Which Starter Pokémon Is the Most Powerful?
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2018
- The debate among Pokemon fans choosing between Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur has been a long one, but with their evolved forms, does science have a definitive answer? Kyle has the poke-battle on this week's Because Science!
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Hey trainers, thanks for watching! *For everyone complaining about the use of the Pokédex, go ahead and check the Gen 1 entries* and you’ll see why I did what I did. I'll see you in Footnotes if you have more questions! -- kH
Hey Kyle! If Metagross really is as smart as a supercomputer, how smart does that make him?
if your going to use the pokedex with charmander then you have to use it with Squirtle, and Bulbasaur you cant just pick to only use charmanders no matter how ridiculous the other
pokedex entries sound. sorry Kyle
You seem too have missed the pokedex entry about Blastoise literally punching through concrete and steel itself with nothing but its water cannons. If you use the pokedex for one, do it for the rest. Don't do only half the work here. I honestly don't understand how you missed this, but hey it happens. But, just curious, how many joules would be needed to punch through steel and concrete? I'm sure that this oversight will at the very least show that someone fudged the numbers, and the difference is a lot closer than is shown in this video. Is someone on your team just being lazy or something? I found this in only a minute with Google, either someone is slacking off, or just not doing their job right. Whatever the case is, this is not a minor mistake, I may not like Blastoise that much, but I still want to give the creature a fair run of things. I want a recount.
All that science ignores strategy Kyle! I would still pick Venusaur and just keep sleep powder and leech seed your Charizard to death in his sleep. Well, 70% of the time anyway :P
j/k I would probably just have an incinerated Venusaur lol
also fire belly salamanders are from japan and I think they are they most poisonous salamander at least for its size
The Pokedex also says that Blastoise can shoot water that can "pierce concrete walls", "punch through thick steel", and has "more force than a fire hose". It also says that Mega Blastoise's big water cannon is "as powerful as a tank gun".
So?
@@christophercarter3334 😂😂 the 4 year later "So?" Really did it for me lmfao
@@montikore
😂
The fact that Blastoise has rocket cannons on its shell that fire jets of water capable of PUNCHING HOLES THROUGH THICK STEEL, according to the pokedex from silver version, is absolutely terrifying. The water jet cutter we had at my engineering college was about 600 MPa, which is an insane amount of pressure. I think you may be underestimating Blastoise's power...
David Kellin I sense footnotes....
yet somehow a geodude will just faint from either pokemans' attack
I was thinking of something similar. Charizard might be able to melt boulders, or even steel, but the time it takes to do that is unknown. Taking Kyle's assumption that a Hydro Pump attack from Blastoise takes 5s, that is the equivalent, as he said, of being struck by a car at highway speeds. Charizard might be able to produce more energy in a single attack, but I think Blastoise can generate the most energy in a single impact.
Also, Kyle should have used Fire Blast for comparisons sake, and not Flamethrower.
ehh, he should have just left out the pokedex entirely, since that has alot of total BS in it.
@@StAugustine6 assuming Everytime a venossaur goes out of pokeball it starts it's energy at 0 and begin accumulating energy there, Kyle assumed 1 minute recharge time, if we assume a 20 minute fight Wich might be plausible, it than can discharge in a single second a hell lot of power
But if we assume he can either keep the energy while inside the pokeball or he can recharge while in the pokeball in one day of about 8hr sunlight, he would have 480×more energy
Now, if he doesn't use it for 75days he would have as much energy as Charizard, but he can keep growing stronger
Therefore, after a year of recharge, there wouldn't be trainer to tell history
Oooooo that burn when he said
“MCU Vs ...I forget the other one.”
👌😂
0:18
How disrespectful 😂
Random User not really
Yes!
*makes pokemon video*
"This video is sponsored by Fallout 76"
That was my very first thought...
I don't see why that's so bad lol
@@jasonmv9271 well i mean you could say because 76 is considered a buggy nightmare. But realistically your right. Getting advertising out there is really all that matters as long as you arent paying racists and other scummy people where people will notice.
@@imdeadserious6102 Or it could be weird because its a Pokemon video sponsored by Fallout, this can happen but usually the video ties in with the sponsor which this doesn't... at all.
@@ThePrimeSalagy at all? Really? Its not like theyre video games or anything. Your right.
Minor problem: "The rocket cannons on its shell fire jets of water capable of punching holes through thick steel."
However we also need to account for this: "It deliberately makes itself heavy so it can withstand the recoil of the water jets it fires."
Having had the original pokemon book I was also aware of this lore: "They can pump out enough water to fill 3 Olympic swimming pools within one minute"
Thus in lore Blastoise can fire out 7,500,000 liters of water in 1 minute.
125,000 liters per second though a 0.16 meter hole would be moving at 6.217 km per second.
Now let's multiply that by the mass of 7,500,000 kg of water
That puts us at 144,938,993,344,907 Joules of energy.
That would put the PSI at around 1,051,080,911,753.
For reference water pressure in a water jet used for cutting steel is 20k-55k PSI.
So here we have a problem, Blastoise is both shooting out far more water than it should have, and with enough force that it should likely fly off into space at its mass. Once again this shows that the pokedex entries were made up without really doing the math behind their boosts.
I wonder why game developers don't make their monsters that 10 year olds use to fight with perfectly compatible with real world physics.
If it can teleport water, surely it can also manipulate it's own mass or inertia to counter the water kick.
Yeah I wonder why they didn’t think about physics when making fiction characters on a fictional universe 😷
The pokedex was written by 10 years old... Their is a reason why I have a category for game facts that are cannon, but still so wrong they can't be called "Density of Onyx". Nice math though.
negative4558 or it’s called fiction man. Ffs we have fiction stories that manipulate concepts and negate existences, they’re fictional verses that work under their own rules. It’s ok to apply some since but at times when people just start saying the information provided is “wrong” even within the story it’s just obnoxious. PD: The Pokédex fills itself in, the trainers don’t fill them in themselves. I dunno where you got that from.
Kyle:MCU verse... forgot the other one.
Me: oh i see what u did there. Clever
Shots fired!
Sniping like Deadshot there!
Wut?
I don't understand.
@@jonathank4278 me too
Forget about starters
Alakazam has an IQ of 5000, if you get a full team of them they can probably create a stable antimatter cannon if you need raw jules to blow up stuff
If he has 5000 why does he forget moves and can only learn 4?
@@Dark-vc4cs the same reason why they haven't overthrown humans and became the dominant species, cause game logic
@@Dark-vc4cs this is for the same reason that Dialga and Palkia can destroy space and time, but can be defeated by some rat
I would love to see a dorkly bit on all these subjects within this comment section.
a full team of Alakazam?
no need.
with an IQ of 5000 that pokemon is absurdly intelligent.
let's do a bit more math.
average human IQ is 100 by definition.
lowest possible human IQ is 1. (anything between 1 and 24 is a profound mental disability)
the highest IQ in the world is 228 (verified on the Guinness World Record and way above the mark of 180 to be profoundly gifted)
this means that Alakazam is over 20 times more intelligent/smart than the most intelligent/smart human. (a woman by the way)
with such high IQ, even the most capable human would look less than retarded compared to alakazam. no need for a full team. a single Alakazam has more than enough to do whatever he wants.
"Mcu vs... the other one i can't remember" hahaha shots fired!!!
I mean, that's gotta hurt
I gotta represent my fellow venusaur lovers out there. While Solar Beam is often considered to be the quintessential move for a venusaur because of the anime, venusaurs also learn a powerful physical attack called Petal Blizzard. This moves stirs up petals to absurd speeds to deal damage to opponents. So to find out energy we need to know just how fast the petals are moving.
There is much less to go on with this move as we dont know exactly what it is capable of damaging, but we can get a rough estimate based on its Base Power of 90, which is equivalent to the move Thunderbolt. While the Thunderbolt attack is not literally as powerful as lightning (the power depends on the pokemon that uses it), but it does give us an interesting quality. Thunder Bolt can temporarily paralyze foes. One such real world case involved a man with a severe injury resulting from around 11,000 volts from a high-tension cable. This was enough to result in bulbar palsy, which in some cases includes paralysis (so there is that 10% probability).
So, we can assume that a Thunderbolt move carries a minimum of 11,000 V. To convert that to energy, we need to know the electrical charge (Q). The cables discussed in the case study mentioned earlier can carry up to 2,000 amps (a good estimate), and electrical charge is measured in amps x time. If we assume an attack time of around one-tenth of a second (we've seen pokemon who can discharge a Thunder Bolt for much longer), we get the base energy level of Thunderbolt as:
J = V x C = V x A x t = 11,000 x 2,000 x 0.1 = 2.2 million joules
But that's just the energy of the attack (and by comparison the energy of the Petal Blizzard). Now, the Petal Blizzard is spread out among multiple petals, so we have to know how many petals a venusaur is working with. The flower on venusaur's back has 5 petals and closely resembles the Rafflesia flower (this will be important later). So we divide the 2,200,000 Joules by 5 and get 440,000 Joules. That isn't anywhere close to the energy of Charizard's boulder-melting flamethrower, but that is just the energy of the petals. Venusaur has to get those petals up to that velocity and keep them there which takes a lot more work. So how fast are the petals moving?
Well, kinetic energy is calculated as the mass of a moving object times its velocity squared. The petals of the Rafflesia arnoldii (the largest of the genus) weigh-in at about 1 kg with a length of around one-third of a meter. A venusaur's petals are even longer at about one-third of a venusaur's height or 0.66 meters. With a petal twice the size, the mass is 4 times due to the square-cube law, making 4 kg. Plug that into our Energy equation and we get:
J = (1/2) x m x v^2 -> v = sqrt(2J / m) = sqrt(4.4 million / 4) = sqrt(1.1 million) = 1,050 meters per second.
That is around Mach 3, or 3-times the speed of sound. Accelerating something to that speed is very difficult, especially when it is something like a petal with a lot of surface area per unit of mass. Have you ever tried throwing a leaf only to find that it almost immediately comes to a halt? Air resistance would try to do the same thing to the petals in the Petal Blizzard but a venusaur is able to overcome that. Fluid dynamics (especially air resistance, or drag, calculations) become very complicated, so let's work through it step by step.
Drag = drag coefficient (Cd) x 0.5 x air density (ρ) x velocity squared (v^2) x surface area (A)
The drag coefficient is all but impossible to calculate except experimentally. Petals likely lie around the same range as a frisbee with a moderately high angle of attack so I'll use a Cd of 0.8. Air density at sea level is 1.225 kg/m^3. The surface area of one of a venusaur's triangular petals is...
(1/2) x base x height = (1/2) x 0.33 m x 0.66 m = 0.11 m^2
...times 2 since it has two faces. Plugging all these numbers in we get:
Drag = 0.8 x 0.5 x 1.225 x (1,050)^2 x 0.22 = 118,849 N
The amount of force acting on the petals at these speeds is absurdly high. They are somewhere in the ballpark of the stopping forces of a colliding car hitting a stationary barrier at at highway speeds. This type of force must all be EXCEEDED by the venusaur to accelerate the petals to these speeds and keep them there. There are some simple equations to convert force to work and then work to power.
Work = Force x Displacement x Cosine(theta)
The displacement in this case is the circular motion of the Petal Blizzard. Let's call it one revolution at around 1 body height away (some very conservative estimates judgng by some of the potential shown in the anime). This means that over the course of the move, the Work a venusaur exerts is (work in this case is along the displacement trajectory, so theta is 0 degrees):
Work = 118,849 N x 2 x pi x 2 meters x cos(0) = 1.5 million Joules.
Now Work is simply the change in Kinetic Energy according to smart boy Isaac Newton's Second Law of Motion.
So we know that during Petal Blizzard, a venusaur can change the energy of each of 5 petals by (actually more since it has to bring them up to those speeds, not just keep them there) 1.5 million Joules or....
(TL;DR) 7.5 million Joules all together for a venusaur's Petal Blizzard. Not quite as high as a charizard's flamethrower (using your assumptions), but much better than the meager Solar Beam (and definitely beats out Blastoise). Physical venusaurs for the win!
References
Case study for thunderbolt comparison: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4898119/
Aerodynamics of frisbees: scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=4817&context=ujmm
Okay, that was worth about an entire episode of this show.
David Coffron what about surf?
Sweet Jesus, you should put this research in a physics project! Remarkably well done!
don't forget it can learn earthquake.
Not in Gen 1.
Fallout supporting a pokemon video. Lel
Pretend they're mutated creatures from the nuclear fallout.
Now imagine that you can capture pokemon in Fallout 76.
@@cookiesnibbler7595 imagined and now desperately wanted...
"Death Claw use Slash!"
*VATS Sound effect
Critical hit!
*enemy becomes gore explosion
doo doo doo doo doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo doo~
Probably they think nothing of pokemon
Probably Just like
"I just want your science for my game!!!!"
Bruh Bethesda flopped so badly with Fallout 76 they just trying to spread the word any way they can
They are reminding us of better games
4:20 Anybody else hear "All of the water *shat* out"?
yep, i heard it the second time
that's what I heard...
I thought shat was the past tense of sh*t.
The past tense of shoot is shot, the past tense of shot is shat?
Jose Martini no it's just "shot"
@@cheesychipmunk8382 I mean grammatically... of course you are right.
But you gotta look at psychological impressions to know where his mispronunciation came from.
That's what I was referring to, Neanderthal.
I kinda expected more from Venasuar. A lot of the solarbeam animations cause the pokemon to "draw" in sunlight. It isn't getting just the constant sunlight hitting its small area. It's physically drawing in energy from all around it forcefully. I would assume that means the area would a lot bigger and the gather rate a lot faster. Either way that's my boi Charizard. He may be a fake dragon most the time but hes my fake dragon.
So you can't look at just one of the pokemon's pokedex entries without looking at all of them. Blastoise can allegedly punch holes through 'thick' steel. Quick research shows that punching a one inch hole, much smaller than the diameter we assumed for the pumps, through a sheet of steel just an inch thick is around 65 TONS of pressure. This number simply goes up as the thickness of the steel and the diameter of the hole increase, however I didn't do too much research on larger numbers. Using 65 tons as a nice baseline, if we convert to joules, we get 25,380,912, which is MUCH higher than you calculated.
I will do a bit more research and update this comment.
Edit:
I found a rough calculator for the pressure required to much a hole into steel. The calculator I found has a simple formula of Pi x Diameter of the hole x Steel Thickness x 25, all lengths being in inches. Plugging our numbers of about a 6 inch diameter, calculated from the 0.16m cannon diameter, and a guestimate of 2 inches for the thickness of the steel, we get 1319.47 tons of pressure. Converting this to joules gets us about 577,279,082 joules. This number is still quite a large amount lower than Charizard's energy output, but at least he puts up a fighting chance.
Edit2:
This also doesn't even factor in the length of time of the attack, as punching through steel like that takes a VERY short amount of time.
Edit3:
Also two cannons... 1,154,558,164 joules in that short amount of time.
Exactly...whereas Charizard's attack likely takes a while to melt a boulder.
The Pokedex version they used was from the original "generation 1" Pokedex. They stated it couple of times in the video.
I love Blastoise but, they are within their parameters they set.
@@gigantkranion its irrelevant which pokedex entry was used...when any Pokedex entry was only used for 1 of them and not the other 2.
He should have just guesstimated using real world comparison like he did with the first 2.
It was really illogical to forego that and rely on a Pokedex entry for only one of them
Vsauce already did calculation on blastoise cannon
@@brokenwave6125, the others don't have anything to use in their entries. They just describe the Pokemon.
I don't thinks thats very fair. Pokedex entries are known to be unreliable and or exaggerations...
For example Blastoise entries state:
"They can shoot bullets of water with enough accuracy to strike empty cans from a distance of over 160 feet."
"It has spouts extending from its shell at the top. They spray water like cannons, hard enough to pierce concrete walls."
"The rocket cannons on its shell fire jets of water capable of punching holes through thick steel."
It may result in similar answers but it doenst seem right to give Charazard a different metric for how you determine that energy. All Dex entires should be accounted for or none.
All Gen 1. I did. -- kH
You have to tho bc how else are you gunna measure the amount of heat hes creating
Because Science All Gen 1 Dex entires? That seems like a bit of cop out if that is what you mean. Because Gen 1 Charazard just happens to use some kind of somewhat measurable feat it gets that not necessarily accurate boost when the others are mostly based on size/etc? Idk, that still seems unfair. I'm sure you'll address it since the comment is brought up alot so far, thanks for the reply regardless.
Could have made an informed assumption from the flame colour burn rate etcetera to decide upon a chemical used then plug in the numbers for said chemical
I dunno man, it probably take Charizard a HOT minute to melt a Golem while being hit with rock slide....
But proto!!!!!
maybe should've used starter pokemon only move for this video. I don't think it was in gen 1 tho
Unless it does a mega X evolution so its not flying type anymore
Love your channel man 😁
But Protoo!!
SCIENCE
always go with the dragon,
even if its not a dragon.
True
My son is going to love this episode! Thanks for doing a Pokemon-based episode. But you left me with a couple of questions on this one:
(1) On Blastoise, you mentioned using the full volume of Blastoise as the maximum amount of water that could be pumped out. And then at the end, you "doubled" the energy because there were two cannons. Did you halve the amount of water as well? He couldn't pump out the full volume for both cannons.
(2) While I'm not disappointed that Charizard got the win, I was a little confused that you didn't consider any sort of time component when calculating his attack, even though it played a large part in the calculation for the other Pokemon's attacks. While the pokedex does say that he can melt a boulder, it doesn't say how long it would take. Taking into account general physics, it wouldn't be feasible to melt the boulder instantly, due to thermal gradients, so it would take some amount of time, and most likely a long time. I don't think it would be amiss to suggest that it would take something as high as a minute to fully melt a 1.7 meter boulder as a minimum. Using the same 5 seconds attack time as Blastoise, you could easily calculate the attack as being 1/12th of the 9 Billion Joules, which works out to 750 million (which is still dominating the contest).
it said fire hot enough to melt boulders. this means the fire comming out has to have at least the temperatue needed to melt boulders. It would seem odd to have a fire breath that needs to warm up over time. since well, fire is already hot.
Honestly say that I wholeheartedly agree with the math that you were putting forward even though I am 100% a Charizard fan all my life
@@sykens587 I think you misunderstood the comment above.......try to think it this way: if you put an egg into boiling water the egg will not be at 100 °C in an instant. it would take time for the heat to travel through the egg and heat it up everywhere to a certain temperature. Same goes for the rock. it doesn't matter if the flamethrower is at around 1500 K or 5000 K.....it would still take some time to fully heat it up and let it start melting. Although with 5000 K temperature it would be much quicker than with 1500 K
For charizard the time isn't used because he did a more raw minimum value. If it's Flames can reach a temperature to melt granite it would have to be at least this hot. If that hot it would have at least that much energy type situation.
Granted it would have been better if Kyle had converted everything into joules per minute for example to show off the energy differences
@@sykens587 Sorry, I wasn't very clear about that. I didn't mean that the temperature of the flame would heat over time, I meant that to apply to the temperature of the boulder. At a minimum, the temperature of the flame would have to be slightly higher than the melting point of the rock's material (in this case, granite). But it would take a really long time at that temperature to melt the whole boulder, because the thermal conductivity of stone is much less than that of air (more heat energy would transfer to the air around the boulder than the boulder itself). Even at double the temperature needed to melt granite, it would still take a bit of time, as not only does the heat energy transfer to the air around it, it has to conduct through the stone itself (either from one side to the other, or from the outside to the center, depending on if the flame is surrounding the boulder completely). This sort of progression of temperature change was actually covered in a couple of other Because Science episodes, namely the Freezing Solid episode (I can't think of the name of it) and the Star Trek Phaser Vaporization episode (also can't remember the specific name). In both of those episodes it was pointed out that the constraint on the amount of time involved causes the energy requirements to skyrocket. That's why I was surprised that Kyle left out that factor in this episode. Or at least didn't mention it. If he had said something about the assumption of complete melting of the boulder in 5 seconds, then I would have been fine with this. But he left out the time component completely, while at the same time making sure to address it in both of the other two Pokemon. Something tells me that Kyle's biased towards Charizard. I can't blame him.
My problem is that you use a Pokédex entry for charizard but not blastoise or venasaur. Further, how about the fact that blastoise literally creates water, I’m assuming by an internal conversion process from energy to mass. Or when we see that charizards flames are not hot enough to burn away all of blastoise water. Plus if charizard burned that hot then wouldn’t venusaur just literally be ignited by the ambient heat.
Kyle talks about how in later pokedex entries charzard can melt anything, so pokedex entries just works for charzards favor
Well, height is part of a pokedex entry, and its important for determining the relative power of blastoise and venusaur. Not so with charizard
I'd love to see that, just Venusaur bursting into flames by just being around Charzard 😂
Technically all plant life and much more would but it's clear in the games and animes that that doesn't happen.
@@millerrepin4452 That text is a hyperbole. It is a statement like saying some day is the coldest day ever. It might be true, but since their is no calculation to back it up, you cannot say for sure if it really is true. Charizard can melt basically anything is a statement without anything else behind it.
I love this channel. So easy to binge watch.
ikr
Tht wat I'm doing rn
This is just a helpful hint. In one of the original episodes a jigglypuff got stuck in one of blastoice cannons. That could help you get a more exact size for the diameter. I know it won’t change the outcome but wanted to help.
6:40 OBJECTION! Everyone knows that the pokédex entries are ridiculous
Yea everyone seems to forget that it is children who catalog and create the pokadex entries
@@Kcbookguru Also Blastoise's entry from Silver, BPPt, SS, BW, B2W2, say that the jets van break through *THICK STEEL*
@@Kcbookguru You don't trust the 10-year-olds who look at Pokemon and somehow instantly know the upper limits of the Pokemon's power? lmao
@@FishVet Why are we using 10-year-olds to battle test our killer fighting monsters anyways? If Charizard can melt boulders, it can certainly melt pre-teens...
Pokemon is the most circuitous form of population control ever devised.
@@sechran that's great. Lol
big fan kyle, but if we are using charizards pokedex entry in the calculations then we will have to use blastoise's pokedex entry as well and it states "The jets of water it spouts from the rocket cannons on its shell can punch through thick steel." in order to calculate the amount of water needed to punch a hole in steel you can use the equation "Tons of pressure required + hole size x material thickness x constant 80" so if we are assuming that the steel is stainless steel and the "thick" steel is around 5 inches (127mm) thick then we plug it in then after the math we end up with around 3750 tons of pressure needed to punch a 6.5 inch (165mm) hole in that 5 inch stainless steel plate and if we convert that to joules then we get 15,690,000,000,000 joules of energy needed
bear in mind though im no math wiz and i simply took the numbers here (www.americanmachinetools.com/tonnage_punch_hole.htm) and did basic math to bring them up to our sizes, then after I had the tons i went here (www.convertunits.com/from/ton/to/joule) and converted the tons to joules (but hopefully the math isnt too far off)
Not only this, but in one of the early Pokedex entries it discusses how the jets are used for executing fast tackles. So, hypothetically, a full grown Blastoise would use the jets mentioned above to launch itself (weighing approximately 85.5kg) at an opponent. I'm curious the force this impact would cause.
That number is absurd. You're into nuclear megaton energy there. You're clearly wrong.
Blastoise would kill everything in miles if it was able to do that.
@@ShadowLynx777 your probably right, I will admit this is all way above my head all I did was I found on a steel cutting website that it takes 300 tons of pressure for a water cutter to cut a 4 inch diameter hole in 1 inch of standard steel (with a side note to multiply that number by 1.5 for stainless steel) all I did was increase those numbers so that it was a hole the size of the canon in 5 inches of stainless steel then took that and ran it through a converter into joules, that's how i got my numbers, for all I know I'm way off though
GarreTerraG I think you might be overestimating 'thick steel'. One inch steel would be considered thick by most machinists/metalworkers. That being said, you are far braver than I for attempting that kind of math. Science on, friend. Science on.
@@GarreTerraG
As @Adrian Boag said, I admire your eagerness to science, but yes you're way off. Blastoise isn't a small nuclear warhead lol.
Alakazam canonically has an IQ of 5000. No other pokemon would stand a chance. Change my mind.
Dont forget how Metagross has an intelligence that rivals a supercomputer.
Um ya know there has to be something 4999 IQ for alakazam to have 5000 IQ if that one number difference is small or large and we know what pokemon has 4999 are friend alakazam may be in a bit of trouble remember alakazams body is pretty weak not mega alakazam level of weak but still or ya know that one more IQ makes alakazam way more smarter than 4999 to point 4999 can't hit alakazam.
But if you want a more silly answer mega alakazam pokedex calls it smarter than normal alakazam making mega alakazam have a IQ of at least 5001.
@@charsage1036 whaaaat?
Tyranitar is suposed to unable to take damage so...
Mewtwo eats alakazam as a snack:)
If ur using Pokédex entry’s for charizard then use blastoise, coz one of blastoise Pokédex entrie says that it can cut through steel!
Yeah, cutting through steel with water really isn't hard.
@@MacMalcyMac blastoise is shooting water from a nozzle much much wider than water jet nozzles that (is supposed to) cut through thick steel unlike water jets so it would be very very difficult to cut through steel
But thats not in Gen 1. He went only off of information presented in Gen 1. Steel beM cutting was introduced in Gen 2.
Depends how thick. 1mm is still "thick" lolollipop
I think when gamefreak said thick they meant 1 to 2 inches thick but blank blanks comment about pokedex entry is true so Kyle was right
Normally the Pokédex in Pokémon takes a lot of things out of proportion like magcargo being hotter than the surface of the sun. That would kill everyone around it. A lot of it is mythology around the Pokémon and not actual fact.
If you do want to go from the Pokédex entries then there is one that says Blastoises water jets can easily cut through steel. With the size of his pumps that you’ve estimated cutting through steel would probably be a lot more energy than the amount a car has on the free way. Charizard may still put out more energy though
They used the original versions from Pokemon red/blue.
Even though Blastoise was my fav Pokemon as a kid. The video is technically correct by the rules it placed on itself.
I'm not going to argue any of this, car you are much right. However, going off pokedex is kinda the best way given. Cannon and all that.
Magcargo wouldn't kill everything around with that temperature. If you want to know why, just search lockstin and gnoggin magcargo.
Because of the way that heat radiates, surface area matters. Magcargo isn't very big. 11,000 degrees would not kill everybody if something that small was that hot. We have gotten things hotter than that in laboratories without killing everybody or melting the machines because they were small enough.
What do you think is the secret behind my hero academias' All Might's power One for all? How powerful was his United States of smash? And even better what would have been if he was at full power without his injury. As he mentioned that he could have beat nomu in 5 hits instead of 300 in his prime.
with Saitama existing, most anime heroes if not all are a downscale ...ofc in terms of raw strength
In the manga they briefly explained it, I don't remember correctly so I won't lie but it has nothing to do with a special energy in the cells and that's why deku glows and his punches have crackling lightnings around him.
@@YGAkira All Might is the 8th user of One for All
@@TheLurkerAtTheThreshold Exactly, an episode about someone punching on a smaller and weaker scale relatively to something they have already done in another episode would not be fun. But explaining how the One For All quirk works with science would still be interesting.
I love how he ends his videos with a giant triangle that says bs.
A lot of people keep pointing to later gen games.
This is purely gen 1. A lot of stats, moves, and descriptions you all keep throwing out come from later gen games.
I'm curious whether Charizard is actually the best starter Pokémon if you consider Pikachu as well. Charizard still has him beat in the joules department (a single bolt of lightning contains roughly 5,000,000,000 joules to Charizard's 9,000,000,000) but I don't see any indication of time in your estimation of Charizard's ability to melt granite. Would an instantaneous bolt of 5 billion joules outmatch a sustained potential flame with 9 billion joules behind it?
Some versions of lightning's output I've found online ranges from 1 to 10 BILLION Joules. I know I got my Pokemon Yellow Pikachu's Thunder souped up & really accurate, so it really did the damage...
Tom Morgan don’t forget the heat roughly 4 x the surface of the sun and the high likelihood of it stopping your heart immediately
Everyone looks at power levels these days.
If i see those numbers. I chooce pikachu. Because of its small size it could easily dodge attacks. And pack a serious punch.
Charizard is a giant flying target practice. Can't dodge as quick and has only double the power.
Thats not a lot of positivity going for our fire lizard.
LIGHTNING MOUSE FOREVER
Charizard: can create fire at will, basically using a fuel to create energy.
Blastoise: can create water at volumes higher than its own body. It can also change the water to ice through ice beam, or boiling water through scald.
Venusaur: can create a beam of pure sunlight to destroy its foes.
I vote Blastoise because it create matter and has such a acute control over heat and energy to change the states of the water that it creates instantly.
Similar to the ice man episode (throwback) I feel like Blastoise could make ice bombs by releasing so much energy in order to turn water into ice instantly. Just my two cents
@benjy6790 so assuming we are using feats of the show and the game charizard melted the rock in his battle with gary instantly
I mean venasaur is my man. He literaly destroys you with a giant laser beam of PURE Energy directly from the sun.
Blastoise IS restricted to the amount of water in the air around him. You can't just make water out of nothing.
I assune blastoise uses water vapor from the air and ground in its direct surroundings.
Or at least uses molecules and rearanges then to water. Wich means there must be enough hydrogen and oxygen molecules to even do so.
Charizard can burn up any flamable gas, liqued or solid matter to create fire. Like hydrogen. Wich we got enough of in the air.
Charizard is a flametrower powered by nuclear fusion.
Venasaur is a sun powered death star laser canon.
And blastoise is a Giant weaponised Turtle that needs to convert matter into water before it can even attack with said water.
I don't even need actual science to proof that blastoise is the least powerfull one in this choice. Just by knowledge that the amount of water it shoots of is WAY to much to even be created in a matter of seconds. (pun intended)
Blastoise clearly shoots out more water than it is possible to store in his whole body, this is especially evident in his devolved forms, this needs explaining ASAP
It is a hard comparison to make in the show because ash only has a charizard, he never fully evolves bulbasaur or squirtle, and his charizard is clearly OP. In the game though we have to look at PP and see how many shots each Pokémon has or how much energy they have to sustain these feats, which I don’t have time to research because I’m at work
@@cherrydragon3120 "Blastoise is capable of bending the very fabric of reality to instantaneously generate inconceivable volumes of water and fire them at a pressure adequate to punch holes in steel, through a six inch nozzle. Ergo, he is weaker than a giant laser pointer and a lizard barbecue!"
I mean, he'd only be logically capable of entirely stopping both opponent's attacks before simultaneously killing each in a single blast which they could do little to nothing about... But yes... the weakest.
(Adequate volume of near-freezing water quells the flamethrower while the dispersion of water in the air causes complete diffusion of the light based energy carriage of the solar beam. Dispersion which it itself creates. Alternatively, the rapid creation of ice causes reflection and refraction of the laser attack. Neither opposing pokemon is harder than steel and as such, when those nullifying pressure-cannons inevitably overcome and breach the attack, they will punch clean through the opposing pokemon like tissue paper before a flowing tap.)
Maybe it is not creating water, but teleporting it? I mean, imagine the effect it would have on the mass of the planet after all these centuries with animals synthesizing matter...
8:26 I love it when he does that 😂
I know youre focusing on only flagship attacks but did you think to calculate the energy it takes to grow vegetation like a vine or a leaf rapidly? How much energy is consumed overall in the process of photosynthesis? bulbasaur-- has the ability vine whip, not to mention in the show you can see it rapidly growing and extending vines to use as ladders, whips, literally grabbing people and pokemon and lifting them stories into the air with its freshly rapid-photosynthesized vines.
The raw energy values are nice, but how efficient would these attacks be (i.e. how quickly could they perform the amount of work you stated)? Venusaur, by even waiting for 5 minutes could produce almost 1.3 million J with solar beam. Assuming it travels the speed of light, and using E=pc, it's momentum would not even reach half a kgm/s, but you could charge for even longer and reach significant momentum, and over such a small period of time, would result in large forces. With Blastoise, you say that it's energy would translate into a car on the highway, and that would have a lot of momentum behind it assuming all the water is released in a shortish period of time. Think about Newton's Third Law. Blastoise would have the average force of a car on the highway pushed back onto him, and given the cannons are so high on his body, it might topple him over if he's not braced for it, resulting in water lost being shot into the air. And where does the water come from anyway? And with Charizard, yea he could melt a boulder but how long would that take? Granite is pretty dense, and 9 million J doesn't come easy. That's a high calorie diet for Charizard if he wants to melt a boulder. In the end, Venusaur is probably the most efficient in terms of energy, using the Sun as a relatively constant resource, but Blastoise could produce the most force. Charizard is still destructive, but melting something away like a boulder requires a lot of calories, and Blastoise has the same resource problem with replenishing it's water supply.
what about his vines, he basicly creates them instantly, and sometimes 10 at a time if we have to believe the anime, is there a limit on those vines, can venusaur sproud so much he bsicly becoems a forest
Good thing he's a fire breathing dragon that'd be able to easily hunt most anything out there and not a slow land animal like the other two
I don't know why you assume Venusaur can't store any energy to use on command. Couldn't it collect sunlight for minutes or hours and then do a solar blast later on?
Not sure why you assumed it would collect all the energy in only 60 seconds...
Also not sure why you guesstimated the first 2, but used the Pokedex entry for Charizard.
You should have either used the Pokedex entries for all 3...or guesstimated all 3.
For example...this Pokedex entry actually implies Venusaurs body acts as a giant battery and stores the energy:
"By spreading the broad petals of its flower and catching the sun's rays, it fills its body with power."
And this one implies far more powerful jets for Blastoise:
"The jets of water it spouts from the rocket cannons on its shell can punch through thick steel."
Really rather than basing Charizard's ability on melting granite you should have compared him to known facts about flamethrowers or torches. Which don't melt granite...
Also "boulders" isn't very specific, considering the varying melting points of different minerals. Granite is on the high end of that scale. Therefore, they chose something with a very high melting point vs other options. And had they looked at all dex entries ever done and taken the best ones, yes Charizard would have the "melt anything" entry on its side, but Blastoise would have the entry from the anime stating that "attacks from the hydro cannons on its back are virtually unstoppable". I'm still on Team Venusaur, but ya know :P
Because science. He also didn't say what fuel was making Charizards fire melt anything. He calculated the amount of energy the sun puts out for venosaurs size can't argue with the sun.. he assumed the full size of Blastoise and diameter of the cannons (blasticide if it used it's full body mass lol) and Charizard he didn't even try to explain the lack of simple limitations. Is it gasoline? Is he spitting lava? Or napalm?
@@timmykenny717 Yeah...this whole video was just garbage because of that. Picking one of their names out of a hat would've been more scientific and logical than this..m
@@brokenwave6125 lol what? I really think you misunderstood my comment.. Charizard has the most wiggle room for being the winner of this debate of raw power..
Assume Blastoise shot all his mass worth of water in a second (again blasticide) he might cut steel but the diameter of the cannons limit his psi and therefore ability to break smaller rocks. I'd rather be a Geodude than a Golem against Blastoise irl for obvious reasons. I might not break if I'm already broken down. But against the fire spitting dragon thats fire could be derived from anything therefore possible as strong or stringer than something like napalm idk I think it's just over either way. The dragon has more power in theory
And the sun doesn't change it's energy output enough per second in any direction for it to cause a relative enough spike in possible energy absorbed by venosaurs on Earth. Venosaurs can only absorb what's given to him which is less that a flamethrower per second clearly. It's not like the sun is flamethrowing us at any given time it's just less energy that Charizard...
I know Pokemon is turn based but if it's possible dps in rl Charizard wins
@@timmykenny717 He only has the most wiggle room when you magically give him the wiggle room...
And as far as Venusaur...there is no reason to assume it can only use the energy it gathers in the 60 seconds prior to the attack.
That was absolutely stupid on his part.
Like all solar powered objects...including plants...the whole point is to store the energy for use at a later date.
Not to simply channel the suns energy on the spot and that's it.
Clearly Venusaur stores energy and unleashes it at will.
Charizard would he extremely limited by how much fuel it can store and how hot its flame can get. His assumption of it melting a giant boulder with red-orange flame in mere moments is embarrassingly stupid. Especially when he grounded the other 2 in reality. But for Charizard he just decided physics and reality aren't things.
"MCU vs..... I forget the name of the other one."
OOOOHHHH BUUUURN! XD
The main issue with the "science" is not based on whether or not solar beam or flame thrower were calculated accurately but the method of calculation was different for charizard in the cases of Blastoise and Venasaur they used assumptions based on mechanics and visual effects along with the official measurements for the Height and Weight of each Pokemon for charizard they just read the dex entry (Which are wildly different from game to game and even contradict themselves so the inconsistency in the source leads to invalid to inconclusive results) and just tacked on numbers and assumptions that put Charizard at his peak rather than his weakest
They failed one of the most basic elements of the scientific method
The main issue with this ep is that they were inconsistent with the sources
Venasaur had in game mechanics
blastoise had guestimation
Charizard had in game lore
Here's why all 3 of these don't work
Mechanics don't mean anything you can dig on water and surf in the air
Lore is inconsistent and occasionally contradictory to itself
Guestimation while having numbers to go off is still theory craft with no support other than "it looks like it's accurate"
Exactly what I thought. Seems to me Kyle is a Charizard simp
How about Blastoise being able to break steel with those cannons?
Than his cannon would be smaller but it larger it just like being push back bye worker fire hose. But it water out put won't last lost. Like real water cutter
See you in Footnotes -- kH
Smaller canons as kyle said require the water to go faster as the amount decreases like a high pressure water gun.
Small area increases the pressure and smashes the water out at higher velocity. As long the barrels don't erupt from the high pressure.
Small canons would make it able to go trough steel.
But those big ones blastoise has? Hell no. The pressure is too low for such large openings.
Compare the big canons with tiny canons. As the big ones would be one hose.
As the smaller canon would be compared to a high pressure watergun.
Big pressure difference and even bigger difference in velocity. I can know. I felt both... 1 hurts a hell of a lot more then the other
@@cherrydragon3120 according to the canon, Blastoise can penetrate steel with those cannons
I would also choose the dragon over a turtle and salad frog in the illegal animal fighting tournament
Venusaur is inspired from a dinosaur. But would still pick the dragon
@@Carl-gx7lt But it's clearly a frog xD
Weaponised turtle~
Salad dinosaur~
Orange dragon~
@@lepeixe22 a frogosaurus rex
Strangely enough, it’s both legal and highly prestigious in Pokémon canon.
I love this video so much, I restarted it just to see the ad again for you.
Turns out the next ad wasn't fallout lol. Gotchoo tho.
The thing is, due to conservation of energy, the Pokemon have to get this energy from somewhere, it’s probably fair to assume Charmander and squirtle have to consume a lot of food in order to transform it into fire and pressurised water, however bulbasaur gets some amount of his energy through photosynthesis, something that we wouldn’t have to supply, therefore surely bulbasaur is the most energy net positive and therefore the best for real world applications
I have two questions. Isn’t blastoise canonically able to punch holes in steel with his cannons and wouldn’t Venusaur’s other grass type moves be more powerful (in terms of raw energy used rather than destructive power) if they have to create vines, trees, etc.
There is one small thing I'd like to point out, and that is the fact that you made the assumption that Venusaur is merely redirecting the energy it receives during it's charge-up time. (I know you had to make some kind of assumption, and this is a reasonable one). However arguments could easily be made that Venusaur (like most plants) stores it's solar energy in the form of carbohydrates (like sugars) that it forms from the sunlight it receives.
If instead during that 60-second charge-up time it was converting those sugars (again at 100% efficiency) into the energy for hyper-beam, there's no reason you can't assuming almost any arbitrary amount of time for the amount of sunlight Venusaur could redirect. If Venusaur was storing a days worth of sunlight in the form of sugar, and taking a minute to convert that back into sunlight, it would have over 300 million jules (370, 080,000 although anything past 370 million aren't really significant digits). Again, still below Charizaard, but a much more impressive number.
If (like blastoise) we assume that we can't use up more mass than is in venusaur, convert it ALL to sugar (regular sucrose will do for your calculations) and convert those calories to jules (again with 100% efficiency) then knowing that 1 gram of sugar contains 4 kilocalories, which converts to roughly 16720 jules, and the canonical weight of venusaur being 100kg, we have all the numbers to be able to say that the maximum solar beam venusaur could possibly shoot out would be approximately 1,672,000,000 (or 1.6 billion) jules. Starting to get close to the level that Charizaard can do, but not quite there. Dangit Venusaur, I tried my best!
I only got 1 correction to that comment.
Its Solar beam. Not hyper beam that uses the power of the sun to charge~
@@cherrydragon3120 true, sorry, lol. Although you can understand my confusion, lol.
I assuming he choose a one shot with solar beam because of in game use says gathering energy plus it can be used more than once per battle.
@@maloc1824 however, remember he did the same calculation with Blastoise. assuming one firing shot all the water in Blastoise, so I think the same argument should remain valid.
you can't use any arbitrary amount of time because keep in mind that the move is being used in a battle and is allowed to be charged in only one turn so a relative short period of time has to be used. Now what Kyle could have done is maybe used a scene from the anime where solar beam was used
@Because Science I love pokemon as much as everyone else but the is a whole new level of Nerd. I LOVE IT!!! Keep doing this.
Kyle, the most powerful move the starters can be taught are Frenzy Plant, Hydro Cannon and Blast Burn respectively. Thank you.
That's not generation 1 bud.
0:18--DC: Mah hart, mah sole.
but DC doesn't matter...
On a side note, I love your handle. Vaas was one of the best villains EVER, even if they did wrong by him. IMO
Mah bootyhole!
I burst out laughing when he "forgot" the other one.
@@liberatorkramit cute for people who like to be wrong XD
@@Hylian_Lord DCEU movies don't matter. Happy?
Of course you have to assume that conservation of energy and mass don't really apply for Blastoise
And why not?
There is Not enough water in the surrounding air and ground to fuel blastoises required water to use hydropump.
It needs way more. Wich must be gotten by converting molecules into water molucules. Wich takes time. Wich a giant target as blastoise doesn't really have during battle
Interesting take on the strongest Pokemon.
I figured my favorite Pokemon would be the weakest, but I do agree with the outcome of it. For those saying "Venesaur can store the energy before he starts the solar beam attack" has to remember that the damage output is the same when used consecutively. Giving him that much time like in the video is a lot of time to charge up and launch it's attack. This should also be noted that the move "sunny day" ,I thinks it's called that, allows him to charge faster and attack in the same turn, but DOES NOT INCREASE THE DAMAGE. He is already capped on how much he can store and the video gave Venesaur a lot more power.
For those complaining about blastoise, it's hard to determine the actual force it can output but people are forgetting that the steel piercing feat can be done by concentrating the water in a narrow stream. That will not increase the actual amount of joules it outputs at all. You'll need to prove Blastoise can blast a massive hole into the steel in a steady stream without moving the cannons to make an impressive feat of power. However, we have no way to measure how long it takes to pierce the steel, and how thick the steel is.
For those who are complaining about chizzard, you need to remember how the joules work for heat. It's different for water because the joules for heat depends on making it reach a certain temperature. The pokedex entry was the only way he can use a point of reference. Regardless of how long it takes or how quick it takes, chizzard was able to heat that boulder so he has the joules. Time has no factor for chizzard's case.
You're my favourite pokemon from legend of Zelda where you defeat Thanos with ak-47 from Mario Bros and you defeated Bowser with the master sword from call of duty.
You should have been facing away from the camera when the battles started. But still, great episode!
(Also obligatory, using Pokedex entry only once was cheating bruh.)
They used the red/blue pokedex entries for all of them.
No specifics were mentioned in the original Pokemon for Blastoise or Venusuar.
@@gigantkranion it's kinda unfair to pick charizard's entry that makes it seem stronger, but not blastoise's
@@koltonkrieg9720 If there was something in Blastoise's Red/Blue entry then he probably would have mentioned it, but there is nothing to indicate how strong it is.
Well, Stadium's Dex entry states Blastoise's cannons can shoot water "hard enough to pierce concrete walls". I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that is significantly more energy than what was calculated here.
@@shinobiroger4423 True, but likely still much less than melting a boulder
What if venasuar used more than just its flower, and what if it concentrated that energy into a very small spot, like that laser in the last episode? Wouldn’t it then have more energy? (Because it’s focused on a very small spot)
Also for the fire attack what is the time it takes to melt the boulder? If it took say 10 minutes then the power output in the short time of the battle would be much less.
This one is a stretch (I wanted to talk about all of them), there is water vapor in the air, so blastoise could have an even greater volume of water to work with.
I hope this is nerdy enough for foot notes!
Oh man its so much better to watch these videos now after taking chemistry and physics in high school I understand so much better than two years ago when I started watching these
"charizard's flame can melt anything"
well, the statement doesn't specified duration, if somehow you can outputting energy as long as you want, you could melt (or deform) anything.
Fun fact about Blastoise: the Soul Silver pokédex entry states that its water cannons can punch holes through thick steel plates. This is an actual thing in real life. Water jet cutters are used as industrial cutting tools all the time, with two main variants. For steel, granite, and other harder materials, abrasive jets are used which make use of a water and abrasive mixture, as the name suggests. Pure water cutters, like what blastoise's cannons could be, typically are used for rubbers, plastics, and woods. Both types of jets can range from 30,000 to 90,000 psi. Taking into account the nozzles are usually only millimeters in diameter and are used at a distance of about 3-4 millimeters, we can assume Blastoise's firehose-sized water cannons are orders of magnitude more powerful than industrial water jet cutters.
In conclusion, a hydropump from Blastoise, such as what you sustained, would render you super dead. No need to melt the boulder when you can pulverize it into submission. And if Charizard really can melt boulders, why are rock type pokemon still resistant to him?
Have u ever seen water jets they are small as hell
@@sujataghose8238 I said water jet cutter nozzles are millimeters is diameters while Blastoise's are the size of firehoses, making it so much more powerful
@@ElectromagNick, Actually, increasing the area through which the water stream flows would make it weaker rather than stronger. That's the whole reason why water jet cutters are only few millimeters thick.
@@ignathiel Not if the outcome is fixed. You aren't taking a water jet cutter and widening the nozzle, you're taking a Nozzle with six inches diameter and increase the pressure of the water until it behaves like a water jet cutter.
@@TheMrFlosch I guess I should have articulated that a bit more clearly
Isn't it in the the original Pokémon codex blastiose can fill an Olympic size swimming pool in only a few seconds - edit I couldn't find the reference but I did however find that the cannons have a range of accuracy upto 160 yards and are capable of going through concrete. So is that above or below your calculations?
Kyle you need to make more of these scientific pokemon videos. 👍🏼❤️
Here's two pokedex entries you should have used to help out
Blastoise: The jets of water it spouts from the rocket cannons on its shell can punch through thick steel.
Charizard: Its fiery breath reaches incredible temperatures. It can quickly melt glaciers weighing 10,000 tons.
These are their strongest feats so far according to the pokedex.
still that would make charizard on top, 10000 tons of ice is a lot of ice
I love that now Kyle as answered this same question using both in game powers and real world power
I wouldn't choose the most powerful. I would choose the most easy to maintain. I mean how do pokemon trainers can feed pokemon the size of full adults or more with their lunch money, is beyond me.
- I would choose blastoise, he is not only comparable in size with the Galapagos Tortoise that is mostly vegetarian and can be relative easy to feed given a pool and a few plants and fruit, also they can last several months without food because they can store it in their shells and I'm lazy.
- Charizard would be the worst because he can fly meaning he burns a lot of calories by physical activity, by having fangs it means it is a carnivore and that just increases the cost of maintaining it, and the worst is that he constantly burns its tail meaning that he uses fuel = more food = more money.
- And Venasuar no because, I'm gonna be honest, he is ugly.
Interesting though if cost of sustainability is the metric and looks is not factor I'd say venusaur is the cheapest as he mostly needs sunlight and water being mostly a walking plant.
He is basically an hybrid between plant and animal, likely something similar to a frog. We still see bulbasaur eating in the show. So I guess it can survive to some extend on sunlight but the replacement of soil would still be food.It is said on some entries that the flower on its back smells really good but I will still say no because of the poison he uses. I won't hug any nice smelling ugly poison ivy.
But he is the easiest to maintain. All he needs is water and sunlight, and maybe a little bit of food now and then
I wud take venusaur just to spite you for calling it ugly.
Its a plant creature. Obviously vegan as fuck. Its food is literaly everywhere
And
Venusaur can wreck your blastoise as grass types are superior over water types lol
@@cherrydragon3120 You do know that there are carnivore plants, right?
In one of the Pokédex entries, it says that blastoices cannons can shoot waters that can cut through steel. (If I’m right) now your probably still right but it might be interesting to see if anything changed
I wish you were my chemistry teacher
I should probably look up which game it's from, but I know Blastoise can punch through steel with his hydro cannons. Given the diameter of them, wouldn't the amount of energy necessary be ridiculous?
Shirker1990 Its stated in several dex entires, I just looked them up. Kyle definitely wasn't being fair here and thats not even me cry babying because I Like Blastoise. All Dex entires should be used or none.
I always picked Charmander. i he's just cute and i like dragons :3 and yes i know hes not a dragon type(except mega) but hes close enough! also i like his Shiny form more.
6:50 goddamn thermodynamics
Its just 7th grader physics bruh, the heat energy chapter really helping me find my true potential really
@Because Science The omni-directional mobility gear (ODM gear) in attack on titan could a human survive the forces involved in some of the moves in the anime? Also what type of technology could make them work that we have now?
Psh. I don't need science to tell me a dragon is the strongest choice! It's a dragon.
..Yes, I'm aware it's ironically not a dragon type. That's still weird.
It is in its mega form
There is only 1 thing better then a regular dragon.
Wich is a Bahamut.
Also known as a Dragon King.
They're not in Pokémon as far i know but still. They're a dragon "king" for the reasons that they're FAR stronger and FAR bigger then regular dragons.
And they can utulize their forlegs as arms. Oposed to normal dragons wich are 4 legged.
Bahamuts are 2 legged. And use their claws the same way as humans use their arms.
“MCU versus.......I forgot the name of the other one.”
Major burn on DC! Respect
Ok. Love this one. I was a Gen 1 starter. Sad my turtle bro didn't make it, but didn't think he would.
I been seeing all kinda stuff and I'm loving it. In terms of weaponry, do you have anything on the efficiency of the Kingdom Hearts Key Sword?
Due to Blastoises high body water ratio he wouldn’t be melted that fast allowing him to use hydro pump and either knock-back or punch a hole through Charizard. One of Blastoise’s Pokédex entries says his hater can cut through steel or something like that. If you care look it up.
I believe the one you are thinking of is from silver which is gen 2
1 the fact you used moves for Venasaur and Blastoise and the pokédex entry for Charizard was inappropriate because the pokédex is known for its statistical inaccuracies. 2 the "signature moves" are Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, and Frenzy Plant. (As of the orange isles expansion in Pokémon fire red and leaf green) 3 you didn't calculate the Joules over time, that's the best way to determine the "power" one pokemon has. Because given unlimited time anything has ridiculous energy. you didn't limit the amount of time used in charizard's "attack" to 60 seconds or 5 seconds (as you did with Venasaur and Blastoise's attacks) ok I think I'm done now.... Oh and hi
The parameters they set for the other two was pretty garbage. However, the Pokedex they use was from the original red/blue Pokemon. Technically, there was nothing in the Pokedex to say what a Blastoise or Venusaur could do.
@@gigantkranion not at the time yes but we have many other dex entries now....
Thank you for your addition and contribution to my rebuttal.
@@hipnyah, they specifically stated they use the signature moves from the first generation. This means they use red and blue versions.
If you want to be super pedantic. They don't have signature moves.
@@gigantkranion thanks for that but it still doesn't change my points. Even if you limit it to only "gen 1" (not including later expansions) he still didn't compare apples to apples (metaphorically) by comparing only their moves against each other... He also didn't choose the strongest available grass move by joules and Ignored the fire moves entirely.
Thank you for your addition and contribution to my rebuttal.
@@hipnyah This is true.
Hey Kyle,
You recommend a ton of books to read. I love sci-fi and loved the series Expeditionary Force. They get fairly accurate to what space warfare would be like when it comes to vast distances.
That being said, what books would you recommend?
Going off the games and anime you can calculate there speed power defense etc. When it comes to strength in attack blastiose whens (pokedex says it can shoot water that rips through steel plates) charizard has the most speed, and venisaur (cant remember what hes good at right now) and also you can find diameter online for blastiose cannons, etc.
Yeah but explain this, why would people let kids command those giant beasts?
Well, there are people out there who are fine with little kids having guns, just watch who is america, so its not outside the realm of possibility they'll let kids own something like a fire breathing winged lizards.
Vaas Montenegro my theory is that children are motivated to become trainers at an early age to drastically increase the overall amount of trainers. Doesn’t mean there are not adult trainers. Let’s say there are more Pokémon than humans (don’t know if that’s the case because I really don’t know pokemon lore) you would need as much trainers as possible. Another theory of mine is that pokemon are made to battle each other because they are violent by nature. So by having them trained to fight in a controlled environment, it’s actually a way of preventing colosal disasters. That’s just a theory though.
Because the kids are commanding giant beasts! You gonna stop them?
You took in account the pokedex entry for Charizard but not for Blastoise
I thought there was a hair on my phone with your picture....
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Yeah I thought he was gonna pull the flow rate from that famous blurb about filling swimming pools.
Hi Kyle Considering using hydropump has no negative effect such as time to prepair the attack or to be surrounded by watter other than using up power points and water is a non conpresable fluid therfore blastoise must be capable of creating the water requirements for the attack from energy. E=mc^2 gives us 8.9x10^16 Joules per kilogram of water.
One last thing to fuck everything up. The started descriptions change from game to game. I remember one saying something like the flower(on bulbasaur) amplifies the sunlight it absorbs from the sun.... so there is not what to know. Also you can give them all more powerful moves throught breeding.
8:51 hold down B!!
If pokemon were real..we all going to die
arief syamil why the fuck would you type that sentence when no one cares
Detective Pikachu 😂
Yeah, humans can hardly handle the animals we have now. Lol
That's basically why they where made btw, for war
That's why you cNt go into tall grass without pokemon or wild pokemon would kill you
This man's eyebrow game is on point when's hyper about what he's explaining. I need to go to the dance school them brows went to. XD
Pokedex also mentioned Blastoise's jet being able to punch through thick steel plates;
Here is the problem with taking pokedex entries seriously: Remember that for some reason doctors in the world of pokemon make it so pokedex entries are gathered from children. Remember the fire slug that is hotter than the sun? Yeah. Hum, this is why researchers go through the whole peer discussion and long term observation of phenomena (and are not 10 year old kids who are just helping their neighbor catch world destroying beings).
Now where is the pokemon game where I have to follow a wild charizard for months observing what it melts with the firebreath to create an accurate report stating the amount of energy it can use. Where is my pokescience, the game.
Why not use calories as a measurement of energy? I mean, I know people use it as a measurement of how fat they're gonna get from eating a snack, but one calorie is the amount of energy required to evaporate one mililiter of water. Or to do a five hundredth of a sit up for the average man. So it has a thermal and a momentum measurement.
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Ps: the calories in food are actually kilocalories.
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Pss: wouldn't it make more sense that Venosaur's solar beam might be a photo-sensitive chemical reaction considering it's his strongest attack and he can lift and throw around other pokemon with vine whip meaning his solar beam should be much more powerful than that?
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Psss: Charizard melting anything is a figure of speech. If it can melt boulders of granite it can pretty much melt anything.
Using SI-units is generally better in any situation, and using calories would just mean converting into a less convinient unit for no real reason
@Ninja Hombrepalito It's PPPS rather than PSSS. That's because PS means "post-script", so PPPS would mean "post-post-post-script".
Awesome video Kyle you should do more pokemon related videos
Holy crap, best DCEU burn ever in the intro there!
hey, won't Blastoise be more powerful if it releases more volume of water in less time as it will be able to pierce through stuff, I think since his jets are a part of his body he will be able to shrink its area causing more pressurized water to flow through. And just like this in every case time will also be a part in the equation. in case of the flamethrower, if heat is sent out in less time, there will be more damage as there will be less radiation loss before the substance melts, of course not much difference but enough to defeat metapod :o
+ venusaur is able to increase the size of his leaves, which is more than venusaur's width as it hangs out of his body while performing the attack so increasing the area, but assuming 2m flower, the area would be 4m^2, leading the total energy to be 0.33 million J of energy instead of 0.25Million.
Blastoise can move the cannons but not change their diameter.
Every Grass type can learn solar beam at very low levels, and could you do one for the Univa league.
Edit: anyways love your videos, anyways I think your videos are a cooler version of the game/film theorist's
I like the Feynman diagram-ish part of your logo lol
Have you ever thought of making a video on that scene in back to the Future where Marty McFly is thrown backwards by the sound coming from the large speaker
It would be cool to reason through what keeps Charizard from hurting itself with all that heat! What’s it made out of? Aside from magic, of course.
Abrian Curington where does blastoise get all that water from?
The power of friendship?
@@peterosborne8315 Right?? It either has to dehydrate itself to the Nth degree, or maybe it hooks into the local hydrant system XD
@@energydragonslayer2681 AGREED. I just found out that Sailor Moon Monopoly exists and that it has both Love and Friendship cards. It's all about that friendship power!
@@AbrianCurington sailor moon monopoly? You learn something new everyday
Hey Kyle longtime viewer first time commenter, loved the show, the only thing I would have to say is that by assuming that the boulder charzard is melting is granite (melting point of around 1260 C) aren’t you giving him a much higher energy level then say if he were melting limestone (melting point of around 825 C)? After all the Pokédex entire just says that he can melt boulders, not that he can melt ALL boulders.
Also I would like to add for everyone getting mad that Kyle didn’t use the Pokédex entry for the other starters (specifically the one about blastoise being able use his jets to punch holes in thick steel) he very clearly was only using the Pokédex entry’s from gen 1 and the other two starters had nothing noteworthy for this episode in their entry’s in gen 1 (the punching through steel entry didn’t come until gen 2) and honestly you wouldn’t want him to include the Pokédex entry’s from gen 2 and up because the gen 2 entry for charizard literally says he can melt ANYTHING so this would significantly increase his power.
hey kyle can you do a video on the nuclear pasta, and how it might be the legendary uru metal that made thors hammer
so if we are going w/ pokedex entries.... in some of the later pokedexes, blastoise's cannon is mentioned to be able to 'punch through thick steel'. if you assume that 'thick' means at least a few inches, it is way more energy than mentioned here.
Cool episode Kyle but I have a few things to add. Giving Charizard the benefit of the doubt the density of granite would be 2750 kg/m^3 and a max mp of 1533 K. I added the formulas you used along with your assumptions for each FE starter and a couple changes/assumptions of my own and came up with some similar and surprising results. I graphed these starter Pokemon energy levels in relation to their height. Given that in the Pokemon universe different individuals of the same species can vary in size I based all energy calculations off of such. Given your calculations reliance on height I used this as the scaling factor for each Pokemon. Assuming that Venusaur's flower always is a 1:1 with it's height not much changes lol. As it's height approaches infinity it's still the weakest as it has a linear correlation with it's energy. Charizard and Blastoise are where things get interesting. I don't know how you calculated Blastoise's volume but I used the formula for the volume of a sphere. I also continued to use the relation of cannon diameter being 10% of Pokemon height. Since in the shows and movies I remember a Blastoise using rapid spin appeared to be approximately a sphere I thought it fitting. They both have an exponential curve associated with their height vs energy graph and Blastoise's scales better. Charizard is still stronger until around 150 m tall. At this point a Blastoise will have the attack with the greater energy. I know 150 m tall is ridiculous but I seem to remember an episode with giant pokemon that could easily be at least 150 m and maybe more. Long story short, skip Venusaur, choose Charizard, but if you find the land of giant pokemon find yourself a Blastoise. :D
This isn't a fair comparison necessarily, because raw energy isn't everything. What is the power output on Charizard's fire? How long does it take to melt that boulder? Blastoise probably has more power output than Charizard, despite the much lower energy.
Also 257000 joules of laser energy.... Your eyes would be vaporised and your face would explode
Kyle awesome show watch u all the way from Argentina!
Did you ever noticed that when a pokemon is called from his pokeball they seem to be resting and are awakened... maybe the pokeball puts the pokemon on some type of hybernation stasis. Just wanted to point that out!
the references in this episode were amazing
doesnt boulders in pokemon have a way smaller size? i would say its 1m^3 or however you would say it, i know it doesnt change charizard from being the most powerful, but it certainly would drasticly reduce the value right?
You can't really use Pokédex entries and base your science around that because they constantly contradict eachother. If you'd want to use Pokédex entries you'd have to use them for venusaur and blastiose too.
They specifically used the generation 1 version. Generation 1, is the original 151 Pokemon from Red/Blue and the obvious Pokedex entries that followed.
Hey Kyle! I have a question for you. What do you think is the best tangible basis for power levels? For example if Vegeta points a scouter at you and it reads a power level of 1, what can that value be equivalent to? A stick of dynamite? Which means at full power your body can deliver an attack or lift objects, run, etc., equivalent to the energy of a stick of dynamite exploding.
The boy at the end about charmander was interesting. Could you do a video with some etymology, philosophy type things on these subjects? Wouldn't be science but maybe another avenue.