When are men and women MOST ATTRACTIVE?: peak sexual marketplace value by age
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In this episode, I'll be unpacking some of the results of the peer-reviewed research described in the article, "Aspirational pursuit of mates in online dating markets" (link below). After analyzing the private, anonymous behavior of hundreds of thousands of heterosexual men and women on a popular dating app across four independent metropolitan areas, the researchers discovered a number of surprising (but consistent) findings. Today I'll be talking about one of them: desirability as a function of age. Apparently, women were most desirable to men at 18 years-old, and men were most desirable to women at 50 years-old. It turns out that men like younger women in large part because women like older men.
"Aspirational pursuit of mates in online dating markets": www.science.or...
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#dating #attraction #relationship
In this episode, I'll be unpacking some of the results of the peer-reviewed research described in the article, "Aspirational pursuit of mates in online dating markets" (link below). After analyzing the private, anonymous behavior of hundreds of thousands of heterosexual men and women on a popular dating app across four independent metropolitan areas, the researchers discovered a number of surprising (but consistent) findings. Today I'll be talking about one of them: desirability as a function of age. Apparently, women were most desirable to men at 18 years-old, and men were most desirable to women at 50 years-old. It turns out that men like younger women in large part because women like older men.
"Aspirational pursuit of mates in online dating markets": www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aap9815
Orion is a licensed psychologist in the state of California.
Podcast available of Spotify, Instagram, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts and others.
See the "About" tab for more information on donations and consultations.
Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com
Would you mind answering my question sir ??
@@carlosdixan112 no
Don't you think men like younger mates for youth? Looks?
I can see a huge problem with this study and with the conclusion you drew in another video.
It’s problematic to compute a single attractive score across the age groups. There are many desperate professional women in their late 20’s and 30’s. Their standards are (unreasonably) high. It is very possible that they select established men in their 40’s and 50’s. The younger women probably care less and probably pick guys for fun. So men’s attractiveness peaks at 50 possibly for only women older than 28. But since there are so many of them clicking on tinder, even though their average attractiveness is lower than that of 18 year olds, their number skews the result in favor of the 50 year old established males.
It would be great to compute a pair wise score between age groups.
A man walks into a gym and asks the woman at the desk which machine he should use to impress the ladies. The woman said use the ATM that is just outside the door.
My buddy's dad says it's not true that women want money. "That's not true!"...he said.
@@Kenny-Ross They want it all. Money assets, your house, car, the kids, financial suppory, alimony. I found this out when I got taken to the cleaners in divorce. My advice, just don't get married. That way you will not end up as someone else's slave & you will be happy.
@@SunRise-ul7ko Marriage is risky. And statistics show women leave way more than men. They’re quicker to bail in relationships. It’s not being pessimistic but accepting reality. Then they’re rewarded for it.
Exactly! I start out with a few checkbook squats, follow up with a credit card roll. Then for a climax, the homeowner's deed curl! That last really makes their mouths water!
@@SunRise-ul7ko Exactly. You will end up getting divorce raped, which is worse than prison rape because you don't even get a kiss!
Rollo Tomassi breaks this down pretty effectively in my opinion. But it’s worth noting that women of different age ranges value different things, whereas men of all age ranges consistently value two things: 1. Youthful looks and 2. Loyalty/fidelity. Women aged 15-23 typically value physicality and looks in men more than anything else which is why the first guys they go for are douchey jock types. Women 24-30 go for guys that have a mix of looks, status, and game. Women 30+ go for men with status and money so it’s not surprise that age 50 was listed as the peak attraction period for women as women 30+ are a majority of the population. I promise you that an attractive 18 year old girl will pick the starting quarterback at her college over a 50 year old billionaire nine times out of 10.
Good breakdown
My thing is with men is why do we always start with the 18 year ago female? 18 year olds are too young for 30+ men. The starting point should be 20 to 21 in my opinion. What are we going to do with a 16,17 or 18?
Great comment! Very accurate. Women in their early 20s do NOT find 50 year old men the most desirable
@@MDCigan Generally you would be correct in America because people have been conditioned to dates similar age is because of patriarchy accelerating men into their Prime earlier however a forty-year-old accomplished man can easily pull 20 year olds all day outside of the West where age Gap is more commonplace
@@Flyzel....interesting take. What about in porn? Or why not just move the age of consent to 21? 18 is apparently not an adult so let’s move it up
@Flyzel.... yeah, hut the thing is it depends on the age a 20 something year should and could definitely sate an 18 year I would say 31+ would be a problem but that's just me if someone isbattracted to an 18 year old just leave them alone just leave them bebits their decision and its their feeling ( s ), don't invalidate it that's why we have so many mad people across the us now,,,,. today,,,,.
That is the most surprising and encouraging thing I've heard in the last ten years. A game changer for me. I had no idea.
What we say we want, even what we think we want; the truth lies in what we actually DO. Actions, not words.
Yes. It's odd that it seems so many people are hard struck on this idea that what they think is ideologically correct to them is somehow in alignment to what they want through their actions and behaviors. When it's very rarely in alignment at all.
But that doesn't mean that's necessarily what we want,.
@wisdomandy9361 but that doesn't mean that that's necessarily what we want, people who do actions and not words are not necessarily doing what they want actions doesn't mean any thingnif that's what they were told to do all their lives if it is a case of mass hysteria like whatnis going on with a lot of people jow adays with mass psychogenic illness, it doesn't mean that's what they want that is just what they're told they want it is not thatbsimple and it is not thus simple people are fed lies they're entire life yet they do what they were told especially agreeable people especially really agreeable people and so on people only know what they truly want when they're dopamine is firing on all cylinders when they're doing it not when they're not doing it when it comes to people when its not very in alignment at all that could come from many factors it just depends on the situation it does not depend on the entire idea of the situation it depends on the person if you don't have any thing to strive for you're never gonna do it really even if you want to do really it people are attracted to ideas nothing else thatbis what keeps us going nothing else our actionsbare a different totally thing you can't compare that and say actions don't alignment with what I say and or think we'll its like who are what do you want what ideas do you have it is not the thought process and the thinking that doesn't align with the actions that is the most accurate it is the thought process and the thinking that doesnt align with the ideas that is the case,,,,,. ,,,,,.
@@wisdomandy9361 a lot of people are a lso talking about what they want long term but for now they'll just do whatever until they get there that is what they're talking about a lso,,,,,. ,,,,,.
@@wisdomandy9361 people a lso do what they want out of fear because they have to in that moment or out of acceptance or whatever and they do what theybhave to in that moment and people a lso do thing in the subconscious and the conscious thosebare two different things by the way what your subconscious wants and what are conscious wants are two different things by the way which in fact if you figure out what they both want then you can figure what you want then people can figure it out in the sense that sense that that you youncan balance them out and figure out something good for yourself people's wants can conflict action trying to make it simple to put a complicated issue in to something with a simple simplicity mindset mindset eill keep you not from seeing the whole picture and messing you up,,,,,. ,,,,,.
As a 49 year old man thats about to turn 50 my options and access to women are almost unlimited. Guys, life is about standing the test of time so if you take care of yourselves, dont work yourselves to death and learn from other men's mistakes so you dont repeat those then when you get to middle age you will see how calming, peaceful, easy and freeing your life will be. Not giving a fuck is so liberating 💯
Probably you are somewhere in the Western world, correct? Plenty of divorcees and second-divorcees. Go to Eastern Europe, for example - and dating options for a 50 year-old are very close to zero - ALL women are hitched at that age, married with children. I don't think I've ever met a 50 year-old single woman of Eastern-European origin. Other ages women - you might think? Sure...usually women in this region get married towards the end of University [which virtually ALL of them attend] or just after - meaning around the age of 23-25. So any women older than that - is already taken. The "leftovers" - trust me - are leftovers for "a" reason [actually many, many reasons, speaking from personal experience]. Women under 25? If you are 50? Don't be silly...they see you as a father-figure at best, or "creepy old man" at worse :)
Don’t do work that ruins your back, and you will be blessed in the sack.
@@ThePompeii The problem is you're looking at the *average* 50-year old man in such situations, and you have to keep in mind that the largest majority of men do *not* actively do (or have done) anything to fully maximize their potential...
Just like if all you do is look at current statistics, you'd find the large majority of the population is overweight, not physically fit and on very bad diets... so mortality rates will reflect this directly.
But what of the people who decides to exercise regularly and follow a heathy diet?
Do they not stand a better chance at overcoming those stats on health and mortality?
It's really the same exact thing here... those men who work hard to improve themselves financially, physically and socially *always* stand a much better chance at a successful dating life than *most* men who take very little to no action in these areas of life.
@@ThePompeii he is dating 25-29 year olds friend
@@davepazz580Spot on. average 50 year old person looks like trash. They never built their life and themselves
This man’s channel has grown by 5k in less than 24hours. He’s going to be huge.
Of course it’s grown. He’s exactly like a career politician that’s been trained to lie or spin facts and promises things that won’t come to be real in the real would. Take a look around the next time you’re out. Do you see a world where 50 year old men have 18-24 year old females on their arm? I highly doubt it because young females don’t want old men. They want attractive guys around their own age. If you want facts, then look out in the real world. His data, his ga to only tell me, in mens private lives, they WANT females that are barely legal age for them but wanting and getting are two different things. If an old man is with a young girl, more than likely it’s for money but he’s gonna get dumped as soon as his age starts showing up with health problems.
I’m not trying to burst any bubbles of hope but that all that this guy is doing… is selling hope. Selling his channel for profit. Sorry but the real world tells the real truth. Look and see for yourself
I used to listen while driving from and to work. Told some of mates who liked the idea of the content as well.
on youtube even mudbang videos have 10K subscribers. Even Andrew Tate has followers.
From my own personal experience being in my late 40s, good looking for my age, fit, succesfull (not rich though) , I still get the attention of younger women. That being said they believe I'm younger by my looks (usually I get 35), and when I say my real age things get weird/awkward a lot of times tbh - so saying that you're the most attractive to women when you're 50 (assuming you look that age) it's a far stretch imo, unless you're a very high status/millionaire man ...
@@js77z So you'd never give a chance to a guy like Bradley Cooper or Jared Leto? I'm sure they're gonna be crushed 😁
@@js77z So it's about personality or a number that's a deal breaker then? Brad is turning 49 this year as I am, so not really far off from 50 right
It could be that 50 is “where peak attraction occurs” not “where peak attraction is for MOST men”
@@bob15479 I mean I've read about different studies that say that men peak at around 35 from an overall attraction point of view, like they're still not old and they should have figured out their lives by then. That being said I'm almost 50 but because I look quite a bit younger I stil get to enjoy the gaze of younger women and some, not knowing my real age, have actually told me that they'd never date a guy in his 40s even because it's kind of gross and he's an old man (their words) hahah
It's important to never take any woman's words so literally, as they say a lot of things out of momentary emotion or simply to sound "proper" among people...
If these women saw you with an actual young 20-something girlfriend having a great time (i.e. her status getting a boost from being your partner), trust me, they'd all quickly start re-evaluating this idea...
The most attractive age for men is when you make six/seven figures...
That’s really what this study is saying.
@@LemurKrazy It's also pointing out men never care about a woman making more money. Single moms send their girls off to college so mommy can be a Cougar with the 30 something guys who traditionally would have married her daughter.
waht about sexual experience, leadership role, life experience?
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh Yes, those are definitely high up there.
@@dr.jenniferma3914 yes so its not just money, a 20 year old that makes 6/7 figures still aint shi**.
Thank you sir.This explained the phenomenon why people in a developing country a 50 year old rich man married an 18 years old beatiful girl
Very accurate, but sadly if you share this publicly you will be called sexist!
As a long-time viewer of this PsycHacks series, I can attest that Dr. Taraban has grown pretty fearless in his truth-telling here, in the name of science. Kudos to him.
@@larryrobx Agree!
@@larryrobx
I agree, but I do not believe he will be able to keep it up. I’m an academic partially destroyed by truth-telling myself, so I’m skeptical. I have been enjoying the videos, though.
@@goodlyantics.5243 That is quite unfortunate and disheartening to hear, but we need people like you and him to keep telling the truth. We cannot surrender to the idealogues.
@@joseph6243
Thank you
Still depends on the overall attractiveness of a man when he hits 50. Guys that have taken care of themselves (no alcohol, good diet, rest, exercise, emotional maturity) are killing it these days with women in their 20’s.
My advice to guys in their 30’s, start NOW in regards to taking care of yourself. It will pay off when you hit your 50’s.
@@js77z I agree, majority have not taken care of themselves. They don’t exercise, eat like crap and get no rest. However, there are exceptions.
@@js77z a 57 year old was just named the “Sexiest Man Alive” by People Magazine.
The question is: will you still need this shit at 50?
A man once decided to settle down, and choose to marry one of his 3 girlfriends. He gave them each $100. The first one spent it and gave him thanks. The second one bought food for him, and made him a nice meal. The third one, invested the money, gave him his money back, and also made him a nice meal. Which girlfriend did he choose? The one with the biggest as 😂😂😭😭😭
HAHAHAHA
It's nature: Men value fertility; women value survivors.
In nature: women value men who treat them with respect and have great life together.
But peak fertility for women is from 18-22,23 and then drops. Not just 18
@@bsbsvvsshvshsyou talk about averaged value, fertility of particular women may huuugely vary, some men and women are sterile and it's not visible. Men and women e unable to asses fertility if othés just sing naked eye and senses without deep medical exams and actual attempts
The older I got I started to care less about how I look, impressing people, going out, and meeting women. Cheers!
seriously? 18 yrs old women are considered most attractive? There is no maturity at that age. Id want nothing to do with 18 yr olds.
Try learning basic punctuation before lecturing us on maturity.
what's maturity got to do with attractiveness, exactly?
@@ThePompeiiand what’s money got to do with attractiveness? Attractiveness is a whole package. If you can’t form an emotional connection, which requires maturity compatibility, you will be turned off. Same for a rich man that lacks in looks, personality or whatever matters to the woman he deals with.
@@bigneiltoo You admitted that you were preying on a 16 year old girl, even gave her aunt a gift to give to her once she turned 18. You're only proving our point, that if you could go lower, you would. And you have.
Please Mr. Taraban, as your popularity and influence grows, don't change your message! Please don't sell out, the pressure to censor the truth in these messages is going to be immense when your channel blows up. Please Mr. Taraban, humanity needs this, humanity needs you.
I don’t know any young woman interested in going out with a 50 year old guy.
It depends which 50-year-old guy... they're not all the same.
Wow 50 seems a stretch I know very few young women that would want to date a 50 yo old man when all the things the same a younger version is available… have to take this with a grain of salt this isn’t something I would take super seriously… have to consider the source of the data, 40 is more believable
Dang! You just made my day! I'm 48 and single and reasonably well-off. I thought I would not be desirable at all. But perhaps there is some hope!
Age has little do do with it. If you’re not in the top 10% of good looking men, you’re gonna be unattractive and invisible at any age. The only exception is wealth or fame.
Agreed, if the 50 year old dude is low on the socio-economic scale, overweight, bald, with no swagger, no social-awareness, awqward, went through bad times that left a mark on him psychologically [1-2 divorces, and stuff like that] - not necessarily all at once or all of the above, but SOME - he won't be attractive to women
99% of men are unattractive to average woman. Women reject ALL men at first glance. It’s evolutionary and survival tactic
Sadly. I dont drink, don’t eat meat. Somehow I am fat any way (I am Polynesian). Balding. Had one disasterous relationship.
I have become that creepy loser that scares women. So I just leave them alone know.
@@sleepinggorilla If this doesn't bother you, just keep leaving them alone. It's not the worst one can do. If this does bother you, change it. Nothing is hard in life with discipline and the right mindset. Losing weight is fairly simple and can be easily reached within a few months or years. Getting women might be harder or easier, dependent on your current assets (wealth, confidence, humour, knowledge, listening skills, Game skills, style and looks, ...). However, it will get easier with every experience you make. I had to learn it from 0 and tbh, I probably wouldn't have started if I knew how often my feelings would be hurt and how harsh this whole experience would become. But I kept going, learned from every experience and it became easier. After my last breakup it took me between one to two months to find an other woman with whom I could replace the regular sex. And I am certain that it will get even easier than that, as long as I keep moving forward.
You shouldn't look at "the creepy loser" as a set state of yourself. We all change with every day and it is your responsibility to control the direction of this change.
@@JezaLoki I am 6’2” great health, full head of hair, and I can grow a very decent beard as well. As far as genetic lottery I have it all, my family and friends remind me all the time. I have been chronically single for the last 5 years (I am 24). I have seen so many objectively unattractive men (I was in a fraternity in college) bag the most beautiful women and I felt like I was getting robbed. Looks mean nothing.
This data was collected by analyzing data apps. The reality is a lot of women between the ages of 18 -25, honestly even late 20's will use these dating apps as tools to find a sugar daddy. If I were looking for a sugar daddy, I would focus my attention on men between the ages 40 - 55 because I am aware I have more power over those men due to my looks and youth in comparison to them being old and financially stable.
☝️This here. There is no way woman thinks 54 year old Erik is more attractive than Charlie in his late 20s. Unless Erik can make shit loads of money he will be behind Charlie.
Truth
You have power over them? This is a typical example of a modern woman whose delusion is insane. You're giving your box to him and you exchange it for money. Your value goes down as well as your mental health.
His value stays the same and even increases. How exactly is that more power for you?
Enjoy your cats and box wine because nobodies gonna want that used hole after it's had its best years.
And??? Yes, the 18-25s are looking like mad for suggar daddies. They are still off the dating market looking for their daddies.
And you know what? That is cheap and easy sex. It is their problem that they are wrecking themselves completely and that they will be completely incapable of ever having a stable relationship.
yep there is something wrong with his quick conclusion because IRL you never see 30 years of age difference in couples.
I am turning 52 on March 11. I have no desire for any 18 yr old woman. If anything I like women between 27 to 60 in looks. I am all about face more than anything.
Finally a man with moral character.
I think i am a women who is attracted to men of same age.
The minority
Female attractiveness is not limited by legal bounds. It's just no man will publicly admit to being attracted to underaged girls below 18.
Truth is that men find 15-17 year old females the most attractive.
Maybe perhaps... but even so, u can't date someone that young... too immature... too unbearable at that age... not worth the trouble or time... 20s!
Thank you for pointing this out.
18 was not surprising. 50 was. Expected the guy's age to be around 40.
I actually thought 30 was the most attractive age, especially for yougner women
@@c4blew I’m a old fart who takes good care of himself. Trust me, I get way more attention now, than when I was in my 20’s and 30’s 😂
@@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 But are you more attractive or just attracting more from larger pools?
As in older women can only go for older men anyway.
It is 38-40.
Fascinating Study. I was SURPRISED by the Men At Age 50 Result. I would have expected a handsome, wealthy, 35 Yr Old male would receive preferential attention verse any "Older" male. -cheers... -70SomethingGuy
as a 26 year old woman, I hardly disagree on his take. Men in their mid 20s to mid 30s are at their peak
women will always have preferences but will hate that a mans preference disqualifies them. Can dish out the truth but never handle it themselves
Men are upset when they disqualify as well. even resort to physical violence & force.
@@nstar1372I don't think using a very small and psycopathic part of the population like rapists is a genuine argument for the way most men react to rejection. Try again
Just because men want a young beautiful girl, doesn't mean she wants you. Most of the time it's about money for these young girls. I date younger men and they spoil me and have long-term relationships with them. Many women like me are killing it and we don't have to pay for it. But men can keep dreaming. My nieces are in this age of 18-25, they don't want to date their fathers, they crush on young boys and date only 1 or 2 years older.
This explains a lot. When I was younger women wouldn't give me a second look. I'm almost 44 now and they go out of their way to talk to me and are very flirty. I'm not really interested in having relationships anymore, but I can't deny that it's a nice selfesteme booster. It's funny that it's only now that I'm no longer looking that they start showing interest.
If they're over 30, don't look too deep into it bro, it's usually because at that age the clock starts ticking down for them and they get desperate
@@ams6454yup, they are trying to secure the bag as they say. They are looking for a retirement plan, and they know older men usually have assets and their finances in check.
Women are like Banks, they ll give you credit when you dont need it
I have somewhat similar experiences. I had always trouble finding girlfriends in my teens and early 20s, and it only changed after I became a fairly well known music artist in my country that brought be most of my girlfriends.
Now as a 40 year old, I still get matches (and dates) in dating apps with women from 20 to 35.
We definitely don't live on the same continent and I would say we don't live in the same world either 😂😂😂. Good luck to both men and women from that research and dating apps 🖐️
Age is just one factor in a decision regarding what may be attractive to any one person. That said, an 18 year old woman may view a 50 year old man as being old as her dad (eww), and a 50 year old man may view an 18 year old woman as a sexual conquest, but not someone he'd seriously consider spending time with because of a lack of common interests and experience. So the respective ages of maximum attraction don't meet up in the real world.
I couldn’t agree more!!! These men touting this stuff on utube about women actually really wanting a man that’s much older is only for ratings! It’s like a trained politician that knows lies gets you votes! In my opinion, it’s only encouraging perverts to have a green light to go after 18 year olds. In my world, my husband wouldn’t let a 40 year old come near his daughter without repercussions! Let alone some old 50 year old man. JUST YUCK’🤢
He said it starts to decline when a woman reaches 18 which means it’s at its peak when she’s underage therefore most men like children basically that’s grimy and sad asf. Being sexually attracted to minors is just too
Normalized. Too many young girls deal with SA by the hands of a grown man that knows better because things like this being seen as ok
*it’s at its peak when she’s underage therefore most men like children basically that’s grimy and sad asf.*
Complete bullsh*t and you know it...
18 and 50? This probably wasn't Tinder, it was Seeking Arrangements.
😂
Ha ha - 100%!
I think this goes along with, at least in part, women looking for financial stability.
There's another way to look at this. A stunning woman in her early 20's might want a mature man who looks past her physical attributes, which is rare, in any case. If she's a hard working person, she may want his love and knowledge more than his money... To make this work, gentlemen, you must have a great body and personality + be on point in every way. Pass all her tests and with patience the two of you have a chance.
Youre the REAL Top G! Thank you Bro!!
well as someone who just turned 50 this is the best news I've heard all year lol
as a woman, don’t be so gullible. It’s good that you feel well about your age but men’s peak is late 20s to mid 30s
Usually, desirable remains desirable over time. This study has only short term mating people in its sample so it is not a reliable assessment of desirability.
Some people are at their peak in their early twenties (for a multitude of reasons they suit youth) and then go to pieces - but this is equally true of both sexes. Slightly more for men, if anything, because they are less likely to look after themselves.
I’ve never been attracted to older men. As a teen, I liked my age group and maybe celebrities in their early 20s. Now as someone in their late twenties, I don’t find any guy above 35 attractive unless they’re insanely handsome and don’t look their age. Women who claim to like older guys like their money and stability. They are not more physically attracted to a balding 50 year old guy than a 25-30 year old guy in his physical prime. Period.
Women are well-known for saying such things *before* making exceptions for themselves later... these generalized statements are pretty meaningless in the real world.
every woman like a young man,but they make a compromise for money and security,They afraid to be with younger man,its risky ,Women like financial security and emotional too.But 59 year old man is not on peak,for sure
good for you. I have personally known many 20s women who liked older men.
this study doesnt make sense, you dont need studies to know that 50 year olds are not the most desirable, 40 maybe, def men over 30, I would say 35 year olds. When compared to the other tinder study that only rated people on attractiveness it was found older women prefer men 3-5 years younger once the women are over 40, and around 5 years older when they are under 40. and all men wanted 18-21 year olds, physically speaking.
This study needs to go into more detail, it just doesnt make sense, maybe its just purely sex based, women assume 50 year olds have the most experience in the bedroom (but what about their bodies and t levels? I guess experience trumps everything and women are not as shallow) and 18 year old are obv the hottest.
I mean I know 21 year old guys who dont want to deal with 18 year old kids, why in the world would older men want to other then for quick sex? Then again tinder is mainly about sex, right?
Lets just be realistic, who do you see with the hottest partners usually? its guys 28-45. and the girls are usually 16-24.
I think another point that we miss is that women dont like younger guys, so all the women around 40 and up will not date down so the 50 years old get all of those.
They're most attractive when they don't try hard, or when they're not self-conscious about it. In the case of men, a strong sense of purpose and inner stability, calm, and confidence are all key factors. While a high salary and respectable career can help a great deal, bear in mind that sages (who often have very few possessions) can still attract a big following. As for women, good looks, devotion, understanding are important to men. Still, if she's self-conscious of her physical beauty, that in my view makes her kind of ugly. Speaking personally, too much makeup, I think, detracts from whatever beauty she has. In short, the combination of inner wealth, an interesting mind, decent appearance and naturalism amount to the peak of attractiveness.
50 sounds like cope tbh
What is the difference between a prostitute and a regular women if the men pays directly or indirectly for her services ??
Not much except that one doesn't sleep with multiple men and one does. One doesn't belong to a red light district and one does.
You can make that argument. However, it's probably more true (and less inflammatory) to argue that there's a transactional element to all relationships. Selling your time for sex is just a different flavor of "prostitution" than selling your sex for money.
You answered your own question. One is direct the other indirect. Do you know why other women refer to a regular woman who has frequent and many partners as " cheap"? Because even they, perhaps consciously know they're all selling the same thing. So if one waits for an expensive diamond ring and multiple dates and dinners she's not considered cheap, yet the one that does it for fun or after a McDonald's meal and a walk through the park is. They're all selling, just some ask for a higher price, some are direct and indirect, but they're all selling.
@@psychacks I agree with you my only problem is that when you point this out most women get upset . Great video anyways!
@@modickens1272 great comment
Noted. When I'm 50 I'll go after 18 year olds.
They didn't say 50 year old men pair up with 18 year old women. They said those are the years when we have the most options. And if Leonardo DiCaprio asked out an 18 year old woman in her prime she would jump at the chance. Personally, I think age 21 is prime for a woman.
@@bigneiltoo joke
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Spot on no joke. Nu Nu Nu N.W.O
I'm 49 and I'm dating a 22yr old. I look considerably younger than my age, therefore, people have NO idea that there's such a large age gap between us 🤣
@@handsomeX Can you actually have stimulating conversation?
Not of data but off meaningful life experience for women I think the average woman peaks ages 21-27
Hillarious, so basically 50 year old men are bombarding 18 year old women every day on Tinder and getting positive responses from them. And everyone else is pretty much wasting their time. ;)
And how many times do we see 60 year olds in a relationship with 20 year olds. ?
I'm 44 and prefer women mid 30s, not younger
As a 50-year old man - I could not agree more with this incredibly accurate study!!
Yeah it’s clearly nonsense. I could understand 40, but 50? Nah bro.
Next year, the lake dries up
@@ThomasFoolery8 I'm 52. In the past week I had dates with women who are 21, 26, 27, and 46. The 46 year old is crazy. I'm sure old ladies would recommend her.
@@ThomasFoolery8 In the year 2000 my girlfriend explained that age 50 is the peak for a man because we must consider his increasing salary and fading looks. 35-55 is prime for a man.
@@bigneiltoo you’re lying and delusional. I’m 40 and still have a full head of hair with some grays on the side, but otherwise in shape, and I make $434k/yr now, and the quality of girls I get has dropped steadily from around age 33 when I was only making $150k/yr.
Age 33ish (depending on how fast you age) is the peak for most men.
Young pretty girls (which I assume we are all chasing) want a man who still looks like he can perform well in bed, that still has some money to spoil her. So even at $150k, she’ll date you if you spend most of your paycheck wining and dining her and you’re still somewhat young (early 30s).
By 40, you’re literally trying to bribe them into sleeping with you since you look older and there is a smaller class of women who may go for that, but it isn’t many.
I'm 42 and can't imagine being any sexier
Well, I’m in my fifties with a lifetime of relationship experience and I’m glad to hear that men’s attractiveness is better with age. I have this ability to look into a man’s eyes and really see him - I’m attracted to most men. What I see most of the time is a lot of pain. Men are lonely. And they work so hard to get even a little physical contact. Women, we’re usually fine as we’ve aged; at least all my friends are. We’re at peace with whatever life gives us.
I guess this is why Sex and the City shows women not pursing marriage and being happy as spinsters to their grave, right?
@@Vkob Hi! Well, I don’t know too much about that show but one thing I’ve observed: by the time a woman is old, she’s taken care of a husband, children, her own parents, her husband’s parents, and usually some neighbors or friends of her parents. No regrets, of course it feels good to take care of others but when we’re old it’s finally time to do some things for ourselves. I love everyone I’ve helped but it sure is nice to finally have my life back and I can do things I’ve always wanted to do.
the least happy demographic is actually middle aged single women. so your anecdotes dont represent the population
Yes and No. Some older single women don't appear very happy and don't adjust for age or attitudes. Some of course are happy and content. Comes to down to perspective and mindset.
@@LisaMarie-eh7upyou’re far overvaluing your contributions.
I am a physicist and I loved your comment..
There's a third path here. Not just what men want in private and what men say, but what men take action on in social settings. Maybe a 50 year old man is privately attracted to an 18 year old, but in an actual marketplace, he'll feel awkward about pursuing her. So an interesting study would be how social factors shape our choices even when they may be against our ultimate desires.
at 47 I dont feel awkward about any of my preferences. Men mature as they age
After reading "The Alabaster Girl" by Zan Perrrion, one thing I understood is the essence of masculinity is to:
• Be absolutely ruthless & unapologetic
• Send invitations and not permissions
• Fuck everyone & the world
Another interesting study would be how the fathers of 18 yr old girls feel about old men wanting to get inside their daughters 🤔
@@gabbsdy8741 That's not what the study says. It says that 18 years old girls and 50 years old men receives the most messages from opposite sex, of all ages, asking to go out with them. It does not say 50 years old men are messaging 18 yo girls. In fact, it says 50 years old men are the ones receiving messages, instead of the ones sending them.
@@georgedang449 that is very unlikely. Only way I could think of is thought of security that older man may provide. Even in that case I'd still never initiate contact overtly with an older man. I'm 22.
As a guess before watching the video, women 26, men 35.
This is cope. The peak attractive female is by and large not going to be interested in “peak” attractive 50 year old males. Women 30-60 sure, but 18-25 nope, why would they, they can find an attractive and accomplished man aged 25-40.
It's all relative anyway...
The generalisation about age decreasing a woman's attractiveness is only true within that woman's timeline. When compared between woman then it breaks down. There are plenty of twenty year old woman who are less attractive than 30 or 40 year old woman. In fact if a woman is deemed attractive in her 20's, say she's a 10/10, then in her 30's and 40's if she looks after herself, she can still be roughly at 10/9 or 8. A woman who is a 6 in her 20's if she looks after herself isn't going to be more than a 6 in her 40's.
All that is true about attractiveness, but keep in mind that even the most unattractive woman in her 20's will *still* have that edge of having her reproductive "energy" on her side... a 30's or 40's super-hot woman just isn't going to have that.
Thanks for making a content on peer-reviewed research on dating topics. It's easy to generalize observations by common sense but it's always refreshing when content creators back them up with actual data. One takeaway though: could the nature of engagement in these dating apps act as an extraneous variable in the study? I.e. People could have various motives for dating online. Hookup culture as a motive is quite prevalent in these apps. Is there a significant difference between men and women's motivations? If so, can we say that men are more interested in looking for younger sexual partners among females but would prefer to have older females as relationship partners? On the contrary, are women more interested in looking for older men as relationship partners as they are more stable and can provide for long term needs? I think sexual desirability connotes a myriad of underlying motivations, not just physical in nature.
This whole thing feels like a very complex form of the dreaded ‘yougenics’ (gotta keep it UA-cam safe if it isn’t already.)
Men most popular at 50 is pressumably due to "left over" women in their late 30s, early 40s dating up.
Women most popular at 18 is due to men dating down and the legal age for using the app being 18.
To be useful, data would need to be presented by age range. i.e. what do women 20-24 go after, etc
Women in their 20-24 are in their party phase. They're looking for "experiences" to populate their IG account to get r exposure and more "experiences". Not the same with left overs, they want long term "security".
@@mbg9650 leftovers are the result of what you said at the beginning
Bruh, you still believe underage girls are celibate? You‘re in for a rude awakening, because they‘re getting tossed around by the same men most women go for anyway. 😂
Yeah, they really should have calibrated that model to see who the 18-25 women were messaging. I got my hopes up at 50, but if it's just 35+ then pointless. I'd rather stay single and not risk the wealth I've accumulated for sloppy second-thousandth...
I think that would have been a very defined point if that was the case.
I consider the woman motivation when it comes to make desirability. DOES she prioritise (A) WANTING his baby OR (B) NEEDING his Lifestyle..
I don't want a woman who wants my lifestyle over her want to have my baby, as she is a greater cuckold risk
I think the fact this data was gathered on a dating app skews the results as it tells you the age of the person right away. What would the results have been with men and women gauging interest based solely on their physical appearance and personality out in the wild.
Personally i think womens peak atrractivemess peaks 23-25. 18 year old girls still srebt fully physically mature, often their curves havent fully developed. Most of the time I see women 23-25 going after guys 25-30. But I guess these are my own observations
I would have said 25 as well; many 18 year olds still haven't physically matured or filled out properly.
My uncle tried to fix his son up with this girl and the girl wants my uncle not my cousin my cousin is 22 my uncle is 56 and the girl is 20
Most attractive at 18, you say? What an absolute coincidence. It's like there's a floor, preventing these results from settling on their actual, unconstrained value.
Very smart and honest thought.
Agreed
Now google what age men and women are most desirable and look at the lies and propaganda
Thank you. Women aren't looking for guys who are younger or the same age as themselves, with one exception : social value. In other words many young women are attracted to alpha men who have high social value. The more mature and masculine a man is the more attracted she is to the guy. Physicality is an important trait, but not the only one.
For the most part I agree. However some controlling ladies want a younger man so they can controll him, and some older ladies want a younger man so they can get There back blown out
It took me years to learn and accept this. Good thing I’m older now (much older) 😂
I've always gone for men my own age, as have most women I know.
@@js9273 What makes a better relationship is compatibility and work.
@@nilighosh158 big age gaps are not typically compatible - and the idea that women are at their most attractive at 18 and men at 50 is for the birds.
Due to Hypergamy for the most part?
50 year old males are well-established financially compared to their younger competition.
I'm 45 and my upper limit for a woman is 35. Because that's the cut-off date for any woman who wants to start a family with children. That means that women who are older than that, are completely worthless to me, because the chance of a woman older than 35 being able to bare me a child are almost zero. If you don't like that, then too bad. You should have started a family while you could. I think that's a valuable lesson for all young women. Your family-starting expiry date is by 35. Mine is 85.
You're the man
I feel the same way. 35 is the limit. I’m 54, by the way.
You’re lacking education in that matter and are showing your misogyny. Women can have children after 35. Most women I know gave birth in their 30s where they were more stable. However, men have a risk of birth defects increase after 30. This means even if your wife is younger, you still have a higher chance to have a child with autism and other disorders and diseases and if you started your family late, you won’t even have the energy or enough years left to take care of the kid. Your family-starting expiry date isn’t 85. That’s delusional and selfish to the poor children. Please learn modern medicine before listening to Andrew Tate style podcasts.
@@ana-pq3cs I’m lacking education? Girl, you just picked a fight with the wrong scholar… Clearly you’re the one lacking education in the matter and showing your hysteric misandry. So yes, _please_ get educated! Or, you know… Just stop spreading anti-family lies because your claims are based on exactly ZERO evidence.
Normally I would attribute such woefully bad interpretation of “science” to misunderstanding, but you clearly have ill faith, and so I can only conclude that you’re lying. Perhaps because you’re a bitter, middle aged woman who never settled for the man she really deserves? Meanwhile I was out partying with 20-somethings yesterday and had great fun. So, please allow me to mansplain this for you in detail!
The surveys and tests done say nothing about the health of the male sperm. Instead they only take account of the father’s age-without even mentioning the age of the mothers-which is already a dubious reason for making such surveys in the first place. Instead you made the cardinal mistake of ASSUMING that the women in those studies are necessarily 35 years or younger, which there is ZERO proof of. So, please get your facts straight!
If the studies also took account of the age of women, which tends to be older when the father also gets older, then the whole study would fall apart. Why? _Because the adverse causational correlation between female age and disorders and birth defects in new-born babies is already PROVEN._ (!)
This means that the papers made on the fathers age are at best a victim of _cum hoc ergo propter hoc._ I mean, you’re so educated, so you already know what that means without googling right? For everyone else, It means that the studies on men’s age in relation to birth defects in babies is completely bunk and bs.
Your entire claim is resting on the false assumption that there’s a higher chance of genetic defects in older men’s sperm, except there’s no proof of that. The only thing those “scientific” surveys desperately try to hide, is the fact that older _women_ tend to have more complications during and after birth than men. So, here’s a pepper grinder for you. Now go tend to your cats.
Actually menopause hits when andropause hits, around 45 which is your age.
After age 35 quality of eggs declines, just like men 's sperm quality declines; men older than 35 carry a higher risk of giving the woman kids with autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorders. Sperm banks usually refuse men sperm when it's older than 35...
Also chronological age is different than biological age, and women tend to age better than men, because women are on top of the anti aging game. Think nutrition, exercise, proper sleep, no smoking, no alcohol.
Men have a lot of addictions, porn, alcohol, bad life hygiene. Finally, women freeze their eggs and can use sperm banks - men can't raise kids without a woman. And if you remain resentful, and act shitty to her, she can divorce you and you end up in a worst situation.
Women - 23 y/o and men - 40 y/on
I'm a 55 YO man, and this gels with my life experiences (in my case I think the fact I've continued to body build consistently since I was 19 helps a lot, but older body builder me is more successful than younger body builder me).
What's the youngest woman you've managed to pull?
Women don't give a sh!t about body building. Do you pay attention to them? Pay for dinners? Buy gifts?
@@Billy-bc8pk How much you want to bet its a minor?
Why does this situation of older men dating younger women make women outside of the relationship angry?
Because older women feel entitled to the choice men in their relative age range...
One important thing to understand is, that the gender demographics change drasticly around 40 years of age. Where only 25% of the users are female among younger users, the gender distribution evens out at older ages and as far as I know can even reverse in some dating sites and apps.
True well said
Don’t waste any time on dating sites.
Cmon man it can't be 50
Excellent video doc.
Very interesting! And I agree, this is probably much more accurate than a typical poll because it is pretty much anonymous so people have no incentive to lie.
I'm not sure if you follow up in a later video, but do you mention which factors they tracked in terms of "attractiveness" for men and women? Other than age, of course.
Has to be financial success because that's what eliminates the young men most of the time. They don't demonstrate competence so they aren't appealing.
Ppl actually lie on anonymous polls, because they try to convince themselves they're moral citizens. This is hard data points, not poll. It's actual messages asking someone out. The walk, not the talk.
I personally think men are in their prime in their 40s.
Woman jogging on the trail ahead of me stopped to chat me up as I was passing by her.
I’ve got grey hair, she’s 20 years younger than me - so I was both surprised and a little suspicious.
Even more surprised by her annoyance when after few polite words, I turned and continued moving on.
Let young women tell you when you're too old, not women your age.
Did you bang
she needed help of some kind
Consider the other factors: if a man is 50 and he's on a dating app, he's likely either divorced or never married, and if ranked highly enough on a dating app, probably shows he's very well to do. He probably also stays fit, etc.
A 50-year-old man might be most desirable by the totality of women, but I bet the 38-year-old man is most desired by the high-SMV women. And really that is what matters.
Not all 50-year-old men are the same...
@@davepazz580 Ok, so you are 50 lol
I'm not, but it doesn't matter... not all 50-year-old men are the same regardless.
Some have kept themselves very well physically, some have not... some have progressed far in their careers and others have not... some look 60 or 70 at 50, others look much younger.
Also depends what type of people you have around you or are fortunate enough to find... all these factors will vary and result in different outcomes for different men of that age range.
holy christ, 50!? That's unexpected. I would have expected maybe around 32-35. This is some hopefuel; I'm 34 years old and feeling very good about the women I'm able to date but also feel pressured into finding a partner fairly soon. Maybe there's really no rush if I'm still basically on an upward trajectory.
Only if you are loaded and want to be a gold digger magnet !
yes, there is no rush for a man at 34. but like Agotha said you want a woman who likes YOU not just your money. so please stay fit, energetic and youthful as you age or you will just attract scumbag women.
I think it's 30 for men. To say it's 50 is nonsense. I think this study is misleading. And the reason I say it's 30 and not 25 is simply because 25 year olds can get younger girls than 30 year olds but there is simply a larger population share of women past 22 than below within the population of women that take part in adult dating and women always want a woman who is a couple years older. In a 30 year old man's case, there are a lot of hot women in their 20s for that 30 year old man to date, even though they will be less hot than the 25 year old's options, though the 25 year old man has such a narrow slice of the population that want him. Most 19 year olds won't date a man who's 30 but 25 is fine. Most 18 year olds want a guy usually no older than 21. Most 20 year old women want a guy up to about 30 maybe. As for the 50 year old man, he's sought after most probably by women 35-50 years old, and this is an even wider age range, but who the fuck wants them? For that reason, I say it's 30 for most men. The reason I say most men is because most men never strike it rich. If they do, their options in non-sugar baby women will skyrocket but the only super young ones who will date them will be status obsessed/party girls who are more prone to using men, rather than old-fashioned romantic girls. In order to get girls romantically, even if you are rich, I think you need to meet a minimum looks threshold for women.
@@bijoubijoux5185 good analysis and i agree.
@@bijoubijoux5185 I'm seeing a trend of men believing women want younger men and women saying they always had a preference for older men. 30 is too young as it doesn't account for the natural increase in mens wealth in their later 30s to mid 50s. Look around and you'll be shocked how many young women are into older men.
No way … a 50 year old man is not desirable at all to most chicks .. not a chance in hell
A 20-30 yo woman wants a young buck.
They do?
Then why have the *majority* of young men basically abandoned the dating market from lack of dating opportunities?
If what you're saying were true, then all these "young bucks" would be totally thrilled to wake up every day with so many women throwing themselves at them...
Yet the number of these guys who are virgins or have very little sexual experience is *much* higher than previous generations of that age group... so there's a huge disconnect between this popular notion you're repeating here and reality.
18? No way. As soon as they start talking I'm out....give me a 40 to 50 plus woman any day.
You want a dysfunctional female who can no longer bear children? Yeah, right.
How old are you?
When I was in my mid 30s and single for 4 years I had 20 year olds willing to date and most wanted to have sex, even though I was not like that with women I barely knew (pun intended, lol). Now I'm 48 and just a little more silver, and richer with gold, and no women 35ish or younger show any interest in me. I don’t think American women are largely playing along with the norms of your study quotes. I think America is creating a libturd Frankenstein-woman-culture-monster. 😅 I'm quite sure if I wanted to live or travel overseas I'd find many available and willing 20 to 30 year olds.
"Sexual marketplace value"...Sounds like human evolution has "hit the wall" & reversing 🤦♀️
This is complex issue. Different people look for different things in a partner. Nice shoulders in a man won't hurt 😊 but it's more nuanced than that. Thank you though.
Why not making the distinction between rexual attraction & relationship attraction! Once the women reached epiphany phase, guess what she's looking for in a man?
Missed the boat on peak attractiveness and am not interested in 50 year old men. Sooo... do I just twiddle my thumbs then? 🙃
Yeah you would think 40 and 50 plus women never have sex or serious relationships from this! 😆
Its ridiculous
It's a bullshit video targeted at sad, lonely men to make them feel better about themselves.
Why does this always look so wrecked?
I'm 53 now and over the past 4 years have dated 19,21,24,29 and 33... I refuse to date women anywhere near my age... I take care of myself, stay fit and earn a top 1% salary.. that helps too.
Do you have any special diet to make you look young? Congrats champion
@@nameless.greyceo I don't man.. I hate to say it, but it's all genetics.. I smoked for 30 years, still use nicotine... I drink socially, and I eat everything including fast food.... just moderation .. I also work out every other day with weights ..
@@Sams911 that's great news to all that you still pulls those girls but aren't on anything strict cool man.
Is it then a tragedy for middle-aged men that the 18 year old girls aren't attracted by 50 year old men? I don't know if these statisticians could test that assumption - could have measured how many such contacts 18 year old girls initiated. Maybe some hoped for sugar-daddies? And the most attractive persons are not the most interesting in everyday life, as these are the fewest - more average persons are the biggest groups, and their happiness and health are what is interesting for most psychologists and sociologists.
The interesting question how could the quality of life be enhanced for both genders?
50 yrs is a long time reaching that age is a blessing of its own
Men age like wine, and women age like milk.
I wonder how many of the message exchanges were actually phishers and bots
It is quite clear thst the researchers are men between 40 and 60 years old!
Women like men most when they're 50 years old? That's crazy old! There's no way!
i think the take away is: as a man if you apply the concepts of what makes a man attractive then your value goes up as your age up to a certain extent. its going to be different for everyone. the inverse is true for women.
It’s not true the way people think it is lol. A 40-50 year old man who still has handsome looks, good physique, takes care of himself and makes a ton of money, sure is a magnet for a chunk of 20-40 year old women sure. But an extremely small percentage of men achieve these things at that age. So most 50 year old men are shot out of the market like most 50 year old women. But on average, it’s the handsome 18-25 year old guy who is cleaning up with young women.
A 50 year old man is attractive to 40 year old women. Not to a 20 year old woman. One 20 year old woman is worth 10 40 year old women.
Yep, ask those peak women (18yo, according to the study) what they think of 50 year olds as BOYFRIENDS, and watch the hilarity that ensues. 😂😂
@@Rileyed Same. When I was 22 years old all the 22yo girls ignored me. I didn't start getting hot girls until well into my 30s.
I do not agree with this one! 18 year old woman are not desirable. Trust me. I was 18 once and we are all over the place!!
Physically they are...
I would have guessed women’s prime was 21, and men’s like 34. Shocking that its 18 and 50.
21 is still too young. You don't see many 21 year olds with men over 30
I was already feeling pretty good as a 50 year old guy but now I’m flying high like a parade float.
I hope the study accounted for the fact that men just voted for sex only, and since men have wide preference, attractive older women will get chosen as high desirability, and attractive older women naturally inclined to date up, as ALL women are, so this will create a preferrence for older men, aka 50s. I still think its 40. do we need a study to know women?
I wonder how much of the results were affected by the multitude of fake Tinder accounts.
Does this apply to all age groups?
I.E. do women in the range of 18-24 also consider 50 year old men to be more attractive on average?
In rare cases i would say +7 years is the highest most women would date
Hell no.
No they do not. I wouldn’t want a 50 year old even if I were 30.
It depends on the age of the women.
They want two things: security and fun.
Younger women prioritize fun.
Older women prioritize security.
Security = a provider, someone she knows will take care of her needs.
Fun = someone who can fulfill her lust, need for experiences and adventure.
Since women can’t always find the full package in one man, they attempt the following:
Young women keep a main sexual relationship with the fun man, and have multiple provider orbiters on the side to string along for security.
If we are talking about older women, chances are she is in a “committed” relationship with an older man, yet goes out on girls night for fun hookups to fulfill her need of fun.
If you did a good job at screening women, shouldn’t worry about your partner engaging in this type of repulsive behaviors. Even though all women are capable, doesn’t mean they will all engage in repulsive behaviors, but if they, you can expect it to be one of these two.
Millennia old wisdom says that all women have one hair of the devil. So one never knows really how a person might be or change.
So to answer your question:
Not likely at that age unless they have a kink.
Women here. Definitely not
I think the 18 and 50 are the extremes. I think it’s more so ish early 20’s and early 40s.
There's a great book titled "The Evolution of Desire" by David Buss that explains all of this perfectly. Long story short, men value traits associated with fertility, including beauty (hence why women wear makeup), youthfulness, and feminine personality traits. Since a woman's biological clock typically expires in her mid 30s, men want a woman that has a high probability of giving him offspring, hence why they're attracted to younger women. On the flip side, women are attracted to a man's height and physical stature, his resources (mainly his finances), and where he stands on the totem pole. With the exception of his height, all of those things increase as a man ages up until hes roughly 50, hence why women are attracted to older men.
You must be out of your mind. Dunno about men, but as a woman I look for a friend and a mate, not a leader, not a boss, not someone to support me, because I make my own money, and a man that'll choose me just because of ME, not because of my capacity to give him children
@@Brenda-ny1gwif you aren't willing to give him children that's a deal breaker for a lot of men. Men just don't care about your education or career accomplishments. That's a masculine trait.
@@rwentfordable There's no woman or man in the Lord