New Re-Released 2023 KTM 790 Adventure | Why have KTM done this & where does it fit in the lineup?
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- KTM have just updated and re-released the KTM 790 Adventure. The ADV bike has been refreshed and given a new lease of life to compete against other mid-sized entry level ADV bikes like Yamaha's Tenere 700. Built in China, this promises to be significantly cheaper than the previous version, while having many of the 890 Adventures features. But where will it fit in the KTM lineup? And will we see it in North America? Does this spell the end for the KTM 890 Adventure?
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Owning a 2020 790 Adv R, it makes me smile that it’s back! I found it painful to see my bike was outdated in no time and often wondered if I should have gone w the T7. Based on my experience, I am not sure the bike will be worse of being built in China as the build quality in Austria wasn’t that great anyway. But still love the bike as is.
Yes I remember being surprised that it was here and then gone so quickly. I rode one back to back with the T7 and felt it handled better than the T7 (not top heavy), but never considered getting the subsequent 890 (900cc off road...it's excessive IMHO). Interesting what you say about the Austrian build quality. If they can maintain or even improve the build quality in China, then, given the reduced cost, I'm sure it will sell. Cheers.
i own a CFmoto MT800 and the new SR450 and the quality is fantastic, the SR450 is better than the Japanese rivals....
I think this is a hit. Big picture and all rider personas considered, this is a welcome addition to the lineup for non-USA buyers. Time will tell if this is brilliant product management or not.
This thing looks the tits compared to the "old" 790, I dig it! Pricing in Belgium is €100 more expensive than the T7, but KTM offer discounts where as Yamaha dealers leave zero room for negotiation. You can get a very well equipped 790 for the price of a standard T7. As a T7-fanboy, I'm tempted...
From my point of view, two reasons speak for this motorcycle.
In Europe, a motorcycle for a novice rider may not have more power than 35 KW. After two years, you can unthrottle the bike again. That's why KTM produced the 890 L for Europe with 70 instead of 77 KW. The 70 KW can be throttled down to 35 KW, the 77 KW cannot. For this there is now the 790 which you can also reduce to the power of 35 KW.
The second reason is the price and the competitiveness with other brands. The Yamaha T7 costs 10,950 Swiss francs without taxes in Switzerland. The new KTM 790, on the other hand, costs only 10,200 Swiss francs without taxes. (11'758 USD Yamaha / 10'952 USD KTM) With KTM, however, the customer has the option to upgrade the machine if he wants to. Cruise control, for example, can't even be had at extra cost on the Yamaha T7, Honda Transalp and Suzuki V Strom 800. For me a must on a touring bike. Would I buy one? As a BMW fan and no Offroad rider of an F700GS, KTM has been out of the question for me for quality reasons. With this machine, however, I could become weak, because I believe that the Chinese will do everything to produce high quality to be able to conquer the markets. And it costs here in Switzerland fully equipped about 1'000 USD less than a BMW F850GS.
That's an interesting perspective, thanks Stefan.
2:26-3:02 Back in 2021 when the 890 was new they also increased crankshaft mass by 20% to make the engine perform better/smoother at low rpm and the reviewers praised this change because it helps alot in slow situations (harder to stall). So i dont think its any less agile then the 890's. My dealership will get a demo bike in april and i cant wait to test it.
More choice is always good. Cheers.
I've had bad experiences with Chinese built motorcycles in the past and having "KTM standards" attached, especially lately, does not add any confidence for me. I wouldn't touch this bike, luckily I live in the US and don't have to. 😉
Great point!
You were right about the standard 890 being replaced. And I am interested in this for the lower seat height over the 890. Excited for it to come to the US.
I got a 2022 890 Adv standard, great bike! If an equivalent 790 would be cheaper (under 10000EUR mark) then I would have bought it.
CFMoto does a lot of things and we have already a number of bikes using parts from China, including Honda and BMW who have engines built in China.
790/ 199kg(2023) vs 890/196kg(2023) ....... the only good side on the 790 is probably the price..... but if you didn't take the price in consideration.... 890 are better choice.... for me
Yes, bulky - 10kgs more than the original. The price hasn't been released yet, but if you look at the Duke 790vs 890R, you're looking at 10.2K versus 14K. If they can undercut the Tenere 700 by 2 grand, that would be mighty for them. Cheers.
My thoughts exactly. I did pre order the 23 890R. It makes sense. I do think there is a bias of where 790s are being build and it makes sense for a business point of view. But a few $k isn’t enough of a decrease for me go for a softer heavier made in China bike. I’ve been Austrian Orange since ‘07 and happy.
890 2022 is 186kg , those new plastics are heavy
That's Weird...but then again, fitting for KTM as they constantly "fiddle" with their line up.. It'll be interesting to see the price if it ever gets to Canada...
Agree: it's the last thing I expected to see, but...I haven't heard anything, but if I were a KTM marketer, I'd sell my stock of 890 Adventures and slip in the 790ADV, should take about 2 seasons... With the 990 coming out soon, an 890ADV-R, but nothing smaller except the single cylinder 650, there is a hole that I guess the 790 may fill without too much R & D cost.
Just bought the black 790. Hope it was a good choice. We shall soon see. My 1st KTM, hope its not my last. Lol
Let us know 👍👍
Yes, keep is updated with your feelings on the bike. Cheers.
Brilliant move in my opinion. The 790 will appeal to a massive audience and offers good value for money. I'm eagerly waiting for the release myself! Pricewise the standard 890 sits in the same category as the Tiger 900 Rally, Africa Twin 1100 and Ducati Desert X. Stiff competition and better options at this price point, so best to just pay a grand more and go for the 890 ADV R. The 790 is going to sell like hot cakes
Agree, Ray. Can't see the point in keeping the 890 base model given your points above. Cheers.
This is definitely the engine for me. 70% road 30% off road. It has the strength I need and is not too tall for me, who is shorter. I am definitely selling my BMW 310 GS next season and buying a real engine. New KTM 790 black.
Ktms lineup doesn’t make a lot of sense but I’m sure they have a good reason for it. Another question is why do we have the KTM 690, Husqvarna 701 and now a GasGas 700 when they’re essentially the same bike?
No they are singles and as such much lighter.
I wonder if the cams will crap out on these 790s.
I don’t know what exactly is the reason but your guess makes sense; market repositioning. I currently have a 890 Adv S, and I don’t want to be somehow downgraded when I’ll go for a change. If the 790 is to replace the 890, then I might consider to go find the successor else where. The 890 Adv R is a bit to high for me. If the driver to return to the 790 is to lower down the price, it means that they’ll save on the production cost, and probably also on the specs. Why can’t KTM keep the 890 at the right price...?
They may well keep the 890 adv. I think the 790 is very close to being the same bike though, although priced cheaper and 100cc less it's there best short term solution to the success of the T7 and Tuareg.
Thanks for informations and thoughts. I thought the new 790 was a marketing action to counter Tuareg660 and updated Tenere700 in the 12000 price range, while 890R us aiming at DesertX in the 16000 price range. Then the 890 standard is due to be the orange version of blue Norden901 in the 14500 price range. It looks like CFmoto will offer a new CF800 Explore, using the 790engine and their 800MT platform, with Adv capacities, again to counter Tuareg and Tenere. Chinese manufacturing can be excellent when proper mfg investments are mades under western engineering supervision and enhanced quality control.
Great comment, Gilles. I see this as a plus - more choice, less money. Cheers.
well it depends on 2 things. First the price difference and second the quality control of KTM Austria on the manufacturer ,
Only been 2 weeks but my new 24’ 790 Adventure is a blast to ride. Haven’t done much off road. Waiting until after the break in. Been just learning the bike an the TFT. So far so good. Actually the bike is even better than I expected. Honeymoon faze IK but we shall see.
Glad to hear that you're getting on with it. Thanks for the feedback. Cheers.
If its priced about the same as a T7 it would surely be high on my list to consider as my new bike.
Obviously the big word is reliability here, if its as reliable as the T7 and most likely the new Transalp its a winner bike.
I certainly hope so, i love the design, fuel capacity, weight carried low down, protection by design, and fingers crossed if they managed to make it reliable i would go for it.
Made in China is no bother most things are today, if its designed for reliability, and the Chinese plant is well ran its as reliable as anything else.
I dont care about politics, but bikes so I could not care less for such reasons.
Hello BlueMarble rider did you see the new V-Strom 1050DE comes in a gorgeous blue color in the US and it has a new color tft display plus quick shifter
what do you think about it will you upgrade??
Hi, Summer: did a quick preview on it a while ago. Like it, but not sure about upgrading yet...ua-cam.com/video/YOV8-u4sbLg/v-deo.html
@@BlueMarbleRider hi thanks for the reply ...I saw your video after ...
Looks like a nice upgrade but the base model with the better tft is also good for less money i guess
I realy like the new tft screen and the quick shifter
Thanks for the interesting comments. It makes sense to drop the 890 for the new 790 for the price conscious and keep the 890 R as the real off-road deal. I personally ride on three continents which evokes different considerations. Also, with 192cm (6'3") I m not height challanged. I keep my 790 R in Germany as a relative lightweight off-road oriented adventure bike. My highly modified 1190 R serves as a sports tourer in Europe. I am still undecided which of both I will use for my upcoming adventure in France, Spain and Northern Morocco. What do you think is the better choice?
This all looks l different deep down in Africa. I spend 2022 in Namibia and put more than 20 thousand Km on my Tenere T7. I did not need the power of the KTM in this terrain, but I needed the unmatched reliability being in extremely remote areas riding solo. In hindsight, the best choice. In Texas, I have my 2010 Ducati Multistata 1200 S as a sports tourer to eat the distances. This still allows me light off-road excretions in the American Southwest. I plan to add a KTM 690 that I can haul on a rack on my old and trusted 1976 Cadillac convertible. I can camp in a home base and play in serious dirt.
Cheers Andi
Wow, that's quite the fleet, Andreas. You sound far more experienced than me re what sort of bike to use in Namibia. What will you use the KTM 690 for - off road only? If so, I would go lighter, say ktm excf 350 (105kg) vs 690 140kg. So much more fun and easier on the body in the sandy stuff. Cheers
@@BlueMarbleRider off-road only, riding a trailer queen, a smaller bike is of course the better choice. Covering distances with luggage , I see the 690 as a minimum. With a good luggage rack you can stiffen up the subframe to carry luggage.
Too bad it won't be coming to Canada as I'm looking to change my bike in 2023. I'd like to consider the 800MT from CF Moto but unsure about the resale value of that long term... most likely not high... Would a KTM 790 slightly more expensive than the 800MT (I'd expect) keep a better resale value? I'd like to know your opinions on that! So far, both don't seem available in Canada so they might not even be options... I'd like a bike with cruise control like those two offer and not too big and heavy or costly but those seem to be rare options... and the Japanese offers in the middle range don't even offer it as an option... Really too bad the manufacturers aren't willing to offer what the customers are asking.
Great points, particularly the cruise. CF Moto are a good brand, but not well known on these shores or really proven yet. IMHO, the KTM would offer much better resale. If the 790 comes in substantially less than the 890, I think it will make a dent in the Tuareg/Tenere market. Sadly, though, If we see it in Canada, I don't think we'll see it here until at least 2024.
I think it’s a great option, but if it’s over $10k US, not so much… I really like the 390 Adventure, but for long freeway slogs, the 790 = better, duh. Still waiting for it to show up in the US. Thanks for the review 🤞✌️🍕☕️.
What difference does it make, here in Florida you can't find any (none, zero) KTM 890's, or even the single cylinder 690's at all at the dealerships. No Yamaha T7's, No Aprilia Tuaregs. I've given up on trying to buy a new bike, I'm still riding my 08 KLR 650.
Wild. What's the story there?
I was excited about the 790 adventure until I rode one on the Continental Divide Trail. The bike had 6100 miles at the start. At the end of day one the front right brake disk spacers fell off leaving the disk flopping around. Day four the kickstand collapsed and could no longer support the weight of the bike. Gas tank venting was a problem. If the bike was hot and there was at least half tank gas would shoot out of the gas cap when the cap was open.
So now the bike will be made in China. Sorry I’m out.
Good to know, Nate. Lots of riders on here saying the same thing...
2023/24?
The fact that it will have the demo mode is a big turn off. You have already bought the bike with all the features, KTM then wants you to pay for them a second time. Chinese quality is very hit and miss, they are improving but still not there. I will be looking elsewhere.
Yes that demo mode is very divisive. I guess price is a big factor; if it comes in as low or lower than a T700, then the extra features of the demo mode for about the same price might be nice. Yes, best avoid it for the first year while they work the production bugs out. Cheers.
Makes sense to compete with the middle weight 650-800cc class, what with the new jap bikes and success of T7 and Tuareg. Based on HP the 890 really competes more with the 900-1100cc class anyway. So same platform covering both spectrums. I’m more interested in a 490-690 Adv R for lighter weight off road capability anyway. I wonder what it will do to the CFMoto 800MT which uses the 790 engine and is essentially a more road going tourer than the old 790 used to be. Seems like the newer 790 will compete directly with the cheaper 800MT, which is probably the weirdest outcome. Particularly if the updated 790 is supposed to partly target the Asian market where the CFMoto would be more accepted by the local consumers, meaning I wonder if the 790 would really even sell that much better there considering an almost identical bike is already available and will always be considerably cheaper than a ktm branded bike. Europe is a different market though, and I’d guess the revamped 790 will out sell the 800MT. Phasing out the standard 890 makes sense too, to get more clarity in the line up. Will be interesting to see if they do that. Perhaps not if they don’t intend to bring the 790 state side though. Maybe just swap those two everywhere else but murica
It will need a lot of differentiation from the cfmoto 800mt for success at entry level and it’s competing with many good bikes from there in the market segment.
Yes, that could certainly dilute the brand status if the CF Moto is the same bike in white...
Many moto companies produce their bikes in China the last years for obvious reasons like Moto Moroni, Benelux etc so if the results have the proper quality there is not any problem…
Actually. i just purchased a 790 s thanks to the lower seat height, I would have preferred the R but it was too high. This bike is perfect for the Philippines market when you don't want to go offroad but only on normal roads and any trails. Here, you need a bike able to pass through heavy hazards on the tarmac. The bike is very fun to drive whatever the environment(didn't test it high speed though). When facing corners, you get in confidently too. Obviously, the brakes are very good and the saddle is acceptable even if i wouldn't call it comfy. Power is more than enough specially when you consider how busy the roads are and you have very little opportunity to drive fast. My only real criticism relates to the suspension which is not adjustable and very hard. On the road, when you face a big unexpected hole in the street this is a plus as a hard suspension allows to pass without bottoming up and more importantly keeping you on course but this is not true on a trail and on a fast highway where a softening of the suspension would be a real plus. Another thing i didn't expect was the high fuel consumption which is more than my previous Versys. As soon as you reach 12 km, the bike feels light but when you push it in a parking you feel the weight, There are some small items which are not very good like the fuel gauge which is not very trustable and the windshield nearly useless but overall it is a very fun bike to drive. Perfect to go out for the week end but not for long drives due to the lack of comfort. You can see the difference with Japanese bikes which have no real weak points but are less performance oriented for most of their bikes offering. I cannot speak about reliability because the bike is still quite new(1200 km). Still, i love to dance with the bike when i get out of traffic jams, pedestrians, mopeds, trucks. car, dogs and else.
Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy the 790. Cheers.
I'll just keep my 21 890 adventure s. It's dependable and it's paid for. Why screw with perfection.
I saw a review of the new 890 and at the launch the review had the engine cut out and tc turn on by itself, not sure how sending the bike to China fixes reliability, but if it does. This is easily the best 7-800 adv bike and touring bike all toghether.
But I'm not buying a bike that craps out after 1,500km. I've had that from Europe bike before
It's certainly true that KTM don't do well in consumer reports for reliability, perhaps the new factory in China will fix that. I suspect paying more money at 1500km for the demo mode features the bike loses will lose them some sales.
I'm guessing it's reintroduced to soften the blow when they tells us the price for the new 890.
Good point. Time for a 690 twin, at 370lbs wet. I can dream.
@@BlueMarbleRider Or the fabled 490 Adventure
@@simulacraethat would be now the CF Moto 450 MT
@@toddbenfield6546 nah, that's a Chinese bike all the way from drawing to product. And from what I've heard they haven't been spotless.
Looks great. Hope it comes to Canada.
Not for 2023, but perhaps once the factory gets up to full production in the next year.
That's them going .. tuareg and t7? Cool story bro. Here's some real lightweight performance.
It’s almost the same weight as the Suzuki V-Strom 800DE. The funny thing is, people read 199 kg and think that’s light. 😂
I guess it's all relative, but I agree - 199 dry is more than I'd like ride off road with.
@@BlueMarbleRider then get the 390, nobody talk about that class, where KTM is the king.
I don't have a garage where to keep more than one bike, but if I did, then I would have at least 3 bikes, including a 390 Adv
The reason is simple. It’s cheaper and using the 790 badge gives it market differentiation so any issues aren’t attributed to the Austrian 890s. I have a loaded 2019 790 and I’ve had 15,000 trouble free miles. Besides the crappy seat set up I have no complaints. I personally avoid buying anything made in China and will continue to do so as long as the CCP is in power.
Interesting. Lots agree too about the Chinese angle. It seems companies are willing to dismiss free-speech, human rights for cheap labour. It's a dilemma.
2019 790 Duke here. I however have had almost all common problems. Valve cover gasket, coolant o-ring at the hot exit of the engine, cam chain tensioner, cracked screen due to direct sunlight.
Luckily I've got the extended warranty and I wouldn't want to own a KTM without an extended warranty.
@@BraapBanana_ And now it will be build in China lol
That’s all fine and good, but I bet there’s plenty of made in China items in your house. Anything electrical in your house, or car will have Chinese made components. So, you can’t really take a moral stand here.
@@martyn_g That’s the unfortunate truth regarding much of the consumer items manufactured these days because alternatives no longer exist, for now. But when given an option you bet I’m going take a moral stand as much as possible and avoid Chinese goods. The more people do that the more we can affect change there.
If they don't greed out and price it between new Transalp and VStrom it will sell.
Hello great channel very nice ride ;)
i am getting this over the tenere 700, its just better and more capable, maybe not as reliable but i am willing to make that tradeoff for better suspension and handling.
Thanks for the feedback. It will certainly less top heavy than the Tenere. Cheers.
if its priced around 10k euros en europe, i am sorry but KTM please take my money haha
my 2020 Austrian built 790 Adv has been fine - I don't think "built in China" will be even an issue regards reliability. It'll possibly earn a better record since it won't be ridden by hard core off-roaders who'll keep buying the 890R. I've read doom and gloom portents by people on U.S. forums but I came to the conclusion it's more a philosophical issue they have with CCP. lol. I wouldn't mind finding out how well that screen works and if it'll fit my bike though
I like your open-minded view. I can't see the Chinese taking too long to meet or even exceed some other manufacturers when it comes to quality, much like the Japanese have done since they started.
I know some are puzzled as to the "why" of this in light of already having the 890....I would get it because the 790 (should) be more off road capable. But the puzzling part is if the weight that this video gives is correct (437 lbs)...then it is more heavy than the 890? I don't get how a heavier bike is "entry level?" I don't get how non adjustable suspension is "entry level?" Entry level riders would do better with lighter weight and learning how to tune a suspension....I swear it seems bike makers are out of touch with riders....This being out of touch is apparent with this "demo mode" then pay hundreds of dollars for a couple of lines of software code.....Way out of touch! It's funny because most of the "demo mode" riding is during break in period....so....one can't really know if they want these extra lines of software code....And back to the non adjustable suspension.....What a load of crap! It doesn't cost much more to make an adjustable suspension. They need to stop insulting our intelligence. Modern day bike prices are ridiculous as it is....This 790 could be a hit if they just get the weight down to match the lower displacement....And as good as suspension as the 890 to take advantage of true off road riding just like the riders in their commercial ads. If one rides like the riders in the KTM ads, then you'll be breaking parts and replacing them on bikes this heavy and with a non adjustable suspension.
Love the passion. Agree for the most part with what you say. I think it comes down to corporate decisions over engineering: KTM need something to compete with the Tenere, and the KTM790ADV is a ready-made platform, albeit heavier than it was. Like you, I wish manufacturers would dare to offer us something lighter, with better suspension and fewer electronics for true ADV off road capability. Hopefully a 490 will be coming along soon. Cheers.
@@BlueMarbleRider Well of course there will be a 490. But not sure if it will come before or after the 590 and/or 290? (sarcasm directed at KTM bike offerings)
I lived and manufactured in china and I’m not surprised the bike is heavier, the steel grade is inferior so probably heavier, I’ve had small amount of experience testing there mild steel and stainless. Designed an electric car out there and became a nightmare, cheap steel cheap plastic, you pay dearly for good quality in china
I don't know, but prices are great, it's cheaper than the t7 and has a lot more power...
I will not support China in any way if I can help it.
A very thorough run down of KTM’s current marketing plan regionally and internationally. KTM portrays itself as a ‘Premium Brand’ so pitches itself against BMW, Ducati, Husqvana etc. It is quite amazing what lengths KTM will go to gain and expand its market share. Seems attempts are being made to conquer Yamaha’s position with the T7 Tenere, obviously a threat in the ‘mid Adventure bike catagory, but the T7 is made to a lower ‘Price Point’. KTM’s use of the ‘Demo’ package is pretty ruthless and my opinion is that it will put a lot of buyers off KTM. The reinvented 790 could herald a trend by manufacturers to create ‘Lazarus models’ which re appear after short spells. Clearly some rusted on KTM owners may choose to purchase the latest or newest models that become available such as the 890 or 890 R. Clearly it’s possible to ‘retro manufacture’ a motorcycle to a cheaper ‘price point’ and so compete with their closest rivals. However, with all the reports available on line of ‘tech failures and glitches’ with their onboard ‘Modes’ maybe KTM should address ‘tech reliability’ foremost, and retain their ‘Premium manufacturer’ reputation.
Nicely put, James. The 790 might be better value than the 890S though, as KTM will likely be very motivated to ensure the Chinese build quality doesn't get a bad rap from the off.
Naahhh....i'll stick to my 990 Adv.S.👌
Yes i would buy one in Québec, the only thing i would of upgrade the front forks and it woul compete with the 660 tuareg
India already makes the 390s, should have partnered with Bajaj for the 790, would have been advantageous to both. Bajaj could have used the know how to make a India only version just like the Dominar 400 and worldwide people wouldn't have their reservations about bike being Made by CCP.
I don't know about others but I think a Made in India product would have a better reach than a Made in China one
Agree. Royal Enfield and now BSA are proving to be fairly durable and very popular.
well said, that's probably why they won't bring the new 790 to the Americas
I'd have considered replacing my 2020 790 adv s with this new china 790 if and only if its weight had remained the same...
Yes, it's a pity that manufacturers don't understand less is more. Cheers.
I have a 2024 790 Adv, this same bike, it handles like a dream. The weight is down low, so it feels much, much lighter than the specs suggest. My other bike is a 350 kg cruiser, so the KTM is a pure joy to ride.
I think it’s a hit and a natural progression from my 390 adventure
Great point, Luis. I hadn't thought of it as a step up from a 390, but rather a step down from an 890. But you are right, it is a good benchmark for those who want to move up.
Don’t think this competes well with the T7 or 660.
big hit for me, a 890 cheaper than a Tenere 700... haha take my money
they shouldve made a 590 & cheaper , just a bit more grunt than a 390 but light & cheap - perfect
Agree. Still looking for that perfect light mid sized ADV bike.
CF Moto 450 MT✌️
It would temp me as a 80% Road 20% dirt rider, but not made in china!!!!
I get it. I don't agree with their politics either, so wouldn't buy the bike; but I bet it is reliable. Cheers.
Further proof, if any were needed, that KTM product development and marketing are staffed by idiots. Like your new bike? It’ll be out of the lineup in a year or two and replaced with something better and more expensive. Then bafflingly they’ll farm the old bike offshore (this time even further away) and bring a not at all better model back at the same price the original bike sold for. And give you electronic features you didn’t really need but get long enough to grow accustomed to, then take them away if you don’t pay them more money. One of the many reasons, like no extended warranty in the UK and if anything does go wrong you’re at the mercy of the dealer as KTM won’t give a damn, why I’ll never buy one. Oh, and last but not least, they look fugly!
I'm skeptical about the quality since it'll be built in China. OTOH, it may be OK by KTM reliability standards, which can't match Japanese standards. Also, perhaps KTM engineers and production supervisors will be there to make the product is being built up to KTM standards. I'm curious what people think of my opinion.
I think for me, the jury is out. Given KTMs history of niggling warranty issues and nagging faults, this will either be a boom or bust. Austrian qc hasn't been perfect by any stretch: question is can they do better by sending the same managers over to China. Debatable, but time will tell. Cheers.
@@BlueMarbleRider Thanks for the post. By niggling warranty issues, do you mean KTM is reluctant to fix something under warranty?
Yeah when KTM couldn't manage to fix the same problems year after year and are still continuing to do so I completely took them out of the running. If you pay for a premium bike then that is what you should get. Not running it back and forth to the dealership to fix warranty issues. KTM adventure bikes have become the land of the posers pretending they are Chris Birch. Just like Harley riders think they are big bad bikers in a gang. Sensible people will buy sensible bikes that have less issues and cost less. Especially if they are actually going to be ridden hard and not to the coffee shop on street tires.
There is more than an element of truth in what you say. Cheers.
I think you're wrong about them dropping the standard 890 Adventure. The line up will look something like this: 790 Adventure - cheap(er) entry level adventure with Transalp levels of power and non-adjustable suspension, 890 Adventure - more power, adjustable suspension front and back and higher price, 890 Adventure R - higher price still, the fully adjustable top of the line WP suspension. Would I buy the 790 over a Transalp or a Tenere 700? Maybe. Would I buy the new 890 Adventure over any of the others? Absolutely. KTM's are almost always huge fun and feel much lighter than their actual weight.
Great points. Thanks for the feedback.
A 790 without any electronics would be the winner in the adventure market.
Electronics are only fun as long as they work.
True travelers don't need all that semiconductor shit. Especially non-Japanese.
travel with a bycicle then
@@Bruno4511190 keep playing with your Mickey Mouse enhancers then
Yes, political.
KTMs / Husqvarnas have a lot of problema/issues and with so much products and made in China...that will continues 🤔🤔
I guess we'll have to see. Certainly the first year of any bike is one to watch. Cheers.
Hit.
In my opinion it's a mis - the bike that we really want is a 490 Adventure. Made in china for me is no go option, especially since they are supporting russia in this dirt war
Would love to see a 490/550 twin adv bike weighing it at less than 360lbs wet. At least manufacturers are starting to see the value in building smaller lighter capacity adv bikes, perhaps the trend will continue until we get what we want :-)
And what's the PRICE 🤷🙈
China, made in China ?......not for me
Let's hope not. Personal experience?
I was 100% in until the made in china part... lame
A lot of riders are making that choice too. Interesting to see if KTM and others decide to reverse that decision in the future. Cheers.
Garbage. Like if KTM didn't already have enough issues regarding their motorcycles. Not targeting Europe for sure with that.
If you include GB/UK as Europe, then it's already in the show rooms.
Please tell KTM 🖕 demo mode.
Girls need a bike too.
All these manufacturers putting lock out temporary electronics deserve hackers. This is just greed.
There are a lot of opinions on this, yours is very popular with many riders. I guess they can produce the bike cheaper if they make one model, and sell it at different price points based on the level of electronics riders want. Where it gets tough on new buyers is they give you everything, then take some of premium electronics features away. It's never a good strategy to give, then take back - leaves a bad taste in the buyer's mouth.
@@BlueMarbleRider exactly and this case I reckon there will as I said be loads of IT savy hackers willing to break into the systems.There seems to be no actual competition between western manufacturers. With Chinese machines becoming more reliable and coming with all these electronic systems coming as standard I'm hoping it will give them a shake up.