Hi, thank you for sharing your perspective. There are a lot of important topics that are timely to address. While there won’t be one blanket rule that works for every one / every family, and we’ll never fully know someone’s context and circumstance, we can find measures and best practices that better safeguard children’s well-being. Looking forward to continuing the convo. 💜
Alyson THANK YOU 🙏🏻 you are incredibly courageous (in addition to being such a talented icon ♥️💃🏻) and I pray you’ve helped to inspire a true sea change here.
Yeah. My parents made sure they had as many privacy settings on fb and never friended people they didn't know. Because they didn't want us kids to have people snooping on us
@Noelle Alexandria NoelleXandria on Insta-Onlyfans that’s a very good point I’ve never thought about it that way. We tend not to think about it this way when we’re looking at people who we deem good parents (not these major family channels like Ace family or Labrant) who are just sharing their cute kids activities like on tik tok. The vids are cute, the kids look well taken care of and it can bring a smile to our faces but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s their 2 year old kid on the internet forever and a 2 year old can’t consent.
its so disgusting to me when family channels exploit their pre teen daughters especially. They post "she got her first period" or "shopping for her first bra." I cant imagine going through puberty online for millions to see.
Girl when I first read this I thought you were exaggerating and then I looked it up and saw a TON of videos like that. I feel like I might be sick, that’s so sad!!
@@cjboyo I have endometriosis and my periods as a teenager were horrific the idea my mum would put that online is unfathomable. These family blogging parents are avaricious, narcissistic and without conscience
And the thing is, if the parents GENUINELY wanted to give advice to other parents on how to talk to/deal with their daughters puberty journey, they could easily do a q&a that doesn’t include humiliating the child on camera 😒 and ask the kid what they’re comfortable sharing
The idea that kids have no option but to be recorded everyday, watched by millions and picked apart by complete strangers on the internet will NEVER sit right with me. Makes me so uncomfortable.
In a few years were going to start seeing a lot of young adults going into intensive therapy in order to deal with it. Well, hopefully they'll get therapy.
I think there’s going to be hundreds of new therapies and studies done about the “social media generation” tbh, it’s very like child stars but even worse and they’re not even playing characters, they’re just themselves and still open to all that criticism and cruelty.
And, when the children are older, they realize what’s actually happening. You can actually see that older children (usually 10-12) become uncomfortable with talking to the camera, or they try to stay away from it as much as possible. Family channels are so chilling to me because of that.
And these parents have the audacity to say they are the breadwinners. By broadcasting the kids' private lives online? lmfao Even child actors get paid for their professional work and have none of their private lives uploaded for anyone to see Let's use the same logic and not pay any actors salary of any kind from now on? Only pay the video makers / producers? Their entitlement is jaw dropping
Right could you imagine how much this could effect these children mentally: breeding no sense of reality, entitlement, narcissism, low self esteem, warped self worth, etc. There are so many mentally challenging situations that can arise from growing up behind a camera. UA-cam should really be ashamed of themselves perpetuating a whole new level of child stardom that can seriously destroy children and families. I know that they can’t control everything people post but they really need to step in and monitor the new situations of child exploitation that is arising from their platform. The ace family is the scariest example of what we all see as a ticking time bomb. Although I do believe parents should have the power in raising their own children using their children as their main source of income is not right. Parents should be parents not literal slave drivers and I think their should be some sort of foundation that youtube sets up to be an out for these kids... they should have lawyers ready to fight for these kids if things ever get hairy, which I’m sure we all know they will.
The "kids benefit from this as much as the parents" argument smacks a lot of my abusive parents telling me my non-physical needs didn't need to be met because "I put a roof over your head and food on your plate."
Isn't that just the most garbage thing, too? It's pretty much a human version of the wire mother vs the cloth mother experiment. Yeah, it's great to have food and a roof and whatnot. But want to be treated with any humanity or start to fight back against the manipulation and abuse then suddenly you're an ungrateful brat and everyone on the outside will agree because it looks like you're being taken care of. Who cares if the kids benefit financially, or materialistically? None of that matters when their parents expose them to dangerous situations or treat them as less than human. Exploitation is exploitation, and it's not ok in any case, especially from.oarents to their children.
Makes me think of Austin McBroom yelling profanities at his wife and daughters when he "didn't like the way his hair looked in the video". Yeah, those girls really benefit as much as their parents. Sure thing.
I got that from my parents a lot. And guilt tripped if I was emotional whatsoever growing up. I never knew it wasn’t normal until I would tell friends and my fiancé about how I was treated as a child lol
Raven Symoné said she has every bit of her Cosby money. Her parents never spent it and now she continues to use it as investment. She had some good parents.
It’s always good to hear positive stories. But the problem is, even if her parents were model parents, there are still all the exploitative, parasitic people, companies and systems of the industry that prey on children.
It annoys me endlessly that a lot of family vloggers are faith based. And therefore think they have the moral high ground on everything, but then go and exploit their children on the Internet. It’s creepy that parents profit so much off their children but also UA-cam & other social media platforms profit so much off of their child employees. Great video, Hannah. I can’t wait to see this series. I think it will really make a big wave in trying to change some of the things that are behind the times in protecting children on the Internet. Hopefully other content creators will continue to speak up about this too.
I wish I could say there wasn't a history of gross abuse against children in Christianity, but unfortunately, I cannot. I can say that in any place where children are vulnerable to adults, there will be those looking to exploit them. A loving, trusting community of believers in the same protecting God is the perfect place for a sicko to prey on children who are thought to be safe in the church, which is considered family to most. But this attracts those who wish to take advantage of these perhaps willfully ignorant parents who leave their children with virtual strangers, believing the Church is a safe place and all in its walls are trustworthy, as Christians of the same faith. When I was around 4-5 I was almost abducted by such a sicko. I noticed a man following me and I started running and he started following me faster, so I panicked and ran for my life through the church and to where I knew my parents would be after the service. I pointed to the man as soon as I got to my dad but he saw us. He ran and other members chased him to try to stop him but he got in his car and ran as quick as he could, too quick for anyone to get a plate number. This was the 90's, so no video cameras, this wasn't the kind of church to put security cameras outside (we did in inner-city churches tho). So I agree 100%! It makes good-hearted, normal Christians look bad, which is the majority, I believe. I am not a Christian but I was raised that way. Although I dislike and downright hate aspects of the various churches and Christians I was exposed to for 18 years, I met many who were truly just doing right by their souls and by the world. Kindness and generosity were the kind of Christians I mostly met, but the negative tends to outweigh the positive when kids are getting hurt. The fact remains that a lot of sects of Christianity believe in a physical or emotional "discipline" that is outright abuse. There was even a man who wrote a book on how to abuse your child to make them "a god-fearing Christian" and it was on Amazon for five years. They had ten foster and adopted kids, and when someone on Tumblr finally found this book by sheer chance, they instantly put up a petition, raised awareness, and this man and his wife were arrested and the children saved. Not to mention the book was taken off of Amazon. It was a huge thing in the early 2010s (can't remember, I'm old). I have no defense of these "faith-based" bloggers... what does that even mean? Faith-based... What faith? It's so egotistical to imply that your faith as a white, middle-class, Christian in a specific church/sect of Christianity is the only faith, and to then go hurt children? I guess the Bible does have plenty of examples of child abuse, and of course, "Honor thy Father and Mother", which many take to mean, "my child must worship me and do everything I say or they are going to hell". I hope these kids get out and are happy and safe someday.
If any of you have watched wife swap, then you know it’s about families with different lifestyles/beliefs that exchange moms for a few days and learn about each other and themselves. One time they had a family who were family vloggers and the “new mom” made them have no internet for a week or however long it is. At the end, one of the girls who was about 10 years old said to her “I’m not ready for you to leave. I feel better not being on camera. I feel more confident.” It broke my heart because I don’t know if those parents stopped. And she wasn’t a three year old who likes anyone who gives her a cookie, she is a fully conscious person with her own opinions and ideas.
The fact the a 10 year old is worrying about confidence issues breaks my heart. ESPECIALLY when the root of the issue is found through the mother whose supposed to protect her children and show them how to love themselves smh. I hope she stopped
I'll never forget seeing a clip from I think 8 Passengers (it was in a Hailey Elizabeth video) where one of the sons said he literally doesn't have any friends at school because of the family channel and my heart broke. So many of these kids are probably getting bullied in person as well as online and it's awful
Think about the kids who are self-aware about their own exploitation, but feel like they can’t speak up in fear of ruining their parents’ careers, causing financial loss for their family, etc... what immense pressure to have as a child
8 passengers. Mostly the older kids you can tell from how they look at the camera and every now and then say stuff softly or quietly like they're scared of speaking up fully.
I’m kind of at a breaking point. I really don’t believe people should be posting their underage kids. Mostly because they arent able to consent in a way that helps them understand the full scope of the consequences of being on the internet. They aren’t cognitively developed enough and rely on their parents to make the beat decisions for their health and safety. Thanks for bringing attention to this topic!
I absolutely agree. Like even with normal people. I understand that parents want to show their kids off, but I think there needs to be some kind of limit. Parents should not be able to post every second of their kids’ lives online for anyone to see. I’m embarrassed enough when my dad posts a throw back picture of me on Facebook from when I was a little kid and those are all digitized versions of actual physical pictures because social media wasn’t a thing when I was little. I cannot fathom how these kids are going to feel when they grow up and realize their parents have plastered their entire childhoods onto the internet for anyone to see.
It depends on how kids are posted and why. Children can’t consent to vaccines, yet I’m sure you favor making kids get them. There’s a lot kids can’t consent to, and as long as it’s not actively harmful, then it’s up for their adults to decide for them, and no, the internet isn’t inherently harmful. But there’s a difference between posting pics from a family vacation on your Instagram and the kids are in a few pics versus actively broadcasting their lives to make money. As far as understanding the full scope, most young adults don’t understand the full scope either. Just turning 18 and no longer being a minor doesn’t impart you with the wisdom of years of adult experience and a brain that’s finished developing yet absolutely every young person whose brains are still developing think they’re the exception, the mature one, the smart one, which, ironically, is a sign of continued immaturity. You don’t know enough yet to know how much you don’t know.
@@jasminelambert3753 There was a video on YT by the New York Times where kids were confronting their parents about posting videos and images of them without their consent, even on their private pages. It was so interesting because these were probably Gen Z - Gen Alpha kids and they were genuinely uncomfortable and wanted things to be deleted but some parents just didnt understand where they were coming from. Definitely a conversation that needs to be had within each individual family.
I love how youtube went overboard flagging and taking down videos to "protect" the children, even demonetizing doll customizing videos because they were flagged as for kids and screwing over those content creators in the process, but apparently does nothing when it comes to children being exploited on family channels.
Jenette Mccurdy made the same comments about how she was the sole breadwinner for her family and that she was pushed into acting. It's sad how often this is an occurrence. Thank you for using your platform to better society.
When I used to cry my mum would video me and say she was going to show it to her friends if I didn't stop. It filled me with so much dread. I imagine family channels to be like that but on a massive level. It makes me so angry
I'm so sorry that happened to you, that's horrible. I know how shitty it is when you can't be vulnerable with the person who's supposed to be your safe place. Sending you lots of love and light, darling.
My father did basically that exact thing to me (along with other verbal and physical abuse) and I feel like that had a huge impact on my anxiety around people. When she brought that aspect of it up, it definitely struck a chord with me too. Sorry you had to go through that.
It is really bizarre but at the end of the day what else can you expect. They are people with huge egos hungry for fame and money, so much so they put their own kids lives and futures at risk.
@@saigeferko6035 ikr?! Like now that I'm a teenager it's fun to look at baby pictures/videos and share them with my friends, but the idea of millions of people seeing me grow up is terrifying.
@@JaseekaRawr parents can't be on set all the time, they have jobs and, like people have mentioned, some parents are abusive and exploitative I don't have much experience in the entertainment industry, but I did intern on the costuming team for a play by a major theatre with a child actor(I think he was 10 or 11). His parents were around sometimes but not all the time, everyone I saw treated him really well, but there was someone whose job was just to take care of him. I think she was legally required to be there. Directors and stage managers are focused on rehearsal and the artistic process and making sure everything goes smoothly, so this woman (I don't remember her exact job title) can remind them of how much time the child actor has left in rehearsal, enforcing the laws if the creative team wants just a little bit longer, make sure the costume fittings respect his privacy, just be someone who the child can talk to if anything makes them uncomfortable or if they need anything People early in their entertainment career (myself included) want to be well-liked, want to have a good reputation so we can continue getting hired in an industry that is more competitive and more reliant on networking than most. Add to that the naivety of childhood, the lack of life experience that helps older people recognize when someone is mistreating them, then you have child actors in a very vulnerable position, regardless of anyone else's good intentions. Sorry this got really long, I'm just really passionate about this topic I don't want to call out Jaseeka Rawr specifically, I just went on a rant about the situation as a whole
@Shailyn B. Grew up watching and following Jennette throughout the years. She has a podcast on her experiences with child acting,eating disorders, and her mom having cancer and pushing her to act. Podcast is called Empty Inside.
@@ShailynCummings hi. Just been out in the pouring rain walking my dog! I saw an interview on Slo4n's channel with Jenette. I also partly watched an interview on Jenette's own channel with a woman from Australia. It's called 'Toxic Mothers,' which is also really interesting. I'm watching it in bits because it's also really disturbing. I have two kids (23 and 16) and I couldn't imagine treating them so badly (even when they've been at their absolute worst.) I think it's possible her mother was unable to show love i.e. a raving narcissist!
i get embarrassed whenever my parents post pics and videos of me now, and im an adult. i cant imagine having my childhood (+ most embarrassing moments) online where millions of people could watch that
Yes - I was growing up like as social media was becoming more popular and the pressure that young kids in the early ‘aughts had combined with our parents just putting all the photos and posts out to their friends was damaging to many of my friends and stuff so I can’t even IMAGINE having your whole life good and bad from infancy uploaded for millions of people to see.
I see a lot of family vlog channels post videos about how their babies had a massive blow up in public, or talk about how their kid screamed in public or such. For a long time I used to think “oh this is so cute lol” and not think much of it. Then I imagined how embarrassing it would be for me to go to school knowing that everyone in my class had access to videos of me as a baby having a temper tantrum or a blow out. The idea of my whole class having complete access to every embarrassing baby moment mortified me, and I realized that this is what the children of family vlogs are facing. That is when my opinion of them changed.
This is a wider issue with the general population as well. Almost everyone shares pictures of their children on social media often publicly. I personally don't think that's right.
@@fraxinus_ash do you think parents should simply not post their kids on social media, or do you simply want more restrictions? (I’m not disagreeing with you, I just genuinely want to hear your opinion)
As a Child Psychology Grad I couldn't agree more with your thoughts on this. Children deserve privacy and cannot consent to being broadcasted to the world
It's sad and crazy to me that these kids are born into this most of the time. They don't even realize it isn't normal, or that they have other options. To them, having a camera constantly in their face, posing for thumbnails, reshooting "organic" moments, and having millions of people view and comment on your personal life is just... life to them.
Emmy Made in Japan is my favorite UA-cam mom. She's never shown more than her kids' hands on camera and refers to them simply based on their current age range
UA-camrs should be famous becoz of their own talent & hard work. Don't understand why moms can't make their own content but have to use the kids' live (or the people's around them) for views. How pathetic can one get if the only thing they have to show for is kids' private lives.
@@birdieculture i do think content about being a mom/parenting is good because it can be quite an isolating experience for new parents so sharing that is important. That being said, i don’t think it’s safe to put your children at the front and centre and I think they should do what Emmy does and feature them very little/what they feature is not easily identifiable
@@rebecca9103 Emmy is great, she makes her own content rather than using the kids / other people in her life for videos unless its clearly with their consent. I do understand parenthood can be isolating but using that as an excuse to make content out of people is unacceptable. People can be "isolated" at home and make millions online these days, if people don't wanna do what Emmy does, i.e. food content, they can make handcraft, knitting, language videos, songs etc. Its no excuse to use other people's private lives as content even 10 years ago
@@rebecca9103 yeah! Parenting channels can talk about parenting and being a mother/father/parent without necessarily showing their kids. It’s a channel for adults to relate on the adult experience of raising children. I think I have seen some channels but I can’t think of them ... where they talk about parenting but do not show their kids. it’s definitely doable, except that cute kids get more views ... 🙃 I love watching videos of kids being kids, but as a teacher, child safety, security and well being is always at the forefront to me!! I even feel uncomfortable photographing my class or sharing photos of my students with people outside our school unless their parents have signed or approved that we can. You never know who may be out there and I would never risk another person’s or my own child!! (I also have my thoughts on the trend of teacher tik tok channels that feature students .... ) I love Emmy’s video and getting to hear her kids and see their little hands when they’re doing projects together warms my heart enough! ❤️ and it feels less awful to know that those kids have a limited public image at their age, they can just be kids and Emmy can have her channel where she does her own thing! I have followed her since her pregnancies too and yeah, love her channel for so so so many reasons!!
I used to be a child actor in Asia and quit because there were so many sexual predators in the industry and thankfully my parents were very quick to let me leave and have a normal life instead. There are so many kids that continue to be exploited and there is just so much abuse of all kinds so I’m just very glad you’re doing this and that we’re bringing about change.
Hannah isn’t causing chance. She’s amplifying family vloggers, making money off their children just as they are. Even negative publicity if publicity. Every sing.e family vloggers I know about I was introduced to from people like Hannah. Claiming to be against something she’s actively making money off of is performative, not sincere.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Her main objective in making videos such as this one isn't to make money, it's to raise awareness for serious problems. Sure she is making money from making these videos. Everyone needs a stable income in order to live. But she didn't make this video with bad intentions. It isn't fair to characterize her as a hypocrite when she clearly is not.
@@KK-ed9vk because youtube is her livelihood. Her doing the research and recording the videos is work, and like how every job, she should be compensated for it. It's how a job works.
I remember one of the kids from that 8 Passengers family saying they have no friends and I felt so bad. Some of the kids probably get bullied due to the content they’re posting online. The control and power the parents have over the children grows even more when they don’t have other support systems
That’s so sad :( tbh the whole family of 8 Passengers scares me because the parents treat their children terribly like severe punishments to the son for a pretty harmless prank and letting their 5 year old go hungry because she forgot to pack their food ...idk if they’ve changed but either way, the fact they publicize those as parenting tactics concern me
She also said she’s kicking the kids out at 18 too 😞 she’s literally getting rid of them once they aren’t profitable. She’s also keeping all of the money for herself
@@Puppetmaster-pm7yp You know what the saddest part is? Those kids will probably want to literally *run* from that household, probably even before they're 18, because of the abuse from the parents. 😭 I left my parent's house at age 16 for that reason. Life was insanely hard being on my own at such a young age, too. I wish their parents treated those kids properly. I hate seeing children suffer, especially when it's so unnecessary. 😭 So unfair. The kids deserve justice of some kind, seriously.
Also moms of disabled children posting vidips of their kids having meltdowns or in distress because they think it's "educational" it's so horrible for the privacy of the kids
And then on the other hand, there’s LoveLogan07 and dubfrost who actually raise awareness of their kids conditions (without posting them in vulnerable moments). Might be different for them though because their kids have terminal illnesses and won’t make it past their teeens. Totally different when it’s them filming their autistic kids having a meltdown.
As an autistic person, my parents have filmed my meltdowns when I was a kid. They never posted them but I just wish they would delete those videos. I hate to watch home videos just to be reminded of how severe my condition was when I was a kid. It’s deeply traumatic for me to re-experience.
Fathering Autism is a great example of this. That whole channel is so problematic I don’t even know where to begin. That poor girl. She deserves human dignity and she will never be able to consent to what they are doing to her. It’s so clear that she doesn’t like what they are doing, but here they are getting rich.
I remember watching The Truman show in the late 90s and it was about this man being exploited by reality TV show. Who would have thought that 21 years later this is what parents would knowingly and willingly sign their children up to do.
I saw something where a teenager stuck in this situation got a custom t shirt made saying "I do not consent to being filmed or photographed." Because her parents refused to stop. It's sad she had to do that, but it's also a really smart way to push against the constant vlogging.
I actually appreciate how many times you noted the “millions and millions” of dollars these parents make. It actually drove home the concept that this is such a power abuse in so many ways. I support this movement towards change fully!
I remember seeing the SacconeJolys new Surrey mansion in a tv show in the UK and knowing all of this came off of those kids and yet, they refuse to stop filming even if the kids don't want to film breaks my heart
Yep. Trinity and Beyond is a kid's channel that seems to show this. They've moved twice since starting the channel - each time to a bigger house. Dad has a Lamborgini and Mom drives a Tesla - and I'm thinking that these aren't the only cars they own.
Not to mention like I can't imagine how it must feel when your parents do something nice for you e.g. throw you a birthday party. Is it for me, or is it for the vlog?
This is such an important topic! Another thing that I think would be helpful is to implement mandatory “vacation” days each month for children on these channels, so they can have a break from being filmed. “Normal” jobs require vacation days, and I think it’s even more important for these kids to get a break.
Filming ur kids, especially their personal lives & experiences, w the specific intent to publicize/monetize it for millions of strangers to watch is SO massively different from uploading short, spontaneous & _appropriate_ cute/funny kids moments ("ow, charlayyy!") from *true* _home_ videos, filmed w sole purpose of family memories.
@@teresamckeown5594 agreed!! However, one caveat i would add is that, within the 2nd scenario i described, i do believe that there are some instances/ways of ethical monetization. For example, the "David After Dentist" family sold tshirts based off the viral clip, a portion of the proceeds was donated to dental charities, the rest went straight into David's bank account. They didn't look at David suddenly as a cash cow to keep milking past the organically made moment. They let David & their family enjoy & benefit from their 15min of fame, then left it at that & went back to their normal, private lives. I've noticed a lot of the ppl who they or their kids or pets etc go viral for funny/cute pics or vids but had zero intention or thought of going viral, are the ones most grounded & who use their moments in the spotlight most positively & ethically
Can you do a video on teen idols? There's so much to unpack there. People always predicting their downfall, the struggle to transition into adulthood, parents who get angry when they grow up and call them a "bad influence" even though it's not their job. It's your job to be your kids influence.
The Dad Challenge Podcast channel has a whole playlist about “taking down family vloggers”. He’s been working on this very topic and seeking change for at least a year now.
I think it was on his podcast that he made the very apt comparison to having a private room with a one way mirror that anyone can access in a daycare. Like, would you let your child go there knowing anyone can privately watch your kid at any time? It's sickening that these vloggers allow that to happen on such a large scale.
In one of Tiffany Ferg's recent videos she mentioned at the end that UA-camrs should explore unionizing. UA-cam is employment for many people, so unionizing and creating labor laws could be a great step in setting child labor laws within this industry
I often think it would be interesting to speak to the kids from John and Kate plus 8, they were one of the first generations of kids where this lifestyle was forced upon them and as we know, ended in a mess.
This is a seriously good example. That show was just a high quality family channel that was put on tv and we’ve been able to witness how much damage it did to those peoples lives
Yeah it's scary that they're missing out on interaction outside their household for the sake of money. They should at least be allowed to build a social circle of their own and have the conventional education experience as an option
Therapist here. Yes to ever damn second of this video. The exploitation and long term impacts of having to be so visible and manufactured are horrific and if we can protect kids from this we should.
Can we also talk about how hard lockdown must be for these kids, depending on where you live, they couldn't have a break from the camera and their parents for at least a whole year. I really feel for them because it must be really mentally and emotionally exhausting, especially when dealing with processing the pandemic.
:( imagine the unhealthy bribes and or the things parents/momangers do to encourage their kids to get infront of the camera when they really don’t want to. Coz I sure as shit know my 9yo son or any of his friends wouldn’t willingly spend even half the time infront of the camera, the mental health of these kids will be impacted far greater then these parents would admit to themselves.
Some family channels already have teenagers who say, on camera, that they have no friends and are being bullied because of the content their parents post. I forgot their name but there is that family who took away their teenage sons bed and none of their kids were allowed to have phones and the teenage kids all hated being part of a family channel
The whole “home video argument” thing, I don’t know who would film their children’s “first period” “first bra shopping” or “potty training. To be a home video, it’s just weird if parents films this stuff and watches it back. That just weird
Lots of people don't think before having kids. Many have them as retirement plan, income, source of pride etc actually. Its been like this for a long time unfortunately.
Right and I don’t like the precedent it sets for regular families. Seeing as how UA-cam is so accessible to the every day person, anybody with a camera can just record their kid then take it out on them for not hitting it big. All these non-influencer families could pressure their kids even worse because they want a viral hit. “Why don’t you act cute like the ACE family kids” I mean imagine.
Lol, this is funny to me. Not that I don’t agree with, but in a healthy parent l/child relationship, it should literally be children getting milk from parents.
I think an interesting case to look at would be the Bratayley family. They were huge and super popular and they went through so much I feel like one talks about them. It’s also interesting that the mom said “the day (the girls) don’t want to vlog we will stop” and they did. It would be very interesting to look into.
Literally the worst case of a family channel tht legit made me cry was the Daddy of 5 channel. Nerd city did a great series of videos on it that hit the mark on how awful audiences of these channels can feed an already abusive home. UA-cam did nothing until it was too late but even then... just took down their channel
There's something I always say about this: you can protect a child from an acting job, from a corporation even, but how do you protect them from their own parents? Who can confirm that these parents are respecting their kids' times, when don't want to film, when they don't want to do a sponsorship? Who can confirm that these parents aren't putting the money first and their kids second?
you are so right. people all talk about stranger danger, but kids are most vulnerable within their families, especially isolated nuclear families. because their parents are the people most likely to abuse them. they know all their kids' vulnerabilities and have the authority to control them, and society supports it.
One of the saddest things is that psychologists, particularly child psychologists are already trying to warn the parents. One said it isn't even like living in a glass house, where people can drive by and look, because it's constant, everything is seen. Also, so much of your consent point made me think of 8 Passengers. Those kids have SAID they want to stop, and she posts them saying it! They tell her they have no friends because of the channel, that they're picked on. And the mother just sits there!
I could not imagine growing up in front of an audience. The mental trauma those kids may or may not have when they grow older and truly realize what they're parents have done to them.
I swear Russell on the 8 Passengers channel is developing some kind of anxiety problems/already prone to it and filming is making it worse from how often he's seen crying and having a meltdown/ getting frustrated and how often he gets set off. Him and Eve, the two youngest were pretty much raised in front of the camera and you can tell. Looking directly into the camera, knowing how to act when the older kids don't seem too happy to be filmed (just what Ive noticed from other videos on them)
The Dad Challenge Podcast is huge on exposing family channels, and protecting children. He has a lot of in-depth videos that I would recommend checking out for your series!
I just went down the rabbit hole of family bloggers, specifically Ryan’s world. Once I found out they put out a video almost everyday on top of his own tv show + toy line my heart broke :( I’m so glad you’re taking the initiative to start this movement bc I felt helpless with all the information I found. I hope this ignites the change and will be sharing this on every platform!
I was telling my brother (has no kids) about how obsessed my son was with Ryan and how we had to block all Ryan content. Brother went and watched a couple episodes of the show he has on Hulu and he said “this kid never shows friends, he doesn’t go to school, and he only plays with his parents who only let him win”. I was like...yup. Exactly.
The Kardashians don't let their children watch their show...and they have said that when the kids inevitably do see the show when they are older they will just tell them it's not true. I can't even imagine how mentally jarring it has been for those kids to grow up in a house that is always filled with camera crews and staff for the show. I mean did they get to even be kids?....Ever?
I feel like the internet owes the Olsen twins an apology. people constantly made fan of how they looked and acted. People made fun of her when the sisters talked about how awful it was to work as children, just because they were rich. If you see how many projects they have been part of since their toddler days, it is actually insane. I am so glad their sister Elizabeth Olsen came to the industry after studying acting, as an adult. Not as a child star.
I was a semi child star, not really a star but I did musical theater and was hired professionally for chorus jobs as a kid. I’ve gotten my phone away for threatening to quit or having a bad rehearsal. I never got to quit on my own will until I turned 18.
When Jonbenet Ramsay was murdered, many of us thought that maybe it would be the end of exploiting children for the sake of entertainment. But it's gotten SO much worse. 😞
Honestly, this seems revolutionary on the UA-cam commentary community! Everybody likes to say what the problem is with family Vloggers but nobody offers up any type of solution that can lead to quantifiable actions. Keep it up girl!
I know this isn't exactly family vlogging, but Lil Tay (Claire) was treated so badly by her family. She is who I think of when I think of online child exploitation and I hope she's doing ok.
Yes! I was just listening to 'under the influence' podcast on mommy vlogging and she mentioned a lot of family channels are from Mormons or former Mormons. I'd love to see some more research on why that is
Utah resident here! Mommy blogs mostly started as a way to keep in touch with family pre-facebook/early Facebook, but once realized could turn into a stay at home job, really boomed.
i’m really curious about your feelings towards colleen ballinger. she was famous beforehand but now heavily involves her son (and now unborn twins) in her content. it’s good that she educates people on the hardships of motherhood and pregnancy, but it’s unclear how much her openness is motivated by money and views and how much it will affect her kids later on
i feel like her channel is slightly different, since her content isn’t completely centered around her son. she also makes it a point to not include things like tantrums, potty training, and other things that are potentially an invasion of the child’s privacy. usually, it’s more that she includes the cute moments of her kid while vlogging her own life. however, i still think there is some sort of issue, even if she is slightly better. would love to see her give her opinion about this!
yes i feel you. i think her chanel is diffrent because her channel isn’t dependent on her children. i watch her channel and i see it too but i think this started once quarantine came and her daily blogs began. it was kind of inevitable? but i don’t want to give it an excuse. but yeah i would love to know her thoughts too! props for bringing it up!
I'm glad you talked about the children involved not really being allowed to be "off-brand". I remember going through different phases, especially going from pretty sugary to full on grunge/punk, and it's already mentioned from family and friends. I can't imagine that being from strangers on the internet. Another thing youtube could do is disable comments on videos that primarily feature kids. I'm pretty sure content creators who are under 18 already can't have comment on their videos, so I don't think content that primarily features children should be able to either.
Yes! Oh my god I can’t imagine how these kids will feel when they realize the entire world saw them go through their embarrassing awkward middle school/high school phases where they’re just trying to figure themselves out. I’m already embarrassed enough when my dad posts throw back pictures of me on Facebook. I can’t imagine how it would feel to have thousands or millions of people seeing that stuff play out in real time (or as close to real time as UA-cam can get). I’m honestly scared to see how this might affect kids’ mental health
Great point about disabling the comments! I looked it up and as of 2019 UA-cam disabled comments on content featuring children under 13 as well as content featuring children 13-18 that might attract "predatory behavior." So really not sure how these family vloggers can still have comments enabled... maybe some kind of loophole on how much screentime the children are getting?
@@collyflower6623 UA-cam needs to enforce this better. I see soo many videos that have children and the comments sections is still enabled and popping off
I'm horrified by so much of my childhood and am incredibly grateful that I'm probably the only one that remembers some of the things from it. I can't imagine growing up and realizing that my parents had posted my entire life online to millions.
Yessss! It would be the worst. I had a rough childhood and I'd die from embarrassment for those moments to be shared with everybody. They're very private and not things I want people's opinions on. I feel so bad for alot of kids growing up now. I only post something about my son a few times a year with his permission and hes 6.
@@dannyt7269 well as long as the kids aren’t involved in those videos, moms should be able to post adult content without it being a problem. Parents are still adults with adult interests.
If a kid wanted out, could they even live in some of these houses that have cameras everywhere? Would they have to stay out of the kitchen between noon and 3, eat dinner alone, skip family vacation and keep fingers crossed that they don’t end up appearing anyway?
Personally, the only 'family' content I enjoy watching are those where the focus is on the mum, i.e. is a lifestyle/vlogging/chat channel around them, where most videos just focus on them, but also they happen to have kids who occasionally pop up every now and again. Defs not comfortable with really any child-focussed content, especially 'acted/scripted' content, but also anything that is clearly oversharing their lives.
Alyson is honestly too nice in her video. Her very first story is enough to prove NO child should EVER have to be in a traumatic scene like that on TV. It doesn't matter if psych is on set. That should be illegal.
We have so many giant CGI fights that look STUNNING. Take any of the recent marvel movies and tv shows. At this point there is no point in casting kids (who usually play a very small part in most movies especially compared to the consequence of being ALLOWED to hire child actors).
There's a particularly embarrassing story of me as a toddler that my parents like to tell their friends and laugh about, and as an adult i've had to tell my parents not to tell their friends that story anymore because it makes me uncomfortable. Thankfully I was a toddler in the 90s so my parents weren't able to film what happened and post it online. I would be mortified if they had recorded and posted a video of the situation online. I'd probably sue my parents to oblivion if I grew up and saw that. I know it can be difficult for some people to empathize with others if the situation doesn't effect them directly, so I would encourage everyone to think about that one embarrassing story that your parents like to tell their friends about that makes you uncomfortable, and imagine that your parents filmed and posted that online for strangers to see. That's what a lot of children are having happen to them right now.
I remember the feeling of embarassment and not knowing what to do when my parents filmed me just for home videos that no one ever watched. There was no pressure but being filmed just puts some weird expectation on you! I can't imagine what those kids are feeling when that's their whole life!
Remember DaddyO5? How ANYONE could have ever viewed that as ''entertainment'' is just as disturbed as those two so called parents were. My God it was so heart breaking to see what those poor kids went through 😢💔
I do musical theatre and I'm playing a hard part. My character deals with some hard things and ends up dying at the end. My director doesn't want it to affect me personally so I have pre-show and after show routines to make sure I don't get stuck in my characters head space. It's a hard to go through a character's trauma each night. It can take a toll on a person if they let it. I'm so happy that I have a director who cares about me as an actress.
Because of your discourse on family vloggers I have gotten so passionate about this. I am starting law school in the fall and I plan to study entertainment law. I want to work to put in protections for children in social media like (or honestly better) than the laws in Hollywood
I'm writing a final for a graduate First Amendment Theory class rn I'd be happy to send you after I'm done for the references and citations, if you're interested (:
When they "pranked" the daughter about giving away her dog I was so disgusted. I never actually watched them, I just recognized that guy from Amazing Race. I did see the dog video though and it was HORRID
I love that you’re trying to bring change to UA-cam instead of just being snarky about it. While these family channels deserve at least a bit of snark, it ultimately doesn’t accomplish anything. Family channels likely will not be going anywhere because of the money they bring in. There need to be regulations in place to protect these kids as much as possible.
The dad challenge podcast has been diving into family vloggers for a year now! I always found them uncomfortable to watch but he’s really opened my eyes to the dangers of child exploitation. My heart breaks for these kids! I cannot imagine growing up with a camera constantly in my face and knowing it was being shown to millions of strangers. 😞
As a bright note, Macaulay Culkin seems to be doing really well recently! He made an unexpected appearance in a video another channel I follow put out a while back, and it was really cool to see him. He and Brenda Song welcomed their baby boy on April 5th of this year. 🥺 Of course, I can’t claim to know his or her personal lives, but I really hope they’re doing as well as they seem.
For your evolution of series for family channels, I’d love to see “educational” family channels featured. I used to watch a lot of Fathering Autism and Six Blind Kids content to learn more about kids with disabilities, but the more I started learning about family channels, the more I wondered if filming meltdowns and stuff of nonverbal children who might not be able to give consent is okay, even if the intent is education.
I’m autistic, and if my parents filmed my meltdowns and posted them online it would be so traumatic and horrible. I don’t think it’s okay even for supposed education
I remember when I was maybe 11 or 12 I started shaving my legs for the first time, and my mom took a picture of me without my knowledge (I was wearing shorts while shaving my legs). When I found out she had taken the picture, I told her not to post the picture to Facebook, but she did anyway. I remember feeling super embarrassed and betrayed and my mom doesn’t have a ton of followers or anything. I can’t imagine how the children of family vloggers feel having basically their whole lives posted online to thousands of people
I had a similar story where my mum waxed my legs for the first time. I was bawling my eyes out the entire time and she told this to my entire family while mocking my “sensitivity.” they all thought it was funny and I felt so betrayed. I couldn’t imagine if she told this story to a platform of millions, or worse showed the footage online. I really do worry for these kids and how this will affect them psychologically in the future
@@jadethirlwall1573 ugh same, I tried to kiss my first crush in kindergarten and my entire extended family knew about it and mocked it for years. I literally felt sick to my stomach from embarrassment - I think about it every time some family vlogger talks about something personal.
That's awful. I know someone who posted a video of their 3 year old daughter trying to hoola hoop on FB. They also didn't have a ton of followers, but one of their 'friends' ripped the video and put it on Reddit. It blew up, and I didn't have to drive too deep to find some creepy and deranged comments. That video is still out there, of course, and the girl will one day find it and see all of the disgusting things said about her as a child. All from one Facebook post.
I used to LOVE watching the Shaytards and their extended family. The kids (now teens) all have their own channels and do sponsored content on Insta. The family had to have a “break” from the internet for awhile after Shay cheated on Katilette. I felt so bad for both her and the kids, having this trauma played out online.
I did too. I think I started watching them in the first year. I loved their videos. Looking back, I feel bad for them. What a cautionary tale for family vloggers.
people like alyson and morgan and mara were some of my favorite actors when i was young, and are some of my favorite humans now. so proud of them and of you, hannah
The Dad challenge podcast is Amazing for this. His hastag is kids can't consent!! He goes after all the sponsors on the family vloggers. He also shows analytics on all the men watching these kids. Plus he Snarks on them. Fantastic
@@lizisasleep It's truly frightening. The labrants 6 year old daughter has an instagram account with 5 million subs and 70%are men ages 22 to 50!! There are hundreds of predator playlists.
I think it is a fantastic idea to make this new series where you point out specific family channels and explain why they are problematic! For whatever reason, some people refuse to see how family channels exploit children and I think showing examples would help people understand.
jamerrill stewert is the correct type of mommy vlogger. you rarely see her kids (the exception being her baby wearing and even then you mostly just see a hat), usually just walking through the frame, she mutes audio if they talk to her about personal things while filming, or rarely they ask to say something to the camera. Mostly hauls and freezer cooking.
I dont mind the channels giving parenting advice like some give kids meal ideas, or some gave homeschooling advice during the pandemic, those sorts of videos a good and helpful without exploiting children.
Also Phill DeFranco’s wife - her name escapes me. She stopped family vlogging bc of mental health reasons, and I think she didn’t want all of her kids lives to be broadcasted like that
to me, the worst part about this family vlogger industry is how vulnerable the kids are made to be. as you said, parents are putting their kids’ real lives, genuine flaws, and authentic personalities out there to be judged and hated on. the hate messages these children get are deeply personal, unlike the hate child actors face. even on the flip side, when millions of people are idolizing and loving on a child for their charm or cute appearance, how are they equipped to handle that level of attention?
My dad said that one time a lady in a mall heard my sister and me talking (we were very young) and she was surprised how well-spoken we were so she told my dad we should be in "show business" and she gave him her card. He said he tossed it immediately because it's been known for ages how Hollywood is terrible to children and any person with common sense knows it. It's awful.
its interesting once you compare family channels/bloggers with "traditional" celebrities. the majority of celebrities refuse to post their children's faces even if they're just a couple months old (ex: gigi). they're hiding their face for a reason that influencers havent figured out yet. its also interesting seeing these children of celebrities become teenagers and pop up more because they're at the age where they're able to give consent or control their own social media
Growing up, my mom wouldn't even give permission for our pictures to be in the school calendar because she was afraid some weirdo would see us! I can't even imagine putting so much of my child out there in the world!
something i would love for you to focus on in one of your future videos is disabled children specifically. they are the focus of a specific type of internet family channel/account where everything about them is branded as education for abled people. parents will film autistic meltdowns, discuss their child’s medical details, film abusive therapies, and other invasions of privacy under the guise of educating abled people to the “realities” of disability. they also often have an ableist lens of “look how awful it is to live with a disabled person sometimes”. i would love to see you dive into that, and can provide some suggestions if you like!!
This is so great!!! I’d love for you to look into the Ingham Family. They really fly under the radar (despite multiple sexual allegations against the father). The decline in their kids wellbeing in the last few months is so noticeable and tragic. They’ve all been taken out of school and the older ones get largely ignored and neglected.
I remember seeing their Christmas videos pop up in my recommendation when I was younger and I was so baffled at how many gifts their kids got. Sad to see that they aren’t doing well.
they also are very problematic like when they let their red headed WHITE DAUGHTER get a protective hairstyle only made and for black people and continue to culture appropriate as well...
@@abigailestrada555 yes !! They play so dumb and used the excuse of “there’s a whole Facebook group of tutorials with white kids” like no. They know what they are doing and that it’s wrong. Part of me wonders if they do it for views ??
@@holvh4389 like and when black people started calling them out they got so defensive and rude and said they were overreacting and rude which sees a lil racist to me but...
I think it would be interesting to see this topic also applied to micro-influencers as well. I have seen a lot of people who push MLM products use their children as a selling point or people feeling the pressure to have more kids as a selling point or to become more “relatable”.
I’ve NEVER understood why family channels are popular because the dynamic is so toxic. Glad you are doing this! I will definitely stay tuned for all of the dedicated videos!
Hi, thank you for sharing your perspective. There are a lot of important topics that are timely to address. While there won’t be one blanket rule that works for every one / every family, and we’ll never fully know someone’s context and circumstance, we can find measures and best practices that better safeguard children’s well-being. Looking forward to continuing the convo. 💜
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Alyson THANK YOU 🙏🏻 you are incredibly courageous (in addition to being such a talented icon ♥️💃🏻) and I pray you’ve helped to inspire a true sea change here.
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I can’t even imagine letting the internet know my children’s NAMES let alone broadcasting their entire lives for random strangers to watch
Yeah. My parents made sure they had as many privacy settings on fb and never friended people they didn't know. Because they didn't want us kids to have people snooping on us
I find it funny how many people say this, then absolutely lap up videos about other people’s children.
Some parents are sociopaths!
My dad wouldn't even let me wear a name tag outside of whatever event I needed a name tag for when I was a kid
@Noelle Alexandria NoelleXandria on Insta-Onlyfans that’s a very good point I’ve never thought about it that way. We tend not to think about it this way when we’re looking at people who we deem good parents (not these major family channels like Ace family or Labrant) who are just sharing their cute kids activities like on tik tok. The vids are cute, the kids look well taken care of and it can bring a smile to our faces but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s their 2 year old kid on the internet forever and a 2 year old can’t consent.
its so disgusting to me when family channels exploit their pre teen daughters especially. They post "she got her first period" or "shopping for her first bra." I cant imagine going through puberty online for millions to see.
Girl when I first read this I thought you were exaggerating and then I looked it up and saw a TON of videos like that. I feel like I might be sick, that’s so sad!!
@@alexisbigelow7998 I would have died if my business as a teen was blasted online - its humiliation particularly when going through puberty.
Oh Jesus Christ, I’m not a girl anymore, but I remember being a teenage girl, and that would’ve SHATTERED me
@@cjboyo I have endometriosis and my periods as a teenager were horrific the idea my mum would put that online is unfathomable. These family blogging parents are avaricious, narcissistic and without conscience
And the thing is, if the parents GENUINELY wanted to give advice to other parents on how to talk to/deal with their daughters puberty journey, they could easily do a q&a that doesn’t include humiliating the child on camera 😒 and ask the kid what they’re comfortable sharing
The idea that kids have no option but to be recorded everyday, watched by millions and picked apart by complete strangers on the internet will NEVER sit right with me. Makes me so uncomfortable.
In a few years were going to start seeing a lot of young adults going into intensive therapy in order to deal with it.
Well, hopefully they'll get therapy.
I think there’s going to be hundreds of new therapies and studies done about the “social media generation” tbh, it’s very like child stars but even worse and they’re not even playing characters, they’re just themselves and still open to all that criticism and cruelty.
And, when the children are older, they realize what’s actually happening. You can actually see that older children (usually 10-12) become uncomfortable with talking to the camera, or they try to stay away from it as much as possible. Family channels are so chilling to me because of that.
People would do anything for money they don’t care.
And these parents have the audacity to say they are the breadwinners. By broadcasting the kids' private lives online? lmfao
Even child actors get paid for their professional work and have none of their private lives uploaded for anyone to see
Let's use the same logic and not pay any actors salary of any kind from now on? Only pay the video makers / producers? Their entitlement is jaw dropping
I can't even imagine not being able to differentiate my family memories between real and fake for the camera. It's so disheartening 🥺
Right could you imagine how much this could effect these children mentally: breeding no sense of reality, entitlement, narcissism, low self esteem, warped self worth, etc. There are so many mentally challenging situations that can arise from growing up behind a camera. UA-cam should really be ashamed of themselves perpetuating a whole new level of child stardom that can seriously destroy children and families. I know that they can’t control everything people post but they really need to step in and monitor the new situations of child exploitation that is arising from their platform. The ace family is the scariest example of what we all see as a ticking time bomb. Although I do believe parents should have the power in raising their own children using their children as their main source of income is not right. Parents should be parents not literal slave drivers and I think their should be some sort of foundation that youtube sets up to be an out for these kids... they should have lawyers ready to fight for these kids if things ever get hairy, which I’m sure we all know they will.
This is 1000% going to create dozens if not hundreds of Sarah Lynns/Britney Spears situations; they're going to grow up, hit 18 or 20, and implode.
The "kids benefit from this as much as the parents" argument smacks a lot of my abusive parents telling me my non-physical needs didn't need to be met because "I put a roof over your head and food on your plate."
Isn't that just the most garbage thing, too? It's pretty much a human version of the wire mother vs the cloth mother experiment. Yeah, it's great to have food and a roof and whatnot. But want to be treated with any humanity or start to fight back against the manipulation and abuse then suddenly you're an ungrateful brat and everyone on the outside will agree because it looks like you're being taken care of. Who cares if the kids benefit financially, or materialistically? None of that matters when their parents expose them to dangerous situations or treat them as less than human. Exploitation is exploitation, and it's not ok in any case, especially from.oarents to their children.
yes i had this sane thought!!!!
Sounds like my parents too.
Makes me think of Austin McBroom yelling profanities at his wife and daughters when he "didn't like the way his hair looked in the video". Yeah, those girls really benefit as much as their parents. Sure thing.
I got that from my parents a lot. And guilt tripped if I was emotional whatsoever growing up. I never knew it wasn’t normal until I would tell friends and my fiancé about how I was treated as a child lol
Raven Symoné said she has every bit of her Cosby money. Her parents never spent it and now she continues to use it as investment. She had some good parents.
It’s always good to hear positive stories. But the problem is, even if her parents were model parents, there are still all the exploitative, parasitic people, companies and systems of the industry that prey on children.
It’s good that her parents did that. Unfortunately such parents seem to be in the minority
Awesome 👏
Same with Jaleel White (Steve Urkel) and Macaulay Culkin. Mac got all of his John Hughes money when he turned 18.
She was on set with Bill Cosby!! That says it all
It annoys me endlessly that a lot of family vloggers are faith based. And therefore think they have the moral high ground on everything, but then go and exploit their children on the Internet. It’s creepy that parents profit so much off their children but also UA-cam & other social media platforms profit so much off of their child employees.
Great video, Hannah. I can’t wait to see this series. I think it will really make a big wave in trying to change some of the things that are behind the times in protecting children on the Internet. Hopefully other content creators will continue to speak up about this too.
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You hit on the crux of the issue. So many are faith-based and themselves behind it.
Thank you! Was really struggling to put this issue into words.
Yes! The Duggar’s were the OG family channel of America, look how messed up they are.
I wish I could say there wasn't a history of gross abuse against children in Christianity, but unfortunately, I cannot. I can say that in any place where children are vulnerable to adults, there will be those looking to exploit them. A loving, trusting community of believers in the same protecting God is the perfect place for a sicko to prey on children who are thought to be safe in the church, which is considered family to most. But this attracts those who wish to take advantage of these perhaps willfully ignorant parents who leave their children with virtual strangers, believing the Church is a safe place and all in its walls are trustworthy, as Christians of the same faith. When I was around 4-5 I was almost abducted by such a sicko. I noticed a man following me and I started running and he started following me faster, so I panicked and ran for my life through the church and to where I knew my parents would be after the service. I pointed to the man as soon as I got to my dad but he saw us. He ran and other members chased him to try to stop him but he got in his car and ran as quick as he could, too quick for anyone to get a plate number. This was the 90's, so no video cameras, this wasn't the kind of church to put security cameras outside (we did in inner-city churches tho).
So I agree 100%! It makes good-hearted, normal Christians look bad, which is the majority, I believe. I am not a Christian but I was raised that way. Although I dislike and downright hate aspects of the various churches and Christians I was exposed to for 18 years, I met many who were truly just doing right by their souls and by the world. Kindness and generosity were the kind of Christians I mostly met, but the negative tends to outweigh the positive when kids are getting hurt. The fact remains that a lot of sects of Christianity believe in a physical or emotional "discipline" that is outright abuse. There was even a man who wrote a book on how to abuse your child to make them "a god-fearing Christian" and it was on Amazon for five years. They had ten foster and adopted kids, and when someone on Tumblr finally found this book by sheer chance, they instantly put up a petition, raised awareness, and this man and his wife were arrested and the children saved. Not to mention the book was taken off of Amazon. It was a huge thing in the early 2010s (can't remember, I'm old).
I have no defense of these "faith-based" bloggers... what does that even mean? Faith-based... What faith? It's so egotistical to imply that your faith as a white, middle-class, Christian in a specific church/sect of Christianity is the only faith, and to then go hurt children? I guess the Bible does have plenty of examples of child abuse, and of course, "Honor thy Father and Mother", which many take to mean, "my child must worship me and do everything I say or they are going to hell". I hope these kids get out and are happy and safe someday.
If any of you have watched wife swap, then you know it’s about families with different lifestyles/beliefs that exchange moms for a few days and learn about each other and themselves. One time they had a family who were family vloggers and the “new mom” made them have no internet for a week or however long it is. At the end, one of the girls who was about 10 years old said to her “I’m not ready for you to leave. I feel better not being on camera. I feel more confident.” It broke my heart because I don’t know if those parents stopped. And she wasn’t a three year old who likes anyone who gives her a cookie, she is a fully conscious person with her own opinions and ideas.
Omg that breaks my heart
Is their UA-cam CK3 FAMILY ?
Mannn do you know what ep it was :((
The fact the a 10 year old is worrying about confidence issues breaks my heart. ESPECIALLY when the root of the issue is found through the mother whose supposed to protect her children and show them how to love themselves smh. I hope she stopped
I'll never forget seeing a clip from I think 8 Passengers (it was in a Hailey Elizabeth video) where one of the sons said he literally doesn't have any friends at school because of the family channel and my heart broke. So many of these kids are probably getting bullied in person as well as online and it's awful
i love hailey elizabeth
@@aditid4007 dont she’s exploits her children
@@cameronmauer3721 That’s 8 Passengers not Hailey Elizabeth. Hailey Elizabeth is a commentary UA-camr
@@lexi_b6169 oh thx for letting me know! :) my bad
@@cameronmauer3721 it's all good hahah
Think about the kids who are self-aware about their own exploitation, but feel like they can’t speak up in fear of ruining their parents’ careers, causing financial loss for their family, etc... what immense pressure to have as a child
8 passengers. Mostly the older kids you can tell from how they look at the camera and every now and then say stuff softly or quietly like they're scared of speaking up fully.
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i love that you actually got your bachelors in social work so you can genuinely see how family vloggers effect their kids.
Isn’t it great? Also, you don’t have to have the degree just to get info and research this topic!
@@KourttneyL i agree!! i meant like its good to hear from her perspective 😂 i suck with words
@@ZhariyaAleice agree - it’s nice that she has an educational background to support her opinions
hey i love your videos so much!! i also agree :) idk why that person is trying to correct your grammar
Hey lia nobody asked you
I’m kind of at a breaking point. I really don’t believe people should be posting their underage kids. Mostly because they arent able to consent in a way that helps them understand the full scope of the consequences of being on the internet. They aren’t cognitively developed enough and rely on their parents to make the beat decisions for their health and safety. Thanks for bringing attention to this topic!
I absolutely agree. Like even with normal people. I understand that parents want to show their kids off, but I think there needs to be some kind of limit. Parents should not be able to post every second of their kids’ lives online for anyone to see. I’m embarrassed enough when my dad posts a throw back picture of me on Facebook from when I was a little kid and those are all digitized versions of actual physical pictures because social media wasn’t a thing when I was little. I cannot fathom how these kids are going to feel when they grow up and realize their parents have plastered their entire childhoods onto the internet for anyone to see.
It depends on how kids are posted and why. Children can’t consent to vaccines, yet I’m sure you favor making kids get them. There’s a lot kids can’t consent to, and as long as it’s not actively harmful, then it’s up for their adults to decide for them, and no, the internet isn’t inherently harmful. But there’s a difference between posting pics from a family vacation on your Instagram and the kids are in a few pics versus actively broadcasting their lives to make money. As far as understanding the full scope, most young adults don’t understand the full scope either. Just turning 18 and no longer being a minor doesn’t impart you with the wisdom of years of adult experience and a brain that’s finished developing yet absolutely every young person whose brains are still developing think they’re the exception, the mature one, the smart one, which, ironically, is a sign of continued immaturity. You don’t know enough yet to know how much you don’t know.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria I understand where you’re coming from. 👍🏾
@@jasminelambert3753 There was a video on YT by the New York Times where kids were confronting their parents about posting videos and images of them without their consent, even on their private pages. It was so interesting because these were probably Gen Z - Gen Alpha kids and they were genuinely uncomfortable and wanted things to be deleted but some parents just didnt understand where they were coming from. Definitely a conversation that needs to be had within each individual family.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria You have a family channel, don't you?
I love how youtube went overboard flagging and taking down videos to "protect" the children, even demonetizing doll customizing videos because they were flagged as for kids and screwing over those content creators in the process, but apparently does nothing when it comes to children being exploited on family channels.
Jenette Mccurdy made the same comments about how she was the sole breadwinner for her family and that she was pushed into acting. It's sad how often this is an occurrence. Thank you for using your platform to better society.
wait really???? is there a interview where she says this? i’m intrigued
@@lailaandu3165 www.buzzfeednews.com/article/eleanorbate/icarly-jennette-mccurdy-quit-acting
She was horribly abused.
When I used to cry my mum would video me and say she was going to show it to her friends if I didn't stop. It filled me with so much dread. I imagine family channels to be like that but on a massive level. It makes me so angry
I'm so sorry that happened to you, that's horrible. I know how shitty it is when you can't be vulnerable with the person who's supposed to be your safe place. Sending you lots of love and light, darling.
@@thevanimaduray2235 thank you so so much 💖 you are right. Sending you lots of love back
That's abusive. I'm sorry
I’m so sorry that you were treated so badly by your own mother. So very, very sad.
My father did basically that exact thing to me (along with other verbal and physical abuse) and I feel like that had a huge impact on my anxiety around people. When she brought that aspect of it up, it definitely struck a chord with me too. Sorry you had to go through that.
Some of these kids have been on camera since literal birth and its pretty weird, like the truman show vibes
Seriously... like imagine growing up and realizing how fucked up it is that literal MILLIONS of people watched you being BORN???
Not even birth, literal conception. These ppl are having kids for content.
It is really bizarre but at the end of the day what else can you expect. They are people with huge egos hungry for fame and money, so much so they put their own kids lives and futures at risk.
Before birth****
@@saigeferko6035 ikr?! Like now that I'm a teenager it's fun to look at baby pictures/videos and share them with my friends, but the idea of millions of people seeing me grow up is terrifying.
“there needs to be people in that room that their only interest is supporting the kids “ said it all
Especially when that *should* be (& literally is) the parents' jobs. 😭
preaaaaaach
@@JaseekaRawr parents can't be on set all the time, they have jobs and, like people have mentioned, some parents are abusive and exploitative
I don't have much experience in the entertainment industry, but I did intern on the costuming team for a play by a major theatre with a child actor(I think he was 10 or 11). His parents were around sometimes but not all the time, everyone I saw treated him really well, but there was someone whose job was just to take care of him. I think she was legally required to be there. Directors and stage managers are focused on rehearsal and the artistic process and making sure everything goes smoothly, so this woman (I don't remember her exact job title) can remind them of how much time the child actor has left in rehearsal, enforcing the laws if the creative team wants just a little bit longer, make sure the costume fittings respect his privacy, just be someone who the child can talk to if anything makes them uncomfortable or if they need anything
People early in their entertainment career (myself included) want to be well-liked, want to have a good reputation so we can continue getting hired in an industry that is more competitive and more reliant on networking than most. Add to that the naivety of childhood, the lack of life experience that helps older people recognize when someone is mistreating them, then you have child actors in a very vulnerable position, regardless of anyone else's good intentions.
Sorry this got really long, I'm just really passionate about this topic
I don't want to call out Jaseeka Rawr specifically, I just went on a rant about the situation as a whole
I would love for you to cover the Ryan’s World channel. A deep dive into that whole thing needs to happen.
Doesn't matter how rich he makes them. That poor kid
The TV show is creepy are those his real parents? I've never watched the UA-cam channel only on TV
FOR REAL!! the kids i babysit are infatuated!! it weirds me out
Yes, there's no way he's happy with that lifestyle. He's literally being exploited.
Def would be interesting to watch! My daughter is so taken!
can't wait for 15 years from now when all the family vloggers upload their "my son is disowning me????!!!!" vlogs lmao
best comment i’ve seen in a while LOL
“Help, my ChILdrEn are setting boundaries! What should I do???”
Her story sounds very similar to Jenette McCurdy's story as in being sole breadwinner for her family at age 10. This is horrendous.
and not to mention Amanda Bynes and look at what happened smh
Does Jenette have a video about this?! I’m so interested!
@@ShailynCummings she mentions it quite frequently in her podcast (which she posts clips of and full episodes of to her channel)
@Shailyn B. Grew up watching and following Jennette throughout the years. She has a podcast on her experiences with child acting,eating disorders, and her mom having cancer and pushing her to act. Podcast is called Empty Inside.
@@ShailynCummings hi. Just been out in the pouring rain walking my dog! I saw an interview on Slo4n's channel with Jenette. I also partly watched an interview on Jenette's own channel with a woman from Australia. It's called 'Toxic Mothers,' which is also really interesting. I'm watching it in bits because it's also really disturbing. I have two kids (23 and 16) and I couldn't imagine treating them so badly (even when they've been at their absolute worst.) I think it's possible her mother was unable to show love i.e. a raving narcissist!
i get embarrassed whenever my parents post pics and videos of me now, and im an adult. i cant imagine having my childhood (+ most embarrassing moments) online where millions of people could watch that
Yes - I was growing up like as social media was becoming more popular and the pressure that young kids in the early ‘aughts had combined with our parents just putting all the photos and posts out to their friends was damaging to many of my friends and stuff so I can’t even IMAGINE having your whole life good and bad from infancy uploaded for millions of people to see.
I see a lot of family vlog channels post videos about how their babies had a massive blow up in public, or talk about how their kid screamed in public or such. For a long time I used to think “oh this is so cute lol” and not think much of it. Then I imagined how embarrassing it would be for me to go to school knowing that everyone in my class had access to videos of me as a baby having a temper tantrum or a blow out. The idea of my whole class having complete access to every embarrassing baby moment mortified me, and I realized that this is what the children of family vlogs are facing. That is when my opinion of them changed.
This is a wider issue with the general population as well. Almost everyone shares pictures of their children on social media often publicly. I personally don't think that's right.
@@fraxinus_ash do you think parents should simply not post their kids on social media, or do you simply want more restrictions? (I’m not disagreeing with you, I just genuinely want to hear your opinion)
As a Child Psychology Grad I couldn't agree more with your thoughts on this. Children deserve privacy and cannot consent to being broadcasted to the world
It's sad and crazy to me that these kids are born into this most of the time. They don't even realize it isn't normal, or that they have other options. To them, having a camera constantly in their face, posing for thumbnails, reshooting "organic" moments, and having millions of people view and comment on your personal life is just... life to them.
It’s super sad and reminds me a lot of “The Truman show”
@@SammyP038 yeah I def agree
Emmy Made in Japan is my favorite UA-cam mom. She's never shown more than her kids' hands on camera and refers to them simply based on their current age range
UA-camrs should be famous becoz of their own talent & hard work. Don't understand why moms can't make their own content but have to use the kids' live (or the people's around them) for views. How pathetic can one get if the only thing they have to show for is kids' private lives.
@@birdieculture i do think content about being a mom/parenting is good because it can be quite an isolating experience for new parents so sharing that is important. That being said, i don’t think it’s safe to put your children at the front and centre and I think they should do what Emmy does and feature them very little/what they feature is not easily identifiable
@@rebecca9103 Emmy is great, she makes her own content rather than using the kids / other people in her life for videos unless its clearly with their consent. I do understand parenthood can be isolating but using that as an excuse to make content out of people is unacceptable. People can be "isolated" at home and make millions online these days, if people don't wanna do what Emmy does, i.e. food content, they can make handcraft, knitting, language videos, songs etc. Its no excuse to use other people's private lives as content even 10 years ago
@@rebecca9103 yeah! Parenting channels can talk about parenting and being a mother/father/parent without necessarily showing their kids. It’s a channel for adults to relate on the adult experience of raising children. I think I have seen some channels but I can’t think of them ... where they talk about parenting but do not show their kids. it’s definitely doable, except that cute kids get more views ... 🙃 I love watching videos of kids being kids, but as a teacher, child safety, security and well being is always at the forefront to me!! I even feel uncomfortable photographing my class or sharing photos of my students with people outside our school unless their parents have signed or approved that we can. You never know who may be out there and I would never risk another person’s or my own child!!
(I also have my thoughts on the trend of teacher tik tok channels that feature students .... )
I love Emmy’s video and getting to hear her kids and see their little hands when they’re doing projects together warms my heart enough! ❤️ and it feels less awful to know that those kids have a limited public image at their age, they can just be kids and Emmy can have her channel where she does her own thing! I have followed her since her pregnancies too and yeah, love her channel for so so so many reasons!!
I love Emmy made in Japan. Her channel is great
I used to be a child actor in Asia and quit because there were so many sexual predators in the industry and thankfully my parents were very quick to let me leave and have a normal life instead. There are so many kids that continue to be exploited and there is just so much abuse of all kinds so I’m just very glad you’re doing this and that we’re bringing about change.
Hannah isn’t causing chance. She’s amplifying family vloggers, making money off their children just as they are. Even negative publicity if publicity. Every sing.e family vloggers I know about I was introduced to from people like Hannah. Claiming to be against something she’s actively making money off of is performative, not sincere.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria I disagree with everything you’ve said.
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Her main objective in making videos such as this one isn't to make money, it's to raise awareness for serious problems. Sure she is making money from making these videos. Everyone needs a stable income in order to live. But she didn't make this video with bad intentions. It isn't fair to characterize her as a hypocrite when she clearly is not.
@@Jackie-rs6yc if it wasnt then why did she add a sponsor specifically saying she did bc it will be demonitized
@@KK-ed9vk because youtube is her livelihood. Her doing the research and recording the videos is work, and like how every job, she should be compensated for it. It's how a job works.
I remember one of the kids from that 8 Passengers family saying they have no friends and I felt so bad. Some of the kids probably get bullied due to the content they’re posting online. The control and power the parents have over the children grows even more when they don’t have other support systems
That’s so sad :( tbh the whole family of 8 Passengers scares me because the parents treat their children terribly like severe punishments to the son for a pretty harmless prank and letting their 5 year old go hungry because she forgot to pack their food ...idk if they’ve changed but either way, the fact they publicize those as parenting tactics concern me
She also said she’s kicking the kids out at 18 too 😞 she’s literally getting rid of them once they aren’t profitable. She’s also keeping all of the money for herself
@@Puppetmaster-pm7yp You know what the saddest part is? Those kids will probably want to literally *run* from that household, probably even before they're 18, because of the abuse from the parents. 😭
I left my parent's house at age 16 for that reason. Life was insanely hard being on my own at such a young age, too. I wish their parents treated those kids properly. I hate seeing children suffer, especially when it's so unnecessary. 😭 So unfair. The kids deserve justice of some kind, seriously.
I love his channel. I finally came to my senses and unfollowed all family channels even more "mild" ones after seeing things from his perspective.
I was a guide to influencer family once. Their daughter asked me, 'why are you smiling, we're not taking a picture'. My heart broke.
Just curious, what kind of guide?
@@gabrielasmith8626 I'm assuming travel guide or something like that
I’m sorry bestie but this sounds so fake lol
@@gabrielasmith8626 tour guide yeah.
Idk this sounds kinda fake
Also moms of disabled children posting vidips of their kids having meltdowns or in distress because they think it's "educational" it's so horrible for the privacy of the kids
And then on the other hand, there’s LoveLogan07 and dubfrost who actually raise awareness of their kids conditions (without posting them in vulnerable moments). Might be different for them though because their kids have terminal illnesses and won’t make it past their teeens. Totally different when it’s them filming their autistic kids having a meltdown.
As an autistic person, my parents have filmed my meltdowns when I was a kid. They never posted them but I just wish they would delete those videos. I hate to watch home videos just to be reminded of how severe my condition was when I was a kid. It’s deeply traumatic for me to re-experience.
@@pinkanimositygaming this is what I mean nobody likes to be filmed during a traumatic o hard event :/
Fathering Autism is a great example of this. That whole channel is so problematic I don’t even know where to begin. That poor girl. She deserves human dignity and she will never be able to consent to what they are doing to her. It’s so clear that she doesn’t like what they are doing, but here they are getting rich.
I remember watching The Truman show in the late 90s and it was about this man being exploited by reality TV show. Who would have thought that 21 years later this is what parents would knowingly and willingly sign their children up to do.
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EXACTLY. I cant help but think of that show...
Loved that movie, it was so trippie though 😂😂😂
I’d be very curious to hear you talk about kids channels (I.e. Ryan’s world) and your thoughts on those
seconding this!
Third it!
4th it! 💯❤
I’ll fifth it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I sixth this! I’ve wanted to know about this too
I saw something where a teenager stuck in this situation got a custom t shirt made saying "I do not consent to being filmed or photographed." Because her parents refused to stop. It's sad she had to do that, but it's also a really smart way to push against the constant vlogging.
do you know what channel it was?
@@ciaratinsley994 I'm quite late to this, but simply nailogical went over this on her podcast channel if you're still interested.
I actually appreciate how many times you noted the “millions and millions” of dollars these parents make. It actually drove home the concept that this is such a power abuse in so many ways. I support this movement towards change fully!
I remember seeing the SacconeJolys new Surrey mansion in a tv show in the UK and knowing all of this came off of those kids and yet, they refuse to stop filming even if the kids don't want to film breaks my heart
Yep. Trinity and Beyond is a kid's channel that seems to show this. They've moved twice since starting the channel - each time to a bigger house. Dad has a Lamborgini and Mom drives a Tesla - and I'm thinking that these aren't the only cars they own.
Not to mention like I can't imagine how it must feel when your parents do something nice for you e.g. throw you a birthday party. Is it for me, or is it for the vlog?
that’s so huge
This is such an important topic! Another thing that I think would be helpful is to implement mandatory “vacation” days each month for children on these channels, so they can have a break from being filmed. “Normal” jobs require vacation days, and I think it’s even more important for these kids to get a break.
Filming ur kids, especially their personal lives & experiences, w the specific intent to publicize/monetize it for millions of strangers to watch is SO massively different from uploading short, spontaneous & _appropriate_ cute/funny kids moments ("ow, charlayyy!") from *true* _home_ videos, filmed w sole purpose of family memories.
YES! I love funny kid clips - but monetizing is disgusting.
@@teresamckeown5594 agreed!! However, one caveat i would add is that, within the 2nd scenario i described, i do believe that there are some instances/ways of ethical monetization. For example, the "David After Dentist" family sold tshirts based off the viral clip, a portion of the proceeds was donated to dental charities, the rest went straight into David's bank account. They didn't look at David suddenly as a cash cow to keep milking past the organically made moment. They let David & their family enjoy & benefit from their 15min of fame, then left it at that & went back to their normal, private lives.
I've noticed a lot of the ppl who they or their kids or pets etc go viral for funny/cute pics or vids but had zero intention or thought of going viral, are the ones most grounded & who use their moments in the spotlight most positively & ethically
And it’s very possible to *include* them in your vlogs without the channel being *about* them too
@@RubyBlueUwU this! This is the key! I think there is a way to talk about parenting without forcing the kids to be in the camera 24/7.
Can you do a video on teen idols? There's so much to unpack there. People always predicting their downfall, the struggle to transition into adulthood, parents who get angry when they grow up and call them a "bad influence" even though it's not their job. It's your job to be your kids influence.
THIS
Don’t forget the sexualization of teenage idols, especially female idols (Britney, Billie, soooo many Kpop stars, etc).
@@Sam-iy8qm Yes! That too!
Yesssss
Mila Tequila has a few videos covering the trajectory of some, would highly recommend
The Dad Challenge Podcast channel has a whole playlist about “taking down family vloggers”. He’s been working on this very topic and seeking change for at least a year now.
I think it was on his podcast that he made the very apt comparison to having a private room with a one way mirror that anyone can access in a daycare.
Like, would you let your child go there knowing anyone can privately watch your kid at any time? It's sickening that these vloggers allow that to happen on such a large scale.
In one of Tiffany Ferg's recent videos she mentioned at the end that UA-camrs should explore unionizing. UA-cam is employment for many people, so unionizing and creating labor laws could be a great step in setting child labor laws within this industry
I often think it would be interesting to speak to the kids from John and Kate plus 8, they were one of the first generations of kids where this lifestyle was forced upon them and as we know, ended in a mess.
This is a seriously good example. That show was just a high quality family channel that was put on tv and we’ve been able to witness how much damage it did to those peoples lives
So so happy you’re talking about this more. A lot of these kids are homeschooled as well so that their families can film more content.
yeah like the norris nuts
😕 The ballinger family too
Yeah it's scary that they're missing out on interaction outside their household for the sake of money. They should at least be allowed to build a social circle of their own and have the conventional education experience as an option
Therapist here. Yes to ever damn second of this video. The exploitation and long term impacts of having to be so visible and manufactured are horrific and if we can protect kids from this we should.
Can we also talk about how hard lockdown must be for these kids, depending on where you live, they couldn't have a break from the camera and their parents for at least a whole year. I really feel for them because it must be really mentally and emotionally exhausting, especially when dealing with processing the pandemic.
It’s a recipe for a Jennifer Pan situation, honestly, and I wouldn’t really blame the kids
:( imagine the unhealthy bribes and or the things parents/momangers do to encourage their kids to get infront of the camera when they really don’t want to.
Coz I sure as shit know my 9yo son or any of his friends wouldn’t willingly spend even half the time infront of the camera, the mental health of these kids will be impacted far greater then these parents would admit to themselves.
Some family channels already have teenagers who say, on camera, that they have no friends and are being bullied because of the content their parents post. I forgot their name but there is that family who took away their teenage sons bed and none of their kids were allowed to have phones and the teenage kids all hated being part of a family channel
8 passengers
8 passengers aka 6 prisoners
The whole “home video argument” thing, I don’t know who would film their children’s “first period” “first bra shopping” or “potty training. To be a home video, it’s just weird if parents films this stuff and watches it back. That just weird
Kid: exists*
Some parents: I can milk you
Not you practically calling out people who have children just to make money off them 😱🐸☕😂
Lots of people don't think before having kids. Many have them as retirement plan, income, source of pride etc actually. Its been like this for a long time unfortunately.
Right and I don’t like the precedent it sets for regular families. Seeing as how UA-cam is so accessible to the every day person, anybody with a camera can just record their kid then take it out on them for not hitting it big. All these non-influencer families could pressure their kids even worse because they want a viral hit. “Why don’t you act cute like the ACE family kids” I mean imagine.
Lol, this is funny to me. Not that I don’t agree with, but in a healthy parent l/child relationship, it should literally be children getting milk from parents.
I got that reference
I think an interesting case to look at would be the Bratayley family. They were huge and super popular and they went through so much I feel like one talks about them. It’s also interesting that the mom said “the day (the girls) don’t want to vlog we will stop” and they did. It would be very interesting to look into.
And they sort of lost their passion after their son's death.
@@camillefaith2005 very true
Literally the worst case of a family channel tht legit made me cry was the Daddy of 5 channel. Nerd city did a great series of videos on it that hit the mark on how awful audiences of these channels can feed an already abusive home. UA-cam did nothing until it was too late but even then... just took down their channel
Daddyofive made me seethe, i reported every single video
Me too.
I’m grateful to my parents who to this day, with me being 20 and my sister being 15, haven’t posted our names or a single photo of us on the internet
There's something I always say about this: you can protect a child from an acting job, from a corporation even, but how do you protect them from their own parents? Who can confirm that these parents are respecting their kids' times, when don't want to film, when they don't want to do a sponsorship? Who can confirm that these parents aren't putting the money first and their kids second?
you are so right. people all talk about stranger danger, but kids are most vulnerable within their families, especially isolated nuclear families. because their parents are the people most likely to abuse them. they know all their kids' vulnerabilities and have the authority to control them, and society supports it.
One of the saddest things is that psychologists, particularly child psychologists are already trying to warn the parents. One said it isn't even like living in a glass house, where people can drive by and look, because it's constant, everything is seen.
Also, so much of your consent point made me think of 8 Passengers. Those kids have SAID they want to stop, and she posts them saying it! They tell her they have no friends because of the channel, that they're picked on. And the mother just sits there!
I could not imagine growing up in front of an audience. The mental trauma those kids may or may not have when they grow older and truly realize what they're parents have done to them.
I swear Russell on the 8 Passengers channel is developing some kind of anxiety problems/already prone to it and filming is making it worse from how often he's seen crying and having a meltdown/ getting frustrated and how often he gets set off.
Him and Eve, the two youngest were pretty much raised in front of the camera and you can tell. Looking directly into the camera, knowing how to act when the older kids don't seem too happy to be filmed (just what Ive noticed from other videos on them)
The Dad Challenge Podcast is huge on exposing family channels, and protecting children. He has a lot of in-depth videos that I would recommend checking out for your series!
Yes! I was just about to comment about the DCP channel.
Yes just commented that too!
I just commented that too! #aloha
@@Allisonsaul ALOHA PINEAPPLE 😂
DCP is great. Check him out!!
I just went down the rabbit hole of family bloggers, specifically Ryan’s world. Once I found out they put out a video almost everyday on top of his own tv show + toy line my heart broke :( I’m so glad you’re taking the initiative to start this movement bc I felt helpless with all the information I found. I hope this ignites the change and will be sharing this on every platform!
I was telling my brother (has no kids) about how obsessed my son was with Ryan and how we had to block all Ryan content. Brother went and watched a couple episodes of the show he has on Hulu and he said “this kid never shows friends, he doesn’t go to school, and he only plays with his parents who only let him win”. I was like...yup. Exactly.
The Kardashians don't let their children watch their show...and they have said that when the kids inevitably do see the show when they are older they will just tell them it's not true. I can't even imagine how mentally jarring it has been for those kids to grow up in a house that is always filled with camera crews and staff for the show. I mean did they get to even be kids?....Ever?
and also having clear memories of things happening for your family later gaslighting you
I feel like the internet owes the Olsen twins an apology. people constantly made fan of how they looked and acted. People made fun of her when the sisters talked about how awful it was to work as children, just because they were rich. If you see how many projects they have been part of since their toddler days, it is actually insane. I am so glad their sister Elizabeth Olsen came to the industry after studying acting, as an adult. Not as a child star.
I was a semi child star, not really a star but I did musical theater and was hired professionally for chorus jobs as a kid. I’ve gotten my phone away for threatening to quit or having a bad rehearsal. I never got to quit on my own will until I turned 18.
The queen has bestowed us the gift of a video again today
Yessss. Also, love the profile pic lol
@@dinahgrace8409 omg lol
Love the username as well.
@@adrianarr13 Thank you 😊
@@choicethetaurus i would dislike but they way you self promo is pretty funny so i let it go. plus the song isnt half bad.
this is so very off topic but am i the only one that loves that hannah’s degree just lives in the background with the post it note protecting her info
When Jonbenet Ramsay was murdered, many of us thought that maybe it would be the end of exploiting children for the sake of entertainment. But it's gotten SO much worse. 😞
Honestly, this seems revolutionary on the UA-cam commentary community! Everybody likes to say what the problem is with family Vloggers but nobody offers up any type of solution that can lead to quantifiable actions. Keep it up girl!
I know this isn't exactly family vlogging, but Lil Tay (Claire) was treated so badly by her family. She is who I think of when I think of online child exploitation and I hope she's doing ok.
I don’t even like when my parents put me on their Facebook live, I can’t imagine them filming my whole life
Please talk about Utah based family channels. Morman “journalling” (blogging and vlogging) turned million dollar business is an interesting take.
Yes! I was just listening to 'under the influence' podcast on mommy vlogging and she mentioned a lot of family channels are from Mormons or former Mormons. I'd love to see some more research on why that is
Utah resident here! Mommy blogs mostly started as a way to keep in touch with family pre-facebook/early Facebook, but once realized could turn into a stay at home job, really boomed.
Land of the MLM community too 🙄
@@RBNHGHS13 oh my goodness, yes 🙄 been to more mlm parties than I ever care to go to.
i’m really curious about your feelings towards colleen ballinger. she was famous beforehand but now heavily involves her son (and now unborn twins) in her content. it’s good that she educates people on the hardships of motherhood and pregnancy, but it’s unclear how much her openness is motivated by money and views and how much it will affect her kids later on
i feel like her channel is slightly different, since her content isn’t completely centered around her son. she also makes it a point to not include things like tantrums, potty training, and other things that are potentially an invasion of the child’s privacy. usually, it’s more that she includes the cute moments of her kid while vlogging her own life. however, i still think there is some sort of issue, even if she is slightly better. would love to see her give her opinion about this!
yes i feel you. i think her chanel is diffrent because her channel isn’t dependent on her children. i watch her channel and i see it too but i think this started once quarantine came and her daily blogs began. it was kind of inevitable? but i don’t want to give it an excuse. but yeah i would love to know her thoughts too! props for bringing it up!
I'm glad you talked about the children involved not really being allowed to be "off-brand". I remember going through different phases, especially going from pretty sugary to full on grunge/punk, and it's already mentioned from family and friends. I can't imagine that being from strangers on the internet.
Another thing youtube could do is disable comments on videos that primarily feature kids. I'm pretty sure content creators who are under 18 already can't have comment on their videos, so I don't think content that primarily features children should be able to either.
Yes! Oh my god I can’t imagine how these kids will feel when they realize the entire world saw them go through their embarrassing awkward middle school/high school phases where they’re just trying to figure themselves out. I’m already embarrassed enough when my dad posts throw back pictures of me on Facebook. I can’t imagine how it would feel to have thousands or millions of people seeing that stuff play out in real time (or as close to real time as UA-cam can get). I’m honestly scared to see how this might affect kids’ mental health
Great point about disabling the comments! I looked it up and as of 2019 UA-cam disabled comments on content featuring children under 13 as well as content featuring children 13-18 that might attract "predatory behavior." So really not sure how these family vloggers can still have comments enabled... maybe some kind of loophole on how much screentime the children are getting?
@@collyflower6623 Some were allowed to have comments on if they agreed to moderate them.
@@collyflower6623 UA-cam needs to enforce this better. I see soo many videos that have children and the comments sections is still enabled and popping off
I'm horrified by so much of my childhood and am incredibly grateful that I'm probably the only one that remembers some of the things from it. I can't imagine growing up and realizing that my parents had posted my entire life online to millions.
I relate to this 100%
THIIIIISSSS
Yessss! It would be the worst. I had a rough childhood and I'd die from embarrassment for those moments to be shared with everybody. They're very private and not things I want people's opinions on. I feel so bad for alot of kids growing up now. I only post something about my son a few times a year with his permission and hes 6.
Imagine the kids who’s moms are doing Fenty savage try ons and Adam and Eve sponsors. I would die not just me seeing that but people from school.
@@dannyt7269 well as long as the kids aren’t involved in those videos, moms should be able to post adult content without it being a problem. Parents are still adults with adult interests.
If a kid wanted out, could they even live in some of these houses that have cameras everywhere? Would they have to stay out of the kitchen between noon and 3, eat dinner alone, skip family vacation and keep fingers crossed that they don’t end up appearing anyway?
Personally, the only 'family' content I enjoy watching are those where the focus is on the mum, i.e. is a lifestyle/vlogging/chat channel around them, where most videos just focus on them, but also they happen to have kids who occasionally pop up every now and again. Defs not comfortable with really any child-focussed content, especially 'acted/scripted' content, but also anything that is clearly oversharing their lives.
do you watch Colleen Ballanger?
@@lailaandu3165 I do 😊
Alyson is honestly too nice in her video. Her very first story is enough to prove NO child should EVER have to be in a traumatic scene like that on TV. It doesn't matter if psych is on set. That should be illegal.
Right, the art is not worth it. The movie is not worth it. Whatever the hell it is, it's not worth traumatizing children for.
We have so many giant CGI fights that look STUNNING. Take any of the recent marvel movies and tv shows. At this point there is no point in casting kids (who usually play a very small part in most movies especially compared to the consequence of being ALLOWED to hire child actors).
Smokey Glow consistently carrying UA-cam on her back... top tier content as always
There's a particularly embarrassing story of me as a toddler that my parents like to tell their friends and laugh about, and as an adult i've had to tell my parents not to tell their friends that story anymore because it makes me uncomfortable. Thankfully I was a toddler in the 90s so my parents weren't able to film what happened and post it online. I would be mortified if they had recorded and posted a video of the situation online. I'd probably sue my parents to oblivion if I grew up and saw that.
I know it can be difficult for some people to empathize with others if the situation doesn't effect them directly, so I would encourage everyone to think about that one embarrassing story that your parents like to tell their friends about that makes you uncomfortable, and imagine that your parents filmed and posted that online for strangers to see. That's what a lot of children are having happen to them right now.
What a good comparison!
I remember the feeling of embarassment and not knowing what to do when my parents filmed me just for home videos that no one ever watched. There was no pressure but being filmed just puts some weird expectation on you! I can't imagine what those kids are feeling when that's their whole life!
Remember DaddyO5? How ANYONE could have ever viewed that as ''entertainment'' is just as disturbed as those two so called parents were. My God it was so heart breaking to see what those poor kids went through 😢💔
I do musical theatre and I'm playing a hard part. My character deals with some hard things and ends up dying at the end. My director doesn't want it to affect me personally so I have pre-show and after show routines to make sure I don't get stuck in my characters head space. It's a hard to go through a character's trauma each night. It can take a toll on a person if they let it. I'm so happy that I have a director who cares about me as an actress.
Cares about you as a person****
So glad you have that support!
what show were you in?
@@genesis5927 I played Beth in little women
Because of your discourse on family vloggers I have gotten so passionate about this. I am starting law school in the fall and I plan to study entertainment law. I want to work to put in protections for children in social media like (or honestly better) than the laws in Hollywood
I'm writing a final for a graduate First Amendment Theory class rn I'd be happy to send you after I'm done for the references and citations, if you're interested (:
Love to see this, both of you rock!
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PLEASE do a video on the labrants... for years i've seen them use their kids as content and its always hurt my heart
Yes! And the # goals type life they seem to promote which can’t be as perfect as they post
When they "pranked" the daughter about giving away her dog I was so disgusted. I never actually watched them, I just recognized that guy from Amazing Race. I did see the dog video though and it was HORRID
I love that you’re trying to bring change to UA-cam instead of just being snarky about it. While these family channels deserve at least a bit of snark, it ultimately doesn’t accomplish anything. Family channels likely will not be going anywhere because of the money they bring in. There need to be regulations in place to protect these kids as much as possible.
The dad challenge podcast has been diving into family vloggers for a year now! I always found them uncomfortable to watch but he’s really opened my eyes to the dangers of child exploitation. My heart breaks for these kids! I cannot imagine growing up with a camera constantly in my face and knowing it was being shown to millions of strangers. 😞
As a bright note, Macaulay Culkin seems to be doing really well recently! He made an unexpected appearance in a video another channel I follow put out a while back, and it was really cool to see him. He and Brenda Song welcomed their baby boy on April 5th of this year. 🥺 Of course, I can’t claim to know his or her personal lives, but I really hope they’re doing as well as they seem.
For your evolution of series for family channels, I’d love to see “educational” family channels featured. I used to watch a lot of Fathering Autism and Six Blind Kids content to learn more about kids with disabilities, but the more I started learning about family channels, the more I wondered if filming meltdowns and stuff of nonverbal children who might not be able to give consent is okay, even if the intent is education.
I’m autistic, and if my parents filmed my meltdowns and posted them online it would be so traumatic and horrible. I don’t think it’s okay even for supposed education
They’re still being exploited.
I remember when I was maybe 11 or 12 I started shaving my legs for the first time, and my mom took a picture of me without my knowledge (I was wearing shorts while shaving my legs). When I found out she had taken the picture, I told her not to post the picture to Facebook, but she did anyway. I remember feeling super embarrassed and betrayed and my mom doesn’t have a ton of followers or anything. I can’t imagine how the children of family vloggers feel having basically their whole lives posted online to thousands of people
I had a similar story where my mum waxed my legs for the first time. I was bawling my eyes out the entire time and she told this to my entire family while mocking my “sensitivity.” they all thought it was funny and I felt so betrayed. I couldn’t imagine if she told this story to a platform of millions, or worse showed the footage online. I really do worry for these kids and how this will affect them psychologically in the future
@@jadethirlwall1573 ugh same, I tried to kiss my first crush in kindergarten and my entire extended family knew about it and mocked it for years. I literally felt sick to my stomach from embarrassment - I think about it every time some family vlogger talks about something personal.
That's awful.
I know someone who posted a video of their 3 year old daughter trying to hoola hoop on FB. They also didn't have a ton of followers, but one of their 'friends' ripped the video and put it on Reddit.
It blew up, and I didn't have to drive too deep to find some creepy and deranged comments. That video is still out there, of course, and the girl will one day find it and see all of the disgusting things said about her as a child.
All from one Facebook post.
I used to LOVE watching the Shaytards and their extended family. The kids (now teens) all have their own channels and do sponsored content on Insta. The family had to have a “break” from the internet for awhile after Shay cheated on Katilette. I felt so bad for both her and the kids, having this trauma played out online.
I did too. I think I started watching them in the first year. I loved their videos. Looking back, I feel bad for them. What a cautionary tale for family vloggers.
people like alyson and morgan and mara were some of my favorite actors when i was young, and are some of my favorite humans now. so proud of them and of you, hannah
The Dad challenge podcast is Amazing for this. His hastag is kids can't consent!! He goes after all the sponsors on the family vloggers. He also shows analytics on all the men watching these kids. Plus he Snarks on them. Fantastic
Love Josh! #AlohaPineapples
Oh man. The analytics angle is something I hadn’t even considered. I’m afraid to see that data.
@@taishea Me too!!! Hugs💛🌻💛 snark ring haunted spoon and fried lettece!! LOL
@@lizisasleep It's truly frightening. The labrants 6 year old daughter has an instagram account with 5 million subs and 70%are men ages 22 to 50!! There are hundreds of predator playlists.
Came here to say this! He’s doing good stuff. You two should work together.
I think it is a fantastic idea to make this new series where you point out specific family channels and explain why they are problematic! For whatever reason, some people refuse to see how family channels exploit children and I think showing examples would help people understand.
jamerrill stewert is the correct type of mommy vlogger. you rarely see her kids (the exception being her baby wearing and even then you mostly just see a hat), usually just walking through the frame, she mutes audio if they talk to her about personal things while filming, or rarely they ask to say something to the camera. Mostly hauls and freezer cooking.
Good for her ♥️
I dont mind the channels giving parenting advice like some give kids meal ideas, or some gave homeschooling advice during the pandemic, those sorts of videos a good and helpful without exploiting children.
Also Phill DeFranco’s wife - her name escapes me. She stopped family vlogging bc of mental health reasons, and I think she didn’t want all of her kids lives to be broadcasted like that
Love her channel!!
honestly freezer cooking is so helpful. i got a crockpot definitely would recomend
to me, the worst part about this family vlogger industry is how vulnerable the kids are made to be. as you said, parents are putting their kids’ real lives, genuine flaws, and authentic personalities out there to be judged and hated on. the hate messages these children get are deeply personal, unlike the hate child actors face. even on the flip side, when millions of people are idolizing and loving on a child for their charm or cute appearance, how are they equipped to handle that level of attention?
You're the only UA-camr whose sponsorships I don't skip cause I genuinely love your recommendations
thank u for talking about this
this just breaks my heart honestly, their childhoods are just being stolen from them and it's not okay
My dad said that one time a lady in a mall heard my sister and me talking (we were very young) and she was surprised how well-spoken we were so she told my dad we should be in "show business" and she gave him her card. He said he tossed it immediately because it's been known for ages how Hollywood is terrible to children and any person with common sense knows it. It's awful.
that’s a good dad right there
its interesting once you compare family channels/bloggers with "traditional" celebrities. the majority of celebrities refuse to post their children's faces even if they're just a couple months old (ex: gigi). they're hiding their face for a reason that influencers havent figured out yet. its also interesting seeing these children of celebrities become teenagers and pop up more because they're at the age where they're able to give consent or control their own social media
Growing up, my mom wouldn't even give permission for our pictures to be in the school calendar because she was afraid some weirdo would see us! I can't even imagine putting so much of my child out there in the world!
something i would love for you to focus on in one of your future videos is disabled children specifically. they are the focus of a specific type of internet family channel/account where everything about them is branded as education for abled people. parents will film autistic meltdowns, discuss their child’s medical details, film abusive therapies, and other invasions of privacy under the guise of educating abled people to the “realities” of disability. they also often have an ableist lens of “look how awful it is to live with a disabled person sometimes”. i would love to see you dive into that, and can provide some suggestions if you like!!
Thank you so much for being the voice of so many children that don’t have room to speak up for themselves. It does not go unnoticed. You’re amazing
family vloggers genuinely creep me out sm😳
ikr
They're a different breed! They also creep me out
@@choicethetaurus I wish i was lying when say this is really good
@@choicethetaurus While i don’t encourage it. This not a bad self promo.
This is so great!!! I’d love for you to look into the Ingham Family. They really fly under the radar (despite multiple sexual allegations against the father). The decline in their kids wellbeing in the last few months is so noticeable and tragic. They’ve all been taken out of school and the older ones get largely ignored and neglected.
I remember seeing their Christmas videos pop up in my recommendation when I was younger and I was so baffled at how many gifts their kids got. Sad to see that they aren’t doing well.
They also left their 4 month old baby alone on the beach while they went swimming in the ocean
they also are very problematic like when they let their red headed WHITE DAUGHTER get a protective hairstyle only made and for black people and continue to culture appropriate as well...
@@abigailestrada555 yes !! They play so dumb and used the excuse of “there’s a whole Facebook group of tutorials with white kids” like no. They know what they are doing and that it’s wrong. Part of me wonders if they do it for views ??
@@holvh4389 like and when black people started calling them out they got so defensive and rude and said they were overreacting and rude which sees a lil racist to me but...
I think it would be interesting to see this topic also applied to micro-influencers as well. I have seen a lot of people who push MLM products use their children as a selling point or people feeling the pressure to have more kids as a selling point or to become more “relatable”.
I’ve NEVER understood why family channels are popular because the dynamic is so toxic. Glad you are doing this! I will definitely stay tuned for all of the dedicated videos!