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It’s a reputation kamikaze to be seen in a PRC branded vehicle. Even mainland Chinese migrants don’t buy them. They tend to buy Teutonic branded vehicles
Hi mate. What sort of answer would you give to people who give arguments like "Oh but Toyota is far more reliable and its reputation is proven for many years unlike Chinese brands" "Oh the resale value won't be as good as Toyota's. Chinese brands will depreciate more than japanese brand" Please help
What rubbish. Sam Evans has a passionate dislike of legacy car makers.
Well, the fact that Toyota will buy their next gen hybrid platform from BYD kinda tells you evertying you need to know.
wrr
Source?
@@m.s.p4147 why are you so lazy go read them up
@@hahtos show me any source where toyota says they will use byd hybrid tech.
@@m.s.p4147I just googled "toyota to buy byd hybrid" and I got all my results
Stop being a bum
I’ve worked with Japanese firms for years. The people in charge are now super old, that’s why.
I was just in Japan and everyone is super old
Not just that. Japan has a huge problem in the working culture.
1. The most common thing you see in these "traditional" conglomerates in Japan is, they will have very stiff company structure, meaning that everyone has to start from a new hire at an young age, work on basic errands for years waiting to be promoted, and the same cycle goes over and over until you retire. Even if you are very talented, in this very stiff system it's very rare that you will have a meteroic rise until you reach a certain age.
2. Each conglomerates treat their IPs way too seriously, meaning that there are rarely any technological exchange and communication between companies. Each of them use this "master-apprentice" system, where for example the skill of making a specific type of car part is passed down from senior engineers to juniors in a face-to-face basis, because they want to keep their "world most cost efficient" knowledge locked down within the company forever. In exchange they do offer very stable jobs to most employees meaning that they won't be fired unless they makes some seriously mistakes multiple times. You can imagine this system will only make the company gradually die out because the exchange in knowledge is very inefficient, no matter how much technological advance they were back in the dates.
3. There's a big disconnect between research agencies including universities, and the business world. A researcher in a Uni can only get the change to cooperate with these big JP conglomerates for R&D if they got like several rounds of referral to make sure that these researchers won't "leak" their awesome 40 year old technology that has been passing down from masters to apprentices internally for generations internally. So that also makes these big corps incredibly slow in true innovations.
To summarize, these big conglomerates in JP are still having a back backward mindset in running their businesses. They might look modern and slick on the surface but underneath is the good old "master-apprentice" skill based way of thinking. To their credit like starting 40-50 year ago this mindset did gave the Japanese the way to success, because this system requires tremendous amount of dedication, effort and attention to detail to make it work. But in the modern world, this is obvious way too inefficient to run a company.
@@johnflynn110 those grapes in Nagoya sure looks extremely sour from Shenzhen
Reliability. People think old proven technology is less likely to go wrong than new unproven ones. Trade efficiency for reliability. That's always been Toyota's philospophy. Or maybe just laziness.
This is why I say Toyotas cars are boring. Like yes they are reliable because they are ONLY using "proven" old tech from 15+ years ago with low power engines compared to other brands vehicles in the same segment. Tacoma V6 has been the subject of this conversation for years, V6 with the fuel eco of a V8 with the power of a I4 😂
Good point - and do we want 'crazy tech' in a car? I just want it to drive and be repairable by me.
@@steinbauge4591 true but they can still make reliable EVs without all the computers and tech.
@@steinbauge4591 current tech in a car isn't crazy tech tho... Old tech waste energy. You save money with the newer tech. They should go back to basic with cars tho. EV with physical buttons and small screens
Reliability and efficiency
Folks want change, but folks don't want to change.
wrg
They said they want but in fact they don't want
Answer is NEW car from old Tech.
Well said 👏🏽
Because they are stupid
We've owned a SL6 for the last 4 months. After 2,500kms, we've spent AU$40 on petrol, or about 22 liters. Almost all charging has been done overnight plugged into a regular 240V outlet. Great car.
People buy Toyota not because it’s better. But because of track record in terms of reliability, maintenance cost and retained value. It’s successful in Australia because it’s always been a safe bet. It will take time for the new comers to have similar track record
Plus not everyone has home charging, and people in apartment blocks. By doing public charging solely it’s not necessarily cheaper.
Hybrids act as a good stepping stone towards fully electrification
BYD and all other PRC branded vehicles will depreciate by more than 75% a year. After 24 months, they are sold by the weight at junkyards
@@yslee1401 HAHAHA. Maybe not 75%. 70% more likely
Funny how FORD through away its trust with reliable trucks for customers and, for what ?
That’s fair, but zero percent of apartment dwellers have a petrol pump either. Apartment blocks already have electricity supplies and upgrading their parking to add AC charging is already a possibility, that will happen increasingly as part of the technology shift. BEVs are more reliable than combustion by definition, they have a fraction of the moving parts and don’t rely on explosions and high temperatures to move.
@@yslee1401 another one who has never owned a Chinese BEV. Feel free to provide any example of 75% depreciation a year
North Americans, excluding Mexico, have no choice but to buy old technology Toyotas. BYD cars are tariffed at 100 % in the USA and Canada.
BYD and most other Chinese EVs are not even available for sale in North America, even if you wanted to pay 100% tariff.
not just the 100% tariff, it is more importantly that “Chinese software” on EVs in the name of “national security” that is banned, so effectively all Chinese EVs are effectively banned completely in US.
@ thank you for clarifying / rubbing it in. 🤔😂
wrr
How about they want to buy "old technology" Toyotas instead of EVs let alone Chinese EVs? 😂
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Are you ignoring the Rav4 Prime which has EV only mode? Or are you misleading by comparing a HEV to a PHEV?
No it doesn't its a stupid old HEV not PHEV!
A lady at church recently bought one of these Toyota's, she's blown away by it's fuel economy, and never having to plug it in. I asked her about driving on electricity only etc, she looked at me like I was talking some wierd language, "It's automatic, you don't have to worry about any of that"
After that BS I kind of gave up, she has no idea.
Toyota were fined in the UK for that lie.
I don’t agree with Toyota RAV4 is a 15 years technology. Its hybrid is so good that very efficient at 40mph for good size. RAV4 PHEV is 300 HP and fast. It is more reliable than even the regular gasoline cars. Only the Honda CRV hybrid maybe just as good and more comfortable. It holds the resale valve that no other car can match and last 200K miles without any breakdown. BYD would break down or at least loss its valve fast. How can BYD hybrid be better on any of the spec., resale price, efficiency, reliability, and parts availability.
So every Toyota never breaks down within 200k? Do you have data to back that up or just what people want to believe. Every car breaks down too many moving parts for it not too. Toyota living off past history that is just not real ent today. Others have caught up.
@@wellingtonhui6060 agreed. Toyota Hybrids are the most reliable, durable, lowest TCO vehicles available to date. PRC branded vehicles are expensive to maintain, unreliable, unpredictable and have no resale value at all
Unfortunately we r stuck with Rav in Canada and can't get byds sea lyon
I can buy both here ... but why should i buy a BYD? Lease it ... maybe. But i would not want to buy a BYD and be stuck with it after the warranty is void. While a RAV4 still has some value in 10 years. RAV4s have one of the best records concerning reliabilty. BYD ... the reviews i saw, where not overwhelming and there is no track record of 10 years or more for them. And the dealership network here is still very thin for the BYDs.
@@ButterHead99 agreed. PRC branded vehicle depreciation is more like 80% in 12 months
Please read..They Buy the RAV4 because when they go to sell it they get money for it!
BYD after 5 years is worth nothing…
Plus parts etc..
Also reliability. Google most reliable car brands.
Plus look at the bonnet fitment on the white BYD in the video
@@arcadyskoit PRC branded vehicles are worth by the kilogram at the end of 2 years at the metal scrapyards
Every car company says their cars are better than their competitors' cars. You should never believe that kind of marketing BS, they are paid to be biased.
There is plug in RAv4 called the RAv4 prime. The electrical drive chain is a repackaged BYD system from pre2020. If it is for RAv4 prime alone them saying 10 years old tech might be a bit exaggtrating. But we are getting there.
the electrical drive chain of the byd hybrid or the repackaged BYDs sold as Toyotas?
Do you have a source for this?
Toyota dont use byd tech in the Rav 4 prime!. They use Toyotas p810 transaxel in the prime, same as in the highland.
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That sounds more like it.
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However, most people prefers to reliability more than technologies.
There is the issue of reputation, available spare parts and quick repairs.
Hence PRC branded vehicles have no resale value
If a technology works well (high mpg) and lasts many years without failing, that doesn't mean it is old and obsolete, it indicates it is proven and dependable.
Nokia phone was very dependable and in fact indestructible. But then...
@@felixlaupc I see many people comparing Nokia phones with cars yet it isn´t comparable. Cell phone costs how much in comparison to car? How much money per year do you spend to maintain your phone? And what do you do with phone after 4-5 years - junk it and simply buy another. You don´t do that with car.
old tech? the BYD sealion 6 has worse fuel economy that all the Toyota hybrid. You're buying a Toyota, you're buying reliability. My old Toyota is near 20 years old and still going strong. I do not yet have the same longevity confidence with my BYB
Thanks for wiping this bullshit video with one single comment
😂that's not true, byd beat Toyota easily in China most Toyota fans province, fuel economic is much better@@MrMetal575
He's a shill for Chinese cars and Tesla only. Obviously paid. Now he's quiet about Tesla's plummeting market share in Norway.🇳🇴
Hmm, I have a friend who has an old RAV 4 with about 500 clicks on the clock and it is still going. But that is not Sam’s argument. The Toyota hybrid system simply does not give the vehicle anywhere near the EV range it should do in 2025. There are better options.
I'd take a Toyota over BYD every time.
I have a phobia when it comes to made in china. A big fat no to Made in China.
Besides I don't want to support a communist dictatorship if I can.
I do hope you didn't use your computer or phone to reply here without checking where they were made.
Alot of manufacturing moving out of CCP.....moving to a less hostile business climate.
@@onsetfilms007lot of products yet that are not made by communists.
@@onsetfilms007they were assembled in China. Apple and Samsung are moving towards India and Vietnam.
@@elvisalpha and PRC branded vehicles are rigged with spy ware from Huawei Symphony OS
I bought a plug in hybrid NX450h+ precisely because the old hybrid technology under the hood. The American market is very different than that of Australia perhaps, because I for one love old time-tested technology.
Precisely for the same reason I'm holding on to my 2018 LC 500. NA V8 and no turbo.
@@juancarlossandoval4761 Australia is just short of imposing ban or anti-dumping duties on Chinese vehicle imports. They just gotta follow what EU and Canada did
There are some videos circulating comparing old fridges to new energy efficient ones, and the data comes out that there’s little difference in efficiency for many of the tests (in one instance, you’d save $5 over the year). Do the same analysis with cars and barely any difference between, say, a Honda 2010 CRV vs 2020 model.
People buy Toyota not for tecnology otherwise they will never sell, interiors were always outdated, visual always a decade delayed from rivals,etc… they choose Toyota because reliability…. Prefer to have bigger fuel costs instead of spending 2,3k of repairing costs because in the end it will be better or the same…. In Europe rav4 have already a plug in version…but I am with you, they change for byd technology for some reason…
@@joaomac7 nothing beats a Toyota/Lexus Hybrid when it’s comes to lowest TCO
I have friend who is the fleet manager for an Australian car rental company. Only 10% of their fleet is EVs. There is just not the demand. The resale value of an 18 month old EV is near zero (Tesla is the worst). The resale value of an 18 month old Toyota hybrid is about 90% of the original purchase price.
BTW, can you tow a caravan with the BYD equivalent.
Toyota has a stellar reputation for RELIABILITY.
proven time and again.
That closes the deal for me.
still driving my 2008 Prius. Zero issues. And I skip the official maintenance intervalls !!
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BINGO ... Proven product
still waste money with those fuel.
It's OLD which is why as I've said before it used to be a good product.
And where does DURABILITY come in. Never heard of ANYTHING Chinese being durable.
That is because Toyota want the car to run for 30 years with battle tested hardware and not just 5 years as BYD is doing with its cars.
As much as i hate toyota and adore the new chinese cars, i'll agree with that
The thing is, with the rapid advancement in tech, most people wont keep their cars for that long.
Stop using logic.
Having owned a 2019 RAV4 there is one other big difference besides longevity and that is resale value. I just sold my 5 year old RAV4 and got 69% of what I paid. How much will a BYD be worth, or any electric car for that matter, after 5 years? And I sold it to buy an electric car but not because of savings.
You would say that if you have pulled apart a new Toyota and abYD. I have and the Toyota Feels like shit. The parts are made flimsy. I used to like a Toyotas… not anymore
I’ve got 10Y old Lexus NX. It drives like new using ~ 7,3L of gas per 100 km. I bought it used 3Y ago and all I had to do is change oil and filters. It’s efficient, comfortable, reliable. Toyota/Lexus hybrid CVT plus Atkinson cycle gas engine have been polished to perfection for more than 20Y since first Prius. Will new Chinese hybrid cars even last 10Y without falling apart? Will they have parts available in 10Y?
Who knows if BYD's will last 10 year's but Toyota's seems to have confidence scraping their 20 year old tech for BYD's PHEV technology for future Toyota's and Lexus
@@alexflippov1782 new BYDs are already rusting and batteries failing at 33,000kms, as the Canberra couple found out that BYD does not honour their warranty and don’t care about Australian Consumer Laws
You may not understand that fuel cost is a minor part of running costs but new car buyers are hard nosed and experienced and know all about depreciation and insurance. Toyota hybrid synergy drive might be old tech but so are pneumatic tyres and the shraeder valve.
Mr. Viking at 6:45 "Why would you actually make yourself pay money to petrol stations?"
Why would you make yourself pay money to the electric company, or the natural gas company, or to companies operating charging stations? Because people love energy and the things it does for them. Mad Max baby!
Yes, but if my greatest enemy in the world is the politician that the oil companies demand, I ought to think where my money goes.
You power your house with your own generator?
Because it’s reliable and doesn’t catch fire. Re sale value is also a good reason.
Hybrids cars are the most prone to catch fire according to the insurance industry. Three times worse than petrol cars and 160 times more than EVs.
@ not Toyota. That’s why there so popular. Customers decide winners not governments.
The problem is that not only Toyota is using old technology, other manufacturers are using even older technology in new cars and then they complaint that there sales are down.
Google quote: "Toyota and BYD established a joint venture in 2021 called BYD Toyota Electric Vehicle Technology Co Ltd. The joint venture is located in Shenzhen and is owned equally by both companies."
until BYD proven to be safe and reliable in long term. Otherwise, Toyota is still a better option.
@@keima1110 Temu Teslas just don’t last. And they depreciate more than 80% within 12 months
I drive a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid in the U.S. It costs me about $7 per 100 miles, and gas is a non-issue in my budget. I can fill up in 2 minutes, and I’m back on the road. I don’t own a home, so I’m not dealing with solar panels or charging stations. My focus is on long-term value, not monthly costs. I keep cars 10-15 years, and EVs in the U.S. depreciate fast-some 2022 models are already down 60%. Add the lack of charging infrastructure and long drives, and EVs just don’t work for me. Gas is cheap where I live, so I’ll stick with Toyota.
If you keep your car for 10 15 years depreciation dose not matter.
BYD hybrid saves even more gas. Better software and interior material quality.
@@captives6479 I’ll take a look around 2035 when I start searching for my next car.
Same works for sealion, but with a much better looking, materials and power 😂
@@GarryMajor-i4m Bingo. Also if they depreciate fast step in and buy a heavily discounted two year old EV. Weak arguments apart from not owning a home.
Toyota's hybrid is gasoline inclined. BYD's hybrid is electric inclined. Different designs.
Samuel, you have to realize that it takes time for people to learn and adapt. Looking at the resell value, that shows majority of the people are still "learning" or get used to the new tech. They don't know nowadays technology lead to safety and the only think old Toyota left is old reputation and new lies to fill the gap.. That is sad, I used to be a Toyota fan. I am with you, 5 years from now EVs resell value will go up huge and ICE cars will tank. As of now, it is still too early to get everyone on the same page yet.
That is wishful thinking. Technology leads to problems, primarily reliability problems. In 5 years from now batteries are still a piss poor store of energy, off grid charging will still be the exception. Those are only a few problems with BEVs. BTW where are the statistics that prove more safety "gizmos" lead to more real life safety? All you did is giving undeserved credit to technology.
Second hand Evs have depleted batterys, not worth much now or in the future
ICE secondhand value is not good now but EV secondhand value is even worse than ICE, because the price war making the brand new EV price drops drastically, making secondhand price drop too.
@@kenxie6487 you are trying to predict the future that EV resale value will go up base what what?
Tesla has been around for a while, and well known to be one of the more reliable EV. If their Resale Value doesn't hold, what makes you think other lesser known EV brand will fair better?
I am not talking about BYD specifically, but EV on general.
@@steak5599 Cause it is better, cheaper, safer and more reliable? It seems you need some fundamental knowledge about what happens on EV technology now. This is a good channel for you. The resell value trend is turning in China already, that is a good starting point.
I have owned a half dozen Prius of various years… the second gen was the peak of that product line IMO… I can get 50mpg and hundreds of thousands of miles out of something you can find for around 1k. Tons of cabin space…. Takes abuse well, handles snow well with good tires…
@@RobertMartin-s2v yeap, they are one of the most bulletproof vehicles around
My Honda City uses 7/litres for 100km. I didn't pay $50k for it. It was only $18k driveaway in 2018.
@@lexluong8155 and it will still be worth more than $10k now, unlike PRC branded vehicles that depreciates by more than 80% in 12 months
I've bought the current hybrid RAV4 when it was released and it's been great (keep in mind there was no other hybrid SUV available at the time). Total running costs are low. Insurance, servicing, parts, fuel costs, resale value are all better than almost anything else. I can admit, l'll replace the RAV4 with an EV in a couple of years but it will be after the new brands have proven themselves in regards to after sales support. The BYD Sealion may be a better car than a RAV4 but everyone has to realise this fact, not just the buyer in order to retain decent resale values. And, yes Sam resale values do matter to the average family. It's a massive part of the running costs.
@@Driver6M agreed. One has to look at the TCO, a large chuck of it is resale value, something which PRC branded vehicles don’t have
The only difference.... The rav4 would last 20 more years than the byd 😂
When I went back to my hometown in China last Christmas, I accidentally sit in a toyota BZ4x taxi. When the taxi driver told me that, there was a long awkward silence.
Ah, also. RAV4 HSD drive train have very good reputation. Those HSD drive trains often lasts for 500000km, which makes a good resale value on second hand market. How BYD drive train will last - time will tell, but I do not put much faith into 1,5l turbocharged Chinese engine. ;) BTW fuel consumption listed on BYD page is very similar to RAV4: 5.8L/100km fuel consumption. :)
I'm not recommending that you purchase a Toyota hybrid. But I will say Toyotas are the gold standard when it comes to hybrids and buying a hybrid of any other make is unwise.
Sam you are full of bs classic Australian . I have a rav 4 plug in battery range is 96 km in winter and average fuel usage after 20,000 km is 2.1 L/100km . I am very happy and I would probably be happy with a BYD also. Try to look at things are full, not half empty.
Click bait is how you earn I suppose. Or China have you on the payroll
because it's not the tech it's the reliability and longevity that people buy into.
Are you still using a Nokia phone or using Kodak to take a picture?
Sam Evans, I have a concern and I hope you will address it here. I like your channel and your analysis, however lately, it seems that you have a very strong pro-China EV bias. I watch your channel to see how ALL EVs merit against one another. Now granted, it does appear that China has been very aggressive in the market that Tesla solely built. But as an American without direct access to Chinese cars, I can't evaluate them. That said, you can't fully evaluate them either against American concerns. For instance, we don't know how they perform against American crash standards, some of the highest in the industry. An American EV UA-camr who recently travelled to China to evaluate a wide range of their cars, found that while the software was fantastic, the driving dynamics were not up to par compared to Tesla and others. He credited this trait to the rapid 18 month development times of the Chinese, done largely on simulators rather than real world testing.
There are some obvious advantages in terms of charging speed, and while that is a VERY important factor, it's not the only factor to consider in the purchase of an EV. Furthermore (as someone who works in IT) I know that competitors can often match features quickly, so what is an advantage today may not be so tomorrow. Quality, longevity, fun to drive factor matter as well, and I want to be sure that you are not so enamored with China's EVs that you are losing your objectivity. Many of the Chinese EVs are very derivative in terms of styling (BYD, Xpeung) or not attractive at all. I don't believe that the Chinese EVs are light years ahead of the competition as your videos often make them sound to be.
When you have solars and live in sunshine belt like Sam Evans - the charging speed is not so important. Range is.
My BYD Dolphin has a 5 star European NCAP rating. The drive and quality are great. I can't fault it. I charge from my solar system and have only paid for charging four times in the 10 months that I have had it.(Mostly so I knew how to use the charger) I calculate that 420km (260 miles) of travel would cost about US $18 at a fast charger. I have done 12500km (7700miles) and spent less than US$70 on electricity for it. No way I would go back to ICE, the stench of the gas station is brutal, and I have got used to having more money in my pocket for other things.
@aussie405, those things sound great! While I don't have solar at home, I recently purchased a Tesla Model 3 and it works wonderfully. The only reason I'd buy an ICE car now is if it were a 2 seats sports car with a 6 speed manual transmission, just for the emotion it evokes. Think Miata. But otherwise, I'm totally sold on the advantages of EVs.
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Actually Chinese EVs typically test exceptionally well against Euro NCAP testing criteria and I am sure its testing methodology is every bit as good as American standards, you can watch each car tested if you are interested.
The key patent in Toyota Hybrid is the planetary gear which Toyota hold on and will never license it to other Japanese car makers. So basically there are two types of Japanese Hybrids: Toyota hybrid and non-Toyota hybrid.
There was a study done that most of the people that buy plug in hybrids don't plug them in .
They are kind of bad solution in that you still have to maintain gas engine . If you always plug in then
you may end up with stale gas.
Toyotas have at least a reputation of good long lasting reliability.
Toyota likes to to stick with tried proven technology as much as it can.
Why don't you comepare the Toyota RAV4 PlugIn to that BYD Plugin? You compare two completely different systems. I drive a RAV4 PlugIn and i'm quite content with it. It's high priced - absolutely. But i never had issues with Toyota RAV4s. The quality is great and i would not trade quality for shiny. When there will be used BYDs on the market, 10 years or older, having been driven for 100k miles or more and they still hold their value, because of their great reliabilty ... then we can talk again. Until then ... no thanks.
Era of the best engines which have the right amount of computer application was the 80s and 90s.
So 15 year tech or even 20 year is the best.
Serviceable
Open repair/maintenance information
Simple tools
No product obsolescence
No anti DIY design lock out
No computer big brother
Complete privacy
Not linked online
Not data mining you etc
What is not to like about a NEW 15 year old design.
Many would love a NEW 80s 90s 00s production re run.
great until you had a serious crash.
Great info thanks. One problem in NZ for plug in hybrids - we now get charged $38 per 1000km Road User Charge (road maintenance levy) whereas a straight hybrid pays this in the petrol cost at the pump. My Prius PHV is now costing me more to run the a standard Prius.
It does make sense to pay more to buy a Toyota, if you don't just trade it in within 5 years. If you keep your Toyota for more than a decade you cut the number of vehicles you buy in half. Mr. Viking keeps his cars for a short time so he doesn't see that benefit. I have a 1997 Toyota T100 I use when I need a pickup or get deep snow. It has 192k miles and it should last 15 more years and 100k miles. It costs $350/year for registration and insurance, plus any gas.
EVs will last a million km easily.
They have 1/50th the friction parts, possibly even less. So even mediocre companies can make cars way more reliable than Toyota. It's just basic physics.
@jayceh Yeah, sure they will.
@@jayceh sure they will... Even Tesla hasn't proven they are more reliable than other Major ICE vehicles. And you think BYD is better?
@steak5599 you must be kidding me.
There's a massive multi-million vehicle study just recently completed that shows electric cars are far better in reliability than ICE.
And it literally can't be any other way due to the way fundamental physics works.
Moving parts break more than non-moving parts. This isn't even a comment on quality. Just the nature of friction.
@jayceh can you tell me where to look for the research you are talking about?
In North America, Bottom of reliability is Rivian, Tesla is also below average among all major automakers too.
I can't say about China. Maybe BYD is one of the better one, but there are still almost 100 EV manufacturers in China. You want to tell me they are all more reliable than ICE? If so, can you point me to a reliable source that support your theory?
Is not a matter of Theoretically reliability because of how many moving parts. What determines reliability of a car is 100% quality Control related.
You can have an item with 3 moving parts and still be less reliable than something with 50 moving parts.
Hybrids are done & dusted. Let's see how BYD Seal solid state Blade 2.0 battery performs in Australia, 2026 👍👍👍
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My dad drives round in a 25 year old Toyota. I doubt we'll be seeing any Chinese cars that are that durable.
2 airbags and antilock brakes. Good luck, but hey its reliable. What are his priorities?
@@camsmith4047he wants to drive around as cheaply as possible. Nothing wrong with simplicity - if it breaks he can usually fix it himself.
@@camsmith4047he wants to drive around as cheaply as possible. Nothing wrong with simplicity - if it breaks he can usually fix it himself.
In N.America pretty much all the new emissions reducing p u trucks are failing. Be it the usual US crap or even toyota. What the savvy buyer today is buying is the V8 slightly used models. I'm not sure if this mass engine failure is unfortunate or designed but, its real. Buyers are less concerned with frugal gas/ petrol consumption numbers then reliabilty.
But Toyota already have a RAV4 Plug-in hybrid? do you still think ppl shouldnt buy them? with all respect, you should dig deeper in your research before releasing a video
I own the premium model sealion 6. 1.1 per 100km, can only be achieved by charging everyday, so 1.1 is true to that extent. If you dont charge your car at all, then i suspect it is more likely 6L to 8L per 100km of city driving.
I test drove both sealion and rav 4, comfort level Sealion won hands down. Also the premium acceleration is a lot of fun. Tech is also superior, overall a really great car.
Why would you not charge your car at all, beggars belief.
Last year, in Australia, Toyota (alone) sold 118,000 15 year old tech hybrid electric vehicles. The total number of EVs sold in Australia was 91,000. It appears that old tech is more popular than new tech.
I considered buying a RAV4 Hybrid back in 2017. I was astounded to learn that Toyota was still using Nickel-Metal-Hydride for its traction battery. I believe they have switch to Lithium now but they definitely took their time getting there.
Haiya why feature so much of the previous gen Rav 4. At least use the current one.
Still, I love BYD but people do not buy Toyota just for the tech. They are at the top for many reasons. For one, Toyota has always lagged other car companies in terms of outright new tech but that is also what makes them so well built and reliable.
Prius launched in Japan 1997
28 years old
Still going...
Toyota: "We are timeless."
Customers: of course you are - since your time has run out."
Not real world customers but EV fanboys in their bubble.
You’re spot on and you are correct! BYD’s projected profit for 2025 is around $7 billion. Tesla’s estimated profitability is expected @$10 billion. Toyota,is playing catch up and doesn’t benefit from EV subsidies, is holding on with an estimated $30 billion in profits-likely more than the combined profits of the other top four automakers. Of course , Toyota is set to incorporate BYD’s technology-kudos to BYD
In the UK the RAV 4 is available as a plug in hybrid.
the thing is that the electricity from the photovoltaic is not free, as you have to consider the initial investment in the system
Which repays itself in a short time which is why so many solar installations in Australia.
My 15 year old toyota corolla wagon - non hybrid - averages 6.5 to 7.0 litres per 100 km (that's about 34 miles per us gallon, 40 mpg imperial gallon) around town, 5 litres per 100 km on highway. Superb reliability, great resale value. I Am not convinced EV or hybrid has much to offer in the way of economy yet.
There is absolutely NO LOGIC in this video. VIKING you assume that someone will only drive his car total 50km a day to go and back from work. The. Why doesn't he buy a conventional engine car.
PHEV is $20,000 more expensive than conventional car.
$20,000 is more than enough to cover the petrol cost for 20 years if someone drives 50km a day.
Also at the end of 20 years, PHEV will be worthless but conventional car can still fetch few thousand dollar.
YOU MAKE NO SENSE.
Other part is Hybrid is better than PHEV. of someone uses combined electric and conventional driving for 200 km a day, hybrid will consume at least 10% less fuel . Because PHEV is very heavy.
Go make more study. Don't just repeat whay BYD says in your every video.
Too bad, a government with the "Drill, Baby, Drill* mentality like in the USA would not allow BYD PHEV to enter the USA market.
Why admit BYD? Everybody will just buy Teslas?
@JohnSmith-ux3tt Because Tesla is not making PHEVs that many people want, and Tesla BEVs are A LOT more expensive than BYD's.
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt The free enterprise answer to that question is, then why ban BYD? Don't you think consumers can figure out if they've bought good products?
*TOYOTA HAVE A TRACK RECORD GLOBALLY ON RELIABILITY*
The new chinese car's are breaking after 50k miles video's are coming out of china en mass
Best sold vehicle on earth 2024 is RAV4. The thing is it will run for 20 years…..when we see BYD running for 15 years BYD will start to make some sense….my Prius is 8 years old and has yet to show any glitch at all. I am not driving a lot.
My Prius is around 4l/100km.
RAV4 has plugin version I think albeit with small trunk. So you can indeed drive it electric only on short routes.
Sold my 2006 Rav4 with 340.000 miles on it and zero issues, still looks like new. That is why. I doubt BYD can match that quality.
The old dial phone your parents once used can last generations, are you still using it? BYD is now selling more cars than Toyota inside Japan.
Same. I sold my 2006 Corolla to a Co-worker's Son. He crashed it few months after. that thing ran like a champ. Only thing I repair I did was a Belt Tensioner, brakes and tires.
Can BYD cars run 15-20 years without major failure? Maybe, maybe not. But I aint taking a gamble on them because they claim they are better.
@ Stop spreading Mis-information. BYD sold more EV than Toyota in japan. They didn't sell more Cars in Japan.
We aint hating on BYD, There are people who likes New Techs, and there are people who just wants reliable transportation.
But If I am buying an EV, is going to be a Tesla.
@ My mistake. You are right. I bet you could not buy BYD even if you wanted to. Your country is like the last dying dynasty Qing in China when everything foreign was banned. The rest of the world will move forward.
Using Toyota's logic, their cars should stick with 1-cylinder naturally-aspirated engines, 1-speed manual transmissions, solid axle suspensions front and rear, no aircon, no electronics, no power steering or power anything. Less moving parts, older tech is more reliable right?
If it ain’t broke why fix it
Exactly.
What's your beef with Toyota?
Probably frustrating to see a great company just give up on making great EVs.
What's your love affair with Toyota?
Toyota fanboy
They have sponsored a lot of EV and climate change misinformation… that being said a 2nd gen Prius will always be my favorite cheap beater car
They are too successful.
Hey, I drove a RAV 4 for over 20 years. 😉🤣😂
The electric viking is provocing but does not know what he is talking about. Some sort of trolling to get viewers.
Western auto teaming with Chinese EV companies on using their old technology. Toyota using old BYD technology. VW using old XPeng technology. How is this even possible?
Easy peasy, reliability 😂😂😂 Chinese cars=ZERO track record on this matter 😂😂😂
The EV manufacturers are clearly getting rattled because Toyota hybrid sales continues to surge despite not being subsidised by the taxpayers and not needed political intervention to get people to buy their cars, I have owned two Toyota hybrids and they are excellent smooth reliable very fuel efficient and no where near as environmentally damaging as full EVs due to them having a very small but efficient battery and the best part no range anxiety, just fill up and go, hybrids are the future with new fuels EVs are just a fad
It benefits from the 100% tarriff on chinese ev cars, you will see the difference if they are on the same tax rate.
No-plug hybrids still emit too much CO2 to stave off climate change. The grid is getting cleaner every year unless you live in a fossil-ruled country. The batteries are getting better every year. And LFP batteries will be so durable that they'll outlast the car, and then be used in local energy storage installations, and then be recycled for their materials to make new batteries. The power of EV is the ability to accelerate both transportation decarbonization and grid decarbonization at the same time, which are only two of the many things we must do.
But not if we wait and do nothing.
what environmental damage does one create when driving an EV. What the fuck do you think comes out of an exhaust pipe of a petrol car, cancer causing chemicals.
Petrol car has thousands of more parts, what do you think that is made from, paper mache?
This is just a strategy of Chinese car manufacturers, but of course you are spreading this propaganda!
I had pre-ordered a Toyota Atmos, had to pay 2k to cancel my order and then got an EV. I am happy with my choice.
my 1990 or so Mercedes 300e ran for over 300,000 miles with absolutely no repairs.. only minimum maintenance needs of which first 2 years (some 8 services) are free... fuel consumption was comparable to other cars of its weight.. if any, slightly better.. yes, old technology..i wish present e class can be half as reliable.. THIS IS THE REASON WHY OLD TECHNOLOGY IS PREFERRED.. BECAUSE ALL NAGGING PROBLEMS ARE ALREADY SOLVED, MANUFACTURER LEARNT HOW TO MAKE THE CAR LONG-LASTING..
My motor will last for 500 years, indestructible and unrenewed. - Nikola Tesla, 1933. It's a 1 Million Hour Motor - Elon Musk
If everyone is using old technology, why does the price of cars keep increasing? Even accounting for inflation.
How much does the Chinese govt pay you to propagandize for them constantly? Toyota builds really good cars. Your opinions are too one sided so I’m cancelling my subscription.
Electric Viking is the #1 China shill. He's quiet about Norway's plummeting Tesla Market Share, while Toyota, Volkswagen and Nissan are the top 3 lmao.
Reliability. Endless hate continue....
You seem to forgot why Toyota has a Brand Loyalty. Toyota has built any exciting car for decades, people buy Toyota because they had good experience with their Reliability.
Can you tell me if BYD have a Proven Track record of their Cars lasting 20 years or 350,000 km without major Repair?
I am not saying BYD is not reliable, but they simply didn't have the age to prove their reliability yet.
I get 40 mph with my Rav4 hybrid. No BYD where i live
BYD tech + Toyota Quality = perfect
Not just giving money away but also messing up the environment.
Is that why nobody buys them? Oh. Wait. People buy millions of them. The customer is always right - not your competitor.
So CCP propaganda is to be taken at face value. Nothing to see here
Track record says, buy old technology it will last longer. With few problems new technology equals new expensive problems
The challenge in Australia is the SLOW import of available models and australian electrification of infrastructure. We are last to get Plugin Hybrids and charging stations... even though we have power lines everywhere but there are fuel stations every 3 km.... Australian market is the arse end of the world and our gov is all talk, no action.
Magnesium gigacasting is about to replace aluminum to make electric vehicles much cheaper than even current offerings.
RAV4 makes perfect sense if you do not have an option to charge. Then full hybrid is logical choice. If you have an option to charge at home or at , then depending on your driving pattern and infrastucture availability - PHEV or BEV.
The sooner countries ban Toyota oil burners the better
The less new laws the better. Only a fool thinks bans will improve their lives
@@Phonehomefool Less new laws will not stop CO2 from rising faster and faster.
@@warheadsnation CO2 is not a concern, the brain dead people who want to be told what to do are. You're a sucker
I think no countries dare to destroy its relationship with Japan.
Having spent now 5 days in a rental RAV 4 in NZ, I have to agree with Sam. We barely get 30 seconds on EV mode. It is economical compared with our Subaru Outback, and quite nice to drive, but clearly it is a bit of greenwashing going on by Toyota. Thanks for your thoughts Sam
It is complacency + arrogance that is putting Toyota behind BYD. Especially the previous Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda, who is responsible for Toyota's current dire situation.
Sadly, in California which has more cars than people, and EV costs more to operate than a hybrid car if you can't charge at home. Public chargers are 45 cents per Kwhr, and any moment they will add a $1000 to $2000/year tax on EV's for road maintenance.