Don't Lose Your Data Like a Dummy
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2023
- In this episode, we discuss the 3-2-1 backup method and why your data is probably at risk.
Thanks for Acronis for sponsoring this video! Head to go.acronis.com/SNAZZYLABS and use code SNAZZYLABS2023 to get 40% off Acronis Cyber Protect Home Office.
Let's face it: backing up data is boring. But nothing is more devastating than losing family photos, important work reports, school essays, and more. The good thing is that data loss is 100% avoidable and it's always human error. While computers can fail, drives can be corrupted, homes can burn down, and more, properly backing up using the 3-2-1 method ensures your data will live far longer than you. From Blu-ray, to LTO, to cloud storage, and more... there are a lot of very affordable (and very expensive) ways to backup and archive your data shown in this episode and by the end of it, you'll have a good idea of what you need to do to save your own stuff!
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If you care about your data, don't burn at maximum speed. Drives lean into the error-correcting codes to offset the lower recording accuracy at higher speeds. If you want to still have your data in 20 years, write at 2x. Also, store them in a cool, dry, dark place. Sunlight is really bad for optical media. Constant temperature changes can also cause de-lamination, so you really don't want to leave your stack of backups near a heat source. Computer tower, heater, black storage case that may get left by a window...
First I thought you was taking about hard-drives an I was like 🤔
You care... I care...but the majority doesn't care..they're impatient and burn at the highest speed, they try to save money by buying crappy optical media, and can't be bothered to store them properly. It's like talking to a wall with those people.
The 100Gb formats to about 90Gb. That is too small for my needs. My normal backups are generally around 1.25Tb.
@@frankwalder3608then use multiple discs idk
@@bigtitmaster LOL. I'm certainly not going to have three backup sets of 15 x 90 GB disks sitting around. I would rotate three single 4TB or 5TB 2.5" HDD. The hardware is cheap. It is the software that is expensive.
Back in 1999. My apt got broken in to. They grabbed my brand new 21” CRT, my gaming rig, my secondary gaming rig, my DVD player, my 32” TV. But here’s the thing. They took the time to EJECT my JAZ cartridge in my second PC and leave it on the table. The JAZ cartridge was labeled “My Files”
Because of that, I still have some of my oldest most cherished data to this day.
Polite, considerate home-invading thieves! Wild.
At 12:25, it appears that Acronis gave Quinn 5 TB of included storage for his backups…but the $50 a year version includes no online storage. It also only backs up one computer. If you want 5 TB, Acronis is $285 a year. So…WTH?
This Video is sponsored by Acronis, so they propably gave him the 5TB Subscription. Look in the Video Description, there is a Affialiate Link for Acronis.
S3 compatible storage is less expensive at that price point. (Backblaze B2, Wasabi, and Storj)
@Talzet lumis me and you both
@@elevatorz89 This is highly misleading. S3 is not cheaper if you're needing to share files OR access your files. If you never need more than 100gb a month for ALL of your AWS stuff, let's say you need to recover 1TB of data, you're out 90 dollars. If you need to recover that full 5TB, it's like 500 dollars. Already over the yearly cost of Acronis for 5TB.
I'm not saying Acronis' product is good (I haven't used it.) If you need just storage but don't need to share it, there are cheaper alternatives like Wasabi that is S3 compatible (and allows you to transfer out unlimited but they'll TOS if you try to use it primarily to share, their rule of thumb is the equivalent amount of storage to transfer per month) that's $5/tb OR you could use something like Hetzner's Storage boxes (be warned that speeds can be sort of slow from US -> EU, but it is very cheap and reliable).
But don't advocate for S3 for stuff like consumer storage of backups. It's terrible for that unless you're using it deep glacier as like, a third back up of all of your very very important stuff and hopefully never, ever have to recover it.
(S3 is great! I've used it a ton for work in production environments; or for small files, or for stuff I need to access within AWS. but cheap it is not. There is MUCH better options for cheap, object storage if you're a small business that's not super vested into AWS or if you're needing it for non-business use cases, like Wasabi, DigitalOcean, Linode, etc. And they're all S3 compliant. Not trying to be like "you're wrong lol" but I don't want anyone to get absolutely wrecked by Amazon's insane egress data bandwidth costs)
Colleague: hey I have this HDD with my whole life's digital pictures on it. It's my backup but it broke down. Can you repair it?
Me: sure man! Glad you have a backup so you haven't lost anything if this doesn't work.
Colleague: But this is all I have!....
Me: but you said it was a backup!
Colleague: Yeah I put all on that drive and stored it in a safe place! My backup!
Me: Oh dear...
It's always difficult to give a broad information video when you've got a sponsor urging you to hit their talking points and make their product seem good but I feel you threaded the needle well. Didn't feel any different than any other snazzy labs video. Much better than that gimbal webcam video from last year.
Thanks. We tried hard to make it work and I know it won’t interest everyone but I’m hoping it doesn’t seem so ad-y.
@@snazzy I think it's 50/50 i'm more concerned about the fact you didn't explain the bluray being more expensive part to people and that's extremely important before they end up investing on that then realising they made a huge mistake due to the cost per TB being so high.
have noticed a lot of snazzy lab videos feel like an imformercial. i mean, good on them making money. thats the point, but lets be fair too....
@@dashtesla Blurry seems like all the hassle of floppy disks, modernized. I don't think I'll ever go back to removable media. I did my time backing up my HDD to a few hundred floppies, then 100MB Zip disks, then CD-Rs, and finally external hard drives. HDDs win.
yea, literally half the video is just an advertisement for the sponsor's software. i feel like snazzy labs should've made the sponsored segment far shorter and on a less related video. this massive sponsored segment makes the video overly biased towards one single product when the rest of the video is kinda shrugging off entire mediums of storage in order to make the sponsor's product look like an amazing option.
Now this is what I call a 20 minute ad
I mean, the guy even brings up backup in cd disk like if it’s nothing xD
No, I bring it up as a good backup solution-which it is.
BD-R is NOT a format you want to use for archiving
I've learned this when working at an advertising agency where I was doing daily backups which I stored in a huge heavy fireproof safe.
Guess what?
3 years later: read errors all over the place.
I’m curious about this. Were you able to read the backups right after burning them to Blu-Ray disk? Was there a change in the backup software that would’ve made the old backups unreadable (I.e. not backwards compatible)?
@@CapCrunch45 Yes, the data copied fine right after the backups were made. I always did random tests. After about a year or two a co worker came to me and told me a disc he got from our regular archive couldn't be read anymore (it had been used many times without any problems). So I thought it got a scratch or whatever. I went to the safe where I keep the backup discs and was going to make a copy for him. To my surprise that one had read errors as well. I then started testing all the discs (a few hundred) and several were showing read errors. We used different brands over time and there was no logic in which dics were affected. Always stored in the dark. I don't trust optical media for archiving since then. The discs were written with iso standard so no compression or software dependency. They could be read on all platforms.
Another thing is that if you lose a primary copy you want to create extra backups, not just switch to the backup as your primary. I lost 3-4 years of my personal programming projects waaay back in around 2007 or so. There were backups but they managed to all get destroyed due to a comedy of errors. Primary copy on the flash drive was lost when the drive got corrupted and truncated every file to 4K. I was able to get all the other parts via chkdsk files but realistically I wasn't going to be reassembling those files. Second copy of the data was lost while trying to fix the Flash Drive because I somehow managed to delete the wrong partition. And the final copy on another hard drive got lost when I accidentally injected CD Burner firmware into it instead of the CD Burner.
*_"Primary copy on the flash drive"_*
Sorry, but then you're asking for trouble when you store your primary copy on something as unreliable as a flash drive.... ~sigh~
I use only MDISC media because (allegedly) its longevity far exceeds media that uses either organic or inorganic dye. If you don't use MDISC discs, you should check out whether the media you are using has organic or inorganic dye and choose the one that won't fade in just a couple of years, making your backups useless and unreadable.... I use a simple USB 3.0 portable BluRay writer just like the one Quinn shows in the video, it's pretty quick and I keep the burned discs in one of those CD binders like you would have used with your home theatre DVD movies.
If you think a NAS could be useful for you, it can actually handle a couple of those points. I use a Synology NAS (The 4-bay version of what you showed) both to story my files in a sort of personal cloud that I can access anywhere as well as to backup my entire computers to (Time Machine Mac backup and the Synology Active Backup app on Windows PC). Backup number 1 done! And being a NAS with multiple drives, it also has that disk redundancy.
I then have the NAS configured so that whenever I plug a specific USB hard drive into it, it automatically copies my most important data to it as a differential backup, so I always have another copy of the most vital data that I can share in a lock box until it’s needed.
One big Problem with LTO Tapes is that the read/write heads can become dislodged meaning only the device that wrote the tape can read it and only if it is already dislodged too. Getting a second tape drove for checking is prohibitively expensive and just makes it even more unpractical for home use that it already is
Mannnn, I was so pumped because I've been looking into long term backups, but I'm not looking for an ad. I'd rather just have the different pros and cons laid out and left it at that.
He literally did give you all the pros and cons. You realize people have to make money in order to make content right? You think people should have to work for free to give you information? That's insanely childish, naive, and selfish.
LTO Tape is really cheap for what you get in terms of capacity. But, wow, those tape drives are expensive…😱
Yes Grandfather, Father, Child three copies. Live in the Apple garden so use Time Machine to local HDD. Sync document files to another iMac SSD across the lan. Also backup document files to USB C which I keep in my car. Going to move to small ThunderBolt external solution at some point like the SABRENT Thunderbolt 3 Certified M.2 NVMe SSD Tool Free Solid Aluminum Enclosure (EC-T3NS) for multiple uses including backups.
As a sysop for a small regional ISP (Internet Service Provider) when the public Internet first opened up part of our plan was backup, backup, backup. It was few and far between times that we ever had to restore something. Thing is when we went to restore it because of our plan we always have it.
As some point I hope technology moves forward to the point that I could purchase a SSD NAS solution that could be enclosed in a fire proof enclosure. Love to be able to put that in the garage on the floor near the garage door.
Time Machine also does version backups, and can be encrypted.
Whoa, just come from Luke Miani's house and he's doing an Acronis sponsored video as well. The Acronis marketing dept must have just woken up! 😂 All joking aside, backup is a super important thing that's way too often overlooked so thanks for this video 👍🏼 I run daily, weekly and monthly backups to separate local NAS devices, I clone the boot drive every night plus to an external SSD and I do change based backups to the cloud (CrashPlan). You can call me paranoid! 😄
Dude, I just watched it too. I had the same thoughts… What is going on?
@@MrCooper83 Dyson situation
One addendum to using SSDs, especially if the use-case is for archival storage: because flash memory is dependent on a stored electrical charge to retain information, they do need to be periodically powered on to retain data. This isn't as common an issue now as it was on earlier lower quality flash memory, but It's still enough of a concern that I would recommend anyone using an SSD as an archive drive to access the drive annually as a precaution.
According to testing performed by IBM, Samsung, Micron, etc, most higher end MLC drives theoretically may be able to hold their charge for around 10 years but TLC and QLC drives cut that theoretical time drastically. This in no way means that flash is too unstable, there are many times that I've found an old flash drive that I've not touched in years only to find the files still perfectly intact, but the chance is still there and should be considered if long-term archival use with flash media is being considered.
Mechanical HDD also run the risk of losing some of their magnetism over time which can lead to data corruption or loss but this may be upwards of 20 years for modern drives manufactured by reputable brands, especially if those drives are designed with archival in mind and designed for long term archival storage. Also, unlike flash where once the charge on a flash cell degrades that bit is gone forever, for HDDs its generally a gradual weakening of the magnetic field which means if the data is really crucial following magnetic degradation, it may be possible for some data recovery firms to recover that data by transplanting the platter to a machine that can read weaker magnetic fields.
Does this also apply to USBs, namely that they should be powered up once a year or so for data retention? As for QLT flash drives, whats then theoretical longest for it to last, if its below 10 years so unlike MLT? Also, would it be possible to increase the data retention (and so amount of time the data can last) of either SSDs or USBs by only writing your data to them once, and then storing them properly? I've also heard ppl recommend to recopy your USB data once a year or so to increase the longevity, but that seems to violate only writing data to it once as one would be erasing it all and writing nee copies of the same data back in.
Good advice. We back up our workstations windows and mac to our synology NAS and then it backups up to a local 12 tb usb hard drive and to backblaze cloud. Protected in all avenues.
Oh man, I love your videos but having a video with the subject being directly related to the sponsor is.... eh.
Yeah... yikes
Fuck advertisements like this.
Like the vacuum videos?
Agreed on both
I bet this guy also hates Linus tech tips Intel Xtreme upgrade videos.
You make a very fair point about no one wants to steal your stack of disks but basically anything else would be stolen
Subscription service for the software to back everything up 🤮🤮🤮
For Acronis, if you encrypt your backup to be stored on an external media, are you required to be in a valid subscription when you need to decrypt the backup files after, say, 10 years?
Use your brain:
No. If you still have the old installed software, or can install/activate it again, or have the boot disk/image and can still boot it, etc.
Yes. If you only have the backup files.
(Trial version may help but will have restrictions or limit max amount of restore).
PTSD from PhD results being sent already corrupted to three copies, one offsite
Verify every copy people!
Acronis, just give me your old imagine software. No cloud, no security scanning BS. Just a good disk imaging tool. And let me buy a PERPETUAL license! Zero interest in a subscription or software as a service business model
If you just need a disk cloning tool, you can't go wrong with Clonezilla. Free, fully open source, can save disk images to either local hard drives, a network share or a Clonezilla server, uses a somewhat standard format to save your disk images that are supported by other competing softwares such as Rescuezilla and is an overall amazing tool! It doesn't have a GUI per se - which does deter some people - but something more like a really easy to use text-based system of menus that takes your hand through out the whole process.
@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 Is it possible to image a disk with clonezilla and output to a single image file? Like a single .img or preferably an .img.gz? The normal output it gives me is a folder with different images for each partition and a bunch of other files.
@@Tony-xf8dx I haven't really looked into it so I can't tell for sure. Those files are a bunch of metadata about the disk image that Clonezilla needs to do its thing so I assume that they're needed. But that never bothered ME anyway; there is no difference in storing a file or a directory. When I need to restore a disk, I just point Clonezilla towards that directory and that's that. If that's important for you then maybe you can create a tarball of the resulting disk image for archival purposes...?
@@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 Is there a way to burn a clonezilla image to a disk without needing to boot into clonezilla? That's my main reason for wanting a single image file, because they can be written to a disk more easily
@@Tony-xf8dx Not sure I understood what exactly your are looking for or your requirements. The way Clonezilla works is: you boot your system off a flash drive with Clonezilla, it starts the wizard that walks you through the process to either save a disk image somewhere (attached external drive, network share, what have you) or to clone a disk onto another (e.g. if you're replacing a mechanical HDD with a SSD). If you need to restore the image, you boot off that same flash drive, start Clonezilla, point it towards the image you want to restore and then sit back and let it do its thing. Isn't Acronis required to restore a disk image created with it into the system disk as well? As for copying the resulting image somewhere else, I dunno... I really don't get what's so different between storing a single file versus storing a single directory. But if that is a dealbreaker then maybe Clonezilla might not be what you are looking for...
One thing I really like about backing up to a BD-REs is the fact that you don't need to spend lots of money upfront, or lots of money if you run out of space. That's why I used to back up my data to DVDs back when I was a broke teenager.
“Nobody, nobody - wants to steal a disc!” IYKYK! 😂
7:59 Those brilliant engineers at LG figured out how to make the cupholder useful for backing up data!
Seriously, though, "Ain't nobody want your blu-ray" is why I don't like the single-write optical backup idea. Even the recycling centers don't want them because they don't have a plastic resin ID code. They're just plastic waste. It would be nice if you could simply drop them into a blue bin after scraping away some substrate and breaking the disc in half (a secure enough destruction for the average person, since it makes the disc unreadable to anyone without access to forensic level data recovery hardware).
A microwave will destroy an optical disk quickly (if you don't mind the toxic smell).
@@gblargg Or just snap it into 4 pieces, no toxic fumes, and easy enough my 4th grader can do it, and throw the pieces away in different locations (like half at home and half at work or even Starbucks)
@@compudude Also using encryption makes it benign even if someone gets it intact.
What do you use for Differential back ups? I want only something that looks and backs up only the changes to the your original backups. Takes less time as well.
Guess who deleted 7+ years (almost 300 GB) of data dating back to when they were eleven? (This was back in 2020)
Ahh, flashbacks of the old days burning CDs at 1x and if you looked at them funny or touched the mouse or keyboard it would fail
100GB BD may be cheap in your area but here in europe it's at LEAST 20/each on amazon and i've never seen them that much cheaper anywhere in the world so would love to see those $1 100GB discs :) you're way way better off looking for a used tape drive on ebay LTO 6 can do 6 and 5 tapes at 20-40 each, drive it's about 300-500 so that's 35 EUR (in my area) for 2.2TB vs 22x 20 EUR for BD-R that just 2.2TB will already put you at 440 EUR it makes 0 sense as far as i'm concerned unless you're only backing up very very little data 100GB or so and you already have a BD drive. but at 22TB of data you'd be looking at 4400 EUR just for optical media plus all the space it takes and how not practical it is to split data in smaller chunks and makes recovery a lot harder and slower anything newer than LTO 5 also supports LTFS which basically can mount any tape with a drive letter and you can copy/paste stuff without any software just needs the LTFS binaries installed, you can use third party software to organise and manage if you prefer that but it's not required, LTO 6 also stops making sense at over 100TB where you'd be better off with LTO 9 (unless you already have an LTO 8 drive or can get one for very cheap). So BLURAY = absolutely NOT super cheap don't tell that to people do math instead per GB and your own research before making any decisions. Also one more thing BD-R is also WORM (Write Once Read Many) if you go for BD-RE you'd also have to account for that extra while tape you can get special WORM cartridges but it's obviously rewritable as standard.
I back everything up to floppy discs. Nothing can ever go wrong with that.
3.5 inches of GODeness!
I came to this video hoping to hear about an affordable consumer LTO solution, and am leaving a Bluray disk appreciator. I'm sold and I'm buying some now 😂
For anyone with an old-school tower or more recent offering including quarter-height front expansion bays _and_ the dosh to spend on it, ICY Dock and similar brands offer 6-slot adapters for 2.5" media. So you'd install that, attach data cables to motherboard _or_ insert a 6-port SATA PCI card and hitch 'em together for building a NAS-like device in your desktop PC.
Some virtualization setup later and you can keep your first backup _directly attached_ to your PC with a separate Linux distro to manage the backup for quick and easy migration to another PC in-future. Pair that with a UPS tn ensure the power isn't interrupted unexpectedly (as when it is, you can just power off gracefully) and at least your first backup like that should be bullet-proof Of course, _three copies; two backups; one off-site_ right? But off-site isn't in the scope of this writ.
What a coincidence, my HDD just gave up on me few days ago. I feel dummy
It is mentioned that cloud storage companies tend to severely throttle you when uploading gigs of stuff. I wonder of Acronis throttles you when doing a full backup? What is max throughput they will allow?
What I would say about backups is that the best backup is one that actually exists, and while everyone is going to lecture about doing routine backups, it isn't going to happen. It needs to be automatic, which means a Timemachine backup to the NAS, and then the NAS backs up the TimeMachine dataset to your offsite provider.
Or, if you have a home and office, or two homes, then have NASes in both places, and have them back up to each other.
I already have 2 pieces of "Margareths;" doing storage, containerization, and virtualization under Joyent SmartOS. I'm so buying an LTO; is the LTO software up to date for Mac?
I always keep a bootable copy of everything on three medias. I use a cloud storage for my data. I learned a hard lesson in 1978 when my team lost six months of development on our mainframe. I’ve not had any loss of data nor more than a little downtime due to hardware failure.
*_"I always keep a bootable copy of everything on three medias"_*
Why do these copies need to be bootable, you make no sense.
It takes thirty seconds to get back up and running.
@@Jake-mn1qc
@@Jake-mn1qc ....so you can boot a system off it..?
Alternatively, consider if you really need big backups. Do you really need to hold all that data? I did some cleansing and deleted most of the files.
I remember in a job back in 1999, it was my first job maintaining a web app written vb6 and vbscript, they backed up the data in tape but it wasn't square like that, it was rectangular like half the size of a beta with a ratio closer to a VHS, I think it w was a 2TB tape.
comparing the cost of tape vs M-Disc, cost per GB or TB, tape is a lot cheaper the problem is the tape recorder it will take a lot of tape to compensate the cost of the recorder vs the M-Disc. This is something that is really exclusive for a business and not for a hobbyist.
I wonder how the Acronis iOS app can backup without having to be opened. I have Synology Moments/Photos, and you have to open them for their photo uploads to work.
Tape drives can be bought pretty cheap these days, as long as you don't go for the newest version. Usually LTO-5 or even LTO-4 is is usually more than enough and you can get the drives for a couple hundred bucks and the tapes, as long as they are still available are sold for roughly €20,- for on LTO-4 tape that hold 1.6 TB compressed.
How many copies does iCloud have off my photo library on some servers? Assuming I dont manually delete a photo < what’s wrong with having iCloue only + turn on download originals on one of my devices and thats it? I dont get it - chances of both being loss at the same time are zero, even a baby deleting photos cannot enter recently deleted photos section with face id now.
Is Bluray really dependable? I'm asking because I used to backup to CDs and over years have read error for several disks. Not sure how much more reliable Bluray is compared to CDs
This is actually perfect for me - I've wanted a backups service with bit-for-bit drive cloning, but OneDrive isn't designed for that, and services like BackBlaze don't allow you to backup system files. Obviously this whole video is an advert but I found it super useful.
Impressive. Your file in 2:02 is from 3 years into the future!
I remember when CD-RW was DA BOMB - _and_ prohibitively expensive.
Come to think of it, I've probably heard the old modem sounds more often than I have actually burned a CD-RW...
I do my local backups on portable SSD's and it's great. They're tiny, super fast and easy to hide somewhere in your home. I use Apple Time Machine which keeps full system backups, so in case my laptop dies or gets stolen, I can simply replace and restore it. Time Machine also gives reminders if you haven't backed up in a while which is great.
Portable SSDs are okay if you are not using a lot of data. Some days I record up to 200GB even more sometimes so those SSDs just don't work in the long run. No point to spend thousands on a bunch of SSDs when I can create a 50TB drive for way cheaper that can be accessed anywhere in the world.
I use SuperDuper to make a local disk image copy and iCloud for remote storage and a NAS, so, already have overkill. SuperDuper is not that expensive to buy a lifetime license. It runs fast and I can boot from the local drive if my SSD was corrupted. Not sure what Acronis would provide me differently. I guess the cyber portion, but I already have security software and would be concerned they would step on each other. So if you have a new system and don't have any of the components then I guess the Acronis solution is pretty cool. Am I missing something?
@Snazzy Labs Nice video! As stated numerous times, backups are important. But even more important is periodically testing those backups and restores, especially from tapes.
I have had pen drives that last longer than SSD and Spinning rust hard drives.
The pen drives in question are only plugged in and used at the time of making incremental backups. similar to external hard drives.
The problem for me with using Discs is that I would be creating a lot of trash as the data is always changing. So, file 1, is now trash in a day or so. It would be replaced with file 2, and so forth. I think you get the idea. What is your suggestion with files that always change.
Flash storage would make much more sense to me than discs. There are also many free software solutions that allow auto backing up selected folders the moment you connect that drive
Blu-ray is certainly better for periodic archival backup rather than frequent. 😊
Most of the relevant data should be quite small, so you can easily append to the same 50GB disk many many times. I mean, my whole documents folder ist barely 100 MiB. And the data that's big (e.g. photos, music, or videos) is very unlikely to change at all.
If you're still running into an edge case, you could also think about making incremental backups, i.e. only storing the changes between versions. However, this comes at the cost of a massive risk increase, as ALL involved disks would need to work for a proper restore. But that's the same as for a hard drive etc.
Setup Veeam to backup to a NAS or an external drive, then once every 3 months or whatever you deem reasonable, write that Veeam backup to the Blu Ray. Slap a date on it with your favourite ink pen and you're good to go.
I would recommend cloud backup. If you have a personal Office 365 subscription - then you have 1TB of OneDrive to go with it. If you don't use Office 365 then 2TB of iCloud is very good value at a couple of $ less per month than a personal M$ O365 subscription. It's not that hard.
Backblaze is also great with external raid 1 drive
And unlimited storage
I refuse to use any sort of redundant raid config on my media server. The drives all are the same age, so if one wears out and dies, I wouldn't want to stress the other ones out trying to rebuild. Got enough HDD's lying around to keep a full copy of everything.
learned my lesson in 2001 to back up everything to disc, CD, DVD, Blu-ray, and ext USB drives. Not the cloud.
I've been putting off actually getting a good backup system in place, but I'm finally going to actually do it, thanks!
Hi Quinn, how is Acronis different from other backups like iCloud. I'm considering getting it since the data on my Mac is almost 400 GB. I just need to be able to trust it in terms of privacy. Please what are your thoughts. Thanks.
Acronis is a scheduled backup program. That means it's engineered to backup your data automatically. It also keeps multiple backups, just in case you need files from a couple of backups ago. Also, Arconis is really expensive compared to the competition, so do some research on alternatives.
Snazzy, you don't need Acronis, you Synology nas that you own offers all of what you were doing and most likely for less.
For the blueray disk option, sometimes just a collection of a few video files in a project will exceed 100 GB, and most of my folders are well above 100 GB, so how would I back up an entire hard drive without piecemealing it so much it would be impossible to reconstruct? Does it really have to be bit by bit? Or is there a program out there that could take a folder in a stack of CDs in intelligently divide the data?
I guess you could put those files in 7zip image and then break that into multiple parts. That's how pirates do it.
@@TheDeer99 Extraction then either requires you to have 2x the original storage space to get your files back, or all discs simultaneously running on one device for extraction. This doesn't scale well.
I was thinking Quinn was going to say that Acronis can split a HDD/SDD into Blu-ray chunks, burn them to BD and then create an index of what is stored where. Was disappointed that Acronis does not do this not appear to be as good value as Backblaze.
@@hks-lion exactly, unlimited storage is basically a must for the kind of data I’m dealing with
@@muizzsiddique I see, yeah doesn’t seem viable
Since 2000 I have been really good about backups cause of work! Had to use them one time after the datacenter lost power for a hospital at 3 am in the morning...
I was literally looking for backup options yesterday. I got a busted 1TB HDD with all my college photos / family photos. A new SSD and a lot of stuff on google drive. They're all filling FAST.
I am almost done organising them and i got a folder that i want to never lose, and i think Bluray can be a GREAT option for it. Idk why i never thought about it. I am just wondering, how long can i keep them? I will prob never use the discs, i need them in case i lose the cloud storage ( which is very unlikely ) OR in case i don't have access to internet. I will also have a local backup on a HDD but i wanna know the life of blu ray discs.
Also is it the same for movies? I wanna go into bluray movies because watching banding on Netflix absolutely triggers me.
I have no idea how long CDs last. I have a bunch of old CD-Rs and games from the early 2000s and they seem to work fine. Regardless what medium you use, you still need to make multiple backups. In my setup, I have two extra hard drives that I use to keep a mirror copy of my main drive in my NAS.
For movies, you need to setup a Plex server. Since you are looking for a backup solution as well. Find some old PC hardware you might have lying around or look around used markets like ebay or Facebook Marketplace. You can use that to run a Plex server and a file server.
okay for a casual PC user, would you prefer a redundant clone drive in the PC or external HDD?
Drive in the PC is more vulnerable: lightning, power spike, PC power supply fries everything, virus, user error, theft. Main drawback of external HDD is convenience.
9:30 but even thow they may last that long do you think we could read that format in the future?
i still have a 3" floppy reader and a zip drive but no longer a laserdisk and 5" floppy reader. they took up too much space and i needed a win 85 pc that just died, so ya. up building your backups should also be in the plan so when you need to upgrade your backups you all ready have the plan.
also the calculation is best to work $$ per TB now.
For things like a thesis or written project, Git is amazing. Has many advantages besides backups on all devices.
oh shit, this is genius!
What is Git?
Literally doing this to sync files and have a backup for my files 😂
@@flashxcate Github....generally used for collaborative software design coding, but can be used for other things.
i laughed when you said no one will steal discs lol. but serious question: are the blu ray discs rewritable? example: there’s a new update to my thesis paper, can i just insert the same blu ray or is it one “update” per disc?
as far as i know is only writable once
i mean if there's space left you can use it again but normally youd use a new disc for versioning.
My NAS is rather simple (or complex depending how you look at it) since I'm on a tight budget. Thin client PC running Windows 11 (yes I'm aware alternatives exist) as a file server with a hard drive dock plugged into it. Originally, I had this attached to my router (w/ OpenWRT) but it was limited on what i can do with it. For example, I can't do a mirror copy of the hard drive to another hard drive automatically. I need to do this manually on one of my PCs. With the client pc running windows, i'm able to automate this process and it's been running great.
I also use cloud backups, but only to backup very important files. However, these are stored inside an encrypted container using Veracrypt. This is still a manual process for me but it's no big deal since these files don't get changed as often. Everything else, I backup to two separate drives. One of which is attached to the thin client pc to run a nightly backup.
I often tell people that backing up is not hard. Mine is complex for most because it involves a lot of configuration. All you need are a bunch of high capacity hard drives and just put your files there. A backup is better than no backup
Love this video. Need this…
What brand blu-ray and and Blu- ray disks do you recommend, Also Nas with with online server capabilities if there is one?
I recommend verbatim as my go to option since there the only well know optical media manufacturer out there, as for drives anything can work really, but a lg desktop drive or a lg external blu ray drive would work fine.
Not a word about Time Machine. You don't use it? How would you integrate it into a NAS/offsite backup system?
I've always been big on optical data backup, pretty much all my offsite is just optical. Was always easy to keep at my parents house or in my work locker. Discs would be encrypted so if lost or taken no issues, and the DVD's are dirt cheap. I moved to using blueray a couple of years ago and it great having the extra size, especially for all the larger media files we tend to create now adays or maybe a movie rip that I don't have the dvd for anymore. I would stay away from DL blueray and BDXL the pricing is ridiculous compared to standard blueray.
don't dvd's rot in a few years tho? lost a lot of data to rotting dvd's
@ondrejbrandejsky5592 only lost one, still got dvds that are around 15 Years old that I burned. Verbatim sells mdisc dvd and bluerays and they have an archival quality disc as well. Cheaper dvd can definitely suffer from disc rot though and Ig they are left out exposed to sunlight a lot that can effect them. I always check my archives every 2-3 years and I make 2-3 copies of the same disc just to be sure.
@@ondrejbrandejsky5592 I have DVD's from the 90's that still work.
@@ondrejbrandejsky5592thought so as well, so I would suggest blu ray over dvd
This video inspired me to finally do a Time Machine backup, thanks.
I use Acronis Cloud for anything in the Windows world but not on my Mac. Time Machine and iCloud storage are much more suited for the Mac imho. For Windows I totally agree. Acronis has been my choice for a long time now for all servers and workstations. Most important of all, it has never let me down when I ( or my customers ) needed to recover things, be it a certain mail attachement, a complete system restore or a VMware export.
But for the Mac, I dunno, Acronis won't let you pick a certain mail and recover it, only the Exchange Server module can do that...with an Exchange Postbox on a Win Srv, not on your Mac.
Why do you have a system76 computer (linux) but your screen shows macos?
I have a 50GB iCloud for my iPad and iPhone - which also gives me browser access to my stuff. I also have 1TB of OneDrive with my Microsoft 365 account. So I'm definitely covered for off-site as well as sharing a common space between my different devices.
how long term stable and how scratch sensitive are blu ray backups?
Most blu ray formats, if you buy them from reputable manufacturers, have hard coat technology build into it Becuase of the formats sensitivity to scratches, so it should be in theory more resistant than a cheap dvd-+r
For easy blueray off site storage, loan someone your blueray player
I guess I’m having redundancy for my redundancy… my iPhone and iPad backup are locally on my Mac, I do this weekly. The Mac does it’s Time Machine on my Synology Server. I have another Synology some kilometers off site and the main Synology does a weekly full backup on the offsite one and has versioning too.
And the main Synology has a HDD connected for a backup of most important files, which are in iCloud too.
My gaming PC has multiple drives which are a mirrored by itself.
I never lost something permanently, I had once to get a corrupted file from Time Machine and once a full mac restore from Time Machine. I’m quite happy with my setup. HDD space is running out on Synology and needing bigger drives and doing a rebuild multiple times scares me a bit though…
Great video! Having a reliable backup power source is crucial, especially during camping trips or family outings. The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series seems like a perfect solution. With its massive capacity, fast recharging, and waterproof technology, it's definitely worth considering for outdoor enthusiasts like us. Thanks for sharing this recommendation!
Thanks for the recommendation! I completely agree that having a reliable backup power source is crucial, especially when you're out camping or on family outings. The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series sounds like a perfect solution with its massive capacity, fast recharging, and waterproof technology. I'll definitely consider it for my outdoor adventures!
I've unfortunately lost 8 4TB drives worth of data recently... I run a Plex server on TrueNAS (then Core, now Scale) and I've been rebuilding/recollecting stuff on some new 4TBs for it... As for backup I'm only using BackBlaze B2 of which integrates into TrueNAS Core/Scale. I'm running a tad behind with the cloud sync, but oh boy will it be a doozy once I set it to sync again. haha.
Great stuff, but some actual disclosure of the costs would be SUPER helpful. The 5 tb storage level shown in the video, for 3 computers (not an uncommon situation, especially for a couple... and not actually enough for me personally), is a whopping $350/year. Unless you have primarily computers with tiny drives (a possibility these days, but not how I roll), multi-terabytes is really essential. But at that price, it's far cheaper (and arguably better, since 5tb is laughable in my situation) to pay for multiple Backblaze accounts instead, which include unlimited amounts of data backup.
Time Machine, a Mac and large hard drive coupled with cloud storage and if you're really adventurous, a bootable drive from like Carbon Copy Cloner.
Was playing this video in the background and not skipping the sponsored part and after 5minutes was like when is this going to end 😂
LTO-8 tape is AWESOME!!! It's already saved my butt a few times.
Yes, the initial cost of the drives ARE expensive and the original cost of the tapes were about the same as a HDD, but the cost of the tapes have come down and on a $/GB basis, the more storage space you need, the cost/GB starts to go down (because the price of the tape drive is a fixed cost, and not a variable cost like HDDs).
And then if you compress the data (the system that might be doing the backup might not be very great at doing the compression AND writing the compressed data to tape), so if you compress the data "manually", and then write the compressed result file to the tape, you can get pretty good compression ratios onto the tape, depending on the data that you are trying to backup.
(Videos doesn't compress very well at all, but text files compress VERY well.)
What’s the best way to backup iCloud Photos?
With 25gb Blu-ray Discs it would only take me 350 discs to backup my photo library.
I’ve been thinking of getting a NAS but I don’t know what to go for.
How would this compare to getting a Synology NAS, True NAS/Unraid?
Ease of mind with synology
True nas if home made
Depends how serious you are, and how expandable you want your system to be. Synology works out of the box, but is relatively expensive and gets quite unreasonably expensive once you'd like to add up to 8 drives. UnRAID isn't free, but you can build a cheap computer and have lots of expandability, and you can do whatever you want with it like run virtual machines. And if you're a (semi)-IT pro you could use True NAS Scale, which is the most powerful and free to use, but quite difficult to setup, and you can't add different sized drives to the same pool. So for me UnRAID is the best of both worlds. I've built an UnRAID PC a little while back, which allows me to add drives as I go of different sizes, and in a large computer case I could easily fit about 11 drives. I can always rebuild it in an even larger enclosure.
@@DTRemcoG Setting up TrueNAS as a simple File Server is not difficult and can be done in 30 minutes just by following a tutorial.
Generally speaking, you don't want to put drivers of different capacities in a Raid array anyway.
Going with Unraid or Synology, once you commit, you commit for good since you can't really try before you buy. On the other hand, you can spin up TrueNAS on a VM, attach a bunch of virtual hdd on it and you can create a lab and test how it works and how to set it up without any costs to begin with.
Great overview of 321 backups and for most people cloud storage is definitely the easiest option. Though I wish you would have discussed some of the other options available for of site backups like synology remote server snapshot replication or less expensive cloud, backup options like backblaze b2 which allows you to back up your Nas to the cloud.
Oh wow this was well timed. I'm currently going through this right now
I'm backin' up, backin' up, backin' up, backin' up… Cause Quinn Nelson taught me good…
I use Time Machine, and iCloud from Apple. $2.50 a month is worth it, as your get 200 GBs of storage space, you can access and modify the files of your choice.
great video overall but why is the file in 1:58 last edited in 2026???
Clearly this was sent from the future to warn us of the inevitable data loss we will experience.
Sometimes you lose data because you haven't created it yet
Not sure if there's a software solution for that though
i feel like a dummy :( apple lost over 900gigs of data in my icloud and cant restore it :(
Where to put the discount code? I used the link and there is no discount for me on also no way to enter the code.
Found it. On mobile in the pre last setup, filling out the form, at the top, tap on "your order" there is a checkbox for the discount.
I have a HDD in my computer that I back up to, and two external drives that I back up to, and store at my dad's place. I back up to one HDD, bring it to his house, bring the other one home with me, and back up to that 1-2 months later. I have other computers, but none of them have anything on them that I can't live without, so a NAS is a bit overkill in my case.
I was just watching a video from Luke Miani that was also sponsored by Acronis. Seemed like it had a lot of potential until I got to the end. Then I was like “… that’s it? Did I just watch a long commercial?”
FYI BlyRay Disk M-DISC are my preferred backup method :) So from my PC throught the network to my NAS, and then I backup the NAS to BD-R. I'm 3-2-0 strategy :P Everything at home
Apparently new M-DISCs are fake / not real?
this video is so useful. I love it. thank you so much for this. also I almost never comment in videos but I am so grateful right now that I ended up doing it.
Keep in mind your photos are probably already stored on your computer, phone, and the cloud. 3 copies
How to protect data from solar flares will it affect m discs..?
I also use multiple hdds for storage. They are quite old but still work. They are not my only copies and they do not have critial info. Also a case for a 2.5hdd is like 10€ which is very cheap. I would recommend people who have a bunch of hdds from old laptops to use them as external drive storage.
10:30 I haven't seen one of those portrait Apple displays since I was in high school in the 90s 😐