The Research Powering Humanity’s First Space Civilization with Ariel Ekblaw
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- When will we create a livable habitat in space? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comedian Matt Kirshen explore the possibilities of tessellated space structures, artificial gravity, and other challenges of space living with Founder of MIT Space Exploration Initiative and Aurelia Institute CEO, Ariel Ekblaw.
We discuss Gerard O’Neill’s visions of space and the L5 Society. Learn about the Aurelia Institute’s work in creating modular smart space structures and the challenges of creating a space habitat. How do we make sure that space travelers aren’t microwaved like a hot pocket? Have there been any advancements in artificial gravity?
Will it be possible for someone who’s 33 years old today to visit space in their lifetime? What’s the most important breakthrough we need to bring down the cost of space travel? How are we going to stop people from getting sick on the way to space? Discover how the human body changes in space and what “space face” is. We also explore an approach to artificial gravity seen in Andy Weir’s Project Hail Mary.
How would you create food in a space colony? How would you safeguard a habitat from space debris? What's the role of AI in space travel? Finally, once we get there, what jobs would people have in space?
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00:00 - Society in Space
04:50 - Tessellated Space Structures
11:37 - How do we make sure that explorers are not microwaved like a hot pocket?
15:50 - Are there developments in artificial gravity?
17:35 - Will space become affordable in our lifetime?
20:00 - How do we bring down the cost of space travel?
24:40 - How are you going to stop people throwing up?
31:38 - AI for Space Travel
35:36 - Terraforming Planets
40:25 - Protecting our habitat from Space Debris
43:30 - ChatGPT in Space
47:20 - Jobs in a Space Colony - Наука та технологія
Wanna learn more? Check out the impressive work being done at the Aurelia Institute: www.aureliainstitute.org
Aurelia Institute needs a zero gravity rave. I volunteer as tribute... here's one of my original songs: ua-cam.com/video/jagASBpbia4/v-deo.html
This is probably my favorite episode of Startalk. Ariel is amazing. I love her humor and optimism for the future.
I love her looks, and her myriad accomplishments at such a youthful age, and her obviously stellar IQ, plus everything you said.
She's a perfect woman; if such a thing exists, she is counted among them.
She doesn’t wasn’t to F either of you
She is the kind of influencer I want my kids to see as a role model.
@Michael Skinner Perhaps I am trying to redefine what an influencer should be. Someone that inspires positive change for all mankind.
Thank you Ariel Ekblaw, your expertise is most impressive.
Damn, this episode felt over in 10 minutes, this was a really exciting exploration and I hope these ideas are closer to reality than we think
I like how Neil simplify questions and how he intrigues everyone. Universe aint that intresting without Neils explanations. Mindblowing moments with StarTalk and i like it
You know it’s a good one because after 50 mins of a 50 mins duration video still no comments, everyone must be watching it every last minute of it!
Matt is great! The comedy he provides is a perfect complement to all the science that can be mildly intimidating (but thoroughly appreciated) at times!
Surprise, surprise but yet another great episode!
Heard this episode a couple of days ago and the bit at around 16:50 where Ariel talks about a company trying out something with tethers reminded me of the book Seveneves by Neal Stephenson, in it due to An Event humanity must take to space and they create many small space habitats which can be tethered to each other and spun so they can create artificial gravity. In the book there's also a character, astronomer and TV personality that seems to have been greatly inspired by Neil deGrasse Tyson, really cool book
I first saw Ariel on a Lex Fridman podcast, glad to see her here!
I think I’m in love! Crush aside, very much enjoyed the ideas Ariel brings forth in this interview. Her intellect is clearly proving her to be a valuable contributor to the scientific community. Thanks, Neil for yet another fantastic guest!
She's so beautiful
Wow , what a great conversation about our future space civilizations and how methods for building these space habitats ! Refreshing to hear this most insightful , brilliant , attractive and delightful lady scientist !
A rotating space station would be like a gyroscope. In which direction would it orient itself? Along the direction of orbit? Toward the earth? This would tell us how to orient radio antennae, PV arrays and radiators. Needs experimentation in space!
Wow, I feel blessed to have experienced Rendevous with Rama before learning of Gerry O'Neil -that's not a slight towards him.
Seeing the art of his ideas beforehand would've completely changed the book.
I think this is my favorite episode of Star Talk. I learned so much and experienced a vision of habitation that I didn’t know existed. Thank you 😃
Brilliant chat, thank you. I had a smile throughout.
Thank you Neil for being a translater to the people who do not have phds you explain things so well you are a brilliant teacher to the layman!
I know this an old video but Ariel MUST come back. I want to learn about everything they’re working on and learning about for such. The most interesting real life science application taken from science fiction.
Ariel, thanks for this wonderful interview
The small fast rotator could be a demonstrator but also the core of the big slow rotator later.
Hey Neil, I was wondering about time in space in one of the rotating habitats. How would time be referenced for day and night cycles? Being that space time would be different from Earth's rotation time. What time do we go to work in space? Earth's time, Mars time or space time??
This was so entertaining. I have to think any kid watching Ariel would be inspired to double down on math and science. These applications are so inspiring.
Niel's 11th hour bomb on the ambiguity of language was a thinker. We should dive into that sometime!
I miss the in-person meetings, but I know this must be cheaper. Good stuff
You talked about "space face" reminded me of Total Recall movie when people exposed to space their eyes bulging and other extreme deterioration.
Ariel seems like a great person to be working on these hugeky-important things. Great stuff.
Excellent episode! Loved every minute.
Excellent episode. Awesome graphics and knowledgeable guest!
Thank you for the great answer Director Ekblaw! I had no idea of plans for a solar wind shade. Such a clever and efficient solution!
I think we could do without the space lawyers.....
Another great episode. Thank you :)
This was fun to listen to. Funny and amazing trio combo
Great episode. Love to see what the future might be.
Every time I watch Startalk, it doesn't come short at all to amaze! 🥳
Guest of the Year !!
Awesome stuff here and I've heard about that self-healing skin too.
I also can't help but consider how critically useful this kind of sphere/assembly could be for remote rescue crews, disaster areas, extreme environments and perhaps even underwater. They sound portable, assembly would be simple then they form a sealed, insulated shelter, often the difference between life and death in such circumstances
Seems to me that a way to cope with radiation during the journey to Mars is to use this sort of tesselation technology to build an Aldrin Cycler that orbits perpetually between Earth and Mars. That way, every orbit, you can add more station pieces, and add more radiation protection. After a few orbits, you can have a really big habitat with lots of water in the walls blocking radiation.
Neil and Chuck for 2024
Loved the podcast.
@ariel you yourself ARE a musical instrument!
Boca Chica would appreciate Green Propellants (methane).. Such opportunity for Space Techies. Super show, super guest covering many possiblities🚀
Impressive woman!! Idk know her age, but she looks very young; and yet, shes so sharp and knowledgeable.
She's also very pretty, and seems genuinely nice. Good for her!! And good for us, to have such brilliant minds working towards future solutions, etc.
Very interesting. Thank you
L5 in '95!! Need to re-imagine O'Neill's vision!! THE HIGH FRONTIER!
Excellent, thanks!!!! We'll need entertainers/comedians in space? I nominate Chuck for the first to go on the next starship heavy launch.
Hey, those lecturers are just living in an utopian world, never realistic until and unless it's formulated in reality.
As much as I love this I just miss having Chuck on here, sorry Matt you're all right but it's just not the same
Incredible guest!
Great show!
So a couple questions I was hoping would be tackled but weren't;
1. What plans are there for being able to construct and launch rockets from these habitats for further space travel/exploration?
2. Space sports. Is blitzball possible in space instead of water for instance. What other forms of space sports could there be?
Can we give some love to Matt? He is definitely underappreciated in the StarTalk community.
Dude she got you back, evolution ♥️
Good stuff learned a few things.
I’m sure they’ve considered this, but how strong do the magnets need to be to counteract the air pressure pushing out on the cells, as well as any torque caused by rotation / centripetal forces?
It seems they’d need bolts, too.
Ariel Ekblaw ROCKS! 🤘😎👍
So when is SpaceX going to hire Dr. Ekblaw? Great episode!! ❤❤❤
Dig it! Dig it! Dig it!!!! So wickedly AWESOME!
Great show
One of my favorites I love how Neil challenges or stays neutral it makes it so aunthetic and just real if we had more minds like those two the world would be a better place!
Who is this Angel. I’m impressed with every word she say and the sweetness. She got even more whe she said… “that’s why I worked for a non profit organization and explore my creativity freely “ not exactly like that ….
Starting my space trip fund right now 😊
I miss Chuck. I just want Chuck.
I really like her ! Hope she comes back again 😊
I loved this. I cannot afford a membership on Patreon. Work and income in Tokyo have been difficult. Maybe soon, Neil. Sam Harris is cool. He gave me a scholarship! Anywho--I have re-posted this (as I usually do) with all the notes and time stamps and tagged Space Hipsters. Thanks for this.
This is awesome. A question about the artificial gravity. Yall kept talking about using rotation to create "gravity". Is the idea that the centrifical force acts as a similar force to gravity? Like a giant hamster wheel
Yes.
There is a Cambridge in Canada as well.
I agree with Neil. Love Space but would never really wanna go out there until the issues relating to the effects of being in space for extended periods of time on our human body gets resolved.
25:10 that "its in the aiiiiiiirrr and it gets in your haaaiiiiiirrrr lmao xD
15:00 Whenever somebody mentions Vegemite, it always reminds me of the Vitameatavegamin episode of I love Lucy!
Gravity: Imagine for simplicity a cylinder. It could be in a variable orbit that always falls to the celestial body it is orbiting and when the angle needs correction it slightly and gradually rotates in such a way that there is always a "floor" on its length.
My hackers or the Reconnaissance General Bureau, told me that you have already listened to the song. I said that because since you're the most talented and gifted artist of America, you may already have an truly conclusive answer for the problem.
If one were to jump toward the center of a structure, would he be free of the gravity immediately, or would the gravity affected atmosphere push him down?
interesting question, i think in a rotating structure one would have the inertia efect return one to the outer edge, not sure about the speed it would occur at.
Best episode StarTalk has produced.
Something that might be a good idea, is an electro-magnetized capture net. Since lot of space debris is metal, using magnetized capture nets would help to stick to the objects, or draw the objects through magnatizem.
42:00 just a thought, if you had terry towel soaked in water couldn't you A) store water B) reduce impacts? and wouldn't water freeze, so you could use your source of water as a shield too?
Space Goat! Gotta do an Ocean Goat, too!
Now **that** is intelligent design!
When people say, "look at the people in the comments acting like they are all pros and experts". No I never claim that, I listen to people like neil and Ariel and I just pass on the information, more like a messenger.
Dyson-sphere potential?😮
This is so interesting.
In relation to the effects of low gravity on the human body. What about the opposite? Say we found a high gravity world. What is the max gravity the human body could handle? What would the effects be on the human body in a high gravity environment? And what could we do to counter those effects/ make the environment more habitable?
A great idea although it does leave me with questions.
How do you fuel each section so that it is able to move around and Dock with others?
When all parts are connected, Is it air tight?
How do you get any internal machinery inside?
Is it a case of building some kind of module that you simply place inside and connect up?
Will the inside remain the same shape or might you place other shapes within to say, create a corridor?
How do you stop it falling towards a planet should it be based around one?
How strong are the magnets that are used to keep each section in place and how are they powered?
There are of course, many more questions that I have.
It's an interesting idea and even leaves room for other shapes to be created, perhaps creating larger spaces.
Would it not simply be better to use square or rectangular sections rather than hexagonal?
A great video.
How have you NOT posted about the Starship test launch yet!????
Neil, 45:18 something like that is actually still "in process" in the paleatinian/israeli strugle. We call it resolution 242 where the word
"Territories" was used rather than "the territories", so the first specifies that the number of lands is not defined and the second would mean ALL the lands refered to by the resolution. And the differenxe between the two words have actually caused and is still causing big problems.
So yes, wars can start and did start because of linguistic ambiguity.
YES MAKE THE SPACE GOAT A GAME I WOULD TOTALLY PLAY THAT
Neil's eyebrows. Is he turning into a Vulcan 😂. Great stuff. Love star talk
Doing a episode in 0G would be cool.
"The craziest part is because there's no gravity, the throw-up kind of floats there. In a little ball, and if your mouth is open because you're screaming, sometimes it just floats right back in." - Howard Wolowitz
"Cambridge - Our Fair City - MA" - Tommy and Ray Magliozzi. I miss Car Talk.
I get sick motion just standing in the water watching the waves go by, I'll wave from afar when you go away on vacation.
Bye 👋
Can these domes can hold that pressure by magnets coupling and is that
I have a question sir Please answer me .How much time it Will take to Compressed our universe to a singularity, where it was before Like a Big crunch ?
If you're hooking the panels up magnetically, can you use those magnets as part of your radiation protection systems?
Neil you're TOP G guy !
Dr. Ariel is so beautiful and more importantly has a beautiful mind!
I love the satellite debris game idea. very 'Planetes'-2003 but rather than send crews just use cheap remote CubeSats to grab, stick, or kinetic slow debris. Maybe NASA will fund a non profit to clear specific "lanes" or "elevations"?
This reminds me of #Elysium, the orbiting space station.
Infinite energy in space. My idea is straightforward. To create energy, we must have a force that pulls or pushes. I thought about every movie that pulls the air out of a pressurized spaceship when a hole is breached. The birth of my theory was when I took a light up top and put a propeller on it. Then I took a vacuum, and the suction from the vacuum pulled on the propeller. The top began to rotate and light up. If space has no gravity, then the propeller would be able to keep generating power for as long as the generator can keep up if a spaceship could push out the waste through a Propeller that is connected to a generator that produces power like a wind turbine. I would have three chambers - #one generating power - #two ready to switch, and the third for repair and maintenance since we use light bulbs to grow plants artificially. This would be a way to create fuel and food. Pushing out the ship's waste into space. I picture it like a lawn mower when you pull on the cord to start the engine. My name is Randall Gonzales
Also traveling through space and relying on solar light is not how they did it in Star Trek or Star Wars - Also I looked up some warp drive ideas and they lack significant energy to propel them through space. Well, here you go - infinite energy -
So cool
Sounds super easy. To de-couple. Can you spell EMP? I'm sure there are physical locks that come into play once fitting is completed but still. Vaccum is notoriously thin.
Can your modules be made out of structural steel? It would be a lot bigger, but they would enable larger structures, and allow them to be a bit hollow so you could thread mesh through like trabeculae in bone
I think your approach to building a cylinder is much better. I had thought of building one like weaving a pine needle basket and laminate/fit each layer like like a pipe fitting (to get the wall thickness and allow it to torq)but I’m wondering in the future after all that is said and done, would it be possible to build one Like a basket/sock knitter using a circular station? Like people trying to build a Viking ship the old fashioned way?
Like making a bracelet/rollercoaster with modules, and then that would be the weaver/sock knitter.
Besides each huge “rope” serving as the thread and laminated like a Huge carbon fiber sheet, graphene carbon fiber mesh can be put into the spaces and a flexible graphene concrete graphene resin (and graphene concrete on the outside)
Seriously, how did Ariel get her legs and voice?
Only an underwater princess could be this cool 😎
Your cover has been blown 😁
Spacestations are so awesome.
I just had an idea for your Legos:
Is it possible to design it so that if there a cylinder is struck, that everything (The frame around each disk) would be thick hollow tubes so that whether it’s concrete or industrial rope or cables, if it’s struck, you could essentially pour graphene resin and the entire structure could essentially have a healing system like the human body?
Besides warming it’s support structure, it would essentially form it’s blood vessels, allowing it to clot