Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania - SPOILER Talk
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Quantumania is out, so you might have seen it. This is my SPOILER TALK, talking about the Spoiler-Ish things in ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA, so be warned!
#antmanandthewaspquantumania
If you make Kang the main antagonist in an Ant-Man movie, he has to win, or else he'll stop being viewed as a threat. Imagine if Thanos was defeated by ants before Infinity War.
Bang on the money. Thought they would lose for sure.
I agree. Thats what put me off the film big kang he has killed many avengers gets clapped by ant man.....
I guess the man thing is there are multiple variations. Just like there were versions of Thanos that lost. But this storyline kinda requires people to jump onto that concept, but that’s easier said than done.
Or if Doctor Doom's first entrance in a movie ends up being defeated by squirrels.
It’s a variant I’ll wait for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars
If Puss in Boots can tell a compelling story with mature themes (in a medium that's looked down by mainstream media), the MCU has no excuse after building this up as a high stakes movie.
Well said.
Facts, Puss in boots 2 was amazing and I had no expectations of it at all and it turned out fantastic.
Pick. it. UP
@@jassstraps6654 ok
@@mijanhoque1740 Well, that's the thing. When you don't have any expectations, the movie will be fun to watch because you're not expecting anything outside of consuming content. People nowadays will always compare the first three phases of MCU to anything that MCU comes out. The current movies will fall short because "it's not like how it was before" even though the quality of the movies are the same with some bad apples.
Kang The Conqueror killing presumably dozens if not thousands of Avengers but gets ravaged by a stampede of ants that he can see coming is wild to me.
Kang gets bullied in the cartoons and comics, do you not know where these stories come from?
@@backroomsbot get this bullshit reply outta here. You’re telling me that Kang took down the Avengers yet gets defeated by ants, and your excuse is that he’s bullied in the comics? Why tf do all this marvel fanboys use comics as an excuse to justify bad writing and shit logic.
@@backroomsbot Not a defence for the movie especially since they want Kang to be the big bad. Thanos lost in comic books and is a cuck to Deadpool, doesn't mean that he should have gotten his shit kicked in before Infinity War
@@backroomsbot comic accurate does not automatically = good movie
Doesn't matter how powerful you are if the enemy throw enough at you, just ask the Germans on the russian front.
I liked when Kang disintegrated everyone with his blue beam but he only pushed aside all known characters. Very thoughtful of him.
That whole sequence was to eliminate like half the npc characters 😅
Kevin Feige really needs to rethink hiring all these Rick and Morty writers. Giving them the keys to the kingdom of the Multiverse Saga seems genuinely insane to me.
And now he's writing The Kang Dynasty which seems to be a red flag
I definitely agree. I hate when they pick people who's resume has proven not to be at ideal marvel standards. I think marvel has a thing with hiring less proven directors and writers to save money but I can't imagine they really save all that much more compared to what casting and cg already cost.
I think Feige saw what they were doing with Rick and Multiverses with the Citadel of Ricks and wanted to somewhat copy and paste that idea for Kang
Michael Waldron continues to fail upwards. Never seeing anything he writes.
Yeah, Rick and Morty hasn't been funny or moving since season 2. Now, it's just incest 'jokes' and edge-lords being real-life ricks.
I agree, his story arc should have been wrapped up with him dying for his family, and then it would have made Kang all the more terrifying knowing there are real stakes when you go up against him.
This!
I love the movie, but I will admit, with Scott dying wouldve up the stakes, or atleast let Hope and Scott got trapped in the QR, but no.... Since its a happy movie, they get to escape and live their lives happily
Its just the trailers set Antman 3 to have highstakes but no.... Its another fairytale ending 🤷🏻♂️
@@dranillaasrapti9333 right! And Paul Rudd is a lovable character which would have made it a real gut punch. But Marvel 🤷🏻♂️
There were no character arcs in this movie at all.
Don’t worry, Kill-Monger will fight him in CREED III.
@@dranillaasrapti9333 We don't need stakes. This is the Modern MCU.
I was actually looking forward to a heroic death for either Scott or Hank. I think it would have really set Phase 5 in motion if one did die.
Yeah I agree, Hank should’ve heroically died. It would’ve been like Yondu’s death from GotG 2.
Man I'm sick of that we've already lost so many heroes already Tony, Cap, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor we should be happy that we still have Scott and Hank.
@@andrewcabral963 Hawkeye n Thor aren’t dead n could still very much show up in the future
@@tomdevinney7280 Hawkeye's retired and Thor has become a fucking joke and basically has turned into Mando.
@@tomdevinney7280 last time I heard of hawkeye, he got plowed and might not be able to walk.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate Jeremy’s Owen Wilson voice! Legit loved it
😮 bf 9@?
No one is talking about this ! But yess , they should
No one is talking about this ! But yess , they should
Yeah he was spot on
Spot on!
I think that the point you made about college kids and teens making Ironman armor and quantum tech has always been my problem with Marvel as a whole. EVERYONE is a super genius. It gets really old, really fast.
Good point most people are pretty dumb even the so called smart ones. I knew his Iranian guy who was vey smart he made a cloaking device for a military device (not sure if it ever worked but the design was vey complex) but then he couldn’t figure out how to tie a knot to hold the trunk of his car shut because it had broken. I’m not kidding.
WE NEED QUALITY OVER QUANTITY BACK!
That's why the mcu had a good thing going back then
Also,have writers check out the source material
Everyone gets to make their own iron man style armor, will they all come together and form Voltron but it's the MCU so you'll get multiple Voltron's forming ultra mega quantum avengers Voltron..
@@c.a.t4607 well yeah, as long as they write the characters to make them interesting and not boring
Then I won't mind
To paraphrase a different movie. When everyone is special, no one is.
At this point the MCU feels like a house party that should’ve ended five hours ago but we’re still there.
Well said.
Well stop watching and for you it'll
End
Agree.. shit at this point i just junk DCU might become more interesting lol with Gunns 5 or 10 yr plan
@@chrissalih4382fanbois gotta stop spending all their money to terrible movies and disney might just finally make a good mcu movie…. sometime 😂
You can leave if you want to. Im here for the long run. I want to see it all. i invested 15+years into this Story. You can get over feeling some sortve way. You are not going to get a oscar winner, deep, life altering movie. You are gonna get a comic book movie made by Marvel, a comic book company that makes movies. Just enjoy the show.
and hey
at least it isnt DC....
I thought the movie should've ended with Scott stuck in the Quantum Realm, just like Janet. His sacrifice would've hit harder and it would've given Cassie something to fight for as she would've felt like it was her fault her father was stuck. Hope could've trained her while they found a way to get him back and it could've been a legitimate origin story for her
This! It was such a missed opportunity. Felt like Hope's returning for Scott meant nothing. Scott & Hope exploring Quantumania would make a great 4th movie.
And she manages to Open the portal back in like 50 seconds LMAOOO…. Holysh!t they are not even trying anymore.
Sacrifice wouldve hit harder...AND Scott and Hope could've led an empire from the quantum realm to help fight The Kang Dynasty.
Rumors and leaks about the movie's plot that turned out to be true stated that Scott and Hope getting stuck in the quantum realm was the original ending but was reshot. I haven't seen the movie yet but know the new ending. But I feel like having them stuck would be too dour of a note to end another hero trilogy on and also would have been a repeat of the second movie where Scott got stuck in the quantum realm.
You know what would have been awesome? is if they didn't show who won that fight, and then when she opens it back up, out comes Kang wearing Scott's suit or signal or whatever. "Thanks for opening the way home." Then cut to black. boom.
All of Kang’s actions toward the end were so odd. He starts vaporizing his attackers left and right, then he sees Scott, Cassie and Hope, the people he most wants to kill, and he suddenly just wants to fist fight them?! The scene would have carried more weight if they had to avoid those disintegration beams or if someone actually had to sacrifice themself to stop him. Just boiled down to typical movie villain tropes.
Good point but it's like knowing you can win and are bullet proof you want to like Thanos just having fun
@@blb50 Kang wasn't even that good at physical combat against Antman.........
He didn't hit them with the channeled lasers, only the iron man burst version that was apparently on shoot to knockback not kill or something? Why did they not die on contact immediately? I don't know some unexplained bullshit with pim particles makes them immune to it's effects? Also how Kang couldn't create his own version of pim particles in the 30 years he was down there despite his knowledge and vastly advanced tech, I don't know. But like he said their daughter made a satellite capable of warping them to the quantum realm that was the size of a microwave. Oh why did Antman bring his daughter that he specifically came to save from Kangs captivity, right back with him into their supervillain fight when she's completely inexperienced and he loves her so much? Oh Kang also forgot he could freeze people in place in that fight too lol.
@@ARottenMuffin like I said, major big bad is just vaporizing people, but did not use the same weapon on Scott and company. Like he set his phaser on stun against his only real threats. Per usual, movies just want to show the villain’s strength, but don’t want them to be logical.
@@timothybrown5999 If that's your criticism, then you can criticize any movie with your logic lol.
The scene where Kang was torturing Scott was such an awesome villain moment "if you don't do what I say I'm going to kill your daughter and keep torturing you until you beg me to kill you", while being as cold and calm as possible
Omg yes. Chills 😬
Yeah, that's all Johnathan Majors! He comes off as calm and cordial as can be, but when the cracks in that facade reveal the true absolutely terrifying rage filled monster underneath it's incredible.
kang is the only thing that stops this show from ok while drunk to total dog shot
I think he should have actually killed her once and brought her back then he would be miles more threatening, people would have sat up and took notice.
And suddenly, the power he was displaying there disappeared in the 3rd act when he and his army could not handle one giant ant man that ironman and rhodey could knock out with a single punch.
Marvel choosing Jonathan Majors as Kang (or any main character, really) was such a smart move. His range is limitless, it seems. Takes his role very seriously. He can play a broccoli man even better than anyone else, I bet.
What's worse is knowing they're going to bring the xmen into this shit pile of a childrens franchise.
I can't wait to see Majors in Creed 3. Dude is one hell of an actor
Though I’m a bit jaded with the MCU I’ll catch Ant-Man 3 mainly to see Jonathan’s performance, he is just a force of nature in anything he does. I only saw clips of Loki to see Jonathan and he’s mesmerizing
@@jorgep19651 I’m hyped for that movie
My favorite scene in the whole movie is when Kang says "it's conquering time" and he kanged all over
They let Scott live so he can say to Kang the Conqueror in the Avengers movie: "Haven't I killed you before?"
You know, it’s sad that they literally probably have this planned out and made it more a priority than planning out an actual cohesive plot and sequence for the franchise as a whole.
I was also hoping that Kang would kill Scott. That would’ve left such a lasting impression of the power and ruthlessness of Kang, but I guess the whole ant joke payoff was the bigger priority.
Kang should be minimum a team buster. This guy should be able to solo any avenger including Thor, captain marvel, strange and Scarlet Witch. The guy literally spends his time traveling the multiverse killing people. To have lose to ant man is just undermining him and his effect as an antagonist
Yes kill scott! That would made him the real danger. Plus they already have lik 5 antmen, whole antfamily
Chill guys, only the exiled kang lost to ant man not the strongest kang variant
@@youtubeaccountserio2633 oh ffs lol is this what marvel has come to?
We're at this stage when it's OK to watch spoiler talk videos because of how little we care and expect from a Marvel film. Saved me money and time
Yep
I feel you. If I do watch this I would watch it to be with friends not for the actual movie.
No u just listen to other people and base Ur opinions on it instead of watching and judging urself the film is great not amazing but very solid but like said it should be your opinion someone else I just listen to reviews to hear others takes not to alter my opinion
@@markling5058 shhhh !Don’t talk logic with these brain deads !
I rarely upvoting or replying any comment on UA-cam, but this is what I truly feel at this very moment about MSheU 🤣
Kudos for you Sir for writing what I've been feeling lately.
Gotta save some money and time indeed!
Mark Ling - oh stfu - you Marvel stans look at good reviews as,
“I knew it was good” but when someone says something you don’t like about your beloved shallow, blockbuster you suddenly turn to,
“I’m gonna make up my own mind” and “He’s just a critic - critics don’t matter” MCU been trash for years
I really really felt you when you said "its now comedy with some dramatic moments". it hurts so much that theyve turned a serious series of films with some natural good comedy into comedy films with unnatural serious moments of drama.
@iiTzBobby what’s wrong with having a mix of both types of movies?
I have been saying the exact same thing since Phase 4…
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 that’s exactly what I want, which is why phase 3 was so good! This phase I feel like a lot of movies are JUST funny. Like even doctor strange was so very goofy for something that should’ve been a horror movie.
@@LurpN5 I didn’t think Dr Strange was much comedy
Well stated. I never thought the super hero genre was primarily comedy or satire (with a few exceptions such as Deadpool), but rather was drama with occasional comedy elements sprinkled in (like Spider-man using humor to cope with horrible situations he is in -- the situations themselves are not funny). It has to feel dramatic with high stakes and the threat of bad things really happening, or it fails.
You nailed the Owen Wilson and MODOK impressions 😂😂
I feel like even if Scott didn't die (which I totally expected from the trailer), He and Hope just being able to escape the Quantum Realm thanks to the device felt like a cop out. They could have kept them there to add to the drama if they didn't want to kill Scott
"Buried under mountains of CGI bullshit." That sums up what a lot of these MCU films feel to some of us.
Yet ya'll keep going to see them then getting online and crying when they and IF are bad :) pretty fucking hilarious. Maybe get a life? Get a better hobby?
Modok cgi was laughable.
@@kdreamscosmos4279 cool story bro
@@kdreamscosmos4279 My entire theater laughed when he took off his mask. Every time I saw Darren's face, I was like "put the mask back on!!!" It was pretty bad
Monkeypaw??? “MODOK’s CGI is meant to be bad” actual MCU fans
i thought a lot of the dialogue in the first act especially was really odd. like this whole time Hope has been trying to get her mom to tell her the truth about the quantum realm because she knows she's been hiding something. and then when bill murray is like "your mom is keeping secrets from you" for some reason hope's reaction is to be like "you're lying."
also kang kept cassie for no reason and then in his final fight with scott is like "i want you to know that you could have just gone home. been with your daughter." like no uhh you kidnapped her
Yeah, and, also, the mom asked Hope in the basement if she has been nagging her about her experience in the quantum realm for Cassie’s experiment. I thought it implied that Hope was genuinely asking her mom because she wanted to help her with her ptsd, but it never explains. Like, “oh, does she not care about her mom’s experience and is only asking to help with Cassie’s experiment?”
Also, also, yeah, Kang even said to Scott “she’ll be fine without you,” implying that he doubled crossed him and was going to kill him anyways. It made no sense.
cassie lang was annoying in this movie lol
@@velvetthunder74In Kangs defense, Scott could’ve returned home with Cassie, if they didn’t double cross him. But they started a rebellion instead.
Lying about her Mom being responsible for mass death and misery.. it was way more specific
Yo, that Owen Wilson impression genuinely killed me, I nearly woke up my family laughing so hard
well done LOL
Got hollow walls lol
Bahahahahahah I lost it too what a perfect impression
Jeremy is a gifted mimic. There are compilations of his wide-ranging voice impressions on UA-cam. He doesn't do them much any more, but when he does it's golden, like this.
I am still lost how Kang couldn't unshrink or retrieve the device himself for someone as powerful and smart as he is.
I wanted Scott to die too, then I wanted Scott and Hope to be stuck there together. Would’ve been a beautiful ending. Then neither happened!.. They just.. went home… It was a bit of a let down. Then we had Scott’s worry start to set in and I loved it! It reminded me of when I was a kid and didn’t do research to know what was coming next. It took me back!
Did hate he dismissed the incoming threat, I get his focus was on Cassie’s birthday but I can’t see Scott just blowing over that he could atleast consider the possibility and just decide he will get to it after her birthday party.
When he worry i thought it would be like Loki's ending: it looks normal but then you got stuck in the wrong timeline.
But no, nothing wrong. No bad consequences whatsoever
@@MetalMadness_00 maybe him dismissing is what will get him killed in Kang Dynasty?
@@VylonDelta for now tho, yes frustrating as it’s just more prelude and exposition, but I think that ending hints things won’t end well in next avengers movie
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 even so I can’t see Scott being that type of guy
Jeremy, thank you for touching on the fact that Kang has no actual powers. It's all good highly advanced tech. Many think he does have powers, but he doesn't. It's his suit and whatever tech he made in the 31st century. Really makes it scarier that, unlike Thanos, this is just a regular human with so much power at his fingertips.
Why (in my opinion) he should be a long descendant of Stark, and not Reed.
@@Josh-dy4lq Reed is levels above Tony as far as intelligence as well as tech...!
@@NatKyngKong420 I believe they even in the comics. Franklin Richards makes both Reed and Tony look stupid.
@@NatKyngKong420 Reed in the MCU is retarded tho
@@fuegofreh3648 😆 that's not the main Reed though
in the eipilogue when scott was having a short realization that something feels wrong, I really expected the movie to have some kind of twist ending where Kang actually survived, got out, and altered the reality that Scott came back to somehow. It would've made for a much intriguing cliffhanger ending that leads to Kang dynasty with the current Kang. Instead it's just played for gags.
Yo man, same thoughts here
i know right? hope's hair also looked different, a little browner, in that scene. i thought damn he might be in a different reality, but no...
Eh did you miss the end credit scenes?
Sacrificing good storytelling in order to tell a stupid gag is MCU's trademark
It's played for a gag, but in the end it's still a foreshadowing. Even at the birthday dinner, it still looks like he's quietly worrying.
Jeremy, that Owen Wilson impression was.... absolutely awesome.
*We need more of it.*
7:35
Reading after the fact that this movie was written by a Rick and Morty writer, this makes SO much more sense. This whole movie felt like an extended Rick and Morty episode. The humour, the lack of real stakes, the alternate realities and even the council (yes, I know it's originlly from the comics). I feel like every Marvel movie I've seen since endgame, the shine wears off faster and faster after I leave the theatre.
And ?
^responses like that is the reason mcu the way it is
He didn’t write all the episodes tho and honestly the ones he did write were the better ones. Samurai Rick and the vat of acid one are two
@@TenshiiNight I instantly thought of Rick and Morty when the "Do you have any holes?" guy came on screen. Now it makes sense lol
@@SpideysNightmare02 what do you expect from Indians, man? No matter how crappy MCU movies will become, Asia and it's fanbots who are not even reading comics will be satisfied as long as shit mcu movies will be thrown at their mouths🤣
Janette is super scared with PTSD because of them sending a signal into the Quantum realm yet in Antman 2 post credit scene they're just sending Scott in the Quantum realm willy-nilly to collect some healing particles. Kang could have easily found Scott thinking he's alone in there and take his pym particles to do whatever he needs to do.
Oh shit YEAH! Forgot about that! Good catch!
They weren’t going deep enough into the realm to worry about it. Also marvels excuse for them not knowing a living universe is down there
Tbf, when they were harvesting the quantum energy for Ghost they weren't sending a signal for anyone to track their location.
obviously this is the Thor 1 timeline. the willy nilly was from the Thor 4 timeline.
That's because janet was worried that kang would track down the location of janet's home if he ever gets out of the quantum realm. In Antman 2, it is just scott trying to scratch the surface
I found myself cheering for Kang as well. I thought he was an excellent villain whose arc I really want to see expanded on. But the one from this universe, not all those other ones
Literally on the edge of my seat hoping he killed Scott and made it through that portal 😭
Is Kang a black guy , I was looking at what kang looked and he was a blue guy so I’m confused is kang a black guy hiding his blue guy disguise?
@@Cousinbiddy1 in the comics he wears a blue mask just like in the movie. He’s just a normal looking guy with a blue mask and scars
@@Cousinbiddy1nah he's a guy wearing a blue mask even in the comics
@@Cousinbiddy1why does it matter?
Completely agree with your point about how many super annoyingly genius kids there are. Like come on bruh Hank Pym dedicated his life to trying to develop quantum realm travel & he only succeeded in old age. Howard stark and associates couldn’t even shrink properly until Darren cross came along. Now ant man’s kid did all this in a GARAGE? And the kid from black panther 2 is the same thing as well. It’s just too much.
It's pour lazy nonsense writing, where they think smart types are substitutes for compelling characters
I'm just lost on how Kang could kill all those Avengers in other universes (presumably other Ant Men too) yet he couldn't prepare for our Scott. Hmm
Ya I didn’t get it. If he couldn’t freeze big ant man like he did when he was in the cell how would he stop other stronger avengers
His arm tech got stuck on "ranged punch" mode.
Kang would of been in his full conqueror mode when he fought previous avengers with all his tech in tact, kang was fighting antman and wasp same time no prob but modok fried his force field and he got messed up by the army of ants and clearly his suit was malfunctioning after that point being quite depowered and he still beat Scott in a fight it took wasp and her stingers to push him back and then send him into that device. He did a great job if you ask me he was heavily outnumbered he didn’t have any competent soldiers just pure fodder. I think this kang is that guy and he will be back he’ll kill all other variants and take their power becoming a real threat above Thanos
@@Lagacy sounds like lame excuses for a supposedly big bad that we’re suppose to believe is all that but loses in his first appearance. what a joke
@@chrishernandez5965 I like it cause I’m sure he’ll come back and show how tenacious he is! Kangs coming got conqueror haki
Jeremy hit the nail on the head with Kang, really, really like the actor playing him. Some of his scenes give you chills. He barely taps his hand, and he is throwing people around, and some of his lines give you the feeling that none of the rebellion at the end even matters like where he says "I don't move in straight lines" or Michelle Phipher says it's over and he says you think this matters. I was fully expecting him to just wave his hand and Scott, Cassie, and the rest of the scooby gang to jump back right to the basement with him saying some crytic line or riddle and then end BUT no pops and sheild and ants and I was like really? Like Jeremy said, this is the Villan. You just spent 2 hours introducing me, and that's it he gets sucked into his core, and we get introduced to more of them who cares about them. I care about this guy.
Same shit I thought about end game that wasn't thier Thanos. Always felt uneasy about that thats why my all time fav marvel movie after iron 1 is infinity war
Infinity war is still the best MCU movie, IMO. I don't think it's going to be topped anytime soon.
@@Crichjo32 then you're very small minded and don't know much about the comics
He ain’t no thanos , not scary enough
@@PoldarkGodzilla but yet thanos would be scared of Kang🤣🤣🤣 you people don't understand how powerful someone is who is multiversal. Which is why in what if Thanos last 1 second
So apparently it was supposed to be that Scott and Hope were to be trapped in the quantum realm in order to defeat Kang but after some reshoots they changed that to make the movie more lighthearted. This was confirmed by the same guy who leaked the Spider-Man No Way Home script a while back confirming that green goblin was the main villian and Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire were coming back too. Such a shame really.
Man that sounds so much better :/ wish marvel would take risk
This would've been a PERFECT motivator for Cassie to step up and become a hero. She would've felt guilty over what happened, and Hank and Janet could train her in using a Pym suit while working with her to bring the others back. But no, she just suddenly has a portal to the Quantum Realm somehow and it's a safe, happy ending. So dumb.
That Climax absolutely reeks of a last minute rewrite/reshoot. I wonder if the plot being leaked online might have forced them to change it as well as the mandate it seems to make it more Saturday Morning Cartoon friendly. That was the moment it needed to end on a darker note to enforce how much of a threat Kang is.
We’ve already done “character tragically trapped in the quantum realm” twice now in the MCU, so it doesn’t bother me that they avoided doing that for a third time, especially since Cassie’s map and the retrieval tech for Ant-Man 2 means they should have logically been rescued within days of being trapped down there anyway. But I get feeling it was too saccharine. You just couldn’t play the trap card to tragic it up. They could have only avoided that by killing one of them or stranding one of them in the past/future.
Yeah, the movie had multiple moments where it could've ended and been more suspenseful. Scott could've been killed by Kang, or Kang could've gotten through and left Scott. Hope and Scott being stuck, that's another spot it could've ended. Then Scott on the street starting to worry about "the bad stuff coming," with some subtle nods to it being a Kang timeline (a'la Loke finale). Unfortunately they went the route where the movie really doesn't matter to the overall plot.
I’m definitely not ready for Scott to die, but I feel like if Hank or Janet had died it would’ve shown that Kang means business just as much. The MCUs stakes just feel really thin anymore.
That Owen Wilson part man, that is GOLDEN! 🤣
This movie in my opinion had a lot of potential. Nothing more exemplifies this than MODOK. Having him be Darren was an interesting take and could have set him up to be a terrifying villain. He’s been trapped in the Quantum Realm for who knows how long, and Scott’s the one who put him there. He already didn’t like the Pym’s and stole Hank’s company. He is greedy and power-hungry, and he should want revenge on Scott. The setup was there, and then he took off his mask, and I saw a face that while being executed well on a technical level, looks completely ridiculous. It’s no wonder they killed him off, because every time Darren’s stretched-out face and ass (yes, his ass is in the movie), I nearly burst out laughing. Instead of a threat, MODOK was a punchline because of the execution. There are moments where he’s genuinely threatening and he almost killed Hank, but Marvel couldn’t help themselves. Finally, after Cassie told him to stop being a dick, he has his character arc and kills himself. What a waste.
this is subjective but who the hell is going to take a floating head with baby arms and legs seriously. plus the bowl cut. gotta be the goofiest character design of all time regardless of the comics or the mcu
Yea I feel like he kinda of had to be joke. His comic book character design is just so preposterous and goofy it would be impossible to adapt to live action in a way that is intimidating and serious. So in true marvel fashion he basically served as comedic relief, which I was fine with I guess. He made me laugh a lot, no matter how dumb it was. I’ll agree it was a bit of a waste thought for sure. Could’ve been more if you don’t try to put an actual human face on him
It's like
"Stop being bad"
"OK, I don't care that I've been stuck for years and my whole life taken away from me"
Infantilized the fuck out of the character and the universe.. It's so disappointing.. Ant man should've been brutally murdered to set up a serious murderous villain
They have him all the jokes cuz Kang couldn't have any. MCU were never gonna use MODOK anywhere seriously so it's best to have him be just one and done as side villain. At least you got to see him in love action for once.
I felt the same way about Scott not dying. It would've been a better wrap up to that family story line.
Seriously, killing off Scott is one of the dumbest and most predictable thing ever to get cheap emotional quotient out of it. What's better would be he's trapped there in a bad situation and Kang escapes. Why is killing someone the best way of wrapping up a family storyline? How cheap and easy is that? It's like a jump scare or a bad pun. That kind of death needs to be earned like Stark's in Endgame. Killing off a main character is just as dumb as a cheap saccharine happy ending. It needs to organically arrive there.
I think it would’ve been better if they trapped him and hope in the quantum realm
@@ejodh0826 Yes. Exactly. There's more drama and emotion to mine with his family desperately trying to save him form the quantum realm than just ending a story about a man who's always been in a spot by arbitrarily killing him off after he finally achieves success by having a complete family. What's the point of that? So we can get cool edgelord ''it's midnight dark'' points? Killing him off is just lazy writing. It can be done but not the way this movie was done. This should not have been a Kang focused movie.
It should have been escape adventure exploration movie of the quantum realm and its people and dangers. They should brought in Kang towards the end as they were about to escape, he tricks them and escapes, leaving either Scott behind or all of them. That way. they would have kept his menace going. He does not need this whole movie to show us who he is - we kinda know already with Loki. It does not change his status quo in the MCU before or after the movie. They meet at the end, he tricks/fights them and escapes and now we have cliffhanger about Kang in the real world. Much better.
Seeing Kang's "you have no idea what I've lost" line after luthen's monologue in Andor really put the writing in perspective for me.
Facts legendary line indeed
Jeremy's impression of Owen Wilson was absolutely perfect omg
Those Austin Powers’ cuts were cinematic Jeremy, well played.
I loved how they made Kang look up until the whole thing with the ants taking him away…
Like this is the variant that conquered timelines and wiped them out by himself…
Lazy Hollywood writing right there
Right? Feels convenient as always that it’s this guy who wiped out multiple teams of avengers by himself… but nah this time they got ants!… and the wasp with a wrist gun I guess that’s enough… just… highly convenient lol
It’d have been wild if right when Janet says “Its over” to Kang he just says “ you think that matters? I just wanted to see how hard he would try.” He just makes a gesture and Scott is just back in the prison cell with Cassie. He just looks at him and has him realize that this isn’t some joke he’s the conqueror. Once Scott gave him back the orb Kang had full control of his machine. He just brings Scott back to the moment of the deal and gives Scott exactly what he wants. He leaves them in the cells leading to the end of the movie. They could have them not die by just being imprisoned until dynasty and it could show how devastating letting him out really was. End credit scene is just him going to that arena to slaughter all those goofy looking Kangs.
You wrote a better movie than they did.
They should probably hire you.
Yess slaughter all the goofy looking ass Kangs lmao, people are busy bending over backwards to defend this movie but god damn they wasted Kang the same way they did Gorr, except now with the cop out he can come back as different Kangs.. But they developed this individual one, the same way they developed Thanos and then took away all that by killing him immediately and having them fight a completely different Thanos in endgame. Bruh was this one not THE 'conqueror,' we gotta see a movie of the evil Kang with a lisp? Gee how many jokes can they make about that.
While watching this movie, I kept thinking about how I never felt like there was a real threat to any of the main characters. Which kind of sucked, because I wanted there to be some weight to the proceedings. In that fight at the end, I was actually getting a glimmer of fear, thinking that Scott might sacrifice his life to save everyone else, that he and Kang might both die. Then, when that didn't happen, I thought the consequences for Hope and Scott would be that they would be trapped in the Quantum realm, and I was pretty happy to have that as the ending. But they wouldn't even go that far. Cassie somehow just BOOM reopens the portal, and everyone gets to go home. So even though I had a good time with it, I was underwhelmed at the end.
At this point you must like the pain because this has been their formula for a decade. Endgame was the only break. Even Infinity War’s loss, Loki, was retconned.
No stakes
@@disguisedcentennial835 But at least it's retconned with a different variant of Loki much like the variant of Gamora. But you can't say Kang is centuries ahead in tech and beaten by Antman tech from the 21st century, it's ridiculous. Thanos may have been powerful but he's from the present.
It's like suggesting English longbowmen would take down a modern-day tank or be effective against nuclear missiles. They're so outclassed it's not even a battle.
very marvel. or should i say, very disney. the whole "fake-out death" thing where the audience is clearly led into thinking a character will die or has died, only to survive against all odds and logic, is endemic to the mcu but you can also see it in the rise of skywalker. the amount of times you THINK a character has been killed off only to be fine a scene later... the writers want the shock of a moment like that, but not the actual consequences of it, and it just strips out all the stakes from a movie. and the lack of stakes has gotten worse after the introduction of the multiverse, where you can just replace one character with an alternate version - or so marvel seems to think. like jeremy noted, we as an audience dont KNOW these alternate versions, were not invested, and so we dont actually care about them. i think this massive lack of stakes is killing investment in the audience and is (part of) why marvel and star wars movies have both fallen so far in the eyes of fans.
@@disguisedcentennial835 I see you're new to comicbook stories, because the concept of death doesn't really exist for superheroes. They always come back, pretty sure no superhero has ever stayed dead before.
Captain America, Peter Parker, Deadpool, Wolverine, Hawkeye, Dr Strange, Scott Lang/Antman, Thor, The Human Torch, Kang, Thanos, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Loki, Galactus. Pretty much every Marvel character ever has died and been brought back. Whether it's through resurrection, reincarnation, time travel, the Multiverse, or a timeline reset like from Secret Wars. Characters dying and coming back to life or being replaced by variants is a concept you just have to get used to when it comes to this genre
The MCU has quickly become the Hallmark Channel of big budget filmmaking.
Wow
Except people who watch Hallmark movies go in expect oodles of Velveeta comfort food mac & cheese when they watch it. MCU has devolved into the product we're currently receiving.
Hallmark is giving it's audience what it expect when they invest 90-120 minutes of their life. People are going into Marvel movies knowing the should be getting filet mignon and being served chopped steak.
@@jameydunne3920 Filet mignon? MCU hasn't been that since the MCU spiderman trilogy ended. Nobody should be expecting that now lol
Ya'll really haven't come to terms w/the fact that MOST Marvel movies have been mediocre AF, have you? 🤷🏻♀️🫤 lol Most of them aren't grounded or sophisticated films. You get excited about 'em, see them once or even a few times... but then never talk about them again. Most of the sequels movies in the franchise were duds. Who cares about IronMan 2 or 3? Or Thor 2 for example? And a lot of them ya'll only went to for the end credit scene, so you could get a glimpse for what was coming next. Out of 25 f*ckin movies... I'd say maybe 4 or 5 of them were actual quality. The Eternals was dogsh*t. Dr Strange 2 was awful. I mean, they aren't even trying anymore... cuz they know they're gonna get your coin regardless. Ya'll will eat up anything colorful & cringe, but it doesn't mean it's GOOD. I don't know what else to tell ya.
@@KabbalahSherry A lot of us real Marvel fans enjoyed Iron man 1 & 2. Just because you people don't know how to sit down and have fun with something but instead have to sit there and be negative and look for the bad in things doesn't make them "Mediocre as fuck" it just means they are not for you, its simple. You are NOT the target audience, go read a Marvel comic and come back.
The most feared Kang. who all the other kangs was afraid of and couldn’t beat so they had to banish him.. also who destroyed universes and beat endless Avengers team got beat by Antman, Wasp, his daughter, and bunch of ants… 😂😂😂 This is not how you introduce your biggest threat since thanos.. sometimes the villain should win!
The Kylo Ren syndrome.
marvel contradicts themself when they have every character fear him and say he is this big bad only for him to lose that way lol it was a joke
what makes it worse is they literally had thanos win in infinity war, they let the villian win for once , they did the thing with the guy who’s supposed to be less scary than kang and they couldn’t be bothered to replicate it again. it’s like they’re actively trying to ruin their films
I was on the floor laghing at that Owen Wilson impersonation. Well done good sir!
I think they originally had Scott die or at the very least get stuck in the quantum realm. Then they got cold feet and did reshoots.
They needed him to do some more shows on the Disney Cruise
Or the reshoots were for pop up shots at the beginning of the movie and you go into these things expecting way too much, especially out of an Ant-Man film. Go in there expecting to have fun, not expecting to see the entirety Endgame level of writing, when its not even an Avengers film?
leave it to marvel to never have stakes in there movies lmao except spider-man which wasn’t even completely marvel
@@chrishernandez5965 never have any stakes ?Like the very last movie WF ?Spiderman is marvel ?WTF ?GTFO !
Supposedly the movie was much darker and the reshoots included more jokes
Personally instead of Scott I thought Hank would be the one to make the sacrifice. Hank has been grieving over not being able to save his wife it would be the end to his arc sacrificing himself for Hope, Janet and finally acknowledging Scott as his equal.
Why aren't you in the writers room?
Great point about Mordo… that was a bummer, and really took the punch out of the most compelling character from the first film (alternate versions apparently saw him beheaded by Wanda at the start, so, they were wasting him regardless).
It’s also like Jerome in Gotham, where Cameron did such a great job as a young Joker, but he couldn’t actually be the Joker, and ended up playing a copycat of a copycat of himself.
This Kang meant business, and was developed in such a way that, even with an identical “clone”, it’s not gonna work the same, because we saw this guy lose in his first appearance and it becomes less about his character, and more about the gimmick of variants and copies. It’s nowhere near as effective. Similarly to how Thanos 2014 from Endgame differed from Infinity War Thanos, but at least that’s the same guy, just different ages/points in time.
As for Scott, they couldn’t really trap him in the quantum realm for a third time, but killing him takes away his ability to warn everyone about Kang’s threat, just like Bruce did for Thanos. It’s gonna be a tricky balance to pull off, but if they do it right, and let Majors shine, Kang could be really special in a larger film. Especially if this version (possibly Kang Prime) uses the council’s belief of his death to his advantage, comes back from it, and kills them all again. Maybe even becomes “He Who Remains…”
@OffTankGaming What I hope as far as Kang’s motivation goes (SPOILERS From Breaking Bad and Quantamnia):
||I hope Kang constantly reiterating that he is “trying to save the multiverse and control time” is Heisenberg’s “I’m doing this for my family” and deep down Kang admits to himself he was bored and loves to conquer for the sake of it and is inherently evil just like how Heisenberg admitted he did everything for himself, it will tie Kang’s motivation from comics really well and considering Kang’s messed with time at first and the reason time sucks, quantamania set up Kang motivation to be pretty dynamic and have a lot of potential and different from Thanos. I don’t need another “complex villain that is trying to save the world and is relatable and a anti hero” only for that villain to lose and their ideology isn’t explored enough in depth ||
people are beggining to realize that time travel and multiverse shit are not good for consistent storytelling
Possibly the most trustworthy reviewer on the interwebs. Cheers, Jeremy.
No major characters dying was such a let down for me. I wanted that "Oh crap, we're actually screwed" feeling similar to the end of Infinity War (I know they're not on the same scale obviously). So this movie's happy ending felt a little out of place for me, I wanted it to feel a lot more uncertain than it did. I'm excited for more Kang though, I was rooting for him the entire movie 😂
Yeah, can you imagine if Scott, Hope, and Hank had all died, Kang had escaped, and all that was left was Cassie to become Stinger and Janet needing to train her to lead the world against the threat she's now getting too old to face herself?
You do realise the infinity war ending, was for an AVENGERS MOVIE. AND IT WAS LITERALLY THE END OF THE STORY ARC they were telling? this is barely just beginning for Kang Dynasty/Secret wars. yall want every movie coming out to be IW/End game level of pay off, you're actually too spoilt. no patience, we waited 12 years for a massive pay off and you cant even wait 4-5 years without whining like babies
@@kieranwatt1937 that’s why I said I know they’re not on the same scale. I was referring to the general feeling of uneasiness I felt at the end of infinity war, I wanted that here
@@ramdymarte you're not going to get it, cause this is an ant man movie. not sure why you expected that in this type of movie? what did you have this expectation on guardians 1 when we saw thanos for like 30 seconds sitting in his floating chair? i bet you didn't - cause in that movie too, all he done was sit and make threats but didn't kill anyone.
@@kieranwatt1937 I definitely think I coulda got a similar feeling even if it’s just an Antman movie. I know it’s just an introduction to Kang but if they made him win or at least take out some major characters it woulda proved his power and threat that much more.
My biggest question about this film is that they literally never address Janet’s quantum powers from the previous movie. Like, wouldn’t that have been useful in the quantum realm? How did she get them???? Where did they go????????
Where did they come from, Quantum-Eyed Joe?
@@spentlizard353 bravo👏
@@spentlizard353 😂😂😂
Omg yuss! Wow there really are some frealin holes in the movie. I watched the whole thing the other night and forgot Janet had quantum powers. Also how is she the same age as Hank Pym if time works differently down there? Shouldnt she just be around the same age she was when she shrunk?
@@KajiKintsugi also they make such a big deal about staying away from the quantum realm yet in AntMan 2 at the end they were sending him down there to get shit lol
I really agree with your point about Kang dying in this film. When that happened I was like "oh... So this movie is nearly pointless then"?
Did you not see the post credit scene? There's three other Kangs that are clearly going to be more of a threat. You have to remember that the Kang that Scott killed was actually going to fight AGAINST those kangs. Scott literally killed the only hope outside of the avengers.
@@EclipseMints08 I thought about that too. All other Kangs are mad now because they killed the exiled one. Why was he exiled? Because all those Kangs sure looked villainous.
Jeremy has just put voice to every thought I came out of the cinema with. I also expected Scott to die at the end and agree that would have been fitting. What also dissapointed me was that the trailer suggests Scott is offered time by Kang in exchange for helping him escape. I thought he would choose to side with Kang due to how much he missed of Cassie's life. In reality he has no choice but to help Kang, which was a shame because it would have been interesting to see what Scott would do faced with such a choice.
The visual language from Star Wars was very effective at establishing Kang as a threat. Specifically, the force choking with his telekinetic gauntlets felt very Vadar to me.
that owen wilson impression was absolute perfection 😂
*The man, the myth, the legend…Jeremy Jahns. You’ve came a long way man. Appreciate the years of reviews. The #1 movie/tv series reviewer in America* 💯
Are you up Jeremy's ass or did you rent a room near a cheek?
Haha thanks man it takes me a lot of work to make these
His rant about the Mass Effect 3 ending was my introduction to him.
@snooziblu6106 and who are you suppose to be?
Jeremy is the only film critic i watch. We mostly have the same taste, but more importantly, i know he's being honest and not a sellout or shill like many others.
THANK YOU! Ah, I am so glad to hear I am not the only one that thought Scott needed to die to save this film 😂
That Loki post credit scene was better than the movie
7:36 , I know we're all talking about Jonathan Majors as Kang, but I would say this Owen Wilson impression here is on par with anything else ever
Regardless of what people think about this movie, the constant thing they will be praising about is Jonathan Majors' performance as Kang!
Why is he called the conqueror if he’s gonna lose by the good guys anyways.
Except for that goofy post credit scene
@@1kbmahan dude was beaten by ant man........🤷🏻♂️
And now the writer of Quantimania is now writing The Kang Dynasty. Once the movie comes out, Majors will get a lot of praise more than the story
@@bmagada the logic in this universe if ant man can beat Kang I don’t see the “threat” becoming a threat in future movies. It’s just goofy. MCU version will not have audiences treat him as a serious villain.
Imagine that movie with the seriousness of winter soldier it would have been incredible
I really expected Cassie or even Janet to get killed a bunch of times, hey Kang let them live when he had MANY chances to just kill them off. But nope... can't have anyone but the villain "die"
weak ass villain to. he’s very underwhelming as a big bad when he talked about conquering worlds and beating other avengers only to lose to ants. i don’t want to hear the variant excuse bs either i thought yellow jacket in the first movie is better then the villain here lol
@@chrishernandez5965 The biggest thing is show don't tell. Thanos showed. Kang told.
Just left a screening and I cannot help but wonder why this film ended the way it did. Scott and Hope actually beat Kang and escape?! The stakes felt so high, I thought it was going to be a really powerful sacrifice that even if they didn’t die they were going to be stuck in the quantum realm until Cassie or Shang Chi or Captain Marvel or whoever comes to rescue them. This decision has really damaged the potential future stakes for Kang Dynasty now, we’ve already seen Kang lose to Antman and Wasp. I really expected to come out with an Infinity War esque feeling after watching Kang actually succeed and the mid/post credit scenes did not do enough heavy lifting on that
Quantumania should have ended with Scott dying in a crater after Kang's last attack and Kang escaping. Showing that in this new phase, the everyman and comedian is dead. Could have marked a serious shift in the MCU storytelling.
They don't care about the story anymore. Ambition died with Downy Jr's Ironman and Endgame.
I agree that I was rooting for kang. I loved the family and the first 20 minutes with them. I really wanted our loveable atman to feel like he’s the reason kang comes to his reality. Forced to choose his family over being a hero
At the very least I was hoping Hope and Scott was trapped in the quantum realm. But nope, somehow Cassie figured to buff her quantum radio into a portal.
Cassie's superkid being set up for a tv series, no doubt.
@@rafetizer And then it’ll be Woke AF.
Girl power!
@@thatperformer3879 she is gonna be the next she antman.. you know mcu is gonna be woke next.
@@kdreamscosmos4279 Ant Woman or ANT person 🫠🫠🫠
Your take on the MCU was spot on to how i feel. I’ve wanted so badly for it to evoke those feelings of a real journey with these characters and i always hope for the best with em, but honestly after watching your reviews on em I’ve just been waiting for em to hit Disney+. When I do get around to watching I mostly just watch for a few specific things i heard were cool, I’m not invested anymore. No boohoos or anything but it is annoying bc i loved this whole series so much throughout grade school. Appreciate your content Jeremy been watching your vids since i was 13, now 24.
Watching this movie on an IMAX screen was at moments jaw-dropping. A beautifully realised world thanks to the hundreds of SFX people involved across various companies. Can't really fault the visuals. Can't fault the actors, either. The villain, as all good villains should, chewed up the scenery! The plot was, up to a point, good. I've had a few hours to mull over what I've seen and I'll see it again, but on a smaller screen next time.
Any gripe I have with Quantumania really plays into a general gripe I've had with Marvel/Disney for some time: they employ some of the best directors, best actors, best screenwriters (except when they don't!) and then squeeze them under the corporate thumb, thus limiting or diminishing the final product. At the end of the day, it feels like they're frightened of losing the toy franchise or games franchise, so opt to play it safe. So we end up with happy endings where we should have had a Shakespearean tragedy or at least, near tragedy. Because, if we don't feel for the characters by the end of the drama, then what was the point? All literature, theatre, great cinema knows this. The hero might survive, but not unscathed and usually forever changed. Infinity War and Endgame succeeded in this, as did Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Civil War and Dr Strange: Multiverse. There were consequences.
There were several possible endings that went through my mind while I was watching the film. They were:
1: The portal closes. Kang kills Scott or thinks he's dead so leaves him to die.
2: Hope returns, rescues Scott but the portal closes and they're trapped in the Quantum Realm.
3: They all return safely, but Scott's happy thoughts as he's collecting the cake for Cassie, turn dark as they do, and actually come to pass as Kang suddenly appears.
4: At the dinner, Scott's uneasiness becomes reality as the scene dissipates and he finds that in fact he has never left the Quantum Realm and Kang has been manipulating him since bludgeoning him to defeat earlier, and has indeed placed him in a repeating time loop.
5: Henry (Hank) is killed by Kang as he strides openly into view surrounded by his army of mutated ants.
6: Janet is killed moments before Scott breaks through the force field barrier.
7: Kang coldly kills Cassie, leaving Scott traumatised and shattered.
None of the above happened. Even close. We got what we got. The Disney happy ending. At that point, I wouldn't have been surprised if they all broke into a song! To be fair, it's the Hollywood ending - leave 'em smiling! aka the Cop Out.
Agreed on all counts except the visuals. Absolute crap.
the 4th possible ending of yours is mind blowing
@@bikramarora1819 To be honest, I've given up trying to understand viewers' expectations of cg imagery. I've seen some truly stunning stuff on a number of games - Assassin's Creed, and God of War for instance - that does exceed what I've seen in movies. But so long as the cgi allows me to enter the world of the film comfortably, I'm happy to let my imagination do the rest. I don't need photorealism. It only annoys me if it's jarringly inept and uncoordinated.
@@rexharrison6827 This is a $200 million movie. Have some standards man. There’s far more talented people making movies on far lesser budgets that look infinitely better than these movies look. We literally just got served the visual equivalent of Filet Mignon with Avatar 2. How could you accept going back to having Big Macs shoved down your throat? I’m not saying all movies have to look like the Avatar franchise because that’s literally the highest bar to clear, but these movies don’t even look better than other films in their own genre.
It’s not the VFX teams fault btw. They’re trying their best, but the deadlines are too harsh. It’s all Disney’s fault.
Jeez Louise, I wish they didn’t rewrite the ending either but what you’re describing is grim and edgy 90s affair. This is Ant-Man 3, not Zack Snyder.
I was so enthralled by the MCU. It was my absolute jam. Not only that not the case anymore, it’s the exact opposite. I’m actually so very disinterested.
I don’t even bother to pay to see them anymore. I wait for free on Disney +.
Couldn’t agree more. I want more consequence in the MCU
There are plenty of them !Pay more attention !
@@fahimalfaisal7781 Found the mediocre movie enjoyer.
@@fahimalfaisal7781 No there aren't lol. Otherwise we'd be feeling a lot more tension and seeing more good guy character deaths.
excellently put together Jeremy ! I remember getting pumped up with thrill when Scott was going towards the energy core to do his mission ; then he landed and for some reason MODOK is on voice call making jokes and whole thing about what his name is , it just reduces the tension . Sure some of these running gags are fine in a less serious movie , but when you are setting up a villian like Kang and with Scotts motivation being solely to protect his daughter , One would expect a darker movie . Just why was MODOK tryna prove he isnt a dick ? like in Ant Man 1 , Darren was just evil and his brain was twisted , he should be angrier here, and perhaps not worship Kang in the beginning , making his turn towards the end better . Overall mid MCU movie , decent , but all the characters, apart from Kang and the Ant family , were just meh
MODOK
I can’t get over how Kang lost to Ants, he was menacing and almost the only highlight of the whole movie, then he lost to ants 😂😢
But he didn’t lose though he definitely escaped and came back to kick antman ass
@@RioAntonio1 that might become true, but in this movie, his downfall was the ants
@@RioAntonio1 lmao he got his ass kicked by ants then came back to lose to antman smfh where is this big bad villain bc now going forward kang will look weak asf and when he shows up just call antman... lets not forget this was just a disney plus show leading to another disney plus show and the post end credits was more like a SNL skit
He had gotten overran by a highly technologically advanced civilization of ants then came back to lose to an ant with not much tech at all. I do believe we’ll see this Kang again. It was too easy. Then the obvious monologue that Scott has at the end. Kang possibly could’ve known what was going to happen and simply let it happen. Foreseeing that he would be hurt, that’s a given, but that he’d also survive. Thus, faking his own death, fooling his counterparts and being able to do what he needs to do while also being virtually undetected.
Derek Zoolander would be proud!
Kang was the highlight in this movie, I think what made him even more menacing was how calm he was about what he has done like it's just his way of life, every scene he was in I was captivated, and yes I agree ad much as I love Scott, I was secretly hoping he would die so Kang can really cement his villian arc
I ain’t gonna lie, Majors was good in the movie but, Kang was kinda underwhelming. He’s killed Thor & other Avengers before and couldn’t beat Antman here? He vaporizes people but he can’t vaporize our main characters when he shoots them? I was kinda thinking he’d take out… Hank (That’s his name right?) towards the end when the ants were closing in on him. Also, yeah I was hoping he’d take Antman out at the end or that Antman took himself out so Kang couldn’t escape like you mentioned in this video.
I always hated that as a kid.. watching people fire laser beams that just push people really far.. but vaporise others
This is honestly the most down-to-earth discussion of this film I've seen so far.
How the absolute FUCK does Kang... kill THOUSANDS of Avengers, destroy literal UNIVERSES and timelines... yet struggle to beat a big Scott Lang.
Ok im gonna say it you're a National Treasure my man 10 years and more and You have been killing it & didn’t lose the touch. Been watching since 2017-2018 and i always loved the format of your review then you grew on me and i cant imagine the day you won't review the next big movie. Absloute National Treasure my friend.
This movie killed any respect or fear I should have for Kang as a villain for the entire avengers. In Loki it was like “oh I’ll be easy to kill but wait til you see my variants” well they killed him pretty easily too with some ants and a couple blasters, so why should I care how many Kangs there are
agreed. Marvel keeps having every character fear him or say he’s evil but in his only appearance he got bested by ants and not even the strongest avenger ?? what a joke this movie was lol
Kang - killing avengers for thousands of years. Kang in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania - can't f*cking kill Ant-Man, Wasp, teenager or some 2 old farts.
You think this is quite dissapointing? Wait till you found out that Marvel has assigned the writer of Quantimania to write The Kang Dynasty and the writer of Multiverse of Madness to write Secret Wars. Oh dear, massive red flag 💀
I don’t have much hope for the Multiverse Saga.
The only thing Im looking forward to is Guardians 3. Gunn hasn't let us down so far so here's hoping. This movie was just mid, not bad, not great just eh.
@@ninjakiwi2476 And now the writer of Quantimania is writing The Kang Dynasty which is the last two movies in this new saga that's supposed to be great, not mid
@@ninjakiwi2476 Ok
movie was disappointing. a bunch of forced jokes and a plot that makes the big bad look like a whole joke in itself. especially talking about defeating avengers and taking over worlds just to lose to ants lmao marvel wants us to believe he’s super evil and intimidating but won’t have him even win in his first appearance.
One of your best reviews in a while. Was a dumpster fire of a movie imo, but whether it's good or bad thanks for always keeping it real! I really dig when you go into rants since you can tell how passionate you are about it. Reason why I'll always come back to your channel.
Totally agree with you about wanting the same Kang. I feel this way about Loki. They killed off "my" Loki, who grew as a character across multiple films. Now they want me to be excited and happy he's "back" but that's not MY Loki. This is a new character. Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense yet for me personally I’m glad that they didn’t bring back our Loki. His death would lose its weight in infinity war. That’s why I could watch the series and not be annoyed. I’m also one that’s glad No Way Home let Aunt May die to add stakes to Spider-Man again.
A new character that's not even strong, smart or resourceful
Loki the nurtured
@@ninjanibba4259 uhh, I have to disagree. He was so much better than the old Loki, but im not dismantling any Lokis!
@@ninjanibba4259 but he is though
@@itsyogurt9247 he's really not
Everything Jeremy said about Kang and his variants pretty much sums up why his comic book counterpart is too problematic.
There was a group of girls in my theater that laughed every time MODOK was on screen, that’s about all you need to know about him. Then they laughed at Kang, then there’s that
Loved the Austin Powers clip lol! Always love your takes Jeremy! Huge fan for a long time!
After Endgame I don't mind getting the MCU movie spoiled since I'm not as excited for them anymore
Same
the thing with your fears about Kang is that having a crap ton of him throughout the multiverse is his whole thing. IN an ironic sense he is like an extremely powerful ant, separately they can be taken down but together they are an unstoppable FORCE. that guy in the second end credit isn't this Kang, you will probably not see this Kang ever again, because he was basically the equivalent of a chitari soldier
But then there is an infinite multiverse of every Avengers, too.
Nah I think that kang is THE main the conqueror and will return. But I see what you mean.
That seems lame
@@aimanmarzuqi4804 there are key Kangs like immortus, Rama tut, scarlet centurion, victor timely, Mr. Gryphon, etc who will most likely be large recurring threats but the ones that simply go by Kang are often dealt with in an arc.
I wanted Scott to die because how impactful of a villain Kang would’ve been if we lost an avenger to the WEAKEST kang
That Owen Wilson imitation killed me 🤣😭💀
They should’ve made MODOK the villain of this movie, while prepping people for Kang. Then show Kang at the end of the movie, but don’t kill him off like he’s nothing. That would’ve been way better to set up Kang and make him the true villain he really is.
Literally got out the theatre 30 minutes ago. Immediately checked for your spoiler review and it wasn’t there. This just made my night.
I knew I connected with Jeremy on a sick level. I can say that I have felt the same about characters that should die when their light has basically shined the brightest.
One example I have and will never be discouraged on is Mako from Legend of Korra. In the final season there is a scene was totally built up to be like a death scene and it would have been the most badass way to go for his character after the writers had no more vigor to write him a good arc. It would have been so good to let him go out heroically instead of keeping him on like a useless punching bag.
That is how I fell about a lot of heroes that writers have no more passion about or don't know what to write about. Let them go quietly into retirement or in a flash of glory.
There was a leak a few months ago that had the movie ending with Kang escaping the QR, trapping Scott and Hope in it as he does. These leaks were mostly ignored until the first trailer came out and several things in the trailer were described in the leaks.
So, apparently, they did some reshoots and changed the ending.
whoever dissaproved needs to be fired legitimately, ive never seen writers have their fingers on the pulse less than modern marvel writers.
Where's your source? Because they schedule reshoots for all of their films.
@@moviereedviews the leaks themselves were posted on Reddit and Twitter. I don’t know where the posters got the leaks from. But, as I said, the leaks contained described things that were shown in the trailer.
@@doomy_mcdoomerson I must say those same leaks had modoks death scene word for word, so it must have been a reshoot for the third act final battle
I wish they'd stop doing test screenings and just go by the finalized script, especially for endings. Test screenings sometimes result in reshoots, which could ultimately hurt the movie. I understand reshoots for a scene that came from the finalized script, but changing an entire plot point sucks.
The way the ending was setup was looking like Scott would stay behind to prevent kang from leaving the QR…even if they got out. I thought if kang had let everyone step out, he could just get the core (that they left behind after opening the portal back home) that’s fully intact and restored and just get out later.
I feel like MCU Stans are gonna be especially defensive about this movie because of the RT score. But in reality, none of the critics I'm seeing are really hating it. It just seems to be underwhelming for the majority of them, and the low score is representative of that aggregate..
MCU need here. I didn't like it. Most MCU fans like 90% of the MCU because 90% of it is st the very least pretty good. Lately, the MCU has taken a nose dive and I can't see anyone actually defending this.
I feel even to this day there’s so many people that still don’t understand how the score on RT works.
@@lex_rodriguezI’m a fan as well and didn’t like it either. It wasn’t horrible it was just mediocre imo. That’s how most mcu related stuff has felt to me since endgame, I think maybe I’m just burnt out on it idk it’s almost like the mcu had too much success and it’s kinda starting to cause it’s downfall. It was already a lot to have 2-3 movies per year but now we have that plus like 3 or 4 different Disney plus shows per year and it’s just too much. There’s so many characters now and they’re all spread out all over the place I have no idea how they are gonna make these next 2 avengers movies work. Who knows what the roster of heroes will even be. It’s really a shame we won’t have characters like iron man and cap around for secret wars
@@jeremyroberts8822 after GOTG 3, I’m done with the MCU until deapdool 3 releases. I agree with your sentiment.
They've been doing that.. It's embarrassing how they gaslight other fans for not liking stuff they way they do.
That post credit scene was goofy😂. Like spy kids level of silliness or doctor who.
LITERALLY! The scene from Spy Kids 3-D with all the goofy Stallones, that’s what this mid credit scene felt like
The "scientist" Kang in the Loki scene is Victor Timely which is supposed to be Kang Prime. The one who started it all.
Ur Owen Wilson was SPOT ON! Can we talk about that perfect impression more?! Maaaan!