USED Holden ZB Commodore. What goes wrong and should you buy one? | ReDriven used car review
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The Holden Commodore copped an almighty amount of flak when it was launched. Many claimed it ‘wasn’t a real Commodore. So it will annoy many to hear it’s actually one of the best Commodores ever to exist. That aside, Holden no longer exists in Australia, so prices have fallen, so is it a good idea to buy one, or should you steer clear? Watch to find out.
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00:14 - What is it?
03:48 - Tech & features?
08:41 - What's it like to drive?
11:02 - Safety
11:46 - What goes wrong?
20:29 - Should you buy it?
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These are not terrible car. The problem with it was the naming. If you just call it Holden Insignia it would've been fine.
💯 agree Holdens Biggest mistake was to call it a Commodore
I agree on the marketing side but I dont understand why ppl are bothered, original VB commodore was based on the Opel Commodore. Commodore was an Opel nameplate before it ever appeared on a Holden and without it we'd have never had the commodore line in aus
It's the way we define it identity. A good car can be called it original model designation regardless of where it's sold. If it kept the model name Insignia nobody would've cared. I've got 2 Commodores myself right now. To me as an enthusiast,Commodore are big dumb RWD,V8 and preferably manual. FWD or AWD V6 and I couldn't justify it as a Commodore. Same as my affinity with AMG. RWD,V8 making the right noises. Hence why the W204&W205 will be my last AMG. They're not the best cars but they're the cars that I prefer.
Holden already ranged “Holden Insignia” after Opel pulled pin in Australia and Holden Insignia was sales flop.
mate years ago had one of these as company hacker despite being a 4cyl the dam thing went like a rocket don't the acceleration times but I'm confident it was edged the V6 VF Commodore
I purchased the V6 RS Awd 3.5 years ago and it has now just over 100,000kms on it. Its been an exceptionally good car! If you change the diff oil and trans oil frequently you are far less likely to have any of the reported (albeit rare) drivetrain issues. These are a smooth drive and quite powerful too if you run it on 98ron. I've seen 0-100kph verified on a GPS dragy device in 5.7 seconds. The RS V6 is the value pick at around $20,000 as you get most of the driving experience of the VXR for a significantly lower cost. I'll be keeping mine, it's too good a drive to let go and the value is unbelievably good. Keep up the great work Redriven, you deserve all the success coming your way.
Same RS as yours and mine has now done 62,000k and has been perfect apart from some hum noise only when cold for a couple of k,s from the rear end. Changed the diff oil and it has all completely disppeared so its a good tip to keep the oil fresh. Car recently serviced and it was perfect and like new underneath mechanically.
My dad had a ZB RS-V and loved it. Called it the best Commodore that Holden never made. And that's coming from someone who's family owned a Holden dealership and had owned Commodores since the VB.
Its all true Holden's will never die
holden didn't make it but
Guess he hasn't put enough kms on it till everything starts breaking
Its not a funking holden
I doubt it puts a massive smile on your face every time you drive it unlike a SSV Redline Series 2 with it's factory exhaust and the SSV has all the same safety tech except for the adaptive cruise which is rubbish anyway.
7:48 You get your own "heat seaters"? Now that's exclusive to Holden! =)
Gotta be careful of a 'Heat Seater' aimed straight at your Butt!
Unless you owned an old Beetle. Then you also got them. Didn’t even need to press a button to start them either, but it was rather spontaneous.
Hahaha came here to see if anyone else heard that
I think the biggest problem with these was Holden, and therefore GM's cynical attitude towards the Australian public when selling these, and the likes of the Arcadia etc. Marketing them as "Australia's own car" or whatever crap they spouted at the time was poorly researched, and showed that as a corporation, GM was very out of touch with what the Australian buying public were expecting.
Truthfully though, that issue went back a long time before this thing was brought out. With cars like the Craptiva, Epica, Cruze and other very second rate vehicles, all wearing the Holden badge, it was only a matter of time before the guillotine came down.
In reality wasn’t the commodore the only vehicle Holden ever actually engineered?… everything else was either rebadged Daewoo, Opel, Isuzu or GM.
GM couild not run a chook raffle
They were only here in Australia due to thr fact that various governments game them millions and millions of $, If not they would have left 20 years earlier
@lukeclifton4392 no, the majority of Australian built Holden vehicles were engineered in Australia, if not modified versions of American platforms. For example, If I remember correctly, the HQ-WB series was based on a GM D-BODY platform, but I can't be 100% on that without researching, which I can't be bothered doing right now, haha.
@daweigo6851 100%. Towards the end, most of the government funding got funnelled back into GM in the U.S, to help keep them afloat, AFAIK.
Bought a RS wagon new in 2018 because I wanted a wagon and it was german built. I knew I was buying an Opel. However I didnt expect Holden to pull out of Australia which caught me by suprise. I have had the transmission replaced, AC replaced and body kit come loose. All fixed under warranty. I still have the car and use it mainly to do long distance driving for which it is sublime. It took months to get the transmission replaced (waiting for parts -we could blame Covid for the shipping issues) and about a week in the shop getting it fixed. So all the comments made about the car is pretty accurate. I always get it serviced by Holden as they usually in the know before somethng goes wrong. I learnt that lesson when I owned s Forester. The dealers usually are aware of issues before hand than independant meachanics (my experience). Also the interior in my car has held up well , I have 7 year old boy who shows scant regard to what he does in the car. I think it is a great drivers car and I think the wagon looks better and has copious amount of room. I have transported a large freezer with room to spare.. I like this channel so I thought I will add my 2 cents for anyone thinking of buying one.
Thanks for the info. I'm really interested in the wagon, but as I like to keep cars for 10+ years, the potential problem of sourcing parts is too much of a concern for me :-( Otherwise I'd quite happily own one, I don't care about the name badge dramas, I just want a family wagon not an SUV!
If this was named anything else but the Commodore, it would have been pretty well received, but the fact that it was seen as the successor to the beloved VE and VF Commodores who had the last of the V8’s many die hard fans (including myself) felt that this tarnished the Commodore name. It had nothing about it to be named a Commodore, it was just a European import slapped with the Commodore name badge, and on top of that it was only available with a 3.6L V6 and a 2.0L turbo 4 banger with no V8 in sight which also caused controversy amongst the Holden fans. If Holden named this with another name and let the true Australian Commodore’s go out with a bang with the VF model then this as I said wouldn’t have copped so much criticism.
the original 1979 commodore was a european design, modified to stick in the 6 and V8 engines. As the presenter states, all commodores were similar mixed bags of modified euro vauxhalls and opels with US based engines from the GM parts bin. This one just went back to the base unit without modifications and was fully imported.
@@richlawrence4160 true but the original VB was the first "Commodore". Imagine if GMH had shitcanned the HZ and called the first Commodores "Kingswood" and "Premier"? There were a lot of diehards back in the late 70s that wanted to stubbornly stick with their Kingswoods as the size of the Commodore was thought to be too small. GMH in the late 70s was a real mess from decisions made in the early 70s trying to sell Kingswoods/Premiers, Commodores and Toranas/Sunbirds as Holden's large and medium car segment. This was due to uncertainty with the price of oil from the OPEC shock of '73 and the Iranian Revolution in '79. Imagine how things would have turned out if Holden held their nerve and built the original WA (with a liftback like the Rover SD1) and kept the associated lineup of wagons and commercials well into the 1980s.
Great insight, never thought of that.
In any case, it would not have avoided the demise of Holden. But yes, you're correct, what a moronic strategy on behalf of Holden. I doubt the outcome would have been worst had they named it something else. Cheers
Bought an Ex WAPOL ZB and my goodness is this car powerful. its just the RS but regardless of what ZB model you get, you're getting a great car at a good price.
there are 2 reasons why this copped so much flak from the Holden community and they are
1: it was Front-Wheel-Drive! and
2: it didnt have a V8 option anywhere
Holden fans were fine with calling a Skunk a Cat until the factory took away the V8 and Rear Wheel Drive.
exactly, dealer tried to sell me one, I said I will wait till the v8 version is available
That wasn’t the problem. The Commodore name was already dead. The only people who bought the previous generation were fleet buyers or the odd Holden die hard. And fleets had already moved on.
It had V6 awd version they never got overseas maybe they should have followed Toyota Camry/Orion and just badged V6 as Commodore...
I think you really mean 'fanbois'
👍from a Ford fan FWD😫
I picked up a Holden Demo 2020 ZB Calais V6 Wagon in 2021 at the height of vehicle pricing when everything was stupidly expensive. These were by far the best value car on the market for their features and performance. My idea was to have it as a daily driver for a while and sell it when the car market calmed down, but I still have it I can't justify selling it when it does everything right as a daily driver. It's still in warranty and has heaps of space for passengers and throwing the dogs in the back. The only issue I've encountered was a faulty fuel gauge which is common and was fixed under warranty. The Calais is no performance car, but they are genuinely quick and handles great for such a large wagon.
I’m a Holden man through and through. I have the last of the VF v8s. I never thought anything about these, till I drove one. The v6 awd is amazing, especially if you get a VXR or Calais V . If you haven’t driven one your opinion is worth absolutely nothing. I work in the car industry and it’s one of my favourites to drive.
Great review! You guys are killing it!! (Much love from the UK)
Loved the quote, "obviously we're not talking Japanese build quality here" Mr Morris has nailed it again.
German build quality ?
@@cxv6367 About 20 years ago German Engineers sacrificed strength and longevity for low fuel consumption and emission controls. Buying a German car any more than 5 years old is now a lottery on whether you'll get any of your money back, after you've paid for all the maintenance needed to keep it on the road. What Moron puts a Timing Chain with cheap plastic tensioners at the rear of the engine block?
@@tsubadaikhan6332 Yes, was probably just around 2000-01 merc started, to try and keep up with everyone else, to pump out many different models and multiple levels. Well, quality dropped off so rapidly some were lucky to get 15000k's and just as another example simple things like badges, decals and trim were obviously crooked qc had declined so far. Father worked in rental and lease cars and many companies gave up on the once unequivocally highest regarded marque till things improved.
To be fair "Japanese build quality" itself is not as it used to be, especially those manufactured outside of Japan
I absolutely loved that car. Such a brilliant thing on the press route from Melb to San Remo. AWD made it a weapon.
Those massage rollers can be felt in the seat after several hours behind the wheel, which I know because I drove the sportwagon from Melbourne to Sydney.
Also that flip-up cover on a 60thou ZB is actually functioning compared to the POS one in my 2018 Outback at 40thou.
It's just insane how Opel got mismanaged by GM. They have been ruining the brand for far too long and naming the brand differently in every region has put it in an identity crisis. It didn't suprise me that Stellantis made it profitable right the first year opel got handed 😂
GM were not going to call it an Opel here in Australia when Holden was already an established brand. In fact the Astra was sold in Australia for a short while under the Opel brand and that didn't work.
Love. My VXR, Best Holden I've driven, and I'm an e.x Test Driver for Holden at Lang Lang, I have driven every model Holden ever built, way above any other in all aspects. Forget the name bullshit.
Maybe I'll be outcast by fellow Holden fans, but I like the ZB and almost replaced my VF SS-V with one in late 2022.
I love my VF for the usual reasons: its super fast, looks fantastic, loaded with tech, and is Australian.
But prices on the ZB were so low that it was almost tempting to buy a low mileage wagon. Looks are subjective but I think it still looks good, the interior did still have a Holden feel and was well assembled, it was roomy, and despite not being a rocket, felt very refined on the road.
I can't speed often in the SS-V and this ZB was still fun and the fuel economy would be a huge improvement.
I decided to keep the SS-V because of the emotional attachment but I dont blame anyone who buys one.
Holden was in a tough spot and was screwed either way with the naming of this car. Keeping the Commodore name ticked off the loyalists. But using the failed Insignia name or any other new model name would have no name recognition and this car would ve unheard off. It was an unenviable position
I bought a Buick Regal Tour X in 2019.
It was a model 2018 but was unsold for almost a year and when I bought it it only had 92 miles.
The original MSRP was $45,000 US but I ended up paying $27,500.00.
It recently turned 135,000 miles and the only repairs have been a replacement rear wiper motor and a power window motor.
Never failed to start or leave anybody stranded.
Happy Australia Day 2024 everyone.
that's not very PC 🙂
Either I missed your point or you missed mine. :( Cheers anyway cvx
I think if they had have called it something else it might have been more successful
Great job on the video and thanks for sharing. After owning several Commodores over the years and the countless I worked on and after getting rid of my VZ Ute I was actually considering buying a ZB as I had no problem with the Commodore badge going on it specially now Holden is no more.
Have been caught up mechanical problems with my personal cars so many times although my VZ V6 had 300k kms on it and was running the original chains thanks to 5000km oil and filter changes from when I first got it. I did have other problems with it and at times like every other car and bike I owned I know the experience at times with sourcing parts but after watching this I think I’ll pass and go for something else. Being an older retired fella and after 40 odd years building and repairing cars and bikes I’m over crawling around under cars and what not and these ZBs sound a lot more problematic than I’d like which is a shamed because they look like a very nice car and having a now rare station wagon (bloody SUVs) again in my life would have been a great bonus. Anyway thanks for the video and for sharing. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
My father in law has a ZB Commodore RS. For $20k they are incredible value. Well made, good dricing experience, good boot space and for a fantastoc price.
I hired a RS ZB and it was a fantastic car the 2.0 turbo had great power and economy. No lag from the turbo and great torque.
The start stop feature becoming broken would be a blessing for any vehicle
I owned a ZB Calais wagon and it was one of the nicest cars I’ve bought UNTIL I bought a blue Toyota crown hybrid exactly the same one that you reviewed,yes it’s much older but what a fantastic car the crown hybrid is
Great review guys 👍
I'd honestly look at a Bitter Vero Sport or Bitter Insignia (pending the cost) as from what I understand they reworked the motors to be more reliable.
Had to laugh at Dave with the protection quip at the end of the safety features overview.
I was honestly surprised that rust isn't a major issue with these considering what their forefathers suffer from.
Brilliant video guys, keep up the good work and l look forward too Sunday's video as per usual 👍.
I have the VXR model it has done around 77k and I absolutely love it, for the first month of ownership I could not keep my foot out of it and it loves to drink gas, the exhaust note on these are fantastic combined with the 9spd auto its such fun to drive. I'm learning to drive a bit more sedately and the fuel consumption is good (around 9.5 -10l /100k). I also notice and this could be because its totally blacked out, wheels, tints, all chrome blacked that it gets a lot of looks from people, a great solid car for $30k nz.
Keep Dave doing the safety features, he’s a bloody legend.
Gotta love the only safety feature you don't get is protection from other Commodore Drivers abusing you for not buying a Real Commodore.
Haha yeah I had a good chuckle to myself.
‘18 Calais Tourer 160k. Zero issues. Very tight & beautiful to drive…however paint at the top of the windscreen started to peel. Two rims have cracked with country pot holes.
I got called for weeks to purchase on of these. They couldn’t give them away at that stage, no one wanted them.
Poor sales does not equal a bad product.
Spot on, thanks guys. As the owner of a used RS-V with the same drivetrain as the VXR, I see it as one of the best kept motoring secrets of all time. I love the fact that they are not common on the roads - adds to the X-factor.
More like the why factor...
Very witty@@joanneburford6364 Have you driven one?
Great review guys , Jim has Probably never had so much time in his segment explaining - potential issues 😂
As a long time Alfa owner, I'd have the v6 wagon in a heartbeat. Probably the best looking non-exotic wagon since the 159 SW Tbi. My only problem - apart from concern over sourcing parts/workshops as these age now that Holden is dead and buried - is that for the same money I could get a similar age Giulia Veloce.
Great video! Just bought some wipertech blades thanks for the discount. Any chance you will be reviewing a mg3 anytime soon please. Keep up the great work.
The first Commodores were designed by Opel but could not stand up to our local conditions testing found. I had a VC for over 2o years. The best commodores were the last one made in Australia. It was a nice car.
Best car I've ever owned.. by far.. 2018 ZB Sports Wagon RS, 2.0 Direct Injected turbo.
Such a pleasure to drive, I sometimes go for a drive, just for fun!
Entertainment system is AWESOME, crank it up SO loud and heavy.. no distortion awesome base, crystal clean!
very few complaints.. but here they are.. and are so minor.
Swapped the Brigestone supercats for Pirelli's.. WAY WAY BETTER grip and less noise.. (front used to slide out at speed, in a tight turn, in the wet.. no more!)
Phone connectivity is via USB cable (phone calls work via BT, but maps and such don't - USB only WTF?) I added a USB to BT unit in center console.. everything via Bluetooth now - perfect now & how it should have been from factory though..
The electric side mirrors are not automatic (you have to press a button to extend/retract) sometimes I forget, but meh! (S/W update could fix that? but future Holden support?)
The auto stop/start defaults to ON every restart, hate that! (I bought an odb2 start/stop disable unit - sorted it).
The car has door lock knobs, granted useful to check if it's locked.. but they located them right where your arm sits when driving like an aussie, could have put them towards the front of the door sill instead of rear... also when MetalicA is pumping.. hard, the knob vibrates in its hole, some heatshrink sorts that.
Glovebox could have been bigger, there's room for it, but they didn't capitalize on it.
Should have added the twin exhaust tail pipes on the wagon (std on the hatch).. just mentioning as it's a sportier look. not a fault..
Paint is too thin for my liking... and does scratch easy... (I'm just very careful who I park next to now!) haven't had any fading, but garaged @ home.
that's it...
Other than these cosmetic/picky things.. EVERTHING else is spot on..
Super powerful (no turbo lag, like the Mondeo I had prior)
NEVER had any mechanical issue of any form (6 years now) (160k)
SO Happy I bought this car, and I've owned/driven (as company cars) quite a few..(20+)
oh.. and there is a sunglass compartment up top? maybe just in the sportswagons??
My 2c
AJ
Hi from Alan from the city of Birmingham second city of United Kingdom just to say love your reviews as I’ve got the same car in grey 8 speed automatic Diesel, as I’ve had it for six months now after upgrading from the older model and it’s an absolute superb motor and value for money as it’s two years old the one I’ve got low mileage and i saved myself nearly 10,000 English pounds from what it was brand-new as it still looks as good as a new one, as i would recommend this car to any one 👍
Hired one in Oz. It was awesome. Felt like a silky six but was turbo .
The Vauxhall variant really struggled in the UK due to badge snobbery and image issues. After Clarkson panned it’s predecessor (Vectra) Vauxhall struggled to sell this type of car. People also preferred to have an Audi A4 or 3 series BMW or an SUV. I think they’re a good looking and very capable car, especially a sporty wagon!
I think a bigger problem for his type of car was cheap finance and leasing deals on German brands. Once you could get a 3 series or a C class for the same or similar monthly payment nobody wanted an insignia. Same went for the Mondeo and the Honda Accord. The Passat only survived because VW managed to convince the public they are an upmarket brand. As much as I'd like to blame Clarkson for it I think the cheap leasing deals are more to blame.
The Vectra replacement was the Insignia though, and TG loved that.
@@EnvyCT9Athe Vectra was ultimately the better selling car though on a global scale. They are much more reliable as well
Brought one the Tourer V wagons after years and years of Passat wagons or Merc wagons, and this is the first Holden since a torana as a kid, and I’ve got to admit it brilliant. It’s perfectly named, tourer, and this is all I use it for. Fuel use is great, comfort good, it just eats miles and isn’t (so far) afflicted with euro sensor issues every few months (cars were all sold after 3 years). Commodore is over a year out of warranty and honestly I’ve had no gripe to justify flicking it
Great review you've tempted me to buy one.
They are great. Even the diesel is a beast and uses no fuel
@@richardggeorge thank you for the tips. The wagon is also smart
Why would someone hate the looks of this car? It looks great, IMO. Especially the hatchback/liftback version that the US got, as well as the Regal TourX (a lifted AWD version of the wagon). Like someone in the comments mentioned, if it had gotten a different name it may have sold better.
We have the tourX in Australia its the calais tourer except ours has the big v6 and not the 4cyl like the US
I bought a 2018 Calais V late last year (25k NZD, 70000km). I have had some ongoing issues with the AC and a compressor is on back order....in saying that, of the many cars I have owned this is my favorite to date. I love driving it. The tech features are well refined, the lane keep assist etc is there but doesn't get in the way like some cars to. Its quick, handles really well, its quiet and comfortable. Its a bit harder on petrol than expected around town, but very economical on the open road. My only real gripe is with lack of storage space for the driver, my phone won't fit in the small wireless charging pocket. and the radar detector uses the lighter socket, which sticks out over the drink hole. These days there are few family cars that are "drivers" cars, this car fits that description. Was either this or a ute - if you like driving it's a no brainer.
This is so true. ZB is such a good car. It rails. I drove one for work for about 80,000ks. Awesome. I would have bought one at auction but needed a dual cab. Last time I looked could get the V6 at auction for 20k.
I couldn’t stop laughing at how impressed old mat was with the push to fold rear seat functionality
Yeah, my Mazda6 had that in 2002….
Apart from the stinger,
You’d probably consider a fully loaded Mazda 6 wagon brand new for 55-60k or in the past 5 years in the or so in the $20-40k segment as a contender. Not quite as fast as either and not as much tech probably but still plenty of car and perhaps better parts availability ongoing
had an rs wagon for about 3 years drove it from syd to adelaide and was the best car i have ever driven... ultimate sleeper car
I've got 2 family members with the 2.0Td Calais. One car has done 195k & the other one has clocked up 335k . Neither have had major problems so far . Both have been very good overall
We own a Rs Zb and absolutely love it. Can’t fault it at all.
Can you imagine how good they'd be these days? I was fortunate to have a final model V6 series 2 ute and it was simply great. Felt good on long trips, equal to my Mercedes on trips from Sydney to Melb etc.
I had an RS with the V6 as a rental once, it was a good car and pretty nice to drive. When it was time to buy a new car I considered this but ended up going with a Kia Stinger GT because overall I feel it is a better car
There is a fine looking silver car just to the right hand side of Jim, bet that doesn't have timing chain problems.
Great video as always, I just miss when you gave us the real fuel consumption you found instead of just giving the consumption claimed by the manufacturers.
How about including an old person test in the run down.. ie. how easy it is getting in and out of as it's not always just down to the height of the seat
I changed from a VY Berlina to a ZB RSV, ZB is much easier to get out of with my dodgy back. I'm 6'2" tall.
I'm deeply in love with this incredible car and of course am fearful of future parts availability, luckily I adore the Stinger so would choose it, but they're both delectable 😊
Stinger also history
I'm feeling the Korean may be more trustworthy for parts support than the French-owned orphan. @@cxv6367
Love my ZB. Enormous bang for my buck. My newly licensed daughter has pretty much taken it over and loves it because apparently all har mates think it looks cool. If they hadnt called it a commodore, it would be people would be singing its praises, but hey, keep bagging it and I will get another one cheap.
Got one of them, great car for the money. 100 times better than my VE i had previously
I have the UK VXLine trim model, personally I think looks sleeker than the VXR but that's just personal choice, it comes with the kit and different 20" alloys. Now on 70k miles and is just like new. One of the best cars Ive owned and I've had it for 5 years. Such a shame the model in the range is no longer to be progressed.
Best car I've ever owned, but the AC hose issue happened 3 months ago. Can't get replacement parts from anywhere, but hoping I can get a local guy to make a new hose with connectors this week. There's a huge backorder on the AC hose because GM aren't making enough of them.
I never actually thought they were ugly or bad to drive, but sacrificing your dignity to that extent would be very hard. And European Holdens have always been horrid as they age. Vectra, Astra, Barina etc...
I'd have a Stinger a million times before I bought one of these.
Yeah, hadn't thought about the Stinger, much better argument.
Chrysler 300, I'd have one over the Holden and Kia... in fact I do have one! :D I bought a used 2012 model in late 2015, and it's been good! Aside from bluetooth not working for about 2.5 years (it started working again last month), and the steering wheel buttons randomly not working (probably a loose connection), it's been reliable. The heated and cooled seats (and heated steering wheel) are brilliant, and the Alpine sound system is pretty good.
The wife and I bought a zb Calais tourer
Back in May 2018
Honestly it was the nicest car I’ve ever owned
It truly was a premium car
Went like a cut snake
Great on fuel
Really good on rough roads
Amazing car for over taking
Unfortunately due to circumstances we sold it after 18 months
It was the most depreciated car I’ve owned also
Paid $65,000
After 18months and 27,000ks
The best offer we got was 18,000ks
It truly was a beautiful car
Got ripped.
Not surprised.
65 grand is ludicrous, you definitely got ripped off by 10s of thousands. I paid 45k for mine brand new🤣
Not a Commodore. Got a VF SV6 recently and love it. This kind of Euro car is fine, they are great with a Skoda Badge on them.
GMH really stuffed the marketing of this! Would definitely consider this if if i was looking at a NA v6
Thanks Adam & Jim, the ZB was a consideration down the track, but meh, I’ll just stick with what I’ve got now thanks.
Singapore has the 1.5 (4 cyl) turbo engine available. Available in FWD. How more/ less reliable is this engine compared to the 2.0 turbo?
No mention of sequential indicators. The lightshow at this price for these release years is excellent.
Styling wise, yes the Commodore has always been based on or inspired by contemporary Opels but mechanically it was a completely different story. The VB had more in common with the Kingswood underneath the Rekord/Senator mishmash body than it did with either of the Opels. The VN then had that original platform just with widened sills. It only shared the front doors with the contemporary Opels. VT, same again, it only shared the front doors.
Yeah, it's not entirely Australian but surprisingly enough, up until the FG X Falcon the Australian made car with the most Australian made content was the *Toyota Camry/Aurion*. It's still not entirely fair to ping the previous Commodores for not being Australian.
The HQ to WB and the VE and WM were all clean sheet Australian designs apart from drivelines (except 202, 308 253 and Traumatic trans etc). Will not be giving up my WB Magnum or WB HSV Grange. Aurion was an Australian design, Camrys not so much - see them all around the world. Mitsubishi Magna and Verada from 96 to about 2003 until the 'Galant' 380 were mostly clean sheet Australian designed as well and exported as Diamante.
I've owned a ZB Calais Tourer wagon for five years now and it has been the best car I've had as far as drivability and performance goes for a station wagon. The interior has worn really well, even with two kids. Problems I've had include fuel sender, transmission, thermostat (replaced under warranty)and A/C has never been very cold, even from new. I don't want to replace it as I can no longer buy a V6 station wagon, and I'm not a fan of SUVs
I was initially interested in this over the Stinger due to it being AWD. But after doing some research into the ZB V6 around modifying, the engine bay setup seems to be too tight to even add a turbo or supercharger and the AWD system may not be able to process the added power. The Stinger is still the better car imo.
I'm lucky enough cause I got 2015 volvo S80 T6.... one owner car with less than 50k kilometres. Hope we can get a review on these one.
People forget that the VB-VL platform was also from an Opel 4 cylinder car.
Even though I loved my VK HDT enhanced car, the body flex was concerning.
Coming down into Adelaide back in the day, cranked into the Devil's Elbow, the windscreen cracked and glovebox popped open😅😅😅
The Volvo S90 and V90 are probably as good as a competitor as any. Less power from the 2.0Ltr turbo, but has Volvo build quality. The V60 and S60 Polestar versions only went to 2016 and so are a bit older but have a bit more punch with nearly 250kw. The S60 also was given to Heico to modify and these are rare and highly sought after. 300kw monsters that have upgraded suspension and tuning, as well as brakes. You should check one of these out if you can find one!
I've always rated these cars, and would have no issues owning one, fantastic cars, puts "real holdens" to shame.
Really what you're saying is the best driving commodore is really not a commodore. I'm impressed that the rear seats fold down. That was the main annoyance I had
I have 2018 VXR, the rear differential rebreather had to be fixed under warranty. Ended up having the whole diff replaced. The car had only done 10,000kms. Other than that it’s been trouble free. The V6 has remarkable fuel economy for a 3.6L engine, better than my 2.0L turbo 4 I owed before it.
I'm sure it was a good car, but several issues worked against it:- calling it a Holden Commodore when it wasn't locally made like the previous Commodores, and the fact that buyers had lost interest in this type of car generally. SUV's were replacing large sedans as the choice for families.
When the ZB was released, i gave it five years. It was virtually gone after three.
Sick Opel ;)
We didn't get the V6 in Europe sadly, top spec was the 2.0 I4.
Yeah, Holden was never going to get a V8 in it but felt they had to at least have the six for this market and as some form of continuity.
I have a 2019 Buick Regal Avenir with the turbocharged I4. Great car, a more luxury-oriented trim as opposed to the GS/VXR. Beautiful white leather interior, very pleasant ride and handling. Seems to be the most uncommon trim here in the U.S. on an already very uncommon car. Only issue I've had was the transmission control module needing to be reset due to rough shifting from 4th to 5th gear. A simple plugging in of a laptop and recycling the system took care of that. Other than that, no issues. The door lock thing rattles in its hole sometimes, but that's the only minor annoyance. It only has 35,000 miles (56,000 km), but so far, it's been great.
Great review. It was A shame that people didn't buy cars anymore when that Commodore comes out.
I owned new Holdens all my life .When I replaced my VE I was not interested in the Imported Commodore didn’t even test drive it .Bought new 2019 V6 SL Toyota Camry best car I have ever owned First car I have owned that hasn’t had to go back to the dealer with something wrong with it .Beautifully made quality from Japan .The motor is as smooth as silk the VE Commodore was a very noisy motor not smooth at all .Only one regret with the Toyota is that i hadn’t bought them years ago .
I was one of the lucky few to drive these at Lang Lang before they were put on sale. We put the car through some serious hard driving to compare it back to back with the European engineered one. They performed really well and overall it's almost the perfect car. I considered buying one but as we all know, everyone hated them so resale value put me off. The bogans needed something to cry about. I've had most commodore models and buy far this feels the best to drive
I've owned the opel version (2.0CDTI 8 speed automatic) for 3 years now. 60.000 kilometers without issue.
I really love this car
One weird little detail. I do have a spot for sunglasses near the central mirror.
I can't imagine why Holden wouldn't have that.
Mine also has the camera and automatic mirror dimmer do that can't be it.
I am however jealous we can't get the V6.
It's European predecessors (insignia A and vectra C) had a V6 option
Mazda 6 hatch had those boot levers and protecty flap thing in 2008
"Question for you; If you wouldn't buy that (ZB Commodore) or this (Kia Stinger), what would you buy?" Answer; A 2017 VF Series 2 Commodore. Just bought a VF Series 2 wagon and it actually almost brings a tear of frustration to my eye every time I drive it when I realise that Holden/GM finally got it right with the last evolution of the Australian-made Commodore line and then they killed it off for good. Problem is that now if you are in the market for an affordable large rear wheel drive sedan or wagon (or even RWD SUV for that matter) then you are clear outta luck; it's either FWD or you have to dig deep into your wallet to afford for a premium European.
No. Buy the Stinger. Far superior to the VF - much more modern, and a better drive and likely to be trouble free for many years. The VF V8 may be a bit better suspension wise if you're driving at 10 tenths, but that'll be the only time you'd wish you'd bought the Holden.
I bought the base model (LT) wagon new in NZ for $30k in late 2019, although it was built in 2018 which shows how bad sales must have been. The second-hand Mazda 6 wagon I looked at the same time had 70000km on it and was only $500 less. I traded a VF Calais V6 wagon in on the ZB giving up the memory leather heated seats (they'd stopped working anyway, repair quote $3k) and HUD in the process. Do miss the VF HUD, but otherwise the ZB LT has most other features the VF Calais had. So far I've only had one reliability issue, it just stopped working one night, totally dead, as in turning over but absolutely no fire, had to be towed to garage. It was a faulty fuel pump controller, just out of warrantee (of course). Fortunately not that expensive in the end at ~$550, but it took 3 weeks to diagnose and source parts etc. Now just coming up to 65000km with a maybe up to 1/3 of those towing. Still goes great, looks and drives well, no issues towing, easily delivers better than claimed fuel economy and doesn't feel like a really big car to drive the way the VF did. Not sure what to get next to match all that - if only they'd called it an Insignia as hellothere4342 said or really anything but Commodore and not offended their whole Aussie fan base.
In parts of Europe and in Turkey, the older generations came with the (Astra too) 1.6 CDTi 4 Cylinder 136hp 320nm engine (simple remap takes it up to 170ish hp and 400nm of torque). One of the best, if not the best 1.6 liter diesel engines ever made tbh especially when paired with the 6 speed torque convertible automatic gearbox that they were offered with. Never knew the new generation was ever even sold in Australia, let alone the 3.5 liter petrol V6. I genuinely think it has one of the best looking design along with new Mazda 6. If the 2.0 diesel engine is the same one we've had here in past and present, I havent heard good things about it, but again, never driven one of these.
It feels like you were giving it more credit than what it’s due, when you went it the vf which has a objectively much better interior than the zb (great seats, soft touch everywhere, good looking centre console) you said it’s “not that bad”. I’ve been in both and the vfs are much higher quality and actually feel like it has love put into it.
I've done 102,000 and it hasn't missed a bit. Drives beautifully, 235kw, and, leather sits, wagon, etc... only people that know bugger all about cars can call it a bad car. And it's German maid.
I'm a long time Commodore customer, my local dealer threw me the keys to each model of these. When I handed them back I didn't want them to know I liked them as I didn't want to get bent over for one so I distracted them by saying the 2L motor should be in the Astra. I might have bought one if the 2L came in the AWD which was available overseas.
Work have a few Turbo Diesels for the reps, multiple have had engine sensor failures and one goes into limp home mode when you try to kick it in the guts to overtake on the highway, been back to the dealer multiple times
Was really considering getting one then the mechanic brought me back to reality.
I am looking at purchasing a 2018 Holden Commodore RS ZB Auto AWD I took it for a test drive yesterday I found in sports / manual shifting the gears shift in the opposite direction than the normal gearbox's. that's ok. what I had a problem with was the gears were over reviving in manual mode. is this normal? Can anyone shed some light on this that would be great.
I kinda hate to admit it... but I do like these. The VXR in particular is pretty sweet looking.
I've been browsing for Ford Mondeo MDs for a little bit but this makes me consider if this Holden might be another option.
Adam what's the watch you're wearing?
Had they just called it the Holden Insignia, they would have sold more. I've driven the base model & found that to be a good drive. Better marketing when it first arrived would have changed opinions. I wish Holden was still with us but I can't have everything can I? Well, I still own 2 2003 Holden VY S utes. one with a V6 & the other a V8 so I have what I want!
Also keep Dave, he might be a filthy motherflipper, but he sure effin' knows what he's talking about!
I have the 2ltr RS, it's an awesome car
I had a vxr for my company car….great car never had a issue and it went hard
Well since parts are going to be imported anyway, you might as well buy, as I have, a Toyota Mark X Premium. Similar size and polarising looks, 234KW V6, lots of luxury features, Lexus built quality and Toyota reliability. Easy enough to find one locally, mechanicals shared with Lexus IS and GS and no issues getting it insured cheaply. 2010 to 2019 between 16k and 35k. It’s a no brainer for me.