Here's an important thing that I never mentioned in my little analysis at the end: I knew that Helluva Boss was going to have feels, and it was going to have them very early in the show... But anybody who _didn't_ know that was probably super confused and thrown off by all of this. And I can't blame them, considering the content of the previous two episodes. Edit: I'm getting a few comments saying that Avatar was a bad example because of how Aang learns about the fate of the Air Nomads in like the third episode. Believe me, I thought about that when I wrote this script, and I knew that a few people would point this out. But was that scene one of the _most_ memorable dramatic moments in Avatar? I don't think so. ATLA started the drama small and then worked its way up. The _really_ intense stuff came later in the show.
I want to say this and this is for random game critic I don't hate you for sending the video just like with CinemaSins they're doing it for entertainment and I tell you said you liked this episode I mean hell there's probably stuff I hate about some of my favorite shows and I still like him the people who are hating you or just use of the incredible hardcore fans who honestly see nothing wrong with anything which are incredibly annoying or just trolls so if people give you a hard time just ignore them
You know, in the beginning, I was kinda confused about what you were going to mention in this video, but you actually had alot of solid reasoning here. I'm currently in the process of creating my own original story, and working out character arcs. I feel like these are just good tips for good story telling over all. I can confidently say that I will be adjusting my own story with these in mind. Thank you!
I think Robo Fizz ripping of Charlie's song is both a reference to the pilot and to the fact that Loo Loo Land is a ripoff to her dad's own amusement park so in canon they probably saw the news segment and just decided to steal her song since they already stole from her dad.
Oh, I just thought he was mocking Charlie- I mean like, a lot of demons are rude in Hell, obviously, cause they got sent there for a reason, unless they were born there.
At around when Alistor(i forgot how to spell his name forgive me) sees Charlie's broadcast, you can see a beta-robo fizz hanging upside down in the top left corner
I very much agree with the issues with Baby Octavia’s voice. It was very loud and a bit annoying if I’m being honest. I think the main problem I have with it is the accent. It felt like they weren’t trying for a British accent but rather a weird voice that sounded airy yet somehow nasally at the same time because I actually forgot she was supposed to be British for a minute. I don’t know. Maybe it was bad directing? Maybe it’s just not for me? I can appreciate the effort that goes into voice acting but I’m just not a big fan.
I mean I'm a kid 10 and ever since 7 I had a deep voice WELL not really but when I record it sounds WAY to high pitched or makes me sound younger- But I don't really think it is that weird as long as she wasn't 4 or 6.. cause that would be so something
@@justafanofgorillaz that's what your voice sounds like to other people. the reason it's deeper to you is that the vibrations pass through your skull and everything to reach your ears, so it sounds deeper.
Since I myself am a moody teenager, I felt really bad for Octavia the whole time. I laughed a little at her family, but those were more pity laughs than anything else.
ok but its very obvious that this was NOT the first time her mother started screaming at Stolas. this is clearly a reoccurring issue so its obvious from what she says that this is a problem that her mother has. also i loved how they went ham on the deep emotional stuff early on cause i get SO BORED with shows that take so long to get to the emotional stuff. so so so bored. super glad that we finally got to see some development for Stolas that wasn't that he wants to screw Blitzo all the time. yes that's obviously gonna be a running gag that i love but i was so happy to see him and Octavia. also, the woman Barrett who voices Octavia has a naturally deep voice and some little girls do sound like that. hell, i did as a kid. my voice is naturally deep and it kinda always sounded like that after i turned 4. Octavia is probably like 7 or 8 in the first scene. also, its Hell. that lullaby was spot on with what Via needed at the moment and it was such a spectacular scene.
Right!!! Plus it’s annoying when shows get more edgy as time goes on, because it ends up being completely different than what it was supposed to be (which is something the creator of this episode has complained about before)
@@mothperson1637 if that's the natural story progression and the "edginess" was hinted at in previous seasons, i have no issue with it. like SU which from season 1 had dark themes underneath the happy vibe. or even Gravity Falls which obviously was going in the direction of Weirdmageddon which was hinted at in season 1. or even SvTFOE which had dark themes introduced in season 1 or 2 as well. but at the same time, it took 2 out of 3 of those shows to finally take the gloves off and go ham for their last seasons which i would have loved to see happen earlier. so i was really happy that we got such good character building in episode 2 (Loo Loo Land) and i can't wait for the rest of the cast to get their emotional arc episodes. i didn't think it was too soon, especially since Stolas is a side character and not one of the main 4 (I.M.P.) so we still get to see everyone else get their development too.
I do believe you have a point about the dramatic scene but I respectfully disagree this scene was I think very well placed as someone who had a rocky relationship with their father. These deep conversations can happen in the least likely of places and times. it just takes one bad day with a few bad events to suddenly open the rift. I think helluva boss is establishing that this is a comedy with heart. Even though the office and steven universe started with a lighter tone, and got more dramatic as it went, it does not necessarily mean that other shows would be better in that format. I have found that series that show exactly where they are going 1-4 episodes in have better writing overall. I also don't believe that having a heavy moment early on would take away from moments in the future. We can only learn more and have deeper moments when the characters are more developed. But you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
Yeah I felt the same way, you can make emotional things happen early on, and the the ones after that end up hitting just as hard, and I like the idea of this show having comedy and feels together
That was the first thing I though after I saw the little demon get shot by her! Those two are the most wholesome thing in all of Vizipop's Hell! Man I would have loved to have seen Moxxie pull out his real gun and just go to town blowing away every target without even aiming! But alas Blitz'o is the star of the show lol.
Honestly it make sense, she works in hitman business, if she can’t hit a non moving target two feet away then she shouldn’t really be working there at that business
It’s good that Vivziepop are giving the more controversial characters, like Stolas and Angel Dust, some more personality and backstory. It really makes the show, as a whole, better when you like all of the characters.
You raise a fair point there amigo. My only slight issue with lil' Ocatvia's voice is that she sounds a touch too old for someone who at that point in time is like 5 or 6 where as she sounds like she's 12 at the youngest. Maybe that was just the best they could get, but even then I think they could've pitched the voice up after the recording session.
Yeah but that scene was octavia as like 2-5 years old, and every girl in that age range has a light high pitched baby voice so it’s not realistic technically. as they say “baby octavia” it’s not realistic for a small child to have a voice that low
Same the only one I laughed at was the song and artist name. Mostly I felt bad for her. The contrast from her falling asleep in her father arms to being woken by a marital scwable was to close to home I know that pain.
Maybe you didn't know this or didn't bother to bring it up, but Fizzaroli, the Jester FNaF clown dude, is voiced by Alexander Michael Brightman who plays Beetlejuice in the Broadway. Viv has mentioned (this may be inaccurate but I did read it somewhere) that Fizzaroli was inspired by Beetlejuice so it makes sense that she casts Beetlejuice himself.
I KNEW IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE HIM! I was literally thinking, "wow, this guy can do a great Beetlejuice!" I had NO idea it was the ACTUAL one!!! This is amazing! I wonder how they pulled that off!
I agree about the final scene. I think it would've went better if Octavia had just walked away angry and Stolas caught a glimpse of her face, seeing maybe a tear or two in her eyes. Then he offers her that they go home or apologizes briefly. Then we could still explore their characters, their relationship (not under the lenses of comedy) AND it wouldn't be too much, too soon. Also, it would've set up Stolas's inability to communicate with those he loves. Don't get me wrong, I still love the scene so so much, but I feel like I would've loved it EVER MORE if it came maybe two or three episodes later
As a child who’s father cheated on my mother, Octavia and Stolas’s conversation at the end where Stolas apologizes. That is all I have ever wanted from my dad so it really struck a cord with me.
I'm gonna say I understand where you're coming from with the ending but I do have a few points of my own The ending and the moments leading up to it make much more sense after you watch this episode a few more times and notice more things with the dialogue There were a lot of references to Stolas not listening to 'Via and/or (probably unintentionally) ignoring her (which was finally addressed in the end) *Ex.1* S: Let's go there again! Have a day! Just the two of us!" O: I'd rather kill myself *later* O: home doesn't even feel like home anymore... *you* ruined it... *Ex.2* O: hey...dad...do we have to-? *gets cut off* S: *doesn't even notice that she was talking* *Ex 3* S: You used to cry such tears of joy at this show! Little O: *litteraly crying from fear* Stolas has a problem about not listening to his daughter and She doesn't want to be with stolas because she's mad at him And as a person who has been mad at and has problems with her dad (that I have talked to him about) the ending in this episode and the scenes leading up to is very accurate to me, emotional talks/moments can happen seemingly out of nowhere, even on fun trips to get away from drama (Although the ones I had with my dad involved a lot more crying and focused more on his side of the equation) Being mad at your parents makes you moody, especially when you're already a moody teen and personally I understood why Octavia was saying and doing the things she did Although this is my view and not everyone has had or will have the same experiences I did, so I understand how someone will view it differently
After watching the episode too many times, I can totally see your argument about the roundabout ride scene seeming a bit out of place considering the tone of the rest of the episode and the fact that it’s only the second one. However, I would argue that it was taking an approach similar to _Futurama_ in regards to getting the audience to care about an otherwise one-note-seeming character. Where _Futurama’s_ second (or third? don’t remember off the top of my head) episode, while still being really funny, brought in and really emphasized Bender’s emotional attachment to Fry in an effort to make sure the viewers don’t write him off as just “the drunk asshole,” “Loo Loo Land” went out of its way to get the audience to see that there’s a lot more to _Stolas_ than “the guy with a creepy sexual obsession with Blitzo”: he’s got himself a totally wholesome side and genuine family drama that he’s struggling to deal with. I still care more about the imps and their histories and relationships, but now I’m not completely against Stolas (though I do still take issue with him using Blitzo’s dedication to his business to extort him into having regular sex with him, but I think that’s a different can of worms altogether). On the other hand: “This strangely wasn’t the most chaotic trip to Disneyland that a Brandon Rogers character has been on before.” “When the FUCK did we get to Holland?”
In terms of them playing the emotional drama card a bit too early I agree to a certain extent at least, but as far as how it was executed is where I'd respectfully disagree. Firstly, and granted this one's a bit more of a personal reason mind you, but as someone who initially grew up with parents who hated each other and eventually got divorced and, while I'm at least thankful that me and my brother ended up in my mother's custody and that she at least married a much better person, it still lead to some rather difficult and emotionally sad moments in me and my brother's childhood in spite of my mother's best efforts to care for us. And believe me when I say that, while the build-up could've been made more clear, any emotional outbursts and conversations would sometimes happen in the most unlikely of places and/or circumstances. And while like I said the build-up could've been done a bit better, I do feel as though at the very least the lead-in to it with Stolas following after Octavia into the Fun House after she finally storms off was decently well handled, even with some of the jokes peppered in there. I also respectfully disagree with the idea of it potentially taking away from any other emotional moments in the future, after all, I myself am very confident that, even if I'm willing to grant you that some may not have as big an impact by comparison, they'll most likely only use these emotional moments very sparingly. But at the end of the day that's just me, and hey, you do you no matter what people tell you otherwise.
You know I wish the ending cense was pushed to a different episode. Like I wish they put seeds in this episode and then pays it off in at most the second episode. And also holy shit you made a 200 IQ realization that this is only episode 2. What the fuck are they going to do later in the show, if they choose to do more emotional cense. Yeah this was a very good video and made me realize some of the cracks in episode 2. But I still think in terms of the tonal shift it works, but that’s just personally. I do definitely see where you are coming from.
With all the copyright jokes, I think the one that stood out the most for me was robofizz stealing Charlie's lines, that was way more creative than setting some papers on fire imo.
Oh. So you just happened to be looking at the playlist when I uploaded this, and that's how you got access to the video before anybody else knew that it was there. I'll allow it.
I personally don't agree with the final statement, although I get where you are coming from. The parts that are considered the "flaws" are in fact what makes that scene so great and relatable in my opinion
Loona not being in this episode is how I feel to be a message saying 'stop simping for the 7ft tall hellhound that will most likely kill you in 10 seconds'
I personally like the ending scene and how Stolas struggels to actually name the problem. We know that he's unhappy, even Octavia knows, but he still tries to keep the "happy" wall outside of Stella's tantrums. Someone in the comments of this episode said it was bad writing that he didn't know how to say it straight out. But I think it's very well done. People don't always know how to say something- or to say something else to not hurt someone
I think there are other two explanations 1.As someone mentions in the comments she missed on purpouse to make moxxie feel better 2.There is difference between heavy pistol and plastic toy so the foam fired by it did not reach where the real bullet would have hit ;D
Now that you mention it... That _was_ a pretty flat delivery, especially for Via's very last line before she storms off to go and cry by herself. I guess that Moxxie's line jumped out at me because I played the preview clip so many times before the actual episode aired lol.
yeah, her british accent sort of turned into a weird mix of a scottish accent and a British accent, but the actress who voices her isn’t actually British so idk if it’s her fault
I was ready to be pissed. But I do agree with some points. ESPECIALLY at the end. The episode wasn't "rushed" more so I felt like the delivery of drama was rushed. I thought it'd just be a happy go lucky show with dark humor, but I was immediately stuck in a pit of confusion when I almost cried at the ending scene lmao.
I really like that this guy isn't afraid of sharing how he actually feels about the episode. He realizes that opinions are justified and anyone who attacks him for not sharing their opinion are absolute morons.
i have a feeling that lullaby wasn't an illusion and he really just blew up a solar system just for Octi because thats just how Stolas works in this episode
About Spindlehorse having to continue to climb with emotional moments after setting the bar in this episode, I don't think that will be too difficult. After all, we only really got Octavia and Stolas' drama. We didn't get Stolas and Stella's drama (explanation-wise), which could potentially lead to more Octavia and Stolas drama, especially since we know Stolas plans to sleep with Blitzo once a month every month and Stella's no doubt going to continue being pissed at that. With how angry Stella can get, I imagine Stolas might start spending time outside of the palace which could plant some seeds of doubt in Octavia's mind that Stolas was genuine in this episode (obviously, this would have to happen, many, _many_ episodes in the future). I think the scene could have been a tiny bit less emotional but the set up for an explanation on Stolas and Stella's relationship was something I really liked.
I think they are also hoping you read the Instagram profiles. If you've seen Stolas' Instagram then you would know that Octavia made it for him, and the first batch of uploads where mainly him and Octavia hanging out, then at the posts dated a month prior to the pilot, Octavia is out and it's just Stolas or Stolas and Blitzo. The issue though is that Octavia's Instagram didn't unlock until after the episode aired and her first post was back dated to 2 months prior to the first episode, however she does show that Stolas has been at least trying to talk to her for the last 2 months, to a year because she shows that Stolas had sent her an Astrology book, and her post reads "Another gift from Dad. Why does he keep sending me these?" So she probably wants to talk to her dad but feels she isn't being entirely listened too. Which is also shown in two other posts, one where she is working on a song (I think called Listen to Me), and another where she is venting that Stolas wouldn't let her go to a Concert, despite him saying he would let her do anything, within reason as long as it made her happy.
That's cool, but I don't think that I should have to follow a dozen different instagram accounts in order to prepare for the show. The show should be able to stand on its own.
So I'm writing this with the benefit of having seen through ep 7 (having come late to this show, I got to binge the pilot and eps all at the same time), but I wanted to respond to the point you make at about 7:05, where you talk about how it's "too early" in the show to have dramatic/emotional moments in a comedy series, and then you list several other shows that have followed that pattern. I think that's one of the things that is refreshing about HB. We've already seen the story beats a million times before, as you show in your montage. We've all already seen countless media that follows the exact same story pattern. And it's very dull and stale. You say, "the fact that this show has heart could have been a much bigger surprise if they had just bene more patient with the heavy drama." But we've seen that pacing before! We've seen it over and over and over again, it's trite and BORING. I love that the show is amping things up and going beyond that, to somewhere new. And maybe the heart isn't supposed to be a big surprise. Maybe the point is, we're supposed to see the comedy of it AND the pain of it at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive. HB is "rushing" a bit, one could argue, but by ep 7, it's taken the emotional aspect to a truly new and unexpected place (and unlike you, I think the foreshadowing is really clear in these early eps, but again, I saw them all at once and not over a period of a year like most of the fandom). It's NEW, it feels fresh and unique, like something we haven't seen before. It isn't perfect, I'm not saying that, but I can't really recall a show that is showing the pain and reality of a dynamic like Blitzo's and Stolas'. My jaw has just dropped at seeing a show--let alone an independently created cartoon--decide to tackle these extremely difficult concepts around sex, kink, shame, desire, and trust. A free cartoon handling serious BDSM relationship issues? HOLY CRAP YES PLEASE. You can argue it wasn't well foreshadowed (I personally disagree) but at least it's something fresh and new, and not the same emotional story beats we see over and over and over again. It feels like progression, like development, and I like it. That they dare to handle these complex topics around sex, trust, consent, family and more is so refreshing. You don't see it in most of the corporate-produced media. I'm glad we're not getting the same story beats. Now, it doesn't excuse poor storytelling, and I think you've hit some fair critiques of the writing. But, I think overall the storytelling is really strong, and it feels like a fresh, new story. Which is pretty damn hard to pull off. I mean, why watch the exact same emotional arc you've seen a thousand times before, when you can have a NEW emotional arc? I kind of hate to say this, but I'm going to put it out here anyway: I think partially it comes down to the fundamental differences in the way men in general tell stories, and how women in general tell stories. It's not about better or superior or correct, it's just a difference. Now, this is very broad categorization, and it isn't applicable to individuals, you can always find exceptions; I'm talking roughly as a group. There are remarkably few female showrunners in corporate media; most of it has been generated by men. (I'm not saying this as a moral judgment, it's just fact. Historically in US, entertainment is created by men, for a mainly male audience. This isn't disputable, any overview of Hollywood's history will make this readily apparent. That group is also, again not as a moral judgment or castigation, but as fact, that group has also been predominantly white and heterosexual.) And we women can tell the difference. I'd also point to shows like "30 Rock" and, more relevantly, "Tuca and Bertie," which is written by women of color. (The Steven Universe showrunner is a woman [or rather, an individual who identifies as NB but uses she/her and also they/them pronouns], but she learned the ropes on Adventure Time, which was run by a man, so it makes sense that its emotional development would be defined by that experience, because that's where Sugar learned her trade.) The storytelling and the emotional beats are different. I know Brandon Rogers is also writing with Viz, but he's gay, and while Teh Gayz have been in media for longer (but had to be carefully, or not so carefully, hidden), their storytelling beats are likewise different. Again, this isn't a matter of superiority, or right or wrong, or anything else, it's a statement. I think we can all agree that, in the past, US media has been created by straight white men. Today, we're seeing more diversity, and I think that's a positive, because you get different stories, and this is one of them. I don't want to start, like, an argument or debate about this. I'm just saying, I think one of the reasons why I really love this show is it feels more like it was written for me, the same way I really enjoy "Tuca and Bertie," for example. I just resonant more with female writers (IN SOME WAYS). It doesn't mean they're better, or that I hate media created by men. I enjoy a lot of media created by men. But I think that's a key reason why the emotional development is moving at a different pace, and why you, who I presume to be a man, find it somewhat jarring. You're more used to, more attuned to, pacing we've seen in most of our other media, because it was created by people who are more like you. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, good and bad don't factor into it. I'm just offering it as an explanation as why people (male or female, gay or straight, of any ethnicity) react to media the way they do. It's very broad and generalized, but I think it's a reasonable framework to anchor one's self to.
Every tv show doesn't need to be exactly the same. The ending was great. I loved the ending. Just because Steven Universe did it differently doesn't mean it's bad.
I've been with this show since the very beginning. I've also been following these EEW videos from the very beginning. Looking back on these videos, it was really an omen of things to come honsetly. You saw the cracks in Helluva Boss way before those cracks broke. And the fandom didn't take the cracks you pointed out seriously until it all came crashing down in season 2, where they now have hindsight and are seeing the cracks in season 1 that were an omen of what was come. I never had super high expectations for Helluva. Ever. I never was a super fan or anything like that. My main goal when watching this show is fun, so the bad writing doesn't bother me how it does for other people. The fans werre let down, I simply never was. And it's honestly because of your EEW videos. Like I said, I followed along your videos from the literal pilot came out. And all these points you have made, either I agree with, or don't agree with but i completely understand. And I've always been this way. Ive always seen the cracks in this show how you did. Its just a shame that no one took your warnings until the cracks fell apart. What I'm basically saying it, it's insane how right you were all along, and no one has listened until now.
Honestly I think it’s good we got all that early on. Stolas wouldn’t be portrayed as the character he is if he didn’t have all this development here first. Also, the people on this team don’t even know if they’re going to get that many episodes to give that kind of build up. Not being contrary, but i thought this emotional beat was perfectly handled.
@@RandomGameCritic if there is a dislike button for a video, then why do u make reaction videos about it when its literally just focusing on the character' backstory. that makes no sense. not even the most famous youtubers make videos about something, take sssniperwolf for example she may make reaction videos but on more important things than animations and will actually point out things that are actually wrong or bad. while ur just pointing out the things u dont like in general. there is nothing wrong with the pilots or episodes it just introducing character and revealing their backstories while being entertainment for adults, or people in general. that is the main point u are missing, sniperwolf literally has said in her videos "i dislike it but im not gonna comment on it" this is just my opinion no hate on u or ur channel i just think making reaction videos for something like this is just pointless and stupid.
1:07 OMG, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I always feel like I'm getting annoyed for no reason whenever I see the eyes clipping threw the hair in Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel. Its kinda refreshing to see someone else isn't a fan of that style either 😅.
I also want to add something to your critical review that also dampens this episode: Vivzie made Stolas the good guy. In this situation IRL, Stolas cheated on his wife and is looking to continue doing that. He is a grade A bad guy. But with writing Stella being more angry at the fact he slept with an Imp, writing Stolas not seeing his little girl as a teenager, and that ending scene, she has completely written Stolas in a bright light. Now the fans love him and wanna see Stolas as this amazing dad character (though to be fair I've seen some rare Stella love in the fandom). Glossing over the reason Octavia is in this situation WAS the cheating.
I just want to point out that when talking about comedy shows that had big feels later and how it's to early for this in the second episode he showed a pic of Avatar the Last Airbender as if to prove his point, but episode 3 (which is almost like episode 2 cause of the first episode being a 2 parter) they covered the genocide of the main character's people with a strong, powerful emotional moment
Being someone that likes to watch someone else from the internet criticize different forms of "art," I can say that this was a pleasure to watch. I even tried to scan for any mistakes myself before watching, and it turned out that I was missing out on a LOT. Nonetheless in my opinion, this was a fantastic episode. Great lines, deliveries, artwork, the list goes on. I really have nothing negative to say here, but I'm glad you did explain everything going on from the previous episodes, and keep this up. Cheers to a new year!
But they were building up to that ending. I really disagree on your analysis there, cause if you watch Octavia throughout the episode it's pretty clear she's becoming increasingly frustrated/upset. The second to last straw being when she's banging her fist on the bench in emotional agony during Fizz's song.
To be quite honest, I feel like viv shouldn't have made the characters official intsagram accounts and have background lore and plot on those. On stolas' Instagram, we see he's unhappy with his wife, but happy with blitzø, he's clearly staying with Stella as an attempt to keep Octavia happy. He's also Royalty, and that kind of thing is probably a touchy subject in hell. I agree that it's too soon for feels, I want to get to know the family dynamic more before I have to immediately jump on Octavia and stolas' side. Stella is not fleshed out, and she seems very neglectful presently, but the family photos suggest otherwise. There's so much content on these characters instagrams that need to be seen before watching these episodes and I think it's a very poor choice. I think viv used it as a way to keep fans entertained.
There's nothing wrong with the fact that these Instagram accounts exist. But it becomes a problem when the Instagram accounts are vital for understanding the episodes.
I disagree that the Stolas-Octavia moment wasnt built up at all, but I totally agree that they should have saved this scene for much later in the show’s lifetime so the scene can really gut punch us and make us actually care about stolas. Maybe if they ended the episode with octavia making a snide aside about stolas’ immature behavior and out of touch ideas on cheering her up, it would preserve the throughline of the episode without rushing their conflict resolution, and we could possibly have a moment where Stolas looks between the burning park and his daughter with some flickers of guilt and concern across his face before moving back to focus on the imps or even ending there.
I'm suprised you didn't mention how much of a curveball it was that Blitz(o) was part of the circus before becoming a hitman. That's like if Agent 47 worked at a McDonald's before being a hitman.
I feel like Millie will end up getting an episode because of that one scene where she talked a bit about her family. This is the first insight into who Millie is and I feel like it's hinting at a future episode. Another thing I noticed is that not only is she a mystery to us but she might be a bit of a mystery to Moxie since he was the one she was talking about her family to. He's her husband so you would think he would know this about her, but it came as a surprise to him which I found intriguing. I'm hoping I am correct in my assumption because we really don't know much about her or any of the other characters really.
I really hope that we'll have a Millie focused episode, we need to know more about her! In episode 1 and 2 she wasn't doing much, it was frustrating, she needs more screentime
If I had a nickel for every time this man made a reference to Phineas and Ferb as a sin, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
You actually brought up a really good point with the end scene I REALLY hope that this series doesn't turn into a drama alert they are doing so well so far
Bruh, I just recently watched Phineas and Ferb The Movie Accross The 2nd Dimension; and after that watched this. When you said If I had a nickel for every time-- I laughed too hard JSBDJDBSJDBSJSBDJDB!! That was also Doofenshmirtz's line 😭😂😭😂💯💯💯
2 things: 1.- I like your pic of Hollow Knight 2.- Your base for critique is, in fact, Good and solid. Taking the format from cinemaSins and use it as both a way to critic some flaws of a show yet also adding that some are just little jokes to "pad the runtime" and the fact that you point it out make the video more enjoyable. Thanks for that.
I don't f****** care what anyone says, everything will be okay from the beginning of the episode is awesome and if anyone tries to attack it I will smite thee down with Fury and anger. Fear me and do not insult this song
@@derpydevilolidk thats what i heard, and understood from the joke. He says "Oh what a mouth" looking exactly like he is remembering something we can barely guess, and then he becomes annoyed because of that memory, + the poster from some seconds ago
I definitely get what you mean man. Your criticism is actually in my opinion helpful. If the producer of any ( movie, series, or (virtually anything that has to do with entertainment.) has to have critics to point out the faults, in order to make the show EVEN BETTER. Think of it as a hunk of steel. If you heat it up and pound on it and sharpen it, you’ll wind up with a Really SHARP and BEAUTIFUL SWORD. Love your stuff man don’t listen to those dum haters!!! Ps. You’re definitely right about the emotional stuff coming in to soon.....
Honestly i agree with everything you said about the ending. its gorgeously shot, framed and drawn but its just not earned or accurate to the episodes tone. And you pulled attention to that while actually complimenting the scene itself. That's how amazing criticism is done
Lol I felt bad of Octavia the entire episode because my parents are going through a divorce and I have woken up to them arguing and trying to eat in peace with music. Plus my dad talks about and flirts with other women when I’m out with him and I’ve just been through her day so I actually took it seriously💀
On the note of drama, avatar started kicking you in the feels by episode three... as to final scene build up- it felt genuine to me despite the laughs... but- opinions as they say...
I put off watching this video because I thought it would make me more aware of the bad things and would distract me but I thank you for pointing out Waldo
Completely agree about the Octavia and Stolas scene. Felt way too rushed and that the show was just trying to check mark its usual comedy and dark humor with an extremely unearned emotional beat at the end that was out of place.
Something to point out as someone who just watches the show and no outside content, not even twitter: The first time I watched _that_ scene, i seriously thought "Why do I care?" don't get me wrong, I love the characters and it makes me really sad to see Octavia suffer, but honestly, 3 episodes, we knew Octavia for one, and Stolas was the "h**ny owl" most of his running time. So I get what you are saying, it happened too fast, and we don't know these characters.
I can agree with most parts of this ( especially the emotional feels scene part ) but what more could’ve happened if blitzo̸ didn’t crash through the roof in the milly and moxie carnival scene . I could see like a dull comedy skit happening there but that overall wouldn’t be a good replacement considering if there was something like that you’d probably add like 3-5 more sins . Not hating I’m just saying what would probably happen
I thought this would just be random ramblings that didn’t really hold any substances but I’m glad it included actual ‘sins’ and pointed out good things about it too
one thing. mp3 player could be pulled out from that "treasure chest" right next to bed. So it might been better before cuts, where she could just like trash around in that box to find mp3, and then wear it, but I agree we missing a second there. but I disagree that last scenes don't fit. This episode is meant to be emotional roller-coaster. Blitz + fitz scenes also quickly change from sad blitz past shown for a second to pure lol. I feel like we could have few more seconds of worried dad to flush previous emotion before this scene. Near Octavia sad part.
I feel like I can spring between comedy and drama when watching a show on a dime. Sometimes, the fact that I am laughing about a situation moments ago makes it hit home all the harder when the actual damage is revealed. Its all fun and games until someone actually gets hurt.
I hate when people who do these type of content have to properly explain what they mean. He is obviously not trying to say this show is bad. The small sins are just for laughs and not entirely serious while the longer ones are actually something he has a problem with. Like, do people think that just because something is good, it doesn't have bad parts? A critic job is to point out the good and bad parts, and in EWW, in my opinion, they point out the bad while also making a few cracks at insignificant things. After stating that, let me tell my opinion of the nitpicks you chose: - While i liked Baby Octavia voice, when i heard the older Octavia voice, i thought the former was a bit deeper and thats the only problem i have with the voice. - I did notice that Moxxie voice sounded like he was reading from the script and not actually voice acting, but then i thought that he was just explaining and wasn't that terrified by theme parks. - The funny scene cut short would have been bad if we Blitz suddendly appeared, but since we saw him in the background, we already knew what was going to happen. I agree that there could have been a funny scene beforehand and i actually wanted to see what Millie would do. - I agree with you on the emotional scene being a bit too early, but im positive that we won't have one for a while and when we get used to the comedy, they are going to hit us with another impactful scene.
Bruh I love these videos and I love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. I don’t know why but by the looks of the comments you showed, a lot of the people in your comments failed to understand you’re as much of a fan as I am of Vivziepop’s stuff and don’t know (despite you explaining in one of the videos - I don’t remember which) that these are more parodies of cinemasins than actual cinemasins, with some minor harmless criticism that still allows everyone to enjoy the show and also thoroughly appreciating it at the same time
I can respect your opinion..but that scene where Octavia and stolas talked really hit me and made me cry. My family is like Octavias a lot and its one of my favorites and episode 3. It hurt but felt good when i saw she actually talked to her dad. My dad doesn't take the time to spend time with me or take the time to actually talk. It felt good to see it and how they took on a broken family. Just my opinion like yours is too. And i never laughed at the broken family bits besides the phone call. That might just be me and relating to having a broken family.
4:32 Have you shot more than one gun? It takes some getting used-to to being able to make your shots with a model (or ammunition) you haven't gotten the experience with already. Plus, carny pressure guns aren't exactly all that similar to regular firearms outside of shape, so there is also that.
Personally, I respectfully disagree on your shared complaint with both this episode and the Addict music video. Adding hints and layers of more mature themes and character exploration early on allows the audience to get used to those elements of the show so it doesn't come off as jarring later on in the series when more dramatic and heavy stuff comes later.
I agree with you on the ending scene. I felt it was too early, im not saying I disliked it but, my reason for this is thus: To me, Robo Fizz took away from the Stolas and Octavia plot. I think this episode wouldve worked better if it was more focused on Robo Fizz. I'm not just saying that because he is my favorite character, but I'm saying it because 80% of the people who I watched reacting to this had more to say about fizzaroli than Octavia and Stolas. But I still think this was by far the best animation I've seen out of Vivzes other works.
before watching this the only complaint i have abt the ending scene is how i wish they couldve moved the scene wherein octavia tells stolas that “hes pretty ok at times” to a later episode since it felt like it was just shoehorned in there way more than the supposed “feels trip” scene right before it. but after watching your review, i comlletely agree with just moving the entire two scenes to a later episode instead.
Forgot a sin . It's a small detail but it has always annoyed me : WHY in the flashback of robofizz flashback is little Octavia in her pijama she is outside why is she in her pijama? Like i know that stolas seems like the type of father who can barely say "no " to his kid but do you mean to tell me that he would be okay with his kid going to an amusement park in her pijama ? , And Stella specifically dosent seems like she would allow her kid to go out in their pijama. Like i know it's a small , unnecessary detail but the dress that little Octavia had in the kitchen picture was SO FRICKING ADORABLE WHY COULDN'T WE SEE THAT IN THE ROBOFIZZ FLASHBACK?
Here's an important thing that I never mentioned in my little analysis at the end: I knew that Helluva Boss was going to have feels, and it was going to have them very early in the show... But anybody who _didn't_ know that was probably super confused and thrown off by all of this. And I can't blame them, considering the content of the previous two episodes.
Edit: I'm getting a few comments saying that Avatar was a bad example because of how Aang learns about the fate of the Air Nomads in like the third episode. Believe me, I thought about that when I wrote this script, and I knew that a few people would point this out. But was that scene one of the _most_ memorable dramatic moments in Avatar? I don't think so. ATLA started the drama small and then worked its way up. The _really_ intense stuff came later in the show.
I want to say this and this is for random game critic I don't hate you for sending the video just like with CinemaSins they're doing it for entertainment and I tell you said you liked this episode I mean hell there's probably stuff I hate about some of my favorite shows and I still like him the people who are hating you or just use of the incredible hardcore fans who honestly see nothing wrong with anything which are incredibly annoying or just trolls so if people give you a hard time just ignore them
You know, in the beginning, I was kinda confused about what you were going to mention in this video, but you actually had alot of solid reasoning here. I'm currently in the process of creating my own original story, and working out character arcs. I feel like these are just good tips for good story telling over all. I can confidently say that I will be adjusting my own story with these in mind. Thank you!
i just wanna say in the first episode sin count jou said solus woud do a song and damn you were right and i love you're content
You bring up ATLA for the dramatic scenes and I must bring up episode tales of ba sing se
@@durzahellfire5732 look at the screenshot that I chose when I brought up ATLA.
The 5 day week makes sense... its hell. There are no Weekends.
Holy crap... That's absolutely brilliant if that's what the intention was.
@@RandomGameCritic i genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm lol.
@@trustwaterstone It's not.
@@RandomGameCritic At least we can remove a sin in our heads
plus saturday and sunday are like... holy days. nobody wants that in hell
I think Robo Fizz ripping of Charlie's song is both a reference to the pilot and to the fact that Loo Loo Land is a ripoff to her dad's own amusement park so in canon they probably saw the news segment and just decided to steal her song since they already stole from her dad.
exactly! its the ring of Greed, so what do they do better than to steal and rip off stuff from other people?
Oh, I just thought he was mocking Charlie- I mean like, a lot of demons are rude in Hell, obviously, cause they got sent there for a reason, unless they were born there.
@@kokichiouma5193
i think he was both copying her and mocking her
At around when Alistor(i forgot how to spell his name forgive me) sees Charlie's broadcast, you can see a beta-robo fizz hanging upside down in the top left corner
Baby Octavia's voice sounds like they forgot to pitch it up after recording it.
Yay I agree with you.
I very much agree with the issues with Baby Octavia’s voice. It was very loud and a bit annoying if I’m being honest. I think the main problem I have with it is the accent. It felt like they weren’t trying for a British accent but rather a weird voice that sounded airy yet somehow nasally at the same time because I actually forgot she was supposed to be British for a minute. I don’t know. Maybe it was bad directing? Maybe it’s just not for me? I can appreciate the effort that goes into voice acting but I’m just not a big fan.
in my opinion the voice is fine
I mean I'm a kid 10 and ever since 7 I had a deep voice WELL not really but when I record it sounds WAY to high pitched or makes me sound younger- But I don't really think it is that weird as long as she wasn't 4 or 6.. cause that would be so something
@@justafanofgorillaz that's what your voice sounds like to other people. the reason it's deeper to you is that the vibrations pass through your skull and everything to reach your ears, so it sounds deeper.
Since I myself am a moody teenager, I felt really bad for Octavia the whole time. I laughed a little at her family, but those were more pity laughs than anything else.
Same
yeah, it didn't really occur to me that it was supposed to be funny
ok but its very obvious that this was NOT the first time her mother started screaming at Stolas. this is clearly a reoccurring issue so its obvious from what she says that this is a problem that her mother has. also i loved how they went ham on the deep emotional stuff early on cause i get SO BORED with shows that take so long to get to the emotional stuff. so so so bored. super glad that we finally got to see some development for Stolas that wasn't that he wants to screw Blitzo all the time. yes that's obviously gonna be a running gag that i love but i was so happy to see him and Octavia. also, the woman Barrett who voices Octavia has a naturally deep voice and some little girls do sound like that. hell, i did as a kid. my voice is naturally deep and it kinda always sounded like that after i turned 4. Octavia is probably like 7 or 8 in the first scene. also, its Hell. that lullaby was spot on with what Via needed at the moment and it was such a spectacular scene.
Right!!! Plus it’s annoying when shows get more edgy as time goes on, because it ends up being completely different than what it was supposed to be (which is something the creator of this episode has complained about before)
@@mothperson1637 if that's the natural story progression and the "edginess" was hinted at in previous seasons, i have no issue with it. like SU which from season 1 had dark themes underneath the happy vibe. or even Gravity Falls which obviously was going in the direction of Weirdmageddon which was hinted at in season 1. or even SvTFOE which had dark themes introduced in season 1 or 2 as well. but at the same time, it took 2 out of 3 of those shows to finally take the gloves off and go ham for their last seasons which i would have loved to see happen earlier. so i was really happy that we got such good character building in episode 2 (Loo Loo Land) and i can't wait for the rest of the cast to get their emotional arc episodes. i didn't think it was too soon, especially since Stolas is a side character and not one of the main 4 (I.M.P.) so we still get to see everyone else get their development too.
@@mothperson1637 i thought helluva boss was comedy because hazbin will be dark
I do believe you have a point about the dramatic scene but I respectfully disagree
this scene was I think very well placed as someone who had a rocky relationship with their father. These deep conversations can happen in the least likely of places and times. it just takes one bad day with a few bad events to suddenly open the rift.
I think helluva boss is establishing that this is a comedy with heart. Even though the office and steven universe started with a lighter tone, and got more dramatic as it went, it does not necessarily mean that other shows would be better in that format. I have found that series that show exactly where they are going 1-4 episodes in have better writing overall. I also don't believe that having a heavy moment early on would take away from moments in the future. We can only learn more and have deeper moments when the characters are more developed. But you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.
Yeah I felt the same way, you can make emotional things happen early on, and the the ones after that end up hitting just as hard, and I like the idea of this show having comedy and feels together
OPINIONS BRO RESPECT EM
This is exactly how i felt
Took the words right out my mouth. I love how the show is going so far and can't wait to both laugh and feel.
These are his opinions. Idk why your getting so upset?
I’m thinking Millie might’ve missed her shot on purpose at the game to make Moxie feel better. Maybe, maybe not
i honestly hope so now that you mention it cuz thats wholesome
That was the first thing I though after I saw the little demon get shot by her! Those two are the most wholesome thing in all of Vizipop's Hell! Man I would have loved to have seen Moxxie pull out his real gun and just go to town blowing away every target without even aiming! But alas Blitz'o is the star of the show lol.
Honestly it make sense, she works in hitman business, if she can’t hit a non moving target two feet away then she shouldn’t really be working there at that business
@@vulpixgrant this sounds like an epic Matrix moment where they both go full Neo mode.
I mean, they already have cool outfit with sunglasses and stuff
@@vulpixgrant then again, pulling out real gun, or some super-buffed-overkilling gun is really seems like plagiarised version of “Despicable Me”
It’s good that Vivziepop are giving the more controversial characters, like Stolas and Angel Dust, some more personality and backstory. It really makes the show, as a whole, better when you like all of the characters.
Some females sounds like guys so to me it's realistic which is fine for me
You raise a fair point there amigo. My only slight issue with lil' Ocatvia's voice is that she sounds a touch too old for someone who at that point in time is like 5 or 6 where as she sounds like she's 12 at the youngest. Maybe that was just the best they could get, but even then I think they could've pitched the voice up after the recording session.
Yeah but that scene was octavia as like 2-5 years old, and every girl in that age range has a light high pitched baby voice so it’s not realistic technically. as they say “baby octavia” it’s not realistic for a small child to have a voice that low
Like me, I got a deep voice for a woman that I’ve made people wonder if I’m a boy or girl.
@@KingGargantuas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when I was twelve everyone thought I had a grown man voice, I'm sure similar things happen to females
OHHHHH GUYS HE DISNT GET IT WHOOOOOOOOOOA
For me, I didnt really laugh at most of the edgy Octavia jokes, I mostly just felt bad for her, so maybe the emotional transition was easier for me?
Same the only one I laughed at was the song and artist name. Mostly I felt bad for her.
The contrast from her falling asleep in her father arms to being woken by a marital scwable was to close to home I know that pain.
@@ALunarLight honestly same :(
You and me both.
Exactly!
@@ALunarLight I think it's easier to feel bad for someone when you can relate to them
I liked the ending. I think Viziepop is just trying to be different.
Maybe you didn't know this or didn't bother to bring it up, but Fizzaroli, the Jester FNaF clown dude, is voiced by Alexander Michael Brightman who plays Beetlejuice in the Broadway.
Viv has mentioned (this may be inaccurate but I did read it somewhere) that Fizzaroli was inspired by Beetlejuice so it makes sense that she casts Beetlejuice himself.
I KNEW IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE HIM! I was literally thinking, "wow, this guy can do a great Beetlejuice!" I had NO idea it was the ACTUAL one!!! This is amazing! I wonder how they pulled that off!
Who else could do such a good chaotic demon other than Alex Brightman!
That beetlejuice isn't the real beetlejuice
Clearly you've never seen the movie.
@@brokenchalk1607 true
I agree about the final scene. I think it would've went better if Octavia had just walked away angry and Stolas caught a glimpse of her face, seeing maybe a tear or two in her eyes. Then he offers her that they go home or apologizes briefly. Then we could still explore their characters, their relationship (not under the lenses of comedy) AND it wouldn't be too much, too soon. Also, it would've set up Stolas's inability to communicate with those he loves.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the scene so so much, but I feel like I would've loved it EVER MORE if it came maybe two or three episodes later
so in other words they kinda blonw their load too soon?
As a child who’s father cheated on my mother, Octavia and Stolas’s conversation at the end where Stolas apologizes. That is all I have ever wanted from my dad so it really struck a cord with me.
RandomGameCritic be like:
EVERYTHING
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DUH...
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I'm gonna say
I understand where you're coming from with the ending but I do have a few points of my own
The ending and the moments leading up to it make much more sense after you watch this episode a few more times and notice more things with the dialogue
There were a lot of references to Stolas not listening to 'Via and/or (probably unintentionally) ignoring her (which was finally addressed in the end)
*Ex.1*
S: Let's go there again! Have a day! Just the two of us!"
O: I'd rather kill myself
*later*
O: home doesn't even feel like home anymore... *you* ruined it...
*Ex.2*
O: hey...dad...do we have to-? *gets cut off*
S: *doesn't even notice that she was talking*
*Ex 3*
S: You used to cry such tears of joy at this show!
Little O: *litteraly crying from fear*
Stolas has a problem about not listening to his daughter and She doesn't want to be with stolas because she's mad at him
And as a person who has been mad at and has problems with her dad (that I have talked to him about) the ending in this episode and the scenes leading up to is very accurate to me, emotional talks/moments can happen seemingly out of nowhere, even on fun trips to get away from drama (Although the ones I had with my dad involved a lot more crying and focused more on his side of the equation)
Being mad at your parents makes you moody, especially when you're already a moody teen and personally I understood why Octavia was saying and doing the things she did
Although this is my view and not everyone has had or will have the same experiences I did, so I understand how someone will view it differently
After watching the episode too many times, I can totally see your argument about the roundabout ride scene seeming a bit out of place considering the tone of the rest of the episode and the fact that it’s only the second one. However, I would argue that it was taking an approach similar to _Futurama_ in regards to getting the audience to care about an otherwise one-note-seeming character. Where _Futurama’s_ second (or third? don’t remember off the top of my head) episode, while still being really funny, brought in and really emphasized Bender’s emotional attachment to Fry in an effort to make sure the viewers don’t write him off as just “the drunk asshole,” “Loo Loo Land” went out of its way to get the audience to see that there’s a lot more to _Stolas_ than “the guy with a creepy sexual obsession with Blitzo”: he’s got himself a totally wholesome side and genuine family drama that he’s struggling to deal with. I still care more about the imps and their histories and relationships, but now I’m not completely against Stolas (though I do still take issue with him using Blitzo’s dedication to his business to extort him into having regular sex with him, but I think that’s a different can of worms altogether).
On the other hand:
“This strangely wasn’t the most chaotic trip to Disneyland that a Brandon Rogers character has been on before.”
“When the FUCK did we get to Holland?”
In terms of them playing the emotional drama card a bit too early I agree to a certain extent at least, but as far as how it was executed is where I'd respectfully disagree. Firstly, and granted this one's a bit more of a personal reason mind you, but as someone who initially grew up with parents who hated each other and eventually got divorced and, while I'm at least thankful that me and my brother ended up in my mother's custody and that she at least married a much better person, it still lead to some rather difficult and emotionally sad moments in me and my brother's childhood in spite of my mother's best efforts to care for us. And believe me when I say that, while the build-up could've been made more clear, any emotional outbursts and conversations would sometimes happen in the most unlikely of places and/or circumstances. And while like I said the build-up could've been done a bit better, I do feel as though at the very least the lead-in to it with Stolas following after Octavia into the Fun House after she finally storms off was decently well handled, even with some of the jokes peppered in there. I also respectfully disagree with the idea of it potentially taking away from any other emotional moments in the future, after all, I myself am very confident that, even if I'm willing to grant you that some may not have as big an impact by comparison, they'll most likely only use these emotional moments very sparingly. But at the end of the day that's just me, and hey, you do you no matter what people tell you otherwise.
You know I wish the ending cense was pushed to a different episode. Like I wish they put seeds in this episode and then pays it off in at most the second episode. And also holy shit you made a 200 IQ realization that this is only episode 2. What the fuck are they going to do later in the show, if they choose to do more emotional cense. Yeah this was a very good video and made me realize some of the cracks in episode 2. But I still think in terms of the tonal shift it works, but that’s just personally. I do definitely see where you are coming from.
To be fair, Vivzie has said she has everything planned out. So, I'm pretty sure she has a reason for doing scenes like this so early.
With all the copyright jokes, I think the one that stood out the most for me was robofizz stealing Charlie's lines, that was way more creative than setting some papers on fire imo.
i was literally about to watch the "everything wrong with" for episode 1 then this came out
how convenient
This video is still unlisted how tf are you watching this lol
@@RandomGameCritic it appeared on the playlist of “everything wrong with hazbin hotel/helluva boss” for some reason lol
Oh. So you just happened to be looking at the playlist when I uploaded this, and that's how you got access to the video before anybody else knew that it was there.
I'll allow it.
Okay then
@@RandomGameCritic in our defense, I found this in my recommendations lol
0:50 well obviously in hell there’d be no weekends
I personally don't agree with the final statement, although I get where you are coming from. The parts that are considered the "flaws" are in fact what makes that scene so great and relatable in my opinion
Loona not being in this episode is how I feel to be a message saying 'stop simping for the 7ft tall hellhound that will most likely kill you in 10 seconds'
I personally like the ending scene and how Stolas struggels to actually name the problem. We know that he's unhappy, even Octavia knows, but he still tries to keep the "happy" wall outside of Stella's tantrums. Someone in the comments of this episode said it was bad writing that he didn't know how to say it straight out. But I think it's very well done. People don't always know how to say something- or to say something else to not hurt someone
The reason why Millie missed the shot at the carnival and hit the imp as because she had a different eye closed when shooting.
I think there are other two explanations
1.As someone mentions in the comments she missed on purpouse to make moxxie feel better
2.There is difference between heavy pistol and plastic toy so the foam fired by it did not reach where the real bullet would have hit ;D
missed sin: octavia's "i cant do this anymore" was one of the strangest line deliverly's out of this show... just me?
Now that you mention it... That _was_ a pretty flat delivery, especially for Via's very last line before she storms off to go and cry by herself. I guess that Moxxie's line jumped out at me because I played the preview clip so many times before the actual episode aired lol.
yeah, her british accent sort of turned into a weird mix of a scottish accent and a British accent, but the actress who voices her isn’t actually British so idk if it’s her fault
She had a VERY heavy Scottish accent in that scene lmao
She did not I would know
Your end analysis honestly was incredible. You worded something that I couldn't exactly interpret for myself perfectly.
I was ready to be pissed. But I do agree with some points. ESPECIALLY at the end. The episode wasn't "rushed" more so I felt like the delivery of drama was rushed. I thought it'd just be a happy go lucky show with dark humor, but I was immediately stuck in a pit of confusion when I almost cried at the ending scene lmao.
I really like that this guy isn't afraid of sharing how he actually feels about the episode. He realizes that opinions are justified and anyone who attacks him for not sharing their opinion are absolute morons.
i have a feeling that lullaby wasn't an illusion and he really just blew up a solar system just for Octi because thats just how Stolas works in this episode
lol he blew up a Solar system just to make his kid sleep I know Stolas is a caring father but my good what a waste or a solar system
About Spindlehorse having to continue to climb with emotional moments after setting the bar in this episode, I don't think that will be too difficult. After all, we only really got Octavia and Stolas' drama. We didn't get Stolas and Stella's drama (explanation-wise), which could potentially lead to more Octavia and Stolas drama, especially since we know Stolas plans to sleep with Blitzo once a month every month and Stella's no doubt going to continue being pissed at that. With how angry Stella can get, I imagine Stolas might start spending time outside of the palace which could plant some seeds of doubt in Octavia's mind that Stolas was genuine in this episode (obviously, this would have to happen, many, _many_ episodes in the future). I think the scene could have been a tiny bit less emotional but the set up for an explanation on Stolas and Stella's relationship was something I really liked.
I think they are also hoping you read the Instagram profiles. If you've seen Stolas' Instagram then you would know that Octavia made it for him, and the first batch of uploads where mainly him and Octavia hanging out, then at the posts dated a month prior to the pilot, Octavia is out and it's just Stolas or Stolas and Blitzo. The issue though is that Octavia's Instagram didn't unlock until after the episode aired and her first post was back dated to 2 months prior to the first episode, however she does show that Stolas has been at least trying to talk to her for the last 2 months, to a year because she shows that Stolas had sent her an Astrology book, and her post reads "Another gift from Dad. Why does he keep sending me these?" So she probably wants to talk to her dad but feels she isn't being entirely listened too. Which is also shown in two other posts, one where she is working on a song (I think called Listen to Me), and another where she is venting that Stolas wouldn't let her go to a Concert, despite him saying he would let her do anything, within reason as long as it made her happy.
That's cool, but I don't think that I should have to follow a dozen different instagram accounts in order to prepare for the show. The show should be able to stand on its own.
Fair assessment of the contrast between the ending and most of the episode. I can't say that I agree, but I see where you are coming from
So I'm writing this with the benefit of having seen through ep 7 (having come late to this show, I got to binge the pilot and eps all at the same time), but I wanted to respond to the point you make at about 7:05, where you talk about how it's "too early" in the show to have dramatic/emotional moments in a comedy series, and then you list several other shows that have followed that pattern. I think that's one of the things that is refreshing about HB. We've already seen the story beats a million times before, as you show in your montage. We've all already seen countless media that follows the exact same story pattern. And it's very dull and stale. You say, "the fact that this show has heart could have been a much bigger surprise if they had just bene more patient with the heavy drama." But we've seen that pacing before! We've seen it over and over and over again, it's trite and BORING. I love that the show is amping things up and going beyond that, to somewhere new. And maybe the heart isn't supposed to be a big surprise. Maybe the point is, we're supposed to see the comedy of it AND the pain of it at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive.
HB is "rushing" a bit, one could argue, but by ep 7, it's taken the emotional aspect to a truly new and unexpected place (and unlike you, I think the foreshadowing is really clear in these early eps, but again, I saw them all at once and not over a period of a year like most of the fandom). It's NEW, it feels fresh and unique, like something we haven't seen before. It isn't perfect, I'm not saying that, but I can't really recall a show that is showing the pain and reality of a dynamic like Blitzo's and Stolas'. My jaw has just dropped at seeing a show--let alone an independently created cartoon--decide to tackle these extremely difficult concepts around sex, kink, shame, desire, and trust. A free cartoon handling serious BDSM relationship issues? HOLY CRAP YES PLEASE. You can argue it wasn't well foreshadowed (I personally disagree) but at least it's something fresh and new, and not the same emotional story beats we see over and over and over again. It feels like progression, like development, and I like it.
That they dare to handle these complex topics around sex, trust, consent, family and more is so refreshing. You don't see it in most of the corporate-produced media. I'm glad we're not getting the same story beats. Now, it doesn't excuse poor storytelling, and I think you've hit some fair critiques of the writing. But, I think overall the storytelling is really strong, and it feels like a fresh, new story. Which is pretty damn hard to pull off. I mean, why watch the exact same emotional arc you've seen a thousand times before, when you can have a NEW emotional arc?
I kind of hate to say this, but I'm going to put it out here anyway: I think partially it comes down to the fundamental differences in the way men in general tell stories, and how women in general tell stories. It's not about better or superior or correct, it's just a difference. Now, this is very broad categorization, and it isn't applicable to individuals, you can always find exceptions; I'm talking roughly as a group. There are remarkably few female showrunners in corporate media; most of it has been generated by men. (I'm not saying this as a moral judgment, it's just fact. Historically in US, entertainment is created by men, for a mainly male audience. This isn't disputable, any overview of Hollywood's history will make this readily apparent. That group is also, again not as a moral judgment or castigation, but as fact, that group has also been predominantly white and heterosexual.) And we women can tell the difference. I'd also point to shows like "30 Rock" and, more relevantly, "Tuca and Bertie," which is written by women of color. (The Steven Universe showrunner is a woman [or rather, an individual who identifies as NB but uses she/her and also they/them pronouns], but she learned the ropes on Adventure Time, which was run by a man, so it makes sense that its emotional development would be defined by that experience, because that's where Sugar learned her trade.) The storytelling and the emotional beats are different. I know Brandon Rogers is also writing with Viz, but he's gay, and while Teh Gayz have been in media for longer (but had to be carefully, or not so carefully, hidden), their storytelling beats are likewise different. Again, this isn't a matter of superiority, or right or wrong, or anything else, it's a statement. I think we can all agree that, in the past, US media has been created by straight white men. Today, we're seeing more diversity, and I think that's a positive, because you get different stories, and this is one of them.
I don't want to start, like, an argument or debate about this. I'm just saying, I think one of the reasons why I really love this show is it feels more like it was written for me, the same way I really enjoy "Tuca and Bertie," for example. I just resonant more with female writers (IN SOME WAYS). It doesn't mean they're better, or that I hate media created by men. I enjoy a lot of media created by men. But I think that's a key reason why the emotional development is moving at a different pace, and why you, who I presume to be a man, find it somewhat jarring. You're more used to, more attuned to, pacing we've seen in most of our other media, because it was created by people who are more like you. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, good and bad don't factor into it. I'm just offering it as an explanation as why people (male or female, gay or straight, of any ethnicity) react to media the way they do. It's very broad and generalized, but I think it's a reasonable framework to anchor one's self to.
Every tv show doesn't need to be exactly the same. The ending was great. I loved the ending. Just because Steven Universe did it differently doesn't mean it's bad.
im pretty sure thats not what he meant
I've been with this show since the very beginning. I've also been following these EEW videos from the very beginning. Looking back on these videos, it was really an omen of things to come honsetly. You saw the cracks in Helluva Boss way before those cracks broke. And the fandom didn't take the cracks you pointed out seriously until it all came crashing down in season 2, where they now have hindsight and are seeing the cracks in season 1 that were an omen of what was come.
I never had super high expectations for Helluva. Ever. I never was a super fan or anything like that. My main goal when watching this show is fun, so the bad writing doesn't bother me how it does for other people. The fans werre let down, I simply never was. And it's honestly because of your EEW videos. Like I said, I followed along your videos from the literal pilot came out. And all these points you have made, either I agree with, or don't agree with but i completely understand. And I've always been this way. Ive always seen the cracks in this show how you did. Its just a shame that no one took your warnings until the cracks fell apart.
What I'm basically saying it, it's insane how right you were all along, and no one has listened until now.
Honestly I think it’s good we got all that early on. Stolas wouldn’t be portrayed as the character he is if he didn’t have all this development here first. Also, the people on this team don’t even know if they’re going to get that many episodes to give that kind of build up. Not being contrary, but i thought this emotional beat was perfectly handled.
THANK YOU, GOOD FAITH CRITICISM NAILING MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS EPISODE. SUBBING.
Ah yes, episode 1 LOO LOO LAND
Episode 1?! It’s 2.
I FIXED IT ALREADY OOPS
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The title of this video used to say episode one
@@RandomGameCritic if there is a dislike button for a video, then why do u make reaction videos about it when its literally just focusing on the character' backstory. that makes no sense. not even the most famous youtubers make videos about something, take sssniperwolf for example she may make reaction videos but on more important things than animations and will actually point out things that are actually wrong or bad. while ur just pointing out the things u dont like in general. there is nothing wrong with the pilots or episodes it just introducing character and revealing their backstories while being entertainment for adults, or people in general. that is the main point u are missing, sniperwolf literally has said in her videos "i dislike it but im not gonna comment on it" this is just my opinion no hate on u or ur channel i just think making reaction videos for something like this is just pointless and stupid.
1:07 OMG, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I always feel like I'm getting annoyed for no reason whenever I see the eyes clipping threw the hair in Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel. Its kinda refreshing to see someone else isn't a fan of that style either 😅.
How do you make my blood boil and at the same time make me agree
I agree
I also want to add something to your critical review that also dampens this episode: Vivzie made Stolas the good guy. In this situation IRL, Stolas cheated on his wife and is looking to continue doing that. He is a grade A bad guy. But with writing Stella being more angry at the fact he slept with an Imp, writing Stolas not seeing his little girl as a teenager, and that ending scene, she has completely written Stolas in a bright light. Now the fans love him and wanna see Stolas as this amazing dad character (though to be fair I've seen some rare Stella love in the fandom). Glossing over the reason Octavia is in this situation WAS the cheating.
I just want to point out that when talking about comedy shows that had big feels later and how it's to early for this in the second episode he showed a pic of Avatar the Last Airbender as if to prove his point, but episode 3 (which is almost like episode 2 cause of the first episode being a 2 parter) they covered the genocide of the main character's people with a strong, powerful emotional moment
Being someone that likes to watch someone else from the internet criticize different forms of "art," I can say that this was a pleasure to watch. I even tried to scan for any mistakes myself before watching, and it turned out that I was missing out on a LOT. Nonetheless in my opinion, this was a fantastic episode. Great lines, deliveries, artwork, the list goes on. I really have nothing negative to say here, but I'm glad you did explain everything going on from the previous episodes, and keep this up. Cheers to a new year!
But they were building up to that ending. I really disagree on your analysis there, cause if you watch Octavia throughout the episode it's pretty clear she's becoming increasingly frustrated/upset. The second to last straw being when she's banging her fist on the bench in emotional agony during Fizz's song.
To be quite honest, I feel like viv shouldn't have made the characters official intsagram accounts and have background lore and plot on those. On stolas' Instagram, we see he's unhappy with his wife, but happy with blitzø, he's clearly staying with Stella as an attempt to keep Octavia happy. He's also Royalty, and that kind of thing is probably a touchy subject in hell. I agree that it's too soon for feels, I want to get to know the family dynamic more before I have to immediately jump on Octavia and stolas' side. Stella is not fleshed out, and she seems very neglectful presently, but the family photos suggest otherwise. There's so much content on these characters instagrams that need to be seen before watching these episodes and I think it's a very poor choice. I think viv used it as a way to keep fans entertained.
There's nothing wrong with the fact that these Instagram accounts exist.
But it becomes a problem when the Instagram accounts are vital for understanding the episodes.
I disagree that the Stolas-Octavia moment wasnt built up at all, but I totally agree that they should have saved this scene for much later in the show’s lifetime so the scene can really gut punch us and make us actually care about stolas. Maybe if they ended the episode with octavia making a snide aside about stolas’ immature behavior and out of touch ideas on cheering her up, it would preserve the throughline of the episode without rushing their conflict resolution, and we could possibly have a moment where Stolas looks between the burning park and his daughter with some flickers of guilt and concern across his face before moving back to focus on the imps or even ending there.
I'm suprised you didn't mention how much of a curveball it was that Blitz(o) was part of the circus before becoming a hitman. That's like if Agent 47 worked at a McDonald's before being a hitman.
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arent there posters of blitz(o) in some type of a circus group in the pilot?
@@chongwillson972 I haven't the slightest clue.
@@chongwillson972 if you noticed that, congrats!
Finally I’ve been waiting for you to make a video about this
Did anyone else notice that Octavia's hair clips through Stolace's face at 8:09
I feel like Millie will end up getting an episode because of that one scene where she talked a bit about her family. This is the first insight into who Millie is and I feel like it's hinting at a future episode. Another thing I noticed is that not only is she a mystery to us but she might be a bit of a mystery to Moxie since he was the one she was talking about her family to. He's her husband so you would think he would know this about her, but it came as a surprise to him which I found intriguing. I'm hoping I am correct in my assumption because we really don't know much about her or any of the other characters really.
I really hope that we'll have a Millie focused episode, we need to know more about her! In episode 1 and 2 she wasn't doing much, it was frustrating, she needs more screentime
If I had a nickel for every time this man made a reference to Phineas and Ferb as a sin, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I notice the "Extermination" easter egg behind Big Looglie. I believe the extermination carnival game is a callback to Hazbin Hotel.
You actually brought up a really good point with the end scene I REALLY hope that this series doesn't turn into a drama alert they are doing so well so far
Bruh, I just recently watched Phineas and Ferb The Movie Accross The 2nd Dimension; and after that watched this. When you said If I had a nickel for every time-- I laughed too hard JSBDJDBSJDBSJSBDJDB!! That was also Doofenshmirtz's line 😭😂😭😂💯💯💯
2 things:
1.- I like your pic of Hollow Knight
2.- Your base for critique is, in fact, Good and solid. Taking the format from cinemaSins and use it as both a way to critic some flaws of a show yet also adding that some are just little jokes to "pad the runtime" and the fact that you point it out make the video more enjoyable. Thanks for that.
Hey wassup I was waiting for this one I enjoyed it
I don't f****** care what anyone says, everything will be okay from the beginning of the episode is awesome and if anyone tries to attack it I will smite thee down with Fury and anger. Fear me and do not insult this song
4:30 apparently that was a reference to the time when Blitz was a clown at Loo Loo Land and had some kind of sexual affair with robo fiz...
Wait really
@@derpydevilolidk thats what i heard, and understood from the joke. He says "Oh what a mouth" looking exactly like he is remembering something we can barely guess, and then he becomes annoyed because of that memory, + the poster from some seconds ago
I definitely get what you mean man. Your criticism is actually in my opinion helpful. If the producer of any ( movie, series, or (virtually anything that has to do with entertainment.) has to have critics to point out the faults, in order to make the show EVEN BETTER. Think of it as a hunk of steel. If you heat it up and pound on it and sharpen it, you’ll wind up with a Really SHARP and BEAUTIFUL SWORD. Love your stuff man don’t listen to those dum haters!!!
Ps. You’re definitely right about the emotional stuff coming in to soon.....
Honestly i agree with everything you said about the ending. its gorgeously shot, framed and drawn but its just not earned or accurate to the episodes tone. And you pulled attention to that while actually complimenting the scene itself. That's how amazing criticism is done
I actually enjoyed this video. I love the genuine criticism and you make genuinely good points here. Great work man
5 days a week in hell makes sense. They remove the 2 best days of the week and rule out having a weekend.
Lol I felt bad of Octavia the entire episode because my parents are going through a divorce and I have woken up to them arguing and trying to eat in peace with music. Plus my dad talks about and flirts with other women when I’m out with him and I’ve just been through her day so I actually took it seriously💀
On the note of drama, avatar started kicking you in the feels by episode three... as to final scene build up- it felt genuine to me despite the laughs... but- opinions as they say...
bro have you been around a toddler before. they go from crying to laughing SO fast
I like your channel I hope you keep doing this
I put off watching this video because I thought it would make me more aware of the bad things and would distract me but I thank you for pointing out Waldo
This was very well put together XD (I like this episode too btw)
You sinned Choccy milk.
For shame
it is indeed weird that octavia happened twice, indeed
Wow! A Sin Video Plus A Review In One Go. I love it! More Reviews should be just like this! Awesome Work, Compadre! You made a subscriber out of me.😺
Completely agree about the Octavia and Stolas scene. Felt way too rushed and that the show was just trying to check mark its usual comedy and dark humor with an extremely unearned emotional beat at the end that was out of place.
One thing I want to know is how you can talk so fast xD
Something to point out as someone who just watches the show and no outside content, not even twitter:
The first time I watched _that_ scene, i seriously thought "Why do I care?" don't get me wrong, I love the characters and it makes me really sad to see Octavia suffer, but honestly, 3 episodes, we knew Octavia for one, and Stolas was the "h**ny owl" most of his running time. So I get what you are saying, it happened too fast, and we don't know these characters.
i feel like its a good start, each episode is getting better so I'm
exited for the next
I can agree with most parts of this ( especially the emotional feels scene part ) but what more could’ve happened if blitzo̸ didn’t crash through the roof in the milly and moxie carnival scene . I could see like a dull comedy skit happening there but that overall wouldn’t be a good replacement considering if there was something like that you’d probably add like 3-5 more sins . Not hating I’m just saying what would probably happen
Thats all adult shows
Fun fact: Fizz is voiced by Alex Brightman; who played the legendary Beetlejuice in the musical.
3:46 Okay. *Plays the music box sound when the lights go off*
I thought this would just be random ramblings that didn’t really hold any substances but I’m glad it included actual ‘sins’ and pointed out good things about it too
one thing. mp3 player could be pulled out from that "treasure chest" right next to bed. So it might been better before cuts, where she could just like trash around in that box to find mp3, and then wear it, but I agree we missing a second there.
but I disagree that last scenes don't fit. This episode is meant to be emotional roller-coaster. Blitz + fitz scenes also quickly change from sad blitz past shown for a second to pure lol.
I feel like we could have few more seconds of worried dad to flush previous emotion before this scene. Near Octavia sad part.
what the fuck did you just say
1:50
Hahahahaha
PA HA HA HA HA!
I feel like I can spring between comedy and drama when watching a show on a dime. Sometimes, the fact that I am laughing about a situation moments ago makes it hit home all the harder when the actual damage is revealed.
Its all fun and games until someone actually gets hurt.
I hate when people who do these type of content have to properly explain what they mean.
He is obviously not trying to say this show is bad. The small sins are just for laughs and not entirely serious while the longer ones are actually something he has a problem with. Like, do people think that just because something is good, it doesn't have bad parts? A critic job is to point out the good and bad parts, and in EWW, in my opinion, they point out the bad while also making a few cracks at insignificant things.
After stating that, let me tell my opinion of the nitpicks you chose:
- While i liked Baby Octavia voice, when i heard the older Octavia voice, i thought the former was a bit deeper and thats the only problem i have with the voice.
- I did notice that Moxxie voice sounded like he was reading from the script and not actually voice acting, but then i thought that he was just explaining and wasn't that terrified by theme parks.
- The funny scene cut short would have been bad if we Blitz suddendly appeared, but since we saw him in the background, we already knew what was going to happen. I agree that there could have been a funny scene beforehand and i actually wanted to see what Millie would do.
- I agree with you on the emotional scene being a bit too early, but im positive that we won't have one for a while and when we get used to the comedy, they are going to hit us with another impactful scene.
I agree with all of these. And when we do get slammed by another emotional moment, i hope its about Loona.
Bruh I love these videos and I love Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. I don’t know why but by the looks of the comments you showed, a lot of the people in your comments failed to understand you’re as much of a fan as I am of Vivziepop’s stuff and don’t know (despite you explaining in one of the videos - I don’t remember which) that these are more parodies of cinemasins than actual cinemasins, with some minor harmless criticism that still allows everyone to enjoy the show and also thoroughly appreciating it at the same time
U went all out on that ending mad respect
I can respect your opinion..but that scene where Octavia and stolas talked really hit me and made me cry. My family is like Octavias a lot and its one of my favorites and episode 3. It hurt but felt good when i saw she actually talked to her dad. My dad doesn't take the time to spend time with me or take the time to actually talk. It felt good to see it and how they took on a broken family. Just my opinion like yours is too. And i never laughed at the broken family bits besides the phone call. That might just be me and relating to having a broken family.
4:32 Have you shot more than one gun? It takes some getting used-to to being able to make your shots with a model (or ammunition) you haven't gotten the experience with already.
Plus, carny pressure guns aren't exactly all that similar to regular firearms outside of shape, so there is also that.
Personally, I respectfully disagree on your shared complaint with both this episode and the Addict music video. Adding hints and layers of more mature themes and character exploration early on allows the audience to get used to those elements of the show so it doesn't come off as jarring later on in the series when more dramatic and heavy stuff comes later.
1:30 Oh that also explains why- [shot by the spoiler cops]
I agree with you on the ending scene. I felt it was too early, im not saying I disliked it but, my reason for this is thus:
To me, Robo Fizz took away from the Stolas and Octavia plot. I think this episode wouldve worked better if it was more focused on Robo Fizz. I'm not just saying that because he is my favorite character, but I'm saying it because 80% of the people who I watched reacting to this had more to say about fizzaroli than Octavia and Stolas. But I still think this was by far the best animation I've seen out of Vivzes other works.
i think the reason Millie missed her shot was because its a carnival game in hell, I'm 99% sure that gun would have been rigged.
2:51-2:56 Not so fun fact: that would be one of the last lines he would’ve recorded. May he Rest In Peace.
Lol I love how it counts as a sin to have Luna appear once in the show😂😂😂
There's never enough Loona 😊
before watching this the only complaint i have abt the ending scene is how i wish they couldve moved the scene wherein octavia tells stolas that “hes pretty ok at times” to a later episode since it felt like it was just shoehorned in there way more than the supposed “feels trip” scene right before it. but after watching your review, i comlletely agree with just moving the entire two scenes to a later episode instead.
I think that, once stolas dies, Octavia is going to become the next stolas, and by that I mean actually renaming herself, y'know?
Forgot a sin . It's a small detail but it has always annoyed me : WHY in the flashback of robofizz flashback is little Octavia in her pijama she is outside why is she in her pijama? Like i know that stolas seems like the type of father who can barely say "no " to his kid but do you mean to tell me that he would be okay with his kid going to an amusement park in her pijama ? , And Stella specifically dosent seems like she would allow her kid to go out in their pijama. Like i know it's a small , unnecessary detail but the dress that little Octavia had in the kitchen picture was SO FRICKING ADORABLE WHY COULDN'T WE SEE THAT IN THE ROBOFIZZ FLASHBACK?
Perhaps all the feels in this episode are a set up for Estella being an antagonist and knowing who to route for when those battles come