Good choice! By "sport".. do you mean "crotch rocket" Supersport? GSXR? R6? I've toyed with going the OTHER way... get myself a Softail... but naaah. I've ridden them and they just don't provide me with enough thrill.
They really are night and day. I’ve ridden a few Harleys and I always feel like I’m sitting in a hammock instead of on a motorcycle. There is definitely a big difference in how you ride them.
Good advice. I'm a 50-year street veteran with half-a-dozen trackdays in there. I see far too many "kids" come up out of the city and try to play Road Racer on my mountain roads... too often with tragic results. F*** the chicken strips. Stay smooth, steady on the brakes, let the bike do the work. Look UP.
I’ve been riding for 9 years and this is truly an incredible video. I’ve learned more in this than 90% of other UA-camrs out there. Thank you so much for sharing!
I am riding for 30+ years, had Sportbikes, went on track days a lot, and it was very pleasuring to see such a good summary video of what is really essential. I figured these out during my years through try & (fail &) learn, what a boost would it have been if I saw this video 25 years ago.. Actually the risk/reward ratio of street riding made me switch to off-road. Electronics create such a sense of false security, that I am worried about the lives of our beginner generation who is riding, remembering how reckless I was I'm my 20s trying to impress and get p***y....
Hard to swallow truth for egoists and squids but this is the best advice some one can get and experienced proficient ider like you can give us. I learnt it the hard way so switching to Ninja 4 RR to master the craft of track riding since track truly humbles you and exposes your street riding loopholes. Understanding proper Vision , throttle and brake control can make a rider really fast yet safe , wish I had realized it earlier.
I was suprised to see how much of this stuff I picked up just from watching people ride. I've never been to a track but a lot of the things about leaning specifically at high speeds and why you do it, are something I'm surprised I learned on the street. Definitely should have learned it at the track, and improved that way, I just don't have the money to do so :( Will be going at some point to learn EXACTLY where my limits are. Great video. Definitely deserve more subs than you have.
At 79 I now don't push hard on the street. Only does it on race tracks. Though had to brake hard once because of a deer on the race track! One thing you didn't mention was wet races. For some reason all my crashes last years had been in rain. Must be age. Quit riding Harley in 1965 and went the sport bike route.
I got a friend, (you know who you are if you are reading this) that really have no business on a v4, never been to a track on a motorcycle, cares about his tire strip because to him it represents his progress. Wants to go fast on the street, has a kid on the way, and after countless time telling him he needs to take it to the track if he wants to push his limit, he told me that on the track he know he will crash, he dont have a suit, and a lot of "yes, but..." stories that i cant even keep track of... I am exhausted in trying to telling him to going to the track.
I like leaning a lot Lol. It’s the biggest reason I have sportbikes. When I was new to sportbikes, I was trying maximize lean, which I realized was wrong. Now I try to maximize corner speed, which will require more lean. I only realized this after going to the track.
just found your channel at work ( I like to listen to podcasts etc) Currently my track riding is getting to a stage where I am in between intermediate and advanced, but I have done 0 modifications on my bike I ride a stock ducati 996. I would love to see a video explaining how to understand suspension on track in more detail, and key points to focus on to adjust suspension etc. Loved the video keep it up !!
Good video man definitely keen on learning how to do suspension, watch dave moss on how to adjust it but i dont understand, maybe if you make one i can try to understand your method of teaching.
Dave Moss is a decent resource though I personally don’t agree with how he goes about “fixing” a lot of issues. Too much emphasis on what the tires look like and not enough emphasis on how the bike rides. It doesn’t matter if the tires look great if the bike is barely rideable. I’ll have to make a video on this, but I recommend finding your settings, then going out and making a major change to one component of your suspension at a time so you can feel exactly what it did. If you do 10 turns of compression and change nothing else you’ll be able to feel that change by the first corner, then set it back to where it was and change something else. Once you learn what you’re feeling you can learn to change it to get the bike set to how you ride and what you need from your tires. Doing this backwards and chasing tire wear first just leaves the bike riding poorly from my experience.
@@RideTucked Actually not that far away from Provo (that's where my username is from ;) ). Thanks, looks amazing, but I'll probably never get to ride there as I'm form Europe. :\
Any relation to Chuck Graves? I used to club race in A.R.R.A. at Willow Springs when Chuck was in the club. Back then my FZ600 only took a 130 rear tire so it's crazy they take 180's now.
Does motorcycle weight alter any principles when going into corners? A 400lb bike vs a 500lb vs 600lb id imagine all behave differently even if all else is the same.
In my experience - yes and no. The fundamentals that are the same but the weight of the bike does have a factor in how the bike handles. Lighter bikes flick from side to side easier, and generally handle better overall. As a general rule, the heavier a bike is, the slower it is to turn - there can be exceptions to this so don’t take it as an absolute. Rake and trail angles also factor into how well a bike will handle, and we typically see heavier bikes with longer rake/trail angles and longer wheelbases so it’s not a true apples to apples comparison. If you have two bikes with identical rake/trail angles, suspension geometry, chassis design, sprung/unsprung weights, center of gravity, etc., but the only difference is weight, they would handle very similarly. That’s where we go back to the tip-in speed - the lighter bike would change directions easier and faster. There are a lot of other variables that contribute to how a bike handles than just the weight. Then we get into different styles of bikes, like an adventure bike vs a bagger vs a sportbike - the approach you take to riding each of these will change due to the different overall designs of the bikes. For example, I can teach someone on an adventure bike how to ride their bike fast on asphalt, but I can’t teach them how to ride fast off-road because that’s a skill I haven’t developed. I hope this is able to answer your question.
Leaning as far as necessary, while maintaining proper technique, is correct. Sometimes that means high lean angles if you have the pace and a tight enough corner, other times it means carrying less lean angle to allow increased stability and allowing the rider to increase the throttle sooner. Unfortunately that’s a hard concept to convey through a thumbnail. I plan on changing it up when I figure out a better way to express it - if you have a suggestion, I’m all ears.
Clickbait isn’t the intention. I sat with this for a few days trying to think of a fitting title and was drawing blanks when I finally landed on this. If you have suggestions I’m open to hearing them.
i dont know if any of that matters in my opinion, just practice (a lot) with trajectories safe trajectories, especially on the street lean angle and cornering speed comes after you know how to take a corner as safely as possible
Yeah, not doing this Your foot peg hits the ground, now your bike is on your front tire and your foot peg, your rear wheel loses traction, and away you go off a cliff. I got a better solution. Just drive slower.
i used to ride a harley and recently made the switch to a sport motorcycle, i thought it was going to be a breeze but it is a different world
Good choice! By "sport".. do you mean "crotch rocket" Supersport? GSXR? R6? I've toyed with going the OTHER way... get myself a Softail... but naaah. I've ridden them and they just don't provide me with enough thrill.
They really are night and day. I’ve ridden a few Harleys and I always feel like I’m sitting in a hammock instead of on a motorcycle. There is definitely a big difference in how you ride them.
😂😂😂😂
Good advice. I'm a 50-year street veteran with half-a-dozen trackdays in there. I see far too many "kids" come up out of the city and try to play Road Racer on my mountain roads... too often with tragic results. F*** the chicken strips. Stay smooth, steady on the brakes, let the bike do the work. Look UP.
I’ve been riding for 9 years and this is truly an incredible video. I’ve learned more in this than 90% of other UA-camrs out there. Thank you so much for sharing!
I appreciate it! I’m glad you found the info useful!
Good video man. I wish there were more high level riders like yourself that made straight forward and concise videos.
I can't believe you're still sub 1k subscribers this video was so concise and informative. Will be sharing this and you've earned my sub.
A suspension setup video would be very helpful.
I am riding for 30+ years, had Sportbikes, went on track days a lot, and it was very pleasuring to see such a good summary video of what is really essential. I figured these out during my years through try & (fail &) learn, what a boost would it have been if I saw this video 25 years ago.. Actually the risk/reward ratio of street riding made me switch to off-road. Electronics create such a sense of false security, that I am worried about the lives of our beginner generation who is riding, remembering how reckless I was I'm my 20s trying to impress and get p***y....
Hard to swallow truth for egoists and squids but this is the best advice some one can get and experienced proficient ider like you can give us. I learnt it the hard way so switching to Ninja 4 RR to master the craft of track riding since track truly humbles you and exposes your street riding loopholes. Understanding proper Vision , throttle and brake control can make a rider really fast yet safe , wish I had realized it earlier.
I was suprised to see how much of this stuff I picked up just from watching people ride. I've never been to a track but a lot of the things about leaning specifically at high speeds and why you do it, are something I'm surprised I learned on the street. Definitely should have learned it at the track, and improved that way, I just don't have the money to do so :( Will be going at some point to learn EXACTLY where my limits are. Great video. Definitely deserve more subs than you have.
Best damn video I have heard for sport bike riders in a while
I am brand new to riding and proud of my chicken strips. They often times taste very good. KFC is the best
Awesome ❤
At 79 I now don't push hard on the street. Only does it on race tracks. Though had to brake hard once because of a deer on the race track!
One thing you didn't mention was wet races. For some reason all my crashes last years had been in rain. Must be age.
Quit riding Harley in 1965 and went the sport bike route.
I got a friend, (you know who you are if you are reading this) that really have no business on a v4, never been to a track on a motorcycle, cares about his tire strip because to him it represents his progress. Wants to go fast on the street, has a kid on the way, and after countless time telling him he needs to take it to the track if he wants to push his limit, he told me that on the track he know he will crash, he dont have a suit, and a lot of "yes, but..." stories that i cant even keep track of... I am exhausted in trying to telling him to going to the track.
Great video! I love that thumbnail! 😎
I like leaning a lot Lol. It’s the biggest reason I have sportbikes. When I was new to sportbikes, I was trying maximize lean, which I realized was wrong. Now I try to maximize corner speed, which will require more lean. I only realized this after going to the track.
Great video! Thank you. Subscribed
just found your channel at work ( I like to listen to podcasts etc)
Currently my track riding is getting to a stage where I am in between intermediate and advanced, but I have done 0 modifications on my bike I ride a stock ducati 996.
I would love to see a video explaining how to understand suspension on track in more detail, and key points to focus on to adjust suspension etc.
Loved the video keep it up !!
Earned a Subscriber. Keep up the good work.
Good video man definitely keen on learning how to do suspension, watch dave moss on how to adjust it but i dont understand, maybe if you make one i can try to understand your method of teaching.
Dave Moss is a decent resource though I personally don’t agree with how he goes about “fixing” a lot of issues. Too much emphasis on what the tires look like and not enough emphasis on how the bike rides. It doesn’t matter if the tires look great if the bike is barely rideable.
I’ll have to make a video on this, but I recommend finding your settings, then going out and making a major change to one component of your suspension at a time so you can feel exactly what it did. If you do 10 turns of compression and change nothing else you’ll be able to feel that change by the first corner, then set it back to where it was and change something else. Once you learn what you’re feeling you can learn to change it to get the bike set to how you ride and what you need from your tires. Doing this backwards and chasing tire wear first just leaves the bike riding poorly from my experience.
That would be a good video!
@@RideTuckedI am getting cbr 1000rrr sp next year
It has electronic suspension, would it still need some manual adjustment ?
Here before this channel blows up
0:15 Wow, what a scenery, what track is that?
Utah Motorsport’s Campus
@@RideTucked Actually not that far away from Provo (that's where my username is from ;) ). Thanks, looks amazing, but I'll probably never get to ride there as I'm form Europe. :\
Any relation to Chuck Graves? I used to club race in A.R.R.A. at Willow Springs when Chuck was in the club. Back then my FZ600 only took a 130 rear tire so it's crazy they take 180's now.
I wish I could say there was a relationship, but no, just a coincidence.
Good vid
Does motorcycle weight alter any principles when going into corners?
A 400lb bike vs a 500lb vs 600lb id imagine all behave differently even if all else is the same.
In my experience - yes and no. The fundamentals that are the same but the weight of the bike does have a factor in how the bike handles.
Lighter bikes flick from side to side easier, and generally handle better overall. As a general rule, the heavier a bike is, the slower it is to turn - there can be exceptions to this so don’t take it as an absolute.
Rake and trail angles also factor into how well a bike will handle, and we typically see heavier bikes with longer rake/trail angles and longer wheelbases so it’s not a true apples to apples comparison. If you have two bikes with identical rake/trail angles, suspension geometry, chassis design, sprung/unsprung weights, center of gravity, etc., but the only difference is weight, they would handle very similarly. That’s where we go back to the tip-in speed - the lighter bike would change directions easier and faster.
There are a lot of other variables that contribute to how a bike handles than just the weight. Then we get into different styles of bikes, like an adventure bike vs a bagger vs a sportbike - the approach you take to riding each of these will change due to the different overall designs of the bikes. For example, I can teach someone on an adventure bike how to ride their bike fast on asphalt, but I can’t teach them how to ride fast off-road because that’s a skill I haven’t developed. I hope this is able to answer your question.
There is no need to put your knee down on the street, you can make a turn without putting your knee down on street but track yes
interesting.
however, motor vehicles in my country are unreasonably expensive, so my only option is a bicycle :)
The thumbnail suggests the opposite - lean low is correct, stay up is not! I am confused - which is right??
Leaning as far as necessary, while maintaining proper technique, is correct. Sometimes that means high lean angles if you have the pace and a tight enough corner, other times it means carrying less lean angle to allow increased stability and allowing the rider to increase the throttle sooner.
Unfortunately that’s a hard concept to convey through a thumbnail. I plan on changing it up when I figure out a better way to express it - if you have a suggestion, I’m all ears.
with all due respect please take a sip of water 👀😆 thank you for all this grate information 💯
Chicken strips all day for me. I have a family to go home to.
clickbait title and thumbnail imo, i learned when to lean and when not to lean but NOT HOW to lean
Clickbait isn’t the intention. I sat with this for a few days trying to think of a fitting title and was drawing blanks when I finally landed on this. If you have suggestions I’m open to hearing them.
i dont know if any of that matters
in my opinion, just practice (a lot) with trajectories
safe trajectories, especially on the street
lean angle and cornering speed comes after you know how to take a corner as safely as possible
Yeah, not doing this
Your foot peg hits the ground, now your bike is on your front tire and your foot peg, your rear wheel loses traction, and away you go off a cliff.
I got a better solution. Just drive slower.
A lot of fast babbling that does not answer the title question. After 50% I gave up.