Mixing With EZdrummer: Exporting Individual Drum Tracks
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2021
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I LOVE mixing with EZdrummer.
I use it for pre-production, tracking (with V-drums)..
And often use it in the final mix.
The only downside to EZdrummer is that the amount of control you have over individual drum sounds is extremely limited.
You can only adjust the overall balance and panning of your drums within the EZdrummer mixer.
Luckily you can have full control over your individual EZdrummer drum tracks if you know how to export them properly.
It takes a little bit of user tweaking, but it's extremely simple once you fully understand how EZdrummer's outputs work.
In this video, I share exactly how you can export your EZdrummer tracks so that you can mix them.....like an ACTUAL drum kit.
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YES!!! Couldn’t have released this video at a better time this is exactly what I’m doing at the moment. Thank you!
Would like to see the next step, adding EQ/Comp/etc to each track
It would depend on the sample.
Comp is for dynamics that are too wide. I would assume stock samples are already eq'd and compressed otherwise people would complain that they're hard to work with.
Eq is for specific sound management.
Tight Q eq is for surgery, getting rid of offensive frequencies and wide q eq is for altering the overall color of your sound.
You don't need to learn how to specifically mix ezdrums, just understand what the tools you have are for. Know what you want, and understand how to apply those tools to achieve your desired sound.
@@jessjohnreed7964 if I leave my vst drum tracks unprocessed, they never compete against the other instruments. they just sound thin (using steven slate drums 5). I do not tweak the drums like real drums, but I definitely put some compression on and some slight EQ moves on the snare and the kick. But yeah, depends on how you want it to sound.
The default tempesta snare is one of the best sounding snares of all of the Toontrack libraries.
Killer info!!! Thank you so much bro! I've been playing guitar forever and a day but I am new to studio one and EZ drummer 2. This stuff is beyond amazing!! Really appreciate videos like yours as I am looking to become a creator myself. Thank you again!!!
Joe
Wow I’ve been looking for a video explaining EZDrummer routing for a while! Kudos 🤘
Great video! I love they way your teach. Super clear and to the point. Annnnd you give the reason why you it this way.
Audio tracks will come in handy when I record tracks at home to send to the guitarist for mixing later.
Never thought about this routing. Thank you so much for this tip!!
Awesome tip for EZdrummer users! I came up with an alternate solution instead of routing using Reaper, that is using the "Render selected area of tracks to stem track" function. That way you just need to "solo" the drum tracks one by one and render them to mono or stereo as required.
This is how I figured out how to do it, too. A little labor intensive, but it works!
The way I'd go about doing it, too.
Very informative, thank you!
excelent video... this will be my GO TO process now!
So damn helpful! I couldn't find this tip anywhere for years! Thank you!!
Thanks so much for the tip on stereo outputs of easy drummer an setting tracks up for mono preparation
just bounced them out from EZ 3 - midi to audio now have the audio files on the grid way cool - thanks for the inspiration
I’ve found this is now the best way to go and have been doing things like this for a while. I find if I don’t I get too tempted to change this drum or this cymbal out, instead of just working with what I’ve got as I would with a live production
THANKS SO MUCH FOR EXPLAINING THIS...I had this question and walaa you nailed it.. thanks for sharing the knowledge. you rock
i don't know how i managed to not discover you earlier... great videos, thanks a lot :)
Now this is content I can learn from! Thanks for the help dude
Damn, This is What I been Looking For. Thanks
Great video! Thank you for the awesome information. This is super helpful!
Wonderful video Bobby! Thank you
Love using EZDrummer 2 for productions. Saw a quick overview of how you mix the stems in another video but, would enjoy seeing a more in depth approach on what you consider too much EQ and Compression on EZ Drummer tracks.
Great video! thanks for the info!
Yes absolutely that's exactly what I'm trying to do! Great video!
i be happy if ezdrummer would ever show up in a daw
You’re a life saver, exactly what I needed
Wow! I have often seen this but I´ve never been sure about if this gives me any benefit in production except of saving CPU usage, although I printed down my guitar and bass track for a long time since I watched your video about it. But man, it instantly gives me so much more control over the gain of the single tracks, especially the room and the overheads! Plus the constant peaking on the snare track is gone! I had to lower the output volume inside the drum vst all the time before. Great man!
So helpful! Thank you.
thanks for the information great video i always render the ezdrummer tracks is a great way to work that way you can see the wave form like real drums thanks
I've been using ez drummer for years. Metal Machine is my favorite expansion for sure. The Ludwig Supraphonic is sampled incredibly well. Never thought to print the tracks though. Might have to give it a try. Thanks Bobby!
I've never committed my midi drum tracks to audio before. I'm going to start doing that from now on. Thanks!
Hi Bobby!! Amazing, tutorial, thanks a million! I’ve been doing very similar as you taught, but I have one question, if you have time to answer: I always find the Amb channel, which is a stereo one, with a lot of kick bleeding (more than I wanted). And apparently there isn’t option to tweak and reduce it in EZD. It somehow doesn’t sound good, because my kick is solid in the center and the stereo kick bleed of the Amb channel bounces too much on the sides. I can’t lower the volume, because It would lack a lot of the amazing snare character this channel provides. So I eq it to the bones to reduce the frequencies below 100hz and use Ozone Imager to narrow those same 100hz and below. This is how I try to fix it, but still, there’s a lot of the kick click left on the sides. I wonder if you already had the same problem and how you worked it around. Thank you very much!!!
I usually route to audio tracks rather than an aux track and just hit record and play the song through. If what you're showing me here, by routing to an aux and then simply "committing" them, you may have saved me 3-6 minutes (depending on the length of the track). Kudos!
Thanks for this video which is helping me step by step to reach the sound I'm looking for... I wonder, since I'm also using EZBass : should I print those parts as well ?
I primarily use Audition which has no midi support so I use guitar pro to write the MIDI drum track. Put it in the stand alone ezdrummer program and export each individual part as audio by going to the mixer and soloing each track and exporting as audio. It sounds convoluted but I've been doing it that way for so many years it feels natural for me.
Awesome video 🙏 🙏
this is super helpful, I've been wondering how to do this in the past, i would split the midi files into their own tracks but it was kind of a pain in the ass this is def a better approach! i will have to watch this video 4000 times until i completely get it Thanx Bobby! another great video
I don't use EZ Drummer but I use the Slate SSD5 and the producer kits in Logic that have the auxes already set up. Same basic concept. Great video.
THis is brilliant! I'm so doing this on my current project! Thanks!!
Glad you found it helpful, John!
Trying to figure out how to do this on Mixcraft 9 Professional Studio...
I have everything routed to individual "sub-tracks," and panned how i want them, but I can't seem to find how to print or render them to audio.
Great info !
Quick question for any one who might know. If i seperate the tracks to my DAW like this, when i render it to audio, will it give me then the individual audio tracks?
Hi! Firstly, thanks for all the great content!! Secondly, the Metal Machine original mix preset sounds far better here than out of the box. Particularly the snare. What tweaks did you make internally, and did you do any processing externally on the demo that falls around the 1:30 mark? If so, what? Thirdly, if the demo here is not processed externally, could you share your modified original mix preset? Thanks, and keep up the great work!!!
oh shit been waiting for this one!!! edit: well, I already knew how to do all of that (but just learned recently) ... but I haven't been printing (had no idea that it varied like that). That's cool!
I'm curious as to how you actually go about applying eq, comp, & verb to these virtual kits... ESPECIALLY compression (since it already has a compression track itself, but I don't really find that it is enough most of the time). Do you tend to hit each drum track with its own compression, hit it in a bus all at once, or both? EQ makes sense to do it on a per drum basis, but compression, I just don't know. I've tried both and am not sure what I like better.
As usual, thanks for your wisdom, Bobby!
This was amazing! Would LOVE a metal drum mixing tutorial if you can?!!!
Jesus, I've been using EZ drummer for years without realising that they are the weird combination of dual mono. Never realised the hard panning within EZ drummer would be such an easy solution!
I do this with sd 2 or Kvlt drums II, no process, velocity automations and also degrid them. Sounds great.
Nice one i was doing something similar but every drum to stereo then split to mono long way round thanx
Thank you . This is awesome information...
My pleasure, Bruce!
So do you just adjust your drum levels within the plugin before rendering? Also, I don't understand FX busses. How would I set up a reverb bus in Reaper and would the sends be pre-fader?
thanks super useful! greetings from argentina!
That's so cool ! Thanks a lot for it. I'm using Logic pro so i will need to try it next time ill do some "mixing". Can You also tell us how are you mixing EZ drummer, once exported? I mean, would be great to know how are You treatin' the tracks to sound even better than out of the box? Great job, keep it up ! All the best from Ireland :-)
Question, I do the near exact same thing except I don’t pan the drum track in EZ Drummer, I typically leave the kick and snare centered as they are, but I route them out in different channels. Kick channel one, snare channel two. Is this the same thing? Or will panning them hard right or left before routing them out give me a different result?
Great technique!,….I use LUNA, and by rendering, bouncing those dialed-in tracks, I never have to worry about some parameter changing that will affect my final mix. And, if I don’t like the render, I can go back, tweak it in MIDI, and then re-render. Excellent work around. Thank you.
Almost. In fact, I do render soloing each of piece of drums that needed , so I work the "wavs" in the mix. EZdrummer is great, SD is more natural thou. In EZ, I used to choose the minimal processing option (natural mix or something like that), turn any effects off and so on. Your idea of creating a Template is good, I probably will add it to my workflow. Thx
I've done this recently with my first EZD3 experience. When I tried to "bounce to disk" with my individual drum outs assigned in my DAW (Digital Performer), the drums were absent in the mix. That's when I realized that I needed to record the individual tracks to channels. It solved the problem. I need to find the "commit" button in DP. Would save a bit of time. Gonna bookmark this video and keep up with your stuff. Thanks.
Just wondering if there is a difference in panning after you commit to wave. Like in the video you panned a few things and then committed to the wave form. Also my ez drummer has compression. I didn't see that on your version. Wondering if you use that.
Thanks for this! Why do my kits change and pans go back to center every time I press play? And so when I render my kick and snare are still on the same track together.
I don't use EZDrummer, but just curious if hard panning inside EZdrummer jacks up the stereo image of the elements in the OH and Room tracks?
Never committed my tracks. Will definitely try that from now on!
I also use EZDrummer, however, I do it a little different! First I send the drums to their own output like you did, but I then export the EZDrummer stems to a folder and import them into my session at the same time (you can do this quite easily in Studio One). Then I have printed tracks of all the drums rendered in audio, ready to EQ or add FX. Also in Studio One, you can make any of the imported stereo tracks mono by clicking on the stereo/mono button.
Thanks for this, but any idea how to select the L or R channel in Ableton? I can only select the stereo pair.
Nice man ! If I made a list of all the things I wanted you to explain it would be as perfect as the latest videos. Really nice !
I'm unsure about the hard panning you mentioned - such as the kick for example. When I do this from EZ Drummer into logic pro x it just sounds like the kick is coming out of the 1 speaker. Have I missed something ?
Ok I finally found this video I watched a week ago about routing ez through pro tools. So you say you can have like your mono kick and mono snare ran both in output 2 panned one left and one right and then as individual tracks. Even if they are hard panned in ez they still bleed into the opposite tracks. Why not just make them individual outputs? Also I just tried to commit the kick just to try one out. It doesn't work like that. It needs a visual clip.
Gerneral question about ezdrummer that I never completely understood: Ezdrummer is based on having kit presets, which from my understanding should be heavily relying on bus processing, most imporatantely bus compression (It's possible to switch different elements of the kit with other elements, so the drums themselfs should be already processed at the drum level before you switch them). Given that, if I like the sound of a preset that I created, does it make sense to export it? Will it sound the same with multi-out or will I lose all the bus compression and fx that was defined by the preset I started with?
I guess I will have to figure out how to route but thank you for this video, it was def informative!
EZdrummer has separate outputs that you can route to individual tracks in your DAW for mixing.
@@FrightboxRecording yep just found that out yesterday…you still do the aux channels though?
Thank you for so far helping me out a lil bit .wish u were here tho do I could see it 1rst hand.im better that way.
I do export my tracks into auxiliary on Reaper but always in stereo. I wonder how to do it properly in mono as you said. It still seems tricky to me to do it on Reaper. KIller videos and tutorials Bobby!! Keep it up!!
I work with EZDrummer almost the exact same way. Only difference is, I embrace that EZDrummer has already panned the toms for me and keep them on stereo tracks. For snare and kick, yes, always mono.
I was always told that stereo panned you are only shutting down the other, and you look any data from the opposite side? Thanks for the video brother.
Wow thanks dude. Really needed this
Yes! I've also covered my approach to mixing EZ drummer tracks in this video: ua-cam.com/video/I05OGOlWJ4Y/v-deo.html
@@FrightboxRecording Thanks a lot ! Your vids have helped me a lot and gotten me out of weird mixing situations! :)
O M F G.. I've been bouncing them multiple times into stereo tracks, then converting them to mono post.. Had to do it 2 times to get them all .. the panning trick is genius...
Does committing the midi tracks to audio tracks work with Pro Tools 11 because when I right click I don't get the commit option?
When I render/commmit the aux tracks down to audio tracks, the audio tracks are stereo files. Strange considering my aux tracks are mono and are routed as you demonstrate. Any way to overcome this?
What I don't understand is this: When you route the tracks from EZ D to the auxiliary channels you created, is the fader change the same or did you change it later? I use Studio One and when I assign the outputs the faders are at zero, but in your case they are modified. Same thing for audio. when you render/Commit/Bounce are you exporting the already adjusted levels? in that case I should find the audio track faders at zero but with the levels previously adjusted before exporting, but even in this case I see your audio track faders modified and adjusted. This makes a difference to me. the levels of the various channels during export/commit/bounce. Thanx Bob. You are great
Having troubles doing the input routing on the aux tracks in Logic. Following this video, I am stuck at the point of routing the Input to Ez Kick 2 L but in Logic when you go under Input, it is grouping them as Ez3-4, Ez5-6, Ezdr7-8 etc. So I am hearing the Kick on the Left Speaker, but Snare Samp on the Right Speaker. Anyone know how to convert the aux tracks to Mono in Logic or is there no other way?
¡Serious and very important cuestión for you my friend! Mixing the Midi Battery inside of VST (EZDrummer, Superior Drummer. Addictive Drums) or mixing it outside in the DAW's Tracks....
Now a days, taking in count the improvement of modern VST versions (EZDrummer 3 Superior Drummer 3, Addictive Drums 2)
¿Is it necessary separating tracks in the DAW or mix it in the VST itself? Thanks. I appreciate you opinion.
For my taste, Death Metal and Pop Punk, are the best expansion for EZ. However, big congrats..the best channel on youtube 😍
Hey, Bobby. Can you give me a tip on this one, mate, I can't find a workaround and Im stuck. It's about compressing a bass guitar. So, when the bass plays in the lower register, A0 (note) for example , the compressor is working just fine, the bass is sitting perfect in the mix, but when the bass starts to play higher octaves, notes, they sound much, much louder and are all over the mix. It's like BOOM! I tried different compressors - Waves CLA-76, CLA-3A, CLA-2, C1, tried different settings - attack and release time, but the problem still remains. I can address this problem with an EQ to kill harmonics, or velocities changes, but I don't believe this is the solution. What about if you go Live, play on a concert and this problem occures? How do you address this problem, mate? Thanks for the anwers. Maybe you could do a video about good bass compression and address this particular problem? Would be great!
Yup of course on EZD2 you need to export the tracks out if you want to manipulate them further and is 1 of the main reasons I use Superior Drummer 3. Plus the midi learn and midi mapping blows on EZD2 but excellent on SD3. There is not much to do with either of them since they are processed yo begin with as opposed to stuff like Ugritone drums which I hate.
Need to find again, some time ago when I first installed ez drummer 2 trial. When I was going through many of the kits, drums, and other sections in the Library. Upon some miracle fluke I found a stick count in and saved that into a user section. I then installed the paid version. When I went back to find that stick count in again in the libraries, I could not find it again. Tried to communicate this with their techs and they told me it was never in there, I told them that was not true because I had that track saved from their library. Does anyone know if they have ever added a stick count-in in any upgrade or in EZ drummer 3?? It was really neat when I found it, but I have not been back into it for a few years now and somewhere in my files there should be that count-in file. Would like to find it again, with some help or input out there????
Hi !!! I can hear midi drumtracks when I set multiple outputs in EZ mixer. Where is a problem?
Thanks!
Great vid. I’m using AD2 with PT11.3. Question, if I commit drums to audio, would I then be able to use something like S Slate trigger for snare sample layering for example? Also, would you disable all preset processing before commit?
Thx..
Definitely! I do it all the time. I prefer my samples as raw as possible, so I make all of my own drum samples at my studio and load them into Slate Trigger. I then use EZdrummer simply to trigger my own sounds.
@@FrightboxRecording Cool thx. I’ll give it a shot. I know with AD2 you can’t separate the top and bottom mics on snare, or in/out mics on kick. But with some good samples I think it will work for me.
Great tip! It's even simple in Reaper
Im using Reaper with Superior Drummer 2. So far I've been using the "insert virtual instrument on new track" function.
What's the name of the song in the intro? I couldn't find it on the link in the description
Awesome video. One thing though with ezdrummer you don't have to hard pan the kick track just make your mono aux track and select either the plugin 2L or 2R. This will play both kick drums on a single mono track.
I use Superior Drummer 3, but aa you would imagine, the process is exactly the same via the mixer. The only caveat with SD, is that there are individual effects as inserts, you’ll want to make sure to remove them prior to Aux’ing out as they are pre-fader and they will output to ProTools (or your DAW), and prevent dry tracks. Also in SD3 mic bleed is customizable, and like effects it’s another consideration. Good video though!
Thank you very much for that tip about removing the individual effects. also you say in SD 3 the process is exactly the same as EZ drummer ? like explained in this video ? thanks so much. cheers.
Thank you
Hey bro. Thanks for your tutorial. Just one little thing I wanted to ask you. I'm still a beginner in this stuff. I would like to know how to get the snare top and bottom in ezdrummer? I only have one track for snare. No top and bottom. Hope you could help. Thanks again. Cheers 👍🤘
It depends on which pack you're using. Pretty sure the stock kit in easy drummer contains both a top and bottom snare mic.
Lol was expecting to see some new info, for the first time I actually feel smart because I already knew this. Believe me, I'm no pro, hence why I am on here in the first place but routing seems kinda obvious to me... like one of the first things I learned about, much before trying to tackle eq and compression and mix balance... damn you mix balance. There just isn't enough space for all the things!
I use EZdrummer 2 for snare and kick and Addictive drums for hihat, toms and cymbals
Another thing you can do within Reaper for EZD is just press “multi out” and then assign what you need where for speed if you don’t have a set template
Thats right so for reaper users you just have to render it out to actual audio files and mix them
Trying to figure out how to do this on Mixcraft 9 Professional Studio...
I have everything routed to individual "sub-tracks," and panned how i want them, but I can't seem to find how to print or render them to audio.
In Cubase I can press F11 set EZ drummer as a rack and then output individually through the rack. Is this what you were describing later in the video because that was slightly confusing. That way all the tracks get created for you and then you can do all the panning etc you described. Do other DAWs not have this feature?
Nope, Pro Tools definitely doesn't have this feature. I don't think Logic has it either.
@@FrightboxRecording oh wow didn’t realise this, that must be so time consuming otherwise unless you have the templates.
Does anyone know how to setup Aux tracks in Reason?
How about ezdrummer 3 , output are combine together with floor and toms
Does anybody have a step-by-step for this and reaper? I know it should make sense but I am not getting it.