contrast in certain locations and scenes. Also: As far as "just another kill" in Manhunter, there is the part where Dollarhyde...
I think it's obvious that Manhunter would have an edge over Red Dragon in terms of its creepiness and atmosphere. Michael Mann, the director of the movie, was also the screenwriter for the original Miami Vice TV series, a show very well known for its atmosphere and what it could do while its characters were saying relatively little. Meanwhile, the director of Red Dragon, Brett Ratner, is best known for directing Rush Hour, which is about as far away from Hannibal Lecter as it can possibly be.
Considering how big a fan I am of "Manhunter"... well, I just have to point out one thing, here: You think of the visuals in the two movies and all you can remember from "Manhunter" is white? That covers the scenes focusing on Dr. Hannibal Lecktor -- spelling theirs -- and no others, at least not that I can think of, and that's actually part of the point: In a very visual, colorful movie, Dr. Lecktor resides in another world entirely, and having to be anywhere near him puts Graham under serious stress. When he finally bails on their interview, he walks away nervously, gains speed, and then he finally starts RUNNING out of that place, and all he can see is white, white, white, until finally, he makes it through the doors, looks over the railing, and... he can only stop and catch his breath when he sees the grass. ...so, just to be clear, the *rest* of "Manhunter" has *really* cool visual shots all over the place, while not bogging down the rest of the movie at all.
Outside of the stark whiteness of the FBI offices and the prison, Manhunter is a film awash in color. Even the opening credits are a mesmerizing blend of colors. So when you see the murder scene in stark white with streaks of blood everywhere, it really makes an impact.
Ive seen Manhunter then Red Dragon. I prefer Manhunter since it doesn't really on Silence of the Lambs or Lecter and doesn't have to hold your hand throughout. Plus Manhunter feels more gritty and uncomfortable. With Red Dragon it comes across as silly, especially the added Lecter scenes. I also feel like the acting feels more natural in Manhunter, but that could just be the order I saw them in.
As far as character goes, the ones in Manhunter was all-around more interesting Francis is much more mysterious, making him more scary; Will is actually struggling with retaining his sanity; and Lecter seems more in control Got to say, kind of weird how Jack Crawford ISN'T played by Scott Glenn in Red Dragon. I love Harvey Keitel, but they don't look similar enough
Manhunter has always been the superior film, that being said the cast of Red Dragon is phenomenal, without them it would have been an OK remake instead of a good remake.
Wow, Manhunter must have one of the greatest film soundtracks of all time. I mean, screw compelling pieces and orchestras, all you need is one note on an 80's keyboard, and you're good to go!
Maybe Manhunter is made to "work" *without...* have to phrase it right, to work on its own, specifically so Dollarhyde is a mysterious figure you can only guess at from the outside.
Why on Earth did you not compare cinematography or direction?? You looked at these only at surface level. Michael Mann is much better at filmmaking than Brett Ratner, yet you ignored his amazing style.
I give it to Manhunter for two reasons, or rather characters. Will and Lecter. Now there is no denying that Hopkins portrayal of Lecter in Silence of the Lambs was brilliant, but I feel they're milking it too much in Red Dragon. Right from the beginning Hopkins is undeniably sinister, which is cool except there is no sense of occation. Brian Cox is more timid, which gives the impression of a sleeping monster that could surface at any time. There's real suspense.
Agree. Graham and Lector are both unpredictable in Manhunter. You're not quite sure what either of them are capable of in that version. I also like that we learn less about the tooth fairy, which makes Tom Noone's portrayal scarier.
I don't disagree with you but this one is so unbelievably difficult to compare because it is really hard to make the comparisons in a vacuum if you lived through the time period where Red Dragon was released. If you read all of the books and watched Silence and Hannibal then you knew that was the end of Lecter and how you would never see that character being portrayed by that actor ever again. Then all of a sudden we get Red Dragon and we get something we weren't expecting. So Lecter in Red Dragon means more than in Manhunter. There are few more iconic characters, and even fewer iconic characters so intrinsically attached to an actor as Sir Anthony Hopkins and Hannibal Lecter. An unexpected 3rd episode with that character by that actor can't be understated regardless of Cox's performance.
@@jdzspace33 Wrong. Cox's Lecktor is superior, because he is exactly like so many real serial killers. I could not find a true serial killer that was anything like Hopkin's character. Manhunter is superior because it is very realistic, while Red Dragon is more fantasy.
Cox lectar was more realistic, how real life serial killers in prison talk and behave (lot of videos available online) . Hopkins came as theatrical and dramatic.. Broadway killer Just watch interviews of real serial killers , after years in prison. They know why people come to them, and they are mostly sick of talking about this, repeating their ordeal, so they take pleasure in annoying the other person, or even "its easy, you can try it" and then laugh at the horrified "normal person"
***** Yes, that's exactly what came to my mind, after seeing a few interviews of real serial killers, especially those with no remorse. Most of them are tired of discussing the same things, are frustrated and are just sort of looking at the predictable reactions of those interviewing them, a common trait is that they also amuse themselves by going "what had you done" or "you've no idea how it feels, perhaps you could try " or "you almost think the same way don't you"
I know red dragon maybe looks like it has the “ better cinematography “ but no i love the editing style of manhunter the way the camera would be focused on the floor and move super fast and other unnatural cuts. Red dragon is too clinical for me i really love how weird manhunter was.
the thing with the fake out in red dragon though is that in the books he actually makes people think he's dead, he gets his girlfriend to lock the door and hang a key around his neck, then shoots himself in the head, but it's not him instead it's someone he abducted (i can't remember who) but he got her to put the key around his neck so she would have to feel for the body to find the key to escape, so red dragon did focus more on the story with the fake out
Always depends on one’s personal preference. I think there are improved parts in ‘Red Dragon’ (mostly with Ralph Fiennes’ as the villain; sorry but Tom Noonan’s performance is kinda meh to me), but ‘Manhunter’ doesn’t get enough credit
While I do agree with most of what the Nostalgia Critic said about Manhunter and Red Dragon, however I would've put Red Dragon's version of the serial killer was overall better. I personally think seeing him struggling to control his murderous intentions, as well as his relationship with that blind woman was generally heart breaking.
Red dragon story was about the serial killer That's why the name of the movie was Red dragon manhunter was about the hero Little Graham and how messed up he got by trying to get in the minds of these killers and find them he was the manhunter
Wow. That's a great one. He probably should have revisited the comparison with the series, but it would've been hard, I imagine. Personally, as a Thomas Harris fan, I like all of the five movies and a series. Each one has something different to hook you emotionally. A great franchise.
Sorry but I think Manhunter is better. Silence of the Lambs is better than Manhunter but Manhunter is much better than Red Dragon because of William Peterson's performance.
My real problem with this is that he basically decided Red Dragon was the better movie based on Silence of the Lambs, and what had gone into in previous movies, which is not the same as saying Red Dragon is the better movie, in and of itself.
As much as I adore Hopkins' Lecter, also in the Red Dragon, Brian Cox performance is pure magnificence if you just compare it to the book. The problem with Hopkins is that Hopkins' Lecter was established in Silence and Hannibal as an anti-hero - we know he's horrible, but we are also supposed to kinda like him. Nothing like that in Red Dragon (book), Lecter is pure evil in that.
Judging by performance of the actor alone in just the movie you can't take Anthony Hopkins character from any of the other movies cuz it's not the same so manhunter
I really like Brian Cox's performance more, but is with The Tooth Fairy that my lines really get blurred, I find both so good that I don't have an answer about who is better.
+bigevilworldwide1 Doesn't matter if it got cancelled. The series has made it to three seasons, which is impressive considering the low-ratings. And the show can also come back in a different network.
(Manhunter) Yeah, I was also completely sidetracked by the old labels in the grocery store and if I remember right, at one point the cereal changed to coffee. I don't know if the version I saw was edited or what, but it was really distracting.
Red Dragon seems like an attempt to washout Manhunter. The latter never got the success or attention that SOTL got. The critics hated how much Mann leaned into “style over substance” which I disagree with since Mann goes for realism in this film much like Nolan does in TDK. In 2024, I’d argue Manhunter is the true time tested classic and should still be, as it was before, considered part 1 of aforementioned trilogy. It’s a neon version of Hannibal Lecter (Lektor), and Michael Mann is a true auteur on Manhunter. Utilizing a ton of technique and adding his own. Oh, and the SOUNDTRACK? Willing to bet this film, and Mann’s “Thief”, influenced Drive (2011). Another film that totes rulez. Thanks for the video post.
Finally somebody else who liked Red Dragon. I love that movie. Fiennes as Dollarhyde is one of the scariest realistic and personal favorite villains ever.
One of the things I didn't get about Red Dragon is why Fiennes didn't gain more muscle for the part. They clearly brought in the lifting and he flexes his tattoo in that one famous scene, but it looks silly because he's got very little muscle on his back. They followed the book really closely and in the book he lifts 300 pounds over his head. Fiennes looks like he does work out but his physique isn't as remarkable as Dolarhyde is described in the book. I don't get it.
Could you review Hannibal Rising? You could make a parody of Silence of the Lambs reviewing Rising. Plus I could see you playing Lecter and Tamara would make a great Starling.
@@NUCLEARDASH I'm neither American nor do i say this movie IS realistic, i said it feels realistic which is a comment more about theme and atmosphere rather then content and actual realism. Stop assuming shit and have some basic literacy instead of having a go at people for perfectly normal statements!
"Then how did you catch me?" "Bruh ya fucked up." William Peterson pre CSI. This gives a window that he was made to play a criminalist with an unique perspective.
With all the characters worrying about Will in the book, it feels like Peterson's performance is more spot on and he gets emotional. Ed Norton is the reason I watched the film to begin with, because he is a great actor but it was just a cop doing his job well. The book is very very good and Manhunter is a great version . Tom Noonan is great too, but I also like Ralph Fiennes but he feels like Lector, kabuki theater almost, unlike Noonan.
Manhunter all the way. Red Dragon may have the better cast on paper, but Manhunter is better casted. Peterson is more engrossing; the killer is more terrifying, and Lecter is less theatrical. But the biggest difference is that Michael Mann is a great director with an amazing visual style and an amazing score. Brett Ratner is pure Hollywood mediocrity, and it shows.
I liked Manhunter better. In the Red Dragon movie, Graham said that he'd gotten help from Hannibal. In Manhunter, Graham needed no help from Hannibal at all -- Graham was, indeed, a lot smarter than Hannibal (who had "disadvantages" -- he was insane). Hollywood screen writers invariably botch up the book.
I agree this one is a really hard matchup, both movies are equally enjoyable. I honestly think I prefer Red Dragon in all the categories, not sure if its just a blind love of Hopkins or the fact that while they are basically the same movie they go at telling it in drastically different ways. I prefer the Red Dragon's version of Dolarhyde because all of the sympathetic scenes makes you hope and wish that he can stop, he could put the killing behind him and be with the one woman that will love him despite his physical flaws. Sure its a pipe dream but still a dream that the movie wanted the viewers to long for. Also I like Norton's version of Graham, I preferred seeing a man who while being mentally tormented by what he does for a living still manages to show that he isn't giving into the same darkness as the ones he hunts.Again that's just my personal opinion but I still love Manhunter for the animal it is.
Here's mine. Best Story: Red Dragon Best Hero: Manhunter Best Supporting Cast: Manhunter Best Tooth Fairy: Red Dragon Best Hannibal: Red Dragon (well duh) Red Dragon wins.
I would disagree The titles of the movie are based on what the movie is supposed to be about manhunter is the hero story of the stress and the trauma of hunting down the killers Red dragon is focused primarily on the story of the killer and his disconnection with people and his relationship both movies are good but I'd like the acting in manhunter better
What I gave I cant save. I had faith in your promises. Things I said, things I felt and now I'm coping with the guilt. I'll give you a reason to dance away.
A soul worth saving a life away died with the words she left me. Angels weep from the ceiling. They flood the room you left on a Monday morning. All my shame, a secluded place, and I gave you a reason to dance away!
I was born the same year The Silence of the Lambs came to theaters, and after learning that it won tons of Oscar’s including Best Picture, I was interested in checking it out.
I really like the old "Old vs. New" intro more than the newer one (for the Spider-Man movies). Partly because I imagined it featured a kid fighting his future, old-man self. Instead of the weird "look at my production value!" intro that features a white tomboy growing up into black Gandalf.
Y'know just once I'd like to see someone complain about the Critic's new episodes without bringing the cast into it. Newsflash: Rob was originally a guest star in the reviews, and nobody bitched and moaned back then. Just get over it and enjoy the damn videos.
The fuck do you mean “look at my production value”? They are in honestly pretty shit costumes against a pretty shit green screen, but that’s the point, it looks better than the old but it’s not an insane show of production value. That argument makes no sense whatsoever!
I think Brian Cox is closer to how a real psychopathic killer is in reality. I love Anthony Hopkins in his multiple Hannibal Lecter roles, but to me he always felt very gothic, almost Hammer Horror, a contemporary Count Dracula.
About as scary as Count Chocula....
As much as I love Anthony Hopkins, Brian Cox is so uncomfortable to be around, especially when he stares at Will!!
I am increasingly convinced that Lecter as a character was a reconfigured version of Dracula, or at least a vampire, turned into a more grounded serial killer sort of figure which tapped into the same underlying fears. The pattern possibly extends to Dolarhyde with the Wolfman and Gumb with Frankenstein’s monster as well. Even if none of it was intentional on Harris’ part, the thematic parallels remain fascinating.
You forgot to compare the MUSIC. For me the music in Manhunter is a strong character in itself. It creates a certain eerie "feel" throughout the movie.
I thought that In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida was silly.
@@Seven_Leaf no, the song has a feeling of genius and insanity. It fits the scene so well.
The music during the opening with the killer sneaking into the Leeds house gives me chills every time!
He's comparing them on a surface level.
Manhunter absolutely wipes the floor with Red Dragon in my opinion. It's by far a superior film.
Everything in Red Dragon seems rushed and fake.
Manhunter is deliberate and gritty just the right amount. Director uses the music in a better way, and it's just all around superior film.
@@Seven_Leafduring the research process for Manhunter, Michael Mann (I think) interviewed a murderer who said In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida was THE song of him and the person he killed. That’s why it’s in the movie.
I've come to really appreciate Brian Cox's performance - there's something to be said for playing "just" a serial killing genius cannibal, without needing to mythologize him into something superhuman.
I agree. You could argue both performances represent different acting styles. Hopkins based his performance on fictional characters like Dracula whilst Cox based his on actual Scottish serial killers he had seen in the news. Difference between traditional acting and modern acting
Which is why I actually like Cox' performance more. Because he plays a Serial Killer. Not that Hopkins did a bad job, not at all. But he makes Hannibal mysterious and, in doing so, even somewhat likeable. He overacts to a very delightful degree and gives Hannibal a certain charme... But true Serial Killers do not have that. Real Life Serial Killers are horrendous people with no morals to speak of, and are abhorrent, disgusting pieces of trash. Thus, it is not a good idea to give Hannibal such a mysterious and somewhat likeable quality - it humanizes people that do not deserve to be humanized. I mean, this is why we have such abhorrent shows as Dexter, a show so devoid of morality that they try to tell us "he only kills the bad guys".
@@DraculaCronqvist i disagree on that, true real life serial killers are awful people, but it's common among psychopaths to have a strong charisma, it's how they manipulate people, so it only makes sense that Hopkins' Hannibal would have somewhat of a twisted charm to him, Cox's Hannibal is quite intriguing too.
we aren't afraid to "like" hannibal because he's a fictional character, but people like him in real life can be really persuasive.
@Alex Ziemba yep it's one of the greatest shows ever, I think mads mikkelsons' portrayal of hannibal is the best
although i love how cox comes across as a real psychopath, hopkins refined touch is scarier just because hes such a high society gentleman who begins by killing a musician who hut a single wrong note during a performance
I buy Brian Cox as a psychiatric professional more-so than Hopkins. Brian's portrayal is so nuanced, snarky and intelligent you could actually imagine talking to him where Anthony is much more overtly creepy and sinister. Brian's Hannibal doesn't have to prove how much smarter he is he just does it. Brian is the psychotic psychiatrist and Anthony's is the Bond villain.
What's your analysis of Mikkelsen's?
@@TheEternalOuroboros much more megalomaniac like a Bond villain of which Mads actually was lol
@@zaxbitterzen2178 Lol, thanks for your insight mate
Manhunter is the better film in my opinion because, on top of the cast, i love the way Mann shoots the film.
For me Red Dragon is just a movie, Manhunter is great cinema.
Ironic that Manhunter focuses more on Graham's family when it doesn't have the ending back at his house
The setting is important too. The use of a dungeon-like prison in the newer series is ludicrous. The prison in Manhunter felt more realistic, right down to Lecter having copies of the American Psychiatric Association journal on his shelf.
NC's description of of the detective in Manhunter is closer to how he's described in the book. The fake-out ending and the second climax is in the book, too. In case anyone cares.
Also, did you notice that the tooth fairy tries to avoid the letter S when he's speaking? He has a speech impediment he's ashamed of, so he has practiced avoiding the sound he can't pronounce. It's an interesting writing consideration.
If I ever decide that I’m gonna adapt the Hannibal Lecter books into movies when I become a film maker, I’ll keep that in mind. But at the same time, I just gotta read the books. Though, I’d need the licensing first
You are 100% correct. The plot of the original Red Dragon story includes his tragic upbringing.☹
I tried that once with an alien race where snake like and hissed out their S’s, it was considered rude to do it cause their tongues popped out. It was hell to write, it just made it near impossible for her to have a conversation
I mean Manhunter came out in 1986. It was way ahead of its time. Not many movie in that period talked of forensic science. It was the first and set the rest of that genre up for what it is now.
Ironic because Petersen would end up on CSI
Always this weird link 🤣
I find it rather ironic that Norton plays the more down-to-earth, mentally sound version of Graham since, as such movies as American History X and Primal Fear have shown, he’s a CHAMPION at playing unhinged psychopaths who go off the deep end at the slightest provocation.
Let’s not forget The Score with Robert DeNiro and Marlon Brando.
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He was just an exvellent manipulator in that one. Nothing particularly " unhinged". What OP truly left out IMO is the Fight Club.
I have to go with Manhunter, based on the fact that I own both it and Red Dragon, but I rewatch Manhunter from time to time, but not the latter. This is especially counterintuitive to me since the RD cast is so phenomenal. Manhunter just plays creepier and more disturbing/interesting for me, I guess.
I pardon you.
Brian Cox is underrated as Hannibal, sure Hopkins is iconic and brilliant in a movie villain sense but Cox is a real psycho and far more realistic. Manhunter is a masterpiece if I'm honest.
If you haven't seen Manhunter...you really should. You just have to look past the 80s cheese. The scene where Denise Ferina and Petersen figure out where the Tooth Fairy is from watching the home videos is one of the greatest scenes in film history and gives me chills . Not to mention the "In a Gadda da Vida" climax is amazing
Also, I should say, I really like how "Manhunter", "The Red Dragon" and "Hannibal" TV series used different angles in adapting the novel, sometimes choosing different scenes...
As others have pointed out, the fake-out was in the book. The problem with it here is that Will comes away from it looking MUCH prettier than he did in the book so it has almost zero impact on the story, other than to tie up loose ends with Dolarhyde - serving as more of a "cherry on top" than a subversion of expectations. It also makes Lecter's remark about hoping Will isn't too ugly carry much less weight.
I get why they did that, though. Leaving Will as a drunk in Florida "with a face like a Picasso" probably doesn't make for a very satisfying movie ending.
Tom Noonan's creepiness factor has always registered high with me.
He showed up in Law and Order - SVU. He played a pedophile who took pictures of children. Big boo-boo - one of the children was the daughter of Elliot Stabler who lowered the boom with a literal vengeance!!!😀
the best portrayal of lector is Hopkins in silence of the lambs. But for me Cox is a better Lector in manhunter than Hopkins is in red dragon.
AGREED! Anthony Hopkins never acted like Hannibal Lecter from the books. But it didn't matter because he was phenomenal in The Silence of the Lambs. However, he failed to recapture his performance from The Silence of the Lambs in Red Dragon. So he failed at being both.
Agree. Hopkins was incandescent in SotL, but by his third film playing Lecter he got really hammy.
Nah Hopkins is the true lector and we have other movies to develop him and won a oscar
Agree on that but Red Dragon is such a bad film (it gives away the ending in the first ten minutes). Philip s. Hoffman and Emily Watson are the only actors who came out of the film with any credibility (film not career) and both their performances where derogative of the
same characters from Manhunter.
I love Cox's performance, I think Hopkins comes off a little hammy is because of the previous films and he had to keep that consistent. However I would still have to say I prefer Hopkins performance better mostly due to his eyes. The way Hopkins acts with just his eyes is terrifying, I can tell he really wants to get Will.
Just found this today - great work! Maybe it’s because I’m from the 80s, and I’d already seen and absorbed Manhunter by the time Red Dragon showed up, and it is definitely a close call, but it’s Manhunter every time for me. The whole reason this story is so interesting is because it’s Graham himself that stopped Lector, and their dynamic, which I definitely prefer in Manhunter. I’d watch Red Dragon over Silence of the Lambs any day, too, because I just don’t find Clarice Starling anything like as compelling a protagonist as Graham.
The timing in Manhunter works, Red Dragon feels stretched out and shows too much.
you should compare the movies to the tv series.
+melo13melo especially the last season which is almost all red dragon
+melo13melo The series wins hands down.
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I just realized now that Hannibal Lecter reminds me of Palpatine.
Ironic.
If they ever adapt another book to the screen;
Somehow, Hannibal Lecter returned.
@@SergioMach7 "...long have I waited for my grandchild to come home. I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here, ms. Lecter"
Maybe it's just because I came of age in the 1980s, the greatest decade in the history of decades, but I prefer the style and tone of Manhunter. Red Dragon is good but it feels like an afterthought and the whole franchise would have been better served by remaking Hannibal.
*laughs
"What's so funny??"
"He said the eighties was the best decade!!"
I agree that the 80's was the best decade...it's been downhill for music ever since BUTT I like Red Dragon better by a little bit. Both good films but Hopkins works it better as a high functioning serial killer. BTW...Long Live The 80's!!!
Troy Beals I can respect that. I wanted to see Hopkins in Red Dragon after I saw Manhunter. And I'm glad Red Dragon was made so I can see it but when it comes to re-watching, I almost always feel more in the mood for Manhunter.
Manhunter is more Will Graham’s story than anything, it’s about his struggles coming back, and the ambiguous nature of what actually happened to him works better for me. Red Dragon veers a bit too far into melodrama for my liking, and it completely does away with any subtly or ambiguity. Both are great adaptations of a great novel, BUT, there’s absolutely no doubt that Brian Cox’s understated menace is a million times preferable, to me at least, to Sir Tony’s gurning hamfisting. I love him in SOTL, but any Lecter he did after that is pure pantomime.
I remember seeing manhunter back in high school. Gives me creeps still to this day. Come on, pre-Heat Mann, no contest....
I tend to agree. Ratner did a fine job, but Michael Mann (the director of Heat, The Insider, Last of the Mohicans, etc.) really delivers on mood and style along with the gritty substance. He's got his classic "Miami Vice" feel going on in Manhunter as well. The guy is a brilliant director.
It's kind of weird how NC listed all those reasons why Manhunter is superior and then turned around and gave the best Lecter title to Hopkins with almost no explanation.
Red Dragon is more faithful to the word of the book, but Manhunter is by far the superior film.
I guess I'm saying it again:
Critic keeps talking about how Manhunter has so little music, and not a lot of memorable visuals, and the movie I saw had a *heavy* emphasis on both, where the "blank walls" are a deliberate contrast in certain locations and scenes.
Also: As far as "just another kill" in Manhunter, there is the part where Dollarhyde...
I think it's obvious that Manhunter would have an edge over Red Dragon in terms of its creepiness and atmosphere. Michael Mann, the director of the movie, was also the screenwriter for the original Miami Vice TV series, a show very well known for its atmosphere and what it could do while its characters were saying relatively little. Meanwhile, the director of Red Dragon, Brett Ratner, is best known for directing Rush Hour, which is about as far away from Hannibal Lecter as it can possibly be.
Raloh Fiennes really shines in Red Dragon. his performance is of the wall.
That smile with Hoffman.
I'm strongly in the Manhunter camp here
Considering how big a fan I am of "Manhunter"... well, I just have to point out one thing, here: You think of the visuals in the two movies and all you can remember from "Manhunter" is white?
That covers the scenes focusing on Dr. Hannibal Lecktor -- spelling theirs -- and no others, at least not that I can think of, and that's actually part of the point: In a very visual, colorful movie, Dr. Lecktor resides in another world entirely, and having to be anywhere near him puts Graham under serious stress.
When he finally bails on their interview, he walks away nervously, gains speed, and then he finally starts RUNNING out of that place, and all he can see is white, white, white, until finally, he makes it through the doors, looks over the railing, and... he can only stop and catch his breath when he sees the grass.
...so, just to be clear, the *rest* of "Manhunter" has *really* cool visual shots all over the place, while not bogging down the rest of the movie at all.
Outside of the stark whiteness of the FBI offices and the prison, Manhunter is a film awash in color. Even the opening credits are a mesmerizing blend of colors. So when you see the murder scene in stark white with streaks of blood everywhere, it really makes an impact.
Ive seen Manhunter then Red Dragon. I prefer Manhunter since it doesn't really on Silence of the Lambs or Lecter and doesn't have to hold your hand throughout. Plus Manhunter feels more gritty and uncomfortable. With Red Dragon it comes across as silly, especially the added Lecter scenes. I also feel like the acting feels more natural in Manhunter, but that could just be the order I saw them in.
As far as character goes, the ones in Manhunter was all-around more interesting
Francis is much more mysterious, making him more scary; Will is actually struggling with retaining his sanity; and Lecter seems more in control
Got to say, kind of weird how Jack Crawford ISN'T played by Scott Glenn in Red Dragon. I love Harvey Keitel, but they don't look similar enough
I wish the Red Dragon theme played whenever I entered a room.
They do make Hugh Darcy's Will Graham in the Hannibal series closer to William Petersen's Will Graham.
Having watched the Hannibal series in order of release I can still say Manhunter is the best film in the franchise.
Manhunter has always been the superior film, that being said the cast of Red Dragon is phenomenal, without them it would have been an OK remake instead of a good remake.
Wow, Manhunter must have one of the greatest film soundtracks of all time. I mean, screw compelling pieces and orchestras, all you need is one note on an 80's keyboard, and you're good to go!
Vivir I agree it's very creepy.
And the use of "In a gadda da vida"
Have you heard of The Thing, good sir?
@@inr9751 Dun-dun.... dun-dun... dun-dun... It's amazingly awesome!
One note?
If you enjoyed visuals for both movies then that's because Dante Spinotti was the cinematographer for both films.
Maybe Manhunter is made to "work" *without...* have to phrase it right, to work on its own, specifically so Dollarhyde is a mysterious figure you can only guess at from the outside.
Took me a while to realize that Graham in Manhunter is played by Gil Grissom from CSI Vegas. He looks so young it was hard for me to recognize him.
Why on Earth did you not compare cinematography or direction?? You looked at these only at surface level. Michael Mann is much better at filmmaking than Brett Ratner, yet you ignored his amazing style.
I give it to Manhunter for two reasons, or rather characters. Will and Lecter. Now there is no denying that Hopkins portrayal of Lecter in Silence of the Lambs was brilliant, but I feel they're milking it too much in Red Dragon. Right from the beginning Hopkins is undeniably sinister, which is cool except there is no sense of occation. Brian Cox is more timid, which gives the impression of a sleeping monster that could surface at any time. There's real suspense.
Agree. Graham and Lector are both unpredictable in Manhunter. You're not quite sure what either of them are capable of in that version. I also like that we learn less about the tooth fairy, which makes Tom Noone's portrayal scarier.
I don't disagree with you but this one is so unbelievably difficult to compare because it is really hard to make the comparisons in a vacuum if you lived through the time period where Red Dragon was released. If you read all of the books and watched Silence and Hannibal then you knew that was the end of Lecter and how you would never see that character being portrayed by that actor ever again. Then all of a sudden we get Red Dragon and we get something we weren't expecting. So Lecter in Red Dragon means more than in Manhunter. There are few more iconic characters, and even fewer iconic characters so intrinsically attached to an actor as Sir Anthony Hopkins and Hannibal Lecter. An unexpected 3rd episode with that character by that actor can't be understated regardless of Cox's performance.
@@jdzspace33 Wrong. Cox's Lecktor is superior, because he is exactly like so many real serial killers. I could not find a true serial killer that was anything like Hopkin's character. Manhunter is superior because it is very realistic, while Red Dragon is more fantasy.
I'd like to see him watch Hannibal the series XD Mads mikkelsen's portrayal was nothing short of perfection
Can you please bring this series back
Cox lectar was more realistic, how real life serial killers in prison talk and behave (lot of videos available online) . Hopkins came as theatrical and dramatic.. Broadway killer
Just watch interviews of real serial killers , after years in prison.
They know why people come to them, and they are mostly sick of talking about this, repeating their ordeal, so they take pleasure in annoying the other person, or even "its easy, you can try it" and then laugh at the horrified "normal person"
+kanishq ruhil Totally agree. Hopkins is a fantastic actor, but his Hannibal is too much of a "mustache twirler". Cox is chillingly naturalistic.
*****
Yes, that's exactly what came to my mind, after seeing a few interviews of real serial killers, especially those with no remorse.
Most of them are tired of discussing the same things, are frustrated and are just sort of looking at the predictable reactions of those interviewing them, a common trait is that they also amuse themselves by going "what had you done" or "you've no idea how it feels, perhaps you could try " or "you almost think the same way don't you"
Why was the blind woman wearing a watch in Red Dragon?
PatZeb To feel the ticking maybe? It might be for a coping mechanism, instead of its intended purpose.
I know red dragon maybe looks like it has the “ better cinematography “ but no i love the editing style of manhunter the way the camera would be focused on the floor and move super fast and other unnatural cuts. Red dragon is too clinical for me i really love how weird manhunter was.
the thing with the fake out in red dragon though is that in the books he actually makes people think he's dead, he gets his girlfriend to lock the door and hang a key around his neck, then shoots himself in the head, but it's not him instead it's someone he abducted (i can't remember who) but he got her to put the key around his neck so she would have to feel for the body to find the key to escape, so red dragon did focus more on the story with the fake out
Always depends on one’s personal preference. I think there are improved parts in ‘Red Dragon’ (mostly with Ralph Fiennes’ as the villain; sorry but Tom Noonan’s performance is kinda meh to me), but ‘Manhunter’ doesn’t get enough credit
Tom Noonan was subtle, and brilliant.
@@edwarddore7617 True, I think I could take Hopkins in a fight, but Noonan would vaporize me in a hearbeat.
He should do this one again, but with the Hannibal series.
While I do agree with most of what the Nostalgia Critic said about Manhunter and Red Dragon, however I would've put Red Dragon's version of the serial killer was overall better. I personally think seeing him struggling to control his murderous intentions, as well as his relationship with that blind woman was generally heart breaking.
Red dragon story was about the serial killer That's why the name of the movie was Red dragon manhunter was about the hero Little Graham and how messed up he got by trying to get in the minds of these killers and find them he was the manhunter
Who else gets the feeling that he's reuploading all old vs new videos so that he can make a new one.
+TheReubenthegreat Sure hope so.
+TheReubenthegreat One can only hope. I love this series!
Manhunter. Its a brilliant movie. its WAY better than red dragon.
Wow. That's a great one. He probably should have revisited the comparison with the series, but it would've been hard, I imagine. Personally, as a Thomas Harris fan, I like all of the five movies and a series. Each one has something different to hook you emotionally. A great franchise.
Same. :-)
Sorry but I think Manhunter is better. Silence of the Lambs is better than Manhunter but Manhunter is much better than Red Dragon because of William Peterson's performance.
My real problem with this is that he basically decided Red Dragon was the better movie based on Silence of the Lambs, and what had gone into in previous movies, which is not the same as saying Red Dragon is the better movie, in and of itself.
Subtleblunt Duality Red Dragon is still a good movie though IMHO
As much as I adore Hopkins' Lecter, also in the Red Dragon, Brian Cox performance is pure magnificence if you just compare it to the book. The problem with Hopkins is that Hopkins' Lecter was established in Silence and Hannibal as an anti-hero - we know he's horrible, but we are also supposed to kinda like him. Nothing like that in Red Dragon (book), Lecter is pure evil in that.
Judging by performance of the actor alone in just the movie you can't take Anthony Hopkins character from any of the other movies cuz it's not the same so manhunter
I really like Brian Cox's performance more, but is with The Tooth Fairy that my lines really get blurred, I find both so good that I don't have an answer about who is better.
Winner:
The 2013 Hannibal TV series.
+bigevilworldwide1 Doesn't matter if it got cancelled. The series has made it to three seasons, which is impressive considering the low-ratings. And the show can also come back in a different network.
+Hank Pym have you not finished the show yet.
+jude scheidler They plan each seasons ending as a sort of final ending, in which may continue, in risk of being cancelled.
jude scheidler Despite how season three ended, they can always continue with the story.
Hank Pym Like what happened in season 2
(Manhunter) Yeah, I was also completely sidetracked by the old labels in the grocery store and if I remember right, at one point the cereal changed to coffee. I don't know if the version I saw was edited or what, but it was really distracting.
It's been forever since I've seen Manhunter, but you just can't out villain Tom Noonan. So suck it, Voldemort!
Red Dragon seems like an attempt to washout Manhunter. The latter never got the success or attention that SOTL got. The critics hated how much Mann leaned into “style over substance” which I disagree with since Mann goes for realism in this film much like Nolan does in TDK. In 2024, I’d argue Manhunter is the true time tested classic and should still be, as it was before, considered part 1 of aforementioned trilogy. It’s a neon version of Hannibal Lecter (Lektor), and Michael Mann is a true auteur on Manhunter. Utilizing a ton of technique and adding his own. Oh, and the SOUNDTRACK? Willing to bet this film, and Mann’s “Thief”, influenced Drive (2011). Another film that totes rulez. Thanks for the video post.
Thief may be the most underrated and slept on movies of all time.
Manhunter is better than Red Dragon.
3:15 Holy shit it's Gil Grissom!!!
Finally somebody else who liked Red Dragon. I love that movie. Fiennes as Dollarhyde is one of the scariest realistic and personal favorite villains ever.
Never met anyone IRL who didn't like Red Dragon sooo.......uhhhh.....you need to hang around different people bruh.
He’s Voldemort. Of course he’s terrifying.
Manhunter is a masterpiece. It is not even close.
Okay, who thought he said Emma Watson at 12:13 and you just sat there like
"That doesn't look like Hermione at all."
Manhunter all the way for me
That Caspar Jump-scare at the end! You nearly gave me a heart attack!
one of my favorite 80s movies, the music, the style, the grit, everything :)
One of the things I didn't get about Red Dragon is why Fiennes didn't gain more muscle for the part. They clearly brought in the lifting and he flexes his tattoo in that one famous scene, but it looks silly because he's got very little muscle on his back. They followed the book really closely and in the book he lifts 300 pounds over his head. Fiennes looks like he does work out but his physique isn't as remarkable as Dolarhyde is described in the book. I don't get it.
Dancy from the tv series is like Petersen in performance.
Could you review Hannibal Rising? You could make a parody of Silence of the Lambs reviewing Rising. Plus I could see you playing Lecter and Tamara would make a great Starling.
He ended up doing that when he did "Hannibal" last year! You're prescient!
@@ShadowSonic2 I saw it and thought it was great! lol thank you i write.
Manhunter is superior IMO.
LESS IS MORE.
Red Dragon is such an underrated movie. It feels very realistic in a creepy way
North americans just dont know what realistic means, it is amazing how far you people have come from what is real or not
@@NUCLEARDASH I'm neither American nor do i say this movie IS realistic, i said it feels realistic which is a comment more about theme and atmosphere rather then content and actual realism. Stop assuming shit and have some basic literacy instead of having a go at people for perfectly normal statements!
Pettersson captures Will Graham from the book perfectly
. And I am ahuge Norton fan
Now it would be Red Dragon vs Manhunter vs Hannibals final season.
Manhunter is way better than Red Dragon.
+Hank Pym absolutely superior.
Coos Oorlog Mah nikka.
bigevilworldwide1 The TV series is awesome! Mads Mikkelsen is the definitive Hannibal Lecter.
+bigevilworldwide1 Nice attempt at trolling.
+Hank Pym well thats debatable
"Then how did you catch me?" "Bruh ya fucked up."
William Peterson pre CSI. This gives a window that he was made to play a criminalist with an unique perspective.
Funnily enough, I got a trailer for the BFI dvd release of Silence of the Lambs before the video started. Was that intentional?
With all the characters worrying about Will in the book, it feels like Peterson's performance is more spot on and he gets emotional. Ed Norton is the reason I watched the film to begin with, because he is a great actor but it was just a cop doing his job well. The book is very very good and Manhunter is a great version . Tom Noonan is great too, but I also like Ralph Fiennes but he feels like Lector, kabuki theater almost, unlike Noonan.
Manhunter all the way. Red Dragon may have the better cast on paper, but Manhunter is better casted. Peterson is more engrossing; the killer is more terrifying, and Lecter is less theatrical. But the biggest difference is that Michael Mann is a great director with an amazing visual style and an amazing score. Brett Ratner is pure Hollywood mediocrity, and it shows.
Ralph F. performance was overwrought and forced, Tom Noonan was truly terrifying and enigmatic.
The weird background in Man hunter shows how Kubrick faked the Mars landing
Can't wait for the Jungle Book Old vs New.
Zhao Dragión me too
red dragon is the better movie to me as Anthony is one of the greatest actors alive.
RED dragon added sequences that weren't in the book mainly because of the success of Antohu Hopkins performance as Lecter
I liked Manhunter better. In the Red Dragon movie, Graham said that he'd gotten help from Hannibal. In Manhunter, Graham needed no help from Hannibal at all -- Graham was, indeed, a lot smarter than Hannibal (who had "disadvantages" -- he was insane). Hollywood screen writers invariably botch up the book.
How did you know what I had for breakfast?
Holy hell that new thumbnail looks great.
I really enjoy these old vs new videos.
Hopkins is very novel and characterfull but Cox is the objectively better and more realistic performance.
I agree this one is a really hard matchup, both movies are equally enjoyable. I honestly think I prefer Red Dragon in all the categories, not sure if its just a blind love of Hopkins or the fact that while they are basically the same movie they go at telling it in drastically different ways. I prefer the Red Dragon's version of Dolarhyde because all of the sympathetic scenes makes you hope and wish that he can stop, he could put the killing behind him and be with the one woman that will love him despite his physical flaws. Sure its a pipe dream but still a dream that the movie wanted the viewers to long for. Also I like Norton's version of Graham, I preferred seeing a man who while being mentally tormented by what he does for a living still manages to show that he isn't giving into the same darkness as the ones he hunts.Again that's just my personal opinion but I still love Manhunter for the animal it is.
Here's mine.
Best Story: Red Dragon
Best Hero: Manhunter
Best Supporting Cast: Manhunter
Best Tooth Fairy: Red Dragon
Best Hannibal: Red Dragon (well duh)
Red Dragon wins.
I would disagree The titles of the movie are based on what the movie is supposed to be about manhunter is the hero story of the stress and the trauma of hunting down the killers Red dragon is focused primarily on the story of the killer and his disconnection with people and his relationship both movies are good but I'd like the acting in manhunter better
Fun fact: Brian Cox voices Lionel Starkweather from Manhunt made by Rockstar Games
I really need to watch Manhunter.
You should.
Right on.
After you check out Manhunter, check out Thief.
Of course Red Dragon won, Bobby Fish and Kyle O'Reilly are one of the greatest Tag Teams of the past decade.
What I gave I cant save.
I had faith in your promises.
Things I said, things I felt and now I'm coping with the guilt.
I'll give you a reason to dance away.
A soul worth saving a life away died with the words she left me.
Angels weep from the ceiling.
They flood the room you left on a Monday morning.
All my shame, a secluded place, and I gave you a reason to dance away!
I was born the same year The Silence of the Lambs came to theaters, and after learning that it won tons of Oscar’s including Best Picture, I was interested in checking it out.
I really like the old "Old vs. New" intro more than the newer one (for the Spider-Man movies). Partly because I imagined it featured a kid fighting his future, old-man self. Instead of the weird "look at my production value!" intro that features a white tomboy growing up into black Gandalf.
uknownada I always just interpreted it as neighbors rather than future/past self.
Y'know just once I'd like to see someone complain about the Critic's new episodes without bringing the cast into it. Newsflash: Rob was originally a guest star in the reviews, and nobody bitched and moaned back then. Just get over it and enjoy the damn videos.
The fuck do you mean “look at my production value”? They are in honestly pretty shit costumes against a pretty shit green screen, but that’s the point, it looks better than the old but it’s not an insane show of production value. That argument makes no sense whatsoever!
It's not really that deep lol