I read the comments while listening to this demo, only looking up at the video when there was a sound that I loved. Every time I looked at the video he was playing the Roland. This is how everyone should do these videos; if one sounds better to your ears without looking at brand names, etc. you will love that instrument.
*_Definitely one of the better videos!_* Would like to have seen the screens of each to really know the comparison of sounds. Both have their weaknesses and strong points.
Played the Juno DS at the store couple weeks ago, very impressive. It sounded a lot more like a classic synth than I thought it would be. Definitely a good choice. From what I gather in this video, the Korg does well in the cosmic, crystalline like sound.
I just bought the DS 88 and I must say, the sampling feature, the ability to upload other Roland boards into as well as sample sounds from other boards like Nord and Kurzweil, wins it for me! It also has a step sequencer and the ability to layer sounds and control their volumes in real time! #TeamRoland
After listening and view a lot of reviews to the casio px5, Kurzweil sp88x, korg kross and Juno ds88 i decided by Roland, about the pads sounds and key sensibility and i love it. Totally recomended.
@@RichRocketMan yes, happy but i don't use all the keyboard skills. I choose it because the relationship between the sound of the other instruments and the realism of the key was a perfect balance, in addition to the relation quality-price. Regards
I needed an 88 to update my workhorse Yamaha. I went with Korg. The weighted keys feel great, sounds are amazing. I own a couple small Korg snyths and am totally happy with them too. I'm sure the Roland rocks too. Enjoy!
I'm really surprised by the comments. I watched, listened and then turned to the comments. I expected everyone to prefer the Korg. I sure did, but this wasn't the case.
A really useful comparison. Maybe Kross 2 is more of an all-purpose workstation with better acoustic instruments and Juno DS is more capable as a sound-editing synthesizer. Just speculating - I would like to have them both.
Great comment. And true too. The DS has the worst acoustic instrument sounds ever. Worse than my cheesy Casio. But great features for the price. And Roland has NEVER been known for accurate acoustic sounds. You get a Yamaha for that…
@@kbrown649mas equivocado no puedes estar. Ese comentario del casio es una mentira, toda la vida he tenido casio y nunca uno de estos va a sonar como un roland, Halgo tienes en contra de esta marca de instrumento, pero no puedes decidir por todos. Yo tengo un fantom y un juno ds y son espectaculares, no tan solo hay que tener el sonido perfecto sino que hacerlo sonar perfecto. " toma clases".
Can you make a demo of how the Kross 2 Update and VST plugg-in works on Cubase? (Or any DAW). I'd like to know whether I can use the Kross 2 sounds while recording with another external DAW like Roland Quad Capture or if losing the "Audio USB" functionality and using the Kross 2 as MIDI controller would unable me to use its internal sounds as VST. Or no demo but telling me if you can do so.
I watched many reviews of all the latest synthesizers out there and what I discovered the best bang-for-the-buck was the Roland Juno ds88 got a nice deep keybed with weighted keys excellent piano sounds excellent layering capabilities although it is limited in the sequencing you can only sequence 8 bars at the max so it's not really meant to be a workstation but you can use it with your recording unit and have as many tracks as you want but all in all it's a great piano now I just need to learn how to play but there is a huge learning curve so basically. you have to be a scientist to know how to use these things.But the keybed is why I chose it and its midi capabilities.
I was looking at the 61-key models of both of these boards and the only really appealing feature to me with the Juno DS,is the access to the sound libraries(which is quite a dichotomy though)...as Roland has an enormous amount of extra sounds,but only half of the midi tracks and sampler pads and the f**king keyboard costs $100 more than the Korg Kross 2...wtf!? Roland has always created over-priced disasters,when it comes to workstations(particulalrly the Fantom series(shit sounds,not enough memory,ridiculously overpriced expansion cards) and when they finally got the new Fantom keyboard right(great sounds & functionality)... they want $3,400 just for their f**king 61-key model! Roland is a retarded company...which is why I have NEVER owned a Roland product and NEVER will.
Can you tell me about key bed as in Kross 1 keys were sticky and feeble like a toy so please elaborate further for any improvement in kebed as it matters the most. Juno ds keys are tight but I haven't tried kross2.
TheMundo I don't think it has any problems. I bought the Roland as well. I like the Korg too but I think the Juno is easier to use in a live setting. I like having the faders to control the levels and the vocoder is fun.
Hello guys i just want to ask if you already played or seen the 76keys juno ds? I just want to know regarding with the size of the keys, if it is the same with 61keys or the 88 keys? Thank you sir🙏
If you're playing live with guitar & drums the Kross 2 has a little more sonic clarity - it will hold it's own better. I also hear way more subtle nuances and effects layering with the Kross 2.
Hello thanks you for the démo ! Somebody Can Say me actually, for 61 keys, which as the best electric piano sounds... ? I like reface CP but not enough place to use a master keybord+ a reface CP... Thank you !
I just complained about you not comparing piano sounds but realize you have a different video comparing just piano sounds...sorry hehe GREAT VIDEO!! and thank you!
i still choose korg kross 2, than roland ds.... even thouht korg is a little bit complicated to use it but if you knw the features better.. maybe you will love it! hehehe :-)
I like the Korg sound but the feel of the key action feels cheaper than the price that it's at. Between these two models, for playing I'd choose this Roland but if somebody else is playing I'll make them choose the Korg, lolz.
I've just purchased a Juno DS 76 .I'll let you all know. The sounds on both keyboards are amazing. The Roland Aira system 8 is fantastic,tried that, too. Just wanted a bigger board
Brian - Hey, there. I'm leaning toward buying your exact board, but the Korg is keeping me up at night debating it. I would REALLY appreciare your thoughts after a year?
@@RichRocketMan Hi, I took the Juno DS back and swapped it for the Roland FA 07. It's more money, but it is a better board. The sounds are clearer, it has Roland's superNATURAL engine. Also, the key bed is more responsive. To be honest, if I was buying a keyboard now, I'd be tempted to go for the New Fantom. I tested it in store, some time back . That is an awesome piece of hardware. So, if you are looking, still at purchasing the JUNO, my advice would be to pay the extra and go for the FA. If you are able to, aim even higher, and go for the Fantom. It is the only keyboard you have to buy, ever. But, it is pricey.
@@mac651000 Brian - Thanks for the comments. You're right, FA 07 is quite a bit more money, but it looks far and away superior. Checking out the Korg Krome EX 73 as a middle of the road option. My goals are portability to move it around the house so I can experiment and come up with song ideas without staring at same wall all day, but no live performances. Want to easily record and import/export tracks. Need rich beautiful piano sounds because that is my passion. On FA 07 looks like you can easily import your own WAV samples and easily save and export recordings to SD card in WAV format? Second question - I was willing to give up 88 keys for some portability, thus the 73 key DS, but 61 keys? Do you miss them? Lastly, the 8 track limit on the DS also gave me pause, where your board goes up to 16. Do you end up using over 8? Thanks so much for your time and input!
@@RichRocketMan You can import and export sounds on the FA. It can be done by USB or the SD card that comes with the board. My FA also came with Ableton 9 LIte, which immediately upgraded to 10 Lite, when downloading. It's been a very useful tool. The 16 track is an advantage. More is always better. It just depends whether you need double the amount? To be frank, I don't utilize the whole 16 tracks, and I must admit, I prefer using my Ableton DAW. Both the DS and the FA comes in a 76 key version (mine is a 76) I don't think I have missed the 12 extra keys. There is an octave shift facility on the FA (and I think on the DS. I can't remember) If you want the 88 key version, I will say, there are better 88 keybeds on the market. The FA 8 does not use the V series found on the RD2000, and now, the new Fantom8. It isn't bad, but I found it stiff. However, the FA 8 has a better keybed than the DS88.
@@mac651000 Brian - Thanks so much for your comments! Going to give it sone thought and a pro/con list. As a creativity, idea exploration tool, looks like I can't really go wrong with either keyboard. Take care!
how do the key beds feel comparatively? Everyone seems partial to the sound which means it comes down to the feel and the UI. I feel this is the case with most models excluding analog
Kross2 61 keybed is junk, the Juno's keybed is a lot better, any version of it. The Kross2-88 keybed is okay, but the black keys are not balanced correctly and feel awkward to use. Juno-DS88 has a better keybed than the rest, even versus the more expensive Krome EX 88 and MODX8.
I recently acquired the juno. Infact i debated, researched as much as i could on these exact 2 models. I knew they would both have great feeling sounds. It boiled down to vocoder/pitch control, ease of using the interface and the learning curve. After a few videosand live in-store sessions i was drawn to the ease of the roland to get in and out manipulating anything then get out and play. I am sour about its usb step for sampling since korg can plug and play samples. However if you are not familiar with an intro synth, the roland wiĺl be quick fun and rewarding to learn. Ive had it about 2 weeks and the Sounds are sweet. My main gripe is the manual is literally only 15 pages long???? Everything else is a pdf file for paremeters etc. If you really are interested in dropping 700 dollars on a piece of plastic this machine truely has some awesome effects tweaks and customization abilities to make it your own. Off topic, what is the name of that keyboard stand???
Eric, I picked up a 'DS recently as well. I've really only put in 2 sessions fidgeting with the patch parameters, but I can tell you that the Juno Di editor program is very helpful for helping to visualize the signal routing while you edit. The only gotcha I ran into was that the Di editor didn't seem to be compatible with the parameter in the first "tab" on the DS edit screen (on the keyboard itself), so I had to do some fidgeting on the keyboard menu there rather than on the computer screen, notably to assign and save the resulting patch in a user patch memory slot.
What the dealbreaker could be is the ivory feel keys vs the gloss top keys. I don't know if korg picked up on that but roland keys are so aesthetic flat
Funny, he's playing I'm A Believer by the Monkees on both keyboard. In our band, I also have a Korg Kross 2 and I play I'm A Believer live on it. I love my Kross 2 and am thinking about buying a Roland DS 76 for my bottom board.
I have the Juno 61. That baby gets it done. I use it stand alone and also in combination with the Akai MPC One and FL Studio. It is a Monster. I also realize, when I get to messing with it time doesn't matter till it hits me...I gotta go to work in the morning...I be all night on the Roland
@@JVJF7 true, but the Kross2 isn't the sequencing, sampling, and FX processing beast that the MPC is, but one can certainly make do without the MPC and laptop if wielding a Kross2
@@ivyriley2916 Yes, the Juno can be hooked up via 5-pin DIN MIDI like most gear. Mastering the Juno's audio output? Depending on how you want to do that, you can try to squash all of the audio at once or go one part at a time. If you meant get multi-track output from the Juno, that can't be done. The MC-707 and Fantom can do that with Ableton, if I'm not mistaken, but those are the only ones, and only with Ableton.
@@Jason75913 thanks for answering,, i just found out that you can connect the roland juno usb the the MPC-one and use the Roland as a sound module in performance mode and can get 16 tracks of sound out of the Roland,, and the MPC would be you main sequencer...
Having a hard time deciding on the roland Go keys, VR09, jv30 and juno ds 61. which one has the best hammond sound. Can't remember which one has the stops
The vr is more like a gigging keyboard. The Juno ds is more like a does it all keyboard. If you want organ with drawbars the vr would be it. The Juno could be setup as a drawbar organ with switching sound patches and a lot of tinkering. The other option is to download more organs from the axial website.
maybe the best comparison is to see if you can make them both sound like the other. I'm guessing the Roland would be easier to make sound like the Korg and possibly the Korg can't be made to sound like the Roland.
I'm a drummer, but just checking out the boards. I have Bose headphones on and they sound awesome. I couldn't find the word to describe the one I liked a tad bit more, which is the Roland. It sounds warmer..
Hey Ryan. I was surprised to see another drummer here ( im a multi instrumentalist ) but the drums are everything! WITHOUT THE GROOVE? There isnt any music that is going to TOUCH YOU! Anyway, Listening to these two synths, the drums on the Korg sound so much more REAL the rolands drums to me sound very sterile and electronic. What style of music do you love to play on drums?
@@rockybalboa2526 Greetings.. I like all genres of music, because I enjoy listening to good musicians. I have a R & B band that plays hip-hop, rap, pop and a few jazz pieces all with a funky swing to them.I really don't have a favorite to play, but I enjoy listening gospel the most.
@@ryanspeed4671 Hey, would like to talk about possibly playing drums on 3 full albums of new 80s music i am remaking? There is a bigger opportunity here too. But first things first. Check out these 2 songs and imagine playing acoustic drums on them ( with reverb/delay / in stereo ) : )
It seems that both timbres are the same after each other with minimal differences, is there any competition here, that after the release of one instrument and its listening by a competitor. A second synthesizer came out to catch up, but from a different company? And who came out to whom? Who rolled it from whom? Who came out the winner in the end? Question for the pros: which one of them has an easier and simpler synthesizer control?
I've started looking at these as I am gigging with a korg karma which I love, but know it's age is getting on a bit. I have a Roland Fantom and a Trinity V3 in my studio which are awesome synths but very heavy to gig with. I think both the kross and DS would do the job with no problems. My residing factor will be the key action. So I will be making a trip to try them out myself. Great video.
Korg sounds natural in a way that I would surely consider best. Overall feartures weigh higher on Korg plus it's sound engine. So better Korg which sounds original.
Hmmm to me the Roland sounds more assertive, more harmonic content and dare I say sounds more expensive (at least on the BT speakers I'm listening on - could be totally wrong ;-), not much on it but the sequencer on the Korg wins it for me. I've already got decent synths and keyboards and just want a cheap portable (battery powered) 'do it all' workstation that I can take to a quiet room and records some ideas without having to piss about with cables, laptops or any other gear.
Seems that the velocity settings was higher on the Korg. Listen and watch it carefully ;-) Anyway, the Roland sounds more digital and compressed. I would prefer the Korg sound in music production because its more natural and have an "open" feeling, the programing of effects sounds also much better to me
I think Korg's pianos and e-pianos aren't strong as the same sounds in Roland, but more realistic. Organs are better on Korg, but leslie simulation on Roland is more clear and realistic. Synths are better on Roland. I have a problem :D
Korg has more insert effects than Roland... but you cannot assign a Reverb and a Delay at the same program/combi , The Sound Cutting at a program/combi change bothers some ppl...DS has the same problem, but only in performance mode, Two great Machines, I'd love to get a Kross2, but I have not decided yet.
Wszystko zależy od zespołu i jego tendencji do brzmienia w pewnych pasmach. U mnie w kapeli lepiej się klei Korg, bo mój basista brzmi bardzo tłusto i Motif i Roland giną w miksie. Jak kręcę eq, żeby się wbić w pasmo, to podcinając dół tracę pewne ładne artefakty, które nadają brzmieniu charakteru, gdy brzmi solo. W tym porównaniu Rolanda sample podobają mi się bardziej, są mniej przenikliwe i słodsze, ale wiem, że w moim zespole lepiej zagadałby Kross.
are all sounds amazing? some people say Juno or XPS30 have bad quality sounds... is it true? or does it need a good amplifier like roland or BEHRINGER to have the best sound? THNAKS
When I take output the sound quality of kross 2 sucks whether I take one or two outputs the quality is very bad. But it works perfectly with headphone. Does anyone know about this
Yo tuve un Kross 2 y honestamente los órganos y los strings se me hicieron mucho mejores que los del Juno DS, aunque no me arrepiento de haber obtenido el Juno, pues es buenísimo en sus sonidos en cuanto a piano acústico y piano eléctrico hablamos
Assuming that you have a general idea with regards to the: KORG Kross2 and the Roland DS-61, which is better; in terms of SYNTHS, as presented in the video, its modification diversity such as; (waveforms, oscillators, attack, release, cutoff, editing every preset patch, creating and saving new patches, etc.)? I would like to create a satisfactory purchase achieving a synth lead, ambient, and acoustic sounds whilst U.I. navigation is rather satisfactory.
UIs are very similar with parameters organized into pages. Roland factory presets cannot be overwritten but Korg ones can. The Juno has more waveforms but its synth waveforms (JP sawtooth, MG Sine, etc.) don't quite sound as good as the Korg's sometimes. Korg oscillators are a bit more limited, but it has more modulation capabilities. The Korg gets multiple filter options, best sounding one being the parallel filter, while the Roland requires a little improvisation to achieve the same. Both have ADSR envelopes to tweak. The Juno has a "frequency cross-mod" option to make its sounds more industrial or outright distorted, as well as oscillator drift if you want a sound to imitate vintage gear a little more. Which is better? Depends on what you want to do with it. The Korg has the far better sequencer and a nifty sampler, the Roland has the better acoustic sounds and keybed, and its synth sound palette is different from the Korg's; however, it can still manage making synthpads and bell sounds that wouldn't come out as nice on the Korg while the Korg can make better leads and basses. They are both even in terms of plucks and stabs, it seems to me so far. I picked up the Juno recently, and just sold my old Kross1 to upgrade to the Kross2. Having both the Juno and Kross2 is even better than just one or the other. ;) But if you have to pick just one, it depends too much on you for me to just tell you, "get this one."
Witam. Czy w Roland JUNO DS można załadować własne sample perkusyjne przypisując je np. do dzwięków C1, D2 itd. i tworzyć swoje DrumKits ??? Dziękuję za odpowiedź oraz świetne prezentacje instrumentów... Pozdrawiam.
Trudne zadanie w sensie oceny. W mojej opinii k jest bardziej miękki a co za tym idzie elastyczny. R natomiast ma lekką agresję. Ma jednak przewagę w sensie modulacji nie tylko w sesji ale nawet na żywo. Myślę że ostatecznym rozstrzygnięciem będzie konfrontacja obok na żywo. Innej możliwości nie widzę.
I own both - sort of. My DS is the DS88 - weighted and heavy. My Kross is a 61. The Kross sounds better on most patches - particularly piano, organ and e-pianos. I think the strings, brass and synths are equal. I am looking to dump the DS and get something different. The Kross is more versatile. If they were the other way around (88 key Kross and DS61, I would keep the DS).
OK, a question for gigging musicians: which one of these, or perhaps a closely matched and priced competitor, would prove to be most useful on stage? I think I would be happy with the sound of either one; what about play-ability, changing bank/registers, on the fly adjustments, splits and layers and switching thereof, etc. Thanks for any useful info anyone can provide! Oh, and can I run my bass guitar through any of them? On several songs I swap back and forth, using the Right split and output for keys bass. Tone and volume I can match really well with my Casio, each going to the amp separately, but it would be nice to take both through the same effects chain.
The Juno-DS is better suited for on-the-fly work and adjustments, plus has the best keybed. Both can take your bass and process it a bit, but the Korg is far better suited to processing external sounds. It has a built-in digital recorder, too, among a hell of a lot of features. Its sample pads are much better than the Roland's, too.
AnAmericanGuitarist Yes I’m With Roland first and for most... . But Korg Has Just way way more features Under the hood plus A library thanks to the (classic triton series)and the largest sound banks on earth 🌏
You did not play any piano sounds. I have had Roland's keys and Korg and without any doubt Korg doesn't have the best piano sounds. I've had many Korgs all the way too blue Triton extreme work station. Roland has always beat the piano sounds if you don't believe me go to music store and try them urself the Roland Juno DS 61 keys to start is a good buy. It has great sounds. The first piano sound on list is grand piano and you can hear how beautiful it sounds add strings and you sound like you shud be playing in a heavenly choir that's how good Roland keyboard sound. Korg still my 2nd choice to have on the aside.
I don't have much experience with Kross, but from Kronos on Korg's piano took a great turn for better, and I think it was exported to both Krome and Kross 2. Thus we should expect Kross 2's pianos to be a lot better than Triton's. Mind you however that I'm talking about Piano quality between Korg gear, I'm not comparing with Roland's because I don't have any experience with their equipment.
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hi my country has a difference of 100 dollars between kross 2 and Juno, is Juno still a better choice ?.. i heard learning curve is easier in roland than KOrg
I looked at these two boards when I was looking for a new board. I got the Juno ds 88 later on. I liked the fact that I could layer 16 sounds plus all the other features. I like korg kross 2 but didn’t like the controls for changing sounds.
I read the comments while listening to this demo, only looking up at the video when there was a sound that I loved. Every time I looked at the video he was playing the Roland. This is how everyone should do these videos; if one sounds better to your ears without looking at brand names, etc. you will love that instrument.
Exactly I’m doing that now. And now all I want is videos like this.
*_Definitely one of the better videos!_* Would like to have seen the screens of each to really know the comparison of sounds. Both have their weaknesses and strong points.
Played the Juno DS at the store couple weeks ago, very impressive. It sounded a lot more like a classic synth than I thought it would be. Definitely a good choice. From what I gather in this video, the Korg does well in the cosmic, crystalline like sound.
Finally... Someone with a keen sense of digi-timbre... thank you.
Love Roland but Kronos2 has a very keen edge on most sounds...
Cheers, Dan.
I just bought the DS 88 and I must say, the sampling feature, the ability to upload other Roland boards into as well as sample sounds from other boards like Nord and Kurzweil, wins it for me! It also has a step sequencer and the ability to layer sounds and control their volumes in real time! #TeamRoland
@Jamie Princescrew off
how do you import Nord sounds into the DS ?
Hey I have a Nord Electro 6D that lacks sequencer and arpeggiator, how can I add Nord Samples library sounds into the DS ?
Both of these are incredible Machín es!!! . It would be a matter of personal choice.
After listening and view a lot of reviews to the casio px5, Kurzweil sp88x, korg kross and Juno ds88 i decided by Roland, about the pads sounds and key sensibility and i love it. Totally recomended.
Matias - Happy with the DS? 8 pads enough? I'm at analysis paralysis! Thoughts?
@@RichRocketMan yes, happy but i don't use all the keyboard skills. I choose it because the relationship between the sound of the other instruments and the realism of the key was a perfect balance, in addition to the relation quality-price. Regards
@@matiastomic6570 Much appreciated! Thank you!
I needed an 88 to update my workhorse Yamaha. I went with Korg. The weighted keys feel great, sounds are amazing. I own a couple small Korg snyths and am totally happy with them too. I'm sure the Roland rocks too. Enjoy!
I own a Roland DS 61 for the price its amazing I've had it since 2017 and still enjoy playing it
do u recomend it to make all Coldplay covers (pianos, organs, synth, pads and effects)?
I'm really surprised by the comments. I watched, listened and then turned to the comments. I expected everyone to prefer the Korg. I sure did, but this wasn't the case.
I own the Juno DS and I love it!
A really useful comparison. Maybe Kross 2 is more of an all-purpose workstation with better acoustic instruments and Juno DS is more capable as a sound-editing synthesizer. Just speculating - I would like to have them both.
you're right on
Great comment. And true too. The DS has the worst acoustic instrument sounds ever. Worse than my cheesy Casio. But great features for the price. And Roland has NEVER been known for accurate acoustic sounds. You get a Yamaha for that…
@@kbrown649mas equivocado no puedes estar. Ese comentario del casio es una mentira, toda la vida he tenido casio y nunca uno de estos va a sonar como un roland,
Halgo tienes en contra de esta marca de instrumento, pero no puedes decidir por todos. Yo tengo un fantom y un juno ds y son espectaculares, no tan solo hay que tener el sonido perfecto sino que hacerlo sonar perfecto.
" toma clases".
Can you make a demo of how the Kross 2 Update and VST plugg-in works on Cubase? (Or any DAW). I'd like to know whether I can use the Kross 2 sounds while recording with another external DAW like Roland Quad Capture or if losing the "Audio USB" functionality and using the Kross 2 as MIDI controller would unable me to use its internal sounds as VST. Or no demo but telling me if you can do so.
I see mixed opinions all over. i declare a tie! 🤣
I watched many reviews of all the latest synthesizers out there and what I discovered the best bang-for-the-buck was the Roland Juno ds88 got a nice deep keybed with weighted keys excellent piano sounds excellent layering capabilities although it is limited in the sequencing you can only sequence 8 bars at the max so it's not really meant to be a workstation but you can use it with your recording unit and have as many tracks as you want but all in all it's a great piano now I just need to learn how to play but there is a huge learning curve so basically. you have to be a scientist to know how to use these things.But the keybed is why I chose it and its midi capabilities.
I was looking at the 61-key models of both of these boards and the only really appealing feature to me with the Juno DS,is the access to the sound libraries(which is quite a dichotomy though)...as Roland has an enormous amount of extra sounds,but only half of the midi tracks and sampler pads and the f**king keyboard costs $100 more than the Korg Kross 2...wtf!? Roland has always created over-priced disasters,when it comes to workstations(particulalrly the Fantom series(shit sounds,not enough memory,ridiculously overpriced expansion cards) and when they finally got the new Fantom keyboard right(great sounds & functionality)... they want $3,400 just for their f**king 61-key model! Roland is a retarded company...which is why I have NEVER owned a Roland product and NEVER will.
@@HighlandStudio91esa es tu opinion que yo no comparto para nada.
Oh so you can only record 8 bars? I thought it had a proper song sequencer.
Ahi esta ru problema es que nunca lo has tenido, por eso tremenda bocota, resentido mediocre.
Can you tell me about key bed as in Kross 1 keys were sticky and feeble like a toy so please elaborate further for any improvement in kebed as it matters the most. Juno ds keys are tight but I haven't tried kross2.
Just ordered the Roland based off of this. Got it used for 540 with shipping... Fingers crossed!
String Shimmer how do you like it?
@@officialWWM what's the problem with it?
TheMundo I don't think it has any problems. I bought the Roland as well. I like the Korg too but I think the Juno is easier to use in a live setting. I like having the faders to control the levels and the vocoder is fun.
@@officialWWM The Korg also has vocoder
2 years later, what are your thoughts?
Hello guys i just want to ask if you already played or seen the 76keys juno ds? I just want to know regarding with the size of the keys, if it is the same with 61keys or the 88 keys? Thank you sir🙏
If you're playing live with guitar & drums the Kross 2 has a little more sonic clarity - it will hold it's own better. I also hear way more subtle nuances and effects layering with the Kross 2.
Love the Strings part...I'm a Roland fan so...
Hello thanks you for the démo ! Somebody Can Say me actually, for 61 keys, which as the best electric piano sounds... ? I like reface CP but not enough place to use a master keybord+ a reface CP... Thank you !
Roland Juno-DS has the best sound to my ears except for String sounds, i think KORG is the boss in this category of sounds!
I just complained about you not comparing piano sounds but realize you have a different video comparing just piano sounds...sorry hehe GREAT VIDEO!! and thank you!
I would like to know what presets some of those are. My DS 61 does not seem to have them.
i still choose korg kross 2, than roland ds.... even thouht korg is a little bit complicated to use it but if you knw the features better.. maybe you will love it! hehehe :-)
Question. Does sustain pedal works switching presets for both? Cos I have Moxf8. If i chage saved presets previous sound cuts off..
I like the Korg sound but the feel of the key action feels cheaper than the price that it's at. Between these two models, for playing I'd choose this Roland but if somebody else is playing I'll make them choose the Korg, lolz.
This comment was actually surprisingly helpful! Thank you
Korg strings sound feel fabulous
Yess
Best demo so far.
I've just purchased a Juno DS 76 .I'll let you all know. The sounds on both keyboards are amazing. The Roland Aira system 8 is fantastic,tried that, too. Just wanted a bigger board
Brian - Hey, there. I'm leaning toward buying your exact board, but the Korg is keeping me up at night debating it. I would REALLY appreciare your thoughts after a year?
@@RichRocketMan Hi, I took the Juno DS back and swapped it for the Roland FA 07. It's more money, but it is a better board. The sounds are clearer, it has Roland's superNATURAL engine. Also, the key bed is more responsive. To be honest, if I was buying a keyboard now, I'd be tempted to go for the New Fantom. I tested it in store, some time back . That is an awesome piece of hardware. So, if you are looking, still at purchasing the JUNO, my advice would be to pay the extra and go for the FA. If you are able to, aim even higher, and go for the Fantom. It is the only keyboard you have to buy, ever. But, it is pricey.
@@mac651000 Brian - Thanks for the comments. You're right, FA 07 is quite a bit more money, but it looks far and away superior. Checking out the Korg Krome EX 73 as a middle of the road option. My goals are portability to move it around the house so I can experiment and come up with song ideas without staring at same wall all day, but no live performances. Want to easily record and import/export tracks. Need rich beautiful piano sounds because that is my passion. On FA 07 looks like you can easily import your own WAV samples and easily save and export recordings to SD card in WAV format? Second question - I was willing to give up 88 keys for some portability, thus the 73 key DS, but 61 keys? Do you miss them? Lastly, the 8 track limit on the DS also gave me pause, where your board goes up to 16. Do you end up using over 8? Thanks so much for your time and input!
@@RichRocketMan You can import and export sounds on the FA. It can be done by USB or the SD card that comes with the board. My FA also came with Ableton 9 LIte, which immediately upgraded to 10 Lite, when downloading. It's been a very useful tool. The 16 track is an advantage. More is always better. It just depends whether you need double the amount? To be frank, I don't utilize the whole 16 tracks, and I must admit, I prefer using my Ableton DAW. Both the DS and the FA comes in a 76 key version (mine is a 76) I don't think I have missed the 12 extra keys. There is an octave shift facility on the FA (and I think on the DS. I can't remember) If you want the 88 key version, I will say, there are better 88 keybeds on the market. The FA 8 does not use the V series found on the RD2000, and now, the new Fantom8. It isn't bad, but I found it stiff. However, the FA 8 has a better keybed than the DS88.
@@mac651000 Brian - Thanks so much for your comments! Going to give it sone thought and a pro/con list. As a creativity, idea exploration tool, looks like I can't really go wrong with either keyboard. Take care!
Both sounds fine. Korg add a 16tk sequencer and step sequencer
Is there any videos on how to use it?
@@soulsurfer1212 thank you.
7:50 what category was that in JUNO? Synth? Or world?
how do the key beds feel comparatively? Everyone seems partial to the sound which means it comes down to the feel and the UI. I feel this is the case with most models excluding analog
for me roland's keybed feels better , since i owned both kross and xps30 before
Kross2 61 keybed is junk, the Juno's keybed is a lot better, any version of it. The Kross2-88 keybed is okay, but the black keys are not balanced correctly and feel awkward to use. Juno-DS88 has a better keybed than the rest, even versus the more expensive Krome EX 88 and MODX8.
ciao mi daresti un consiglio tra yamaha mx88 e kross88?Grazie e complimenti
I recently acquired the juno. Infact i debated, researched as much as i could on these exact 2 models. I knew they would both have great feeling sounds. It boiled down to vocoder/pitch control, ease of using the interface and the learning curve. After a few videosand live in-store sessions i was drawn to the ease of the roland to get in and out manipulating anything then get out and play. I am sour about its usb step for sampling since korg can plug and play samples. However if you are not familiar with an intro synth, the roland wiĺl be quick fun and rewarding to learn. Ive had it about 2 weeks and the Sounds are sweet.
My main gripe is the manual is literally only 15 pages long???? Everything else is a pdf file for paremeters etc. If you really are interested in dropping 700 dollars on a piece of plastic this machine truely has some awesome effects tweaks and customization abilities to make it your own.
Off topic, what is the name of that keyboard stand???
Eric, I picked up a 'DS recently as well. I've really only put in 2 sessions fidgeting with the patch parameters, but I can tell you that the Juno Di editor program is very helpful for helping to visualize the signal routing while you edit.
The only gotcha I ran into was that the Di editor didn't seem to be compatible with the parameter in the first "tab" on the DS edit screen (on the keyboard itself), so I had to do some fidgeting on the keyboard menu there rather than on the computer screen, notably to assign and save the resulting patch in a user patch memory slot.
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The timbre at 8:21 is wonderful. What is the name?
They're both good. Just the Roland sounds like mix. The Korg sounds like mix and master
What the dealbreaker could be is the ivory feel keys vs the gloss top keys. I don't know if korg picked up on that but roland keys are so aesthetic flat
Hi is it true that when you switch to another patch theres a cut on the sounds?
Esse som de cordas do krog kross 2 é lindo demais !!!
Funny, he's playing I'm A Believer by the Monkees on both keyboard. In our band, I also have a Korg Kross 2 and I play I'm A Believer live on it. I love my Kross 2 and am thinking about buying a Roland DS 76 for my bottom board.
did you get ds76? if so, how is your experience?
I have the Juno 61. That baby gets it done. I use it stand alone and also in combination with the Akai MPC One and FL Studio. It is a Monster. I also realize, when I get to messing with it time doesn't matter till it hits me...I gotta go to work in the morning...I be all night on the Roland
With the Korg you don't need the mpc and a laptop
@@JVJF7 true, but the Kross2 isn't the sequencing, sampling, and FX processing beast that the MPC is, but one can certainly make do without the MPC and laptop if wielding a Kross2
Can the Juno be synced to the mpc wile using the mpc sequencer to master the juno sounds track by track,, such as midi 1,, midi 2. etc.
@@ivyriley2916 Yes, the Juno can be hooked up via 5-pin DIN MIDI like most gear. Mastering the Juno's audio output? Depending on how you want to do that, you can try to squash all of the audio at once or go one part at a time. If you meant get multi-track output from the Juno, that can't be done. The MC-707 and Fantom can do that with Ableton, if I'm not mistaken, but those are the only ones, and only with Ableton.
@@Jason75913 thanks for answering,, i just found out that you can connect the roland juno usb the the MPC-one and use the Roland as a sound module in performance mode and can get 16 tracks of sound out of the Roland,, and the MPC would be you main sequencer...
Can I download Roland tones for my korg kroos
Which is better to use live? Is one more user friendly, louder , etc?
Having a hard time deciding on the roland Go keys, VR09, jv30 and juno ds 61. which one has the best hammond sound. Can't remember which one has the stops
The vr is more like a gigging keyboard. The Juno ds is more like a does it all keyboard. If you want organ with drawbars the vr would be it. The Juno could be setup as a drawbar organ with switching sound patches and a lot of tinkering. The other option is to download more organs from the axial website.
maybe the best comparison is to see if you can make them both sound like the other. I'm guessing the Roland would be easier to make sound like the Korg and possibly the Korg can't be made to sound like the Roland.
What’s the sound called at 1:12? I have a juno ds and would love to use that patch. If anyone knows please tell me, I would really appreciate it.
Wayne Wright Don't know the exact name of the patch , 'cause I don't own one.But it's an electric piano (Rhodes) with a flanger fx on it , I guess.
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Both have great accordion sounds. Very tough choice.
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LOL 😂 I noticed this too
I'm a drummer, but just checking out the boards. I have Bose headphones on and they sound awesome. I couldn't find the word to describe the one I liked a tad bit more, which is the Roland. It sounds warmer..
Hey Ryan. I was surprised to see another drummer here ( im a multi instrumentalist ) but the drums are everything! WITHOUT THE GROOVE? There isnt any music that is going to TOUCH YOU! Anyway, Listening to these two synths, the drums on the Korg sound so much more REAL the rolands drums to me sound very sterile and electronic. What style of music do you love to play on drums?
@@rockybalboa2526 Greetings.. I like all genres of music, because I enjoy listening to good musicians. I have a R & B band that plays hip-hop, rap, pop and a few jazz pieces all with a funky swing to them.I really don't have a favorite to play, but I enjoy listening gospel the most.
@@ryanspeed4671 Are you in or around the NYC east cost area? How do you feel about 80s music?
@@rockybalboa2526 I live in Maryland and 80's/90's music was a great time from music. Some of the best in my opinion.
@@ryanspeed4671 Hey, would like to talk about possibly playing drums on 3 full albums of new 80s music i am remaking? There is a bigger opportunity here too. But first things first. Check out these 2 songs and imagine playing acoustic drums on them ( with reverb/delay / in stereo ) : )
It seems that both timbres are the same after each other with minimal differences, is there any competition here, that after the release of one instrument and its listening by a competitor. A second synthesizer came out to catch up, but from a different company? And who came out to whom? Who rolled it from whom? Who came out the winner in the end? Question for the pros: which one of them has an easier and simpler synthesizer control?
What are the first 3 instruments? (Voices)
Good to hear this. It would be much better if you would write down the names of the voices you use so we’d know
I've started looking at these as I am gigging with a korg karma which I love, but know it's age is getting on a bit. I have a Roland Fantom and a Trinity V3 in my studio which are awesome synths but very heavy to gig with. I think both the kross and DS would do the job with no problems. My residing factor will be the key action. So I will be making a trip to try them out myself. Great video.
what have you decided
Doug Dixon I had a korg karma a very collectable synth they only made 25,000 units.
Korg sounds natural in a way that I would surely consider best. Overall feartures weigh higher on Korg plus it's sound engine. So better Korg which sounds original.
Hmmm to me the Roland sounds more assertive, more harmonic content and dare I say sounds more expensive (at least on the BT speakers I'm listening on - could be totally wrong ;-), not much on it but the sequencer on the Korg wins it for me. I've already got decent synths and keyboards and just want a cheap portable (battery powered) 'do it all' workstation that I can take to a quiet room and records some ideas without having to piss about with cables, laptops or any other gear.
Both for me ! Juno for Piano/organ sounds....they have more "presence"..;the Korg for the Synthetic sounds, strings, aso... great gears !
Seems that the velocity settings was higher on the Korg. Listen and watch it carefully ;-) Anyway, the Roland sounds more digital and compressed. I would prefer the Korg sound in music production because its more natural and have an "open" feeling, the programing of effects sounds also much better to me
If you play simple choose roland
If you play complicated sound ( for example for covering dream theater band ) choose korg
I think Korg's pianos and e-pianos aren't strong as the same sounds in Roland, but more realistic. Organs are better on Korg, but leslie simulation on Roland is more clear and realistic. Synths are better on Roland. I have a problem :D
fdgref gretg buy the Yamaha mx, lol
I think Korg´s strings are better too.
Korg has more insert effects than Roland... but you cannot assign a Reverb and a Delay at the same program/combi , The Sound Cutting at a program/combi change bothers some ppl...DS has the same problem, but only in performance mode, Two great Machines, I'd love to get a Kross2, but I have not decided yet.
Wszystko zależy od zespołu i jego tendencji do brzmienia w pewnych pasmach. U mnie w kapeli lepiej się klei Korg, bo mój basista brzmi bardzo tłusto i Motif i Roland giną w miksie. Jak kręcę eq, żeby się wbić w pasmo, to podcinając dół tracę pewne ładne artefakty, które nadają brzmieniu charakteru, gdy brzmi solo. W tym porównaniu Rolanda sample podobają mi się bardziej, są mniej przenikliwe i słodsze, ale wiem, że w moim zespole lepiej zagadałby Kross.
Hola amigos. Les pregunto. cada video de cada teclado que suben al youtube. Los sonidos del teclado son los de fabrica o editado por ustedes???
De fábrica.
please what tones were you using
In argentina the kross 2 costs around 750 uSs. Roland around 1200 uSs
if he rolland dont have a sampler and step seq its a no brainer although the rolland does have a warmer sound to me.
Which has the better key action? Please reply tnx.
El Don Tabuzo The key action on the Roland is firm. It has a great keybed. Sturdy piano.
I own Juno ds61. The piano sound is amazing
are all sounds amazing? some people say Juno or XPS30 have bad quality sounds... is it true? or does it need a good amplifier like roland or BEHRINGER to have the best sound? THNAKS
Korg for Me!
6:38 wow, isn't that song a variation of Mushanga by Toto, used in a Jeff Porcaro educational video 😄
Thank you for pointing that out! What a groove! ua-cam.com/video/QRHf22WCPew/v-deo.html
When I take output the sound quality of kross 2 sucks whether I take one or two outputs the quality is very bad. But it works perfectly with headphone. Does anyone know about this
Yo tuve un Kross 2 y honestamente los órganos y los strings se me hicieron mucho mejores que los del Juno DS, aunque no me arrepiento de haber obtenido el Juno, pues es buenísimo en sus sonidos en cuanto a piano acústico y piano eléctrico hablamos
tengo ambos también, cada uno tiene sus fuertes y debilidades, me encantan los dos
Hi buddies! Anyone knows if Roland Juno DS has aftertouch keys? Thank you very much!
The Roland Juno-DS does not have an aftertouch keyboard.
Neither do
How can I make hold without hand on a Roland mod wheel system?
Add parameter you need to 4 assignable knobs or buy an expression pedal for your juno
Hi, is the key bed of good quality? Thanks
The roland will have the better keybed. Korg kross 2 keybed is noisy.
Assuming that you have a general idea with regards to the: KORG Kross2 and the Roland DS-61, which is better;
in terms of SYNTHS, as presented in the video, its modification diversity such as; (waveforms, oscillators, attack, release, cutoff, editing every preset patch, creating and saving new patches, etc.)?
I would like to create a satisfactory purchase achieving a synth lead, ambient, and acoustic sounds whilst U.I. navigation is rather satisfactory.
UIs are very similar with parameters organized into pages. Roland factory presets cannot be overwritten but Korg ones can. The Juno has more waveforms but its synth waveforms (JP sawtooth, MG Sine, etc.) don't quite sound as good as the Korg's sometimes. Korg oscillators are a bit more limited, but it has more modulation capabilities. The Korg gets multiple filter options, best sounding one being the parallel filter, while the Roland requires a little improvisation to achieve the same. Both have ADSR envelopes to tweak. The Juno has a "frequency cross-mod" option to make its sounds more industrial or outright distorted, as well as oscillator drift if you want a sound to imitate vintage gear a little more.
Which is better? Depends on what you want to do with it. The Korg has the far better sequencer and a nifty sampler, the Roland has the better acoustic sounds and keybed, and its synth sound palette is different from the Korg's; however, it can still manage making synthpads and bell sounds that wouldn't come out as nice on the Korg while the Korg can make better leads and basses. They are both even in terms of plucks and stabs, it seems to me so far. I picked up the Juno recently, and just sold my old Kross1 to upgrade to the Kross2. Having both the Juno and Kross2 is even better than just one or the other. ;)
But if you have to pick just one, it depends too much on you for me to just tell you, "get this one."
@@Jason75913 Thank You, I dearly appreciate it.
@@Jason75913 great response thank you for your input. I have a Juno DS and am considering either a Yamaha MX or Kross 2.
@@st.thomas5802 Anything the MX can do, the Juno can do better, Cubase integration aside. The best thing about the MX is just MX49's price, I think.
Witam.
Czy w Roland JUNO DS można załadować własne sample perkusyjne przypisując je np. do dzwięków C1, D2 itd.
i tworzyć swoje DrumKits ???
Dziękuję za odpowiedź oraz świetne prezentacje instrumentów...
Pozdrawiam.
Music Way ua-cam.com/video/RUyMNnU7TJg/v-deo.html proszę :)
At 5:21 what sound is that can someone tell me ASAP
Very nice comparison indeed! And nicely played. To me, the Roland sounds better!
Trudne zadanie w sensie oceny. W mojej opinii k jest bardziej miękki a co za tym idzie elastyczny. R natomiast ma lekką agresję. Ma jednak przewagę w sensie modulacji nie tylko w sesji ale nawet na żywo. Myślę że ostatecznym rozstrzygnięciem będzie konfrontacja obok na żywo. Innej możliwości nie widzę.
I own the Korg Kross 2 White Edition.
I think these keyboards sound great,
but I am not a fan of the All-Plastic Frame.
I own both - sort of. My DS is the DS88 - weighted and heavy. My Kross is a 61. The Kross sounds better on most patches - particularly piano, organ and e-pianos. I think the strings, brass and synths are equal. I am looking to dump the DS and get something different. The Kross is more versatile. If they were the other way around (88 key Kross and DS61, I would keep the DS).
But I heard the DS88 has the best keybed for its price range?
Korg is great but Roland sounds more authentic as far as for key tones
The keyboard manufacturers don't publish key sizes. The Korg appears to have larger keys.
Yes. It has.
Yes. It has wider and longer keys.
OK, a question for gigging musicians: which one of these, or perhaps a closely matched and priced competitor, would prove to be most useful on stage? I think I would be happy with the sound of either one; what about play-ability, changing bank/registers, on the fly adjustments, splits and layers and switching thereof, etc. Thanks for any useful info anyone can provide!
Oh, and can I run my bass guitar through any of them? On several songs I swap back and forth, using the Right split and output for keys bass. Tone and volume I can match really well with my Casio, each going to the amp separately, but it would be nice to take both through the same effects chain.
The Juno-DS is better suited for on-the-fly work and adjustments, plus has the best keybed. Both can take your bass and process it a bit, but the Korg is far better suited to processing external sounds. It has a built-in digital recorder, too, among a hell of a lot of features. Its sample pads are much better than the Roland's, too.
I'm looking for a really good hammond b3 sound like Gregg rolie from Santana and fender Rhodes and grand piano sounds for jazz
I like strings in Roland
which one is the bottom one
To my ear the Korg has more definition and presence.
AnAmericanGuitarist Yes I’m With Roland first and for most... . But Korg Has Just way way more features Under the hood plus A library thanks to the (classic triton series)and the largest sound banks on earth 🌏
I need to hv both!!!
With the combined price of both, just buy a Yamaha MODX6 and you'll be set for life.
Cual tiene mejor teclas?
You did not play any piano sounds. I have had Roland's keys and Korg and without any doubt Korg doesn't have the best piano sounds. I've had many Korgs all the way too blue Triton extreme work station. Roland has always beat the piano sounds if you don't believe me go to music store and try them urself the Roland Juno DS 61 keys to start is a good buy. It has great sounds. The first piano sound on list is grand piano and you can hear how beautiful it sounds add strings and you sound like you shud be playing in a heavenly choir that's how good Roland keyboard sound. Korg still my 2nd choice to have on the aside.
I don't have much experience with Kross, but from Kronos on Korg's piano took a great turn for better, and I think it was exported to both Krome and Kross 2. Thus we should expect Kross 2's pianos to be a lot better than Triton's.
Mind you however that I'm talking about Piano quality between Korg gear, I'm not comparing with Roland's because I don't have any experience with their equipment.
hmmmmm. i hate that fake sound of piano in every roland... :D you can tweak piano sounds on how you like it...
@@BRbassedu she has to see kronos :D
Is Korg Kross 2 equivalent to Roland Juno or Roland FA-06/07/08?
Bato Daesitiates juno
Kross2 has more in common with the FA-06 as a "true" workstation, but price-wise is the Juno-DS' competition.
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BOA TARDE EU TENHO UM XPS 30, GOSTO DE TOCAR COM ACOMPANHAMENTO AUTOMATICO, TAVA PENSANDO, TROCAR PELO KROSS 2 ELE TEM ACOMPANHAMENTO AUTOMÁTICO DE RITMOS. EU NÃO TENHO FACILIDADE PARA PROGRAMAR TECLADO, TOCO MAIS EM CASA.
Extremely useful thank you. Now I know it is the Roland the one I want ❤. Didn’t like the Koray sounds at all. Thanks very much
Disculpa sabes si los mismos sonidos del Juno los trae el xps30? Gracias
Grande parte sim.
Mas/Pero o Juno DS tem teclas melhores, mais e melhor edições de timbres e alguns timbres a mais que o XPS-30.
Hi, is that all the sounds in its totality ? Thank you.
No
The Korg has more then a thousand sounds
Not even close to half of all the sounds each has.
I think if i could i would use both
hi my country has a difference of 100 dollars between kross 2 and Juno, is Juno still a better choice ?.. i heard learning curve is easier in roland than KOrg
I looked at these two boards when I was looking for a new board. I got the Juno ds 88 later on. I liked the fact that I could layer 16 sounds plus all the other features. I like korg kross 2 but didn’t like the controls for changing sounds.
Depends on what features interest you.
I prefer piano sound from Roland, but for live i think kross strings, pads and leads are better