Thanks! Glad you liked it! As much as I love super expensive gear.. realistically I can’t just go and drop all that money due to other expenses in life! But man, this scope has paid for itself in the amount of use I’ve gotten out of it. Just went hunting with it again this week and tagged a painted desert sheep, Iranian red sheep and more hogs! Update video will definitely be posted!
I'm a somewhat noob to guns, especially rifles. Just got my first. A Sig 716i. I had no clue about scopes but wanted one. I said to the guy in the gun store I want a Sig. He pulled out the one you review here, the price was right and he installed it. I've now been to the range and put about 100 rounds through it. My first experience with a scope. It worked very well. Absolutely no complaints. I am guilty of believing the more you spend the more you get. But the rifle alone was 1700. I'd be hardpressed to spend more on a scope. Excellent video. Subbed. ty.
Thanks for the sub! Glad you found it helpful! Don’t get me wrong, the expensive optics are pricey for a reason. They are awesome to use. But I’m a firm believer that you hit a point of diminishing returns after a certain price point. It’s all user preference and what they prefer, but I’ll say for sure that the features and performance of the scope so far have been worth it, especially for the price point. It’s definitely harder and harder to put money down on leisure items with costs of every day life going up, so I find this optic was a good option for still remaining budget conscious as compared to its competition! Hope you enjoy some of the other content on the channel and happy shooting!
The occluded aiming concept you discussed is the reason I have lens covers on all of my LPVO and a few of my red dots. I even have a GG&G set on my Eotech XPS3. I do this for two reasons. For the LPVO, it's actually less distracting to use it at close range with a lens cap on if you don't have an alternate optic/sight. Secondly, I use a lens cap on my red dots and the holographic for no-light use. The lens cover allows you to use less illumination for a crisper reticle pattern and it blocks reflected light from weapon lights washing out your optic. As weapon lights continue to get brighter, it increases the amount of reflected light coming back at you during room clearing. Without something to prevent optic washout, you'd have to run your optic at a much higher setting. This greatly reduces battery life as most life estimates are based on moderate settings. I'm a weapons instructor for my agency and specialize in low-light tactics, particularly the equipment. I've been messing with weapon lights and optics since they were introduced to patrol use. People need to get their heads out of their optics and concentrate more on their surroundings. Great review. I've been looking at this optic and was happy to find your channel.
Great points made indeed! Yeah the occluded optic concept blew my mind when we put it into practice in our RDS transition school. It forces you to focus on the target and not get sucked in to your optic. Glad I learned it and was smart enough to apply it to LPVO’s. I like the point you made with the lens caps on the holographic sights for no light use. Didn’t think about the weapon light washing out the reticle! Glad you found the channel. Thanks for watching!
18oz is really not bad for a 1-10 optic. I would worry a bit about the build quality and ruggedness because of the light weight at this price point. That being said, nobody should be expecting bombproof durability for a $500 1-10 lpvo. Most gun accessories are a balance between price point, feature set and durability. Generally you can only have 2 out of 3.
Yeah man it’s getting out of hand to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, I love super high quality optics that cost a pretty penny. But that’s the issue, I can’t always afford that with all of my other obligations in life. The reality is that even the “budget” optics are about 10x more reliable than they were 20 years ago and will absolutely do the job. Too many people are buying things they can’t afford simply for Instagram clout. It’s absurd. Sometimes I just can’t afford something and my money is better spent elsewhere! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review , I went with the 1-6 on my new P415 edge. Haven’t shot it yet , waiting for this icy weather to clear up. As long as you know the limitations ahead of time you’ll be fine , not all of us can drop $2k in a scope plus mount. The fact Sig include a mount with the torque specs is really cool. A they back their stuff, I have an M400 tread and a P365. Both reliable . Thanks again, stay safe
Thanks for leaving a comment! Yup, definitely a great scope with good features. I think the scope mounts should come with all LPVO’s! It’s a nice convenient touch!
There’s a few people that have commented about putting this or the 1-6 on the 716 tread! I’ll have to check that rifle out someday! Thanks for watching!
Great content! Got the scope yesterday and will be mounting it on an old S&W M&P 10 in .308 with an 18"bbl. Had a Leupold Patrol 1.25x4. Worked well for a decade but the 1.25 was difficult on my older eyes. I need a true 1x. I am looking forward to the 1x10 and that should up my performance. I spoke with you awhile back on the Benelli m4. Keep the content flowing, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome! The scope has been great for me! The eyebox is a bit tight at 10x, but with practice you’ll get it down. I’ve been pleased with its performance so far! Yup, I remember! Thanks for sticking around! More content will be dropping soon👍
Great review, I picked up the 1-10 about a year ago and was looking for info on the BDC zero and saw a lot of people talking bad about it and was thinking after all the shooting and hunting I’ve done with it, I thought to myself have you even mounted and used it in real world stuff lol, I guess not. Great review man
Thanks man! Yeah I’ve learned over the years that too many people want to talk crap, but don’t have any personal experience with the item to back up their claims. Sure it isn’t a vortex 1-10, but man I’ve definitely gotten my money’s worth with it. Hell, I’m going hog hunting with it again in a few weeks. Probably gonna drop an update video with that footage!
Solid review and one of first on this optic. Also, good words of wisdom on application and "budget" options. Some people are only buying products purely based on brand and cost not functionality.
Glad you liked the video! Yeah man, I get wanting the new and high end stuff. It’s flashy and who doesn’t want the best of the best? But we all just need to remember that there’s dude’s who have been hunting big game for 40 years of their life with the same Remington 700 and 3-9x bushnell scope.. and it all seems to work perfectly🤷🏻♂️
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems2k to 2.5k for high end vcog vs 500-700? You could buy thousands of ammo for the difference. People dont factor that.. unless you got unlimited funds but then 10 yrs later that is out of date 😂.
@@xUSAFWolfman Facts, couldn’t have said it better. I Completely agree. And don’t get me wrong, the high end optics are truly a joy to shoot with. But man the extra ammo you can buy with the money saved will infinitely surpass the benefit of a crisper sight picture. More ammo = More Practice. More Practice = Better Shooter.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems and no ammo = paper weight with a 3k rifle and 2k optic.. if rich go nuts but avg joe.. why? Most people wont even realize .5 moa difference because ammo is expensive and dont shoot since all spent on gear lol
I like it. My experience with anything Sig Sauer is that they don’t make junk! I bought a sig sauer Romeo 7 red dot and i had it zeroed in no time! I’m getting this 1-10 for my Windham SRC .308. Your right! People bash this scope that don’t know anything about it. I’m getting it! Good video!
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it informative. For further reassurance, this scope is still kicking butt to this day. Hasn’t lost zero with the abuse I’ve put it through and continues to take wild game👍
These Sig LPVO's recently dropped in prices, the 1x6 and the 1x10. I bought them for hog hunting and the 1x6 has performed really good at 100 yards +. I use 6.5 Grendel for just about everything and I have had no problem with using the reticle (200 yards max so far). Really easy at that distance. I have not used the 1x10 for hunting yet but it has been awesome for range plinking. I may mount it on a 308 build in the future. Sig did a great job by including the mount and torque specs, Primary Arms and Vortex should take notice. It is like you said, this LPVO is not a $1,200 optic but it is sure fun and worth the money.
Cara, é um prazer que um brasileiro assistiu um dos meus vídeos! Eu morava em Santa Catarina por dois anos então tenho um amor por os brasileiros! Valeu mano! Espero que continue assistindo mais desses vídeos!👊
I picked up the 1-6 MSR about 2 months ago upgraded from a red dot and magnifier. Easily below 2 MOA consistently with 55gr 223. Absolutely love the 1-6. No doubt the best budget value out right now granted the mount is included!!
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш never tried the 1-6 but personally think the 1-8 strike eagle was a hot turd. So much so that I never wanted to try another budget LPVO unless it can pull what holosun did to the red dot game. The new PA Nova LPVO looks promising. We'll see in time.
Great review. I agree 100% with the tactical elitism statement. I've met tons of guys at classes with all the latest and greatest stuff but were completely lacking in the department that matters most and that training. The only time I pay big money for optics is on my long range bolt guns. Better glass quality to read wind and identify targets is a must past certain distances and even then you only need "good enough" to accomplish the intended task. I'm currently trying to get one of these in had so do a comparison video between this and the Swampfox 1-10.
Thanks for checking out the video. Yeah for sure. Don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong with having the latest and greatest and taking pride in having expensive stuff! But most people do not need them, and can’t justify the cost anyways.. yet they go in to debt or blow all of their money on the items all for the sake of being cool. Not to mention most people don’t take their guns to the range enough to justify needing expensive products. To each their own, this is America and you can buy whatever you want! But some people need to actually consider not blowing all of their money on expensive toys, and maybe focus on.. idk.. saving money, paying off your house, debt, other important things in life? I’d be interested to see your comparison!
Bought this today as an early birthday present for myself. I'll be putting it on my budget 5.56 RECCE rifle to replace the Sightmark red dot that is on there now. I've got 2 other rifles and a handgun with Sig optics on them and have been more than happy with their performance. I've never experienced any of the "elitist" optics and for my budget, most of Sig's optics are high end.
I know this is a while after posting but I’m wondering if the LPVO would clear a fixed front site? If not I’ll get a new gasblock but If I don’t need to replace it then I’d prefer not to
At lower magnifications or 1x it will be in your sight picture but as you increase the magnification you won’t see the front sight post anymore. I don’t have a rifle set up that way but I’ve used some just like that. I can’t give you a 100% confirmed answer though cuz it’s been a while since I’ve seen one of those set ups
I was not. On the night hunt, my dad sat next to me with a large red spotlight and illuminated it right before I took my shot. There was enough moonlight to see the hog there and after I was in position and ready he shined the light and I took a quick shot. From others that have hunted them at night without night vision, the red spotlight was what was recommended, as white light would scare them off. Unfortunately the camera footage does not show the red spot light illuminating the target
A neat little trick to show eye relief is shining a flashlight through the objective lens and moving you hand along the top of your stock. The “perfect spot” should be when the light is at the smallest point in reflection.
own this rifle and love it, i have the sig tango 6t on mine. i live in NH lots of heavy brush and thick forest So I'm not really shooting at things far far away a 1-6 is what works for me.
Nice review. I'm trying to decide between this one and the Swampfox 1-10. For what it is worth, Atibal has a 1-12x32 with an even smaller eye box and MSRP of $900.
Everybody has been talking about the swampfox. I’m gonna have to try that one out for myself to see what all the hype is about. I’ve had a little bit of experience with the Atibal 1-6 and 1-10. The glass is nice but I don’t have enough time behind them to have an opinion!
I've personally been able to check out both and the Sig is far superior in just about every aspect.... But for almost 300 bucks cheaper you can get the Sig 1-6x msr that has a much better 1x, much more forgiving eyebox, smaller / lighter package and more actual ballistic hold use with sfp at 6x. Anything that's sfp over 6x is extremely overkill and all previous benefits drop off significantly...... If your intended use is to prioritize shots well past 600 yards then I could see the use for this optic but at that point you're better off looking at "recce" type optics. For everything 600 yards and in the 1-6 version is more than adequate!
@Life with Rob That's a hell of a deal! How used is it? Also, where did you purchase it from? I'm all the time trying to find reliable sources for used product purchasing and it seems eBay is about the only trustworthy source.
Great review. I have one and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Sig. I also have a Vortex Razor 1-6 and it is definitely a much better optic but as you said it's also much more expensive. You are also correct that there is nothing one can do with the Razor that can't be done with the Sig. The biggest advantage to the Razor is the image quality is absolutely amazing and it's probably more durable. In the end, don't be a scope snob because the mid-priced scopes work just fine for the average hunter/shooter. As much as we would like to be most of us are not tier-one military special forces operators so relax and buy what you can afford.
Exactly! And yeah the Razor 1-6 has excellent glass, it’s truly a pleasure to look through! But exactly as a utility optic, this one has gone above and beyond for me. I’ve taken more animals since this video was released. Two more sheep using 10x at 100-114yds, and also a fox on the run at about 20 yards while quickly switching back to 1x. While better glass clarity is always appreciated, this optic will continue to be a work horse for me! The reality, and probably one of the most unpopular opinions, is that even through cheaper optics have become so feature rich and reliable that scope snobs are just looking for something about it to whine about. It’s a good problem to have in my opinion, being presented with so many different options with a variety of price points in mind!
I hunt hogs here in Texas where I live. I use a self-built Mega Arms Maten in 308 with an 18-inch JP Super Match barrel. I have a Sig Tango 6 3-18x44 on that rifle. I have killed dozens and dozens of hogs with that setup using a hand-loaded 130-grain Barnes TTSX at 2,900 FPS. I have tried several other rifles and scopes but always come back to the AR-10/Tango 6 combo for hogs. The only other rifle I really use at all for hunting is a 6.5 Grendel AR-15 with a Primary Arms GLX 4-16. I have the Sig 1-10 MSR on a Christenson Arms Recon in 5.56 which I don't use for hunting because I don't like 5.56 for hunting due to its poor performance on game. I wouldn't think twice about using the Sig 1-10 on my AR-10 for hunting though. I'm sure it would do the job very well just as it does for you. Best wishes and good hunting.@@SabertoothDefenseSystems
@@bigjimmy6690 Awesome! With all that being said, I’m working on a 6.5 Grendel build as we speak and plan on testing it on hogs, sheep and deer. What’s your experience been with that cartridge if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve heard really good things all over the Internet! Trying to get as many opinions as possible
My results have been very good so far. I have an 18-inch Rainier Arms Ultra Match barrel and shoot hand loaded 100-grain Barnes TTSX bullets running 2,800 FPS. I haven't shot nearly as many hogs with the Grendel as with the 308, but still several without issue. I also shot a huge 300-plus pound 31-inch Aoudad that I came across while hog hunting with the Grendel. It was at about 150 yards quartering away from me. I put the shot back from the shoulder angled for the front of the opposite shoulder. He squatted hard on impact and took off running, but not very well. He dropped dead about 75 yards from where he was shot. Aoudad are very tough and known for being difficult to bring down, but that little 100-grain 6.5 did the job. That pretty much solidified my trust in the Grendel on game at reasonable ranges. I think you will like the Grendel for hunting. It's a much lighter package than the AR-10 yet has enough power for most medium game.
@@bigjimmy6690Congrats on the Aoudad! Great shot and impressive results! Yeah my AR10 is my go-to hog slayer but want to try something a bit lighter so the 6.5 grendel seems like the ticket to do so. I’ll give the caliber a whirl! Thanks!
Good detailed review! I found the 1x eyebox on mine is really pretty good, though definitely tight at 10. How was the clarity at 10x on yours at distance, 250 to 500 yards away. Mine seems a bit blurry past 200. I wonder if thats due to the parallax setting most likely at 150 or 100.
I own this scope as well as the new PA 1-10x. They are both the same size and weight, both 34mm tubes and similar reticles. The PA blows this Sig scope away at roughly the same price. The PA is on my AR308 and the Sig sits in its box. This scope looks nice and seems like it's built right, but the one thing not many people who give these reviews talks about is the image quality of the glass BEYOND a 100 yds on 10x and is not very good. When you get out past 200 and beyond it gets worse. Because it doesn't have parallax adjustment you have to adjust the ocular eyepiece at the rear to get your target in focus and when you do that it messes with the clarity of the reticle. And for those who need reminding these SFP scopes have to be on 10x (or their highest magnification) in order for the bdc, windholds, and range estimations to work. The first Sig 1-10x I bought I ended up sending in to Sig and they admitted that the parallax was off and the focus wasn't working and sent me a replacement. The replacement was still having the same issues with the focus on targets at distance, that one was also sent back but was declared within specs and sent back to me. So be aware that these Sig scopes are not all they're cracked up to be especially if you intend to use them at distances beyond a couple hundred yards.
@@racefan2267 It's the SLx SFP w/Raptor M10S reticle (model #610157). This reticle works PERFECT for the 308 I have it on while using 155's or 168's. It also works PERFECT for 223/556 using 69 or 75/77 gns. The glass is nicer without the loss of focus @ 10x that you get w/ the SIG. Overall the scope is hands down better and the reticle IMO is the best one they've come up with yet. Don't let the fact that it's SFP fool you into thinking it's not up to par. If I could afford it I would be putting this scope on a lot more of my AR's.
I just ordered this optic for my ar15,I have watched and read nothing but good reviews on it. Im also an az resident 👍 but I am in Tucson and I would guess you are in phoenix?
The only thing that I see a problem with is that it’s a second focal plane reticle so the windage and elevation aren’t going to match as you zoom in and out. Check out the Primary Arms 1-10 LPVO in a first focal plane. For the same price you can get a more advanced reticle for $400. It has windage and elevation, has a holdover mark for someone or something running, and it has a ranging tool in the reticle that you can hold at the feet of an average size man and it will tell you how far they are. For the money it seems like Primary Arms optics far exceed their price point.
How is the brightness of the scope? Not the reticle. How does it transmit light in low light situations? Building a custom 308 16inch bolt gun for hunting. Looking for something light with decent glass.
Great question. It doesn’t feel like looking through a toilet paper roll where the light transmission sucks and it’s all dark. While spotting with it at dusk and early dawn before the in comes up I can still see everything through my scope no problem. It doesn’t have cloudy glass, so you should be just fine in low light like I was. I shot a pig completely in the dark with it if that helps🤷🏻♂️
@@mikesciandra9265 Good stuff! Yeah it worked great for me when it came to hunting! The highest I had it dialed when I took my shots was 5x but my furthest shot was 70yds. It’s a great scope. As long as you do a decent amount of target practice and train to get a good position behind the tight eyebox at 10x, you’ll really like the scope! I’m glad I took the chance and picked it up!
The LPVO mount that comes with the MSR 1-10 doesn’t mount a red dot. I have a Reptilia LPVO AUS mount on my Colt EPR. That one mounts a red dot. Hope that helps
Not yet. I had plans to make it sooner but had some hang ups. Eventually I will. If you check the comments some people have referenced certain phone apps that have the reticle that you can plug in your ammo type and zero and it will apparently give you holds.
Is this a FFP or a SFP optic? sig sells 2 different versions, I really want to see how much the reticle is magnified at 10x to see if it's actually usable.
It does not. You will need to get something like the StrelokPro App to put in your ballistic information to get holds. That app has this reticle that you can use to put in your info
I have t had a chance to mess with the 1-8x, but I imagine the quality is the exact same, only differing in magnification level! Go with whatever fits your budget the best. It’s nice to have 10x, but isn’t necessary! Thanks for watching!
So far it’s been a solid optic. Granted you definitely get better glass with more expensive optics, but for what it is and the price point it’s been a great optic
Depends on how you zero it and what ammunition you’re using. There are smartphone apps where you can plug in all your data and get hold overs. Check out Brass Facts’s channel. He goes over this.
Bro i got a pa10 on sale jusr because it was like a lil less than 600 for the rifle. I usually only mess around with red dots and magnifiers. But i wanted something on this thing so i asked me buddy at the shop and he said. Bro you want this scope. FFP and cheap compared to the others once you factor in the mount. Strapping it on today, wish me luck.
It's weird how much more exspensive the 1-10msr is from the 1-6msr. Thank goodness I was able to check out the 1-10 next to the 1-6 before making a purchase. The 1x on the 1-6 is vastly superior to the 1x on the 10.... The 10x has a horrible eyebox compared to the 6 as well and the brightness on the 6 is brighter BUT this also could be a battery issue in the 10x. I'm sure it's been used alot in the shop I got to check it out in. I would maybe consider the 10 if it was ffp, then I could get behind the 500-650 price tag. For the 556 cartridge the 10x is overkill for being forced to use for all the holds to work.
Well if you compare the price of the 1-10x MSR to other 1-10x options like vortex and Eotech it would make sense which is what they were going for most likely. Brass Facts has a good video on the eyebox issues with 1-10x optics, it’s just kind of the nature of the beast when you’re trying to cram that amount of capability into an LPVO. Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems Absolutely! I love brass facts channel and you explained it perfectly in the video as well as explaining what to expect from a budget package. I was more comparing the two options from one another. Your hog hunt alone pretty much paid for the entire cost of the scope anyways
It’s entitlement, people expect to get top tier quality for dirt cheap and then cry about when something top tier quality is also top tier price🤦♂️ it’s great optic for what it is!
Yeah I see a ton of bad press on this optic and a ton of good press … on UA-cam .. it’s idiotic I canceled my vortex strike Eagle order because I’ve waited 4 weeks for backorder and was told it would still be another 3 plus weeks before shipping so I canceled and picked up this one .. can’t wait to take it to the range! But yeah tired of all the UA-camrs going well it’s 600 bucks and it’s crap
Yeah I totally get it. I think people forget that you can still be very effective with Iron sights, so why not with a budget optic🤷🏻♂️2 years later and this scope is still solid. Sure there’s a big difference between glass of expensive optics and affordable ones like this, but is it NEEDED? For most cases it doesn’t matter. As an example there are people that have been hunting for YEARS with the same Winchester Model 70 with a Burris scope made back in the late 80’s and still taking game effectively. Point being: Know your equipment, it’s limitations and it’s strengths and use it accordingly! I’m all about utilitarianism. If the scope straight up sucks and is unusable, or even breaks right out of the box.. yeah I’ll let anyone know. But this hasn’t done it, and the features have served me very well! Hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
Great question. The original plan was to make the video and explain the holds, but I’ve learned since then that they didn’t include that info on purpose. In actuality it wouldn’t matter because it’s entirely ammunition dependent. For example the holds worked with one type of ammo I had, but didn’t match up with other types of ammo. Best thing to do is load the reticle and ammunition data into a ballistic app. It will then give you approximate holds. The StrelokPro App is awesome for this and has hundreds of loads and reticles, including this one. So yeah, unfortunately that’s why the video wasn’t made.
Great glass quality and good magnification...but, I am leaning more towards the Swampfox 1-10 and even $100 less for the PA SLX 1-8 24ffp now that it has a discount. For both 5.56 and 308(out to 300yards), the raptor reticle has the information and BDC holds and they are spot on for 55gr. The Sig is great but they really need 4,6,8 and raning info.
Are you able to say how this stacks up to the Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10x24? I have one and like it, quite a bit. The eyebox is really pretty tight, but still very useful. The thing I prefer over the MSR models are that Swampfox offers a MIL reticle, which I prefer, though for an LPVO, it's not as important as say a higher magnification scope. Thanks for the review and I've got one coming to try out!
Nope I don’t know how it compares to the swampfox, and you’re not the first that has asked haha! Apparently that’s a very popular 1-10x option! I might have to test one out myself some day! Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I live in Brazil and recently we are now able to get authorization to buy 556, 762 and 308 rifles due to a right wing president. It's a brand new world to us here. All knowledge about those guns and its accessories are coming from channels like yours. Keep the good work.
@@il2csichannel298 Legal! Cara, quero que saiba que eu morava no Brasil for dois anos, e eu sinto muito falta dos brasileiros! Eu tava lá 2015-2017 e Bolsonaro não era presidente já, mas eu me lembrei que não pudia ter armas de fogo. Mas que coisa boa, de ouvir que pode ter rifles de novo! Parabéns!! Espero que essas vídeos te ajudam mesmo! Valeu!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems que legal!! Mais um motivo para seguir o canal. Se você conseguir fazer os vídeos em português também vai conseguir muitos seguidores no Brasil. Aqui não tem como fazer um canal nesse nível porque não teríamos acesso a esses equipamentos.
@@il2csichannel298 Faz sentido! Tem pensado em fazer os vídeos em português, mas acho que isso vai ser realidade logo mesmo. Se tenha paciência, eventualmente vou fazer vídeos em português!👊🇧🇷
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Nice even-handed everyman review. I really appreciate homegrown content like this.
Thanks! Glad you liked it! As much as I love super expensive gear.. realistically I can’t just go and drop all that money due to other expenses in life! But man, this scope has paid for itself in the amount of use I’ve gotten out of it. Just went hunting with it again this week and tagged a painted desert sheep, Iranian red sheep and more hogs! Update video will definitely be posted!
First video of yours I’ve seen. To the point, honest and objective. Just subscribed.
Thanks, I appreciate it! Glad you found the content useful! More in the works
I'm a somewhat noob to guns, especially rifles. Just got my first. A Sig 716i. I had no clue about scopes but wanted one. I said to the guy in the gun store I want a Sig. He pulled out the one you review here, the price was right and he installed it. I've now been to the range and put about 100 rounds through it. My first experience with a scope. It worked very well. Absolutely no complaints. I am guilty of believing the more you spend the more you get. But the rifle alone was 1700. I'd be hardpressed to spend more on a scope. Excellent video. Subbed. ty.
Thanks for the sub! Glad you found it helpful! Don’t get me wrong, the expensive optics are pricey for a reason. They are awesome to use. But I’m a firm believer that you hit a point of diminishing returns after a certain price point. It’s all user preference and what they prefer, but I’ll say for sure that the features and performance of the scope so far have been worth it, especially for the price point. It’s definitely harder and harder to put money down on leisure items with costs of every day life going up, so I find this optic was a good option for still remaining budget conscious as compared to its competition! Hope you enjoy some of the other content on the channel and happy shooting!
The occluded aiming concept you discussed is the reason I have lens covers on all of my LPVO and a few of my red dots. I even have a GG&G set on my Eotech XPS3. I do this for two reasons. For the LPVO, it's actually less distracting to use it at close range with a lens cap on if you don't have an alternate optic/sight. Secondly, I use a lens cap on my red dots and the holographic for no-light use. The lens cover allows you to use less illumination for a crisper reticle pattern and it blocks reflected light from weapon lights washing out your optic. As weapon lights continue to get brighter, it increases the amount of reflected light coming back at you during room clearing. Without something to prevent optic washout, you'd have to run your optic at a much higher setting. This greatly reduces battery life as most life estimates are based on moderate settings. I'm a weapons instructor for my agency and specialize in low-light tactics, particularly the equipment. I've been messing with weapon lights and optics since they were introduced to patrol use. People need to get their heads out of their optics and concentrate more on their surroundings. Great review. I've been looking at this optic and was happy to find your channel.
Great points made indeed! Yeah the occluded optic concept blew my mind when we put it into practice in our RDS transition school. It forces you to focus on the target and not get sucked in to your optic. Glad I learned it and was smart enough to apply it to LPVO’s. I like the point you made with the lens caps on the holographic sights for no light use. Didn’t think about the weapon light washing out the reticle! Glad you found the channel. Thanks for watching!
Nice Honest review man and the first one on UA-cam great job man keep up the work ready for the video
Thanks for watching and glad you liked it!
Thanks for reviewing this one. This was a tremendous help for people on the fence, good job.
Thanks for watching! I’m glad the video helped out!
18oz is really not bad for a 1-10 optic. I would worry a bit about the build quality and ruggedness because of the light weight at this price point. That being said, nobody should be expecting bombproof durability for a $500 1-10 lpvo. Most gun accessories are a balance between price point, feature set and durability. Generally you can only have 2 out of 3.
I misspoke. Check out the video, it has the corrected weight around 21-25 oz with the mount.
Man, so glad you discussed the ridiculous expectations and comparisons that people make about more budget friendly gear.
Yeah man it’s getting out of hand to be honest. Don’t get me wrong, I love super high quality optics that cost a pretty penny. But that’s the issue, I can’t always afford that with all of my other obligations in life. The reality is that even the “budget” optics are about 10x more reliable than they were 20 years ago and will absolutely do the job. Too many people are buying things they can’t afford simply for Instagram clout. It’s absurd. Sometimes I just can’t afford something and my money is better spent elsewhere! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review , I went with the 1-6 on my new P415 edge. Haven’t shot it yet , waiting for this icy weather to clear up. As long as you know the limitations ahead of time you’ll be fine , not all of us can drop $2k in a scope plus mount. The fact Sig include a mount with the torque specs is really cool. A they back their stuff, I have an M400 tread and a P365. Both reliable . Thanks again, stay safe
Thanks for leaving a comment! Yup, definitely a great scope with good features. I think the scope mounts should come with all LPVO’s! It’s a nice convenient touch!
Liked your review on this optic👍 I plan to purchase this optic for my Sig 716 Tread rifle. Liked & subscribed. Looking forward to part II.🤙
There’s a few people that have commented about putting this or the 1-6 on the 716 tread! I’ll have to check that rifle out someday! Thanks for watching!
This was a Great review, I just purchased this same optic and I couldn’t be happier with the performance. Thanks for the candid review.
Thanks for watching! Glad you like the scope! I’m glad I picked one up!
I just discovered your channel. Your videos are fantastic. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to watching more!
Thanks for watching the video, glad you like the video! More to come!
Great content! Got the scope yesterday and will be mounting it on an old S&W M&P 10 in .308 with an 18"bbl. Had a Leupold Patrol 1.25x4. Worked well for a decade but the 1.25 was difficult on my older eyes. I need a true 1x.
I am looking forward to the 1x10 and that should up my performance.
I spoke with you awhile back on the Benelli m4.
Keep the content flowing, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome! The scope has been great for me! The eyebox is a bit tight at 10x, but with practice you’ll get it down. I’ve been pleased with its performance so far! Yup, I remember! Thanks for sticking around! More content will be dropping soon👍
Can't wait!!!! Keep your strength and courage up as these are different and troubling times for LEOs
Thanks for the heads up I just ordered one in coyote brown !
Awesome! Hope you like it!
Great review, I picked up the 1-10 about a year ago and was looking for info on the BDC zero and saw a lot of people talking bad about it and was thinking after all the shooting and hunting I’ve done with it, I thought to myself have you even mounted and used it in real world stuff lol, I guess not. Great review man
Thanks man! Yeah I’ve learned over the years that too many people want to talk crap, but don’t have any personal experience with the item to back up their claims. Sure it isn’t a vortex 1-10, but man I’ve definitely gotten my money’s worth with it. Hell, I’m going hog hunting with it again in a few weeks. Probably gonna drop an update video with that footage!
Solid review and one of first on this optic. Also, good words of wisdom on application and "budget" options. Some people are only buying products purely based on brand and cost not functionality.
Glad you liked the video! Yeah man, I get wanting the new and high end stuff. It’s flashy and who doesn’t want the best of the best? But we all just need to remember that there’s dude’s who have been hunting big game for 40 years of their life with the same Remington 700 and 3-9x bushnell scope.. and it all seems to work perfectly🤷🏻♂️
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems facts. Plus technology and durability of today, products are almost the same.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems2k to 2.5k for high end vcog vs 500-700? You could buy thousands of ammo for the difference. People dont factor that.. unless you got unlimited funds but then 10 yrs later that is out of date 😂.
@@xUSAFWolfman Facts, couldn’t have said it better. I Completely agree. And don’t get me wrong, the high end optics are truly a joy to shoot with. But man the extra ammo you can buy with the money saved will infinitely surpass the benefit of a crisper sight picture. More ammo = More Practice. More Practice = Better Shooter.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems and no ammo = paper weight with a 3k rifle and 2k optic.. if rich go nuts but avg joe.. why? Most people wont even realize .5 moa difference because ammo is expensive and dont shoot since all spent on gear lol
I like it. My experience with anything Sig Sauer is that they don’t make junk! I bought a sig sauer Romeo 7 red dot and i had it zeroed in no time! I’m getting this 1-10 for my Windham SRC .308. Your right! People bash this scope that don’t know anything about it. I’m getting it! Good video!
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it informative. For further reassurance, this scope is still kicking butt to this day. Hasn’t lost zero with the abuse I’ve put it through and continues to take wild game👍
These Sig LPVO's recently dropped in prices, the 1x6 and the 1x10. I bought them for hog hunting and the 1x6 has performed really good at 100 yards +.
I use 6.5 Grendel for just about everything and I have had no problem with using the reticle (200 yards max so far). Really easy at that distance.
I have not used the 1x10 for hunting yet but it has been awesome for range plinking. I may mount it on a 308 build in the future.
Sig did a great job by including the mount and torque specs, Primary Arms and Vortex should take notice.
It is like you said, this LPVO is not a $1,200 optic but it is sure fun and worth the money.
Couldn’t agree more on including the mount and torque specs, that’s a big win in my eyes! Glad the scopes are working well for you too🤘
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems GTG!
Excelent review, not a mere tecnical description but a real life and practical use of the scope. Greets from Brazil and thanks a lot.
Cara, é um prazer que um brasileiro assistiu um dos meus vídeos! Eu morava em Santa Catarina por dois anos então tenho um amor por os brasileiros! Valeu mano! Espero que continue assistindo mais desses vídeos!👊
I picked up the 1-6 MSR about 2 months ago upgraded from a red dot and magnifier. Easily below 2 MOA consistently with 55gr 223. Absolutely love the 1-6. No doubt the best budget value out right now granted the mount is included!!
Awesome to hear. Absolutely the mount included really helps to seal the deal! Thanks for watching!
I think the vortex strike eagle is better personally but both are good
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш never tried the 1-6 but personally think the 1-8 strike eagle was a hot turd. So much so that I never wanted to try another budget LPVO unless it can pull what holosun did to the red dot game. The new PA Nova LPVO looks promising. We'll see in time.
Great review. I agree 100% with the tactical elitism statement. I've met tons of guys at classes with all the latest and greatest stuff but were completely lacking in the department that matters most and that training. The only time I pay big money for optics is on my long range bolt guns. Better glass quality to read wind and identify targets is a must past certain distances and even then you only need "good enough" to accomplish the intended task. I'm currently trying to get one of these in had so do a comparison video between this and the Swampfox 1-10.
Thanks for checking out the video. Yeah for sure. Don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong with having the latest and greatest and taking pride in having expensive stuff! But most people do not need them, and can’t justify the cost anyways.. yet they go in to debt or blow all of their money on the items all for the sake of being cool. Not to mention most people don’t take their guns to the range enough to justify needing expensive products. To each their own, this is America and you can buy whatever you want! But some people need to actually consider not blowing all of their money on expensive toys, and maybe focus on.. idk.. saving money, paying off your house, debt, other important things in life? I’d be interested to see your comparison!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems completely agree.
Bought this today as an early birthday present for myself. I'll be putting it on my budget 5.56 RECCE rifle to replace the Sightmark red dot that is on there now. I've got 2 other rifles and a handgun with Sig optics on them and have been more than happy with their performance. I've never experienced any of the "elitist" optics and for my budget, most of Sig's optics are high end.
Good for you! I too have had great experiences with the few sig optics I have used and have put them to pretty hard use as well! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for an awesome review. Look forward to getting one of these to out on top of an 8.6 Blackout build as soon as those barrels come out!!
Dude! I’m on the 8.6 blackout train too, super stoked to see how that turns out and I’m going to pair this scope with it as well! Thanks for watching!
@E maybe less recoil then 450 bushmaster and 458 Socom😂
I know this is a while after posting but I’m wondering if the LPVO would clear a fixed front site? If not I’ll get a new gasblock but If I don’t need to replace it then I’d prefer not to
At lower magnifications or 1x it will be in your sight picture but as you increase the magnification you won’t see the front sight post anymore. I don’t have a rifle set up that way but I’ve used some just like that. I can’t give you a 100% confirmed answer though cuz it’s been a while since I’ve seen one of those set ups
were you hunting with some sort of weapon mounted light during the hog hunt?
I was not. On the night hunt, my dad sat next to me with a large red spotlight and illuminated it right before I took my shot. There was enough moonlight to see the hog there and after I was in position and ready he shined the light and I took a quick shot. From others that have hunted them at night without night vision, the red spotlight was what was recommended, as white light would scare them off. Unfortunately the camera footage does not show the red spot light illuminating the target
Excellent review bro 👏 👌!!
Thanks!
A neat little trick to show eye relief is shining a flashlight through the objective lens and moving you hand along the top of your stock. The “perfect spot” should be when the light is at the smallest point in reflection.
Huh! Never heard that one, I’ll have to give that a try! Thanks!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems an old fudd once taught me that trick, he quickly lost my attention after the .30-06 tirade he went on😂
@@loganbrowne713 LOL!! I feel your pain😂
Great video thanks for a honest review!
Thanks for checking it out!
own this rifle and love it, i have the sig tango 6t on mine. i live in NH lots of heavy brush and thick forest So I'm not really shooting at things far far away a 1-6 is what works for me.
Nice, glad you like both! It’s a good platform for the money!
Thanks for the detailed review, where did you buy yours?
Actually bought it from PSA’s website!
Nice review. I'm trying to decide between this one and the Swampfox 1-10.
For what it is worth, Atibal has a 1-12x32 with an even smaller eye box and MSRP of $900.
Everybody has been talking about the swampfox. I’m gonna have to try that one out for myself to see what all the hype is about. I’ve had a little bit of experience with the Atibal 1-6 and 1-10. The glass is nice but I don’t have enough time behind them to have an opinion!
I've personally been able to check out both and the Sig is far superior in just about every aspect.... But for almost 300 bucks cheaper you can get the Sig 1-6x msr that has a much better 1x, much more forgiving eyebox, smaller / lighter package and more actual ballistic hold use with sfp at 6x. Anything that's sfp over 6x is extremely overkill and all previous benefits drop off significantly...... If your intended use is to prioritize shots well past 600 yards then I could see the use for this optic but at that point you're better off looking at "recce" type optics. For everything 600 yards and in the 1-6 version is more than adequate!
@Life with Rob That's a hell of a deal! How used is it? Also, where did you purchase it from? I'm all the time trying to find reliable sources for used product purchasing and it seems eBay is about the only trustworthy source.
Great review. I have one and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Sig. I also have a Vortex Razor 1-6 and it is definitely a much better optic but as you said it's also much more expensive. You are also correct that there is nothing one can do with the Razor that can't be done with the Sig. The biggest advantage to the Razor is the image quality is absolutely amazing and it's probably more durable. In the end, don't be a scope snob because the mid-priced scopes work just fine for the average hunter/shooter. As much as we would like to be most of us are not tier-one military special forces operators so relax and buy what you can afford.
Exactly! And yeah the Razor 1-6 has excellent glass, it’s truly a pleasure to look through! But exactly as a utility optic, this one has gone above and beyond for me. I’ve taken more animals since this video was released. Two more sheep using 10x at 100-114yds, and also a fox on the run at about 20 yards while quickly switching back to 1x. While better glass clarity is always appreciated, this optic will continue to be a work horse for me! The reality, and probably one of the most unpopular opinions, is that even through cheaper optics have become so feature rich and reliable that scope snobs are just looking for something about it to whine about. It’s a good problem to have in my opinion, being presented with so many different options with a variety of price points in mind!
I hunt hogs here in Texas where I live. I use a self-built Mega Arms Maten in 308 with an 18-inch JP Super Match barrel. I have a Sig Tango 6 3-18x44 on that rifle. I have killed dozens and dozens of hogs with that setup using a hand-loaded 130-grain Barnes TTSX at 2,900 FPS. I have tried several other rifles and scopes but always come back to the AR-10/Tango 6 combo for hogs. The only other rifle I really use at all for hunting is a 6.5 Grendel AR-15 with a Primary Arms GLX 4-16.
I have the Sig 1-10 MSR on a Christenson Arms Recon in 5.56 which I don't use for hunting because I don't like 5.56 for hunting due to its poor performance on game. I wouldn't think twice about using the Sig 1-10 on my AR-10 for hunting though. I'm sure it would do the job very well just as it does for you. Best wishes and good hunting.@@SabertoothDefenseSystems
@@bigjimmy6690 Awesome! With all that being said, I’m working on a 6.5 Grendel build as we speak and plan on testing it on hogs, sheep and deer. What’s your experience been with that cartridge if you don’t mind me asking? I’ve heard really good things all over the Internet! Trying to get as many opinions as possible
My results have been very good so far. I have an 18-inch Rainier Arms Ultra Match barrel and shoot hand loaded 100-grain Barnes TTSX bullets running 2,800 FPS. I haven't shot nearly as many hogs with the Grendel as with the 308, but still several without issue. I also shot a huge 300-plus pound 31-inch Aoudad that I came across while hog hunting with the Grendel. It was at about 150 yards quartering away from me. I put the shot back from the shoulder angled for the front of the opposite shoulder. He squatted hard on impact and took off running, but not very well. He dropped dead about 75 yards from where he was shot. Aoudad are very tough and known for being difficult to bring down, but that little 100-grain 6.5 did the job. That pretty much solidified my trust in the Grendel on game at reasonable ranges. I think you will like the Grendel for hunting. It's a much lighter package than the AR-10 yet has enough power for most medium game.
@@bigjimmy6690Congrats on the Aoudad! Great shot and impressive results! Yeah my AR10 is my go-to hog slayer but want to try something a bit lighter so the 6.5 grendel seems like the ticket to do so. I’ll give the caliber a whirl! Thanks!
Good detailed review! I found the 1x eyebox on mine is really pretty good, though definitely tight at 10. How was the clarity at 10x on yours at distance, 250 to 500 yards away. Mine seems a bit blurry past 200. I wonder if thats due to the parallax setting most likely at 150 or 100.
Good question. I found the clarity to be still fairly clear at around 200-250 but starts to get a tad blurry at 300. Thanks for watching!
I own this scope as well as the new PA 1-10x. They are both the same size and weight, both 34mm tubes and similar reticles. The PA blows this Sig scope away at roughly the same price. The PA is on my AR308 and the Sig sits in its box. This scope looks nice and seems like it's built right, but the one thing not many people who give these reviews talks about is the image quality of the glass BEYOND a 100 yds on 10x and is not very good. When you get out past 200 and beyond it gets worse. Because it doesn't have parallax adjustment you have to adjust the ocular eyepiece at the rear to get your target in focus and when you do that it messes with the clarity of the reticle. And for those who need reminding these SFP scopes have to be on 10x (or their highest magnification) in order for the bdc, windholds, and range estimations to work. The first Sig 1-10x I bought I ended up sending in to Sig and they admitted that the parallax was off and the focus wasn't working and sent me a replacement. The replacement was still having the same issues with the focus on targets at distance, that one was also sent back but was declared within specs and sent back to me. So be aware that these Sig scopes are not all they're cracked up to be especially if you intend to use them at distances beyond a couple hundred yards.
Thanks for the information!
What is the specific model PA 1-10x you are using?
@@racefan2267 It's the SLx SFP w/Raptor M10S reticle (model #610157). This reticle works PERFECT for the 308 I have it on while using 155's or 168's. It also works PERFECT for 223/556 using 69 or 75/77 gns. The glass is nicer without the loss of focus @ 10x that you get w/ the SIG. Overall the scope is hands down better and the reticle IMO is the best one they've come up with yet. Don't let the fact that it's SFP fool you into thinking it's not up to par. If I could afford it I would be putting this scope on a lot more of my AR's.
I just ordered this optic for my ar15,I have watched and read nothing but good reviews on it. Im also an az resident 👍 but I am in Tucson and I would guess you are in phoenix?
Yup, Phoenix!
Where did you get your Vortex Viper 1-6x ? Like that better than the Sig . Thanks
Plenty of websites to choose from to find it. Even Amazon👍
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems ok found one . Thanks
The only thing that I see a problem with is that it’s a second focal plane reticle so the windage and elevation aren’t going to match as you zoom in and out. Check out the Primary Arms 1-10 LPVO in a first focal plane. For the same price you can get a more advanced reticle for $400. It has windage and elevation, has a holdover mark for someone or something running, and it has a ranging tool in the reticle that you can hold at the feet of an average size man and it will tell you how far they are. For the money it seems like Primary Arms optics far exceed their price point.
Definitely been on my radar!
Nice review, should be getting mine from Optics Planet on Wednesday!!! Thank you!!
Hope you like it! Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems Got it, Amazing scope!!
Great Review!!! Thanks 👍
Thanks for watching!
Great review and footage!
Thanks for watching!
Good review, appreciate ya
Thanks for watching dude!
Great review, thank you
Thanks for watching!
How is the brightness of the scope? Not the reticle. How does it transmit light in low light situations?
Building a custom 308 16inch bolt gun for hunting. Looking for something light with decent glass.
Great question. It doesn’t feel like looking through a toilet paper roll where the light transmission sucks and it’s all dark. While spotting with it at dusk and early dawn before the in comes up I can still see everything through my scope no problem. It doesn’t have cloudy glass, so you should be just fine in low light like I was. I shot a pig completely in the dark with it if that helps🤷🏻♂️
Thank for the fast reply.
If the Leopold I am eye balling falls through I will look into picking this up.
@@mikesciandra9265 Good stuff! Yeah it worked great for me when it came to hunting! The highest I had it dialed when I took my shots was 5x but my furthest shot was 70yds. It’s a great scope. As long as you do a decent amount of target practice and train to get a good position behind the tight eyebox at 10x, you’ll really like the scope! I’m glad I took the chance and picked it up!
What scope mount are you using that allows mounting of your red dot?
The LPVO mount that comes with the MSR 1-10 doesn’t mount a red dot. I have a Reptilia LPVO AUS mount on my Colt EPR. That one mounts a red dot. Hope that helps
Do you have an updated video with the information on the reticle with regards to 556 bullet drop at different distances?
Not yet. I had plans to make it sooner but had some hang ups. Eventually I will. If you check the comments some people have referenced certain phone apps that have the reticle that you can plug in your ammo type and zero and it will apparently give you holds.
Is this a FFP or a SFP optic? sig sells 2 different versions, I really want to see how much the reticle is magnified at 10x to see if it's actually usable.
This is SFP
Is the 21oz the weight of the scope itself, or with the mount? Thank you!
It’s the scope itself. It’s hefty haha!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems yeap, thanks a lot man!
Is that adjustment lever removable? I piggyback an RDS and it would definitely be in the way
Yes it is a threaded lever, so you can completely remove it if you don’t want it there!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems thanks! I asked before I got to that part in the video 😂
@@jrhrvy No worries! Happy to give you a spoiler lol👍
Did you ever find out if this reticle has a ranging feature built into the BDC?
It does not. You will need to get something like the StrelokPro App to put in your ballistic information to get holds. That app has this reticle that you can use to put in your info
Looking forward to the next video on this optic, recently purchased one and would like more info on the reticle.
You’ve got it man!
Thinking about getting this one or the 1-8 they offer. Not really sure which to go with yet
I have t had a chance to mess with the 1-8x, but I imagine the quality is the exact same, only differing in magnification level! Go with whatever fits your budget the best. It’s nice to have 10x, but isn’t necessary! Thanks for watching!
I was thinking about getting this for my future DMR/AR10 20" build that's why I'm here
So far it’s been a solid optic. Granted you definitely get better glass with more expensive optics, but for what it is and the price point it’s been a great optic
How do you read the reticle? I assume the first line is 200 yards?
Depends on how you zero it and what ammunition you’re using. There are smartphone apps where you can plug in all your data and get hold overs. Check out Brass Facts’s channel. He goes over this.
I grew up in Gonzales Tx. know that ranch well. There is an albino buck on that ranch
No kidding! Super cool!
Nice review and by the way that Blackbuck surprisingly originates from India not Africa.
Thanks! Oh wow, didn’t know that! You learn something everyday!
Is the reticle etched on? Ie if no battery can see the reticle?
Yup, etched reticle!
Great video!
Thanks for checking it out!
Well done!
Thank you!
Bro i got a pa10 on sale jusr because it was like a lil less than 600 for the rifle. I usually only mess around with red dots and magnifiers. But i wanted something on this thing so i asked me buddy at the shop and he said. Bro you want this scope. FFP and cheap compared to the others once you factor in the mount. Strapping it on today, wish me luck.
You’ll enjoy it! I got the SFP model which was before they even made this in the FFP model. That scope will do great for your rifle!
I don't think you want the magnification to move easily so it does not move if bumped.
Yeah, makes sense! Thanks for watching!
It's weird how much more exspensive the 1-10msr is from the 1-6msr. Thank goodness I was able to check out the 1-10 next to the 1-6 before making a purchase. The 1x on the 1-6 is vastly superior to the 1x on the 10.... The 10x has a horrible eyebox compared to the 6 as well and the brightness on the 6 is brighter BUT this also could be a battery issue in the 10x. I'm sure it's been used alot in the shop I got to check it out in. I would maybe consider the 10 if it was ffp, then I could get behind the 500-650 price tag. For the 556 cartridge the 10x is overkill for being forced to use for all the holds to work.
Well if you compare the price of the 1-10x MSR to other 1-10x options like vortex and Eotech it would make sense which is what they were going for most likely. Brass Facts has a good video on the eyebox issues with 1-10x optics, it’s just kind of the nature of the beast when you’re trying to cram that amount of capability into an LPVO. Thanks for watching!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems Absolutely! I love brass facts channel and you explained it perfectly in the video as well as explaining what to expect from a budget package. I was more comparing the two options from one another. Your hog hunt alone pretty much paid for the entire cost of the scope anyways
@@TerminalM193 Exactly, it sure did pay off. But interesting nonetheless, I haven’t tried out the 1-6x to compare! Thanks for commenting!
Ikr?!!??! I don't understand why people think this tango is going to compare to the nx8!!!😂 I paid 499 for this optic and it works great to beat on.
It’s entitlement, people expect to get top tier quality for dirt cheap and then cry about when something top tier quality is also top tier price🤦♂️ it’s great optic for what it is!
nice shot!!
Thanks! And thanks for checking out the video!
Yeah I see a ton of bad press on this optic and a ton of good press … on UA-cam .. it’s idiotic I canceled my vortex strike Eagle order because I’ve waited 4 weeks for backorder and was told it would still be another 3 plus weeks before shipping so I canceled and picked up this one .. can’t wait to take it to the range! But yeah tired of all the UA-camrs going well it’s 600 bucks and it’s crap
Yeah I totally get it. I think people forget that you can still be very effective with Iron sights, so why not with a budget optic🤷🏻♂️2 years later and this scope is still solid. Sure there’s a big difference between glass of expensive optics and affordable ones like this, but is it NEEDED? For most cases it doesn’t matter. As an example there are people that have been hunting for YEARS with the same Winchester Model 70 with a Burris scope made back in the late 80’s and still taking game effectively. Point being: Know your equipment, it’s limitations and it’s strengths and use it accordingly! I’m all about utilitarianism. If the scope straight up sucks and is unusable, or even breaks right out of the box.. yeah I’ll let anyone know. But this hasn’t done it, and the features have served me very well! Hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
Mine is going on a newly built M5 I just built in .308 so we shall see how it does!!
So sick with Primary Arms. Got it 👍😉
Haha! I’d like to try their stuff out sometime! I hear great things! Thanks for watching!
LVPO's are the way to go on an AR15, AR10, especially this optic!
I’m definitely a fan!
How is it at 1x? (And at 10x?) Thanks!
Gotta be more specific..
Where's the reticle DATA video?
Great question. The original plan was to make the video and explain the holds, but I’ve learned since then that they didn’t include that info on purpose. In actuality it wouldn’t matter because it’s entirely ammunition dependent. For example the holds worked with one type of ammo I had, but didn’t match up with other types of ammo. Best thing to do is load the reticle and ammunition data into a ballistic app. It will then give you approximate holds. The StrelokPro App is awesome for this and has hundreds of loads and reticles, including this one. So yeah, unfortunately that’s why the video wasn’t made.
Great glass quality and good magnification...but, I am leaning more towards the Swampfox 1-10 and even $100 less for the PA SLX 1-8 24ffp now that it has a discount. For both 5.56 and 308(out to 300yards), the raptor reticle has the information and BDC holds and they are spot on for 55gr. The Sig is great but they really need 4,6,8 and raning info.
Yet another person leaning towards the swamp-fox! I’m gonna have to test that one out myself!
is 5.56mm good for this job at the ranch?
The ranch requires you to shoot 62-64gr or higher to use 556/223 for pigs. Shot placement is key, but I’m sure the right load of 223 can do the job!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems how much does it cost to shoot there
@@jn3750 rates vary, check out their website
good review
Thanks for watching!
Can you ask a friend with a vortex strike eagle 1-8 to let you borrow for a review comparison
I’ll ask around, not sure if anybody has one! Are you referring to the new FFP version?
the reticle info is available from sig on PDF
Sweet! Go ahead and feel free to post a link in a comment and hopefully more people, such as myself can find it! Thanks for watching.
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I had to manually figure out the horizontal triangle leads from center. They are 11moa, 22moa and 33moa
Will this be good for hunting?
Did you watch the video?
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems is this good for hunting??
Is you going to be stupid and rude then why make UA-cam videos???
@@tiburonrojo1975 watch the video and you’ll get my opinion, yes it is.
Are you able to say how this stacks up to the Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10x24? I have one and like it, quite a bit. The eyebox is really pretty tight, but still very useful.
The thing I prefer over the MSR models are that Swampfox offers a MIL reticle, which I prefer, though for an LPVO, it's not as important as say a higher magnification scope.
Thanks for the review and I've got one coming to try out!
Nope I don’t know how it compares to the swampfox, and you’re not the first that has asked haha! Apparently that’s a very popular 1-10x option! I might have to test one out myself some day! Thanks for watching!
Thank you
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I think people become too dependent on technology. Plus there’s the keeping up with the Jones’ aspect so they can post pics on fb
Yup, those are always factors.
If it can handle a 308 recoil , I’m sure it’ll handle a 10mm , can’t wait to get it
Yeah it does really well with .308, so I’m sure 10mm will be fine👍
I just bought one but it wasn't delivered yet 😅
Hope you like it! I really like mine!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems I live in Brazil and recently we are now able to get authorization to buy 556, 762 and 308 rifles due to a right wing president. It's a brand new world to us here. All knowledge about those guns and its accessories are coming from channels like yours. Keep the good work.
@@il2csichannel298 Legal! Cara, quero que saiba que eu morava no Brasil for dois anos, e eu sinto muito falta dos brasileiros! Eu tava lá 2015-2017 e Bolsonaro não era presidente já, mas eu me lembrei que não pudia ter armas de fogo. Mas que coisa boa, de ouvir que pode ter rifles de novo! Parabéns!! Espero que essas vídeos te ajudam mesmo! Valeu!
@@SabertoothDefenseSystems que legal!! Mais um motivo para seguir o canal. Se você conseguir fazer os vídeos em português também vai conseguir muitos seguidores no Brasil. Aqui não tem como fazer um canal nesse nível porque não teríamos acesso a esses equipamentos.
@@il2csichannel298 Faz sentido! Tem pensado em fazer os vídeos em português, mas acho que isso vai ser realidade logo mesmo. Se tenha paciência, eventualmente vou fazer vídeos em português!👊🇧🇷
Between this and the swamp fox 1-10
Couldn’t tell you anything about the Swampfox, I’ve never seen it in person, only in videos
So, no BDC info provided, and looks like no wind stata on the recticle. Pass here.
Definitely a failure by Sig for not providing that stuff!
Strelok pro app has bdc data for sig. And like 1,000 other reticles. Worth the 12 or so bucks imo
you get what you paid for pretty much
Sure did!
It’s the Indian, not the arrow.
Yup