Microsoft Flight Sim 2024 VR RAW FIRST IMPRESSION! BUY or AVOID? Pimax CRYSTAL LIGHT - RTX 4090

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @IchGlaubEsHacktWohl
    @IchGlaubEsHacktWohl День тому +140

    I just started the download of MSFS 2028 - you cant start early enough

    • @rocketfueller
      @rocketfueller День тому +5

      The aircraft will all be AI drones by then, so all the aircraft will be unflyable

    • @jnbennett6496
      @jnbennett6496 День тому +2

      😂

    • @Bambeakz
      @Bambeakz День тому +3

      If only the download was the problem. Even the instruments and co-pilot is streaming 😂 not kidding

    • @drumbri
      @drumbri День тому

      Plan on sitting there ALL DAY LONG!

    • @mikegc3816
      @mikegc3816 День тому +1

      Ahhh that made me laugh!

  • @gerb3374
    @gerb3374 День тому +16

    Downloading wasn’t an issue for me as I did it at 3am. However, incremental flap failure, lower vr fps than MSFS2020, blurry ortho due to streaming issues and two crashes later I feel like MSFS2024 is an expensive gem delivered to us in a pile of shit. I’m glad I didn’t uninstall 2020 in DX11 as I’m going back to it for now.

  • @jakeperl5857
    @jakeperl5857 День тому +39

    I'm actually quite pleased with the performance I'm seeing so far with very little effort - very smooth with few stutters, if any. I am running DLSS, not TAA. I've gone back and forth quite a few times, and still don't see an appreciable benefit with TAA. Crystal Light, 4070ti, 13600, 32GB.

    • @Zane4428
      @Zane4428 День тому

      Around what FPS are you getting?

    • @jakeperl5857
      @jakeperl5857 День тому +5

      @@Zane4428 Typically high 30s, sometimes dipping to high 20s around LA and SF. But it seems to me subjectively smoother than 2020. Terrain LOD 200 and Object LOD 100. I expect this to improve as I spend more time on optimizations.

    • @Zane4428
      @Zane4428 День тому

      @@jakeperl5857 Thnx & have fun out there!

    • @jgarrets
      @jgarrets День тому +1

      DLSS does seem to be the answer so far. I couldn't stand DLSS upscaling in 2020 but like you said the difference from TAA seems to be less noticeable in 2024 (at least with the latest DLSS file version of 3.8.10). I tried DLSS-Quality along with OpenXR DFR-Quality and FULL render resolution and I seem to get my 45+ FPS again with medium-high graphics settings.

    • @dtrjones
      @dtrjones День тому +1

      Yeah I've never gone with TAA in my Quest 3 either. The use of DLSS with the motion smoothing technology with Virtual Desktop really does help performance all be it at a lot lower resolution.

  • @bakzetary3145
    @bakzetary3145 День тому +5

    Thanks for the first views Steve! You have a 500Mb/s connection and I have 24, LOL! So glad I skipped the pre-order. DLSS is implemented apparently with a Vortex mod which will improve framerates. JZ 2Cents clearly demonstrated the software is poorly optimizing hardware at this point in the release, sad to be sure but good luck fiddling with it. I'll stick with 2020 for now. (Oh, you also need HAGS on now to take advantage of DLSS apparently. PLUS use DLSS Swapper to update the game to 3.8.1, ASOBO still supplied 2024 with the same DLSS version as 2020, LOL!)

  • @GetOffMyyLawn
    @GetOffMyyLawn День тому +16

    For the mouse bug, with the Quest 3, if you tap a button on the quest controller, you regain mouse functionality.

    • @GlxyEntertainment
      @GlxyEntertainment День тому

      😮

    • @jonathonanderson8004
      @jonathonanderson8004 День тому +1

      Using left hand on honeycomb alpha, right hand using bravo with quest controller. I like learning what the buttons in the cockpit do. Big smile when lowered ramp on Chinook. Then went dark at night and flew night stalker style through a city

  • @OlivierFablu-c9m
    @OlivierFablu-c9m День тому +22

    With the Quest3 in 72Hz and Virtual Desktop, VDXR, AV1 10 bit, 7800X3D, 4090, 64go DDR5 6000mhz, Wifi 6, 5 G 2400Mb/s, TAA. graphics setting on high, I am between 40 and 55fps in an environment with cities and traffic both on land and in the air. And I don't use OpenXR toolkit. For me it works the same as 2020, but better looking. All I want now is to be able to use my Hyperformance H145 and H160 modules.

    • @joostvanh1217
      @joostvanh1217 День тому

      Very simular system to mine, I just have less ram. I don't use taa, heard is makes things blurry. I still have a bit of ghosting when looking out the side window. Any recommendations?

    • @OlivierFablu-c9m
      @OlivierFablu-c9m День тому

      @joostvanh1217 I think the problem lies in the quality of the internet network. I live far from big cities, but with very fast internet and without disruptions, I have a ping of 12, and I think that's a lot.

    • @HandlewithCare411
      @HandlewithCare411 20 годин тому

      I'm running the 9950x with 32gb of DDR 6000 and the 4090. I get about 45 FPS in Ultra with DLSS Quality Setting. Which is what I get in TAA mode on the 2020 edition. I'm going to get more ram as I tap the ceiling of my 32gb at times. With the quest 3 the 5080 might be sufficient for VR when its released we'll see. The 5090 will likely be required for Pimax in TAA between 30 and 60 FPS.

    • @OlivierFablu-c9m
      @OlivierFablu-c9m 20 годин тому

      @HandlewithCare411 DLLS is as bad as the 2020 version, if you compare the gauges in your cockpit between TAA and DLLS Quality, you will clearly see the difference, I prefer to have only 40Fps, but with a higher graphics quality.

    • @kecimalah
      @kecimalah 20 годин тому

      @@HandlewithCare411 Simmilar results with 4090 and Q3, need to use DSS Quality to get playable framerates. 2020 I was running same setting with 120% TAA and it looks much better and sharper. Hope there will be some optimization soon, dont want to invest in 5090 as it will be also too power hungry.

  • @kevinbrook7033
    @kevinbrook7033 День тому +8

    I still haven't bought this yet and reading all the frustrated comments in your Discord from everybody trying to get this working still have no desire to mess around with it for a while. I've got two weeks off over Christmas, I think I'll look into picking it up then.

  • @robrodgers4660
    @robrodgers4660 День тому +30

    As much as I wanted to buy 2024, something just told me that it wasn't going to be a good launch so I opted to avoid at least for now. I run 2020 with older hardware (i9 10900 & 3090 + G2) but it works well for me to continue using it. Thanks for the first look Steve and I'll be watching the progress on your channel :)

    • @jjohnson1667
      @jjohnson1667 День тому +6

      Horrendous launch aside, once you’re in the performance is actually quite good. Because it’s truly multithreaded it just runs smoother when you’re flying. It’s great right now for VFR flying, IFR flying stick with 2020 right now.

    • @JohnDoe-yq9rt
      @JohnDoe-yq9rt День тому +4

      You made the right choice, if you didn't know it was a new game, you'd think you were playing FS2020).

    • @payt01
      @payt01 День тому +4

      @@JohnDoe-yq9rt I can see that being true if you're one of those magenta line jockeys, but as soon as you get on the ground the difference is staggering :)

    • @regwatson2017
      @regwatson2017 День тому +3

      I'm betting you are over 35 ? You are displaying patience and understanding - something these rabid "must have now...."youngsters don't own.

    • @robrodgers4660
      @robrodgers4660 День тому +3

      @@regwatson2017 haha yes I am over 50 actually and can still be impulsive at times but yeah I tend to be more patient than I used to be :)

  • @belgeode
    @belgeode День тому +29

    Centering can be bound to a HOTAS button. That was like the first thing I set on all my keybind profiles.

    • @VRFlightSimGuy
      @VRFlightSimGuy  День тому +10

      I've always found the space bar to be absolutely fine for me. But the shift key?! Come on Asobo.. 😅🤦

    • @arride4590
      @arride4590 День тому +3

      ​@@VRFlightSimGuythese guys don't care about VR.

    • @martinhsl68hw
      @martinhsl68hw День тому +5

      @@VRFlightSimGuy I suppose space bar is now 'reset fuse on secondary backup hydraulic system' or something

    • @blacksto1
      @blacksto1 День тому

      @@VRFlightSimGuy Right!?! :)) Was asking the same thing, why break something if it works. Now we need to re-train our muscle memories lol

    • @f3rny_66
      @f3rny_66 День тому

      @@blacksto1 they changed most of the shortcuts for no reason, like whyyyy

  • @Lonsome1223
    @Lonsome1223 День тому +8

    Thanks for that I'll definitely wait as I'm happy with 2020

    • @yeyu999
      @yeyu999 День тому

      They introduced the quad view in DCS , which also has been playing a big role to smooth things out in VR.

  • @payt01
    @payt01 День тому +26

    I actually went for a hike in some fields and forests in VR yesterday.. it was awesome! I even petted a sheep! Oh and I did some flying too! While the performance could be better (matter of time) it's all really promising :)

    • @jubuttib
      @jubuttib День тому +1

      Honestly, for a while I wasn't sure if you were trolling or not, and just went outside for a walk. :D

    • @rmoulster
      @rmoulster День тому +2

      Sssh, you're not allowed positive feedback or a glass half full mentality. OUTRAGE is the order of the day... performance is far better on my 3080 in flat. Haven't tried vr yet. Letting it cook and trying my best not to be OUTRAGED!

    • @SolidMikeP
      @SolidMikeP День тому

      What game was the hike on? Getting my set tomorrow, do you recommend any non traditional games?

    • @jubuttib
      @jubuttib День тому

      @@SolidMikeP Preeetty sure it was MSFS 2024.

    • @acratone8300
      @acratone8300 День тому +1

      It's nice to hear reports from Wales !

  • @mrjoanferre
    @mrjoanferre День тому +19

    I am sorry, but I don’t agree that “this is doable”. You are playing with a 4090 which is the best of the best currently and it can’t keep up. I just can’t see any good news at all

    • @ciri151
      @ciri151 День тому +5

      It can tho.. He's getting low frames because of TAA.
      I'm having a pretty smooth experience in vr (minus the server issues) with my 4080 and DLSS on. And everything is still very sharp.

    • @jamessimmons8352
      @jamessimmons8352 20 годин тому

      @@ciri151 I tried DLSS in VR with my 4080 and its still pretty blurry. So many settings to get dialed in again. I do get a solid 30 FPS in VR with TAA, but certainly not happy with it yet.

    • @kecimalah
      @kecimalah 19 годин тому

      @@ciri151 Picture quality with DLSS-quality is much worse compated to 120%TAA I am able to use with FS2020. I think there is quite a lot of room for optimization.

  • @trent_dyrsmid
    @trent_dyrsmid День тому +4

    I had a Crystal Light and it SUCKED! At the 15:25 mark of your video, you said (about the Crystal) “as long as you get a decent one”. You mean some of them are better than others? In my case, it was OK in MSFS….but HORRIBLE in iRacing. I was unable to read the text on the billboards and (compared to my G2), everything looked kinda weird….plus it made my eyes feel weird…and I’ve never had that problem in VR before.

    • @GD-lv8cc
      @GD-lv8cc День тому

      At first iRacing was abysmal but I followed a guide on youtube and now i'm running it at 120fps. The PCL made my eyes feel buggy, too - so I ordered lens inserts as I'm slightly far sighted. Now it looks much much better, but yes - you play the Pimax Lotto when you buy from them. I got lucky.

    • @blastofo
      @blastofo 20 годин тому

      You'd probably getting better performance on a Quest 3 and a good wireless connection, because of Virtual Desktop's ASW, and your PC only needing to render half the target framerate.

  • @DavidCarlish
    @DavidCarlish День тому +7

    Hi Steve - I have a 4090 as well .. Have you tried DLSS Quality --- seems to be more FPS bang for the buck than TAA - ALSO less shimmers on certain textures - ENJOY your vids as always - PEACE

    • @VRFlightSimGuy
      @VRFlightSimGuy  День тому

      Hey David, yes although you lose too much clarity especially with glass gauges

    • @RolandDobbins
      @RolandDobbins День тому

      @@VRFlightSimGuy- ensure you use DLSS Swapper to change out the obsolete DLSS that ships with both 2020 & 2024. It makes a huge difference in VR, everything is readable, etc.

    • @anone3842
      @anone3842 День тому

      @@RolandDobbinsthat should be Asobo’s job to make sure they release with the latest and best version of DLSS. Ridiculous that it’s up to users to hack something like this in, while they pockets millions of cash

    • @TensePeacock
      @TensePeacock День тому

      @@RolandDobbins any tutorials on how to do this?

    • @JasonMoon111
      @JasonMoon111 День тому +1

      Pretty good tutorial:
      ua-cam.com/video/91JUklBj5ls/v-deo.html

  • @Mark_Point
    @Mark_Point День тому +29

    DCS still the best in VR

    • @Fiztex553
      @Fiztex553 День тому +1

      I actually like BMS much more as a sim, VR is great there. DCS is a solid 2nd to me.

  • @RobertYoung-m7k
    @RobertYoung-m7k 16 годин тому

    Great Vid, What software did you use to record it? Cheers!

  • @belgeode
    @belgeode День тому +4

    Once they get things sorted, I want to try downloading local cache for like one area of the world (probably small islands to start), just to see if it improves the orthophotos over waiting for things to stream.

    • @VRFlightSimGuy
      @VRFlightSimGuy  День тому +1

      I've been thinking the same. I've currently got it set to 30gb

    • @joelv4495
      @joelv4495 День тому +1

      I thought I heard that local caching was disabled for now. I just did a quick flight yesterday but forgot to check.

  • @mesillahills
    @mesillahills День тому +11

    There are always some problems on the first few days. I am holding off until they shake out. What I am loving is how avid simmers are discovering that just flying a jet is boring. One guy using the flying parachute says he is never going back. I said that 25 years ago on the Avsim forum and got totally flamed. The "Digital Tourist" has finally come of age. So has the scenery of course. Even Jorg said yesterday that he is surprised at how Asobo has matched the ground textures to the real world. He said he does not know how they manage to do that.

  • @79849266
    @79849266 7 годин тому

    Thanks for balanced review. I'm not crazy or incompetent after all. My experience is so much different than what I expected from other reviews. I concur with your analysis.

  • @renarddegaulle1204
    @renarddegaulle1204 День тому +5

    If the mouse stops working, use a vr controller to move one switch and it will restore the mouse function.

    • @jgarrets
      @jgarrets День тому +1

      It seems to have something to do with when the right-mouse-drag is used to rotate the camera. That seems to disable the interaction mode for the left-mouse button. I can usually get the interaction mode to come back after some combination of right mouse clicks.

    • @theegodelpozo
      @theegodelpozo День тому

      ​@@jgarretsAKA OVERLAYS.

    • @larsolander789
      @larsolander789 День тому +1

      I’ve never even taken my VR controllers out of the box. All I do inVR is flight sim and with a full HOTAS setup there was no need to use controllers.

    • @peteseven7180
      @peteseven7180 День тому +1

      How do we get the bar overlay,where you can contact ATC or change weather etc? Used to be push a mouse button or a controller button.

    • @stvcolwill
      @stvcolwill День тому

      @@peteseven7180 I found that missing in mine as well. Tomorrow when I open it back up, I need to look for the 'toggle toolbar' and bind it to something. I was able to contact ATC by binding a button on my yoke to 'display ATC'.

  • @Ajvella31
    @Ajvella31 День тому +6

    3:26 no, it's because you still show off graphics in 1080p

  • @nzbankboyinvr4713
    @nzbankboyinvr4713 День тому +1

    Thanks buddy - 45 mins later 😂 It was a bit like a comedy wasn’t it. Glad it wasn’t just me. I’m sure this time next week things ‘should’ be better!

  • @jonmabec
    @jonmabec День тому +1

    Hopefully they'll get things in a better state in a few weeks. I'll definitely wait until I make the jump. Still excited to see what this sim becomes!

  • @bigbangerz5856
    @bigbangerz5856 День тому +2

    Came for the roar impressions, wasn’t disappointed 😂

    • @dtrjones
      @dtrjones День тому

      I used to bite my tongue and hold my breath, scared to rock the boat and make a mess! 😂 Couldn't resist.

  • @IASystemsComputerControls
    @IASystemsComputerControls День тому +2

    2nd day and over 40 trys to get to end of loading, not a happy bunny Thanks for the video, seriously thinking about the Crystal Light thanks to you lol

  • @PebbleTrader
    @PebbleTrader День тому +14

    4090: pretty much had to set all VR settings to LOW to get smooth frame rate.

    • @pabulum5494
      @pabulum5494 День тому +1

      This. I didn't even try without eye tracking

    • @PaulMcDonagh-rv6vc
      @PaulMcDonagh-rv6vc День тому +10

      Yeah, i dont belive any of these youtubers now, they are so full of shit its not funny. I have lost 30% performance in VR, on a 7800x3d/4090.
      The game is total shite.

    • @droneforfun5384
      @droneforfun5384 День тому

      omg

    • @164DiecastVideos
      @164DiecastVideos День тому +3

      This is still a server issue guys - UK servers are borked. VPN to America or Asia and it works fine.
      I fully got in for 3 hours straight, no lag, no CTDs and glorious looks.

    • @theo5675
      @theo5675 День тому

      Yea low setting runs much better then medium and high in VR

  • @trent_dyrsmid
    @trent_dyrsmid День тому +2

    I've had MSFS2024 CTD over 20 times so far today. I can get into the game and get "ready" to fly...but as soon as I start clicking pretty much anything, it CTD. Anyone else seeing the same thing?

  • @michaellitwack5019
    @michaellitwack5019 День тому +1

    Can't wait for you to put out a video that shows how we can dial in our settings to make it work much better ;)

  • @jamiesalmonsculpture8599
    @jamiesalmonsculpture8599 22 години тому

    Curious what you and the community thought of Jayz2cents review of it?

  • @J.P.J.R
    @J.P.J.R 21 годину тому +3

    Anyone else feel like the center of rotation while walking around in VR is slightly 'off'? It feels like the pivot point of the virtual camera doesn't match the VR headset's.

    • @shawtdusanshawt
      @shawtdusanshawt 20 годин тому

      You mean the look from behind outside?

    • @J.P.J.R
      @J.P.J.R 9 годин тому

      @@shawtdusanshawt nah I mean if you are in VR while in the walk around camera - If I look left and right the headset feels like its moving as well as rotating.

  • @leeavsart2960
    @leeavsart2960 День тому

    Great vid as always thanks! At 16:45, when you got a stuck screen, I keep getting this all the time mid flight. Is that a sim problem or a GPU problem?

  • @GD-lv8cc
    @GD-lv8cc День тому

    Taking over your comments section but have to say as a non-pilot I was happy with the flight model of the Cessna 172, plus the FFB on my CLS-60 is working!

  • @geebee2262
    @geebee2262 22 години тому

    I managed to get in today. I did two flights in the DA62, one flatscreen and one in VR. It was silky smooth mostly but the graphics are still bad, even on high. I flew the H125 in VR too and had a few freezes. The lighting is great and the effects are good but they need more work on the servers. I'm on a Quest3, VDXR, RTX3070.

  • @blacksto1
    @blacksto1 День тому +3

    Remember to replace the dlss file to the latest version with the replacer tool, they again included some very old version....

    • @highs_and_lows4665
      @highs_and_lows4665 День тому

      What does that do? Is that for nvidia cards only?

    • @JasonMoon111
      @JasonMoon111 День тому +2

      Updates the DLSS to the newest version. Game comes with DLSS version from 2022. Huge improvement to the quality.

  • @sz-zr6rn
    @sz-zr6rn День тому

    Thank you for this totally honest review, just a shame I bought it and experienced everything you have first hand 😂 just to list out some other bugs I’ve seen:
    1) on landings Gibraltar the aircraft keeps speeding up with it without auto throttle.
    2) aircraft position changes randomly
    3) sounds in vr are weird sometimes very loud wind in the a320.

  • @giacomoertiani3122
    @giacomoertiani3122 День тому +2

    Did you understand if the dynamic graphic settings ( target fps) is working?

  • @surfman88
    @surfman88 День тому

    Like it the few moments the loading is not stuck. Looks more real indeed. Hope servers get better soon

  • @sylvainlanoue2937
    @sylvainlanoue2937 День тому

    As always, great video! In your video, you mention about different FPS values. How do you see the FPS value in VR headset? I use a Varjo Aero. Thanks in advance.

  • @vracan
    @vracan День тому +1

    have you tried using steamVR instead of openXR?

  • @Theharpothedog
    @Theharpothedog День тому

    Excellent performance once I got everything under control and running. Worked well with pimax and quest 3 airline. I took longer to load using air link and got a few stutters. When tethered to pimax by cable it was smooth as silk. I do miss my favorite plane from 2020.

  • @pauljrix
    @pauljrix День тому

    The physics definitely feel better than 2020, the terrain is more detailed, I have yet to see any issues where water meets land. Yesterday was a disastrous launch, but things are certainly improved today. No buyer’s remorse at this point from me, but I think it is fair to say that this is more of an evolution than a revolution. VR with the Quest 3 and Virtual Desktop seemed very smooth overall.

  • @SkyKing-Opa
    @SkyKing-Opa День тому +1

    Spot on Steve I have the same problems. Your review is just prefect.

  • @jrherita
    @jrherita День тому +1

    What does your GPU usage look like? Curious if you're CPU or GPU limited (or both) right now

  • @scottw6960
    @scottw6960 День тому

    Great video, thank you for sharing all the issues. Will definitely wait a month or two before purchasing and hope they work out the bugs.

  • @VR_Aviator
    @VR_Aviator День тому +2

    You made it through 97%. Congrats.

  • @cyrilgpilot
    @cyrilgpilot День тому

    As usual, can't wait to have your first impression and review.
    For me tonight it was a pleasure to fly, ne Network troubles, beautiful sim!
    I compared places in msfs 2024 and 2020 and it's a huge gain especially in mountain regions.
    I just can't explain why there is still trees in desert region like in reunion island. Too much trees in some parts. But I love what I see, really.
    Have to install beta version of srs for my H3.

  • @lukebraddford3287
    @lukebraddford3287 День тому +1

    Give it time and everything will work out. I didn’t expect much more on release day to be honest.

    • @royevans1882
      @royevans1882 День тому +1

      How come you are an apologist. They’ve taken people’s money so the sim should work as advertised.

    • @lukebraddford3287
      @lukebraddford3287 День тому

      @ I understand that for sure. It’s just this sim is a huge undertaking, there is no way in chance it would run perfect on day one.

    • @ProxCyde
      @ProxCyde День тому

      @@royevans1882 They didn't take anything? People choose to pay. Don't get me wrong, the state of it is horrible for what's supposed to be a full release. But it's still your own fault for pre-purchasing games at this day and age when all games seem to be in, at best, beta when they release. I never pre-purchase anymore.

    • @royevans1882
      @royevans1882 День тому

      @ what a stupid thing to say. If you pay for goods it’s expected the goods are to the standard advertised. That’s how business works. If it’s faulty or not as advertised it isn’t the fault of the purchaser but the company selling you the goods.

    • @lukebraddford3287
      @lukebraddford3287 День тому

      @ we’re talking about a major video game release. Are you seriously surprised at this situation? It’s only happened a thousand times.

  • @knivesout33
    @knivesout33 День тому

    I have the same mouse problem. You have to exit VR mode and go back again for it to come back.

  • @slikoverkoken
    @slikoverkoken День тому

    This afternoon I've been trying to load anything for 2 hours before finally I got some flighttime in career mode, wich then crashed after I finished the first flight... lovely stuff

  • @LWJCarroll
    @LWJCarroll День тому +1

    So how many cpu cores/threads is it running on now? Now that multicore is enabled with MSFS 2024. Thanks. Laurie 😊

  • @LezMarwick
    @LezMarwick День тому +3

    Interesting that your performance is worse than in 2020. I was just watching the VRpilot stream and he was saying that it was the smoothest vr performance he had ever had - much better than 2020. He was also using a Pimax Crystal headset.

  • @SparkySven
    @SparkySven День тому +2

    It's default capped in settings to 30fps, if you want more if your GPU can do it set it higher, I have that VR mouse bug also, not at first but afterward you lose control function, don't know what cause this. I see you are also strugling to get that top menu working in VR. Me also with my G2 VR headset.

    • @xjrthirteen
      @xjrthirteen День тому +1

      @@SparkySven the menu didn't work for me in VR either. Just more evidence that proves how little effort Asobo put into testing their product with VR.

    • @SparkySven
      @SparkySven День тому +1

      @@xjrthirteen It does work but if it stop working hit escape, then resume and works again

  • @anone3842
    @anone3842 День тому

    They should just add in an option which auto pauses the entire flight until all visible textures on landscape are loaded and then continue on. I’d prefer that than flying through half loaded landscapes.

  • @happydappyman
    @happydappyman 21 годину тому

    I never got msfs 2020 to work in VR. Best I ever did was to get it working for a few minutes at a time and then suddenly the framerate would just tank to a slideshow after between 5 and 10 minutes and I'd have to restart the game. If performance is just "worse" but without whatever was broken for me in the old game, I would be totally happy. I tried to solve it for ages without luck

  • @lvx4408
    @lvx4408 День тому +1

    How hopefully all these things will get fixed in the near future, i.e. within the next 6 months?

  • @drewer757
    @drewer757 День тому

    Thanks for the review! I tried to load the sim once yesterday and abandoned it after sitting at "0% - Language Loaded" for an hour. 🤣 One thing, I seem to recall in one of the dev streams that they said they'd target 30 fps for VR, so there's headroom. But I could be mistaken. . .

  • @senti2175
    @senti2175 День тому

    A new benchmark for patience 🥱

  • @RMAG
    @RMAG День тому

    Is there a way to display one single image on your PC screen like your videos? Or are you cropping to one of the eyes in your editing software?

  • @JamesElmquist
    @JamesElmquist День тому

    Are you using frame generation?

  • @David-xk4xx
    @David-xk4xx День тому +2

    I remember flying the MSFS2020 VR beta and being blown away by the clarity and quality. Of course I was comparing it to XPlane 11. This release is currently such a disappointment. I've found that its not just the scenery that only partially loads in. I've had gauges missing in planes, brakes that clearly are pushed down in the sim but have no effect on the plane, missing cockpit labels as well as a mouse that randomly stops working. Going back to MSFS2020 for now. This sim is not ready for release. 7800x3d, 4090, 32GB, Quest Pro, 1Gbps Internet.

    • @TrueFilter
      @TrueFilter День тому +1

      Why can’t we install planes. I don’t want to stream a plane ffs

    • @paulocacella
      @paulocacella День тому +1

      @@TrueFilter They are slowly going to do not sell you a game, but rent it. This is their idea. Remove any control you have to be a slave.

  • @TheOli4D
    @TheOli4D День тому +3

    Sorry Steve but why are you defending them for having such poor performance in VR? Saying that the sim will last for at least 4 years has nothing to do with it performing poorly now. That is NO excuse. Especially not when somebody has the powerful hardware like you have. It should run smooth and great.
    Also, the graphics are in some way not better than MSFS2020, they are WORSE in MSFS2024! A lot of the world, where it is late fall/early winter now, just looks completelly washed out and brown. The texures of the satellite imagery have a strange colorgrading filter on them, turning fields, grass, etc. into a brown sauce. Fly in Austria or Switzerland. Everything turns brown, while in reality, the grass fields stay green all year long in reality.
    And even in summer, the satellity imagery is not green and lush as it should be, no it's like 90% desatturated, looking terribly washed out and not at all realistic.
    MSFS2020 was not perfect in that regard, but it looks MUCH more realistic. This new seasons model they use is horrible. The trees themselfs look good, but the fields, the grass, the satellite imagery in general, is so much worse in most aerias. I'm honestly shocked.

  • @marcelursache2156
    @marcelursache2156 День тому

    After the yesterday’s nightmare, today I was finally able to test the sim, and oh my goodness!
    The difference between 2020 and 2024 is huuuge! It will take some time until they fix all of the problems , and there are many, but really, this is the way to go, especially in VR. The lightning, the buildings, grass, trees, texture, clouds, cities lightning, cars, are way better than 2020. No more Map Enhancement, Rex acuseasson, atmos , etc. BTW, Flying in the night / evening over cities is wonderful. Much more realistic than 2020, and I think realism it’s what we all want. Give it some time, and I assure that this is the best realistic flight sim ever made. I had a silky smooth flight today, and trust me, I use dlss quality, almost ultra, and override resolution to 4320 in openxr toolkit, with Hp reverb G2.

  • @zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z
    @zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z 4 години тому

    My Vive Pro 2 worked right away without any(!) settings changes in good quality and not stutters. Well, while only every third time the servers are available, if it works it is absolutely great

    • @zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z
      @zzzzzzz1zzzzzzzzzz1z 3 години тому

      4090, 5800x3d, VP2 at 3856x3856 pixels, settings i don't know rn since i didn't change

  • @julianhall2008
    @julianhall2008 День тому +1

    Hi Steve thanks for the video, finally got it working however the data streaming is awful at the moment, I assume it's a server issue as I'm getting 930 mbs at the PC. London was crap for me in 2024, I went back to London in 2020 clear and full photogrammetry no lag. Hopefully as it works so well now in 2020 it will only be a matter of time before it's working in 2024.

  • @3D4Ureel
    @3D4Ureel День тому +1

    I got used to the very low frames per second of flight simulator since the MS-DOS version 🤪🤪😜😜

  • @blacksto1
    @blacksto1 День тому +1

    "Microsoft download simulator" lol. Honestly I managed to enter the game after 1h of waiting right after launch and managed to have 2 flights. Check out a water landing in the iCon A5 aircraft. Water enters the cockpit at your feet, pretty amazing lol. Also switch to external view while being on water with it, expect yur right eye to have an artifactory surpise.But yeah it looks amazing in the Crystal Light. And these bugs will be surely ironed out. Much better experience than in MSFS2020 tho. I'm an ex game tester and know to be patient, will definitely not ask for a refund and enjoy this in the upcoming years. Now I'm thinking of purchasing the Moza AB9 force feedbackl base and other stuff lol. Cheers and happy flying!

  • @williamg2620
    @williamg2620 День тому +2

    I have tried DLLS and i think it's great. i can reach 60fps with the same setup than you

  • @malkuth1974
    @malkuth1974 День тому +4

    What a massive epic release fail, can’t believe it’s still this bad 24 hours later.

  • @toreerlinglarsen2295
    @toreerlinglarsen2295 День тому +3

    I got around 40 fps with Quest 3- Most settings on ultra. My Crystal died the other day, but Quest is almost as good as Crystal.

    • @William_99640
      @William_99640 День тому +3

      I have both also it's crazy to say I like q3 better than my crystal light

    • @arride4590
      @arride4590 День тому

      Ok, but how is compared with msfs2020 in visual quality?

    • @William_99640
      @William_99640 День тому +4

      ​@@arride4590what crystal light vs q3?Crystal light is just odd with the fish eye lenses and distortion when it's in an actually clear spot on the lens it's maybe 10 %clearer than q3 but q3 performs way better and the pancake lenses are far superior than the crystal light.

    • @arride4590
      @arride4590 День тому

      ​@@William_99640i dont talk about the headset, I talk about the vr performance and visual quality between msfs 2020 vs 2024. 2024 is better in visual quality?

    • @logankesler3421
      @logankesler3421 День тому

      Go fly around JFK in New York or do some of the flight challenges. I had 50ish out in the desert. Most things on ultra quest 3 2700x2900 per eye. 4090, 7800x3d, quest 3. Then I went to a busy, more detailed area and it went down to like 25-35fps

  • @nykz2358
    @nykz2358 День тому

    Thanks for the review man. For this price this really isn't enough, saved me from a headache. Gotta wait for the 5090 and 9950X3D ig.

  • @ripstop5122
    @ripstop5122 День тому +4

    I think ill pass for a few months and carry on with DCS 😮

  • @deanna6359
    @deanna6359 День тому

    Performance was woeful on my first couple of flights, but it did improve and was actually very smooth and enjoyable after a while. So maybe it was because of the server issues, background loading, building shader cache or something.
    That mouse bug is a right pain though, I found that tapping any button on my Xbox controller would return mouse function.
    I think it has potential but was definitely released undercooked, so many bugs. The big suits were probably pushing to have it out in November, ready or not.
    Im looking forward to patches hopefully soon!

  • @mikegc3816
    @mikegc3816 День тому +1

    Think i'll wait a while, 2020 is good enough for me for now

  • @psychepeteschannel5500
    @psychepeteschannel5500 День тому

    17:51 I think you would call a cloud of snowy vapor in real life a 2d sprite too :-P

  • @jonathonanderson8004
    @jonathonanderson8004 День тому

    In US, 6pm est, game loads right up. VR yesterday with quest3, 9800x3d and 4070ti super seemed fine but didn’t have fps counter up. Will do more testing and let you know

  • @MultiTesseract
    @MultiTesseract День тому

    Are you perhaps using the dynamic setting options and a locked framerate?

  • @MikeInExile
    @MikeInExile День тому

    10:43 Steve, I'm having the exact same issue with the mouse as you are. I found that if I use [shift] to exit VR and then [shift] again to go right back into VR, it takes care of the problem.

  • @Madaboutstuff
    @Madaboutstuff День тому

    Really banking on more performance. Let us know how the upscaling setting go soon.

  • @ColinDyckes
    @ColinDyckes День тому +2

    Haven't been able to run a VR flight on FS2024 yet but DX12 is necessary to get 4 cores running the graphics. FPS seems to be a streaming issue hence your bandwidth low message. I always ran DX12 TAA in FS2020 with better performance than DX11! 14900KS and 4090.

  • @mikecroshaw9233
    @mikecroshaw9233 День тому

    Tried this morning just in flatscreen for now. It’s getting better but in high density areas the streaming is still not there. You can see the potential though . It is the lighting and the integration of ground textures that is a big step forward. I did the London discovery flight and then flew it in feee flight mode and you can see the difference ( clearly they just ported over the discovery flights ). I’m on 500mb internet and I assume it will get better once the servers calm down .

  • @dtrjones
    @dtrjones День тому +1

    The graphics is phenomenal, I do like the lighting in the transition from light to darkness, you definately feel the warmth of the sun disappearing as the cold is setting in - that's been nailed. Just to debunk some things Steve, I think you've alluded to it already, the bandwidth requirements are not as demanding as folks make out. I flew around London and the photogrammetry was as good as I've every seen it and I have AI and user traffic. My internet speed is 72 Mbps so the issues are server based. Although there's quite a few bugs in the core sim and the UI is shockingly bad, hopefully overtime these will get addressed!

  • @NeonRaven84
    @NeonRaven84 День тому

    Have you noticed the vr graphics dynamic setting is turned on? I believe this will change various graphics settings to maintain a target fps.

  • @4secsharkmr352
    @4secsharkmr352 День тому

    This is the new Crysis 😂 in many ways. Thx for the vid bud

  • @mauricecox7954
    @mauricecox7954 День тому +1

    So many bugs Steve this morning I had two short flights from birmingham to blackpool, they was ok tweeking the setting on route, as of right now 18-30 uk time i can even get on the map just locks on the little circle keeps spinning

  • @EddyHoward-c5c
    @EddyHoward-c5c 25 хвилин тому

    I put the render quality in Pimax play to 0.85 and used the latest version of DLSS, and I seem to be making progress. RTX4090, 14900K, DDR5 6000MTs, Pimax Crystal @ 90hz. Will keep tinkering around with it all.

  • @adventuresofjandk
    @adventuresofjandk День тому +6

    That VR looks absolutely ridiculous

    • @lurchilurch5507
      @lurchilurch5507 День тому +1

      It's mainly for people who are into hammerhead shark cosplay

    • @pires4641
      @pires4641 День тому

      Is not. This guy is just a moron who doesn't know how to use it

    • @droneforfun5384
      @droneforfun5384 День тому

      @@lurchilurch5507😂

    • @LulzSecvirusinvader
      @LulzSecvirusinvader День тому

      Tink the 2020 looks the same...

  • @mauricecox7954
    @mauricecox7954 День тому

    Seems to be loading better now just done a couple more small flights in differant planes

  • @marklangley7135
    @marklangley7135 День тому

    Got a feeling they’re going to need to add a big download at some point. I’m waiting as I want to play it at its best

  • @Ingeanous
    @Ingeanous День тому

    No need to VPN. I think a saw in the sim a spot to change the servers to another area.

  •  День тому

    Mam pytanie czy obrazek w natywnej rozdzielczości Pimax jest zły? To w końcu 2880x2880. Jestem zaskoczony, że musisz stosować oversampling.

  • @Mevlinous
    @Mevlinous День тому

    On the plus side, the multiplayer NetCode is beautiful and perfect for formation flying, compared to 2020 which suffers horribly from rubber banding.
    2024 aircraft in close formation and completely stable

  • @bassmann200
    @bassmann200 День тому +1

    If you want to see how the Performance went really worse with MSFS2024 now: just get into one of the Airliners at and Medium Airport. I did this with the A320v2 at EDDM with same settings than I use in MSFS2020 and all I got was a slide show inside the Cockpit. Have i9-14900k CPU and RTX4080 GPU. My Reverb G2 VR-Controllers weren‘t even working out of the box, I had to setup even the trigger Button in Controller settings manually. What a mess - for the Price they Charged this is ridicoulus -

  • @reedsnyder4235
    @reedsnyder4235 День тому

    I had the same mouse issue, I had to use a vr controller to click stuff in the cockpit.

  • @gustavoarios
    @gustavoarios День тому +2

    Thank you for your honest review. I purchased the Aviator edition yesterday. I’m in the USA and paid $217, including tax. I wanted to log in but had a horrible time downloading. I got stuck at 97% for three hours. Then I restarted, only to end up in a queue for another three hours.
    So, I essentially paid $217 for loading screens and queue screens. I never even got a chance to try the simulator. I have a state-of-the-art system to run this thing because I am an avid simmer. My entire setup is worth about $17,000. I’m not mentioning this to show off-because who am I showing off to? A bunch of other flight simulator enthusiasts? My point here is that I am extremely disappointed.
    I canceled my purchase and got a refund. As of this moment, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 might as well not exist for me. I am no longer interested in this software until they get their act together and make it functional.
    I am only interested in virtual flying. I have a Pimax Crystal, a super system with a 4090 graphics card, 64 gigs of RAM, and the works. I own every peripheral imaginable. I was extremely excited about this simulation, but it is, and pardon my French, a complete shitshow.
    I would have much preferred these developers delay the release by an entire year than put out a product that is not even half-baked. What a disappointment, to say the least. Count me out.

    • @breeknow
      @breeknow День тому

      Yeeeahh! You show them!! Get it off your chest! Lol.

    • @regwatson2017
      @regwatson2017 День тому +1

      Anyone with half a brain would know that to try to download and play a brand new product on Day 1 and this huge would be fraught with downloading issues (just like MSFS2020) and bugs (just like MSFS 2020). So if you wait two weeks the situation will be totally different to what you experienced. The problem is people just have no patience these days and must have everything now and working 100%. Apart from the server download overload issue which could have been avoided by a staggered country release or some other method of release, name me one piece of software that doesn't need a revision within days of being released and the bugs start getting reported. The fact you have a ridiculously expensive system compared to someone with a simple joystick doesn't matter at all. The point is just have a little PATIENCE. I played on the first Amiga wireframe version back in the 80's and was blown away at the time. Look at what you have to look forward to in front of you in 2024 and be a little humble for what they have produced. Just sayin' and I am no Microsoft fan at all.

    • @arride4590
      @arride4590 День тому

      ​@@regwatson2017the problem is not the people. The devs are the problem! They should know this game would be allow to pre install before the release date

  • @eugenebeck9210
    @eugenebeck9210 День тому

    Great job Steve! Aren't you glad I bought you all those headaches?😂😂😂😂😂 You're welcome😅😅

  • @marcosavila8215
    @marcosavila8215 День тому

    "WILL BE A SLIDESHOW FEST" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @onebullet95wt22
    @onebullet95wt22 День тому

    Hi, how do you capture only one eye in VR? If i go to VR i get both eyes so its not good for a video. Is there any way to do it without using any OBS plugging or specific program for your headset?

  • @ashbriant
    @ashbriant День тому

    I have had the same issue controlling the cockpit switches in VR. I have had to leave VR and re-enter to get it back

  • @ColinDyckes
    @ColinDyckes День тому

    Where did you VPN to Steve? I'm certain that the Americans are getting a lot better deal than we are in the UK.

  • @matthawk04
    @matthawk04 10 годин тому

    Hopefully this helps someone....it was unplayable for me, but then I turned off the Live Air Traffic in Flight Conditions and also set the Dynamic VR setting to on and to 30 fps. Now I'm flying around Philadelphia currently at a steady 35 fps. Sucks to not have the Live traffic for now, but until the servers settle down, it may help everyone to turn it off.