I really look forward to your reloading videos, primarily the 6 ARC. You provide a lot of pertinent information and assessment in a very decent length format. I was thinking of trying N540, but perhaps it will be the Staball Match for the next go around. At my age and amount of expendable income I not able to do a whole lot of experimentation, and hence, enjoy the information gleaned from you young bucks on a tear. I live in MT and temperature stability is a prime factor in my decision making.
I tried N540 with the 108 hornady. Velocity, 2680. Accuracy .75" @ 100yds. No pressure. SD 11.2 and ES 21. Not the best, but no pressure. Hoping to get SD around 7 and ES under 15....
Rob reads the comments!!🎉 Thanks man! Just picked up a new 22” Howa Mini in ARC this week. Going to put it into the JTAC Elf Owl Chassis. I believe Hodgdon has load data for the original Staball 6.5 as well.
The 6 ARC was designed for AR15 pressures. A bolt gun can run more pressure without issues. I would run a ladder in .3 increments from 28.5 and look for pressure and velocity spikes.
Working on a 6 mm arc, and the load data as we speak. In a 24" ballistic advantage barrel. Great information brother. Keep it coming thank you very much.
You couldn’t have bought this powder a year ago. It just got released at shot show 2023. It only just hit the shelves in early February 2023. You might be speaking of StaBALL 6.5, not StaBALL Match
@@bthRUBICON OOH MY BAD reg first offered STA-BALL. Is what I have. Your right, I havent even seen or been able to get any of the new staball spinnoff versions.
You a one of the few guy who make videos of reloading pleasant to watch. Calm, no hype, meat n potatoes kind of guy. Keep it that way. The little knowledge in reloading I have (2byrs of 223 stuf) was enough to pushe me to the 6mmARC in AR platform, the bolt gun will eventually come, just not right now. I've educated my self enough to comprehend the safety does and don't, a good thing. Since you rare playing around with staball match you mention powder type as ball. I use as reference the fast to slow chart and what I notice in principle of 223 stuff is stick goes well with 75 and 77gr and powders like 8208XBR varget and the likes. I gather ball works good for lighter projectiles lie 55 to 62 gr and h335 or blc2. Again, in principle, would it be a similar approach in 6ARC projectiles and powder, you ball slow extruded heavy projectiles, etc. Am I on to something that I may have not looked at closer? Your comments and of others are appreciated, thanks. Jerry, Retired military guy.
Thanks for the kind words. However the ball vs. extruded is not quite that simple. Looking at 6 arc most of the extruded powers used are often some of the faster burning powders. A lot of the ball powders used for 6 arc such as CFE223 or Leverevolution are often used with heavy for class projectiles. Both ball powders or extruded powders could be fast or slow depending on the powder. Hornady has some decent free data out for 6 ARC gas and bolt gun and I would reference that. Generally ball powders are temp sensitive, with the exception of the new staball line of powders.
@Rob's Reloading Thank you, I've only reloaded 108 with BLC2 once with inconclusive resutllts, I will repeat. In addition I have ready to shoot a ladder for a 105gr Barnes Match Burners with CFE223, for this load I will pay close attention to performance knowing that this "science" has been reinvented several times, but I must do my own to gain experience. PS, that Hornady powder on the 108s, WOW, is nasty, stinky, and smokey when you compare to anything that can be called a standard common use powder! One good gulp of that and wow, just wow... lol. Good day.
The only thing I don’t like about 6 arc is trying to get a temp stable powder paired with varmint bullets. Having good velocity, good SDs and good accuracy with benchmar and 87 vmax but that’s the only combo I’ve found so far. Thanks for the video
Love your 6 ARC vids. You've put in a ton of work on them. I was running VV N150 behind berger 105 hybrids in mine. Velocity was slow (2600 fps avg) but it was consistent and accurate. Now that my 105 bergers are almost depleted I'm going to try N135 and 90gr eld-x's. (And hornady 105/108's) According to VV the burn rate of N135 is close to RL15 so if I stay under what hornady's book says (going off your one vid, probably at least a grain under book) it should be ok. Of course start low and work up. Kind of difficult to get a good temp stable powder/heavier bullet/good velocity out of ARC. I love the cartridge in a gas gun but holy cow it can be a bit tough to work with.
Ok, went a different route with the 90gr eld-x's. Went with varget and cci 450 primers. Went by the load data from hornady and holy cow, those rounds were bananas! Max charge was 2922 fps! (And this is in a gas gun!) My velocity node came in at 2887 fps. I think for varmint hunting in cooler temps it would be a awesome load. I was wrong about the burn rate on VV N135, it apparently burns like H4895 so I guess I'll try that in .308 for my M1A.
The velocity was a little better than I expected and SD a little more than hoped for. What would you say case fill was with the higher charge? Nearing Compressed? Hopefully you can get near 100% case fill or even slightly compressed before to high of pressure and get lower SD's. Thanks for testing!👍👍
@@RobsReloading Everything so far points to this should be a good choice for the ARC, maybe a tad slow with velocity. But the target is the final judge. In my experience Varget likes 450 primers, I don't know if it would translate over to this powder. Thanks again!
how does the staball match compare to lever with the same charges? I have the savage 110 6 arc 18" Im running 107 smk with 30.4gr of lever at 2769fps. I dont want to lose any speed, but Id love to switch powder for the temp stability.
Burn rate, via Hodgdon: 110 HODGDON VARGET 111 WINCHESTER 748 112 WINCHESTER StaBALL Match 113 HODGDON BL-C(2) 114 VIHTAVUORI N540 115 HODGDON CFE 223 You should get 2,750 fps right around 29 gr of powder. That's via math. Don't shoot ARC myself, but am playing with it in .223/5.56. Density, or case fill, is just about perfect for that caliber. Am in the process of gauging velocities myself atm.
How has your brass life been? I’ve got a 110 switchback in 6arc as well and seem to be smoking primer pockets. I’m thinking about dropping to the 52k psi charges to try to save brass because I haven’t even been pushing max loads with the bolt gun data.
I did some playing around with this powder in 5.56 with 77 noslers and never saw pressure signs but it didnt seem to be any more temp stable than ramshot tac and found no accuracy. I dont think there is anything special about this powder.
@@RobsReloading it did not look like your brass was annealed when zoomed in on a loaded round. If your not annealing after every firing you will get inconsistent velocities.
I really look forward to your reloading videos, primarily the 6 ARC. You provide a lot of pertinent information and assessment in a very decent length format. I was thinking of trying N540, but perhaps it will be the Staball Match for the next go around. At my age and amount of expendable income I not able to do a whole lot of experimentation, and hence, enjoy the information gleaned from you young bucks on a tear. I live in MT and temperature stability is a prime factor in my decision making.
I had really good luck with N540. I think I tried it with the 112 match burner, but it should work well with the 105-108 class bullets as well
I tried N540 with the 108 hornady. Velocity, 2680. Accuracy .75" @ 100yds. No pressure. SD 11.2 and ES 21. Not the best, but no pressure. Hoping to get SD around 7 and ES under 15....
Rob reads the comments!!🎉
Thanks man! Just picked up a new 22” Howa Mini in ARC this week. Going to put it into the JTAC Elf Owl Chassis.
I believe Hodgdon has load data for the original Staball 6.5 as well.
One of these days I'm going to do a Howa mini in 6.5 Grendel! Love my arc in the MDT chassis.
I love this powder. Got great results in 308 with 178ELD.
What’s your velocity, and barrel length?
@@Durdy308 haven’t chrono’d it yet
I really liked Staball 6.5, so I've been eyeing this powder; thank you for doing this video!
I liked Staball 6.5 as well. I'm optimistic about Staball Match
Love your setup! Wish I had a place to shoot that good!
Nice to see this new offering getting some tests. I have a lb myself to test side by side to Varget and Shooters World Precision in my 6 Arc gasser.
Hopefully you will work up a good load using the staball match in combo with the Hornady 103, 105, 108 gr bullets......
You put out great videos! ! !
My supply of the Hornady 108eld is running low but hopefully soon we will try some more projectiles. Going to try staball match in my 6 GT as well.
The 6 ARC was designed for AR15 pressures. A bolt gun can run more pressure without issues. I would run a ladder in .3 increments from 28.5 and look for pressure and velocity spikes.
Found you from Johnny’s Reloading Bench, like the videos.
Working on a 6 mm arc, and the load data as we speak. In a 24" ballistic advantage barrel. Great information brother. Keep it coming thank you very much.
Excellent. Thanks a bundle. Not terrible. Hope this is a good powder that is readily available.
I still havwnt tried the first two bottles I bought over a year ago.
You couldn’t have bought this powder a year ago. It just got released at shot show 2023. It only just hit the shelves in early February 2023. You might be speaking of StaBALL 6.5, not StaBALL Match
@@bthRUBICON OOH MY BAD reg first offered STA-BALL. Is what I have. Your right, I havent even seen or been able to get any of the new staball spinnoff versions.
You a one of the few guy who make videos of reloading pleasant to watch. Calm, no hype, meat n potatoes kind of guy. Keep it that way. The little knowledge in reloading I have (2byrs of 223 stuf) was enough to pushe me to the 6mmARC in AR platform, the bolt gun will eventually come, just not right now. I've educated my self enough to comprehend the safety does and don't, a good thing. Since you rare playing around with staball match you mention powder type as ball. I use as reference the fast to slow chart and what I notice in principle of 223 stuff is stick goes well with 75 and 77gr and powders like 8208XBR varget and the likes. I gather ball works good for lighter projectiles lie 55 to 62 gr and h335 or blc2. Again, in principle, would it be a similar approach in 6ARC projectiles and powder, you ball slow extruded heavy projectiles, etc. Am I on to something that I may have not looked at closer? Your comments and of others are appreciated, thanks. Jerry, Retired military guy.
Thanks for the kind words. However the ball vs. extruded is not quite that simple. Looking at 6 arc most of the extruded powers used are often some of the faster burning powders. A lot of the ball powders used for 6 arc such as CFE223 or Leverevolution are often used with heavy for class projectiles. Both ball powders or extruded powders could be fast or slow depending on the powder. Hornady has some decent free data out for 6 ARC gas and bolt gun and I would reference that. Generally ball powders are temp sensitive, with the exception of the new staball line of powders.
@Rob's Reloading Thank you, I've only reloaded 108 with BLC2 once with inconclusive resutllts, I will repeat. In addition I have ready to shoot a ladder for a 105gr Barnes Match Burners with CFE223, for this load I will pay close attention to performance knowing that this "science" has been reinvented several times, but I must do my own to gain experience. PS, that Hornady powder on the 108s, WOW, is nasty, stinky, and smokey when you compare to anything that can be called a standard common use powder! One good gulp of that and wow, just wow... lol. Good day.
The only thing I don’t like about 6 arc is trying to get a temp stable powder paired with varmint bullets. Having good velocity, good SDs and good accuracy with benchmar and 87 vmax but that’s the only combo I’ve found so far. Thanks for the video
DEFINITELY interested to see how tight you can get these groups. Having something more temp testable than my leverevolution loads would be rad.
Love your 6 ARC vids. You've put in a ton of work on them. I was running VV N150 behind berger 105 hybrids in mine. Velocity was slow (2600 fps avg) but it was consistent and accurate. Now that my 105 bergers are almost depleted I'm going to try N135 and 90gr eld-x's. (And hornady 105/108's) According to VV the burn rate of N135 is close to RL15 so if I stay under what hornady's book says (going off your one vid, probably at least a grain under book) it should be ok. Of course start low and work up. Kind of difficult to get a good temp stable powder/heavier bullet/good velocity out of ARC. I love the cartridge in a gas gun but holy cow it can be a bit tough to work with.
Ok, went a different route with the 90gr eld-x's. Went with varget and cci 450 primers. Went by the load data from hornady and holy cow, those rounds were bananas! Max charge was 2922 fps! (And this is in a gas gun!) My velocity node came in at 2887 fps. I think for varmint hunting in cooler temps it would be a awesome load. I was wrong about the burn rate on VV N135, it apparently burns like H4895 so I guess I'll try that in .308 for my M1A.
morning Rob 🌄
Just started using the staball HD in my 6 5prc bergara hmr with 147eldms, .5 to .8 groups so far at .040 off and 2900fps ish but think it'll go faster
Would be cool if we could see this in action with your 6 GT, maybe the heavier bullet options with Staball Match and GT? Just a thought.
Its going to happen! Staball match should be perfect for 6 GT, just a little slower than Varget!
The velocity was a little better than I expected and SD a little more than hoped for. What would you say case fill was with the higher charge? Nearing Compressed? Hopefully you can get near 100% case fill or even slightly compressed before to high of pressure and get lower SD's. Thanks for testing!👍👍
Yes very close to a compressed charge. I think we are going to hit max pressure right at a full case with this powder and 6 arc.
@@RobsReloading Everything so far points to this should be a good choice for the ARC, maybe a tad slow with velocity. But the target is the final judge. In my experience Varget likes 450 primers, I don't know if it would translate over to this powder. Thanks again!
i just got this powder
how does the staball match compare to lever with the same charges? I have the savage 110 6 arc 18"
Im running 107 smk with 30.4gr of lever at 2769fps. I dont want to lose any speed, but Id love to switch powder for the temp stability.
What is your opinion of the Staball powders (Match, 6.5 and HD). Do you think they will be alternative powders for Varget, H4350, or Retumbo?
I doubt these will end up being as successful as Varget, h1k or 4350. I'm hopefull they will be successful temp stable ball powders.
According to hogdon all of their data is developed in bolt or lever action guns
What length of barrel are you using?
22"
Burn rate, via Hodgdon:
110 HODGDON VARGET
111 WINCHESTER 748
112 WINCHESTER StaBALL Match
113 HODGDON BL-C(2)
114 VIHTAVUORI N540
115 HODGDON CFE 223
You should get 2,750 fps right around 29 gr of powder. That's via math.
Don't shoot ARC myself, but am playing with it in .223/5.56. Density, or case fill, is just about perfect for that caliber. Am in the process of gauging velocities myself atm.
Thanks I did not see this updated burn rate chart!
How has your brass life been? I’ve got a 110 switchback in 6arc as well and seem to be smoking primer pockets. I’m thinking about dropping to the 52k psi charges to try to save brass because I haven’t even been pushing max loads with the bolt gun data.
Currently at 4x firing and have had to trash some due to loose primer pockets. I'd be surprised if I get more than 5x.
If you have been using Hornady load data for 6mm ARC that is not surprising. Hornady's data is too hot
I did some playing around with this powder in 5.56 with 77 noslers and never saw pressure signs but it didnt seem to be any more temp stable than ramshot tac and found no accuracy. I dont think there is anything special about this powder.
What bullet and powder combination has shown the best results ? Wanna run 105 +
108 eld-m with varget did very well!
4x fired brass…..do you anneal after each firing?
Yes
@@RobsReloading it did not look like your brass was annealed when zoomed in on a loaded round. If your not annealing after every firing you will get inconsistent velocities.
You should try accurate 2460. It's almost the same thing
2460 is temp stable?
It’s a temp stable as every other accurate powder. Which means they suck
@@Rushshooting67913 that's what I thought.
@@RobsReloading 👍