Max Tegmark: AI and Physics | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- Max Tegmark is a physicist and AI researcher at MIT. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
News Project Explainer Video: • Improve the News
News Project Website: www.improvethenews.org/
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Max's Website: space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/
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Lex Fridman Podcast #1: • Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 ...
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
2:49 - AI and physics
16:07 - Can AI discover new laws of physics?
24:57 - AI safety
42:33 - Extinction of human species
53:31 - How to fix fake news and misinformation
1:15:05 - Autonomous weapons
1:30:28 - The man who prevented nuclear war
1:40:36 - Elon Musk and AI
1:54:14 - AI alignment
2:00:16 - Consciousness
2:09:20 - Richard Feynman
2:13:30 - Machine learning and computational physics
2:24:28 - AI and creativity
2:35:42 - Aliens
2:51:25 - Mortality
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0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions:
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2:49 - AI and physics
16:07 - Can AI discover new laws of physics?
24:57 - AI safety
42:33 - Extinction of human species
53:31 - How to fix fake news and misinformation
1:15:05 - Autonomous weapons
1:30:28 - The man who prevented nuclear war
1:40:36 - Elon Musk and AI
1:54:14 - AI alignment
2:00:16 - Consciousness
2:09:20 - Richard Feynman
2:13:30 - Machine learning and computational physics
2:24:28 - AI and creativity
2:35:42 - Aliens
2:51:25 - Mortality
Legend!
Thanks lex. This was great, you're on a roll
LEX, You also are one of the key HUMANS!🗣🗣
Thank you, Sir! I had an idea you might be interviewing Max at some stage, much appreciated.
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I kinda feel like this whole long-form podcast heyday we're enjoying is a 2nd Enlightenment, but this time for everyone and not just the academic community. I can't imagine how many young, future world-changing scientists will be inspired by these amazing conversations. Thanks Max and Lex!
I HOPE that is what is going on. Most regular people lack the confidence to join in such discussions, but these podcasts make it clear that these guys are just like all humans, they’ve just devoted their life to knowledge and learning......instead of carpentry, small-business owner, or delivery driver. As work is automated....its already happening, but in the next 20 years, we will have to deal with mass unemployment.
All of the big revolutions in human thought, occurred where the stress about where the next meal was coming from, diminished. Agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, and now the communications and automation revolution. An explosion of art, philosophy, mathematics, anything......people have drive, the VAST majority of them, and letting go of repetitive, menial human labor, can change the world IMO. I sincerely hope that is where we are headed. Growing pains along the way of course, but its happening.
All that is required is the desire to learn. College and graduate lectures are everywhere. Textbooks can be found anywhere.
One thought that always runs through my mind is how intelligent and philophical the Greeks were.
But no one is talking about how much deeper and informed our conversations are today. Not only are we capable of observing and understanding the biggest black holes, but also the smallest things in the universe.
Now we have the science and technology not just to back up our theories but to help guide us into even more discoverys.
And here we are in the 21st century and we're doing this like Greeks, we're talking about it. We're teaching each other. I have learned so much from Lex and his guests, AND IVE NEVER MET THE MAN. Him and his guests are doctors, scientist, smartest people we can find. AND THEY'RE TEACHING US EVERYTHING THEY KNOW FOR FREE. I'm happy with what we have here and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Have you ever heard of books? They have been around several hundred years and anyone is allowed to read them.
@@Dinosaur761 Books are hard to access and costly, plus they don't scale as well as internet files.
@@RuairidhMason Ever heard of libraries? Also free and for all. Without ads.
This was one of the best 2.5 hours spent for my mind. This Max guy is brilliant and compassionate. A truly admirable human. ❤️
Max tegmark has such a deep understanding of the underlying meanings and mechanisms of complex systems. Genuinely good guy, he radiates a good intention and genuinely seems to care about his fellow man
This is hands down the most awe-inspiring podcast video I have seen in 2021.. I teared up when Max was talking about the soviet hero (although I already knew the story).. and teared up again in the last discussion about life after death. The cosmic perspective presented by insightful scientists never fails to deliver.
thank you for suggesting this podcast You are TOTALLY right !!
ها حنا تابعينك اسيدي تنشوفوا فين غادي بينا هههه تحياتي للرائع المختاري في انتظار شي حوار خاص معاه هه
People like you, Najid, are so rare in comment sections. Thank you for providing “faith” that we may all comment as adults here.
Real recognize real
Why did that soldier not push the button? Maybe God. Maybe con·science.
Lex 'too deep for food network' Fridman : "the thing that makes this pistachio ice cream truly delicious is the knowledge that some day I will die"
@@nihlify because those are the ones that make you WISH you were dying or dead :D
@@DailyCorvid either that, or because they make you closer to death
I just like it because it tastes good. Something terrible tasting doesnt taste any better or worse because im going to die some day.
Death isn't the end. Stay tuned 😉
@@lglennable Slayer - Hell awaits :)
I've been waiting 153 episodes for this!
Damn this is a fantastic podcast
thought he said ep 1 was he on ep 2 ad well?
Dr. Tegmark and Dr. Bostrom are the two intellectuals who really piqued my interested in AI, great podcast.
All in on ARKG!!!!
@Lex Fridman the jungian transcendent function is the path to higher consciousness.
These pod casts really help fulfill my need for intelligent human conversation. Even beyond covid quarantine. Thank You Lexy.
One of my favorite physicists. I could listen to him speak for ages.
Everyone needs to listen to people like Max Tegmark if humanity is going to have any chance of a future.
@@quantum_ocean maybe. Which is why I wrote "like". Doesn't have to be exactly him. But people that are taking these threats cereally.
@@quantum_ocean I don’t think we’re at a point where someone could convincingly say anything about the nature of consciousness. I personally don’t see any proposition that’s more intelligible than IIT, but that’s just relative to my understanding. I’m curious, what’s your intuition about it’s nature?
Yay for Max Tegmark. What a marvelous contribution this podcast is to humanity, Lex. You are exposing us to great thinkers and stimulating us to really see “big picture” and experience optimistic mind expanding as you ask these big questions. So appreciate these brilliant conversations.
What she said 👌
“Humility is at the core of being a good scientist...”
“I think that’s good advice for people in general” 😌
Agreed!
Totally we have to honest and being humble about it .
Love the role reversal! The guest out-romanticises Lex and Lex is the one trying to get it grounded again
Saw Max on the PBS Spacetime theory of everything debates a few days ago. He's a really effective communicator of complex ideas & inspirerer of his students
Starting my full stack cert @ MIT this month. Thank you for all of your excitement in sharing all of these wonderful people and thoughts!
Lex, I've gotten more education from you, than 4 years of college.
Thank you!
The first video of yours I watched, I fell asleep during the intro. Now I'm obsessed with how chill and easy going your demeanour is, great for listening to while multitasking. Keep up the great content, man - scienece needs motivators and communicators like you.
Also your guests are always top knotch so that helps.
I have a science crush on Max Tegmark.
So that is the word I was looking for😆
I have a science and ideological/political crush on this man. I wish more people of his stature and intellect would speak about needing another FDR and how wrong it is that we put CEOs of weapons contractors in DEFENSE cabinet positions.
I know right? I feel same way since first time i had the pleasure to watch one of the annual Asimov's debate hosted by Mr deGrasse Tyson can't remember clearly but maybe it was about the hypothesis we living in/or a simulation... sorry for bad English Have a good one
@@sketcharmslong6289 nah, physicist
Me too, both Lex & Max, so glad science crushes are a thing & that other people have them!
Damn Lex, you keep outdoing yourself, this was a wonderful interview, your making life bearable.
This was a truly awesome conversation
That was cutting edge and bold (!) scientific talk. It feels like the beginning of a new era.
Aaaand there goes the rest of my night.
P.S. Thank you for all that you do. The world is a happier and more joyful place as a result.
Who needs sleep anyway!
There ain't no rest for the wicked
@@jonesiejoneserton2218 money don’t grow on trees
@@user-lp8ur5qn3o I know I can’t slow down
Awesome
Great episode Lex. Max is a great speaker explaining his work in AI and biology. Very enlightening. 👍
I’ve seen a bunch of Lex Friedman podcasts now. I honestly can’t pick a favorite. They’re all fantastic! Like Kuato said in Total Recall, “Open your mind.” But beware, it’s a firehose!
Just finished going through all episodes.
Awesome conversation Lex, but this one the best to date 😎👍🏻
Have you checked the episode of Joscha Bach?
Lex to Joe Rogan "The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master"
I’m really glad that this podcast exists. I can’t understand all the technical parts of the conversation. I really enjoy listening to these podcasts which I normally probably never would have heard in my daily life. Happy New Year Lex 🥳❗️An everyone on this channel❗️Best wishes for everyone 💋
Mary Mary quite contrary, how does your garden grow?
Well, I'm from the future.
9 months have passed.
I'm here and no other humans are here typing away.
Nobody's reading. There's been no worthwhile communication in 9 months.
Forget current humanity they don't understand Internet communication.
Realize you're talking-to future people.
This is a phenomenal conversation Lex!
Totally amazing! Really, i´m so happy to watch this. Thank you both
Lex - The Universe has your back - love your questions. Your are becoming a great philosopher and Interviewer. Excellent Interview; Max Tegmark just got a new fan too. Now I am going to your first interview and try and digest that one. Thank you!
Well said. Thank you for your input and feedback. Mario SIrSirReal Villarreal.
He’s so right about humility, If we all had the grace to practise it we’d collectively be in a way better place on all levels.
Never heard of this man before today but holy hell am I impressed. This guy gets it.
"Everything is better in the west, even the propaganda" Simply brilliant. I don't know if watching Max struggle to resist laughing because you (Lex) were struggling to contain the laughter contagion being transmitted through that effort was the reason why I was laughing or why I couldn't stop laughing.
I agree, I cracked up on that as well.
I feel lucky to have been able to listen to this. Content can't get much better IMO!
Seriously, I often wonder why enough attention isn't paid to these brilliant scientists like Max. He's so practical, humble, and most importantly, has the ability to explain these abstract concepts to the layman like myself.
@@miker7795 couldn't agree more. You can tell he really cares and I never smell a hint of ego w him. Really incredible!
Proud to be a Swede! Seeing Max Tegmark he really has a brilliant mind!
Perfect podcast... Congrats, please keep it going and maybe invite Max again soon
Lex:
reCaptcha: "□ I'm not a robot"
Lex: *sweats*
😂
"When we realise that what we do on our little spinning ball here, in our lifetime, could make the difference for the entire future of life in our universe." - Max Tegmark 2:48:05
Bit arrogant. We're really not that important.
@@nihlify yes I did thanks. I understand the sentiment, every time each of us makes a decision we change the future if the universe, but we are such an insignificant part of the entire universe. We will never know if there is life out there somewhere in our lifetimes, the fact light takes 4 years to travel to our closest star and there are literally billions upon billions of stars. We really are not that important.
We may not be important to you but we are to me. The universe doesn’t care one way or the other.
@@virgilmccabe2828 I'm not saying we're not important to me! That's a completely different thing.
Also I believe that even though we may not be the custodians of the universe we still have a responsibility to act as if we are...just in case
Why does he post these at night, I’m trying to get sleep here
Dood! Lol same
@@720scremastered lmfao the smiley
Dude his videos ain't going anywhere, he's no Joe Rogan
Jake Hamlin that’s true, he’s Rogan 2.0
Same
I thought this talk might be too complicated to take in but he is such a great communicator I find I'm rivetted !
This is the first 3+ hour long podcast made by anyone that I watched in its entirety in one sitting. Your questions hit the sweet spot and Max hits them out of the park. It felt 30 minutes long. 👍🏼
Thank you Lex and Max for this amazing and insightful conversation!
This is probably one of my favorite episides because Max Tegmark is truly brilliant and just a cool individual. And also he in no uncertain terms rings the alarm for the dangers of AI.
What a fascinating interview. I plan to listen to it a couple more times. Thank you for the quality of people you bring on your program, and thanks for sharing quality and very intellectually relevant material.
Love you Lex!!!! You have made my quarentine barable. This was such a good one. I am a pessimist and his thoughts made me value the beaty in life. Thanks.
Thanks for your work Lex. You have an fantastic ability and understanding to bring out the most wonderful conversations in people.
Thanks Lex and Max! This was a wonderfully informative and interesting discussion. I love listening to both of you.
Of all the Lex Interviews that I have listened to, this one is Head and Shoulders above all the rest. Not only is Max a brilliant thinker, his range of inquiry is vast, and most importantly, he communicates at a level that I can understand. Thank you Lex. Please have him back soon. Not only is he Number One in your podcast, he's now Number One in My Book Of Questions I like to think about.
This is a gem! Thank you Lex and Dr Tegmark for all that you do!!
Thank you for producing such interesting discussions!
Great interview. Max's always interesting .
Love how good the conversation flowed.
Lex you are a world treasure my friend. I always find wonderful, and extremely thoughtful conversations. These are the types of conversations I wish that I could have on a regular basis.
One thing to consider about the ethics at 36:40, there are also situations where such a logic in a car would get abused. E.g. If "a selfdriving car would never accelerate into a human" (which at first sounds reasonable), carjackers could just jump in front of your car. Or for more hostile environments, it could also prevent escaping from dangerous situations.
Lives are full of edge cases...
Excellent point! Give Elon a call!
Bringing AI into all situations, I'm sure such things as 'car jacking' attempts can be recognised at least as quick as you or I could fathom. I'm thinking of a power surge in reverse then a spectacular 180 under advanced steering and brakes - with captured video of everything. With relevant evidence, the security of the car passengers would warrant 'alternative' AI routines.
That was one of the best podcasts I've ever seen. 3 hours flew by, what an amazing man.
This is possibly the most eye-opening, "why didn't I see these truths sooner" kind of podcast I've ever heard - it makes a lot of sense to me, whether or not I want to believe it. Thanks again for another great podcast.
Hi Lex, just learned about you a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely love the content. Your voice is so soothing. You’re different than the usual scientists and engineers. Me too! I hope to meet u some day. Keep up the stimulating work. Breath of fresh air
It's tough to get two dudes in one room with this much radness.
“He has been one of the key humans...” - more evidence that Lex is a robot hahaha
I still trust Lex more than I trust President Executron.
Made me laugh out loud when he said it :D
Robot brain in human body. The ol switcheroo
Or alien
Lex is an AI robot that reached AGI in a far and distant future alien civilization that was sent back in time (within the simulation) to alter a dystopian future.... by wearing a black suit and starting a podcast. The podcast was the only thing that would prevent Lex from gaining self awareness and taking over the world... 🤖😱🤯💥🥸.
Only 30min in and I think this might be the best podcast thus far. THIS IS SO GOOD!
Second tour.
Max Tegmark is great, we see its comments, posts, lessons, whatever, and he's always nice and helpful, open minded.
After 155, Lex has improved a lot, Max is always a good person to rely on.
Congrats to both of you. 🙏
Lex you are killing it lately, thanks
Hey Lex, these Podcasts are fire, especially when you ask about aliens haha. Keep doing awesome brother, these podcasts are really informative and boggles the mind.
Wow congrats on 890K subs, fantastic talks Lex, the time flies.
Wow, that OUTLINE in the description! _Definitely_ watching this one.
This conversation is so beautiful. I continue to have so much hope and inspiration for the future. Both of your conversations have open my eyes to many things and I absolutely loved reading life 3.0 one of my favorite books. the Resource you created I've share that with my family, friends, and community and it is such a needed tool. Thank you so much for your knowledge and wisdom that you shared. I'm so excited that we live in a day and age where we have tools like UA-cam that can help provide a conduit to be exposed to messages like yours.
Is it me or does max sound like he could do a Christopher Walken impersonation, with just a slight shift in cadence.
That was the best answer to the mortality question I've seen so far. Your quarks and electrons will be gone, but your ideas will live on.
This was a GREAT conversation 👏 I will probably watch it agian!
This was by far my favorite podcast to date, Lex . Incredibly inspiring to listen to Max, with his philosophical quirks and great intuition about the universe. Your questions were excellent and made this podcast a truly unique experience. Thanks , Lex
Amazing conversation, brilliantly done as ever Lex. I really like "improve the news" - If it were possible to make it more focussed on my region - the UK that'd be great, (I note the preferences section) I'm not so interested in USA political news, amazing place though it is. How else can we use machine learning to get more truthful/ insightful information?
I'm now in a mature situation of life where I've got time to spend and explore. Based on your perhaps similarly relevant comment for you, as and when you do find the time, it can be enlightening how letting such things as 'varying' Lex interviews broaden your horizon, awareness and consideration.
Thanks for making available these conversation with such intelligent people. Its needed and wanted And inspiring.
Phenomenal conversation. Thank you very much.
I would just like to thank you for having such stellar guests... and...
"Nice beaver."
I’m only halfway through but this is easily one of the best podcast episodes I’ve ever heard.
Fantastic discussion, thank you Max and Lex! Would you please clarify how to get hold of the Improve the news app? I cannot seem to find it.
What a great podcast, really enjoyed the three hours.
I wish Max would tell this in a live interview on CNN.
Max is such an interesting guy, and I always pay attention to his thoughts.
One of the best interviews of my lifetime.
Been watching Lex a pretty good while. IMO this is one of the most informative and enjoyable interviews I've seen. Max is the real deal. Such a brilliant and affable man. Great interview.
Bro...im trying to sleep. C'mon man, ya killing me smalls! Killing me!!!!
This was such a beautiful conversation, Max has become one of my favorite humans on this planet in just 3 hours of hearing him speak, truly a wonderful world we live in.
max is one of my personal heroes. this is gonna be awesome.
Thank you Lex for giving us a voice to our curiosity.
Not even 10 minutes in, and can tell it's going to be a banger. Episode 1 to 155, those who have waited have been rewarded.
Life 3.0 & our mathematical univ are mindblowing👍
Great conversation. I specially enjoyed the last 25 min or so about the filters 👍🏻
This is brilliant!
Thank you so much lex!
I would love to see you talk about the nature of the nature of the consciousness of AI
You should talk to Yuval Noah Harari, your intro echoed the sentiment that he had when discussing the future with Steven Pinker.
There is a conversation between him and Max actually on UA-cam.
Great one Lex! Absolutely fantastic and exciting! Thank you!
Have you read Rupert Sheldrake? Would you consider an episode with him?
The fact that the great content like this is available on the Internet is amazing...
I really hope Max launches improve the news as an app, I’d use that as my main news source 100%. There’s too much bias in the news, having a source that is programmed to filter that for you is a great idea and will be a big benefit to society
Thank you gentlemen for sharing this amazing conversation... I am tearfully grateful! Blessings to you both :)
Max and Lex conversation... inspiring. Thank you.
I just have to say that earlier today while I was watching your first interview with Max, and you were discussing the ai intelligence issue that it made me put those two words together, intelligible intelligence, and now to hear Max say them together is awesome.
Thank you for these conversations Max.
Dancing robots
Peace
I’m excited to try out his news app. And to also share with others
what is it called?
As usual, great interview, great interviewer and great guest 👍
David Eagleman comes to mind on Max's comment about death. Eagleman said something like, you cease to exist in three ways: when you die physically, when your name is spoken for the last time, and the last time you cross someone's mind.