I'm so glad that someone interpreted undertale's message in other way than just "completionism bad". it always felt a little bit off to me since toby didin't strike me as a person who would shit at you for wanting to experience a fictional world to it's fullest
I mean it’s different when it simulates what it would be like with living breathing intelligent beings. It’s cruel in other games but in most other games it’s plain story choices that get you a route, in underale it’s if you kill someone.
I think I understand that part where he believes that most people misunderstood the message in Undertale. Because one of the messages in Undertale that people misunderstand that still bothers me is that people believe Chara is an evil person. Chara is not evil, the player who is playing the genocide run is the one who is evil, and Chara is the only character who really calls you out on it and gives you consequences for your evil actions. But people don't want to be responsible for it, so they put the blame on Chara instead.
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmalso chara doesn’t assist you in the route. The only way they help is by telling you how many monsters are left. Once you abort the route, it just goes back to normal
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmThe entire message of Undertale is that there are consequences to your actions. Chara didn't tell you to kill everybody in the underground, they didn't hold you at gunpoint to make you slaughter. That decision is entirely on the player. The player can easily abort the run at literally any point in the game, but they still chose to go through with it. The player is the one that wasted their time trying to find every encounter, which you have to intentionally and meticulously grind for hours. The most Chara does throughout the run is making occasionally creepy when interacting with certain objects. The only major thing Chara does is at the end of the genocide route, and up until that point every decision was made by the player and the player alone. Chara deleting the world is just a punishment for your actions, that's the point. If you complete the genocide route twice in a row, Chara will literally call you out for having a "perverted sentimentality." I know I went on a bit of a rant here, but I literally cannot understand how the main message of Undertale just flies over people's heads.
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmOh, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Chara, or saying that they're not a bad person. They've done a lot of screwed up things, and was pretty much the main reason why Asriel got his "Kill or be killed mentality." However, calling them the main antagonist of the genocide route is silly. They're a bad person, yes, but I think it's stupid to just shift the blame of genocide on them.
From the thumbnail i thought this was a video from someone with thousands if not millions of subs but 60!?!?? I would have never guessed in a million years, you deserve to be famous and your editing style is very nice
Well, if any word could describe the fandom it would be: obssesion, since the fandom is so close to the game that it's practically trying to detach something that was super-glued.
Toby doesn't want to spoil Undertale hidden lores to the community, But in the same time he's keeping to give us hints and pieces to solve the puzzle ourselves. What a Genuis.
I could see why he’s scared, the fandom is huge and sometimes it can easily get offended. But honestly this game means a lot to me hopefully it don’t get deleted. But I am satisfied with deltarune but no game is gonna match undertale and undertale. I realized what games I really want thanks to undertale.
I never read undertale as "don't complete the game". for me the point was that from the beginning we are led to hate flowey, who has the ability to save and respawn just like us, and used to use that power for good, but got bored and started using it for evil, but we end up *just* as bad as him, and many people don't even realize the irony of it. the game is up to interpret however you want though, i'm not saying this is *the* message
The college degree I'm getting next year can be traced back to Undertale. Fan tracks on SoundCloud on Inverted Fate's tumblr (both original and reblogged) made me realize "wait. _I_ could do that." I got FL Studio 6 (the version Toby made a tutorial for in the 2000s) in the spring of 2016 to try my hand at making AU tracks. I was a sophomore. I got good enough at working in FL to be accepted (for a recreation of Tension Rising from KHII). Then a couple years ago, I switched my major from music production to Composition. If all continues well, I'll graduate next June. And it can be traced back to Undertale.
I feel like I can relate a bit to Toby on this one. While I haven’t made a video game yet (only a small concept on a RPG Maker called “RPG Maker Fes”), I plan to at some point. It will most likely take more than a decade, but I’d still like to make it, as I’ve gotten too far into its story. But back to the first sentence, I am generally misunderstood as well, sometimes referred to as “odd”. However, I’ve seen Undertale and “under”stand that games like it, Shovel Knight, Celeste, ETC. can blow up in popularity. I am prepared for that, yet I would prefer if it was kept to a small fan base (it probably will). This game will include concepts that I don’t see in most games, such as controversial topics, how inspiration/“originality” can be dangerous, and the reasons behind certain acts, rather than just doing them 100% for the shock-value. It has a few unique-ish mechanics and I hope to actually get started on it at some point. Also, this is unrelated to this conversation, but HOW DO YOU HAVE ONLY 273 SUBSCRIBERS?! I hope to see more of your work, man!
It's revolting to know the cover is more known than the original song. However since Steven Universe aired on TV and not online, it's also understandable that it would. I still love both of those franchises so dearly after so long.
This Video was neat I’m going to subscribe. I’ve played Undertale so many times I’ve played Pacifist and Genocide 100 something times each this game is a comfort game for me I like to replay it every once in a while and it’s not very long. I kind of ignored the whole message I guess cause never left this game behind at all and I am really excited for Deltarune I’m enjoying it more than Undertale so far.
It does feel like I'm part of something cool when a piece of media I enjoy doesn't get much attention. Even when inevitably, it is fortunate enough to get a notable enough following. I should know; on Steam alone, I've found a handful of games that either nobody or next to nobody talks about.
Completing a true pacifist run + completely incinerating your pc to smithereens so that nothing and nobody in a million years will ever hit that reset button = best ending 😊
Toby purposely made the sprites bad, I’ve seen an unused sprite of papyrus that was actually really good, there was also other sprites that were also very good too, but Toby’s reason why he didn’t use it was because it wasn’t crappy enough.
For first, omg, I love your editing style and kind of speaking. Feels like Im watching matpat or someone like that lol. and for second, I think that undertale and the fandom has expierned the same exact thing (or no, idk tbh) I love the game for 2-3 years and can't stop playing and then move on more to fandom, then au's etc etc... altho some people (like you) mix those things and keep playing while doing further steps onto our creations sorry for this long comment I can't simplify things when it comes to undertale
He seems like he’s not against continuing using the world of Undertale as is evident with the Smash Bros skin the first bit of Deltarune and the remix track he made with the creator of Touhou Project I think while he is open to exploring it it was always made to be a stand alone game and instead of milking the franchise for cash like other Indie Games he wanted to do other things then continue to make a Game that he has stated had a lot of stuff from other Games put into it like Touhou Even when he met the creator of Earthbound he said to Toby that he should make Undertale 2 instead of helping him make Mother 4 which is something that he clearly refused This is all speculation so take what I say with a grain of salt
@@Mariko_8 the best of undertale imo is actually the meta stuff,which is why i think it would be very hard for deltarune to surpass it,because META are like one time nukes,one you have seen it,you dont get excited by the same trick again
@Mariko_8 yeah but the question is... HOW DO MY VIDEOS GET MORE VIEWES??? THIS IS MUCH BETTER QUALITY. I guess youtube is just weird ( or maybe theories are a bit more popular )
before i watch the whole video, he didn't want it to "fail," he just didn't want it to get a lot of attention, because that would inturn mean the creator would get a lot of attention, and not a lot of people want that.
Would of been cool if we got to see a whole damn interview of toby explaining EVERY piece of the fandom he hates, comics, memes, animations, anime videos, fangames, ect. Would be funny and cool at the same time.
@@extremempsilvamps5851yep! he wanted to make deltarune since he had a fever dream of its ending in 2011, the song in its ost "april 2012" i think is when he started conceptualizing it and the characters. he made undertale to prove to himself that he could make a game of that level so he could start working on deltarune
I'm so glad that someone interpreted undertale's message in other way than just "completionism bad". it always felt a little bit off to me since toby didin't strike me as a person who would shit at you for wanting to experience a fictional world to it's fullest
Well he is an annoying dog so he could definitely shit on You
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that'd be, at its most, maybe teen Toby in his Halloween Hack days
I mean it’s different when it simulates what it would be like with living breathing intelligent beings. It’s cruel in other games but in most other games it’s plain story choices that get you a route, in underale it’s if you kill someone.
I think I understand that part where he believes that most people misunderstood the message in Undertale. Because one of the messages in Undertale that people misunderstand that still bothers me is that people believe Chara is an evil person. Chara is not evil, the player who is playing the genocide run is the one who is evil, and Chara is the only character who really calls you out on it and gives you consequences for your evil actions. But people don't want to be responsible for it, so they put the blame on Chara instead.
wait the minute. Hold up! You are cooking up somehting.
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmyou are literally missing the entire point of undertale. You are blaming a fictional child for your actions.
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmalso chara doesn’t assist you in the route. The only way they help is by telling you how many monsters are left. Once you abort the route, it just goes back to normal
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmThe entire message of Undertale is that there are consequences to your actions. Chara didn't tell you to kill everybody in the underground, they didn't hold you at gunpoint to make you slaughter. That decision is entirely on the player. The player can easily abort the run at literally any point in the game, but they still chose to go through with it. The player is the one that wasted their time trying to find every encounter, which you have to intentionally and meticulously grind for hours. The most Chara does throughout the run is making occasionally creepy when interacting with certain objects. The only major thing Chara does is at the end of the genocide route, and up until that point every decision was made by the player and the player alone. Chara deleting the world is just a punishment for your actions, that's the point. If you complete the genocide route twice in a row, Chara will literally call you out for having a "perverted sentimentality." I know I went on a bit of a rant here, but I literally cannot understand how the main message of Undertale just flies over people's heads.
@@oongloose-moogloose-rl3dmOh, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Chara, or saying that they're not a bad person. They've done a lot of screwed up things, and was pretty much the main reason why Asriel got his "Kill or be killed mentality." However, calling them the main antagonist of the genocide route is silly. They're a bad person, yes, but I think it's stupid to just shift the blame of genocide on them.
From the thumbnail i thought this was a video from someone with thousands if not millions of subs but 60!?!?? I would have never guessed in a million years, you deserve to be famous and your editing style is very nice
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@@a-10warthog41 youtube is based on luck and time so
I'm so grateful for your kind words! It’s encouraging to hear that about my editing.
This is a video from someone with thousands (or millions) of subs! Also, sub count doesn’t even matter anymore!
@@GiovanniKody100"thousands (or million) of subs", wdym he has 259 subs
Well, if any word could describe the fandom it would be: obssesion, since the fandom is so close to the game that it's practically trying to detach something that was super-glued.
@@Andriu-eh9sg yeah, definitely
It's why I distanced myself from it. Not really a large fan of how it's become.
I think he just didn't expect the game to blow up so much as he was just a guy, he became popular with it
Something that can happen to some people
Toby doesn't want to spoil Undertale hidden lores to the community, But in the same time he's keeping to give us hints and pieces to solve the puzzle ourselves. What a Genuis.
I could see why he’s scared, the fandom is huge and sometimes it can easily get offended.
But honestly this game means a lot to me hopefully it don’t get deleted.
But I am satisfied with deltarune but no game is gonna match undertale and undertale.
I realized what games I really want thanks to undertale.
"Undertale was my childhood"...
This statement turned me into dust faster than any conflict in the game that ends with violence.
I'm not sure if you're referring to something that I said or if you're just talking about that phrase generally?
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@@Mariko_8 I think maybe its them saying that they feel an overwhelming sense of melencholy or nostalgia over undertale? idk it confuses me too.
@@Mariko_8 likely a comment saying this game being part of your childhood makes them feel old. That's kinda how I feel as well. 😂
@@Mariko_8 It's referencing the fact that when bones eventually decay they turn into dust. Needless to say, it made this person feel old.
I never read undertale as "don't complete the game".
for me the point was that from the beginning we are led to hate flowey, who has the ability to save and respawn just like us, and used to use that power for good, but got bored and started using it for evil, but we end up *just* as bad as him, and many people don't even realize the irony of it.
the game is up to interpret however you want though, i'm not saying this is *the* message
half sans, half sans
are you a half full papyrus or a half empty sans
So full sans
Fuck that.
I'm full papyrus 💀
@@ThatGabrielGuy_1985 what but he ….
@@TheFunnyDanger666 *PAPYRUS.* END OF STORY. *GOOOF FACE.*
The college degree I'm getting next year can be traced back to Undertale. Fan tracks on SoundCloud on Inverted Fate's tumblr (both original and reblogged) made me realize "wait. _I_ could do that." I got FL Studio 6 (the version Toby made a tutorial for in the 2000s) in the spring of 2016 to try my hand at making AU tracks. I was a sophomore. I got good enough at working in FL to be accepted (for a recreation of Tension Rising from KHII). Then a couple years ago, I switched my major from music production to Composition. If all continues well, I'll graduate next June. And it can be traced back to Undertale.
@@tahutoa that's a really nice story. I'm happy for you!
Toby should be made aware of this. your determination is amazing
THE THUMBNAIL GOES HARD🗣️🔥🔥💥
I feel like I can relate a bit to Toby on this one. While I haven’t made a video game yet (only a small concept on a RPG Maker called “RPG Maker Fes”), I plan to at some point. It will most likely take more than a decade, but I’d still like to make it, as I’ve gotten too far into its story. But back to the first sentence, I am generally misunderstood as well, sometimes referred to as “odd”. However, I’ve seen Undertale and “under”stand that games like it, Shovel Knight, Celeste, ETC. can blow up in popularity. I am prepared for that, yet I would prefer if it was kept to a small fan base (it probably will). This game will include concepts that I don’t see in most games, such as controversial topics, how inspiration/“originality” can be dangerous, and the reasons behind certain acts, rather than just doing them 100% for the shock-value. It has a few unique-ish mechanics and I hope to actually get started on it at some point. Also, this is unrelated to this conversation, but HOW DO YOU HAVE ONLY 273 SUBSCRIBERS?! I hope to see more of your work, man!
so is this like an ad or
see you in ten years
really good editing, like i would expect this work from a yter with millions of subs your really underrated
Thank you, it means a lot to me!
Man undertale was so good that we forgot we were growing up with ut
@@arielraya5979 it's the most important game of my childhood
It's revolting to know the cover is more known than the original song. However since Steven Universe aired on TV and not online, it's also understandable that it would. I still love both of those franchises so dearly after so long.
i thought this was from somebody famous with like thousands of subs 😭😭😭😭 good work man
BUT THE THUMBNAILS!! *chefs kiss*
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE ITS LITERALLY SO COOL😭
WHY THE HELL YOU'RE NOT FAMOUS YOU HAVE GOOD EDITING AND OTHER THINGS PERFECT FOR BEIGN FAMOUS
Thank you for the kind words!
Oh, nice it’s the Splatoon 3 card battle theme.
This video's BGM is entirely from Splatoon 3 :)
i genuinely misread this as Spamton 3. Kaard i'm so underbrained
@@Envy_May Ah, yes. Spamton 3. One of my top 3 games of all time.
@@Mariko_8 Didn’t notice. Mainly because I had the volume low and without headphones.
UNDERSWAP UNDYNE PFP!?!?!?!?!?
I genuinely had to take a month break from undertale cause i couldn't bring myself to erase the pacifist 😭
If not for Undertale, I might've never got to know about Touhou.
Can't imagine Toby, as a fellow Touhou fan, be saddened by it.
This Video was neat I’m going to subscribe. I’ve played Undertale so many times I’ve played Pacifist and Genocide 100 something times each this game is a comfort game for me I like to replay it every once in a while and it’s not very long. I kind of ignored the whole message I guess cause never left this game behind at all and I am really excited for Deltarune I’m enjoying it more than Undertale so far.
When i saw this i thought this was from a popular channel, you deserve so much, your editing style is amazing!
This is legit underrated content and video to talk about this year
i just read the tile and said WHAT!? while i grinding my outher game listening to the undertale the musical
Get this man to a hundred- no, a THOUSAND subs now! Amazing job man! Keep it up ❤
Thank you! :D
thanks for crediting the art.
1:38 I lost my shit when story of undertale showed up lmaooo
I miss Undertale so much, besides the fans ofc
Keep up the good work
bro, I hope your channel can develop and become more well-known :)
this has to blow up. you need more subs. i am manifesting
@@astraadams1692 ooo thank you!
dude this thumbnail is so good 😭 did u make it urself?
@@Tswing the art is credited in the description. The link is inactive for now, because this is a new channel.
@@Mariko_8 alr thanks! good luck with future vids
One time I saw a toriel cosplayer and took a pic with her but the problem for me was that there was no omori cosplays :
It does feel like I'm part of something cool when a piece of media I enjoy doesn't get much attention. Even when inevitably, it is fortunate enough to get a notable enough following. I should know; on Steam alone, I've found a handful of games that either nobody or next to nobody talks about.
Dude, only 3 videos and you've amassed 300+ subs? Yeah, you're gonna get popular, keep it up.
2:24 Okay. =P
bro out here blowing up over-night lol.
I'm flabbergasted
2:57 CAMMY REFERANCE WOOOOOOOO
He inspired me to make this video :)
Completing a true pacifist run + completely incinerating your pc to smithereens so that nothing and nobody in a million years will ever hit that reset button = best ending 😊
Jerma, UT/DR and Tumblr, the strange-ass trifecta/venn diagram of internet culture.
Lore of Why Toby Fox Wanted Undertale To Fail momentum 100
@@sahilhossain8204 wdym
-8 billion download
Toby: damn
Toby purposely made the sprites bad, I’ve seen an unused sprite of papyrus that was actually really good, there was also other sprites that were also very good too, but Toby’s reason why he didn’t use it was because it wasn’t crappy enough.
For first, omg, I love your editing style and kind of speaking. Feels like Im watching matpat or someone like that lol. and for second, I think that undertale and the fandom has expierned the same exact thing (or no, idk tbh)
I love the game for 2-3 years and can't stop playing and then move on more to fandom, then au's etc etc... altho some people (like you) mix those things and keep playing while doing further steps onto our creations
sorry for this long comment I can't simplify things when it comes to undertale
@@Karmaka1 I think my "kind of speaking" is called "heavy Russian accent" 😅
@@Mariko_8 loollll (Im Polish so I also have a diffrent accent, SO MAYBE WE HAVE A MATCHINGGG💅✨)
Great vid bro🔥
Keep it up 💪
He seems like he’s not against continuing using the world of Undertale as is evident with the Smash Bros skin the first bit of Deltarune and the remix track he made with the creator of Touhou Project
I think while he is open to exploring it it was always made to be a stand alone game and instead of milking the franchise for cash like other Indie Games he wanted to do other things then continue to make a Game that he has stated had a lot of stuff from other Games put into it like Touhou
Even when he met the creator of Earthbound he said to Toby that he should make Undertale 2 instead of helping him make Mother 4 which is something that he clearly refused
This is all speculation so take what I say with a grain of salt
Here before this blows up
бро, зис вид ис фаэр. Гуд джоб, кип зэм каминг
@@lamtee7739 сэнкс
always three steps ahead of the players
thats why undertale is the best meta game
True!
@@Mariko_8 the best of undertale imo is actually the meta stuff,which is why i think it would be very hard for deltarune to surpass it,because META are like one time nukes,one you have seen it,you dont get excited by the same trick again
but maybe instead of META,it could go another way,who knows what will happen thr
I thought you were a person with a bunch of subs like 125k or highler but only 265? Wow, you have good editing
@@tizzypop3383 thank you!
@@Mariko_8 Your welcome!
W small creator bro
@@Medium_Xande thank you!
Jerma outta fucking nowhere
woah you do not have alot of subscribers this video is fire please go on keep making videos
God bless you🙏
@@stabbed1 aw thanks!
how do you not have thousands of subs? crazy how luck-based youtube is
1:38
... Of course.
I fell from the light
IS THAT A MOTHER####### JOJO REFRENCE?!?!!? JOJOOO 1:43
@@Hunter-qn8ok yes it is
Underrated.
Очень круто сделано, ждём новых видео)
Удачи!
@@yetdark спасибо!
undertale hasnt been spoiled for me yet should i play it
@@SDNzombie definitely! For me, it's one of the greatest games ever. Great characters, story, music and humor.
try undertale yellow , the fan prequel that doesnt feel fanmade
@@zackjaeger I've played it and talked about it in my previous video. It's really good, I agree!
okay sans is cool and all but have anyone even tried to talk about alphys? yeah that useless charact-
Oh you mean that one useless charact-
Oh...you mean....one of my favourite characters...? Oh wait-- ;-; ok...
HI!!!
I love toby fox, and i love undertale
44 viewes?? Cmon this isnt bad editing or something, why is it as popular as my sh*tty channel??
(not in subs but in viewes)
It's hard to be a new channel on UA-cam 😅
@Mariko_8 yeah but the question is... HOW DO MY VIDEOS GET MORE VIEWES??? THIS IS MUCH BETTER QUALITY. I guess youtube is just weird ( or maybe theories are a bit more popular )
well,well,well guess who is your 300th sub ? ITS ME!!!
@@朱小熙 yappieeee!
@@Mariko_8 yippeeeeee
Very cool video (also thank you for russian subtitles)
и очень красивая превьюшка кстати
Всегда пожалуйста :)
Oh.....boy....😭
Love your content❤
Nice video, you know who made that animation though??
Which one?
@@Mariko_8near 1:10
@@j4mi_ sorry, I forgot to credit that, it's called "The Choice: Undertale All Bosses Animation"
@@Mariko_8 Thanks 🙏
184 SUBS??? THIS IS PEAK I DO NOT DESERVE TO HAVE MORE SUBS THAN YOU I HOPE YOU BLOW UP DUDE
@@the_chill_man wow, thank you!
я в начале видео не понял это русский или английский, но в целом видео хорошее
Рад, что земляки тоже смотрят мои видео)
Oh new videooo (◕‿◕✿)
Yur Computer is broken
wdym
at the Moment as i Look this video a india scamer called to me
@@GeiloHD-ox3hl sorry it was me I forgot to sing the Wrong Number Song
@@Mariko_8 😃😃😂😂
before i watch the whole video, he didn't want it to "fail," he just didn't want it to get a lot of attention, because that would inturn mean the creator would get a lot of attention, and not a lot of people want that.
I used to be an Undertale fan but I got over it due to the fact that the Undertale fandom was awful.
@@theepic1944 sad to hear that...
Would of been cool if we got to see a whole damn interview of toby explaining EVERY piece of the fandom he hates, comics, memes, animations, anime videos, fangames, ect.
Would be funny and cool at the same time.
@@YourAgentDoge he's too wholesome for that
@@Mariko_8 fr, still would be cool to see though lol
Man I prefer the story of DELTARUNE, but it isn't as loved as Undertale
I'm sure that the full game is gonna be full of awesome moments
It's also the passion project of Toby Fox
Pretty sure he made Undertale only to prove that he can make a game, and then started working on Deltarune
it's still young, give it time (besides, its doing alright on its own)
@@extremempsilvamps5851yep! he wanted to make deltarune since he had a fever dream of its ending in 2011, the song in its ost "april 2012" i think is when he started conceptualizing it and the characters. he made undertale to prove to himself that he could make a game of that level so he could start working on deltarune
Crazy
🔥
Акцент слышен :)
@@SR2005 я не скрываю)