Friday night and nothing better I'd rather watch after working today. Great stuff John, I was considering a next machine being able to turn with a bar feeder, but this seems more perfect for what I need. Will be looking into Willemin, thx!
Wow John. Looks like an amazing machine. I am really anxious to see some more of your finished parts from the new machine. Looks like a solid investment. I can tell you’re excited about it.. I would guess that more stuff will pop up that you do not realize right now that this machine will be awesome for. Thanks for sharing
I’ve been following Grimsmo for ages in the UK but he’s gone quiet for some reason but luckily I’ve just come across yourselves with this Willemin video so I hit the bell and look forward to following you as well👍
Awesome upgrade John! Just bought our second one. We've had our 508MT2 for over a year and we needed to ramp up production of parts not requiring sub turning, so we got a 408MT too. We make implantable titanium parts. I would be happy to share tips and tricks.
I would highly recommend the Robosuit for the UR. It doesn't take long for cutting fluids to cause problems if you plan on running regular production with it. This to me is the biggest trade off with the UR cobots. They are easier to program vs their industrial counterparts but they don't resist the fluids and contaminates of a machining environment.
@Basement_CNC that's not what I mean. It's all distorted. I've watched most of John's videos and this is one of the only videos that has this distortion.
I have the same problem with nakamuras WY series. It's already an expensive machine meant for lights out production, but they dont go the extra mile to promote that from the factory. I want that unattended time so i dont have talented people unloading parts all day and i want to run simple parts on the weekend i dont need people to even intervene and make small adjustments. In our case the cost addition isnt 15%, but help your customers realize their full potential by offering something from the factory.
What’s kept you with sandvik? When we tested vs iscar and sumitomo it wasn’t close, they were always double the price with lower s&f. Have they been performing better long term? They had a lot of marketing and hype but when we put them side by side they got thrown right out.
You should visit (FKI USA) in Carrollton TX metal manufacturing plant that has in house tooling and die cnc brake press laser, blow, minster and verson stamping presses multiple coil fed and hand transfer production.
I imagine the warranty makes it harder to retrofit a larger tube and part tray instead of adding a robot worth 15% of this already expensive machine. Can't wait to see the capabilities of this machine when its running.
How does the machine ensure that the lugs to keep the tool static for turning operations engage properly? I assume there are slots in the spindle they engage with but you would have to line them up precisely.
The 408 and 508 uses HSK-E40 which are dual contact (engages both the taper and flange) and have a retention knob. The spindle (6th axis "W"), which would hold your turning tool in the HSK-E40, has an index accuracy of +/- 0.02deg. So short answer, the machine does it for you.
We took a hard look at swiss lathes. They just aren't even close. Swiss lathe would be great for turning-focused, super high volume parts. The willemin is the right fit for us because it has much (MUCH) better milling, and can switch between parts with minimal effort/time.
How’s the controller? We have some new doosans with the fanuc I plus and it’s awful. Tons of lag and glitching, black screening and not acknowledging button presses. Hoping they have it solved by now. Love fanuc, hated the controller and its regular malfunctions
Yes he did, the amount of tool hanger slots on the Willi is more important to him, literally 0 setup time between parts Also just go listen to the podcast
What @Basement_CNC said. Willemin = minimal/no setup to switch parts. And has a proper, 42k milling spindle. Swiss lathe would be better if we had super high volume parts that were mostly turning.
@@Basement_CNC hey basement, I am a longtime fan of both John’s. But life doesn’t always allow for me to listen to podcasts. Especially to find the answer to one question.
@@nyccnc i mean if it can be done so simpley and cheaply ( i mean its way cheaper then changeing out all the machines just to match. or take off all the panels and send to get them pro painting. where the machines can't run)
I really do not understand why SMW did not bought something like Tsugami TMA08F instead of that Willemin-Macodel. Much larger work envelope, and much cheaper (several 100k less). 408MT is machine ment for making titanium screws and plates to broken bones, dental components, and jewellery. Thats why it has that puny parts bin. SMW aint in those business areas.
Thanks for the shoutout! The new 408MT Neos are really incredible machines!
What a cool machine, thanks for sharing more details about it!
The FireTrace install looks really nice on that machine, super simple, and if you do have a fire it will 100% melt right at the mist collector intake.
Thanks Dan!
Love that you have that 'waterfall' feature installed in the Willemin !
Yea, it looks *awesome*!
I'd love to see Johnny 5 unloading parts
OMG YES!
Friday night and nothing better I'd rather watch after working today. Great stuff John, I was considering a next machine being able to turn with a bar feeder, but this seems more perfect for what I need. Will be looking into Willemin, thx!
Wow John. Looks like an amazing machine. I am really anxious to see some more of your finished parts from the new machine. Looks like a solid investment. I can tell you’re excited about it.. I would guess that more stuff will pop up that you do not realize right now that this machine will be awesome for. Thanks for sharing
I’ve been following Grimsmo for ages in the UK but he’s gone quiet for some reason but luckily I’ve just come across yourselves with this Willemin video so I hit the bell and look forward to following you as well👍
Awesome upgrade John! Just bought our second one. We've had our 508MT2 for over a year and we needed to ramp up production of parts not requiring sub turning, so we got a 408MT too. We make implantable titanium parts. I would be happy to share tips and tricks.
I would highly recommend the Robosuit for the UR. It doesn't take long for cutting fluids to cause problems if you plan on running regular production with it.
This to me is the biggest trade off with the UR cobots. They are easier to program vs their industrial counterparts but they don't resist the fluids and contaminates of a machining environment.
That little Willy costs more than your big okuma? If so that’s crazy!!
Crazy, right?
Not just more, twice as much.
Great video! On your smaller parts tilt the B axis -15 with a brush to reach the jaws above the tube.
So your using it for steel primarily. I thought the chip metallurgy was part of the equation too. Dang, just put #5 to work on that robot work!
What's wrong with the audio ?
A running machine shop is in the background
@Basement_CNC that's not what I mean. It's all distorted. I've watched most of John's videos and this is one of the only videos that has this distortion.
I would assume he is running some sort of noise suppression post processing on the audio.
That's definitely a noise reduction filter. It's annoying, but I'm sure they used it for a reason. Filming in a machine shop SUCKS. Audio is so hard.
Way to make creators feel pleased they took the effort to share 🤦
I'd like to see the pallet jack you say can move that machine around lol.
I have the same problem with nakamuras WY series. It's already an expensive machine meant for lights out production, but they dont go the extra mile to promote that from the factory. I want that unattended time so i dont have talented people unloading parts all day and i want to run simple parts on the weekend i dont need people to even intervene and make small adjustments. In our case the cost addition isnt 15%, but help your customers realize their full potential by offering something from the factory.
What’s kept you with sandvik? When we tested vs iscar and sumitomo it wasn’t close, they were always double the price with lower s&f. Have they been performing better long term? They had a lot of marketing and hype but when we put them side by side they got thrown right out.
You should visit (FKI USA) in Carrollton TX metal manufacturing plant that has in house tooling and die cnc brake press laser, blow, minster and verson stamping presses multiple coil fed and hand transfer production.
More videos!!!!!
I imagine the warranty makes it harder to retrofit a larger tube and part tray instead of adding a robot worth 15% of this already expensive machine. Can't wait to see the capabilities of this machine when its running.
How does the machine ensure that the lugs to keep the tool static for turning operations engage properly? I assume there are slots in the spindle they engage with but you would have to line them up precisely.
The 408 and 508 uses HSK-E40 which are dual contact (engages both the taper and flange) and have a retention knob. The spindle (6th axis "W"), which would hold your turning tool in the HSK-E40, has an index accuracy of +/- 0.02deg. So short answer, the machine does it for you.
John is in his Bob Vila era. If y’all watched it back in the day, you know what I’m talking about out lol.
Must feel like a hell of a purchase. I'd love to know how you justitified one (aprox 400k) purchase v 3 star 32s.
We took a hard look at swiss lathes. They just aren't even close. Swiss lathe would be great for turning-focused, super high volume parts. The willemin is the right fit for us because it has much (MUCH) better milling, and can switch between parts with minimal effort/time.
John, I like your channel but dude, why not just give the price of the investment of the Willemin ? What’s the big secret?
Someone is a wee bit excited about his new toy.
How’s the controller? We have some new doosans with the fanuc I plus and it’s awful. Tons of lag and glitching, black screening and not acknowledging button presses. Hoping they have it solved by now. Love fanuc, hated the controller and its regular malfunctions
Dude it's called uncrating for big toys
Much love
Also your audio is kinda messed up man, idk i'd love to show you how to fix it with minimal effort.
hit me up! DM on insta?
Visit us soon here in Canada John
Might want to relocate that cart sitting and blocking the fire exit...
John did you look at a swiss with programable b axis?
Yes he did, the amount of tool hanger slots on the Willi is more important to him, literally 0 setup time between parts
Also just go listen to the podcast
What @Basement_CNC said. Willemin = minimal/no setup to switch parts. And has a proper, 42k milling spindle. Swiss lathe would be better if we had super high volume parts that were mostly turning.
@@nyccnc right on. Awesome machine John. you are an inspiration to many!
@@Basement_CNC hey basement, I am a longtime fan of both John’s. But life doesn’t always allow for me to listen to podcasts. Especially to find the answer to one question.
What do you program it with?
Autodesk Fusion
Did you consider the dmg ntx 500?
Did you watch the video? He explaind that he dont buy a multus or integrex because of the longer tool change...
I loved that
Swiss quality !
you need to wrap the other machines so they have the same black to white ratio as the willemin have
LOL
@@nyccnc i mean if it can be done so simpley and cheaply ( i mean its way cheaper then changeing out all the machines just to match. or take off all the panels and send to get them pro painting. where the machines can't run)
I really do not understand why SMW did not bought something like Tsugami TMA08F instead of that Willemin-Macodel. Much larger work envelope, and much cheaper (several 100k less). 408MT is machine ment for making titanium screws and plates to broken bones, dental components, and jewellery. Thats why it has that puny parts bin. SMW aint in those business areas.
Does saunders do girl math? If I sell these machines, this machine is cheaper 😂
LOL - it's a fair "criticism" - OTOH, if a business can re-allocate assets to a higher ROI machine, that's 100% legit.
Nice ❤🎉
It's a shame you have to offer the disclaimer that you do not machine firearm parts.
Great video! On your smaller parts tilt the B axis -15 with a brush to reach the jaws above the tube.