Amber didn't know his wife was missing. The day she found out about his wife was missing, she called the police. So, she did notify the police right away.
Yeah. This guy had Amber completely wrong. She has to assume he killed his wife and own child. She’s got a 2-year to consider. Why should she and her kid be any safer? This guy applauds Kessinger? What a joke. Nichol was what, 28, and she was allowed to have her daddy participate in the police interview? How does he not consider that shady? And had Shanann not been gone so much that summer, she would’ve been dead much sooner.
Amber was very brave, honest and strong. She didn’t crumble on cross-examination. She has my utmost respect. And to Sharon Rocha, my utmost condolences.
I don’t believe Amber knew anything about his hidden life. He was a typical narcissist, if it hadn’t have been her it would’ve been many more. The watts mistress definitely played a part in the whole sickening case.
Exactly... she dodged a bullet. She would have eventually poked holes in that story about his ex and if she would have EVER figured it out in totality... he more than likely would have blamed her and probably become paranoid about her potential to tell on him... you KNOW what happens after that... 🤷🏽♀️
@@HighPriestess_Studio5 exactly what I was thinking. She looks generally scared & feels disgusted how she didn't know & literally thought of him as actual "marriage material".
This is no great enigma we supposedly missed! Of course Scott will use travels, hes a traveling salesmen. So we didn't miss that. Chris used the work travel to dispose of the bodies. It was not a regular routine that we missed. He was outed almost immediately. Nikole came forth because it was obvious that detectives would be looking at any accomplices. Amber called as soon as she heard about Laci in the paper a d Scott. So no we didnt miss anything! Why you praise Nikole is almost ludicrous!
@@robertwadas Go back and watch from day one the timeline of events. The sting operation ,phone calls, taped for police,. Before there was a jail cell.
I always felt so bad for Amber. Here is a single mom wanting to make a better life for herself and believes he is a nice guy in love with her and her child . She was a very good person who deserved much better
@@larrywheels762 Men are of course far too smart to ever fall quickly for seductive, psycho women who they think are good because they have been fed total BS? I could have sworn that this unfortunate reality was evenly distributed between men and women...
There's no comparison. Amber did not know he was married, Nicole did. Nicole should have been charged. Amber was a straight up victim. Nicole made the choice Come on.
I’m not entirely convinced she didn’t know. Her phone records show she spent hours on the phone with a police detective friend after meeting Scott. Also her best friend found out he was married by their 2nd date. If I found out some random dude my friend just met was married - I’d be telling my friend ASAP. Also she had dated other married men before. Knowingly.
@@truecrimematters no way!? I have never heard anything like this about Amber Makes sense. Sad. Still I am unconvinced that Nicole wasn't helping with the bodies. She put the She in shade.
Amber was genuinely distressed about Laci’s disappearance, way more than Scott should have been. This man was a Walter Mitty character and pathological liar so she did an amazing job putting herself in the eye of the media storm to do the right thing.
She was and I am very upset about the comparing her to that evil woman Kessinger who was in Shannans HOME!!! She told Chris to sell Shannans ring and she deleted texts that could have helped the investigation!!! Amber came forward almost immediately but it was kept from the public!! She worked with police to record her calls with Scott not delete them!! She is the opposote of Kessinger!!!
Blaming women for the crimes of men always seems like veiled misogyny for me. Even if Kessinger knew Watts was married and still slept with him, that sort of pales in comparison to stuffing your toddlers into oil tanks and burying your wife in a shallow grave. To my mind, if these men were the kind of people to make their family disappear the second they find them inconvenient, a lot of things could lead to them becoming family annihilators, not just infidelity. Anthony Todt didn't have a mistress, nor did Josh Powell. Supposed Chris Watts never met Kessinger, but he did discover how much money his family was losing to endless MLM schemes and decided to kill his family for life insurance...does that seem impossible? In any case, I'm fairly disgusted by the tendancy to almost make allowances for family annihilators by blaming the women who, had things gone differently, could easily have been these men's next victims.
Just because NK is a woman doesn't mean that she either didn't know or wasn't involved in the murders herself. Unfortunately, as long as the current DA has his job in Colorado, they won't be interested in finding out the truth.
@@jecarlin Can I ask why you are so convinced that Kessinger was involved? What's your position on Amber Frey? Was she involved too, or did Scott Peterson act alone in your mind?
I actually don't understand any of the blame for either of the mistresses. The men in these cases committed these crimes. They are the murderers, no one else.
@@andarwarje8127 I don't think Amber Frey was involved at all, and genuinely wanted to do the right thing by coming forward. There's a UA-camr named Zowoki who does a lot of videos that explain why NK was involved.
Scott didn't tell Amber that his wife had "died". He said he "lost her". The obvious implication is death, but he doesn't say that explicitly. Amber did not question him further and took what he implied to her as she had died. Upon discovery of his lies she asked him why he lied to her about his wife having died. He told her "there's different kinds of loss, Amber". He was- playing semantic games.
I think she did the right thing regarding informing the police about Peterson, but not sure about the “class act” thing. She stayed overnight with Scott the first night she met him & left her daughter w a sitter with no prior warning. Also she gave Scott a key to her apartment on their second date & let him pick up her daughter at daycare & stay with her. 🤯 She also got into hot water recently by making the wrong man pay for child support for over 10 years or something,
Funny how Peterson supporters bash Amber - a single woman - for sleeping with him the first night they met but seem to be okay with the married father-to-be jumping into bed with her.
@@truecrimematters Amber also didn’t actually know who Aiyana, her daughter’s, father was. She had another man pay child support for 4 years before DNA revealed her real father was someone else. She said she didn’t really want to have a baby at first, but she was so traumatized by a previous abortion the year before, she just went on ahead with the pregnancy to avoid having another one. Of course, she grew to dearly love her child, but let’s not play the “who was the most noble mistress game,” right? Mmkay? It’s not a game worth playing and it’s really demeaning to both women, IMO.
I think he purposely stayed out of the media, no interviews etc, because Amber, and possibly other women he had hooked up with and conned, would recognise him and report him. I don't think Ambers five day silence is significant. The media were reporting a wife missing, her picture was all over the news, but Scotts wasn't. Why would Amber think that Laci was the wife, who she had been told was had already died months before. Even if you caught one news report in that five days, saying "the search is still on for missing Modesto woman, Laci Peterson". You wouldn't put two and two together and think - oh thats my boyfriends dead wife, who died months ago, until you actually saw Scott in the news. And when she did realise she called the police. Amber is not suspicious, nor were her actions imo
I think a few things to remember: Amber was a single mother with very little time to sit back and watch TV or read the newspaper. This was before smart phones. It may have taken her a while to find out, process it, and finally have the alone time to call. Not to mention the fear of retribution from him. If he could murder his wife and unborn son, could he murder her? Her daughter? That's a lot to consider
Amber may not have asked how Laci died because that kind of question seems indelicate & insensitive under the circumstance of it being the first Christmas without her. Less rude to wait until he’s ready to share that.
Amber wasn’t in the same area as Scott where as Nicole was in the same area as Chris. Amber didn’t hesitate to speak up wear a wire & suffer being hounded. Nicole knew from the beginning Chris was married she looked him up months before she even transferred to the same office as Chris. Nicole perused Chris and it goes on & on. You can not compare the two.
I will always be fascinated - and horrified - by the way Kesssinger was treated, basically accused of being equal to a murderer, lost her job, lost her home, lost everything, and that was her reward for co-operating with the investigation. Millions of women have affairs with men whom they know are married. Kessinger had every reason to believe the Watts marriage was over, is the point.
@@TCRS NK was treated with kid gloves by the police interviewer. Her dad was allowed to redirect lines of questioning. She was allowed to filibuster and not answer questions.
Amber Frye did everything the right way she didn’t sell her story. She came forward at the first opportunity that she was aware. I think you are a little unfair towards her.
Laci & Connor were the victims here, but to a lesser degree so was Amber. Scott chose her because she was vulnerable, a single mom - he was completely using her - he wasn't interested in her - she served whatever his sick twisted purpose was in his life at that time. I don't think Amber should be measured up against Nichol, and who contacted law enforcement the quickest - and then speaking of Amber's fairy tale and how badly she may have wanted it. It seems like you are under the counter blaming her - I dare say it seems like it is 'triggering' you about perhaps some of your own past issues with women. I say that respectfully. Amber had a child, there was so much at stake for her - her world just got turned upside down - she knew what a media frenzy there would be - she had a lot to consider before whatever time it was that she contacted the police. She was right, she wasn't a 'mistress', Scott lied to her - imagine the shame she felt when she did speak to media about everything. Scott potentially ruined her life as well, let her write her book, and tell her side of the story.
This whole section about when Amber came forward is ridiculous. She came forward as soon as she knew what was going on. She worked with the police & she recorded their calls. It was a completely different situation.
For years I doubted Scott’s guilt, but then I got married and we had kids. And I realized no guy is leaving his heavily pregnant wife mopping the floor on Christmas Eve to go fishing AND call her to request she run an errand…Plus, there’s only a ten minute gap between Scott checking his VM on way to office and the neighbor finding the dog.
I don’t think NK is innocent. In fact I think it is not outside of the realm of possibility that she could have been complicit in those homicides. NK googled about Amber Frey and wanted to know how much money she got from her book deal. NK fully knew that she was having an affair with a married man who had a pregnant wife and young children,
Kessinger lied multiple times including about her phone pinging by Chris' house the morning of the murders. She absolutely had something to do with it.
Biggest difference between Amber and Nichole , was Amber was in the dark but also she was genuine and showed real empathy for Laci and her family , NK really doesn't seem to care she's so laid back about the fact her guy killed his wife and killed.
I know Amber didn’t react right away but Scott & Laci did live some distance from her. His life was more of a mystery to her where Chris W & Nicole K worked together. I can see Amber not reacting right away bc she didn’t know of anything suspicious until she saw it on the news. Also Scott told her he was going to be out of town so his absence during the initial missing phase of Laci wasn’t suspicious. I have a lot of respect of Amber. She called. Was helpful. Was recording conversations & cooperating with the police. She played the part to help get him caught. In the beginning of the trial the prosecution was floundering. Scott had a very good lawyer & could have put doubt into the juries minds. I think Amber’s testimony sunk Scott’s defense despite the lawyer he had. There were a lot of other key evidence that sunk him but I think her testimony stuck in the minds of the jurors who ultimately convicted him. The innocent project is a joke. I think the only reason why they were convinced to take on his case is because his sister in law became a lawyer to defend him. Her delusional input convinced them that he was innocent. It is ridiculous!! I pray Scott doesn’t get a retrial or out of prison. He killed his wife & son bottom line. He got lucky they took away the death penalty. The least he can do is a spend the rest of his life rotting in prison.
Forgive me for being cynical, but I think Nicole didn't write a book because she helped Chris in some way, and Amber didn't. If Amber made any money from her book, good for her - Scott caused her so much anguish, embarrassment and fear that she deserved any money she could get. I admired her integrity and felt she was truly innocent. She was just looking for love, and Scott love-bombed her and she thought she'd hit the jackpot, but got a horrifying nightmare instead.
I hate that you are comparing AF and NK almost, Praising NK and criticising AF. Whilst NK knew Watts was married with kids, AF didn’t know about SP and was a victim of his lies and betrayal also. Two different women, with different motives for coming forward.
@@TCRS we agree to mega disagree. No hard feelings but yiiiikes. You know what, yall? It may just be the difference between how men look at things or just the evidence vs how women look at things when we know exactly what was going on, evidence or not. Just cause we all experience life differently, so we have different opinions but also still yikes. Women know exactly what NK was doing and everything that happened to her is a natural consequence of her duplicitous nature and is well deserved. I’m still going to listen and like and support you forever bc we agree the majority of the time but even if we never agreed your insights make me think hard, challenge me, and I appreciate that.
@sassyess696 The two women cannot be compared. Of course, NK would love to compare herself with AF, but they engaged from two completely different perspectives in their respective "relationships."
Nicole Kessinger didn’t come forward until her employer let her know they informed the police about the emails they’d found between her and Chris Watts. In the meantime, she’d deleted a lot of messages and photos and wasn’t upfront about other apps they used to communicate. Then she took her dad with her to the first two police interviews. You give her far too much credit 😉
Kessinger did not speak because she was involved. If you look at the video of Watts loading up the truck. In one the person has sneakers and in the other the person has boots up to the calf. We always knew she was involved because they can see the person with the boots had long hair. Now Watts is saying she was there that night.
There was only one person there that morning doing the crime and that was Chris Watts. All these anti-Nk truthers have never, and will never be able to put NK there that morning with Chris Watts. He was the lone ranger of the crime, period. As far as the shoe theory, Chris had them on during the loading and changed them to the black boots before he left and it is in the video. When he arrives back to the house to meet the officers, he is wearing those black boots that people claim to be NK's. His pants are covering the top part of the boots he has on. If that video was solid fact that she was there that morning, She would be in prison along with Chris. Facts solve crimes, not speculation.
Agreed. She probably was in the house helping, as well. Any woman that can assist a person with the demise of another woman AND children no less... she should be in jail.
But that was THEN, when FACEBOOK didn't exist back in 2002! If FB HAD existed then, Amber could have found Scott Peterson on FB and realized he was lying to her
Kissinger did not go to police until she had deleted all the text messages between them. While he was on holiday with his wife she harassed him daily with texts, she knew a lot more than she told the police, she even had her father sit in on the police interview. I would not give her any kind of a break
Kessinger knew about Chris wife and pregnancy, stalked her multiple times, her phone even pinged during the murder of Chris wife and children...she was more than likely involved...
I was living in California at the time Laci Peterson was murdered; the story was all over the news. Hard to believe it would have taken days for Amber to put the pieces together. Perhaps she sought legal advice first.
And no doubt a safe place to stay w her daughter for a while. It takes time and resources to make arrangements before you cross a man who you now know is very dangerous.
From the time we are little girls we are taught to think that we must wait for the handsome prince to come. We were taken to see Disney movies like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. Little boys at the same time (in between movies about war and westerns) want to find the girl of their dreams and rescue the princess. Be the knight in shining armor. It's ingrained into our psyche - wait for the prince, rescue the princess.
Being in the UK I was not aware of this case and therefore had no idea it was (in hindsight) clearly the influence for Gone Girl. Watching Scot Peterson in the Documentary I realised how incredible Ben Affleck's performance is in that film. He captures the essence of Peterson so incredibly well and very subtly. There are some shots of Peterson in the Doc where he looks exactly like Affleck in Gone Girl. Its incredible.
I think you’re a bit too hard on Amber. Kessinger knew, Amber didn’t. Amber had to consider what he would do to her and her 2-year old daughter, because if he can kill his wife and own son, he could kill Amber to shut her up (and her daughter) Kessinger couldn’t talk to police without her daddy there. And Kessinger could have been planting ideas in Chris’ head, so you have zero evidence she bears no guilt on anything. I like your channel, but I believe you’re way off on comparing Nichol favorably to Amber. I’m fine with her writing a book, because we all KNOW she’s an innocent victim. Can’t say the same about Kessinger. She didn’t ask how she died because some people put compassion over their own interests. He was crying and distraught and she is too nice a person to drill him him with inappropriate questions at the wrong time. As far as she KNEW, she had plenty of time to wait until he was ready to talk about what she perceived to be an extremely painful event in his life. You see a time crunch that wasn’t there on December 9th.
NK had googled how much money Frey made off her book deal (net worth), so she is not so innocent. Amber genuinely seemed shocked and horrified by what Scott had done. NK does not speak that way over Shan'ann or "the kiddos" who she could not even say their names.
@@chris-uh2xo I was referencing how NK was using the money consideration differently than Amber. NK behaved very differently in researching Amber. Yes, Amber is a single mother who probably lost some income from the media exposure and time off for the trial, so she had the right to tell her side of the story. I do hate that it had to happen that her story involved the loss of an innocent pregnant wife and her baby. I know Laci's family struggles with the loss of her and Conner.
So, Nicole is a shameless opportunist for googling how much Amber made from her book, but Amber isn’t for WRITING IT😂. Sure, that makes sense. 🙄 It may not have been my style, but she knew her name was about to be revealed to Smerica and she would pilloried in the town square before the townsfolk came with their pitchforks and torches. Trying to make something profitable, at least, off the inevitable witch hunt and calls to hang her high may not be admirable, but it’s understandable. Spoilet alert: she never wrote the book, changed her make, went underground and has lived a life of tenuous , voluntary anonymity. There are no villains here.
@@cpeace3172 I would say the only thing that NK has in common with AF is the fact that she did a Google search on Amber Frey. That’s about where the similarity stops for me.
6 years later it seems the ignorance around the Watts case is still very high. If you had to ask the police what their first breakthrough was, do you know what they would say?
Nichol was involved. She came forward to try to cover her own butt. Amber had no idea what was going on & the day she found out about Laci being missing, she went to the police.
Nicole's emails showed her looking up Shannan's FB. Shannan posted her personal information about her life. So Nicole knew she was married, pregnant, etc
Long drive was to place Laci in shark waters. There are 11 species of shark living there. Also shellfish like crabs are all b8g preditors on the decomposing corps.
Shannan’s trip to N Carolina was two fold. One, to visit with her family and for the children to engage with their grandparents. Secondly, she was attempting to expand her MLM business, Thrive, by harvesting a new market of potential sales recruits for the company back in her hometown. I believe she said so herself.
Gotta say Amber is someone I believe to have had genuine anguish as a result of her situation, and there was Alton’s other ways she could have handled it that would have been more self serving, but didn’t. Nikole Kissinger??? Yeah….she can keep googling why amber frey got a book deal or whatever. Different animals.
Premeditation exactly !!! No, men like this sometimes don’t want children or additional children but they’ll go along with the wife until there’s a pregnancy much like Watts with his wife’s third pregnancy. Unlike Frye I think possibly Kissinger was picked up on video cam at the residence at the time of the murders at least someone with sunglasses and a long ponytail. Of course Kissinger wanted to come forward if she is possibly complicit even though never pursued. So she gets no metals in my book if she is possibly bebopping around the truck being loaded up with bodies. There’s no comparison really. 😮
I heard once he got gift cards from anadarko and was using those, and then when the gift cards ran out he used his credit card and shanan knew right away.
There is something off about Kessinger. Her hands are not clean ~ she batted her eyes, arched her back, and giggled like a school girl with the interviewing officers. She’s highly manipulative.
It seems like now people do need to check in Thoroughly their partner before marriage I'm older so it worked out for me 41 years but I think nowadays people do need to really look into their partner very well before they marry😢
What did we miss? I don’t understand your point about Kesslinger went to the police right away and It took amber many days but you said you weren’t sure when Amber knew, so how did you know how long it took amber to go to the police. Plus didn’t the police need to build a case with scott? So you can’t compare these sanarios. Did you say you wrote books about it? I’m sorry maybe If watched it again I would understand.
I dont believe Nicole Kessinger helped Chris at all, but it is kindve twisted that once she started to realize Chris mightve killed his wife, insteas of guilt, her first thought was to google Amber Freys book deal. As if to say "hmmm...maybe I could cash in on this tragedy."
Amber and Nikki are similar though in trying to be 'the cool girl'. 'First Christmas without my wife' was followed with what? I guarantee it was game-playing, husband-catching. Lacy probably didn't realize something she said to Scott to try to be cool was what got him to want to marry her. Wealthy grandma, forgiving cheating, not needing a stable job because things would be taken care of. My advice to the ladies: DON'T BE COOL. CHALLENGE. PRESS. You gotta separate the men from the boys, the men who will protect you vs the ones who will murder you when someone who seems cooler shows interest!!!
I think you’re completely wrong! Amber came forward immediately once she found out Scott was married and his wife was missing, and Amber taped all phone calls between the two afterwards. She also tried her best to get Scott to confess on the phone! She 100% cooperated with the police. Nicole deleted all contacts with Chris from her phone and destroyed all written cards, notes, letters, etc BEFORE she talked to the police! I also believe that level of hiding evidence directly leads to the truth that Nicole probably knew way more than she ever told the police! Nicole googled Shanaan and knew rveryyyung about her outside of Chris knowing this. If you’re looking to place fault or blame, Amber did nothing wrong. Nicole has changed her name and gone into hiding because she did these shady things and is believed to know and have done even more! There is zero comparison between Amber and Nicole!
Amber came forward immediately >>>Do you know the date of her press conference? They say in the documentary that the only reason they gave the press conference was because the Enquirer was going to leak photos of Amber with Scott.
@@TCRScompare that to Chris’ Nikki!!! Amber didn’t delete evidence! She cooperated 100% and actually gathered evidence! She was already working with the police before that Enquirer article with a picture of her and Scott was to be published!!!
Amber reached out to the police on Dec 30 to help. The press conference was not until Jan 24 so what time passed? As soon as she discovered Scott’s wife was missing, she called the police tip line that day!!!
@@TCRS It's very well documented that on the morning of 12/30 Frey went to the police and gave them evidence that she was in a relationship with Peterson, provided a timeline and included photos of the holiday party they attended on 12/14. The press conference was scheduled later.
Narcissists are very smooth…they play the game with the new girl. Love bombing… lies…. Telll them what they want to hear whilst getting rid of their “ problem”.
There is no way Laci was murdered by the burglers..and being pregnant why would she even go over there and put herself in danger..Laci would have called the police if anything..
Well, a few neighbors, including a Superior Court judge neighbor all said they witnessed Laci saying she “yells at” the transients in the park to leave & stop living there at a town meeting. She did not like how they were taking over the neighborhood. She wrote a few letters to the township as well about the transient issue and about the poor lighting in the park. The judge specifically recalled telling her NOT to do that, especially when she was pregnant because those people can lash out. Laci didn’t care if she was a very bold, fearless lady. She actually physically broke up a fight between transients in the middle of the street in front of her house a few weeks prior. These situations were brought up at trial too.
When you talk about "Did Amber ever ask how Lacey Died, ETC" I don't think people do that often, because they do not want to bring up painful subjects. People usually ask other people who know the person. The only other scenario that might happen is that the person wants to talk about the wife's death, and you would ask them questions when they open up.
If she had, Amber could have figured out what was really happening a lot sooner. I mean, your friend tells you he's still married, he says, I am but my wife died. Okay, when and how. Oh but we're not going to ask that question. Well that suited Scott perfectly.
@@TCRS True...But that's a tough subject for people to ask about. Usually if someone says that their wife died, and stops there, you don't ask. i've studied Sociopaths, and pit is the one thing they are good at getting people to fall into their trap. If someone tells you a sob story right off the bat, when they first meet you...RUN.Ihad a co-worker righto ff the bat tell me her husband died as soon as I met her. and she was a psycho.
@@TCRSI'm not sure about other parts of the world but I'm from a small Southern town in the US and I as well as basically everyone I know realize it is bad manners to ask a widow/widower how their spouse died. If it is that pressing to know, we either ask a third party, but never the bereaved.
@@tammyhall3144 So sorry for your loss. It's against human nature to not ask about that unless the person wants to talk about it. I have a friend that lost his son to brain cancer, and unless brings it up, I'm not going to bring it up in Conversation.
NK came forward immediately bc she wanted to get ahead of it and get her side of the story on the record first. I wasn’t born yesterday. Or the day before yesterday. If any of you all have dealt with someone like that, you know exactly what I mean. Like a burglar you shot bc they were breaking in your house and they call 911 first and say they heard someone inside yelling for help and there’s a crazy person with a gun in that house.
Okay I get what you're saying couples don't spend much time apart. But my aunt used to fly out every summer from New York to Reno Nevada for a whole month to spend time with the family. And when my grandma moved in with my aunt in New York my mom would fly out for about a month every year and they'd go golfing to Myrtle Beach or something so couples spending time apart I don't find it all that odd maybe it's just my family is odd😅
@amyweeklynewsreport6787 I think it was too long for Shannoan to be away especially with having marital problems and small children away from their father but she married a psycho and should never have married him in the first place...
@@debraspence3559 agreed she shouldn't have married him in the first place I understand what you're saying. All I was saying was people aren't all the same they have strange relationships lol. Maybe they're married because of the kids but they don't want to be together so much all the time 😆
I don’t agree with you. Two different cases and AH had no idea Scott was married. Fair play to her for writing a book , maybe it will help other women look out for the signs. She did nothing wrong …. Absolutely nothing !
This is the first time I hear that Laci had "inherited money." Where did that info come from? I thought he had a life insurance policy on her not that she had an inheritance ??
Laci had already inherited about $100,000 in jewelry after her grandmother's death. She was set to inherit part of over $2 million from the estate of her grandparents.
Another thing missed early on was Scott's other flings; it's now being suggested that his sister-in-law Janey was among the flings, and Laci found out about it and threatened to tell Scott's brother. Another motive for murder?
Kessinger came forward not to help the police but to save her own ass. If she was soo helpful, than why did she removed all of the communications with Watts from her phone and why did she lie to the police during interrogation. This channel is constantly trying to paint Kessinger as as a blameless victim which obviously she wasn't. Amber was the innocent victim and she helped the police to catch Scot. She was nothing like Kessinger.
Nick and all, I followed all these cases too as they happened and even payed attention to all of their aftermath updates as they crossed my path thruout and the years. I’m curious about something though, and wanted to ask readers who pass thru here if what I think/feel is of the average,minority or majority ? I don’t know my reason for this but, I am so tired of the Ramsey case that short of an announcement that the killer has been identified, I really don’t have ANY desire to hear anything more about it. The redundancy of analysis on every single piece of it has been been squeezed & beaten to a pulp without ANY revelation since it happened. It’s DEAD and has been for a long time… I haven’t heard anything new for decades. Are any of you feeling exasperated too over it or do you still welcome the subject for discussion? Just curious.
I believe that Scott fell head over heels for Amber. He got whipped (sexually) & he lusted for her more. Laci was the fall-person. He didn’t want to lose Amber, if she found out. Scott is sick! Scott’s jerk-off voice, while in the car, talking on the phone to Amber-says a lot!
I've always thought that Scott killed Laci, but was it first degree murder or a lesser offense? For example, they could have been in a fight, and he struck her forcefully in such a way that caused her to fall & hit her head on something, fracturing her skull. Even if he didn't intend to kill her--and that's a big "if"--he did not report what happened, not even calling 9-1-1 for help, and then criminslly disposed of her body.
Yeah but chris watts didn't do that with NK and she most certainly knew they were very much together as she was watching shanannes face book, she see all of her posts and see that she was newly pregnant, so actually NK knew exactly what the sitch was!!
Amber didn't know his wife was missing. The day she found out about his wife was missing, she called the police. So, she did notify the police right away.
She saved her life by doing so, to me it looks like he was on his way to get rid of her in case she spoke up. He didn't know she already had.
You're right, that's what I came here to say. Kessenger was more involved in the Watts' murders than she said.
She knew she's lying
Yeah. This guy had Amber completely wrong. She has to assume he killed his wife and own child. She’s got a 2-year to consider. Why should she and her kid be any safer? This guy applauds Kessinger? What a joke. Nichol was what, 28, and she was allowed to have her daddy participate in the police interview? How does he not consider that shady? And had Shanann not been gone so much that summer, she would’ve been dead much sooner.
@@pallasathena1369 yes so lucky she didn't confront him in person
Amber was very brave, honest and strong. She didn’t crumble on cross-examination.
She has my utmost respect.
And to Sharon Rocha, my utmost condolences.
I don’t believe Amber knew anything about his hidden life.
He was a typical narcissist, if it hadn’t have been her it would’ve been many more.
The watts mistress definitely played a part in the whole sickening case.
Exactly... she dodged a bullet. She would have eventually poked holes in that story about his ex and if she would have EVER figured it out in totality... he more than likely would have blamed her and probably become paranoid about her potential to tell on him... you KNOW what happens after that... 🤷🏽♀️
@@HighPriestess_Studio5 exactly what I was thinking. She looks generally scared & feels disgusted how she didn't know & literally thought of him as actual "marriage material".
@@orangetown67 He WAS marriage material with that 'Perfect Husband Mask' he had on. You kidding? He had that character DOWN PAT! 😡🙄🙄🙄
She DROVE it
Amber put alot on the line,even her own safety at risk,imo. Nothing but respect for her.
Exactly.
This is no great enigma we supposedly missed! Of course Scott will use travels, hes a traveling salesmen. So we didn't miss that. Chris used the work travel to dispose of the bodies. It was not a regular routine that we missed. He was outed almost immediately. Nikole came forth because it was obvious that detectives would be looking at any accomplices. Amber called as soon as she heard about Laci in the paper a d Scott. So no we didnt miss anything! Why you praise Nikole is almost ludicrous!
@@ecalose6785yeah wtf
Who was going to hurt her? The guy in a jail cell ?
@@robertwadas Go back and watch from day one the timeline of events. The sting operation ,phone calls, taped for police,. Before there was a jail cell.
I always felt so bad for Amber. Here is a single mom wanting to make a better life for herself and believes he is a nice guy in love with her and her child . She was a very good person who deserved much better
So many women think they met a nice guy after 4 weeks. The guy can be feeding them total BS. A facade. So many women fall for total BS.
@@larrywheels762 Men are of course far too smart to ever fall quickly for seductive, psycho women who they think are good because they have been fed total BS? I could have sworn that this unfortunate reality was evenly distributed between men and women...
@@larrywheels762 I think she trusted it because she was set up with him by her friend so he obviously was lying to others about his status as well ..
There's no comparison. Amber did not know he was married, Nicole did. Nicole should have been charged. Amber was a straight up victim. Nicole made the choice Come on.
I’m not entirely convinced she didn’t know. Her phone records show she spent hours on the phone with a police detective friend after meeting Scott. Also her best friend found out he was married by their 2nd date. If I found out some random dude my friend just met was married - I’d be telling my friend ASAP.
Also she had dated other married men before. Knowingly.
@@truecrimematters no way!? I have never heard anything like this about Amber Makes sense. Sad. Still I am unconvinced that Nicole wasn't helping with the bodies. She put the She in shade.
@@TheVelvetKitten hahahha. She in Shade. I love that!
Amber was genuinely distressed about Laci’s disappearance, way more than Scott should have been. This man was a Walter Mitty character and pathological liar so she did an amazing job putting herself in the eye of the media storm to do the right thing.
I believe everything she said and of course she helped the police by taping all phone calls afterwards. She was brave, IMHO.
Amber is still Smoking hot! She definitely was genuinely saddened and remorseful for her affair with 💩 head Peterson.
She was and I am very upset about the comparing her to that evil woman Kessinger who was in Shannans HOME!!! She told Chris to sell Shannans ring and she deleted texts that could have helped the investigation!!!
Amber came forward almost immediately but it was kept from the public!! She worked with police to record her calls with Scott not delete them!! She is the opposote of Kessinger!!!
I agree. The poor woman was horrified at what she found herself involved in.
I think she did it and framed him
Blaming women for the crimes of men always seems like veiled misogyny for me. Even if Kessinger knew Watts was married and still slept with him, that sort of pales in comparison to stuffing your toddlers into oil tanks and burying your wife in a shallow grave. To my mind, if these men were the kind of people to make their family disappear the second they find them inconvenient, a lot of things could lead to them becoming family annihilators, not just infidelity. Anthony Todt didn't have a mistress, nor did Josh Powell. Supposed Chris Watts never met Kessinger, but he did discover how much money his family was losing to endless MLM schemes and decided to kill his family for life insurance...does that seem impossible? In any case, I'm fairly disgusted by the tendancy to almost make allowances for family annihilators by blaming the women who, had things gone differently, could easily have been these men's next victims.
Just because NK is a woman doesn't mean that she either didn't know or wasn't involved in the murders herself. Unfortunately, as long as the current DA has his job in Colorado, they won't be interested in finding out the truth.
@@jecarlin Can I ask why you are so convinced that Kessinger was involved? What's your position on Amber Frey? Was she involved too, or did Scott Peterson act alone in your mind?
I actually don't understand any of the blame for either of the mistresses. The men in these cases committed these crimes. They are the murderers, no one else.
@@andarwarje8127 I don't think Amber Frey was involved at all, and genuinely wanted to do the right thing by coming forward. There's a UA-camr named Zowoki who does a lot of videos that explain why NK was involved.
@@TCRS You don't think it's odd at all that NK deleted her text messages or didn't have an alibi during the time of the murders?
Amber was very Brave and of highest integrity. Blessings for Amber.
Kessinger came forward so she wouldn't be implicated.
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
With text deleted on her phone . Very suspicious.
yeah, not to do the right thing. AFTER she googled amber frey!!!!!
She was definately involved.
Their workplace was about to go to the police and she wanted to get ahead of them.
In the end, Scott Peterson will just stay locked up!!!
Scott didn't tell Amber that his wife had "died". He said he "lost her". The obvious implication is death, but he doesn't say that explicitly. Amber did not question him further and took what he implied to her as she had died. Upon discovery of his lies she asked him why he lied to her about his wife having died. He told her "there's different kinds of loss, Amber". He was- playing semantic games.
Amber was a class act and made kessinger look like a waste of space
I think she did the right thing regarding informing the police about Peterson, but not sure about the “class act” thing. She stayed overnight with Scott the first night she met him & left her daughter w a sitter with no prior warning. Also she gave Scott a key to her apartment on their second date & let him pick up her daughter at daycare & stay with her. 🤯
She also got into hot water recently by making the wrong man pay for child support for over 10 years or something,
Funny how Peterson supporters bash Amber - a single woman - for sleeping with him the first night they met but seem to be okay with the married father-to-be jumping into bed with her.
Low standards for why a person has class.
@@truecrimematters Amber also didn’t actually know who Aiyana, her daughter’s, father was.
She had another man pay child support for 4 years before DNA revealed her real father was someone else.
She said she didn’t really want to have a baby at first, but she was so traumatized by a previous abortion the year before, she just went on ahead with the pregnancy to avoid having another one.
Of course, she grew to dearly love her child, but let’s not play the “who was the most noble mistress game,” right? Mmkay? It’s not a game worth playing and it’s really demeaning to both women, IMO.
@@scarlettthebrave5854 totally Amber has a heart , Nk doesn't care only how it effected her
I think he purposely stayed out of the media, no interviews etc, because Amber, and possibly other women he had hooked up with and conned, would recognise him and report him. I don't think Ambers five day silence is significant. The media were reporting a wife missing, her picture was all over the news, but Scotts wasn't. Why would Amber think that Laci was the wife, who she had been told was had already died months before. Even if you caught one news report in that five days, saying "the search is still on for missing Modesto woman, Laci Peterson". You wouldn't put two and two together and think - oh thats my boyfriends dead wife, who died months ago, until you actually saw Scott in the news. And when she did realise she called the police. Amber is not suspicious, nor were her actions imo
Good point about NK. Love IS blind at times. Still, she knew Chris was married. Amber was deceived into thinking Scott was single.
And that’s the most important part for me, if we wanna talk about who was more mistress-y.
NK is a horrible person. Amber is not. Doesn’t excuse MDR, but let’s not put NK on a pedestal.
Amber thought Scott was a widow.
I think a few things to remember: Amber was a single mother with very little time to sit back and watch TV or read the newspaper. This was before smart phones. It may have taken her a while to find out, process it, and finally have the alone time to call. Not to mention the fear of retribution from him. If he could murder his wife and unborn son, could he murder her? Her daughter? That's a lot to consider
Why didn't you just let her go to her parents house,they didn't have to die.n😢
💔💔💔
Bc he’s a psychopath and there were life insurance policies and they don’t think normally.
Amber may not have asked how Laci died because that kind of question seems indelicate & insensitive under the circumstance of it being the first Christmas without her. Less rude to wait until he’s ready to share that.
Amber wasn’t in the same area as Scott where as Nicole was in the same area as Chris.
Amber didn’t hesitate to speak up wear a wire & suffer being hounded.
Nicole knew from the beginning Chris was married she looked him up months before she even transferred to the same office as Chris.
Nicole perused Chris and it goes on & on. You can not compare the two.
Thank you!
I will always be fascinated - and horrified - by the way Kesssinger was treated, basically accused of being equal to a murderer, lost her job, lost her home, lost everything, and that was her reward for co-operating with the investigation. Millions of women have affairs with men whom they know are married. Kessinger had every reason to believe the Watts marriage was over, is the point.
@@TCRS NK was treated with kid gloves by the police interviewer. Her dad was allowed to redirect lines of questioning. She was allowed to filibuster and not answer questions.
Thank you!
@@TCRS if she was so sure why was she pretty much stalking Shanaan on social medal u
She was amazing with those phonecalls - strong person to have kept her temper after the level of disrespect scott put her through.
Amber Frye did everything the right way she didn’t sell her story. She came forward at the first opportunity that she was aware. I think you are a little unfair towards her.
Amber cannot be compared to Nicole.
Laci & Connor were the victims here, but to a lesser degree so was Amber. Scott chose her because she was vulnerable, a single mom - he was completely using her - he wasn't interested in her - she served whatever his sick twisted purpose was in his life at that time. I don't think Amber should be measured up against Nichol, and who contacted law enforcement the quickest - and then speaking of Amber's fairy tale and how badly she may have wanted it. It seems like you are under the counter blaming her - I dare say it seems like it is 'triggering' you about perhaps some of your own past issues with women. I say that respectfully. Amber had a child, there was so much at stake for her - her world just got turned upside down - she knew what a media frenzy there would be - she had a lot to consider before whatever time it was that she contacted the police. She was right, she wasn't a 'mistress', Scott lied to her - imagine the shame she felt when she did speak to media about everything. Scott potentially ruined her life as well, let her write her book, and tell her side of the story.
This whole section about when Amber came forward is ridiculous. She came forward as soon as she knew what was going on. She worked with the police & she recorded their calls. It was a completely different situation.
For years I doubted Scott’s guilt, but then I got married and we had kids. And I realized no guy is leaving his heavily pregnant wife mopping the floor on Christmas Eve to go fishing AND call her to request she run an errand…Plus, there’s only a ten minute gap between Scott checking his VM on way to office and the neighbor finding the dog.
I don’t think NK is innocent. In fact I think it is not outside of the realm of possibility that she could have been complicit in those homicides. NK googled about Amber Frey and wanted to know how much money she got from her book deal. NK fully knew that she was having an affair with a married man who had a pregnant wife and young children,
Kessinger lied multiple times including about her phone pinging by Chris' house the morning of the murders. She absolutely had something to do with it.
Biggest difference between Amber and Nichole , was Amber was in the dark but also she was genuine and showed real empathy for Laci and her family , NK really doesn't seem to care she's so laid back about the fact her guy killed his wife and killed.
😭🙏🌹😢rip. Sweet lady and baby. ✝️
I know Amber didn’t react right away but Scott & Laci did live some distance from her. His life was more of a mystery to her where Chris W & Nicole K worked together. I can see Amber not reacting right away bc she didn’t know of anything suspicious until she saw it on the news. Also Scott told her he was going to be out of town so his absence during the initial missing phase of Laci wasn’t suspicious. I have a lot of respect of Amber. She called. Was helpful. Was recording conversations & cooperating with the police. She played the part to help get him caught. In the beginning of the trial the prosecution was floundering. Scott had a very good lawyer & could have put doubt into the juries minds. I think Amber’s testimony sunk Scott’s defense despite the lawyer he had. There were a lot of other key evidence that sunk him but I think her testimony stuck in the minds of the jurors who ultimately convicted him. The innocent project is a joke. I think the only reason why they were convinced to take on his case is because his sister in law became a lawyer to defend him. Her delusional input convinced them that he was innocent. It is ridiculous!! I pray Scott doesn’t get a retrial or out of prison. He killed his wife & son bottom line. He got lucky they took away the death penalty. The least he can do is a spend the rest of his life rotting in prison.
He was dating more than just Amber. I think at that time he had 2 additional girlfriends. He was a serial cheater.
He craved validation - he had to look like the big business man in Paris. Whereas he was a mummy's boy ...
How does someone even have TIME for that?!
Forgive me for being cynical, but I think Nicole didn't write a book because she helped Chris in some way, and Amber didn't. If Amber made any money from her book, good for her - Scott caused her so much anguish, embarrassment and fear that she deserved any money she could get. I admired her integrity and felt she was truly innocent. She was just looking for love, and Scott love-bombed her and she thought she'd hit the jackpot, but got a horrifying nightmare instead.
I hate that you are comparing AF and NK almost, Praising NK and criticising AF. Whilst NK knew Watts was married with kids, AF didn’t know about SP and was a victim of his lies and betrayal also. Two different women, with different motives for coming forward.
I hate that you are comparing AF and NK>>>Nichol Kessinger compared herself to Amber Frey, as did virtually every American that knew about both cases.
@@TCRS I didn’t compare, you did, I commented on your comments not, “virtually every Americans”
@@TCRS doesn't mean you should, you're supposed to have the insight but you dont here. NK hasn't a scintilla of the class Amber had. !
@@TCRS we agree to mega disagree. No hard feelings but yiiiikes. You know what, yall? It may just be the difference between how men look at things or just the evidence vs how women look at things when we know exactly what was going on, evidence or not. Just cause we all experience life differently, so we have different opinions but also still yikes. Women know exactly what NK was doing and everything that happened to her is a natural consequence of her duplicitous nature and is well deserved.
I’m still going to listen and like and support you forever bc we agree the majority of the time but even if we never agreed your insights make me think hard, challenge me, and I appreciate that.
@sassyess696 The two women cannot be compared. Of course, NK would love to compare herself with AF, but they engaged from two completely different perspectives in their respective "relationships."
No. 1 Lesson: There are NO Knights in shining armor, No. 2 Lesson, There are NO Fairy Tales either when it comes to relationships.
Nicole Kessinger didn’t come forward until her employer let her know they informed the police about the emails they’d found between her and Chris Watts. In the meantime, she’d deleted a lot of messages and photos and wasn’t upfront about other apps they used to communicate. Then she took her dad with her to the first two police interviews. You give her far too much credit 😉
Thank you!
I agree I’m like whaaaat
I wrote an entire book on Kessinger, but it seems you know the details a lot better. Strange that you didn't write a book.
Well damn 😢 that was mean, tcrs. it won’t let me reply the real way. I’m sad now.
@@TCRS And that only makes you an author…congratulations 🙄
I learned a long time ago those fairy tales don't exist. Even the good relationships are not fairy tales!
Kessinger did not speak because she was involved. If you look at the video of Watts loading up the truck. In one the person has sneakers and in the other the person has boots up to the calf. We always knew she was involved because they can see the person with the boots had long hair. Now Watts is saying she was there that night.
There was only one person there that morning doing the crime and that was Chris Watts. All these anti-Nk truthers have never, and will never be able to put NK there that morning with Chris Watts. He was the lone ranger of the crime, period. As far as the shoe theory, Chris had them on during the loading and changed them to the black boots before he left and it is in the video. When he arrives back to the house to meet the officers, he is wearing those black boots that people claim to be NK's. His pants are covering the top part of the boots he has on. If that video was solid fact that she was there that morning, She would be in prison along with Chris. Facts solve crimes, not speculation.
Agreed. She probably was in the house helping, as well. Any woman that can assist a person with the demise of another woman AND children no less... she should be in jail.
No shes not involved. Shes too smart to be involved killing toddlers!
@@ecalose6785 I hope you're right 😬
@@ecalose6785 lol
But that was THEN, when FACEBOOK didn't exist back in 2002! If FB HAD existed then, Amber could have found Scott Peterson on FB and realized he was lying to her
Kissinger did not go to police until she had deleted all the text messages between them. While he was on holiday with his wife she harassed him daily with texts, she knew a lot more than she told the police, she even had her father sit in on the police interview. I would not give her any kind of a break
Rest in Heavenly Peace Beautiful Laci and Baby 😔🧸🌹🕊️🤍🙏
Kessinger knew about Chris wife and pregnancy, stalked her multiple times, her phone even pinged during the murder of Chris wife and children...she was more than likely involved...
I have absolutely no doubt that Kessinger knew. Amber had bad judgment, but I don’t believe she knew. She also did the right thing.
I was living in California at the time Laci Peterson was murdered; the story was all over the news. Hard to believe it would have taken days for Amber to put the pieces together. Perhaps she sought legal advice first.
And no doubt a safe place to stay w her daughter for a while. It takes time and resources to make arrangements before you cross a man who you now know is very dangerous.
She could have heard about it but not realized it was her boyfriend’s wife until she actually saw him and put 2 and 2 together
As you should before talking to police.
Amber was another victim
of SP…I admire her for her
bravery in coming forward.
I hope she is living a happy life💛
From the time we are little girls we are taught to think that we must wait for the handsome prince to come. We were taken to see Disney movies like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. Little boys at the same time (in between movies about war and westerns) want to find the girl of their dreams and rescue the princess. Be the knight in shining armor. It's ingrained into our psyche - wait for the prince, rescue the princess.
Not mine, but you are so right. Adrienne Rich, if you are familiar with the late poet, called it compulsory heterosexuality.
@@marianparoo1544 compulsory or natural
I've been saying the same thing for years.
Me too and it was dangerous, it had me in various types of danger and sadness all my adult life. And didn’t even know I was in danger.
@@itchysheets1222 We all have fantasies, it's part of being human - but to notice that they are fantasies, that's self-awareness.
Being in the UK I was not aware of this case and therefore had no idea it was (in hindsight) clearly the influence for Gone Girl. Watching Scot Peterson in the Documentary I realised how incredible Ben Affleck's performance is in that film. He captures the essence of Peterson so incredibly well and very subtly. There are some shots of Peterson in the Doc where he looks exactly like Affleck in Gone Girl. Its incredible.
I think you’re a bit too hard on Amber. Kessinger knew, Amber didn’t. Amber had to consider what he would do to her and her 2-year old daughter, because if he can kill his wife and own son, he could kill Amber to shut her up (and her daughter) Kessinger couldn’t talk to police without her daddy there. And Kessinger could have been planting ideas in Chris’ head, so you have zero evidence she bears no guilt on anything. I like your channel, but I believe you’re way off on comparing Nichol favorably to Amber. I’m fine with her writing a book, because we all KNOW she’s an innocent victim. Can’t say the same about Kessinger. She didn’t ask how she died because some people put compassion over their own interests. He was crying and distraught and she is too nice a person to drill him him with inappropriate questions at the wrong time. As far as she KNEW, she had plenty of time to wait until he was ready to talk about what she perceived to be an extremely painful event in his life. You see a time crunch that wasn’t there on December 9th.
He was a fertilizer salesman? He’s STILL spreading it around!
Haha … I keep thinking, why doesn’t everyone call him a sh*t salesman?!? Glad you connected the dots too.
NK had googled how much money Frey made off her book deal (net worth), so she is not so innocent. Amber genuinely seemed shocked and horrified by what Scott had done. NK does not speak that way over Shan'ann or "the kiddos" who she could not even say their names.
@@endim002 and u wouldn't have done a book? she's a single mother needed the money
@@chris-uh2xo I was referencing how NK was using the money consideration differently than Amber. NK behaved very differently in researching Amber. Yes, Amber is a single mother who probably lost some income from the media exposure and time off for the trial, so she had the right to tell her side of the story. I do hate that it had to happen that her story involved the loss of an innocent pregnant wife and her baby. I know Laci's family struggles with the loss of her and Conner.
She tried to emulate Amber and failed miserably. NK is culpable in my opinion.
So, Nicole is a shameless opportunist for googling how much Amber made from her book, but Amber isn’t for WRITING IT😂. Sure, that makes sense. 🙄
It may not have been my style, but she knew her name was about to be revealed to Smerica and she would pilloried in the town square before the townsfolk came with their pitchforks and torches.
Trying to make something profitable, at least, off the inevitable witch hunt and calls to hang her high may not be admirable, but it’s understandable.
Spoilet alert: she never wrote the book, changed her make, went underground and has lived a life of tenuous , voluntary anonymity.
There are no villains here.
@@cyberpunkcentral8500 Amber told the truth. Nicole didn’t. She ran and hid like the coward she is. Simple.
I must have missed the part where NK helped the police investigate CW 🤔
She didn't!! She lied and deceived all the time.
@@anthonyhenriques3564 Exactly!
Yeah, I wouldn’t put her in the same category as Amber Frey
@@cpeace3172 I would say the only thing that NK has in common with AF is the fact that she did a Google search on Amber Frey. That’s about where the similarity stops for me.
6 years later it seems the ignorance around the Watts case is still very high. If you had to ask the police what their first breakthrough was, do you know what they would say?
Glad TCRS covered this one . I dig the hell out of case with what i know. TC always helps me with what i might have missed .
Nichol was involved. She came forward to try to cover her own butt. Amber had no idea what was going on & the day she found out about Laci being missing, she went to the police.
Nicole's emails showed her looking up Shannan's FB. Shannan posted her personal information about her life. So Nicole knew she was married, pregnant, etc
Long drive was to place Laci in shark waters. There are 11 species of shark living there. Also shellfish like crabs are all b8g preditors on the decomposing corps.
Poor Laci , poor Shannon , they both married monsters.
Amazes me the BS guys will feed their wives and get away with it.
Shannan’s trip to N Carolina was two fold. One, to visit with her family and for the children to engage with their grandparents. Secondly, she was attempting to expand her MLM business, Thrive, by harvesting a new market of potential sales recruits for the company back in her hometown.
I believe she said so herself.
Also it was a yearly visit to parents in the sun.
Gotta say Amber is someone I believe to have had genuine anguish as a result of her situation, and there was Alton’s other ways she could have handled it that would have been more self serving, but didn’t. Nikole Kissinger??? Yeah….she can keep googling why amber frey got a book deal or whatever. Different animals.
Premeditation exactly !!! No, men like this sometimes don’t want children or additional children but they’ll go along with the wife until there’s a pregnancy much like Watts with his wife’s third pregnancy. Unlike Frye I think possibly Kissinger was picked up on video cam at the residence at the time of the murders at least someone with sunglasses and a long ponytail. Of course Kissinger wanted to come forward if she is possibly complicit even though never pursued. So she gets no metals in my book if she is possibly bebopping around the truck being loaded up with bodies. There’s no comparison really. 😮
If Scott didnt want to be a father, then why was he trying to be with Amber if she has an 18 month old daughter?
If Scott was struggling financially, how was he providing dinners and gifts for Amber?
Double lives and fairytales are hella' expensive 💰🤷🏽♀️
The same way Chris Watts was.
I heard once he got gift cards from anadarko and was using those, and then when the gift cards ran out he used his credit card and shanan knew right away.
They were not expensive dinners or expensive gifts. A CD for Amber's birthday - not a big spend
Credit cards, and/or money from mom n dad possibly
There is something off about Kessinger. Her hands are not clean ~ she batted her eyes, arched her back, and giggled like a school girl with the interviewing officers. She’s highly manipulative.
I doubt Laci was dead yet, when Amber was told Scott's wife was dead.
Nope Laci wasn't dead on December 9th! Thats when Amber said Scott told her he had " Lost " his wife.
NK new Chris's wife thru Facebook a year before they even started dating. She was not the one misled in their situation.
It seems like now people do need to check in Thoroughly their partner before marriage I'm older so it worked out for me 41 years but I think nowadays people do need to really look into their partner very well before they marry😢
100%, you never really know someone
What did we miss? I don’t understand your point about Kesslinger went to the police right away and It took amber many days but you said you weren’t sure when Amber knew, so how did you know how long it took amber to go to the police. Plus didn’t the police need to build a case with scott? So you can’t compare these sanarios. Did you say you wrote books about it? I’m sorry maybe If watched it again I would understand.
I dont believe Nicole Kessinger helped Chris at all, but it is kindve twisted that once she started to realize Chris mightve killed his wife, insteas of guilt, her first thought was to google Amber Freys book deal. As if to say "hmmm...maybe I could cash in on this tragedy."
Good point about cheeter becoming convinced they can lie their way out of anything
I dont know that i believe in fairy tales anymore. Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, Natalie Wood. Not the fairy tales i hope for.
There’s no such thing as a fairy tale relationship , tale means story or lie. Sad! 😔
Amber and Nikki are similar though in trying to be 'the cool girl'. 'First Christmas without my wife' was followed with what? I guarantee it was game-playing, husband-catching. Lacy probably didn't realize something she said to Scott to try to be cool was what got him to want to marry her. Wealthy grandma, forgiving cheating, not needing a stable job because things would be taken care of. My advice to the ladies: DON'T BE COOL. CHALLENGE. PRESS. You gotta separate the men from the boys, the men who will protect you vs the ones who will murder you when someone who seems cooler shows interest!!!
I think you’re completely wrong! Amber came forward immediately once she found out Scott was married and his wife was missing, and Amber taped all phone calls between the two afterwards. She also tried her best to get Scott to confess on the phone! She 100% cooperated with the police. Nicole deleted all contacts with Chris from her phone and destroyed all written cards, notes, letters, etc BEFORE she talked to the police! I also believe that level of hiding evidence directly leads to the truth that Nicole probably knew way more than she ever told the police! Nicole googled Shanaan and knew rveryyyung about her outside of Chris knowing this. If you’re looking to place fault or blame, Amber did nothing wrong. Nicole has changed her name and gone into hiding because she did these shady things and is believed to know and have done even more! There is zero comparison between Amber and Nicole!
Exactly
Amber came forward immediately >>>Do you know the date of her press conference? They say in the documentary that the only reason they gave the press conference was because the Enquirer was going to leak photos of Amber with Scott.
@@TCRScompare that to Chris’ Nikki!!! Amber didn’t delete evidence! She cooperated 100% and actually gathered evidence! She was already working with the police before that Enquirer article with a picture of her and Scott was to be published!!!
Amber reached out to the police on Dec 30 to help. The press conference was not until Jan 24 so what time passed? As soon as she discovered Scott’s wife was missing, she called the police tip line that day!!!
@@TCRS It's very well documented that on the morning of 12/30 Frey went to the police and gave them evidence that she was in a relationship with Peterson, provided a timeline and included photos of the holiday party they attended on 12/14. The press conference was scheduled later.
“Good luck with your fairytale”…Love you Nick! Love your work. The most authentic voice.
Narcissists are very smooth…they play the game with the new girl. Love bombing… lies…. Telll them what they want to hear whilst getting rid of their “ problem”.
Wasn’t he having a number of affairs or had in the past? If not Amber, then someone else
There is no way Laci was murdered by the burglers..and being pregnant why would she even go over there and put herself in danger..Laci would have called the police if anything..
Well, a few neighbors, including a Superior Court judge neighbor all said they witnessed Laci saying she “yells at” the transients in the park to leave & stop living there at a town meeting. She did not like how they were taking over the neighborhood. She wrote a few letters to the township as well about the transient issue and about the poor lighting in the park. The judge specifically recalled telling her NOT to do that, especially when she was pregnant because those people can lash out. Laci didn’t care if she was a very bold, fearless lady.
She actually physically broke up a fight between transients in the middle of the street in front of her house a few weeks prior. These situations were brought up at trial too.
When you talk about "Did Amber ever ask how Lacey Died, ETC" I don't think people do that often, because they do not want to bring up painful subjects. People usually ask other people who know the person. The only other scenario that might happen is that the person wants to talk about the wife's death, and you would ask them questions when they open up.
If she had, Amber could have figured out what was really happening a lot sooner. I mean, your friend tells you he's still married, he says, I am but my wife died. Okay, when and how. Oh but we're not going to ask that question. Well that suited Scott perfectly.
@@TCRS True...But that's a tough subject for people to ask about. Usually if someone says that their wife died, and stops there, you don't ask. i've studied Sociopaths, and pit is the one thing they are good at getting people to fall into their trap. If someone tells you a sob story right off the bat, when they first meet you...RUN.Ihad a co-worker righto ff the bat tell me her husband died as soon as I met her. and she was a psycho.
I'm a widow and by the Grace of God people have been kind enough to not ask me the details of my husband's death.
@@TCRSI'm not sure about other parts of the world but I'm from a small Southern town in the US and I as well as basically everyone I know realize it is bad manners to ask a widow/widower how their spouse died. If it is that pressing to know, we either ask a third party, but never the bereaved.
@@tammyhall3144 So sorry for your loss. It's against human nature to not ask about that unless the person wants to talk about it. I have a friend that lost his son to brain cancer, and unless brings it up, I'm not going to bring it up in Conversation.
NK came forward immediately bc she wanted to get ahead of it and get her side of the story on the record first. I wasn’t born yesterday. Or the day before yesterday. If any of you all have dealt with someone like that, you know exactly what I mean. Like a burglar you shot bc they were breaking in your house and they call 911 first and say they heard someone inside yelling for help and there’s a crazy person with a gun in that house.
Okay I get what you're saying couples don't spend much time apart. But my aunt used to fly out every summer from New York to Reno Nevada for a whole month to spend time with the family. And when my grandma moved in with my aunt in New York my mom would fly out for about a month every year and they'd go golfing to Myrtle Beach or something so couples spending time apart I don't find it all that odd maybe it's just my family is odd😅
My husband and I do separate trips like that every other year. I think it’s healthy to do your own thing.
@amyweeklynewsreport6787 I think it was too long for Shannoan to be away especially with having marital problems and small children away from their father but she married a psycho and should never have married him in the first place...
@@debraspence3559 agreed she shouldn't have married him in the first place I understand what you're saying. All I was saying was people aren't all the same they have strange relationships lol. Maybe they're married because of the kids but they don't want to be together so much all the time 😆
Fairytale or not, in love or falling out of it, it all resumes to the battle of Truth VS Lie
Good luck with your fairytale 😂❤😊 That was quite funny. ;)
Exactly!
Thanks!
Bad comparison, Nicole hid everything deleted all messages
THANK YOU!
The devil comes in all shapes, sizes and walks of life. 😤
I don’t agree with you.
Two different cases and AH had no idea Scott was married.
Fair play to her for writing a book , maybe it will help other women look out for the signs.
She did nothing wrong …. Absolutely nothing !
This is the first time I hear that Laci had "inherited money." Where did that info come from? I thought he had a life insurance policy on her not that she had an inheritance ??
Laci had already inherited about $100,000 in jewelry after her grandmother's death. She was set to inherit part of over $2 million from the estate of her grandparents.
This is so damn stupid Amber went out with him actually 3/4 times. The rest was phone calls.
Another thing missed early on was Scott's other flings; it's now being suggested that his sister-in-law Janey was among the flings, and Laci found out about it and threatened to tell Scott's brother.
Another motive for murder?
Kessinger came forward not to help the police but to save her own ass. If she was soo helpful, than why did she removed all of the communications with Watts from her phone and why did she lie to the police during interrogation. This channel is constantly trying to paint Kessinger as as a blameless victim which obviously she wasn't. Amber was the innocent victim and she helped the police to catch Scot. She was nothing like Kessinger.
I wonder if Nichol Kessinger is now selling homemade soap. And living in her own hallmark tv movie. 😮😢
NO COMPARISON ..
That was quite profound Nick, what you said about things being “absolutely f***ed up”.
Amber didn't normally watch TV. Her frie da saw it on the TV and told her.
to come look at it.
Nick and all,
I followed all these cases too as they happened and even payed attention to all of their aftermath updates as they crossed my path thruout and the years. I’m curious about something though, and wanted to ask readers who pass thru here if what I think/feel is of the average,minority or majority ?
I don’t know my reason for this but, I am so tired of the Ramsey case that short of an announcement that the killer has been identified, I really don’t have ANY desire to hear anything more about it. The redundancy of analysis on every single piece of it has been been squeezed & beaten to a pulp without ANY revelation since it happened. It’s DEAD and has been for a long time… I haven’t heard anything new for decades.
Are any of you feeling exasperated too over it or do you still welcome the subject for discussion? Just curious.
It’s not a case I followed outside of nightly news mentions, therefore I pass on the current introspection.
I believe that Scott fell head over heels for Amber. He got whipped (sexually) & he lusted for her more. Laci was the fall-person. He didn’t want to lose Amber, if she found out. Scott is sick! Scott’s jerk-off voice, while in the car, talking on the phone to Amber-says a lot!
I've always thought that Scott killed Laci, but was it first degree murder or a lesser offense? For example, they could have been in a fight, and he struck her forcefully in such a way that caused her to fall & hit her head on something, fracturing her skull. Even if he didn't intend to kill her--and that's a big "if"--he did not report what happened, not even calling 9-1-1 for help, and then criminslly disposed of her body.
Yeah but chris watts didn't do that with NK and she most certainly knew they were very much together as she was watching shanannes face book, she see all of her posts and see that she was newly pregnant, so actually NK knew exactly what the sitch was!!
Thank you!
Good Afternoon 🙂
Gypsy Rose talked a lot about fairy tales before her mother’s murder. What a juxtaposition!
The reason why Kissinger won’t be in any documentaries is because she knew she was a mistress. Amber did not.
If you believe her. It's better for a mistress to pretend she doesn't know her lover is married but most of them know from start of relationship.
@@mirianakovachevic748 if you listen to their tapes, it’s all there. So yes, I believe the facts.