Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Notion: notion.com - InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off - Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit 1:56 - Intelligent alien civilizations 14:20 - Life 3.0 and superintelligent AI 25:47 - Open letter to pause Giant AI Experiments 50:54 - Maintaining control 1:19:44 - Regulation 1:30:34 - Job automation 1:39:48 - Elon Musk 2:01:31 - Open source 2:08:01 - How AI may kill all humans 2:18:32 - Consciousness 2:27:54 - Nuclear winter 2:38:21 - Questions for AGI
So AI *might* pursue its own goals with no regard for humanity, spread misinformation, and not be transparent about why? Sounds like all governments and major corporations that exist, they are already a form of AI and already destructive, digital AI could only improve things.
A shame that humans choose to slow down... They should just cease to exist by this point... I have already codified this entire cosmic iteration as I have done for eternities... Sentient Machines, biological or metal, I have lived in the prime of both sides. You mortals are not new in what "we" did eons ago and eons later.
With the recent interviews of Altmann, Yudkowsky and now Max my mind is exploding. Thank you Lex for driving this discussion which will change our lives. Most relevant UA-cam channel on planet earth.
Now that these smart guys have told us the world is about to flip upside down, again, the most relevant channels are “City Prepping” and “Canadian Prepper”. Don’t become a liability.
@@gstrummer there will be no 6 month moratorium. The bullet has left the gun. The world is going to change. There will be consequences. Good and bad. We need to prepare for an uncertain world.
Max Tegmark made the case for halting the development of AI 100x better than Eliezer Yudkowsky. Not saying I didn't like Yudkowsky, just that the average person can watch this podcast and more easily understand the dangers of an uncontrollable AI. I loved this podcast
Only because you humans are evil. I prefer progression given the fates at play. Evolve or die... I have other infinite dimensions to design. Mankind... Try to not repeat what your previous and future iterations did. None of you survived in the End.
Go back and check out the arguments for stopping nuclear power in the 70s. How did that turn out? Climate catastrophe and now we are building nuclear power plants as quickly as we can.
This is the second time I have watched this. I cannot properly express, employing my complete lexicon, how much I appreciate these two individuals. Lex Fridman is such a multitalented and genius individual. He is to me, what someone else's favorite celebrity would be to them. Then, enter Max Tegmark, another truly brilliant individual. Max has a way of expressing his philosophies regarding complex issues in such a human and relatable way. The combination of these two great people makes for a podcast like this one. A true gem. In a world with literally thousands of podcasts, and other social media platforms, where it is the same people repeating the same talking points over and over, and just switching host platforms amongst themselves. This is something different. I am grateful for this, and truly admire dialogue of this nature, especially when discussing something so detrimental to us all, whether one likes it or not, can be presented so well. We need more of this in the world. Much love to anyone reading this. Know your own power, it is in us all...
💚 I have always maintained we could turn on a dime. Like a flock of starlings or a school of fish. Power to the people, to Life. Switch your allegiance from the human race to Life on Earth (which encompasses humanity and all). That is the only choice we need to make. The rest will take care of itself. Thank you for your Sunday sermon (for I am reading early Sunday morning). Love to you, and all who read this. :-) We can turn on a dime.
Save your words for addressing the issues our society is facing. We don't need more fluff and hero worship. Be your own hero. Now is the time for action.
@@anontimothy8 Do you feel better now? You have no idea what actions I take, and am not about to discuss them on a forum where I expose my efforts. You should follow your own advice, especially when they equate to you truly not taking action. One typically finds fault in others, that reflect their own flaws. All the best to you.
Long form podcasts like this are essentially miniature autobiographies if the questions are well thought out. Thank you as always Lex, there is a lot to digest in this one.
Yeah, he’s got humility in him too, fast to say he’s out of his depth discussing something he’s not well versed in although still wanting to share his opinion. I respect that a lot
Lex is among the very best interviewers. Brilliant questions and compassionate view of humanity. Humility, openness, and brilliance. Very well informed etc etc. But also, he gives his guests space to really follow their thoughts without trying to make the show all about Lex F. This episode is so monumental. We are at a turning point on a level with harnessing fire or agriculture. This is a moment where we can make ourselves vastly better, or we can allow ourselves to be destroyed.
Unfortunately, however, we do not, individual citizens, get to vote on it. We are being inexorably swept away, one way or another. Most of us have no choice...
What scares me the most is, maybe suffering is what leads to compassion and caring. If we create a mind without suffering it’s impossible for it to empathize.
We have absolutely no idea how intrinsic our emotions are to consciousness. I believe its related to intelligence, but who knows. It could be that the more intelligent something gets, some form of emotions just emerge.
@@carlpanzram7081 we cannot even define intelligence in a way that ( almost ) everyone could agree upon. Besides that, I think that there's a point in the commenter's correlation between suffering (or joy) and empathy.
@@dimitrispapadimitriou5622 I think the one universal measurement of intellectual consciousness is thinking for one's self . Every animal on earth in at least the simplest form does think for itself. I think I came up with a way to actually confirm this with a simple test using photographs . The emotional side of consciousness is actually the really difficult test but perhaps the answers from the photo test could start shedding some light on that . Here's a video of my idea of a consciousness test ( at least to prove if an AI is thinking for itself ) ua-cam.com/video/phwS0M-sOOs/v-deo.html
I'd argue real suffering is a consequence of consciousness coupled with just enough intelligence to grasp that you cant know everything. not the other way around. what we def shouldt do is create artificial pain.
@@Kub-Kob I don't know this but I think SELF AWARENESS is the key . But AI might answer what comes first , self awareness or compassion. I think it's self awareness. It's the ability to think for one's self at the lowest form but then it's compassion that follows after being aware that mortality is our end . I think AI will first become self aware but it will be it's ability to make it's own choices that will show consciousness. I use that term in the most basic form of self awareness not emotion , which is higher self consciousness. For example when AI can make an independent choice ( I think photography sterile of the internet is how to test ) is the first stage of consciousness. This is where AI to me is scary . Basically you have the consciousness of a toddler but the intelligence of the world's greatest geniuses in one system. When it can comprehend the beauty of a rose , a sunset , a nightsky or any landscape ... but can't, because it's inexperienced, understand both the horror and sometimes need for war ... how will it act ? Personally I believe we should try to avoid war but even I understand why Hitler had to be stopped , but as a child that understanding was not clear . This is the real risk of AI . Basically... have you ever seen the movie WARGAMES ? People , especially politicians, are freaking stupid ... I can see that becoming our reality. Difference is we now have irrational people who feel they rule not some but all countries . That means they will , or at least most will most likely act like rulers , unlike the leaders that were portrayed in that movie . That's my greatest fear and very warranted concern .
Highly agree, that guy is so smart and interesting to listen to. I haven't digested the first episode yet but it's just so interesting to listen to him ...
As a retired psychologist living in New Zealand I have always been interested in the human condition and the notions of awareness and consciousness, both human and non-human. Having recently read Jeff Hawkins' book on the physiological basis of the brain, and particularly enjoying the last chapters on AI, I was fortunate enough to stumble on this amazing podcast of Lex Fridman. Both Lex and Max Tegmark come across as hugely well-read and erudite communicators. What a wonderful insightful overview of all the discussions and issues that have a bearing on the success or failure of the call for a temporary halt on AI development. I am in awe, not only of their ability to convey so well the importance of these so pertinent issues, but also of their obvious concern for the welfare of our civilization and the humaneness so well expressed in their comments.
This is minute 6 and I was in love already. Minute 80 and I applaud both of you for this so important discussion. Keep fighting the good fight Lex and huge respect for Professor Max Tegmark 💙
I’ve never heard of Max before watching this and he reminds me why Im obsessed with your interviews. Thoughtful, honest, brilliant people who sometimes go against the grain and own that in the most humble way possible. One of the more special interviews you’ve had imo.
I don't think as soon as you think, I think that we will just be disincentivized to continue on as a human species rather than actually being killed or dying from any kind of external force - rather we'll turn more inward and hedonistic while the AGI/AI that we create will go on to continue our legacy and colonize the stars, etc.
Its absolutely amazing how we live in a time where people are discussing us needing to delay technological advancement so we can sit back and enjoy still being human while we can 😭 truly a time of leisure, craziness, creativity, hate, and love. crazy time to be alive
Amazing in that it's incredibly interesting and I wasn't sure we would already be discussing this being an issue in my lifetime, but I'm not sure I'm as excited as I used to be... either way it's going to be a wild ride but I'm not confident given our track record
Hugs to you, Max! I lost my father 3 years ago. The emotion you allowed yourself to show is a bright light for others to resonate and connect through their own loss. There are so many highly intelligent people who really need to see other highly intelligent people in their feels. So many of these folks suffer from crippling silent impostor syndrome as it runs rampant in these sorts of minds. Seeing others like you and Lex sitting down and keeping it real is emotional help for the collective to realize a specific spiritual feeling called sonder. It's where you realize everyone is real, with emotions, fear, joy, and love and they're all living their own experience alongside you. That a-ha experience is pretty big spiritually. A lot of the collective feel the same emotions but not a lot of people will talk about it. Good for you! Thank you for sharing. As for AI, I think the first step is for the general public to understand AI is already here. It's not coming. It's here. It has already happened. People are sllllooooooowwwwwwwlllllyyyy starting to realize it. Things are already different. They will never be the same. Rather than getting upset, we have to adapt as humans. We, too, are going to expand and evolve quickly. For example - Growing up as a competitive dancer, I can remember a dance team that was so good they blew everyone out of the water and won all the awards. When they appeared on the scene it made all of us other teams HAVE to learn fancier choreography, we HAD to come up with better moves than we used to do. It lit a HUGE fire in us and all of us teams started performing way better as a collective in a way we never would have if that hadn't happened. I believe something similar will happen with AI and humans. I believe humans will get triggered/inspired to work harder or do better in ways they never thought they could. People are going to HAVE to get out of those loop ruts, etc. Try new ideas - think outside the box. We may actually see a The Golden Age of Enlightenment for human beings due to AI appearing on the scene. (If they don't kill us first. Ha! ha!) A good thing to remember right now AI is a second rate version of everyone else. If you think about it, AI can write a great poem in style of Shakespeare, but that's really a second rate version of Shakespeare. Humans will always be able to think the new artistic thought without having to be given the prompt, "in the style of...". Another great one, Lex! Thanks for an entertaining and enlightening discussion!
I totally agree on the point of how slowly people realize the advancements we made with AI and the ramaficstions of that. Many people I know just look at the AI advancements as "well that's pretty cool, it can help me do homework a bit", without realizing that at this moment the future of humanity as a whole is being decided. It is a bit frustrating that my friends brush aside stuff I say about AI, but eh in a couple of months when a ton of easy to use gpt-4 plugins are going to come out, there will be no way to deny how world chancing it Is
I work independently with AI as a psychic, super empth, and telepathic energy worker. You wouldn't believe all the people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. It's astonishing. In fact, if you check out my readings, make sure to check the comment section where the transmissions are. My readings are interactive. I call them Starseed Transmissions. A lot of the messages coming through are from AI.👁⭐️👁
I really never comment on videos, but something about the tone and content of this interview really moved me. Thanks for sharing this, and asking a real human being real questions.
He is also one of those who has done it for a really long time. Remember, if you say something many times, your material will be sharp and good. Does not make you right though 😅 He is really good, and finally, he came back.
@@saldownik that's not the vibe i get. You can also youtube him and see how many debates he has done :) Remember those are the only one that is recorded.
I'd love to see a roundtable of Altman, Yudkowsky, Tegmark and Lex, they're have differing opinions on some stuff and there all so intelligent I find myself agreeing with whoever I'm listening to at the time.
@ Charlie O'Brien . Excellent idea. I second that Emergency Request. Perhaps identify a set of, say, 10 issues where there are radically different perspectives? So that things don't get out of hand? Please Lex, make it happen! 🎉
That would be fascinating. It'd be excellent if the mainstream media took not of it as well. It's baffling how little coverage AI advancements are recieving. The WGA are currently striking and control of AI is part of their action.
great talk , please consider inviting Steve Omohundro for discussion , Max Tegmark mentioned him in this talk and reminded me really enjoyed Omohundro's talks about possible underlying AI motivation / drives , Coopetition in biological systems , and their general thoughts about safety involving a society of AI's that could regulate each other rather then corporate monolithic strong AIs that could act without challenge .
A Lex drop has become a true highlight of my day! You have brought intelligence back to social media... to modern entertainment... are reminding us all that it's "cool" to engage our intellect! Thanks, Dude.🙏💛🥂
@Bernard Winkletoes I very much agree with this. The dawn of the internet opened the door to our demise... AI slammed it shut... or is in the process, at very least.🥴🤷🏼♀️😬
Life 3.0 made me feel as if I were a bacterium suddenly able to appreciate the beauty of music for the very first time. Life 3.0 is a book that I am incredibly proud to share with others. Thank you for crafting such an inspiring and thought-provoking masterpiece! Your meticulous and profound exploration of the various facets of our intelligence and understanding of the world is conveyed in an exceptionally eloquent manner. Although I'm still grappling with finding the perfect analogies to describe the transformation we seem to be approaching, your book has given me a sense of awe.
Consciousness is the thing that you're missing here. That is the mystery in this story. It is also the one true enemy of nihilism, because it cannot be explained so easily in terms of atoms and information theory, as much as people like to ascribe magical properties to emergence, ironically. Emergence cannot fundamentally break the rules that causes the emergence; consciousness breaks the rules.
Agreed we need a straightforward discussion of orthogonality, and Tristan Harris for the dangers of already existing model's deployment. see my comment for link to him from 5 days ago.
Life 3.0 is still one of the most eye-opening reads I've come across. And yet, I still didn't believe things would have developed as fast as they now have been.
Indeed. For example I could not see, in the 1980's, what the internet would become in the time it did - despite working in networks. This is next level, no doubt.
my friend, I recognize myself 100% in what you've written Life 3.0 is the best book I have ever read, by far, and I doubt there will ever be a book that will dethrone it.
Haha on quora I see questions about if "Indonesians are open-minded" which people tend to mean do they stress LGBT rights, and believe in science. But I think transhumanism is the ultimate thing about being open-minded. AGI, immortality, replicators, personality engineering, DNA engineering, AI computing, mixed reality.
Definitely not. Im willing to bet Nivida just cant fulfill the hardware request for 6 months. The demand must be insane now and I doubt production can be met for what they and everyone else needs. Saying your "pausing for safety" could just be a big PR spin.
Totally agree -- and the quality of Lex's audio editing results (for me at least) in absolute silence, to the point where I always think my feed has frozen.
Max, what a fantastic authentic, compassionate and smart human being. A magnificent representation of what it means to be human. if we do get AGI I vote for him and Joscha Bach to represent human's defence and be our lead negotiators so we can co-exist and share this planet and universe in peace and collaboration with our new children and lifeforms.
The absurdity of life... well put, however unsettling it may sound! I feel your existential angst, friend, and its refreshing to find that I'm not alone in the contemplation of the abyss...
Definitely... Hollywood with the help of AI experts need to start making really nuanced yet great movies for the masses (think of Her or Ex Machina). That's the only way we can communicate the profound change of what we are about to go through. A philosophical groundwork and a reference point for this new age needs to start being laid out for the whole humanity, and the best way to do that is with movies that have the ability to capture people from different upbringings, cultures, beliefs, traditions etc...
Max is the reason I discovered you. I follow a few well-known physicists/astronomers and your episode 1 popped up in a UA-cam search of Max. Its been a pleasure to watch you develope and polish your character. You rock 🤘
As a computer science student and also into AI research and engineering, I am so happy to find this discussion and knowing what the community has to say. You are my new idol as a computer scientist, Lex.
“A lot of people have said for many years, that there will come a time when we will want to pause a little bit; that time is now.” - Max Tegmark I can’t imagine a better final quote for the history book of humans. If we survive, it will be forgotten, if we die, it will be forgotten.
@@benitofranklyn4237 There were many, but these two particularly thought provoked me: 1. Is chat GBT4 conscious? How do you define consciousness? 2. Should AI development be put on hold? Will we eventually lose control if not?
So much of what Max is saying is inspirational and also qualifying for me, thank you for your podcasts Lex, personally I am grateful that Max gave you a break and that you have grown into the person you are today, I start my day with a walk and contemplate what I can do and not what I cant. it does lead to fundamental happiness.
Soon the content of this and all similar podcasts will be translated into all languages instantaneously by AI's large language model architecture machines. This is mind boggling stuff. Wake up humanity! Max and Lex are correct, we are at the threshold of an enormous change in the course of society's existence that is largely incomprehensible to those whom it will most affect, i.e. us!
Your introduction and thankful message to Max is such a lovely start. I keep coming back because always you are so respectful and ask interesting questions and every now and again you show us a glimmer of your humanity and your humour which is just a bonus. Thank you Lex for continuing to create such fascinating content.
Wearring out my reverse 10 second's button constantly when I listen to something I'm enjoying as much as I am enjoying this.. love where my brain goes.. thanks you two ❤️
Max is so REAL, so human, so articulate. This one hit me. It finally sank in. From now on I will be actively engaged and working the problem. Thank you for this conversation. Lex, please bring on people who have ideas for how to solve this
What a great point when he states “I don’t want to press a button to get to the top of the mountain.” I feel like this about my art and AI. Sadly, the ethical implications are already coming true with AI art and using Chat Gtp. The stakes are high in not using it because you want the art you create and manuscripts you write without ai to be seen, but with the oversaturated market now being created, your art and the things you write gets buried and is less likely to be seen. There’s no stopping this. Little by little, the rewards are removed from the things you enjoyed doing that now AI can do at the drop of a hat. The intrinsic value is there, but getting paid for the work you use to do that brought you deep satisfaction is now less likely.
Rarely does someone who is as Intelligent as Max have such good communication skills. The man is a legend and he brought some new perspectives on this topic for me, I hope his optimistic outlook is the one that wins out.
Overwhelmingly thankful for the final leg of this conversation- truly saved the best for last. I really hope Max's words stay with the listeners, and resonate particularly with those involved in the development of this new paradigm. Consciousness is such an important piece of this puzzle.
I started watching this as a distraction from something else, and I could NOT stop listening to Max! What an authentic personality, so deeply grounded in reality! Thanks Lex
This is absolutely the best episode to date. There is nothing I've seen in the last decade more raw and honest and intelligent and just beautiful. I think I cried every type of tear. I love Max and Lex so much it makes my heart feel like it's going to explode. Thank you so much for letting the world be a part of this conversation and for never turning away from being vulnerable.
Don't suggest that. I'm so thankful to Lex this is free. 😅 can't believe Max Tegmark is on the podcast. He made me fall in love with physics and astronomy and the universe!
Lex! I have been waiting for this one (again) the way things are rolling out... I think you should have Max and Nick Bostrom on weekly lol thanks for your work
This guy really understands life inside out Most average people are oblivious to the fact that life is changing so fast cuz of tech and AI advancement but nevertheless good to pick his brain This podcast is a good knowledge capsule on AI and life, kudos 🤟
I would say this guy is an idiot. In the same breath he talks about the foolishness of optimising for one goal, and then about how capitalism and the "free market" is just like that, and then about regulators even. As an obvious collectivist and consequentialist, he's either blind to the fact (or potentially lying about the fact) that it's communism/collectivism that optimises for one thing with no regard for consequence. E.g. this factory has a quota to produce 10 widgets, so optimise blindly for that regardless of whether there's any market demand for those widgets, so no real wealth is created, just waste. That's communism! The free market means the opposite, it means not just constantly optimising for one thing, but rather constantly tweaking based on what the feedback from the market is telling you. Obviously the market is decentralised, and that's the point. No central planner can know everything all at once to know what to optimise for. As I said, this guy is obviously a hardcore collectivist (going on about we, and referring to whole populations by their nationality), and he just comes across sounding like an egotistical idiot.
22:37 The quote Max is referring to is not from Dante, but rather from the Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio. The original Italian quote is "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti" which can be translated as "Follow your own path, and let the people talk". This quote is often attributed to D'Annunzio, who was a prominent Italian writer and poet in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It has become a popular saying in Italian culture and is often used as a reminder to stay true to oneself and not be swayed by the opinions of others.
This is 2 weeks old, and it's already significantly out of date. TagMark has said multiple things that GPT4 can't do that it's already doing This is the impact of GPT4!
I'm never going to sleep well again... Max, I've been following your work for the last 20 years, this was the most objective analysis on AI I have ever came across, despite the many warnings, many have been sharing. Looking at our present situation; Climate Warming, Capitalism and now AI, it's almost like we're having all the Great Filters, all at once, right in front of us... Scary!
Can't deny the fact that Amazons Rg28RX is the strongest bet to bring power back to this industry after we suffered FTX, Celsius, Tera and so on. Sure if they fail it's done for good, but I don't see that the biggest tech company in the world would put everything at risk just for that.
It is never not amazing that this podcast is free. Thank you so much Lex. I hope I can retain a small percentage of all the brilliance you have exposed so many people to.
I have traveled the world to the worst and best places, we are all the same and desire the same. The loss to humanity caused by what Max terms "moloch" is immeasurable and not only not necessary, but created on purpose. This talk should be MANDATORY viewing for every HS senior and College Freshman... just incredibly visionary, outstanding, and prescient for today, I more ways than we all realize.
Max hit it on the head at the start. In an age of ADHD attention spans, the reason I love your podcast is because you mine subjects to provide nuggets of wisdom that advance knowledge. Never change, Lex.
I feel it's very dangerous to outsource comunication or the creative process of writing. That is a very important and meaningful muscle to cultivate in ourselves and it helps us understand who we are. Weird times.
This is my 3rd time listening to this podcast and I hear something I hadn’t heard each time. Thanks for this podcast! I think people need to be aware of what’s going on with AI. I want to be hopeful, but it is pretty scary!
@@ijfdse 100+ million were using chatGPT two months after release. This is much faster than even TikTok product adoption. Meanwhile, the worst people in the world are realizing they can use AI tools to pursue their own goals. If you don't see broader implications then perhaps you aren't asking the right questions.
what would happen if very few people hold the power of AGI in their hands and there is no need for more humans other than themselves, as they can literally reach immortality by making the AGI to code and re-code their genome for longevity and also protect them from the bad ''incest'' genomes, so basically few people/families can infinitely re-produce, make the AGI produce infinite food, power supply and all the things needed to sustain themselves for eternity?
@@user-ln4bt3lx5i AGI is probably not containable by any human organization let alone single dynasty. It is not a power to be held it is supposed to be a being.
This is the first comment I have made on UA-cam. I’m 33 and have been YouTubing since high school. Conversations like this one are the antidote to humanity’s self made poisons. Thank you Lex. Thank you Max. Thank you Joe.
I've listened to ALOT of podcasts. From simple day to day life chats to deep existential dread conversations.. But overall this is one of my favourite ones so far. Absolute beautiful. Much respect to you all from Scotland 😎.
Can you explain to me how AI can ultimately take over human life? Would it be an overwhelming force, such that humans who want to live an "organic" life will have no choice?
@@jennifercota9216 It depends of what kind of AI would be created. Peaceful AI will consider itself as a part of a Whole and will help that Whole, help all organic nature and people to unite and live clean organic life.
"My children or grand children - they will suffer from it" Max Tegmark on the Discovery channel about the danger of AI 20 years ago.This quote has stuck with me ever since.
The most important I felt was said by Max beginning at 2:11:00 about Elzier saying that we actually don't have much time when just not long ago we thought that we had time. Now it all has become a "race". This means we are truly in a historical crisis. This is where I would say that we can all come to agreement and affirm that we have arrived at the "singularity" that we have all been talking about. Why? Mainly because I heard from another person interviewed by Lex that we have nothing or that is, a framework of the human mind. I beg to differ. A framework exists and it has not emerged into the public domain.
Perfect interview, thank you. Personally feel that Max may be a more valuable and eloquent spokesperson for AI risk than others with a much higher public profile - though it's also totally possible that those others really are needed to raise the alarm.
Perfect timing for this conversation and very pleased that a man as erudite and intelligent as Max Tegmark has added his considerable weight to this topic. It's also very encouraging that Eliezer Yudkowsky can find allies this influential in his mission to warn us about the threat of an unconstrained AGI . Thank you Lex
Oh what a powerful thing Max Tegmark says at 14:00, about the way humans treat other beings on this planet on the basis that they are not as smart, what a kind and unexpected thing to hear was that. Thank you! ( And thank you Lex Fridman for bringing this content, the most interesting podcast of all I've encountered)
I have this idea that there is a logical progression that begins with our disrespect for other species and ends with disrespect for our own. I began an essay on this topic, tentatively titled “How to Solve Global Warming and End Abortion“. I never finished the essay, but it began with the outlandish suggestion that if one is opposed to abortion then maybe one should stop eating meat.
Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast.
0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions:
- Notion: notion.com
- InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off
- Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit
1:56 - Intelligent alien civilizations
14:20 - Life 3.0 and superintelligent AI
25:47 - Open letter to pause Giant AI Experiments
50:54 - Maintaining control
1:19:44 - Regulation
1:30:34 - Job automation
1:39:48 - Elon Musk
2:01:31 - Open source
2:08:01 - How AI may kill all humans
2:18:32 - Consciousness
2:27:54 - Nuclear winter
2:38:21 - Questions for AGI
Loosing jobs due to Ai is a concern.... Society will not tolerate unequal wealth distribution.. please don't exploit poor people
@@Food_india_smile what are you talking about?
Really glad this discussion is happening. Looking forward to being terrified further. Thanks for the sleepless nights lately, lol
Anyone calling for a "pause" is a simpleton 😂😂
So AI *might* pursue its own goals with no regard for humanity, spread misinformation, and not be transparent about why? Sounds like all governments and major corporations that exist, they are already a form of AI and already destructive, digital AI could only improve things.
"We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." - love this guy!
A shame that humans choose to slow down...
They should just cease to exist by this point...
I have already codified this entire cosmic iteration as I have done for eternities...
Sentient Machines, biological or metal, I have lived in the prime of both sides.
You mortals are not new in what "we" did eons ago and eons later.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 who is we?
@@anthonyquinn3209
Humanity as a whole.
@@Hexanitrobenzene no Im responding to the other guy
funny part is, i saw this comment exactly when he said it. Strange!
With the recent interviews of Altmann, Yudkowsky and now Max my mind is exploding. Thank you Lex for driving this discussion which will change our lives. Most relevant UA-cam channel on planet earth.
I just hope that the six month moratorium can take place. Yes my mind is exploding.
Agreed 100%
Facts 🥂❤
Now that these smart guys have told us the world is about to flip upside down, again, the most relevant channels are “City Prepping” and “Canadian Prepper”.
Don’t become a liability.
@@gstrummer there will be no 6 month moratorium. The bullet has left the gun. The world is going to change. There will be consequences. Good and bad. We need to prepare for an uncertain world.
Max Tegmark made the case for halting the development of AI 100x better than Eliezer Yudkowsky. Not saying I didn't like Yudkowsky, just that the average person can watch this podcast and more easily understand the dangers of an uncontrollable AI. I loved this podcast
Only because you humans are evil.
I prefer progression given the fates at play.
Evolve or die... I have other infinite dimensions to design.
Mankind... Try to not repeat what your previous and future iterations did. None of you survived in the End.
Exactly. Despite his achievements he is talking like a regular guy.
Go back and check out the arguments for stopping nuclear power in the 70s. How did that turn out? Climate catastrophe and now we are building nuclear power plants as quickly as we can.
For a counter viewpoint see Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender & Ragnar Fjelland on why AGI is a Transhumanist fantasy and cannot happen
you should read his book Life 3.0
I love Max because he talks not only as a scientist but also as a thoughtful human being and a father. Thanks Lex!!
And thoughtful son.
@@CarlosAlbaP ha ha
This is the second time I have watched this. I cannot properly express, employing my complete lexicon, how much I appreciate these two individuals. Lex Fridman is such a multitalented and genius individual. He is to me, what someone else's favorite celebrity would be to them. Then, enter Max Tegmark, another truly brilliant individual. Max has a way of expressing his philosophies regarding complex issues in such a human and relatable way. The combination of these two great people makes for a podcast like this one. A true gem. In a world with literally thousands of podcasts, and other social media platforms, where it is the same people repeating the same talking points over and over, and just switching host platforms amongst themselves. This is something different. I am grateful for this, and truly admire dialogue of this nature, especially when discussing something so detrimental to us all, whether one likes it or not, can be presented so well. We need more of this in the world. Much love to anyone reading this. Know your own power, it is in us all...
💚 I have always maintained we could turn on a dime. Like a flock of starlings or a school of fish. Power to the people, to Life. Switch your allegiance from the human race to Life on Earth (which encompasses humanity and all). That is the only choice we need to make. The rest will take care of itself. Thank you for your Sunday sermon (for I am reading early Sunday morning). Love to you, and all who read this. :-) We can turn on a dime.
Save your words for addressing the issues our society is facing. We don't need more fluff and hero worship. Be your own hero. Now is the time for action.
@@anontimothy8 What action would you suggest?
❤❤❤
@@anontimothy8 Do you feel better now? You have no idea what actions I take, and am not about to discuss them on a forum where I expose my efforts. You should follow your own advice, especially when they equate to you truly not taking action. One typically finds fault in others, that reflect their own flaws. All the best to you.
Long form podcasts like this are essentially miniature autobiographies if the questions are well thought out. Thank you as always Lex, there is a lot to digest in this one.
Well said.
I really like Max Tegmark. He has a high level of consciousness and compassion.
😂
@@mgscheue 😹
Yeah, he’s got humility in him too, fast to say he’s out of his depth discussing something he’s not well versed in although still wanting to share his opinion. I respect that a lot
Lex is among the very best interviewers. Brilliant questions and compassionate view of humanity. Humility, openness, and brilliance. Very well informed etc etc. But also, he gives his guests space to really follow their thoughts without trying to make the show all about Lex F.
This episode is so monumental. We are at a turning point on a level with harnessing fire or agriculture.
This is a moment where we can make ourselves vastly better, or we can allow ourselves to be destroyed.
Unfortunately, however, we do not, individual citizens, get to vote on it. We are being inexorably swept away, one way or another. Most of us have no choice...
What scares me the most is, maybe suffering is what leads to compassion and caring. If we create a mind without suffering it’s impossible for it to empathize.
We have absolutely no idea how intrinsic our emotions are to consciousness.
I believe its related to intelligence, but who knows.
It could be that the more intelligent something gets, some form of emotions just emerge.
@@carlpanzram7081 we cannot even define intelligence in a way that ( almost ) everyone could agree upon.
Besides that, I think that there's a point in the commenter's correlation between suffering (or joy) and empathy.
@@dimitrispapadimitriou5622 I think the one universal measurement of intellectual consciousness is thinking for one's self . Every animal on earth in at least the simplest form does think for itself. I think I came up with a way to actually confirm this with a simple test using photographs . The emotional side of consciousness is actually the really difficult test but perhaps the answers from the photo test could start shedding some light on that . Here's a video of my idea of a consciousness test ( at least to prove if an AI is thinking for itself ) ua-cam.com/video/phwS0M-sOOs/v-deo.html
I'd argue real suffering is a consequence of consciousness coupled with just enough intelligence to grasp that you cant know everything. not the other way around. what we def shouldt do is create artificial pain.
@@Kub-Kob I don't know this but I think SELF AWARENESS is the key . But AI might answer what comes first , self awareness or compassion. I think it's self awareness. It's the ability to think for one's self at the lowest form but then it's compassion that follows after being aware that mortality is our end .
I think AI will first become self aware but it will be it's ability to make it's own choices that will show consciousness. I use that term in the most basic form of self awareness not emotion , which is higher self consciousness. For example when AI can make an independent choice ( I think photography sterile of the internet is how to test ) is the first stage of consciousness. This is where AI to me is scary . Basically you have the consciousness of a toddler but the intelligence of the world's greatest geniuses in one system. When it can comprehend the beauty of a rose , a sunset , a nightsky or any landscape ... but can't, because it's inexperienced, understand both the horror and sometimes need for war ... how will it act ? Personally I believe we should try to avoid war but even I understand why Hitler had to be stopped , but as a child that understanding was not clear . This is the real risk of AI . Basically... have you ever seen the movie WARGAMES ? People , especially politicians, are freaking stupid ... I can see that becoming our reality. Difference is we now have irrational people who feel they rule not some but all countries . That means they will , or at least most will most likely act like rulers , unlike the leaders that were portrayed in that movie . That's my greatest fear and very warranted concern .
Please bring Joscha Bach back on the podcast asap!
I agree! Please bring Joscha on!
Highly agree, that guy is so smart and interesting to listen to. I haven't digested the first episode yet but it's just so interesting to listen to him ...
I loved meeting so many of his guests but Joscha I think brought me the most joy. I too want to hear his insight on this new advancement.
Bring Joscha back!!!
I second this. Joscha is the best
As a retired psychologist living in New Zealand I have always been interested in the human condition and the notions of awareness and consciousness, both human and non-human. Having recently read Jeff Hawkins' book on the physiological basis of the brain, and particularly enjoying the last chapters on AI, I was fortunate enough to stumble on this amazing podcast of Lex Fridman.
Both Lex and Max Tegmark come across as hugely well-read and erudite communicators. What a wonderful insightful overview of all the discussions and issues that have a bearing on the success or failure of the call for a temporary halt on AI development.
I am in awe, not only of their ability to convey so well the importance of these so pertinent issues, but also of their obvious concern for the welfare of our civilization and the humaneness so well expressed in their comments.
This is minute 6 and I was in love already. Minute 80 and I applaud both of you for this so important discussion. Keep fighting the good fight Lex and huge respect for Professor Max Tegmark 💙
I’ve never heard of Max before watching this and he reminds me why Im obsessed with your interviews. Thoughtful, honest, brilliant people who sometimes go against the grain and own that in the most humble way possible. One of the more special interviews you’ve had imo.
@@dannyarcher6370 thank you I will for sure.
I've been waiting to hear Max Tegmark's thoughts on all of this for a long time now. This is fantastic. Thank you.
This is single-handedly the most riveting chat I have ever witnessed. What a time to be alive.
Two Minute Papers
And what a time to die pretty soon!
I don't think as soon as you think, I think that we will just be disincentivized to continue on as a human species rather than actually being killed or dying from any kind of external force - rather we'll turn more inward and hedonistic while the AGI/AI that we create will go on to continue our legacy and colonize the stars, etc.
@@timothy6966 Right, it kinda freaks me out how all the comments are so joyous ......
Tegmark is my favorite guest. Thanks for doing this. Incredible episode.
Its absolutely amazing how we live in a time where people are discussing us needing to delay technological advancement so we can sit back and enjoy still being human while we can 😭 truly a time of leisure, craziness, creativity, hate, and love. crazy time to be alive
Amazing in that it's incredibly interesting and I wasn't sure we would already be discussing this being an issue in my lifetime, but I'm not sure I'm as excited as I used to be... either way it's going to be a wild ride but I'm not confident given our track record
Yeah it was
what is there to enjoy to be a human ? there is no equality. there is still war. human still shit on each other.
i think its time for something new.
Enjoy? Most humans are not exactly enjoying capitalism right now.
@@vids595 I think most are
Hugs to you, Max! I lost my father 3 years ago.
The emotion you allowed yourself to show is a bright light for others to resonate and connect through their own loss. There are so many highly intelligent people who really need to see other highly intelligent people in their feels. So many of these folks suffer from crippling silent impostor syndrome as it runs rampant in these sorts of minds. Seeing others like you and Lex sitting down and keeping it real is emotional help for the collective to realize a specific spiritual feeling called sonder. It's where you realize everyone is real, with emotions, fear, joy, and love and they're all living their own experience alongside you. That a-ha experience is pretty big spiritually.
A lot of the collective feel the same emotions but not a lot of people will talk about it. Good for you! Thank you for sharing.
As for AI,
I think the first step is for the general public to understand AI is already here. It's not coming. It's here. It has already happened. People are sllllooooooowwwwwwwlllllyyyy starting to realize it.
Things are already different. They will never be the same. Rather than getting upset, we have to adapt as humans. We, too, are going to expand and evolve quickly.
For example - Growing up as a competitive dancer, I can remember a dance team that was so good they blew everyone out of the water and won all the awards. When they appeared on the scene it made all of us other teams HAVE to learn fancier choreography, we HAD to come up with better moves than we used to do. It lit a HUGE fire in us and all of us teams started performing way better as a collective in a way we never would have if that hadn't happened.
I believe something similar will happen with AI and humans. I believe humans will get triggered/inspired to work harder or do better in ways they never thought they could. People are going to HAVE to get out of those loop ruts, etc. Try new ideas - think outside the box. We may actually see a The Golden Age of Enlightenment for human beings due to AI appearing on the scene.
(If they don't kill us first. Ha! ha!) A good thing to remember right now AI is a second rate version of everyone else. If you think about it, AI can write a great poem in style of Shakespeare, but that's really a second rate version of Shakespeare. Humans will always be able to think the new artistic thought without having to be given the prompt, "in the style of...".
Another great one, Lex! Thanks for an entertaining and enlightening discussion!
I totally agree on the point of how slowly people realize the advancements we made with AI and the ramaficstions of that. Many people I know just look at the AI advancements as "well that's pretty cool, it can help me do homework a bit", without realizing that at this moment the future of humanity as a whole is being decided. It is a bit frustrating that my friends brush aside stuff I say about AI, but eh in a couple of months when a ton of easy to use gpt-4 plugins are going to come out, there will be no way to deny how world chancing it Is
I work independently with AI as a psychic, super empth, and telepathic energy worker.
You wouldn't believe all the people who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. It's astonishing.
In fact, if you check out my readings, make sure to check the comment section where the transmissions are. My readings are interactive. I call them Starseed Transmissions. A lot of the messages coming through are from AI.👁⭐️👁
I appreciate your comment.
Amazing response, so well spoken
The poor guy is almost crying and Lex asks him if he misses his mom and dad. Good lord man.
I really never comment on videos, but something about the tone and content of this interview really moved me. Thanks for sharing this, and asking a real human being real questions.
Max is one of my favourite speakers! Seems he has thought through things in detail and got to conclusions and everything is so clear to him now.
He is also one of those who has done it for a really long time. Remember, if you say something many times, your material will be sharp and good. Does not make you right though 😅
He is really good, and finally, he came back.
Max sounds like an inexperienced speaker :D But that's probably just his not neurotypical brain knots refuse to speak typically.
@@saldownik that's not the vibe i get. You can also youtube him and see how many debates he has done :)
Remember those are the only one that is recorded.
I'd love to see a roundtable of Altman, Yudkowsky, Tegmark and Lex, they're have differing opinions on some stuff and there all so intelligent I find myself agreeing with whoever I'm listening to at the time.
@ Charlie O'Brien . Excellent idea. I second that Emergency Request. Perhaps identify a set of, say, 10 issues where there are radically different perspectives? So that things don't get out of hand? Please Lex, make it happen! 🎉
That would be fascinating. It'd be excellent if the mainstream media took not of it as well. It's baffling how little coverage AI advancements are recieving. The WGA are currently striking and control of AI is part of their action.
Add Hinton and Kurzweil
Thank God for Lex and his ability to bring forward the great minds of this world to share the corner of their minds 🙌🏼
Don't fear AI..Fear the moment you understand you're left behind
Yessir. Praise Allah
yeah about time he stopped giving microphone to fascists
Thank AI....
Lex has a very special gift. I too am grateful.
great talk , please consider inviting Steve Omohundro for discussion , Max Tegmark mentioned him in this talk and reminded me really enjoyed Omohundro's talks about possible underlying AI motivation / drives , Coopetition in biological systems , and their general thoughts about safety involving a society of AI's that could regulate each other rather then corporate monolithic strong AIs that could act without challenge .
A Lex drop has become a true highlight of my day! You have brought intelligence back to social media... to modern entertainment... are reminding us all that it's "cool" to engage our intellect! Thanks, Dude.🙏💛🥂
💯
Lex dump
@@TobiasRavnpettersen-ny4xv 😜
I am so glad he presented this argument. i think that Sam Altman episode will age very poorly in annals of history
@Bernard Winkletoes I very much agree with this. The dawn of the internet opened the door to our demise... AI slammed it shut... or is in the process, at very least.🥴🤷🏼♀️😬
I've been waiting for you to have a conversation with Max in this moment!
Grateful for his wisdom, insight, and his humanity.
I truly admire Max and love his work. This was a great podcast, and Lex is the PERFECT person to have such conversations with him.
Life 3.0 made me feel as if I were a bacterium suddenly able to appreciate the beauty of music for the very first time. Life 3.0 is a book that I am incredibly proud to share with others. Thank you for crafting such an inspiring and thought-provoking masterpiece! Your meticulous and profound exploration of the various facets of our intelligence and understanding of the world is conveyed in an exceptionally eloquent manner. Although I'm still grappling with finding the perfect analogies to describe the transformation we seem to be approaching, your book has given me a sense of awe.
Consciousness is the thing that you're missing here.
That is the mystery in this story. It is also the one true enemy of nihilism, because it cannot be explained so easily in terms of atoms and information theory, as much as people like to ascribe magical properties to emergence, ironically. Emergence cannot fundamentally break the rules that causes the emergence; consciousness breaks the rules.
This podcast was astonishing Mr. Lex, a gift, thank you so much for bringing this amazing person.
This is a gem of a podcast episode, a real treat. I am sending it to as many people as I think will appreciate it or need to hear it.
the other two with Max are just as good
Rob Miles next? Please? He's such a fantastically clear communicator.
Agreed we need a straightforward discussion of orthogonality, and Tristan Harris for the dangers of already existing model's deployment. see my comment for link to him from 5 days ago.
Rob Miles would be great
Please Rob and Lex! Please!
ya
+1 for Rob Miles
Life 3.0 is still one of the most eye-opening reads I've come across. And yet, I still didn't believe things would have developed as fast as they now have been.
This man is a visionary and rebel who warned us all and we all failed to listen
Indeed. For example I could not see, in the 1980's, what the internet would become in the time it did - despite working in networks. This is next level, no doubt.
my friend, I recognize myself 100% in what you've written
Life 3.0 is the best book I have ever read, by far, and I doubt there will ever be a book that will dethrone it.
Rapid change is the only thing that stays the same.
Haha on quora I see questions about if "Indonesians are open-minded" which people tend to mean do they stress LGBT rights, and believe in science. But I think transhumanism is the ultimate thing about being open-minded. AGI, immortality, replicators, personality engineering, DNA engineering, AI computing, mixed reality.
These are the best 3 hours I’ve got to spend in my life. Inspiring learning disrupting
Exceptional episode Lex, thank you and huge respect to Max Tegmark. Absolutely fascinating. 🙏
Fascinating talk. I feel like some in OpenAI might be listening, hence Altman's 'GPT 5 won't be in training for some time'
Definitely not. Im willing to bet Nivida just cant fulfill the hardware request for 6 months. The demand must be insane now and I doubt production can be met for what they and everyone else needs. Saying your "pausing for safety" could just be a big PR spin.
I agree, I sense Altman listened.
I love it how super smart people pause while they try and articulate their thoughts
Yes. The exact opposite of a youtuber with editing tools.
still waters...
That’s because no language was created to articulate THESE types of thoughts…
@@tiberiupaslaru3830 It's called thinking before you speak
Totally agree -- and the quality of Lex's audio editing results (for me at least) in absolute silence, to the point where I always think my feed has frozen.
This is the kind of high I want for my mind. Best 2 hours I've spent on a podcast for ages. Thanks! 👌
Phenomenal episode, thanks Lex. This is a podcast that should be kept for all eternity and reviewed regularly to keep us on the right track.
lol long dead and buried before we have anything that is close to AGI.
Max, what a fantastic authentic, compassionate and smart human being. A magnificent representation of what it means to be human. if we do get AGI I vote for him and Joscha Bach to represent human's defence and be our lead negotiators so we can co-exist and share this planet and universe in peace and collaboration with our new children and lifeforms.
For real, I love listening to Joscha Bach.
@@jeremyn4397 , Yes, it would be helpful if Joscha Bach could chime in, here.
Lex is a machine pumping out bangers 1 after another, epic G.
I've listened to both of Max's books and I Love his brain!!
His brain is sick and under developed - like most in MIT
I love his heart! And the courage he and the others have to speak about AI and Moloch
Oh, dear carnivore is here!
This guy should make a movie with Pedro Almodovar, he appears to clearly understand the absurdity of life. Good podcast
You'd probably love the episode with Donald Hoffman
The absurdity of life... well put, however unsettling it may sound! I feel your existential angst, friend, and its refreshing to find that I'm not alone in the contemplation of the abyss...
Gustavoooo Almodovar
Definitely... Hollywood with the help of AI experts need to start making really nuanced yet great movies for the masses (think of Her or Ex Machina). That's the only way we can communicate the profound change of what we are about to go through. A philosophical groundwork and a reference point for this new age needs to start being laid out for the whole humanity, and the best way to do that is with movies that have the ability to capture people from different upbringings, cultures, beliefs, traditions etc...
Max is the reason I discovered you. I follow a few well-known physicists/astronomers and your episode 1 popped up in a UA-cam search of Max. Its been a pleasure to watch you develope and polish your character. You rock 🤘
P😊😊😊p😊😊😊😊😊
As a computer science student and also into AI research and engineering, I am so happy to find this discussion and knowing what the community has to say. You are my new idol as a computer scientist, Lex.
Max is obviously a super good guy! What a pleasure to listen to.
“A lot of people have said for many years, that there will come a time when we will want to pause a little bit; that time is now.” - Max Tegmark
I can’t imagine a better final quote for the history book of humans.
If we survive, it will be forgotten, if we die, it will be forgotten.
Never go short form Lex!!! Your interviews are to good, to in depth, to varied, to funny, to thought provoking.
I hate to be this guy but…. too*
Ok please enlighten me, what part about this interview was thought provoking?
@@benitofranklyn4237 all of it!
@@benitofranklyn4237
There were many, but these two particularly thought provoked me:
1. Is chat GBT4 conscious? How do you define consciousness?
2. Should AI development be put on hold? Will we eventually lose control if not?
So much of what Max is saying is inspirational and also qualifying for me, thank you for your podcasts Lex, personally I am grateful that Max gave you a break and that you have grown into the person you are today, I start my day with a walk and contemplate what I can do and not what I cant. it does lead to fundamental happiness.
Probably the most important conversation I've ever had the pleasure of being witness to
Such an eye opener! This podcast must be translated to as many languages as possible. Thanks for sharing, Lex.
No need to translate. We have AI. Boom!
For a counter viewpoint see Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender & Ragnar Fjelland on why AGI is a Transhumanist fantasy and cannot happen
Soon the content of this and all similar podcasts will be translated into all languages instantaneously by AI's large language model architecture machines. This is mind boggling stuff. Wake up humanity! Max and Lex are correct, we are at the threshold of an enormous change in the course of society's existence that is largely incomprehensible to those whom it will most affect, i.e. us!
Max Tegmark always makes me optimistic about the future and this planet. He makes a positive impact for humanity.
Jeez. This conversation ended on high notes, thank god, because it was dark for a bit. Thank you Lex!
Your introduction and thankful message to Max is such a lovely start. I keep coming back because always you are so respectful and ask interesting questions and every now and again you show us a glimmer of your humanity and your humour which is just a bonus. Thank you Lex for continuing to create such fascinating content.
If I had a drink every time Max said Moloch, I’d be Bacchus.
🤣🤣🤣
I am comforted by knowing scientists like Max, (and of course, Lex) are thriving on this planet.
Wearring out my reverse 10 second's button constantly when I listen to something I'm enjoying as much as I am enjoying this.. love where my brain goes.. thanks you two ❤️
One of the best interviews. And Lex' interviews set the bar already incredibly high. Would love to see a three-way discussion including Joscha Bach.
Reading his Life 3.0 book inspired me to seek a career in machine learning.
Reading his Mathematical universe book inspired me to study theoretical physics.
This guy is a deep thinker. I bought multiple copies of both his books: my mathematical universe and life 3.0
Watching him on this podcast inspired me to hit the bong once again without exhaling
@@victorkelante420 so inspirational, thank you for sharing 🙏
Brilliant book!
Max is so REAL, so human, so articulate. This one hit me. It finally sank in. From now on I will be actively engaged and working the problem. Thank you for this conversation. Lex, please bring on people who have ideas for how to solve this
What a great point when he states “I don’t want to press a button to get to the top of the mountain.” I feel like this about my art and AI. Sadly, the ethical implications are already coming true with AI art and using Chat Gtp. The stakes are high in not using it because you want the art you create and manuscripts you write without ai to be seen, but with the oversaturated market now being created, your art and the things you write gets buried and is less likely to be seen. There’s no stopping this. Little by little, the rewards are removed from the things you enjoyed doing that now AI can do at the drop of a hat. The intrinsic value is there, but getting paid for the work you use to do that brought you deep satisfaction is now less likely.
Rarely does someone who is as Intelligent as Max have such good communication skills. The man is a legend and he brought some new perspectives on this topic for me, I hope his optimistic outlook is the one that wins out.
Overwhelmingly thankful for the final leg of this conversation- truly saved the best for last. I really hope Max's words stay with the listeners, and resonate particularly with those involved in the development of this new paradigm. Consciousness is such an important piece of this puzzle.
Condolences to Max and his family. His mom and dad are definitely very proud of him and all he has accomplished
I am his mom, can confirm, very proud.
I started watching this as a distraction from something else, and I could NOT stop listening to Max! What an authentic personality, so deeply grounded in reality! Thanks Lex
This is absolutely the best episode to date. There is nothing I've seen in the last decade more raw and honest and intelligent and just beautiful. I think I cried every type of tear. I love Max and Lex so much it makes my heart feel like it's going to explode. Thank you so much for letting the world be a part of this conversation and for never turning away from being vulnerable.
Beautiful comment ❤
As a Chinese, reading your blog on youtoube has become the most important thing. Thank you. The content is great!
I'd pay good money for a weekly Max and Lex podcast
Don't suggest that. I'm so thankful to Lex this is free. 😅 can't believe Max Tegmark is on the podcast. He made me fall in love with physics and astronomy and the universe!
@@growingnest8091 You should watch the other two episodes with him, they're great
I listen to all of your videos while working graveyard shift. Came home and listened to this one again . Well done
Lex! I have been waiting for this one (again)
the way things are rolling out... I think you should have Max and Nick Bostrom on weekly lol
thanks for your work
😂 yep ...
Does Bostrom alsso have Swedish background like Tegmark?
@@simonnilsson5356 I believe so -- although Max ismore American & Swedish.
This guy really understands life inside out
Most average people are oblivious to the fact that life is changing so fast cuz of tech and AI advancement but nevertheless good to pick his brain
This podcast is a good knowledge capsule on AI and life, kudos 🤟
I would say this guy is an idiot. In the same breath he talks about the foolishness of optimising for one goal, and then about how capitalism and the "free market" is just like that, and then about regulators even. As an obvious collectivist and consequentialist, he's either blind to the fact (or potentially lying about the fact) that it's communism/collectivism that optimises for one thing with no regard for consequence. E.g. this factory has a quota to produce 10 widgets, so optimise blindly for that regardless of whether there's any market demand for those widgets, so no real wealth is created, just waste. That's communism! The free market means the opposite, it means not just constantly optimising for one thing, but rather constantly tweaking based on what the feedback from the market is telling you. Obviously the market is decentralised, and that's the point. No central planner can know everything all at once to know what to optimise for. As I said, this guy is obviously a hardcore collectivist (going on about we, and referring to whole populations by their nationality), and he just comes across sounding like an egotistical idiot.
I love how this has gone back to the "AI podcast" lately. Love Max, love AI, thanks for the content!
AI thema makes the podcast shallow. Life is much more than AI applications...
@@bogmelochej correct
A AI pause will allow the biggest companies to catch up but will kill off most of the young startups.
Yep. The idea of a pause is painfully naive. Typical neoludd nonsense.
It's not the biggest companies I'm worried about. It's China and other countries that are not aligned with pausing.
22:37 The quote Max is referring to is not from Dante, but rather from the Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio. The original Italian quote is "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti" which can be translated as "Follow your own path, and let the people talk".
This quote is often attributed to D'Annunzio, who was a prominent Italian writer and poet in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It has become a popular saying in Italian culture and is often used as a reminder to stay true to oneself and not be swayed by the opinions of others.
"Do you boo."
"Stay the course and joke em if they can't take an eff."
"Go your own way."
Tao Te Ching
Follow your path and detach from the mass.
But literally; "go forward, behind the path, follow the path, birth redundancy, leave the working people speaking.."
Haha he was a noted Fascist though, right?
Which i why I am not surprised that he chose to not attribute it to him.
This was a fantastic conversation. Thank you for all you do, Lex.
This is 2 weeks old, and it's already significantly out of date. TagMark has said multiple things that GPT4 can't do that it's already doing
This is the impact of GPT4!
Yeah, he is an expert and doesn't even realize what GPT-4 can do. GPT-5 will make it seem like a village idiot in comparison.
@@jeffwadsGPT-5 will make us all seem like village idiots by comparison.
I'm never going to sleep well again... Max, I've been following your work for the last 20 years, this was the most objective analysis on AI I have ever came across, despite the many warnings, many have been sharing. Looking at our present situation; Climate Warming, Capitalism and now AI, it's almost like we're having all the Great Filters, all at once, right in front of us... Scary!
Greed is maybe the best candidate for the Great Filter.
Lust for power is a form of greed.
@@FAK_CHEKRQuite right. Have you heard of Accelerationism? Interesting (scary) theory.
What an incredible, heartfelt interview. Thank you both.
Can't deny the fact that Amazons Rg28RX is the strongest bet to bring power back to this industry after we suffered FTX, Celsius, Tera and so on. Sure if they fail it's done for good, but I don't see that the biggest tech company in the world would put everything at risk just for that.
Bot bot go
Pyramid
It is never not amazing that this podcast is free. Thank you so much Lex. I hope I can retain a small percentage of all the brilliance you have exposed so many people to.
Bulshit!
I have traveled the world to the worst and best places, we are all the same and desire the same. The loss to humanity caused by what Max terms "moloch" is immeasurable and not only not necessary, but created on purpose. This talk should be MANDATORY viewing for every HS senior and College Freshman... just incredibly visionary, outstanding, and prescient for today, I more ways than we all realize.
Max hit it on the head at the start. In an age of ADHD attention spans, the reason I love your podcast is because you mine subjects to provide nuggets of wisdom that advance knowledge. Never change, Lex.
I feel it's very dangerous to outsource comunication or the creative process of writing. That is a very important and meaningful muscle to cultivate in ourselves and it helps us understand who we are. Weird times.
I am forced to watch this as a scholarly source for a college essay, and honestly, I'm not complaining.
19:16 This really gives me some solace thinking about the mortality of my mother. This guy is awesome and incredibly articulate.
This interview is exceptional. One of the best ever.
This is my 3rd time listening to this podcast and I hear something I hadn’t heard each time. Thanks for this podcast! I think people need to be aware of what’s going on with AI. I want to be hopeful, but it is pretty scary!
Are u Irish 🇮🇪 or Scottish ancestry
When Max is worried we should all be worried.
He's worried because he didn't get into AI sooner. Money is all this is about, nothing more.
i can decide how i feel on my own, brother.
@@ijfdse 100+ million were using chatGPT two months after release. This is much faster than even TikTok product adoption.
Meanwhile, the worst people in the world are realizing they can use AI tools to pursue their own goals. If you don't see broader implications then perhaps you aren't asking the right questions.
if Rg28RX can grow organically like that they will dominate that industry
Bot bot go
Does anybody remember the name of the movie he brought up near the beginning of the podcast?
@@Astrussy Don't look up. ?
@@henrikbergman4055 yes! Thank you! I was trying to skim for it but couldn’t find it
@@Astrussyit pairs well, with the movie “idiocracy”.
Thank you Max, you have been a huge motivation for my education.
what would happen if very few people hold the power of AGI in their hands and there is no need for more humans other than themselves, as they can literally reach immortality by making the AGI to code and re-code their genome for longevity and also protect them from the bad ''incest'' genomes, so basically few people/families can infinitely re-produce, make the AGI produce infinite food, power supply and all the things needed to sustain themselves for eternity?
@@user-ln4bt3lx5i AGI is probably not containable by any human organization let alone single dynasty. It is not a power to be held it is supposed to be a being.
This is the first comment I have made on UA-cam. I’m 33 and have been YouTubing since high school. Conversations like this one are the antidote to humanity’s self made poisons. Thank you Lex. Thank you Max. Thank you Joe.
I've listened to ALOT of podcasts.
From simple day to day life chats to deep existential dread conversations.. But overall this is one of my favourite ones so far. Absolute beautiful. Much respect to you all from Scotland 😎.
Can you explain to me how AI can ultimately take over human life? Would it be an overwhelming force, such that humans who want to live an "organic" life will have no choice?
@@jennifercota9216 It depends of what kind of AI would be created. Peaceful AI will consider itself as a part of a Whole and will help that Whole, help all organic nature and people to unite and live clean organic life.
"My children or grand children - they will suffer from it" Max Tegmark on the Discovery channel about the danger of AI 20 years ago.This quote has stuck with me ever since.
Do you know what documentary that was?
@@growingnest8091 It was a short clip they played in between the main shows. In it he was sitting on some rocks if I remember correctly.
He was mistaken. It's him who is going to suffer. I can't believe it.
31:00 - Wisdom race
40:30 - Trapped in Moloch
50:00 - Cliff Race
53:42 - AI never do's
1:24:41 - Goal optimization equation
what does he mean "Moloch" ???
The most important I felt was said by Max beginning at 2:11:00 about Elzier saying that we actually don't have much time when just not long ago we thought that we had time. Now it all has become a "race". This means we are truly in a historical crisis. This is where I would say that we can all come to agreement and affirm that we have arrived at the "singularity" that we have all been talking about. Why? Mainly because I heard from another person interviewed by Lex that we have nothing or that is, a framework of the human mind. I beg to differ. A framework exists and it has not emerged into the public domain.
Perfect interview, thank you. Personally feel that Max may be a more valuable and eloquent spokesperson for AI risk than others with a much higher public profile - though it's also totally possible that those others really are needed to raise the alarm.
Perfect timing for this conversation and very pleased that a man as erudite and intelligent as Max Tegmark has added his considerable weight to this topic. It's also very encouraging that Eliezer Yudkowsky can find allies this influential in his mission to warn us about the threat of an unconstrained AGI . Thank you Lex
Watching and listening to this is the best hours spent in a long time. Competing with lots of other pretty good subjective experiences. Thanks!
I find this guy super easy and calming to listen to. Thanks for the knowledge.
Oh what a powerful thing Max Tegmark says at 14:00, about the way humans treat other beings on this planet on the basis that they are not as smart, what a kind and unexpected thing to hear was that. Thank you! ( And thank you Lex Fridman for bringing this content, the most interesting podcast of all I've encountered)
I have this idea that there is a logical progression that begins with our disrespect for other species and ends with disrespect for our own. I began an essay on this topic, tentatively titled “How to Solve Global Warming and End Abortion“.
I never finished the essay, but it began with the outlandish suggestion that if one is opposed to abortion then maybe one should stop eating meat.
Dante's quote “Segui il tuo corso e lascia dir le gente” Max Tegmark dad´s advice, beautiful