Mormon Manipulation Tactics
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Mormon Manipulation Tactics. Very similar to Jehovahs Witness manipulation tactics. That's because they are both cults and they're both taught the same way.
Best way to get ahold of me:
Twitter: @telltaleatheist
"Wanna come to my church Steve?"
"Nah, sorry man, that just ain't my thing."
"Look Steve, this isn't even about church anymore. I'm stuck in a time loop until you come. Help me dude, I miss my family!"
DoopyThe Spoopy Basically.
Me
EXACTLY, DAMM IT.
Steve should grow some fucking balls & just smack that asshole!!
+DoopyThe Spoopy lol. Now I want to see Steve look up right then and slowly smile.
"So, Guillermo. How's that dude doing?"
"Uh, I haven't seen him in a while. Ever since we got drunk and slept together in loop 347 I haven't had the courage to talk to him."
Guillermo breaks the loop by getting kicked out of the church.
Nah. They never get to the kicking out because he keeps looping. So, having learned that the day has no cosmic consequences (everything done is undone at reset), he decides to explore everything taboo and forbidden, until he finally breaks the loop the only convincing way he can: That dude comes to church at gun point and with a broken nose and the cycle breaks. The next morning, Guillermo wakes up jonesing for some smack and needing treatment for 15 diseases, some of which have yet to be documented. Also that stuff he stole from his folks and sold to pay for it all IS STILL MISSING and he is about to be kick out of the house. He never goes back to church and so they never get around to kicking him out. You saw him last week. He tried to clean your windshields for a few bucks....
Donovan Walker this took a wild turn
@@sad_doggo2504 I'd watch that movie.
@@deeperthings fuck how did you find out my backstory
I love this
So, I'm a mormon and this is spot on. Everyone is so inviting and wants to be your friend but once you start going to church regularly, their friendship starts fading away and they are no longer interested. I've seen it over and over.
Damn, should have realized that with my ex Mormon boyfriend. I didn't cate about his religion but I did notice that he started talking to me less and less
ang3303 well, I still have many friends from the lds church I go to, I still talk to them
Love bombing...
The people are not perfect. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and you cannot judge a religion solely on the actions of the people. Church is to help us all become better. I have a great love for the Church and its teachings. Many times members have done something that I could have taken offensively but then on the other hand I have had tremendous love, acceptance and friendship from many members. I know the Church is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and that President Nelson is a prophet for our time today. We have to some times over look the frailty of the members to live and enjoy the gospel.
@Frank DeFalco My best friends are Mormons. Shameful comment.
I used to have Mormon “missionary” neighbors in my apartment complex. I had a lot of dealings with Mormon “missionaries” and they become very cold to you if won’t except their beliefs. Eventually the church forbid the “missionaries” in my complex from to talking to me because one of the girls showed doubt in their beliefs and the their church blamed me for it.
I've gotten a lot of people out this way. I've been talking to missionaries for thr past year and showed a lot of them there's a way out. I've also talked to other fellow "investigators" (people missionaries talk to) and converts that got baptized LDS and showed them mormonism is a cult. As a result, only one guy from my area in the past year has baptized and he's now an apostate because I showed him some evidence the church isn't true when he had some doubts. It's scary business because a lot of people could get upset with me and even threaten me for "persecuting" their religion.
@@Officialalmate what time do it Crush their arguments expose them and get them out convert them mission to the missionaries in mission to them and get them out of their false religious cult their luciferian b******* there's not just some strong evidence there's a vast mountains and seas of undeniable evidence in truth against them that they can't deny even if they tried
@Logan Botill they're self-destructing right now haha
@@Officialalmate Vee are vanting to send yoo zum ... Flowers. Vat ist der address und vhen canst vee finding yoo home?
@@deeperthings no
I remember watching this video when I was on the inside and being pressured to encourage "less active members" to come back to church. I'm so glad I left.
Same, still in the church but I'm always told to talk to people I never had before to invite them to church :/
@@buttermilk3335 It's SO weird
@@croutendo2050 sounds like t h e big c
@@Grey-x2c ?
And then they got married and left the church
The end
Yes, This is how it should go.
Spicy Biscuit much better love story than Twilight
I’ll double offend the church and officiate the wedding!
Definite ship! What a plot twist, if you watch without sound it does look like the start of a gay film
It would at least be better than this $hit.
I had a Mormon friend once, but one day he stopped talking to me because his mom thought I was a "bad influence." I didn't see him again until we met briefly in a Walmart parking lot, but he didn't want anything to do with me at that point. Finally, I went to his church out of curiosity (just to find out what Mormons believe) and THEN he texted me out of the clear blue sky asking when I was coming back. I told him I wasn't, but eventually I tried to give him a Christmas present and his mom told me he never wanted to talk to me again. It's really sad, because he was a good friend, but the context clues implied that he only wanted to hang out with me when he thought I might become a Mormon. This was a change over time too, because he knew I wasn't a Mormon when we were kids and we were still close. I respect all religions and didn't want to admit it to myself, but at that point I had to confess that Mormonism was a cult.
it's kinda fucked that they literally tell you to fake a friendship like a psychopath just to get someone to go to church
so much sexual tension, the ship sails itself
I officially left the church 2 months ago. Haven't spoken to my family since.
all iknow Congratulations. Wishing you a great future.
it’s so funny, i literally recognize the folding wall behind you in your profile picture. i swear it’s in literally every single chapel that i’ve been forced into going into
I'm sorry that that happened dude
Im sorry about your family. Mine stopped talking to me a few months ago for the same reason
@@lordpimpington6405 I didn't tell my family I am an Atheist yet, I don't know how they will react
“His only interest in this guy is getting him to join this cult”
I’m going to have to disagree with ya there. This is obviously a gay romance movie that you have taken out of context. I can’t imagine any other reason for there to be this much sexual tension in it.
Funny you should say that. I was thinking the same. I recently left the church here in Iowa. I sent salt lake an email telling them to bugger off
@@iowaguy6590 You should have told them to FUCK OFF instead but great work man!👍
I am a proud member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and love the Church.
@Maxwell I'd rather work at being a child of God, than surround myself with a bunch of lost worldly assholes who think dating games/sleeping around/clubbing/drinking/drugging/one night stands are just a natural part of life. U all think you have it figured out and ur so much better than us. Missionaries are in fact full of shit, but I'd rather get closer to God than be lost.
@@ninavictoria6805 I'd rather be with my boyfriend who I love then being with God a pretentious asshole.
I remember when I was on highschool a Mormon classmate invited my friends group to his church once, we went heard their brainwashing brain stuff, we said no and left. He never talked to us again. Everything makes sense now
*light bulb* " I can use his parents divorce to my favor he is weakened"
Yup using someone's problems to their advantage
That's it! Use any perceived tragedy or weakness to gain leverage. We lost a daughter at birth, in 1993, and my Mormon SIL shows up two weeks after the funeral to try and get my wife to convert to Mormonism. Her catch was we would not see our baby in Heaven if my wife did not convert. What kind of a heinous, forking monster does this to a grieving Mother? Luckily I was not there, or I would have been serving time. My wife is a strong woman, and rebuked her strongly, so MoMo sister-in-law begins crying, and my wife the grieving Mother ends up comforting her. WTF?! Post note, this POS SIL has five kids, and decides she does not like her husband or married wife. So...stop me if you heard this one before. She looks up an old friend on Facebook, the guy who converted her in Natioches, LA. She travels on business and has a lot of miles built up. So she meets this other Mormon. on so called business trips, and has an affair. it gets better he is still married too. His wife is suffering from mental issues, so he skips out on her.
They are now married and have gotten what they deserved, large alimonies, as the POS SIL was the breadwinner. Now, they are already in marriage counseling. But the good news, is they tithe enough to get back in as Mormon's in good standing.
I love Mormons. They always give me their drink tickets at business conferences.
Lol only thing they are good for
@@lordpimpington6405 you should put Jesus after your name lord... you seem to like to judge others. lord jesus there is a ring to that.
@@Apbt-rv7zw go away
@@chrisyk6410 Haha another hater
Savage 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"You need a suit? Dude, have mine. I can go to church naked it's fine."
I was shown this clip in church and it so accurately represents what this church is, they never take no for an answer
Oh you just need to up your game. At their very base they are cowards.
You can’t MAKE someone go to church.
Omfg the sexual tension when guillermo first talked to the guy
Anarchist Network Show Now! Now! We'll have none of that....Be nice.
100th like
He skips jajaja
Anarchist Network Show Theyre cute together!
Boom, 421 likes. Fuck ya!
There's a voice in my head telling me location of some plates, buried in my garden telling me to start a religion but few people are allowed to witness the plates
...
Well don't come to Missouri. We'll kick your ass out Mr Smith.
Don't do it Troy!
Next thing you know you'll get caught boinking another 14 yr old girl in the barn while your wife is screaming at you through the doors. Then you'll have to come up with a good revelation real quick to save your ass.
Next thing you know you'll be married to scads of girls, wives and daughters of your best friends whom you'll have to send away on missions to get at all the women.
Then you'll have to make (and I really mean "make") your own money to pay for all this and all your neighbours are gonna be really pissed and start taking shots at you.
Not worth it Troy!
Those at your dinner table?
Nobody witnessed the plates they never existed
The sad part is that this has happened to me.
The Mormon friends I've had in the past would never stop bothering me about going to church with them.
@Logan Botill well, you’re not one of those people anymore. you shouldn’t spend too much time dwelling on who you were in the past- what’s important is that you’ve changed
@Logan Botill No problem! you have a nice day as well :D
I'm in ex-mormon and they're manipulating me telling me that I need to go to a church my parents raised me in and one that they know is true so they're guilty me to come back
Feel free to tell them "Unfortunately, I know it is not true so I will not be coming back. Also, I do not appreciate your attempts to guilt trip me into coming back."
Write the letter to have your name removed. They’ll leave you alone after that.
I ship Guillermo and Steve
Vorti Gaunt SSMEEEEE
Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo! Steve and Guillermo!
Vorti Gaunt Me too
Steve is dominating.
Stevermo.
SAME lmao the sexual tension is real
If I was in the same position as the Mormon kid, I think that my life would start looking a lot like GTA.
LOL right
Telltale Atheist. Christian's?
TRUUUUUE
KUNG FU RAINBOW LAZER FORCE!
lmao
I feel sorry for Steve he has serious problem with his bike. Has to repair throughout the video
😆😂
I was raised Mormon and left the church in 2001. I had missionaries coming to wherever I lived until my husband opened the poor and told them he doesn’t know anyone by that name and cut not to come back. I haven’t seen them since, but I am happy that my family respected my view and didn’t send them again. I know I’m lucky that my family didn’t cut me off, even though my dad makes comments every once in awhile.
They stalked me with plates of cookies when I left the church. Even answering the door naked doesn't deter them.
John Lee cool
+Billie oddé "Even answering the door naked doesn't deter them."
Did you actually try that? LOL
We had tremendous luck once with the mormon missionaries that we saw coming down the street. We thew a bunch of heavy eye makeup on a 19 year old nephew, who then answered the door in a very short lavender silk kimono. They said nothing about their church and just about fell on their butts backing off the front porch as fast as they could.
They would do the same thing to me and im like "dude when you try to lure people at least use cookies you know won't kill them." duh!
When religious people come to you door just pretend to be a satantist and say " Satan welcomes you! " before they can even speak :) Also wear a black and red robe if possible for max effect
What I do is get really aggressive. They still show up whenever they damned well please, but I get really aggressive. Like, along the lines of
“Is Sister Averill home?”
Me: No, she’s at work.
“Oh, do you know when she’ll be back?”
Me: No, she’s never really home. She has college and work.
“Oh, well what about your father?” (They shunned my father because he wasn’t a member and fucking hated the church. Rest in peace 4/21/18)
Me: He’s not home either but I can show you his shotgun if you want. Has enough barrels for both of you to get a good fucking look.
I'm 18, and I grew up in in The mormon religion. In my quorum meetings, I cannot tell you how many times I have been asked to talk to someone, befriend someone, or have seen other people being told to do so because they want those people to become active in the church again. It disgusts me to have people tell myself and others to befriend someone for their own agenda.
Although, they usually didn't want us to invite them to church immediately. They usually would ask us to invite them to activities, so that we come with them, and then ask them to go to church.
+Psaul617 I know. They’re very manipulative. It’s sad
and telltale is grossly ignorant of mormons very few mormons are manipulative they don't represent the church as a whole there are bad apples in the church just like every religion just stop using generalizations
Can we get a version of this video where, after he gets Steve to go to church, he still gets sent back, and the real answer is to talk to Steve and be slowly deprogrammed?
Do it!
"I'm not watching 15 minutes of this dude fail miserably." Oh come on, that's the best thing about being solicited by Mormons!
A girl once told me I didn't belong at the PUBLIC school I went to because I was an atheist. She then proceeded to tell me that I'll burn in hell and all that bull shit. I never got people like this because to me its the equivalent of knowing Santa isn't real but an adult insisting he is and then telling me if I was naughty I would get coal in my stocking. Why would I be scared into something I don't believe exists?
You know, they almost had me. My parents intervened and said "yeah no, that's a cult babe"
im so glad you escaped it
Do you make decisions for yourself?
One can only be either lying or misinformed when commenting on the subject of Mormonism. It appears that Telltale Atheist knows enough about Mormonism to PRESENT it in the correct manor but does not.
Jim Caponzi He speaks like a typical cultist too. That overly-proper, “I’m better than you” kind of speak.
Richard Holmes okay, what about all the ex Mormons on here then? I've spent 17 years in the Mormon church and I know that it's a cult. Apply this channels key identifying traits for cults to Mormonism and see if you can scoff at the evidence then.
5:35 "We" = hive mentality. Utah is called the beehive state for more than one reason.
It is called beehive state because it is known for its industriousness and hard workers. I am a Utahn and member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love both my state and the Church.
@@Moose46316 thats why they said more than one reason
i was raised in this and i still live in this. and i keep trying to convince myself that you’re right. it’s really difficult to just undo 15+ years of brainwashing tho :/
Read the CES Letter and understand the churches ever changing doctrine more fully and you'll undo it fast. I was born and raised hard core mormon, byu, full 2 year mission, temple married, etc etc etc. It took me 23 years but I finally made it out.
Hope you're doing alright and have support.
you can escape the cult. There are many helpful people out their that will help you transition. Religion is still important, but not mormonism. They preach Joseph smith and not Jesus
Same here, I’m 17 and I hope to get out next year. But it’s hard going back to church every week + seminary every school day and remind myself that what they’re saying doesn’t make any sense.
@@user-gt4bf1mh9h religion is all crazy superstition
I was raised into a Mormon church and went to church every Sunday for the first 9 years of my life. All I've gathered from it is that they expect you to pay your church every month, know pretty much every single story there is in the bible, and that you should be like everyone else. I went to a Mormon girls camp for a week and almost every song is about how you'll grow up in the church, marry a nice handsome Mormon boy, and have kids. One of the camp leaders told one of my friends that if a girl ever proposes to her then she should say no because it's not God's plan. I have to say that being in the Mormon church is one of the worst things I've had to expirience.
oh yeah I've heard they're big about tithing
Yeah, they tell you that you'll be helping build more temples and that the gift of the Holy Ghost will strengthen or something.
Yeah everyone in the church hates people who are not in the church but they pretend not to.
yeah same here its like an abusive relationship
ohhhh i remember the day they dragged me to the bishops office to talk about my baptism they asked me if i wanted to be baptized everyone looked at me my parents faces along the lines of "dont fuck this up we'll be shunned"
i wish i could go back in time roundhouse kick the door in and shake younger me yelling "no dont do it!"
Sidney Johnsen that happened to me too
He even stalked him on social media, it's like he's gay for him
The Patriarchy
It seems they all are... including that older guy
Maybe it's just me.. But I only stalk people on Facebook I want to fuck...
Technically, "Can I ask why you feel that way?", IS a yes-or-no question
LMBAO!
@Charles Mendeley Let's spell it out:
This is not an "or" question.
"Can I ask why you feel that way?" sounds like an open-ended question, but it is a yes/no question. "Why do you feel that way?" is an actual open-ended question. "Can I ask...?" followed by anything has two proper answers: A) "Yes, you can ask." or B) "No, you cannot ask.", but the asker is secretly hoping the respondent will answer the implied open-ended question without actually forcing the asker to be that directly intrusive.
The best response, of course, is to answer that yes, they can ask, but then force them to ask it directly, only to deny them a direct answer while pointing out what a rudely intrusive question it is.
"But you said I could ask!"
"Yes. And you can. But I never said I would answer it, or that it would be a socially acceptable thing to ask in the first place."
Is that logically clearer for you, Charles? (Another yes/no question masquerading as a request for an open-ended answer. You really don't need to answer - I really don't care!)
Donovan Walker clearly you care enough to type that out haha
@@jeffreywendel7076 The never-ending curse of having a school teacher for a mother....
Left when I was 14, agnostic through high school, and discovered the true Christian faith in college. Leaving was the best decision I ever made
There is no more truth in Christianity than any other religion. That's all entirely your perception.
I’m so happy for you. God is amazing!!
@@bathumb45 *are you sure about that
All religion is bs
@@bathumb45 there's no truth in atheism either. Instead of a God, you place blind faith in Govt.
There's a kid at my school with Mormon parents who is transgender and attracted mostly to the same gender. I honestly feel really sorry for him. I don't know how his parents are handling it, but I'm worried.
+Natalie I’m sure they aren’t handling it properly. That is very sad
Telltale Atheist I agree, they probably aren't handling it well.
Natalie the person I am romantically involved with is the same exact situation it honestly breaks my heart
Brooklyn Minney That's super sad. I hope the best for him.
.....Not all Mormon families are the same... just like the Mormon women saying, we are NOT all the same.. some of us are just stupid and conceded XDDD
All this video shows me is that becoming Mormon would make me go insane because of not being able to indoctrinate others
It showed me that sky daddy thinks I should pretend to be people's friends if I want something out of them 😻
As someone who has born the brunt of this treatment, and by my family no less, I can tell you that this is exactly the way it is. And when I decided to stop going to church they shunned me for years. I can't tell you how much it hurt that I was nothing but a ministry to my own family. Come to find out later that they were under all kinds of pressure from the church concerning me. They were utterly humiliated.
I grew up Mormon in Utah. This is beyond real. The “hey how are you! Missed you at church last week” and the “hey there’s a new kid in the ward from Florida. Who wants to go invite him to church?”
I will say that Mormons don’t usually drop it as easily as he did on the spot
What is the church supposed to do? Not be friendly?
@@Moose46316 I personally don't have a problem with a person being friendly, but when a Mormon is being friendly it only for recruiting purposes only into the cult !!
@@Moose46316
You can be friendly without having to shove your beliefs in other's faces 😭
Be friends with someone because you want to. It's toxic to be friends with someone just because you want them to come to your church.
@@SkIbIdI0rchid I am not toxic. I have many good friends who are not members of the Church and they are wonderful people.
@@Moose46316
Yes, I am not saying you're toxic. But this is something I observe in the church. Some members are only friendly to newcomers because they want them to be baptized. Once they're baptized they stop being friends with them.
That is toxic. But being friends with non believers is definitely ok if done for the right reasons.
I have a hard time with this. I’m extremely impressionable, and I’m only 14. To be honest, I see some of the JW and Mormon vids and I think, that’s not so bad, despite being an ex JW. It’s scary that I don’t see a problem with this until you point it out, honestly it’s what keeps me coming back to your vids.
I had that kind of problem too but I learned to stop doing it
It's okay. You're at the point where you can begin to critically think about such things. You don't need a common religion to believe in. I'm not saying not to believe in a God, but be a step above the others and admit that you truly don't know reality. The moment someone claims they have an understanding of "God," their word is reduced to nothing to me.
It's good that you recognize this. I desperately wanted mormonism to be true, but there is simply too much evidence against it.
For starters, if you believe the bible, it gives us a clear test on how to know if someone is a prophet of God. If that person gives even one prophecy that does not come to pass, then it was not of God, and that person is no prophet. Joseph Smith gave numerous false prophecies over the course of his life, some with very specific timelines that did not come to pass. This alone should be enough to prove he is a false prophet and that the lds church is untrue. However, there are many more proveable ways to determine this
The book of Abraham was faudulent (look into that, it's crazy)
Much of the church's original writings have been rewritten and altered, with the old writings being hidden.
Joseph Smith married upwards of 20 women, some of whom were already married to other men who did not know. Smith told these women that it was "God's will" for them to be married and that he had recieved revelation about polygamy and the "plurality of marriages", despite having claimed earlier in his life that God forbade polygamy.
The story of the day Joseph finally went to retrieve the plates has changed multiple times. But one detail that remained constant is the dimensions of the plates, which were very specific. Assuming the dimensions were correct and the plates were actually made of gold, they would have weighed over 200 lbs, so there is no way he could have carried them home under his arm.
It's been proven that the Jews and Native American Indians share no genetic ancestry.
There's no archaeological evidence of any ancient society in North America that fits the description of the civilization in the book of mormon, even though we've been able to find archaeological evidence of much older civilizations all around the world.
The structure of the bishops and council and church president etc was clearly done away with by Jesus's death and resurection. When he resurected, the temple veil was torn, symbolyzing that the individual could enter the holy of holies directly and no longer needed a priest to intercede on his behalf before God. Confessing sins to a bishop and doing special rituals in order to enter the temple is not something we have to do.
Joseph smith was a freemason and copied the temple endowment ceremony and other rituals directly from freemasonry.
At its roots, mormonism is about reaching a certain level of enlightenment in order to become gods. That is the same false promise offered by luciferianism and every other secret religion and occultic group throughout time, all the way back to the devil in the garden of eden telling eve that if she ate the apple that she would be like God.
I hope this helps gives you some ammunition to stay on track! :)
I feel this same way but I've worked a lot over the last couple years on this and thinking for myself
No because fr. It's hard to detach from such things. I feel ya, at least we begin to learn from it and break the dependency and cycle of it all.
i have a friend and she is in a mormon church and she tells me doesn't want to be a mormon anymore but she always invites me to sleep over and go to church with her the next day. she told me to join her church to "make it easier on her" idk if its an excuse to get more people in or of she needs me
its probably genuine. but i wouldn't risk going because they definitely use mind control tactics. this video is an example but there are even better examples. just be careful because they pick out things to say to which they know the human mind will be susceptible
Tarloc Plays shes str8, m8 😂
melly jelly i've been there as a jw. i hated being in the church but i would always want my friends to come with just so my controlling mom would let me hang out with them. the best you can do is encourage them to leave
+TheShockinglyEloquentDog woof ya. That’s the best you can do
+Mxborg 23 thats impossible Because I’m Elvis and i’m already married to miss universe.
Damn, I remember watching this video in sunday school and feeling hella uncomfortable. I didn't know why at the time.
Left in 2006, never looked back and was the best decision of my life!
Smart move God bless you
@@DoomerViking_51 I am a proud member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love the Church and know of its truthfulness. No I am not brainwashed or belong to a cult. Through my own personal journey I have come to a sure knowledge of the truth that Joseph Smith was a prophet and Russell Nelson is a prophet today.
@@Moose46316 Show us proof! How about we talk about D&C 132:16.... I can't wait till I become a slave to some crazy Mormon! Hehe
@@WhoReallyCares917 Proof of what?
@@WhoReallyCares917 This is not about slavery. Those who choose not to follow the God's plan of eternal marriage will become angels and servants because they choose to follow man's law not God's law. It is their choice. You should not make light of things you do not understand.
I am kinda shipping those two
Gil-Gaer Galadriellion
same.
Same
Everyone does
I remember being shown this video in priesthood class, now looking at this from an ex-Mormon perspective I realize how much this is just blatant propaganda. I can personally attest that this is in fact, how Mormons teach the youth in the church, as sad as that is.
hi, do you want to talk? email me at thecomplexxtherapper@gmail.com
All we do in young womans is watch videos and learn the same stuff all year. Like I’ve seen the same videos 10 times at least. I’ve seen the one shown and I found it awful. All they show is propaganda. I just want out of the church so bad.
I was born and raised in a Mormon controlled town, and this is 100% what they do. They pass the BITE Model sniff test of what would be considered a cult.
They showed up three days after I moved into my house in the middle of nowhere, nothing but cows and farmland to “help with my move”, which was unsettling enough. When I told them I voluntarily excommunicated (like 30 something effing years ago), and wanted nothing to do with the church they started coming back even more. This was confusing not just because they were violating set boundaries, but because we were treated like the devil would rub off if they got too close for our apostasy. I finally had to put up a “no trespassing this means you” sign to make them stop.
Anyway, I was reading exmo horror stories, and apparently, when some exmos returned to the fold, they were guilted to not only pay their mandatory tithing, but make additional payments to make up for the time they left and didn’t pay. What a racket! It just goes to show you what is most important to the LDS church.
Mormons Inc.
I have worked with excommunicated members. They are not required to pay back tithing for the time they were out of the Church. They came to help you with your move out of genuine friendship. However if you requested no visits that should have been respected. I love the Church the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have a strong testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel. Unfortunately the people are not perfect.
@@Moose46316 "They came to help you with your move out of genuine friendship." riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight Lol. It's a quid pro quo relationship.
Why has the comment section become the gay ship fandom
Because of Russia.
Because of the unnecessary sexual tension
@@mallory3747Fr tho 😂
I actually was raised Mormon for most of my life. It had a great affect on my family. The church had scared my brother into thinking the end of the world could happen any moment just so he wouldn't leave the church. My mom had her self-esteem lowered by the church, because she felt she wasn't perfect enough. This caused her to suffer from more sicknesses and depression. I was quite young when we went to the LDS church so memories are vague, but I remember being bored. The real impact this has on me has happened in my later life, years after we left the church due to my Uncle being gay, and how my mom didn't like the church treating him this way. Now since we're mostly inactive LDS (we haven't really left the church), a lot of the people I know in my ward are trying to get me back in. I know if I told them about my own sexuality and how I don't like how the Mormon church is treating people, they would shun me. I even have friends that have figured it out and are beginning to shun me. A lot of my close family members don't know, and we don't tell them in fears that they won't love us anymore. It's hard because you can't shake off the brainwashing. It takes time, and you still feel like you'll never be perfect. In fact, I left the church about 4 years ago. It still affects me. I'm glad I'm sharing my story. Even if I am an internet troll, I just wanted to put my experiences out there.
good news dnc 132 says you can be a slave to outstanding mormon in celestial heaven. lds is sick joke
Damnnn I'm currently Mormon, and when I watched most of these videos I never really made much attention to them till now, lol I've been brainwashed since the very beginning when I got converted back in 08
well I'm glad youre finding your way out, slowly but surely. but its bullshit. same with jehovahs witnesses
Yeesh--what got you out?
Welcome to freedom to think for yourself! I'm a former mormon myself, chucked my celestial crown, cut up my "holy" underwear and never looked back.
Follow Mormon stories with John delin. It will detox you from the cult with truth bombs.
It’s crazy seeing this video now as an ex Mormon versus when I was younger. I even REMEMBER watching it.
The perspective of the members is that they’re bringing all the joy, answers, and love that people need but telltale is right, it’s disingenuous and superficial if you’re only manipulating them to do what you want. If you want to help them just help them! If you want to be their friend be their friend! That never has to come with an agenda.
I wish the message was more about loving and supporting people which you can do without the church
Error number 1: Come up to me when I'm busy and invite me to Church "today", invite me _anywhere_ today, the answer will be "No".
i live in arizona so there are a lot of mormons around here and i honestly just feel so bad for them. they are brainwashed from birth and forced to act a certain way. it seems like such a waste.
well.. not really
Forced to act a certain way??? The church isn't north Korea you know, literally no one is forced to behave any way, just because people aren't interested in the crap you get up to it doesn't mean they are forced or brainwashed, I actually find society the most brainwashed & forced because unless you're getting drunk, collecting STDs, & In general following the rest of the herd then your not cool, there must be something wrong with them, oh how horrid those nasty Mormons are brainwashing them into happier, safer, better & more productive life's! Oh the horror how dare they encourage people to be the best they can be & give them value & purpose in life, shocking 😹😹😹 seriously people need to get sorry about their own lives instead of judging those making an effort to improve themselves
@@shape-shiftingcatandhermin2508 tone it down you are gonna scare them away, they will just think you sound crazy of you dont approached in a cooler state of mind
Shape-shiftingCat AndHerMinions Honestly the fact that you think the outside world is all about "getting drunk and STDs and other stuff" shows how brainwashed you are.
"World bad, church good, you not happy, me happy! Oooo!"
Until you actually see the world for what it is, just take your vitamins and go to sleep honey. The world's not filled with alcoholics and sex addicts.
And btw, the church is VERY controlling. Try wearing pants/tank top to church one day (I'm assuming your a girl). Though they will let you wear them you will get heavily judged for it. It's the social stigma that keeps members in check it is very controlling.
@@ponykazy3725 stop it! why cant you just... let them believe what they want to?? like
I live in Utah, (and Utah is swarmed with Mormons) and I was always forced into thinking certain things. When I got older I left that religion and was forced to still do things that Mormons do, by friends and family, such as, praying, reading scriptures, and going to church. When I refused I was told by friends that they would ignore me until I joined again, but luckily my family is slowing starting to accept me.
sarah maxwell I'm 17 living with my Mormon dad and step mom. I had to leave my mom who isn't Mormon, due to some bad stuff there right now and honestly I'm in that situation I hate it.
I live in Utah I have lost a lot of my friends just for looking for evidence and when I bump in to them at school they kinda have a face of disgust and I haven't changed at all other then I'm an atheist
Mormonism is a good thing.
Can't even hold a job? I was working when I was FIRED UNJUSTLY by Drew Israelsen, wasn't I?
You got nothing because you said ''I DONT CARE''! The ONLY way you can counter what you know you cannot argue with is to say ''I DONT CARE'', that is! Therefore your comment of ''JEM Seven exposed you'' has been debunked by your other comment. You're not doing too well here, are you?
Exmormon here, i was part of this ward missionary group and a phrase a leader used over and over again was "get as many strings attached to them so they get tangled up in them"
I was a 3rd generation Mormon LMAO
I stopped attending
I really need to submit my resignation to the LDS church
I want my name and my childrens names officially off the scrolls
In Salt Lake City
You literally have to sign documents
Crazy...
quitmormon.com its really fast and easy, and the church can't contact you about it unless they are telling you that your records have been removed. No meetings or anything, its a free website made by attorneys so its all completely legal and really easy
I implore you to reconsider your decision. I am a proud member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I know we all have struggles. My son left the church and he regrets his decision. We love him very much. I know the Church is true and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and President Nelson is a prophet of God. These videos are made by people who have an agenda. Pray about your decision and the Lord will help you.
@Logan Botill I have watched the video. Why criticize some ones beliefs? Have I criticized your beliefs? I know without a doubt in my mind that the gospel of Jesus Christ was restored by Joseph Smith and that Russell M Nelson is a prophet of God today. I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the Lord's Church. However I love all people and religions. I have friends in many different religions. I respect them and would never criticize anyone else's religious beliefs including yours whatever they are. It doesn't say much for your character if you can't respect someone's belief. I don't care what you think. I only care what God thinks. I am never going to change my beliefs because I know what I was told by the power of the Holy Ghost and I will never deny the truth that was revealed to me. If you can't be respectful I will not engage with you. May God bless you and your family stay healthy and safe
@Logan Botill Thanks for your respectfulness. I appreciate it. I feel bad you had a bad experience. You are welcome in Utah in my home any time. May God bless you.
@@Moose46316 beliefs are meant to be criticized and scrutinized. There is no other way to see if there are any flaws or if you are mistakenly holding false views as true. If they are true they will stand up to the scrutiny. And there will be evidence that can support them.
I have a Mormon friend. I've been to her home a couple of times. I noticed that their living room has lots of pictures of 'God'. Her parents are nice. But they're so 'normal' that it feels like they're robots that act according to their programming. My friend, let's call her 'Jane', is not allowed to watch a lot of stuff that her religion deems inappropriate. Jane's friend, let's call him Shane', was going around school one day asking people if they would like a book of Mormon. Out of curiosity, I said yes. The book is in my room and I've only read a couple of chapters. It's complete bullcrap. The only summary I can think of for it is 'and so it came to pass that this happened and then it came to pass that THIS happened'. Jane recently realised she was attracted to both males and females. At this time she also found out that one of our friends had been self-harming (we've already intervened here. Our friend is doing better). Her father found out about that as well and he told her that his therapist told him that people who self-harm are manipulative and are trying to 'hurt' others. Jane came out to her sister a few days ago and her sister has since stopped talking to her. When she came out her sister had said that she couldn't even look at her among other things.
After reading the book of Mormon's first few chapters, I'd told Jane. Since she didn't have a phone at the time, I had to tell her through her mom's phone. Her family had been very happy about the fact that I was reading it and when I went to Jane's house a few weeks later, they asked me about whether I'd read any more and how far I was into the book and whether I had any questions about it.
I haven't read the book since and I never will again. I'm probably just going to throw it away.
....Yet again XD Not all of the Mormon families are the same lol we collect swords in our living room and we have one picture of "God" XD And yet, we are Mormon...sooo XD
I'm sorry that Jane went through all that. Nobody should have to be ignored by their family just because they're discovering their own sexuality.
I'm not LdS (Mormon). Never was and neither has anyone in my family been LdS. Believe it or not there is a reason to keep that Book of Mormon. The title page (most people don't bother to read it) says that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD.
My wife and I lived in Utah from 1982 until 2007. I spoke with dozens of LdS missionaries (more probably hundreds) and none of the ever referred to Jesus as "God", let alone as "the God". Many of them referred to Jesus as "a God" in contradiction to the title page of the Book of Mormon.
If you ever have a chance--and you probably will--ask LdS missionaries to read the above-quoted part from the title page of the Book of Mormon. Tell them the definitive article seems to indicate that Jesus is the only God humans should worship and then invite them to tell you about him on condition that they won't invite you to worship any other god. (Use your own wording of course.)
Her parents will not be supportive. Maybe she could stay with you for a while? She'll need your friendship now more than ever.
There's honestly not anything crazy about us mormons. We try to avoid some inapropriate things but it's not like we can't have cellphones or can't play video games or anything.
Used to believe in religion until I realized I didn't see any proof of god that never answered me and I started to think with logic. I remembered I told my mum and she kinda looked confused and had to explain why I'm atheist. I'm also the only atheist in my whole family but at least I'm accepted and I read the bible and it didn't really make sense to me and sometimes I wonder why I believe in it but I will respect why they do.
right. at least you're accepted. the hooks of belief are very strong. its good you escaped it
jjak Hernandez I'm the only atheist in my family too.And I'm bisexual(my grandma says I'm a sinner cuz she's a Jehovahs witness)
Tinkaa damn
@Hernandez Might I suggest a little closer investigation of Mormonism (Jesus Christ) before concluding though.
Richard Holmes Are you a Mormon
I'm Mormon, and so is my family. We don't really go to church anymore, so we don't act like that. But I can definitly say this is how people in the church act. Sometimes, they send people over to see if we'll come back.
Yup, nothing was more pathetic than when I was "assigned" to be someone's "friend", i.e. home teacher.
You don't have an understanding of Home teaching.
@@Moose46316 You don't have an understanding of common sense. "I can't duplicate the pages.... um, er... you know... because God is angry and now he doesn't want his children to have the book of Lehi... on account of his anger.... but he does still want us to have the rest of the book." To say you're gullible is gross understatement.
@@echosmyth5021 Don't criticize something I hold sacred. I have done much fasting and praying. Not gullible. God is not angry. The book of Lehi was abridged onto the plates of Nephi. The reason they were abridged was because if they were retranslated the evil man who had the 116 manuscripts would alter them in an effort to discredit the work. I am a College Professor of Social Studies and US Government so through much research and study I have come to know of a surety that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and President Nelson is our modern day prophet.
@@Moose46316 Your beliefs aren't sacred, they're moronic. No, the book of Lehi is not abridged in the book of Nephi. Point me to anywhere as a source for your claim. Listen to how gullible and dumb you sound, "...if they were retranslated the evil man who had the 116 manuscripts would alter them in an effort to discredit the work."
Two huge glaring problems here. First, you have zero evidence the man was "evil". Had Joseph retranslated the script verbatim, the man would be terrified to know that God really is using Joseph as his mouth piece. The man wouldn't dare to discredit him because he would realize it is true. Second, the absence of the book DISCREDITS the BOM. So you're still in the same boat, the only difference is that God's people are left without the "important" teachings that were in the book of Lehi. Is there a book in the BOM that you feel we could discard and do without? Russell is a prophet of God? Doesn't the church teach that families are forever? That death is only a temporary separation from your spouse? How would your wife feel if you were temporarily separated from he because you went to Florida for vacation and then found another wife and brought her home? If families are forever and death is only temporary, why did Russell get remarried? You are THE DEFINITION of gullible.
@@echosmyth5021Why disrespect something that someone holds sacred? If you don't like the Church that is okay with me. I won't judge you or disrespect you. I love the Church and I expect the same type of respect whether you like the church or not
I was at a christian elementary school, though not Christian in general, some... group that's a little different. I don't know, I was young. We weren't allowed to dress up as witches and wizards on Halloween and I had a friend who was not allowed to read Harry Potter.
Our RE teacher told us that demons are real and we should never try to contact them (like ouija stuff or something like that) because we'd die.
After a party our class made (like, turning off the lights, drinking cola and listening to pop music. We were fourth graders.), our teacher talked for days about a pop song we had listened to. It was just a song, really, we didn't even understand what it was about. Had something to do with a one night stand, I think, and then we had to listen to our teachers for hours and hours explaining how having sex just for fun, without being in a relationship/marriage, is BAD.
We were NINE. All we did was giggle whenever she said "sex".
I wanted to go to middle and high school there too, but my parents stopped me, and I'm so thankful. Back then I thought this was all funny and nobody would actually believe in demons who kill you if you sit in a circle and call them.
Now I'm beginning to realize how serious these things can get, and how wrong it is that my teacher probably still goes around and tell nine year olds about how she had a student once who was almost killed by a demon. They might believe that!
And my elementary school is Nothing compared to JW or Mormons... but I don't think I would have been able to come out as gay to my class there.
uh, that school sounds way worse than mormons...
@@eeeeggnog._.I agree with you
I met a mormon in highschool, eventually became close friends then later came to a point where he invited me to either come to their church or they will come visit my house. Due to my disinterest in religion and my natural skepticism, I always made sure to dodge their invitations by making a lot of excuses. heck he even gave me a copy of the book of mormon (which I pretended to read). I now realized how dangerously close I am to joining them.
Wow this is accurate it’s happening to me
Yay! Assigned friendships! 🙄
OK I read the comments before watching the video and thought it was just the Internet being the Internet but... Yeah, no. Guillermo is totally into Steve.
This is a pretty great love story
How to best use your groundhog day thing: you are basically inmortal so learn everything.
thats how id spend it. but some people want to spend it GTA style
id spend it reading every possible book and reaping as much knowledge ad i can until i am able to manipulate matter with brain waves😂
Why break out of a time loop when you now have unlimited time to do anything you ever want. Spend the next “years” binging Netflix.
The book of MoRMOOoOooN-
(You know, the Broadway musical..?)
that was made by mormons wasn't it
Telltale Atheist It was actually made by the guys who made South Park, who are athiests.
Telltale Atheist
No, but I heard it was funny.
I've seen clips online. It was hilarious.
Telltale Atheist The musical is more like a parody on cults like the church of Mormonism, talking about how Mormons are encouraged to keep their feelings in ("Turn It Off" is a primo example of that) and deny their own feelings, even in cases of extreme things like family death. It also talks about the ridiculousness of trying to fit in with the church and conform to the religion while converting people as missionaries, and in the end the characters form their own cult-ish thing as a spinoff. They are all banned from the traditional Mormon church by the end. The story is actually very good, but the commentary is 10/10. It also touched on smaller themes like 3rd world countries and extreme poverty, and the music is incredible (I highly recommend the cast recording, I bet you'd find it amusing)
I was a Mormon but I’m still being force to go because my parents have unfortunately are have been brainwashed into the cult so I get chewed out and have gotten the cops called on me for not going . Once I tried to leave early then all of my stuff was taken. They have brain watched my siblings into thinking I’m going to hell now . I’m now told on a regular basis that I going daily. I want to get out completely so bloody bad now
I’m so sorry. I went through the same thing. I got out but my family’s still in it. How are you doing now?
@@Zoeyfm ive since been disowned and am living my best life
I'm so sorry. As a mom with adult children that I forced to go, huge regrets. They knew long before I did what a cult this is. Listen to Mormon stories with John delin. It will help you get through this knowing you are doing the right thing. You are not alone.
Someone tried something similar with me once, and he stopped talking to me after I told him I wasn't in the market for a new religion.
I'm currently a Priest in the Mormon church (Like 16 since the priesthood is given to boys at 12) And although the people I know in my Ward (Congregation) aren't all that manipulative, the church as a whole is full of assholes.
But like the missionaries... Man... They are something else. Nice guys but I'm pretty sure they were taught how to be Master manipulators.
😂😂😂😂😂
oh wow hows that holding up are you okay
If your really mormon why are you swearing?
@@johnlevin4567 cause your mom
When I was younger, I actually thought it was called "Moron Church". Not that it makes much of a difference...
Let me clear this up. In the beginning of the video, Guillermo was the the groundhog’s day loop because he only tried to get Steve to come to church because he was told to. Later on he decides to be his friend instead of force the church to him. Only after a couple months pass and they are close friends does he try to ask him if he wants to come to church. If Steve would’ve said he didn’t want to go with him to church, Guillermo wouldn’t have kept asking him and continued being his friend. If someone you know is trying to get you to go to church with them, it’s not because they have to, but because they think it will help you.
replace "Mormon" with "Amway" and you got something almost identical lol
I read a book called Cults Inside Out by cult interventionist expert Rick Ross and he said that Amway is considered a cult. Mormons call people who leave or criticize their institution apostates, Scientologists call them Supressive Persons (SPs), and Amway members call them "dream stealers."
Are you in Grand Rapids??? This city hates the DeVoses and Van Andels even though every building downtown is named after them. Almost all of us who grew up here have people try to rope us into the Amway cult. Thankfully, my turn was an online sales pitch that I peaced out of once I saw what it was lol
@@katieoberst490 yes but you miss the point entirely
mormon is a cult and its structured like amway but instead of making sales you are expected to indoctrinate anyone and everyone into the mormon cult
@@Ponlets Laughable!!!
@@davidwhitesell8302 not really ... i used to be mormon and i can assure you that they are very much like an amway group in that they try to get you to buy into their crap
I was born and raised in a Mormon family and it took me until I was about 25 before I finally started to wake up and see the Mormon church for what it was. I can happily say that my wife and I as well as our kids have resigned from the Mormon church and are living our lives as we see fit, not at the whims of the Mormon church. This video is very accurate. The Mormon church uses many different mind control and herd conformity techniques to draw people into the church and keep them their. To their dismay though, more and more people are leaving the church than they will openly admit.
The active membership of the Mormon church is closer to 5 yo 7 million world wide and not the 15+ million that they boast, in many cases thank to the internet and to UA-camrs like this. Thanks +Telltale keep up the good work!
The only thing that is not accurate is that Guillermo would have been more skilled in all the sales tactics that LDS by his apparent age. Of course it's a training film so they have to show how to improve over time.
Congratulations! Most Mormon fathers loose everything is they walk away from the church.
I'm an ex Mormon, and I remember being shown this video. Looking back, it makes me sick that I was a part of this.
I'd like to thank you for covering Mormonism. I watch a lot of atheists channels, and they mostly cover the big churches, like Catholics, muslims, and more main stream branches of Christianity. I'm glad to see something more focused on what I used to believe. I know you mostly do JW stuff, but if you want to do more Mormon stuff, I'd appreciate it.
+XSoulbound __ i intend to branch out. Ex-JW’s aren’t the only ones suffering
Telltale Atheist Cool ;)
im not even mormon and I know that lashing out at a non believer like you did is looked down upon in your church. Lol, why are you so mad? The individual was just expressing their opinion and is free to think what they want. Frickin tard hammer
Jacob; he is projecting his own disgust at himself for watching these "anti-Mormon" videos and for the doubts that they are creating in his own mind. His lashing out at ex-Mormons is his way of mentally and emotionally distancing himself from that doubt and self-loathing. It has been my observation that this behavior almost always signifies that one is already on their own way out of the mental clutches of the church, but they aren't ready to accept this fact yet. Trust me, John Lee is in a crisis of faith. But he will deny it vehemently until he comes to terms with himself. I've seen it again and again.
My best friend of three years is a Mormon. She told me today that she believes that anyone who does drugs should die as well as anyone who’s not Mormon “like the holocaust”. She knows I’m not Mormon, too. I’ve been friends with her for awhile and this is just one of disgusting things she’s said. I wish I could help her.
Most Mormons would find her comments to be as horrible as you do. She sounds like a piece of work!
Ive started going to a baptist church. I'm getting texts from my kids primary teachers, relief society pres, other scouts (we were in that too) leaders. It's now kind of fun to say, "we aint in it anymore" with nothing but confidence.
As you always say, you have a lot of Christians watching your channel! I’m definitely one of them. I will always remain what I am, but you are absolutely creative and hilarious and you DO make good common sense points! Plus, it’s fun to completely expose, IMO, the REALLY clannish, CULTISH, CULTS! Happy Thanksgiving!
thanks for watching. happy thanksgiving
I was raised to be a perfect little Mormon girl (I had to find out that I was intersex via the freaking internet in my teen years) and I can attest that this is exactly how we were taught to behave.
+LeRueTheDay terribly sad
Telltale Atheist It is.
As a fellow former mormon, you have my deepest sympathy for having to discover yourself the hard way. The church keeps everything they think is "abnormal" so under wraps that even finding out other concepts exist can give you an identity crisis (realizing I was gay being one example, it freaked me out initially because I didn't know people like that even existed)
Billie oddé It is jarring. I didn't know that I was pansexual until high school.
John Lee I assure you I am not at all confused and I am perfectly capable of taking accountability for my actions and life. I don't need a book or potential afterlife reward to determine right from wrong but your concern is touching thanks ;) personally I think if you need someone to tell you how to not be a douchebag or be bribed to do the right thing, then you're the one with a weakness.
Both mormons an jws has tried to flag me down on the street. I always avoid talking to them other than saying bye as i walk past. It is in the back of my head that they might be better drilled in talking around, at mental gymnastics made to make you give up.
My son went to school with a mormon who’s mother had him steal school books for his younger siblings.
I am being raised in a strong Mormon household going generations back and i want to escape so badly. My parents say I don’t have a choice in anything of my religious life until i’m 18 and not living under their roof. It honestly makes me want to cry when they preach about agency and then don’t give me a choice. I love my family but I’m not even comfortable with myself because of the religion forced upon me.
The say they obey the laws and freedoms of the country they're in, and in the case of the U.S.A that's *freedom of religion.* This week I'm going to probably tell my mom I don't want to go to church anymore, and use free agency and that as a weapon.
It's strange to think that teenage me (a baptist not a mormon) would have found this to be a heartwarming story about this kid finding the lord... it makes me feel literally nauseous.
Jimmy Browne this kind of shit is spread across every Christian denomination.
Jimmy Browne I’m Mormon and first time I saw it I did see it like that but now I’m just a 13 year old kid that doesn’t follow the rules of the church and gets guilt tripped every time I’m there
Mike The owner of James' sooubway Damn if you're 13, thats impressive you're seeing through it! I saw somebody on the Jehovah's Witness subreddit who was the same age and was upset about all the "hate" her religion was getting
It's even worse than his description. They divide the sexes and the ages or classes if you lie, share information in secret behind your back, and make plans to manipulate you in the more senior classes.They research you in all ways and use what they learn to manage you to their ends, even creating small miracles and devine coincidences. Mind you, most of them were just average good people.It's the ones that don't believe in god and now it's a scam that are the ones to worry about. They see others as sheep and themselves as something more superior for their ability to manipulate them. It's all very wonderful until you've looked at them long enough with a critical eye. Nausea is a start to how you feel once the truth shows through to you on the inside.
When I was a Mormon, I tried to use this tactic. I befriended someone who, I believed, I could turn him into a Mormon. This man was a great guy, and I think he thought it was a legitimate friendship, but I was using him for my own gain. I never had a "conversion moment" for myself so I thought this would be it. I was really scummy and I was very very selfish. I realized soon that all that I knew was Bs so I won't do that anymore.
I’m an ex-Mormon who won’t leave the church because it’s honestly a hassle, but the weakness is how they got me. I was lonely and sad, and once they found out I was unsure about what happened to my grandmother, who I was very close to, that was it. They told me in order for her to go to heaven, I had to be baptized and confirmed, get a temple recommend, go to the temple, get endowed, and do so many other steps in order for her to go to heaven.
"Implying that no one really cares how he's doing..." wow you nailed it. This is something I never really put to words, but it's very true. The kid only says like two things before he mindlessly blows past any normal conversation and skips to the invite. The fact that he comes back again and again after an answer only further proves this.
Let me talk about this from my perspective.
I am a 15 year mormon male, I was born and raised in the church. And while yes we are encouraged to bring people to our religion, it's not mandatory. Another thing that I agree with wholeheartedly is the mention of shunning people and leaving them alone. It's a really bad mentality that almost all members seem to have. if someone is a lost cause, they leave them alone and don't talk to them saying they "Still love them" and "It doesn't matter" when in reality it honestly is just them deliberately being asses to their "lost causes."
As a mormon, I think that this church good, if only to raise nice people. I have friends who'll forgive me for doing horrible things and they'll still be my friend. But the adults are insufferable, they aren't open minded and are just lousy in general.
To close, I don't dislike the church, but it's slowly becoming more and more apparent how much bull is being fed to us, and the secrets that they hide from their members
Man, Happy Death Day is weirder than I remember it being.
Oh yeah, and once I asked a question purposely disruptive to class in Sunday school: "do I still love my family if they abuse me?". The teacher said "bring it to the bishop". I then follow it up with "what if the bishop was the one doing the abuse?" as an attempt to kinda break the teacher (I'm that sort of person). *DEAD. FUCKING. SILENCE.*
There's a group of Mormons that constantly come over to our house to try and get my sister to go to their church. They would text her, and she would tell them that she's uncomfortable with their beliefs and doesn't want to read their bible, but they still come around every now and then. They don't take no for an answer.
I went to Rotterdam just walking over the streets with some friends and a Jehova's witness suddenly came out of nowhere and asked us "Hey do you believe in God?"
I listened to her carefully and let her speak. Sometimes I asked her a question but she then told me that she wasn't finished yet so I waited for my turn.
When it was my turn to speak she kept interrupting me the whole time and shouted in an angry tone that what I believe is false and all that shit.
Not only was she hypocritical af but there is just no talking to them anyway. They have practiced so much on conciously twisting your words that it just gets annoying and you can never win the conversation. The next time i'm just going to avoid people like that
+VegetableSalad people take it as a personal offense when you dont believe the way they do
I have a friend who did his best in trying to get me to go to any event associated with his LDS church. I told him that I am not interested in any church and continuing to interject church stuff in our conversations would simply push me away. He immediately ceased. We're still friends years later.
Someone from the church told me that asking someone to go Vegan is a lot to ask!
I've met people like this who persistently ask about church almost every time you see them. They feel like failures if people they truly care about don't go and I just feel bad that these people are taught this.
I was raised Mormon and I can tell you first hand that they will do pretty much anything to get someone to go to church. Most of the people are genuine and want to share the church because it makes them happy but it leads to some messed up shit. I was good friends with a girl whose family didn't go to church anymore and had asked not to be contacted. I can't tell you how many times I had to gently suggest that we should leave them alone.
Also, I was pretty heavy into the doctrine before I left and I can answer any questions about mormons if any one is interested.
John Lee Wat do you mean?
Gosh so many question umm, Can you tell us about the magic under wear, By the way John Lee we have acriological data that disproves the idea that Hebrew people where in America
The message is to be a friend. At the first of the video, Guillermo was only interested in doing what he was supposed to do, what he felt he needed to do. He learns the lesson that it's not about getting the person to go to church or to convert him, and that is how he had always believed it was supposed to work. He learned that even if Steve Tanner never decides to go to church, Guillermo can be his friend and show kindness to him and legitimately care about him as a person. Just as Christ said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." He gets to know Steve as he visits him, albeit groundhog day style. He realizes that Steve is a good person and he wants to be his friend because he legitimately wants to be his friend. He begins sharing his time and friendship with him because he cares about his new friend. He learns to show Christ-like love. He learns that he still has a lot to learn about Christ, his beliefs, and serving and loving others. Guillermo realizes that he has been blessed because he befriended and got to know Steve personally. We can learn more by showing kindness, consideration, love, and faith in Christ if we can get outside of ourselves and serve and love as Christ did.
“We will never get a man into space. This earth is man’s sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it.” - Joseph Fielding Smith
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.” -John Fitzgerald Kennedy
1962
1969 Neil Armstrong walks on the moon.
Pretty good..speaks for itself. 👍
my parents are mormon and they really do love bombing. Its awful the manipulation and they do not even know it. Im so sad for how she fell into it
+PeachySulcata it’s a sad situation
I’ve been to Baptist churches who were like this. Always trying to get you to “witness” to people. I was depressed and anxious when I attended church & now that I don’t, I’m much, much happier.
It's strongly encouraged to invite people, but I was always, always, always told to not press or ask why.
It's true, I have talked to a lot of mormon missionaries, they are so willing to help you and offer all kind of things with a smile. Once you say you're not interested in mormonism, they totally forget about you and stop the smiles.