The Truth About the NatureHike Canyon Tent - Real Review
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2024
- What was NatureHike thinking?
This tent is incredible and also AWFUL at the same time!
Made by NatureHike, the Canyon Tent is unlike any tent that I have seen before.....it is the fastest pop-up tent that I have ever seen but it makes very little sense.
This is Luke's Agenda Free Review of the Canyon Instant tent.
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Finally a Lightweight Instant Popup Tent - NatureHike Canyon Tent
This is a very interesting tent and in fact, you’re about to see just how interesting it is in this episode.
Person : 1 or 2 person
Doors : 1 on the 1P and 2 on the 2P
Included :
Storage Bag
7 tent stakes
Tent with body
7 guy lines which come preattached.
Materials :
1P : Silicon treated 20D Nylon Ripstop fly and 70D ripstop Nylon floor
2P : 210T Ripstop Polyester fly and 19t Polyester floor.
Both tents feature a fiberglass pole system
Waterproof Rating : 2000mm HSH
Dimensions :
1P : Measure on video
2P : Since I don’t have the 2P version I can’t state accurately what the measurements are.
Folded Dimensions :
1P : 18” x 6”
2P : 23.2” x 7.8”
Weight :
1P : 3.3lbs
2P : 7.2lbs
Colors : Brown for the 1P, Brown, Green and Red for the 2P
Price :
$155 for the 1P on Aliexpress
$160 for the 2P on Amazon
$190 for the 2P on NH’s Web site
I would love to see NH consolidate all of their products; they produce so much and their products seem to pop up all over the place and also disappear.
One day a tent will be on their website, the next day it is gone. Then it’s on Amazon and then it's gone but it pops up on Aliexpress.
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Impressions :
Setup
Quality
Materials
Fabric inner - this is what i consider a big problem with this tent - this material is going to hold in a lot of heat while blocking wind -
does the door have mesh?
Size
Weight : the weight of the 1p is manageable for the trail but the 2P is rather high. High enough that I would classify it as a car camping style of tent only.
Easy to get into and out of?
Any issues?
Rain testing is coming up soon.
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I have this tent. It is not intended for this kind of camping, as it is actually a cot covering. That was shown in the advertising when I bought it. It is not a bad design, it is for casual use. It is small and very rapid to put up, and just as import it is very rapid to take down. I carry it in a pannier bag biking and can easily whip it up to ride out a sudden rainstorm, then be on my way just as fast. It is great as a privacy shelter too. I don't think I'd be doing multi-day hikes with it, but it is great for these uses. It also fits handily in a day-pack. My Thermarest pad fits in it fine. At 6' I'm pretty comfortable. For larger, Decathalon makes a similar tent in their Quechua line.
do you have a 25 inch wide therm-a-rest?
Mine is is 22 inches wide.@@frogturtle
decathlon 2p easy setup tent is nice, but even heavier... 5kg or 10 pounds is crazy!
Their trekking lineup is dope though
I am thinking of getting this for bicycle touring as well. Winter only/mainly because I already have 3 season capable hammock/tarp system.
I'm just afraid it wont be usable in windy conditions as Luke said. Is that accurate?
I could add a lightweight 1,5x2m tarp that weighs 150g to block wind on the back of it. what say you?
It does catch wind for sure.@@pedroclaro7822
A great video to watch while here at the UVA hospitality house. I’ve been doing radiation treatments all week. Cheers everyone🤙.
Feel better soon ok😊
I lived vicariously thru Luke while I underwent chemo & radiation a few years back. Best wishes!
Aye, me too. I found Luke’s channel during my second go around with radiation a few years ago. I don’t buy any gear these days that Luke hasn’t reviewed. Cheers to you fellow warrior.👍
Yes indeed, Luke makes great informative videos. A lovely diversion to watch while undergoing treatment. Get well soon. 😊
Have you ever considered of designing and getting a company to manufacture a line of your own signature tents ? Love your work.
I'd be so down for that! I'd fund him a kickstarter. (and I'm absolutely frugal and never give money away)
Just getting back into tent camping after many, many years and so far I am appreciating all of your videos. Thanks so much for all of your work.
I love when you review really bad tents. For a second you become the Gordon Ramsay of tent roasting
But without the cursing and aggression. Luke's too classy for that.
Right?!😂😂😂
With less swearing.
Luke Ramsay of the tents😂
We are still awaiting Lukes pro -tent sealing skills on his wife's tent..
A friend bought one of these from Decathlon in Australia. Used it a few times, then the pull out mechanism failed in that it pulled the inner 'poles' out awkwardly and they broke similar to what happens to an umbrella. This happened to both ends at the same time whilst on a multi-day remote camping trip. The tent became useless. So whilst the mechanism is convenient to operate it is complex and evidently not robust enough.
You can buy this tent with or without the cot but it was designed to be sold with one which is the purpose of those guidelines like you said. Adding some extra guidelines and sealing the stitching with silicone was easy.
I’ve returned to this tent after trying some other stuff, and I got say - pros and cons weighted, it’s great! Where I live, even in the summer, night temps rarely go above 13c, meaning it’s right on the comfort rating of this tent. Condensation isn’t much of an issue as long as it doesn’t rain and you can keep the fly open. Plus the fabric allows you to use sleeping gear rated for a lower temperature than you would with a mesh inner. Decathlon uses fabric in most inners for good reason. Here in the mountains it’s always breezy at best, so windchill is a severely impactful factor, and one that makes fabric more important than mesh. Size is fairly small, and width is terrible, but length is okay for use smaller folk as well as the Asians which are Naturehike’s main target audience.
Though I wish they would add some guylines on the top of the tent for some wind resistance, I can easily make my own with a constrictor knot around the pullouts that the tent uses for the setup.
So after all that, the quick and easy setup makes this infinitely valuable for quick and easy overnighters here and there, dayhikes, bikepacking/touring trips. Could use bigger/better vent holes, at least 10cm more in width and some some pullouts on the upper part of the tent, but yeah - for me it’s a solid 8/10, and good value for money.
I usually enjoy watching your reviews, but this time, the approach to the tent review was wrong from the beginning. This tent is designed to be pitched on a cot, which is why it has long guy lines at bottom staking points. If you use this tent for its intended purpose, it becomes clear that NatureHike's description of them being "guy lines" is not far from the truth. The tent's size is also designed to fit on a typical cot, so it cannot be considered a drawback. Of course, it's a bit disappointing that there's only one entrance, but I believe adding a dual-door system to a 1-person tent would be an inefficient design choice, leading to increased weight. The reason for adopting some solid fabric in the inner tent is likely due to its intended purpose as a 3-season tent. When you set up a tent on a cot, it's natural that there would be more air inflow compared to a tent pitched on the ground, so I see it as an attempt to mitigate such air inflow. This does not make the tent a "shame" or a poorly designed product. As I mentioned before, this tent serves a specific purpose, and it's most efficient when used for its own use. I cannot agree with the content of this review video that labels the inconveniences arising from using the tent in a way that is not suited to its intended purpose as disadvantages.
Im not a professional backpacker but im ok with the cons. Im a small guy and want a small tent, i dont mind it being hot as i live in a relatively cool environment.
Id keep the door open and use a quilt
Did you end up buying it?
I'm thinking of doing so myself, as when cycling the weight isnt bad. And I can set up a little tarp to cook under, or to block wind.
In really stormy conditions i'd most likely get housing for the night.
@@pedroclaro7822 unfortunately not yet, I've had to allocate funds to other projects and hobbies. Let me know if you get it before I do and how your experience is
I bought a 4 man tent at walmart for 39 bucks a few weeks ago and it has done nothing but rain, but I've been dry as a bone. I'm amazed.
I'm amazed. I think i know what tent you might be talking about and if it's the one I was nothing but soaked. Is it the Ozark trail one ?
Ozark Trail makes a decent product for sure.
All I can say is if one need to carries 15+kg and goes on a 36~72hrs trip with teammates with a tight schedule of physically demanding routes and activities, a 1.5kg 30sec-up-&-30sec-down tent sounds like a really good idea, heat and stuffy is just something I have to endure, it's either this or a cot plus a poncho.
a cot and poncho is crazy imho...
you can get a hammock tarp system weighing less than 1.5kg
I retract my statement. A cot will get you off the ground under most conditions, and with just a trekking pole or two, a poncho tarp and some guylines you can make a very decent shelter for most conditions
@@pedroclaro7822 I'm guessing you've tried the set-up?😏I "camp" in tropical climate, the tarp is just there for rain insurance. but mozzie net and cot are Essential for against weird sh*ts crawling on to or into you.🤣
@@joshchu Yeah Getting away from the ground is essential in some places. I don't know If I would tarp camp in such places though... even with a mosquito net.
I have little use for a cot as a backpacker and bicycle tourer, but they have their place. Can be nice to have in the car, to safely, quickly and silently (compared to an air matress and pump) get away from the ground.
@@pedroclaro7822 funny story, I once slept through the night in the jungle on a NH camping chair(with head/foodrest add-on) and a tarp as a blanket, just because I was so tired that day, and that's the time I found out maybe I don't necessarily need a tent for overnight activities.😅
**do not try this if you have better options, highly chance you will get a stiff neck and stiff everything in the morning along with several itchiness caused by who knows what**
Glad that I waited for the review. This could be my perfect pop-up tent, but even a short girl like me would find that too tight to be liveable. Hopefully, they will change their design and make it a really good tent.
I think you missed the big point of this tent. It's meant to sit on top of a cot, and ground mode is a possible option. Floor dimensions are something around a helinox cot, and you'll see the tent corners have pockets to catch the cot frame. Helinox has their own cot-tent system, jake lah tent, thous wind scorpio, etc
When my kids were younger I got them a pop up tent kind of for fun and to get them on the path of being self sufficient. It was even quicker, it opened like an umbrella from the middle. However, it had similar issues, no vents, no air flow, way hot and crazy condensation problems. It became a Fall only, no rain tent...
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at least this one's waterproof. but you always get wet with tents anyway (Getting it setup, getting in&out, cooking) so it'd be nice with a little 1x2M tarp. The tarp could give you enough room to cook under, change clothes, etc.
It maybe good for kayak camping where weight is less of an issue. Once it's paired with the cot under, it gives more room inside and you can use it where ground is wet (close to water). looks more like a swag setup than a tent to me.
thanks so much for your thorough and honest reviews. unfortunately all these negative reviews makes me feel like there are no good options out there. Can you recommend one or two good tents? maybe one for backpacking and another for overland/vehicle camping? thanks Luke
Thanks Luke. I have always wondered about the spot where the draw string goes through the side and what kind of system there is in place to keep that from leaking. It just looked like a weak point for water ti come in. But I guess it works.
They have a waterproof cover apparently
Maybe when they said "3 season," they meant fall, winter, and spring.
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This tent could be really good with some improvements. I love the set up.
Longer and wider would be a major improvement.
I was fortunate and was able to score a 1 person litefighter ( brand new ) for 125.00 on ebay last week. Bought the 4th season pkg for 168.00 which I thought was costly. Thanks for the recommendation
great weather there! I saw a black bear on the trial today. Turned back 😂 🐻🌧️🐟
I always felt that NatureHike catered to certain regions not in North America. Maybe when they get a secure toehold in Canada and the US, they may make tents specific to the continent. Some countries don't have the vast expanses for everyone to spread out or the weather isn't as extreme. I'd need some context for their design choices.
true that, the brand is very popular in South East Asia as for its affordable prices in this region, ie, if anyone here using anything from MSR, Big Agnes, they are considered very rich people as these brands have to be ordered directly from the US, whereas these China brands NH, Mobi Garden, Vidalido which are very popular here, are easily available in local market while some also ordered directly from China sellers. so yeah, it all depends on prices and availability, not sure about tougher conditions though, here we camp in jungles with heavy rain which some of you might call it thunderstorm. but we don't have snow and cold conditions. but i see Lonewolf using NH for most of his vids (after he got duped by Onetigris)
I really like how fast it is to set up....I'm on your side about the problems.
I guess it's a climate thing as well, but i actually bought a special edition mongar 2 after i found i was always cold in my normal one because of the constant breeze because there was too much mesh. I mean it's nice in those two weeks of actually warm Dutch summer, but the rest of the year, give me some more fabric 😉
Now do an Honest review on what is blatently obvious COT TENT, guid lines at the bottom is a bloody big give away, and being a COT TENT the air flow would be much improved, so please do another review using the tent as intended, a COT TENT.
That came up in the comments on the first video as well, and at least when I bought it the marketing was clear about that. I'm happy with it. It is the only tent I know of that I can pitch and take down several times per day without really needing to think about it. Great for sudden rain showers.
that frabric in the inner would make it one of the few, or maybe the only tent, good for windy areas. In my area 30+ mph winds are a daily thing, and in most 3 seasons tents you will be cold at night. Maybe the tent is just not good for your area 3 seasons, but for areas like mine with mild non-snow winters but windy all year, it may be a good 4 seasons tent. Probably a bit hot for middle summer, but i do prefer to sleep with the door open at summer and not get cold in the other 3 seasons
That’s why I get a 2 person tent. It ensures I have enough room. And my body runs hot… so I need all the mesh I can take
Is it not designed as an off the ground tent to go over a camp bed ? The website has a pic of it like that.
Luke!! Thanks!! Nature adores all that you advise!!
Thank you for all your hard work reviewing different tents. I have been shopping for a new tent for a while and still dont know what to choose. Your reviews help a great deal.
Luke has some good reviews, but you can't take his word as gospel because he gets a lot of stuff wrong and this video is a good example of that. This particular tent is a cot tent, not meant to be used on the ground, but that's how he's using it and poopooing it because it doesn't perform well when used improperly. He did a similar thing with the One Tigris Cometa, guying it out poorly and then faulting it because he couldn't pull the sag out after it got wet.
yeah unfortunately that's true. He fails to see the point/objective of some products and uses them 'incorrectly' so they end up working poorly. @@Im_With_Stupid
This is a good example, but there's plenty other examples like the Trangia kettle (meant for alcohol stoves but used with wood stoves)
This one person tent looks pretty good for alpine and winter camping. I’m the summer, I like to set up a tarp and sleep in a Bivy sack. This looks like it might provide better ventilation than a Bivy sack when you leave the fly home. Can one tie guy lines to the frame when the fly is left home?
Not tent related but a few weeks ago you had the Fabalish Queso - I ordered it and holy cow is it good!!
Luke, at this point just tell us to tarp camp, because all the tents you reviewed this month are not worth buying...lol. (or be like Luke and bring multiple tarps and multi-purpose those ground sheets. Lol) 😎👍
Hi Luke, very easy to set-up, but if it's not Good why waste your money, great review thanks for sharing stay safe
Any possibility of reviewing Metcantile Mountain's Crua Hybrid tent?
I have a suggestion, why don't you design and release your own brand of tent and gear ? wolf top mountain brand 🤔 that would be awesome
I believe this tent is designed to fit onto Naturehike’s camp bed (cot). That’s why the guy lines are on the bottom and why it is the width and length it is, to the bed.
Hey Luke! Well the pros and cons of being buff, gonna need a bigger tent. 😂😂
too small for me 6' I need room and not bunched up. Thanks for sharing, Luke.
So whats a good tent? would do you recommend?
Dude I've watching you for well over a year and I think you've reviewed like two tents you don't think suck lol
@@MM-gw3vx and on top of that I can't stand them little girly stoves,me and my girl weathered a storm in Mexico Beach last in our coleman dark technology tent that you wouldn't believe,this thing held up to 60 mile an hour wind with a blinding rain and hell,it only leaked a touch but yet he failed it in his review,I believe the reason I watch is because I get sleepy lol
Love your reviews but Don't forget it is sold around the world and some countries dont have lovely warm summers so would suit alot of people who have cooler summers.
Such a well made video but he had not a single idea that it was meant to be used on a cot. Hopefully you can make an updated video with this tent used on a cot as it was intended.
Might be good for the uk market where the nights are normally colder!
The Canyon tent is meant to be mounted on top of a cot. Also the version I purchased does not have that fabric, it's all mesh. I actually wish it had the fabric, I usually camp in the mountains, and even in the summer it regularly drops into the 30s at night. Regardless, you're really nitpicky on this, and it makes plenty of sense because it's meant to be installed on top of a camping cot. That's why it's narrow. That's why the lines are on end of the fly. That's why it's short. It's made to fit on a cot. You reviewed their cot tent, not even realizing it was a cot tent, and the cons you list are pros when a cot is involved. First off, there's a TON more airflow with a cot tent, so you may actually appreciate those fabric panels. The condensation problem is also almost entirely negated by that extra airflow. Use the tent as it was designed and then review it again please. Naturehike even sells that cot that pairs with this...
Dang, sad to hear the fabric is no longer part of the design as I also wanted to use it in winter as a Bothy for lunch breaks when backcountry skiing.
My fave bigger tent is the Outwell Carolina M, I also like the Outwell Birdland. They are/were in the delux series. I dont think you review family tents as the are tough for one man set ups.
Thanks for your honest feedback 👍
Its designed to use with cot or velbed, the airflow is good because it raise, if used on the ground the design would be off
Could you test out some truck bed tents? I'm in the market and would love your opinion
how about Cabelas wild wind 6 person dome tent?
I'd bet a few dollars on the 2 person version being almost identical to the Decathlon version. You don't want to carry that around. But even with the cons of this tent -- if they were to make a second generation of this tent which would address the issues you mentioned here, it could be a game changer. This style of frame with a LiteFighter 1 style inner and outer tent? That would sell like absolute hot cakes, even it that would mean it costs 400 bucks.
Pick on bass pro/ cabelas brands. Where do you even get naturehike?
I think maybe that design is intended in combination with a cot bed 🤔 long guy lines on back and front must have purpose why the lengths are long.
Correct. It is advertised as such. I have it, it is quite good for casual use, not multi-day ground camping.
Is great to see how do you test the tents and is awesome to have a different and honest review that helps to see if a tent is really buying, have you ever tried the Kelty Far Out tent?, it's supposed to be good tent, but haven't able to found a complete and on field review about it, hope you can help regarding that tent
So good for a shorter slender teen or slender woman who is 5'7" or under. Possibly better used in the Sierra's or Rockies where nights are chilly. Seems like an expensive tent for what it is.
Couldn't you tie guy lines to the spots where you deploy the tent?
The naturehike company reminds me of Microsoft in the 90's and noughties when they would change the operating system often. That would require frequent updates to firmware and software. It was all about profit and selling as many computers as possible and letting the public be the guinea pigs testing out the products and finding issues, effectively doing the work for Microsoft. Often the security on new computers was poor with many vulnerabilities in which the public would report back to Microsoft.
Naturehike appears to be running the same business model. Thanks for your reviews atb Taff 🤠👊
@@Feribrat99 It's true though 🤔
A 23 inch width would be a deal breaker for me. I also don't mind some fabric at the head and foot area to stop splash. It's not needed where you have vestibules. But this tent doesn't look like you can pull out the head and foot area anyway.
Your videos make me too scared to buy any tent! Hahaha
its a sad thing that there are bad products out there, but its more entertaining to watch when things go wrong
The information on the nature hike site is confusing but isn’t this tent meant to be mounted on top of a cot? Would this change it’s use case?
You'd still need to do something about the condensation and the heat inside it in the summer.
@@kme maybe this would be in part mitigated by airflow going under the tent when mounted on a cot? I don’t know, haven’t tested this myself but i am baffled by the design of this shelter and trying to see what it is the designers went for.
@@nickvdhoogen I'm not qualified to answer that as I wouldn't use that type of tent myself. As a plus sized person who has issues with being off the ground on something like that - it's too flimsy for my liking, even if they might actually be quite sturdy. My irrational fear of heights is really that bad that it's a consideration for me. Plus I need a mesh panel, even if just one, to keep the creepy crawlies out. (also a phobia, unfortunately experience based for me.)
I'm so glad, that I found your video. What did you think about the "Teton Sports 1-Person Quick Tent" ?
It is similiar, but seams to be a better version of this.
Because I am a Sloth, I don't want to work much for my Tent :/
so bummed about this tent. the super fast setup/takedown and what appears to be free-standing aspects made it an appealing shelter for my emergency kit. but with the other problems it sounds like pure suffering.
damn. disappointing! hopefully they listen to your feedback. thanks for the review
This tent is predominately a cot tent , hence position of guy lines. Also being 18" off tge ground you will get much more airflow through the tent combating the low level fabric inner issue.
Try it on a cot and then let us know how it performs as a 3 season shelter.😊
but as it is it seems like a good winter tent tbh
I line this tent ; I’d be worried about anything mechanical . How do you replace those poles and strings ? All rest of the comments I agree .
was eyeing for this to combo with my cot, but for it's size for a tall guy like me, this would create discomfort, thanks for reviewing this without bias, always look for its cons before us buying. not many yt doing this tho
I live in sw UK, what tent would you advise?
Hi will you make a review of fjallraven keb eco-shell jakcet?
what do you do with products after you finish reviewing them? Particularly with really bad products like this tent?
He returns them...and when that isn't possible, he will sell them on his site with disclaimers of any serious problems. I have bought two items he reviewed, both were very fair in price, were in great condition and had no issues. I do suggest watching his review on the item before buying though.
I am now sure that I gained better understanding of this tent from this video over the excellent first one. I had hoped to see a rain test.
You should review Decathlon MH-100 it's very common in europe
Star River Naturehike review pls....Thanks and Godbless❤️
This tent has so much potential. Hope the company makes an upgraded version of this.
Thank you for the video Luke.
Decathlon produces a similar tent in 2P and 3P sizes, they're really heavy but way better ventilated and made out of fresh & black material (blocks the sun heat and blacks out the inside)
It is a great looking tent. I agree with your review and especially with the cons you mentioned.
Question. If you could build a tent, how much could you sell it for?
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Great video. Thanks for the review.
How long have you been using That ground sheet?
I mean...at 5/9 and being a side sleeper, I could make this work. What made me say no is the condensation, I'm willing to put up with a lot, but any tent I use MUST be good at handling condensation. Also is it just me or does this thing look a lot like the military ICS? It's funny, the ICS weighs the same 7 pounds as the 2 person of this tent but looks like the 1 person.
The shape of the tent is pretty similar to the ICS or the TCOP/LiteFighter 1. The hexagon shaped rain fly with a door on the long side is a very common design,the latter two tents have a door on either side though.
@@Stoney3K You know it's been a while....but I remember something cool about the ICS. If you put the fly on backwards, you can use the vestibule door to enter/exit the tent. While it may not be as easy, what that does is not only give you a bigger door for your vestibule, but during rain you can expose that huge mesh door for airflow and not worry about water since it's a vestibule. With like an inch gap from vestibule to ground, that's going to let fresh air in and help with condensation too.
Is it fire proof?
Some quality company should use this innovative setup system and make a one person tent for soldiers and hikers with all the recommended improvements .. that would be absolutely awesome ! I would easily pay $300 to $400 for it. Are you listening, NatureHike ?
You can remove
the inner and use this tent as shelter. Maybe you can combine it with other inner like Catoma Burrow?
Can you also check the decathlon 2 second tent?
I wish you would collaborate with a tent maker and create your own line of tents.
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't gotten a consulting gig for this, considering companies have altered their product designs after getting hammered by him on his reviews and even reached out to him directly for his feedback. At 560K subscribers, he's probably one of the most visible influencers on UA-cam for these things.
Go with a Hilleberg tent & never look back.
You should get a sponsorship with a company to combine and make the perfect camping supplies..❤
Awesome as always!!!
I want to purchase a new good sturdy 3 season tent for my son . He’s 6’6 so needs leg room. He hikes a lot and camps often in mountains , desert , etc . Something light to pack . Anyone have suggestions?
Luke you should design a tent
That sucks my bag is like 33 across if that's 23 wide I'm a littel short lol 6.1 I won't fit lol
Maybe they meant it for mountain camping... what do I know?
I will agree. It's a nice tent looks great for stealth camping and probably something I'd buy but needs improvement.
Thanks for your reviews Luke.
Great videos as always.
Maybe they going back to when tents only had mesh windows
Have you heard of these tents ?Hewolf Waterproof Instant Camping Tent - 2/3/4 Person Easy Quick Setup Dome Family Tents for Camping,Double Layer Flysheet Can be Used as Pop up Sun Shade
NatureHike has been improving somewhat but it is still a hit or miss proposition.
I have a canyon 2 person tent. Folding it up is quite a struggle and you can't do it neatly.
When did we start doing three videos to review one tent? A tent review should take 30 -45 minutes max in my opinion as a viewer. The problem with three videos is that I won't watch video #2 and #3 if the tent has no initial interest for me. Hey, that's just me. Your mileage will vary.
Luke, Your Oh, Yeah. sounded disappointed lol. This tent had so much potential and flopped.