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I grew up in Sway, I now live 10 miles away. I also ride my Tiger around the forest, great roads and scenery. You weren’t far away from the Sammy Miller museum. Safe riding.
Thanks guys….it’s great to see English coastal communities-the Seagulls in the background capture the vibe perfectly. Looking forward to your next adventure.
Seagulls: nature’s way of reminding us that we’re never too far from a chip-stealing heist! Thanks for watching, and get ready for more fun and games in the next one
The New Forest is great... out of season, but in spring and summer it is packed. With regards to Morrison's cafe food, it is good and they often have a kind of meal deal thing which makes it a little less expensive. I recently paid my first ever visit to West Bay. I went over to Windy Corner Cafe, which is in the same building that Helmet City is in, the breakfast was excellent. I like the look of Rugged Roads, it's only a couple of hours ride from me, but I'd have to leave my wallet at home, cos the stuff in there looks well tasty.
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Another great video guys, Love westbay next time your there pop in to S&E fish and chips at the end over the round about. Steve and Emma are great and the food is fantastic
Been to new forest once. Only by passing to go to the National Motor Museum, Beaulieu. Brilliant Museum. Highly recommend going if not been before. Can make nice day out there if its your type of thing of doing.
Very trusting of them to let you pay in the morning, great episode as ever 😊 the Kobe looked interesting be good to see what its like if you take it out. The shop looks really good too.
Have you ever stopped in Blackwater Woods in New Forest before? Highly recommend, nice chill out spot, plus you have Giant sequoia trees growing there.
That was the Kove 450, i think that one has been about a little longer but its all new to the uk as far as i know. I cant wait to get on them and try them out, they look mega fun
I love a ride out to west bay get a great mug of coffee and an Ice cream if if warm, or you can get some fish an chips near Helmet city alway need a walk round there when I’m there Then always take the coast road over the top with some stunning views down to the sea Was there earlier this year On a lovely sunny day 😊
@@trevorphillips3055 I live just down the rd an have had some great times there. Shame Sammy won’t slow learner classes bcs there’s no where between Soton an Xch guys can get trained in the new forest area. All the best guys. 👍👍🙏🙏🎃🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
@ shame he won’t allow learner classes there bcs there is no where in the new Forrest area for learned to train! It’s Soton or Xch. Havin said that, had many Appy times there . 🏍️🏍️👍👍🎃🎃🙏🙏🇬🇧🇬🇧
Hi you two, Just watching the Rugged Road video. The Touratech bags you looked at, are brilliant. Lightweight, simple to use and the beaver tail adds a lot on top of the bags. I’ve done a lot of miles with mine and love them. Keep up the good work 😊
Thanks they look like a affordable version of the Mosko bags, we really like these Touratech ones. Have you tried moving them between different bikes? Does it always fit well? what bike do you use them on?
@@ontheroadadventureI have the Bumot soft panniers and comes with waterproof bags went through France in torrential rain and no water got in. Really pleased with them and they lock on
I’ve only used them on my GS1300 but they are exactly as you describe, an affordable version of the Moskos On my bike they tie to the rear foot peg hangers and sit over the rear seat. That leaves the rear rack free and available plus whatever is in the beaver tail provides a back rest.
That love looks great, The problem is they are all untested and unproven. They should give you two one each to go off and use on your big tours, if it didn't break down on you guys I would be willing to take the gamble on the Chinese bike. Until then I'd stick with the safe bet... The Tenere
I’m fortunate to have the Tenere World Raid and the Chinese Voge 900. The Tenere has been remapped and it has improved it no end. The Voge 900 is better however as stock and pulls really well. My first Voge was the 650 and at 2 1/2 years old, ridden throughout the seasons I traded it in with little if any rust and nothing had failed, it really was a great fun, big single thumper, with the19” front wheel you really could throw it around on the twisties, loved it. The 900 is a far better bike but not as much fun, with all the gadgets the old tradition of actually riding the machine, working the gearbox has almost gone. The crunch…..would I buy another Voge? My experience with the importers, MotoGB has been incredibly disappointing. The dealers have trouble communicating with MotoGb and so I tried, first by email…..totally ignored my very simple and straight forward question and so I called them only to be told…..contact your dealer…..I rang them at the dealers suggestion because the dealer couldn’t provide an answer. If they ignore the customer, if they don’t support the dealer with warranty claims as is rumoured, I wouldn’t buy another Voge here in the UK. Voge in Europe have a five year warranty on the 900, the manufacturer obviously have faith in their product. But here in the UK if you cant get any assistance from the authorised dealer / importer should things go wrong it creates doubt. The engineering quality is as good as anything from Japan, Germany (read China) or Austria (again read China) and I’ve had BMW GS bikes going back to the Paris Dakar twin valve models. The 900 really is a great bike but I would not buy another based on my experience to date, which is unfortunate. Had there been as an optional extra the choice of tubeless tyres/wheels when buying the Tenere, I wouldn’t have looked at the 900 Voge. Parts are readily available with a global dealership network. With the Voge you have little choice when it comes to dealers and a major service with an overnight stay at Premier Inn is no joke. The 650 was a low cost motorcycle, if things went wrong it wouldn’t have mattered too much if I had a long wait for parts for instance but for £9200 you should at least get a reply form the importer, to be ignored is seriously unprofessional. Do your research before buying Chinese………my opinion ……..they will become the new Honda….eventually.
@@ontheroadadventure I’m not on faceache, far too old for social media, at 78😂 What’s app is about my mark. It’s on page 25 in the Mileage Hunters section, titled Home is where the heart is. I could email it to you.
I found that light adventure motorcycles are ok for off road , but not so good on windy motorway mile crunching , you end up being blown across lanes 👍
This could well be true, I dont think id want to go really light weight like a 250 for example for this reason but middleweight maybe the best of both worlds?
I think the Kove 800 will surprise all of us. I communicate with an owner regularly that has done already 10 000 miles with no issues at all. The Kove motor used in the 800 apparently has been revised and doesn't suffer from the cam problems akin to the KTM motor. Voge and Kove are Chinese. Let's see how they hold up.
We feel excited for them the kove on paper looks fantastic and we love the tubeless wheels etc. I understand they have a snatchy fuelling issue though, hopefully some mapping can sort it out in time
Once again a great video. We always end up at a local cafe that we know 90% of the time if we've got nowhere specific to go. It's safe. The food is good and the people are nice. What more would you want?
@@ontheroadadventure where I am, there's one in Heathfield called the butchers hook. Fantastic food, lovely staff and it's always full of bikes at the weekends, 90%of the year. They are also butchers! Homemade sausages! 😛
My T7 world raid all day long, reliable, 60 plus miles to the gallon, easy to work on, no fandangle extras to go wrong, no problem getting parts. ( by the way any thoughts of where on your next tour?).
We do like the look of the T7. How come you decided the World raid was for you over the T7 standard? Im not sure id want the extra fuel tank weight. Did you consider spending the extra money for the WR on upgrading the Suspension on the Standard t7?
@@ontheroadadventure Coming from a 1150 gsa the world raid feels like half a tone lighter, I was looking at the standard but tank size on the world raid done it for me, I got a brilliant deal on an ex-demo with loads of extra's.
Oh yes, Sorry i forgot all about that in the video. Yes it worked Brilliantly! Paired with my new sleeping bag i was soo warm, usually i wrap up in all my clothes, this time i was down to my boxers! What a game changer
Hi thought the same as you after my AT Got stolen i went with a low mileage T7 with full crash bars a givi rack uprated suspension just over 3 years old not my AT but a sweet ride for 2k less than the kove but the kove does look nice great vid guys ride free
@ontheroadadventure hi yes very much so the AT was with me for 7 years the T7 is lighter and narrower so a bit easier to get my feet planted I have a lowered seat as I did on the AT best bike? For touring still the AT but not by much keep the shiney side up guys
I often stop off at Rugged Roads after some food at the Buttery in Brockenhurst Can you tell me what is the point of the little LCD screen underneath the main dash thanks
Kove entered 4 bikes in the Dakar and the all finished which says allot for them, are 95hp, and the Rally X version is another 15 kg lighter than the standard 800, is a good bike, will I get one when they start to bring them in. The engine is based on the KTM but has a different head as they make the engine in-house so not the same engine.
@@ontheroadadventure looking forward to the rally X version, around 165 kg wet weight, I have seen one on the scales with the USA importer, and the old CEO went through the bike at last years ECIMA show.
Rich see if you can test ride the Cove 450 liked them look of that for some off road action. Your both right once your on the bike rain or not as long as it`s not torrential it`s all good.
They know how to tempt people into the Chinese bikes, Kove offering that may well tempt people away from a Yamaha with a saving of a few grand… But of course if the bikes are not reliable they will soon get a poor reputation and no one will want it
My son and I went bike shopping yesterday and looked at the Africa twin and transalp but we’ve both settled on two new 700 tenere in January We did consider the Kove too but if I’m honest I’m a little scared of the build quality over time as it’s yet untested
you guys gone for the standard T7? Im not convinced that the Standard T7 is worth buying new as there havent been any upgrades since the first one came out. I think id buy used and get one someone else already put the money into, i wouldnt be worried about buying a CP2 with 20k miles on... But this is the very problem new comers like Kove have... People dont like to gamble with their own money and so it takes a long time before there have been enough youtubers who have actually put real miles on them to prove their worth.... It was the same story with the Benelli TRK's for example i reviewed some time ago... Now they are everywhere and best sellers in Europe, I suspect Voge will have the same success in time
Im interested to know why youd go for the world raid over a standard Tenere? For me a standard Tenere with a New rear shock upgraded would do me... The world raid has a big heavy tank up top that im not sure we need?
Still see lots of people who haven't owned the latest Chinese bikes saying they are no good. I have a cf moto 450 mt and it's brilliant. Many on UA-cam with 10 to 20000 km covered no issues
Hi Matt, I have been watching this one with real interest. CFmoto were clever in giving some bikes to be used and abused by UA-camrs, I watched one guy take his loan bike and did 10k km off road and gave a true to life user experience and almost nothing went wrong or any major issues.... Ok thats only 6k miles But this is defo the way to sell the bike and gain brand confidence. Have they increased the service intervals on the CFmoto yet? Every 3k miles was how it started which is no good, but i believe it was planned to be changed to 6k?
@ontheroadadventure hi, I have seen some owners saying the interval is 6000 miles , will check with mine. It's a great bike but realistically it's still a 40 bhp 450. It sounds amazing and rides well. Would love to see you guys do the nathan the postman small capacity bikes day :)
@@ontheroadadventure 0:36 A catalogue of niggling faults. Dodgy contact on starter switch Starter motor bendix jammed ( only once) Front brake light switch failed. Easy fix but what happens if that had been the side stand switch in the middle of nowhere? Left exhaust had paint flaking off. Moto Guzzi changed it without a fuss. Changed tyres to find serious corrosion in the hub with seized bolts. I caused a civil war when Freddie Dobbs read my story on Tuesday at Dobbs a couple of weeks ago. I had had enough, I lost confidence in it and gone back to Suzuki, GSX8S
Have you you seen that Aussie abusing his Tennere dragging submerged through flooded tracks blah blah but the Kove has completed the Dakar so who knows the Kove and leave the stale bread and Army rations and buy some decent food ? 😀
Yes that Adam Riemann, He has Been an amazing Advert for Yamaha, they give him the bikes, He certainly proves their worth! I think we are over the army rations now lol
Tenere world raid, all day every day. Problem is I don’t want to sell my tracer 900gt or MT10 to get one. I test rode one & loved it, but it would mean another bike in the garage.
Hi you 2. I was down the NEW FOREST this September and stayed at the RED SHOOT campsite. You may want to try that one out. Very good indeed. Anyway why I'm messaging is to say that I find it astonishing that all the land the wildlife has to play and roam on they seem to have to be allways on the F-CK--G roads. Really annoying. 😭😭😭Thats everywhere. Not good when on motorbikes.
MCN did a Review on the Kove 800 and all in all, they liked it.......watch this space...!!! Time will tell....my Gut feeling is that...They will be ok, they will have obvious blips , but it is £8,000 ish so.....watch this Space....!!!! 🏍🏍🏍🙏🏼🙏🏼
@ontheroadadventure yes I agree, only time will tell I guess on reliability and how good the bikes are ie parts etc etc I'd love to see you 2 on the kove tho.....maybe you can get a long Term loan of 2 x kove 800 a year maybe....that would be great,
We would love to be the ones to test it out properly. We would take them off for one of our proper 5k mile tours for a month or two and see how it pans out
Yes, the question pops up very frequently now: Do you want to spend more on a motorcycle and get less in gadgets, but you do get a lot of reliability and a good working service and dealer network with over 50 years of experience--> get the Japanese Yamaha XT700, or... Do you pay less and get more in gadgets, but you are buying something of which nobody can tell you how well it is and how long it will last, without a thorough dealer network and at the dealers barely any knowledge of this specific motorcycle, and the engine block is derived from a KTM block... yes so a KTM dealer will be able to work on it, you think, so everything really is the same...? --> get a Chinese CF Moto, or any other Chinese product. Yes, in some cases, a Chinese motorcycle may have some advantages... But the quality of all separate parts together gives the motorcycle the reliability, or not ! And the rule is: you're paying less for something which in theory should be worth more. That's the theory, now I would not want to be the one to find out that in practice the theory does not fly. There is a very well reason why you pay less to get "more". --> first question--> Do you really get "more" when your Chinese pride and joy breaks down on a regular basis? And you will not be able to find a dealer of the Chinese product you bought, nor any dealer who's willing to wrench on your Chinese bike... Especially not under warranty? And how about getting Chinese warranty…? Do you…? All with all, I would not have to blink my eyes to get the Yamaha XT700--> Absolutely ! After all, am I the true professional who's able to really get the theoretical "more" out of the Chinese bikes--> No I am not, and so is not the vast majority of riders I think. And am I willing to have to deal with potential warranty issues or maintenance issues or lack of Chinese parts issues and non-fitting OEM KTM parts issues. There is a very good reason why you pay less for a Chinese bike, and in theory they do seem to have advantages, but do they really..? Or will you find out in the middle of nowhere that this just is not the case really. Its cheap. There is a very good reason for that. Ask yourself the question: do you want to be the one to find out why…?
You put your point very well indeed, thank you. I agree, and this is the biggest obstacle to the new Chinese brands… who wants to be first to find out…
I caused a traffic jam . My Tigger has been written off by van driver who went into the back of me. I am happy to be alive. I miss my bike, and the van driver that hit was not uninsured. I have been assured that won't be out of pocket.
The Morrisons Cafe in St Albans is OK but the Cafe in the large M&S are better The Cafe next to Helmet City at West Bay is good The Lugage shop at Helmet City was Used as the Police Station in Broadchurch along with many other places in West Bay I personaly would never buy a Chinese bike The new BMW F900 would be my choice
We love a M&S for Fruit, its always good there. Interesting about the chinese bikes though, the Engine in your bike is The very same as in the Voge 900 DSX we had for a couple weeks... Well about 60 percent of the parts are the same if we are honest. I do get the safety of the aftersales support from BMW though
According to the KTM President all the KTM engines that gave cam problems have all been Austrian derived units, none of the Chinese units have given problems, they were modified in 2020 anyway so any new bikes; providing they haven't had old stock engines fitted should be OK, as an owner of a 2024 CFMoto 800MT Tour I'm hoping he's not telling porkies.
To buy Chinese or not chinese🤔 I think this will be a debate which will go on for quite some time, The chinese are turning out lovely looking bikes which seem very capable of lasting the time, fully kitted out ready to go travelling with, all the top notch electronic gizmos. Whilst they have not been in the UK for a long time, in the EU they have been around alot longer and have some great reviews from owners who have put a fair amount of milage on them and put them thru there paces. compared to the Japanese and German bikes the prices seem to be a bargain. Now this is also forcing other manufacturers to offer better deals and with/or free accessories to sweeten the sales. The ones I feel sorry for is the owners of bikes that are 1-3 yrs old as they are now not worth very much, depreciation has always been high in the first couple of years but now they are not worth very much at all. If I had the funds to buy new I would defo look at the new chinese offerings, but I dont. So instead I took advantage of the crashing second hand market and bought a German machine which is tried and tested will go on for ever (hopefully) which is in showroom condition with stupidly low miles for less then half of the Kove 800/voge 900 OK so what I bought isnt new and it's out of warranty but to me at this time as funds allow it seems a better deal. Always waiting with anticipation as to what your next videos will be, a great mixed bag of vids at the mo which is great, your reviews of the bikes are more real world as you use them as 95% of us would and say it exactly as you find it. out of curiosity what is your thoughts on the second hand market? how do you feel what your twins are worth in money value? are they worth more to you as they do everything you want them too? or would you be willing to sell/trade them in for a low price against one of the lower priced chinese bikes? Keep the vids coming ATB.
Thanks and great comments, I think I can answer this by saying the depreciation on a new £20k+ GS or a new 18k AT will be more in 2 years than the cost of a Kove or voge for example, so worst case scenario the Chinese bike lasted two years before it went bang… You’d still be better off financially than buying a new Main brand adventure bike…
I don't have a problem with ting tong bikes, I bought a second hand 125cc lexmoto 12 month old 9 yrs ago to get me back into motor cycling. At the time everyone was banging on about them rusting and being unreliable. For me it served a purpose and got me back on the road. Had I of bought new with a larger capacity engine I would be wanting something reliable unlike the 125's that have been around in Asia for as long as God's dog.
Yeah, it's no doubt, Chinese built bikes, are making their mark in the world. Like most though, i know we have concerns about durability, and resale. I guess, only time will tell.
If it costs half as much and lasts half as long worst case scenario then personally I think it holds the same value. A new BMW GS depreciation in one year will cost you more than buying this bike outright
Everything thing is made in china nowadays I personally think there bikes are getting better I stick with me owld tiger 800 for now like 😂😂 Ride Safe you 2 🫡👍👍
Yes, it doesnt bother me at all in which country its made, provided it is of decent build quality and the components are strong and good. Also most importantly that spares are available very quickly, its this availability the Chinese brands Must compete with in order to be successful. It doesnt matter how good or cheap a bike is if you cant get replacement parts to keep it on the road
Have to disagree re safety around bikers , I was at a HD rally in south of France , came to go home and my friend had his petrol cap punched ! We unfortunately had to ride to Brugge so had to borrow ! Someone else's !
@@ontheroadadventure correct , not what we wanted to do but what else could we do at 7am on Sunday morning in St Tropez , it was incredible to think as we were staying on the official site which wasn't cheap and very nice lodges , anyway now moved on from the Harley scene and ride a nice DCT Goldwing !
Hugely suspicious of chinese stuff, usually Ok if its overseen by a western company but left to their own devices they WILL cut corners. Tenere would be my choice if I could actually get one of my short legs over one.
The proof of the Kove is in the pudding... Or in this case the miles... We all want to see some with 20-30k miles on in a short space of time, a year or so to see how they fare. We could prove 2 of these within 12 months publicly on our channel but Kove need to be confident enough to do two long term loan bikes... That would show confidence and be a sink or swim test
When I was shopping for a new bike in 2022 I had the choice of either a CF Moto or a Kawasaki. Knowing what I know about Chinese made products I chose the Kawasaki Versys 650 and have already 35,000 km on it. Its many scars and scratches attest to its having been on adventures on some sketchy roads. I ride on Shinko E 705s. At 479 lbs, its not too heavy to pick up which is important especially for we older riders. I'll be 74 on Boxing Day. As for riding in the rain, I don't like it, especially when my visor becomes suddenly impossible to see through and I have to 'feel' my way to the shoulder to avoid riding blind. I almost hit a deer the other day when it suddenly appeared right at my front wheel whilst on Alberta Hwy 11. I was toodling along at 110. Close call. Somehow that creature managed to dart out of the way. It all happened in a split instant. That's what riding a bike is all about, eh? It's like you are constantly inside a video game. Thanks for today's episode. Ride safe, you guys. Love you too. Bye....
Us bikers accept a bit of risk but not when it comes to reliability of our machines… the safe bet is always going to win until these machines become proven to be a safe bet
@@ontheroadadventure Considering there are lots of times on highways that I hit over 140 km/hr. I keep my bike maintained by a top notch Kawasaki technician. Fastest I got up to on my Versys is 180. Could not squeeze another drop out of her. Not my preferred speed. I also do not take chances with my tires and make sure pressures are always what they should be. I keep a pressure gauge under my seat.
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Fish and chips from that blue hut at West Bay is something everyone should try.
Yes there’s some good food to be found here, I think we went to that one in our video at west bay on the Dorset playlist
I grew up in Sway, I now live 10 miles away. I also ride my Tiger around the forest, great roads and scenery. You weren’t far away from the Sammy Miller museum. Safe riding.
What a place to live, beautiful. We will do a episode at sammy’s soon I’m sure
@ let me know when you do, I’ll join you for a coffee there. It’s 5 minutes from my house👍
Thanks guys….it’s great to see English coastal communities-the Seagulls in the background capture the vibe perfectly.
Looking forward to your next adventure.
Seagulls: nature’s way of reminding us that we’re never too far from a chip-stealing heist! Thanks for watching, and get ready for more fun and games in the next one
At the end of the day, a ride is a ride. So not boring for those of us (of an age) who do most of our riding in better weather. Enjoyed it anyway.
Thanks Jim, great to have you with us 👍
Heck of a long time since i was down near the new forest, high time i made a trip hopefully next summer.
We recommend it, its beautiful to ride through
The New Forest is great... out of season, but in spring and summer it is packed. With regards to Morrison's cafe food, it is good and they often have a kind of meal deal thing which makes it a little less expensive. I recently paid my first ever visit to West Bay. I went over to Windy Corner Cafe, which is in the same building that Helmet City is in, the breakfast was excellent. I like the look of Rugged Roads, it's only a couple of hours ride from me, but I'd have to leave my wallet at home, cos the stuff in there looks well tasty.
Yes rugged roads is well worth the trip, so much good gear in there, all quality stuff
I love your determination to carry on Camping and have a great time regardless....
Carry on Camping.... Sounds about right!
Thank you for sharing even with rain 🌧️ riding is still fun both places you went very cool to see.can’t wait until the next one
Your very welcome, See you in the next one
Thanks for the entertainment guys!
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@@ontheroadadventure no thanks, your welcome , loveyoubye👊🏻
Another great video guys, Love westbay next time your there pop in to S&E fish and chips at the end over the round about. Steve and Emma are great and the food is fantastic
I think we might have been to them when we visited west bay and featured it in the first Dorset video
Been to new forest once. Only by passing to go to the National Motor Museum, Beaulieu. Brilliant Museum. Highly recommend going if not been before. Can make nice day out there if its your type of thing of doing.
Oh yes i did that one a couple years back, huge place.
Very trusting of them to let you pay in the morning, great episode as ever 😊 the Kobe looked interesting be good to see what its like if you take it out. The shop looks really good too.
Yes its because we arrived after closing, they were great to us to be fair, really nice campsite.
Keep them coming guys love you both. 🎉
Love you Bye!
Love your determination to keep motorcycle camping in October but maybe it’s time to give in for winter?
Maybe but then we would need a new plan..!
Have you ever stopped in Blackwater Woods in New Forest before? Highly recommend, nice chill out spot, plus you have Giant sequoia trees growing there.
Hi, No never heard of that place, i will find it and add it too our maps, thank you
Another great video cheers
Thank you! Cheers!
Have used the Morrisons cafe in Ross-on-Wye many times, and also the one at Lake on the IOW. Excellent value and tasty every time👍🏽
We have to go try one now!
Electric waistcoat equals instant warmth, even on the coldest day.
Ride safe 👍
Yes, we love the Kemimoto ones we have and they are so cheap, we use battery packs so can wear them off the bike too in winter
I wear mine in the house to avoid putting heating on😂
Why not too! Save money for travels...
Our lass works in our local Morrisons cafe and the grub is fine
We need to go try one!
Great vid, that red and white kove looked amazing! - I will defo look out for them. 👍🏍🏍👍
That was the Kove 450, i think that one has been about a little longer but its all new to the uk as far as i know. I cant wait to get on them and try them out, they look mega fun
you two are so watchable, nice videos guys
Thanks for watching! We are glad to have you along with us 👍
I love a ride out to west bay get a great mug of coffee and an Ice cream if if warm, or you can get some fish an chips near Helmet city alway need a walk round there when I’m there
Then always take the coast road over the top with some stunning views down to the sea
Was there earlier this year On a lovely sunny day 😊
We have a couple videos in west bay and the Dorset area you mean, we went to the bike cafes there S bomb etc you might enjoy those vids
Morrisons do or did at least do dragons eggs a scotch egg with chilli in the pork.......superb
Yes, that one is awesome! we had that not long ago..
Try Sammy Millars in New Milton!
If you ask, they might let you put the bike in the courtyard??
Best of luck guys.
Thanks Paul, we are holding on for Sammy's we will visit when a even is on there...
@ontheroadadventure you should do that, the events are great. Always well attended and loads to see. Mr Millyard may put in an appearance too. 😊
@@trevorphillips3055 I live just down the rd an have had some great times there.
Shame Sammy won’t slow learner classes bcs there’s no where between Soton an Xch guys can get trained in the new forest area.
All the best guys.
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@ shame he won’t allow learner classes there bcs there is no where in the new Forrest area for learned to train!
It’s Soton or Xch.
Havin said that, had many Appy times there .
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I will never forget hearing the flying Millyard fireing up at the NEC
Mosko moto do rackless with pods that you can move bike to bike really good got them on my tiger 900 keep up the great work vids guys 👍
We love the mosko bags but they are too expensive for us. It would be about 2.5k to fit to both bikes, our tours can cost less!
Hi you two,
Just watching the Rugged Road video. The Touratech bags you looked at, are brilliant.
Lightweight, simple to use and the beaver tail adds a lot on top of the bags.
I’ve done a lot of miles with mine and love them.
Keep up the good work
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Thanks they look like a affordable version of the Mosko bags, we really like these Touratech ones. Have you tried moving them between different bikes? Does it always fit well? what bike do you use them on?
@@ontheroadadventureI have the Bumot soft panniers and comes with waterproof bags went through France in torrential rain and no water got in. Really pleased with them and they lock on
Cheers will look them up
I’ve only used them on my GS1300 but they are exactly as you describe, an affordable version of the Moskos
On my bike they tie to the rear foot peg hangers and sit over the rear seat. That leaves the rear rack free and available plus whatever is in the beaver tail provides a back rest.
That love looks great, The problem is they are all untested and unproven. They should give you two one each to go off and use on your big tours, if it didn't break down on you guys I would be willing to take the gamble on the Chinese bike. Until then I'd stick with the safe bet... The Tenere
We would love to be the people to test the bikes properly and we would all find out together how good they are. I really want them to be good!
Is that a Freudian slip there BMWgsrider905 "love"
I’m fortunate to have the Tenere World Raid and the Chinese Voge 900. The Tenere has been remapped and it has improved it no end. The Voge 900 is better however as stock and pulls really well. My first Voge was the 650 and at 2 1/2 years old, ridden throughout the seasons I traded it in with little if any rust and nothing had failed, it really was a great fun, big single thumper, with the19” front wheel you really could throw it around on the twisties, loved it.
The 900 is a far better bike but not as much fun, with all the gadgets the old tradition of actually riding the machine, working the gearbox has almost gone.
The crunch…..would I buy another Voge?
My experience with the importers, MotoGB has been incredibly disappointing. The dealers have trouble communicating with MotoGb and so I tried, first by email…..totally ignored my very simple and straight forward question and so I called them only to be told…..contact your dealer…..I rang them at the dealers suggestion because the dealer couldn’t provide an answer.
If they ignore the customer, if they don’t support the dealer with warranty claims as is rumoured, I wouldn’t buy another Voge here in the UK.
Voge in Europe have a five year warranty on the 900, the manufacturer obviously have faith in their product. But here in the UK if you cant get any assistance from the authorised dealer / importer should things go wrong it creates doubt.
The engineering quality is as good as anything from Japan, Germany (read China) or Austria (again read China) and I’ve had BMW GS bikes going back to the Paris Dakar twin valve models.
The 900 really is a great bike but I would not buy another based on my experience to date, which is unfortunate.
Had there been as an optional extra the choice of tubeless tyres/wheels when buying the Tenere, I wouldn’t have looked at the 900 Voge. Parts are readily available with a global dealership network. With the Voge you have little choice when it comes to dealers and a major service with an overnight stay at Premier Inn is no joke.
The 650 was a low cost motorcycle, if things went wrong it wouldn’t have mattered too much if I had a long wait for parts for instance but for £9200 you should at least get a reply form the importer, to be ignored is seriously unprofessional.
Do your research before buying Chinese………my opinion ……..they will become the new Honda….eventually.
It's a good video and a nice ride out for you.
Thank you, Glad you are with us
See you got a pic in this weeks MCN. ….nice👍🏽
Have we?! No idea lol can you take a picture and show us on the Facebook group? Search on the Road adventure riders group 👍
@@ontheroadadventure I’m not on faceache, far too old for social media, at 78😂 What’s app is about my mark. It’s on page 25 in the Mileage Hunters section, titled Home is where the heart is. I could email it to you.
Thanks, we found it!
Great vid , thanks guys , those chinese bikes have come on a lot but the resale value is something to consider as well
A fair point but have you seen the depreciation on a one year old GS for example?
we spent few hours and good miles in New Forest yesterday but we did not see you there ;-)
Ahh Just missed you by a day or two
I found that light adventure motorcycles are ok for off road , but not so good on windy motorway mile crunching , you end up being blown across lanes 👍
This could well be true, I dont think id want to go really light weight like a 250 for example for this reason but middleweight maybe the best of both worlds?
Motorways are not fun on any bike.
A good ride out for you guys is to CTL motor company, Cirencester well worth a visit 👍
Google it 👍
even on our Goldwing, wind was an issue, until we started towing the trailer. it held the bike, easier
Nice one bud I’ve added it to our maps
I think the Kove 800 will surprise all of us. I communicate with an owner regularly that has done already 10 000 miles with no issues at all. The Kove motor used in the 800 apparently has been revised and doesn't suffer from the cam problems akin to the KTM motor. Voge and Kove are Chinese. Let's see how they hold up.
We feel excited for them the kove on paper looks fantastic and we love the tubeless wheels etc. I understand they have a snatchy fuelling issue though, hopefully some mapping can sort it out in time
Once again a great video. We always end up at a local cafe that we know 90% of the time if we've got nowhere specific to go. It's safe. The food is good and the people are nice. What more would you want?
Which is your cafe of choice?
@@ontheroadadventure where I am, there's one in Heathfield called the butchers hook. Fantastic food, lovely staff and it's always full of bikes at the weekends, 90%of the year. They are also butchers! Homemade sausages! 😛
That sounds proper!
(4:40) look at PIAA for the driving lights. they have come a long way, for 30 years ago.
Not heard of that brand, do they have it in UK?
My T7 world raid all day long, reliable, 60 plus miles to the gallon, easy to work on, no fandangle extras to go wrong, no problem getting parts. ( by the way any thoughts of where on your next tour?).
We do like the look of the T7. How come you decided the World raid was for you over the T7 standard? Im not sure id want the extra fuel tank weight. Did you consider spending the extra money for the WR on upgrading the Suspension on the Standard t7?
@@ontheroadadventure Coming from a 1150 gsa the world raid feels like half a tone lighter, I was looking at the standard but tank size on the world raid done it for me, I got a brilliant deal on an ex-demo with loads of extra's.
@@ontheroadadventure By the way this is the best channel on youtube, motorcycle travel, camping, food and comedy. it's brilliant.
I think the Standard T7 is good for about 160 miles on a tank? what MPG are you getting?
Thanks so much, we really love to make the videos
Great video! When is the ride on kove then?
Soon i Hope!
Hi another good vid what about the new mattress any good
Keep the good work
Oh yes, Sorry i forgot all about that in the video. Yes it worked Brilliantly! Paired with my new sleeping bag i was soo warm, usually i wrap up in all my clothes, this time i was down to my boxers! What a game changer
Hi thought the same as you after my AT Got stolen i went with a low mileage T7 with full crash bars a givi rack uprated suspension just over 3 years old not my AT but a sweet ride for 2k less than the kove but the kove does look nice great vid guys ride free
Do you miss you AT or happier with the T7? Do you find the T7 Lighter?
@ontheroadadventure hi yes very much so the AT was with me for 7 years the T7 is lighter and narrower so a bit easier to get my feet planted I have a lowered seat as I did on the AT best bike? For touring still the AT but not by much keep the shiney side up guys
I often stop off at Rugged Roads after some food at the Buttery in Brockenhurst
Can you tell me what is the point of the little LCD screen underneath the main dash thanks
The Small screen on the AT is basic info that is always there should you be using the Large screen for Carplay etc
Kove entered 4 bikes in the Dakar and the all finished which says allot for them, are 95hp, and the Rally X version is another 15 kg lighter than the standard 800, is a good bike, will I get one when they start to bring them in. The engine is based on the KTM but has a different head as they make the engine in-house so not the same engine.
That all sounds very positive, Im enthusiastic about them i have to say... I like it
@@ontheroadadventure looking forward to the rally X version, around 165 kg wet weight, I have seen one on the scales with the USA importer, and the old CEO went through the bike at last years ECIMA show.
Impressive
Rich see if you can test ride the Cove 450 liked them look of that
for some off road action. Your both right once your on the bike
rain or not as long as it`s not torrential it`s all good.
I think that one is very tall, I didn’t sit on it this time. I will return to them soon and take some for a test ride
Raining again?! 😂
They know how to tempt people into the Chinese bikes, Kove offering that may well tempt people away from a Yamaha with a saving of a few grand… But of course if the bikes are not reliable they will soon get a poor reputation and no one will want it
Always 😂
Only time will tell
My son and I went bike shopping yesterday and looked at the Africa twin and transalp but we’ve both settled on two new 700 tenere in January
We did consider the Kove too but if I’m honest I’m a little scared of the build quality over time as it’s yet untested
you guys gone for the standard T7? Im not convinced that the Standard T7 is worth buying new as there havent been any upgrades since the first one came out. I think id buy used and get one someone else already put the money into, i wouldnt be worried about buying a CP2 with 20k miles on... But this is the very problem new comers like Kove have... People dont like to gamble with their own money and so it takes a long time before there have been enough youtubers who have actually put real miles on them to prove their worth.... It was the same story with the Benelli TRK's for example i reviewed some time ago... Now they are everywhere and best sellers in Europe, I suspect Voge will have the same success in time
@@ontheroadadventure we’re both going for the twin tanks world raid versions mate blue and yellow paint job
MCN really rated the Kove but for me I’d hunt around for a Tenere World Raid they look mega .
Im interested to know why youd go for the world raid over a standard Tenere? For me a standard Tenere with a New rear shock upgraded would do me... The world raid has a big heavy tank up top that im not sure we need?
Still see lots of people who haven't owned the latest Chinese bikes saying they are no good. I have a cf moto 450 mt and it's brilliant. Many on UA-cam with 10 to 20000 km covered no issues
Hi Matt, I have been watching this one with real interest. CFmoto were clever in giving some bikes to be used and abused by UA-camrs, I watched one guy take his loan bike and did 10k km off road and gave a true to life user experience and almost nothing went wrong or any major issues.... Ok thats only 6k miles But this is defo the way to sell the bike and gain brand confidence. Have they increased the service intervals on the CFmoto yet? Every 3k miles was how it started which is no good, but i believe it was planned to be changed to 6k?
@ontheroadadventure hi, I have seen some owners saying the interval is 6000 miles , will check with mine. It's a great bike but realistically it's still a 40 bhp 450. It sounds amazing and rides well. Would love to see you guys do the nathan the postman small capacity bikes day :)
I leave change from a 20 pound note 😂
LOL See bikers are good people!
After my negative experience with my Moto Guzzi V7 I am staying with Japanese manufacturers. Expensive lesson learnt
What happened with yours bud?
@@ontheroadadventure 0:36 A catalogue of niggling faults.
Dodgy contact on starter switch
Starter motor bendix jammed ( only once)
Front brake light switch failed. Easy fix but what happens if that had been the side stand switch in the middle of nowhere?
Left exhaust had paint flaking off. Moto Guzzi changed it without a fuss.
Changed tyres to find serious corrosion in the hub with seized bolts.
I caused a civil war when Freddie Dobbs read my story on Tuesday at Dobbs a couple of weeks ago.
I had had enough, I lost confidence in it and gone back to Suzuki, GSX8S
yiu missed going to Sammy Miller's motorcycle museum, its about 5 mins from rugged roads. Have you been before?
Yeah we know of it but will save it for another day, we are not too far from there
Are you going to Sammy Millar motorcycle museum while you are in New Forest?
Not this time..
Have you you seen that Aussie abusing his Tennere dragging submerged through flooded tracks blah blah but the Kove has completed the Dakar so who knows the Kove and leave the stale bread and Army rations and buy some decent food ? 😀
Yes that Adam Riemann, He has Been an amazing Advert for Yamaha, they give him the bikes, He certainly proves their worth! I think we are over the army rations now lol
How was your new sleeping set up, Rich?
Awesome!! The sleeping bag is the warmest thing i ever experienced! So good! Cant believe i persisted with the Quilt for so long!
Have you traveled to Morocco?
No Not yet, its on our to do list....
Tenere world raid, all day every day. Problem is I don’t want to sell my tracer 900gt or MT10 to get one. I test rode one & loved it, but it would mean another bike in the garage.
ahhh theres always room for one more...
Hi you 2. I was down the NEW FOREST this September and stayed at the RED SHOOT campsite. You may want to try that one out. Very good indeed. Anyway why I'm messaging is to say that I find it astonishing that all the land the wildlife has to play and roam on they seem to have to be allways on the F-CK--G roads. Really annoying. 😭😭😭Thats everywhere. Not good when on motorbikes.
haha Sods law that is ian!
MCN did a Review on the Kove 800 and all in all, they liked it.......watch this space...!!! Time will tell....my Gut feeling is that...They will be ok, they will have obvious blips , but it is £8,000 ish so.....watch this Space....!!!! 🏍🏍🏍🙏🏼🙏🏼
Things can be forgiven in exchange for such savings.... But Reliability is a Absolute must on a adventure bike...
@ontheroadadventure yes I agree, only time will tell I guess on reliability and how good the bikes are ie parts etc etc I'd love to see you 2 on the kove tho.....maybe you can get a long Term loan of 2 x kove 800 a year maybe....that would be great,
We would love to be the ones to test it out properly. We would take them off for one of our proper 5k mile tours for a month or two and see how it pans out
Turn right out of RR to go home
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LOL we make it up as we go along
Yes, the question pops up very frequently now: Do you want to spend more on a motorcycle and get less in gadgets, but you do get a lot of reliability and a good working service and dealer network with over 50 years of experience--> get the Japanese Yamaha XT700, or...
Do you pay less and get more in gadgets, but you are buying something of which nobody can tell you how well it is and how long it will last, without a thorough dealer network and at the dealers barely any knowledge of this specific motorcycle, and the engine block is derived from a KTM block... yes so a KTM dealer will be able to work on it, you think, so everything really is the same...? --> get a Chinese CF Moto, or any other Chinese product.
Yes, in some cases, a Chinese motorcycle may have some advantages... But the quality of all separate parts together gives the motorcycle the reliability, or not !
And the rule is: you're paying less for something which in theory should be worth more. That's the theory, now I would not want to be the one to find out that in practice the theory does not fly. There is a very well reason why you pay less to get "more". --> first question--> Do you really get "more" when your Chinese pride and joy breaks down on a regular basis? And you will not be able to find a dealer of the Chinese product you bought, nor any dealer who's willing to wrench on your Chinese bike... Especially not under warranty? And how about getting Chinese warranty…? Do you…?
All with all, I would not have to blink my eyes to get the Yamaha XT700--> Absolutely ! After all, am I the true professional who's able to really get the theoretical "more" out of the Chinese bikes--> No I am not, and so is not the vast majority of riders I think. And am I willing to have to deal with potential warranty issues or maintenance issues or lack of Chinese parts issues and non-fitting OEM KTM parts issues. There is a very good reason why you pay less for a Chinese bike, and in theory they do seem to have advantages, but do they really..? Or will you find out in the middle of nowhere that this just is not the case really.
Its cheap. There is a very good reason for that. Ask yourself the question: do you want to be the one to find out why…?
You put your point very well indeed, thank you. I agree, and this is the biggest obstacle to the new Chinese brands… who wants to be first to find out…
Pity the ktm cheese engine is in it 😩😳
That is a worry... Sadly KTM left a bad taste in my mouth.... I was warned, i didnt listen!
I caused a traffic jam . My Tigger has been written off by van driver who went into the back of me. I am happy to be alive. I miss my bike, and the van driver that hit was not uninsured. I have been assured that won't be out of pocket.
Sorry to hear of that, will you buy the Tiger again or fancy something different?
The Morrisons Cafe in St Albans is OK but the Cafe in the large M&S are better
The Cafe next to Helmet City at West Bay is good
The Lugage shop at Helmet City was Used as the Police Station in Broadchurch along with many other places in West Bay
I personaly would never buy a Chinese bike
The new BMW F900 would be my choice
We love a M&S for Fruit, its always good there. Interesting about the chinese bikes though, the Engine in your bike is The very same as in the Voge 900 DSX we had for a couple weeks... Well about 60 percent of the parts are the same if we are honest. I do get the safety of the aftersales support from BMW though
Opposite Helmet City is a fish restaurant called Rachel's. Its brilliant and not silly money.
Yep we know that one 👍
If your kid gets lost, tell them to find a biker. They will move heaven and earth to find their mum
Bikers pride themselves on Respect and doing the right thing. Its why we are known to not tolerate less
According to the KTM President all the KTM engines that gave cam problems have all been Austrian derived units, none of the Chinese units have given problems, they were modified in 2020 anyway so any new bikes; providing they haven't had old stock engines fitted should be OK, as an owner of a 2024 CFMoto 800MT Tour I'm hoping he's not telling porkies.
After my experience with a ktm I will can't say I have much faith in what he has to say lol, but I really do hope for the best of these bikes
To buy Chinese or not chinese🤔 I think this will be a debate which will go on for quite some time, The chinese are turning out lovely looking bikes which seem very capable of lasting the time, fully kitted out ready to go travelling with, all the top notch electronic gizmos. Whilst they have not been in the UK for a long time, in the EU they have been around alot longer and have some great reviews from owners who have put a fair amount of milage on them and put them thru there paces. compared to the Japanese and German bikes the prices seem to be a bargain. Now this is also forcing other manufacturers to offer better deals and with/or free accessories to sweeten the sales. The ones I feel sorry for is the owners of bikes that are 1-3 yrs old as they are now not worth very much, depreciation has always been high in the first couple of years but now they are not worth very much at all. If I had the funds to buy new I would defo look at the new chinese offerings, but I dont. So instead I took advantage of the crashing second hand market and bought a German machine which is tried and tested will go on for ever (hopefully) which is in showroom condition with stupidly low miles for less then half of the Kove 800/voge 900 OK so what I bought isnt new and it's out of warranty but to me at this time as funds allow it seems a better deal. Always waiting with anticipation as to what your next videos will be, a great mixed bag of vids at the mo which is great, your reviews of the bikes are more real world as you use them as 95% of us would and say it exactly as you find it. out of curiosity what is your thoughts on the second hand market? how do you feel what your twins are worth in money value? are they worth more to you as they do everything you want them too? or would you be willing to sell/trade them in for a low price against one of the lower priced chinese bikes? Keep the vids coming ATB.
Thanks and great comments, I think I can answer this by saying the depreciation on a new £20k+ GS or a new 18k AT will be more in 2 years than the cost of a Kove or voge for example, so worst case scenario the Chinese bike lasted two years before it went bang… You’d still be better off financially than buying a new Main brand adventure bike…
@@ontheroadadventure Thats a very interesting point, never thought of it that way.
The Big brands are hoping you don't!
A bike is only as good as the engine thats fitted! Buy in haste repent at leasure springs to mind 😢
I think the Chinese bikes becoming popular is inevitable. Choosing the right time to get on board feels like the gamble
I don't have a problem with ting tong bikes, I bought a second hand 125cc lexmoto 12 month old 9 yrs ago to get me back into motor cycling. At the time everyone was banging on about them rusting and being unreliable. For me it served a purpose and got me back on the road. Had I of bought new with a larger capacity engine I would be wanting something reliable unlike the 125's that have been around in Asia for as long as God's dog.
Yeah, it's no doubt, Chinese built bikes, are making their mark in the world. Like most though, i know we have concerns about durability, and resale. I guess, only time will tell.
If it costs half as much and lasts half as long worst case scenario then personally I think it holds the same value. A new BMW GS depreciation in one year will cost you more than buying this bike outright
No, I would rather have my Tiger sport 660
A fine Machine, Lightweight and enough power for every day use, i think you choose well
Everything thing is made in china nowadays I personally think there bikes are getting better I stick with me owld tiger 800 for now like 😂😂 Ride Safe you 2 🫡👍👍
Yes, it doesnt bother me at all in which country its made, provided it is of decent build quality and the components are strong and good. Also most importantly that spares are available very quickly, its this availability the Chinese brands Must compete with in order to be successful. It doesnt matter how good or cheap a bike is if you cant get replacement parts to keep it on the road
Have to disagree re safety around bikers , I was at a HD rally in south of France , came to go home and my friend had his petrol cap punched ! We unfortunately had to ride to Brugge so had to borrow ! Someone else's !
and so began a huge chain reaction....
@@ontheroadadventure correct , not what we wanted to do but what else could we do at 7am on Sunday morning in St Tropez , it was incredible to think as we were staying on the official site which wasn't cheap and very nice lodges , anyway now moved on from the Harley scene and ride a nice DCT Goldwing !
Yeah but the kove is fuckin ugly look at those headlights and windscreen Na I've still got a bit of pride ...enjoy watching on the road though cheers
Made me laugh this, reminded me of crocs…. And now look 😂
Hugely suspicious of chinese stuff, usually Ok if its overseen by a western company but left to their own devices they WILL cut corners. Tenere would be my choice if I could actually get one of my short legs over one.
The proof of the Kove is in the pudding... Or in this case the miles... We all want to see some with 20-30k miles on in a short space of time, a year or so to see how they fare. We could prove 2 of these within 12 months publicly on our channel but Kove need to be confident enough to do two long term loan bikes... That would show confidence and be a sink or swim test
Desperate chic bait 🤫
You think the ladies will like this?
@@ontheroadadventure. 😮 it worked
The Chinese bikes are a lot lighter because they are made of plastic…😢😢
Usually their down fall is huge heavy steel frames, it’s great they have finally made a light weight bike
When I was shopping for a new bike in 2022 I had the choice of either a CF Moto or a Kawasaki. Knowing what I know about Chinese made products I chose the Kawasaki Versys 650 and have already 35,000 km on it. Its many scars and scratches attest to its having been on adventures on some sketchy roads. I ride on Shinko E 705s. At 479 lbs, its not too heavy to pick up which is important especially for we older riders. I'll be 74 on Boxing Day. As for riding in the rain, I don't like it, especially when my visor becomes suddenly impossible to see through and I have to 'feel' my way to the shoulder to avoid riding blind. I almost hit a deer the other day when it suddenly appeared right at my front wheel whilst on Alberta Hwy 11. I was toodling along at 110. Close call. Somehow that creature managed to dart out of the way. It all happened in a split instant. That's what riding a bike is all about, eh? It's like you are constantly inside a video game. Thanks for today's episode. Ride safe, you guys. Love you too. Bye....
Us bikers accept a bit of risk but not when it comes to reliability of our machines… the safe bet is always going to win until these machines become proven to be a safe bet
@@ontheroadadventure Considering there are lots of times on highways that I hit over 140 km/hr. I keep my bike maintained by a top notch Kawasaki technician. Fastest I got up to on my Versys is 180. Could not squeeze another drop out of her. Not my preferred speed. I also do not take chances with my tires and make sure pressures are always what they should be. I keep a pressure gauge under my seat.
Look after your bike and it will look after you