A 620 isn't overkill for anybody with arms. It's a great mid sized saw. I don't know why anyone would use anything smaller if they aren't in a tree. Who cuts up 1" branches all day? You stack the crown in a pile and burn it.
@@paulsouders3489 I’m buying the cs 590 just to cut twigs in my backyard as well and usually my stihl Ms251 with modded muffler is more than enough but I’m also getting the stihl ms170/180 which is really what I need lol.
My Echo journey started with a CS400 from home depot, had a new property with many trees to deal with.... After seven years, learning to climb, and working professional tree industry stuff, with other saws.. I still run my 400, in addition to a 2511t, 355t, 600p, then recently I found and rebuilt a 800p.. All amazing machines, for price and ease of use.... Echo should not be overlooked..
Thanks for making the video. I have several echo saws now in the mix with my Sthil saws for my tree service . I got a cs490 at a garage sale and have tortured it for about 4 years and it still going so I bought a cs590 Timberwolf and it’s great. I didn’t realize I could buy a better/ pro version of the two but now I will be as soon as I can find them. I did buy a cs310 for the wife . I found out about the cs3510 a few hours later and went back and exchanged it. It’s a great little saw and hell I borrowed it for a few days when my shoulder was acting up. I then went and bought a 355t ,2511t and a pole saw to replace some worn out Sthils. I’m really liking the echo products so far!
Six months ago I thought Echo was a cheap copy, until a dealer said they were the best they sell. I tried the cs 490 and absolutely fell in love with it! Then I bought the little light weight five pound 2511 top handle and wondered if I should have bought the harder to find rear handle model instead, so I bought a rear handle also to compare. Of course I'll keep them both but I wonder why the rear handle 2511 isn't the more popular one as I like it a bit better. Then I went in the other direction and bought Echo's biggest, the 7310 and was amazed at it's power but the smaller saws are so easy to use I will save big boy for jobs where it will be needed. I then figured I had a small gap in my sizes so after a little research I orderd the 3510 which I will get this week. I'm not even in the cutting business, I just own twenty acres in the country and love to clear dead trees!!
This was the most helpful video I came across. Decided to go with the 590 to replace my much over-used CS310. The 590 went through a 22" willow so smoothly! Great demo and explanation, thanks!
My family and I just moved back to our homestead...In need of the best for my money...I've watched like 10 times..lol..my favorite echo chainsaw comparisons!!!!!.GREAT VIDEO!!!
Hi, I'm glad I found your channel. I am Turkish and i live in Turkey. Since I don't know English, I write with the help of google translate. Sorry if the sentences are broken. I also have a newly acquired echo cs 4510 es model. However, echo is not such a common brand in my country that I can read user comments. After watching your video, my regret for not buying a 50cc product is over. I think I made a good choice.
@@fabianbencomo171 it allows you to run a good mix ratio of gas to oil. Say 32 to 1. Without worrying about the screen clogging. And with some tuning there is a noticeable power increase
I like the primer bulb on my cs310.Also ,the raised spigot that the fuel cap screws onto keeps dust out of the tank.A well designed saw with excellent Japanese quality
I bought the CS590 and did a muffler mod and had the plastic limiters removed and tuned. It cuts pretty good, I'm more satisfied with it than the Stihl 271 Farm Boss I purchased before buying the Echo.
Awesome video!! Much appreciated. I actually own the 501 and the 590. Both great saws, 501 being a lightweight powerhouse and the 590...........simply a beast! Not a saw for the novice. Thanks much!!
Awesome video of Echo Models and the comparison of each one. Thanks for sharing and taking the time to educate customers on what's available for purchasing.
I have the echo cs400 and the 500p. I love them. Just had to do muffler mods and remove the factory plastic limiting sleeves on the carb jets Mod the muffler and tune the carb on a 500p and it’s TOTALLY different And in the winter they are VERY cold natured saws (even before I modded them) Using the little plastic flap for winter/summer REALLY helps when it’s below 25 30degree The echo cs400 has a little rubber piece like a plug. Instead of the plastic flap Move it 90degree to the little holder and it’s good to go! GREAT VIDEO!!
Just bought a 590 two days ago. Used it to cut some 22" rounds with a 24" bar. Starts, runs, and cuts like a mofo, love it @ a less cost of the the others. Great bucking saw!!!! Only problem with the 590,,,,,,cant find them anywhere. My loco dealer told Echo has stopped producing them for the time being because they can't keep up with production. I got lucky and found 1 in a dealer in the middle of nowhere. The key to these, and any saw is to purchase them from a dealer, NOT A BOX STORE!!!!
I'd have liked too seen the 400 and 7310P in this video. I have the 501P as my limbing / small diameter wood saw and the 620P for the big stuff. Excellent torque. The pro versions also have unlimited coils, two piston rings and better carbs as well if I'm not mistaken. The 620P also has a magnesium clutch cover and dual dogs, the 590 is plastic and a single dog.
I have had my cs400 for a little over 4 months. I've run about 3-4 gallons of tru fuel thru it and did muff mod and carb tune after about 1 gal. It pulls the 18" bar like a champ. I keep the chain sharp to help get the most out of it and it starts and performs excellently. It goes thru fuel a bit faster but it seems commensurate with the power gains. It is a bit louder too. Its a nice light weight saw that wont tire you out. I have an old McCulloch 610 and wish it had the ease of starting that the echo has. I would reccomend this saw to anybody that wants a good quality assembled in USA saw. And although not absolutely necessary, I would also recommend doing the muff mod/carb tune to experience all that this saw can offer.
Thanks for this excellent review. It's very helpful. I didn't see you mention one critical difference between the CS-590P and the CS-620P (maybe I missed it). That is that the CS-620P has a magnesium clutch cover instead of the plastic cover of the CS-590P. For me, that's a big difference. And one nit-picking note: You mentioned that you were going to take the 20" bar and chain from the 590 and put it on the 620 so you would have an exact comparison but then you said you put an 18" bar and chain on the 620. Maybe you just misspoke. No big deal at all. I just thought I'd mention it. Thanks again.
I bought a CS620P and this thing is a monster. It eats more wood than the town's lady. All jokes aside, this saw is a beast. I use for everything but overhead cuts. The one thing I'd prefer they had is an easier and quicker access to removing the spark plug. As it stands, you need your torx 27 to unscrew the 3 bolts holding the cover on. But if you're accessing the sparkplug in the woods, something ain't right so it's really not a big deal. Honestly, if you have the money and the strength, get the 620p, no hesitation, you'll be ripping all day with a woody!
@@RunninOnCoal62cc isn't even that big of a saw. I wouldn't consider much smaller for general purpose work tbh. I have a 58cc and a 71cc saw and I generally reach for my 71cc for ground work, unless its in my mill. For firewood and felling, unless you're a smaller woman, there's really no reason to go any smaller than 60cc -- you're just making it harder on yourself. The less time you spend cutting the easier it is on your body. The smaller saws are nice for construction projects and fence posts, etc, but not for any serious cutting.
These are all excellent saws, I own the 490,the 620 and the 7310. People are selling an upgrade for the air cleaner for the 49 and 501 because your air cleaner is allowing small finds by into the carb. other than that I love echo products.
I love my Shindaiwa 501SX too (identical except red). Apart from the nice build quality and way best weight compared with the equivalent Stihl and Huskie pro 50cc's, I love how it just digs in, strong torque. Nice and nimble to handle too. Good job Yamabiko.
my Echo CS352 (14") wet is 11 lb 10 oz, Echo CS355T (12") wet is 10 lb 6 oz. The 352 seems to have bit more power, but is newer. The 355T top handle is more enjoyable to use.
I have the 620p and a cs400. The 400 is a reliable beast and it is a light saw. My favorite is definitely the 620 but I use the 400 most of the time. I recently did the muffler mod on the 400 and tuned it. It's even better then new and it's at least a decade old chewing through Eucalyptus its whole life.
@@jeremynelson8496 Thanks for the reply! The 400 is what I call an old man saw. When you have nothing to be macho about, but just need to get the work done.
I would like to add that the new saws Echo make are really easy to work on. I can pull a carb off the 620 in 2 minutes. I can put it back on in about the same time. Be careful with the screws, snug is enough! Tight will strip them out unless you are screwing into a metal part of the saw. The 4510 is now on my hunt list. That saw looks and sounds smooth.
Yeah I have been really impressed with the 4510. When we launched it, we got a poorly tuned, dull chain, so it showed really badly. But this one, I was extremely impressed with.
Very happy with my 590. I did a simple muffler mod, adjusted the carb, switched to a Stihl full chisel chain and it cuts like a banshee. These 590's tend to run on the rich side from the factory.
I had Iowa Performance Saws do a muffler mod & tune on my CS590, I haven't tried the Stihl chain on it yet though. I was under the impression that Stihl 20" chains wouldn't fit, can you just buy a 20" Stihl chain and it fit correctly or do you order the chain by the number of links?
@@Gzussss I bought a Stihl bar and 33rs Stihl chain and it cuts awesome. If you use the Echo bar you have to remove 2 links for the Stihl chain to fit and work properly
Like Makitas this is a straight commercial grade saw line that aint have fill saws like home, farm etc which increases costs of saws for that maker. When i visit Makita, Echo, Zenoah they are all one grade saws which makes it easy to not waste time in shop comparing with others. It keeps dealer showroom less cluttered too
I just ordered a CS-4910. Is that saw a rebranded 501P for the most part ? Also, how does the 4910 do in the handle vibration department. I noticed you commented on the 490 being not the best.. Thanks.
Sir, I noticed you have black bar on your C S5 90 Timberwolf I’m looking for one and I live in Tennessee. I cannot locate one on the Internet the ones that I found on the Internet and the description say maybe shipped to you in silver or black and I always get silver and send them back. Do you know where I could purchase one?
They don't make saws with black bars any more. They switched to silver about 4 years ago. But there's still a lot of black bars out there! Call a dealer.
Un-corking the muffler and pulling the fuel screw limiters really woke up my CS-490 but IMO is still a bit lacking versus 'pro' level 50cc saws. Torquey but not a high revver.
Dustin, great video! I started with my 310 and love it. I've recently purchased a Timberwolf. I'm curious, can the clutch from the 620 be installed on the 590?
The good thing about echo is lots of places sell them for much less than you advertised I have a ported echo cs400 with. 28” bar and skip tooth chain. Excellent trimming saw Do you want to sell that echo cs501p? I need one
I thought the first two chainsaws you mentioned had a safety chain on them that was a step up or mod to what originally came with them. The 91 CX, if I correctly understood you. Am I incorrect or did I misunderstand what you said, vs what is written below the video? Thanks. Nice video. I have a CS 310 and am looking at possible bar and chain improvements on it. It has a 14 inch bar and the chain is what came on it.
They come with a 91PX chain, which is considered to be a safety chain. I'm not sure what the full chisel number is, but it will improve performance going to that style, vs what comes from factory on them.
If anyone had to choose would it be a cs490 or cs590? I don't have money to buy new and do not want to buy chinese clones. So a local small engine shop has used $130 cs490, $200 cs590, $350 cs680. What would be the best of these for Colorado mountain cutting at 10,000ft?
The engine is built complete in Japan, but I'd have to look at the plastics to see if they're built in Chicago, or Japan as well. Echo only assembles one engine in Chicago, but it's parts are still made in Japan.
490 and 501P cylinders,possibly pistons, are identical to my knowledge. Different coil though, maybe a carb difference haven't checked that or piston yet
I just pulled up the IPL's on both machines, the cylinder, Piston kit and rings, coil and carb all have different part numbers. Cylinder on the 490 doesn't have the decomp valve, 501P does. They may look similar, but they are different.
You didn't add in the 355T, 361P, 7310. It would also be extremely helpful to edit your listing to include the weight of each saw next to their times as weight is an extremely important factor in consideration and given you adid weigh them. Could you by chance get any of the above mentioned saws in this comparison
You don't have the 4910. Was that due to availability? I'm curious to see if it out performs the 501 since the 4510 runs with it. Thanks for the test you did a great job on the video! I know you said you like or at least use the 501 a lot but what saw would you recommend for an all round saw with plenty of power?
The CS-4910 wasn't out yet at the time of this video. Once I get my hands on one, I'll do a video comparison of the CS490, 501P and the 4910. From my understanding the 4910 will be pretty much the same saw as the 501P, just with a few plastic items on it, like the wrap handle. Other than that, I think internally, they will be the same. If this is the case, I would get the 4910.
@@echocanadawestern644 Oh okay thanks for the reply. I just noticed that the 4510 was 1 second behind the 501p and a little less expensive. I'm not going into the tree business but would like the capacity and speed of a larger saw but be able to use it on a ladder or in a tree. There's no one size fits all but most would be a good start. Been thinking 620pw maybe.
Could you please send a more detailed cut performance video of the Echo cs 4510es? I am stuck between stıhl ms250 and echo cs 4510es, which one do you think I should choose.
The MS250 is a great saw as well. But I would still pick the CS4510. If you just look at warranty alone, 5 years on the Echo, and only 1 year on the Stihl. Or if you're commercial operator, 1 year on the Echo, and only 90 days on the Stihl. I can't speak on pricing, as I don't know where you are. But everything else is quite comparable.
hi sir good evening I need like that but made in Japan or Germany please the biggest and long for cutting woods..thank you and I'm waiting for your reply..😀😊
A lot! Very different saws. The 400 has the smaller chain, so it will seem to cut a bit quicker in small wood, but will struggle in the larger wood, where the CS4510 has the next size up of chain, so it will handle larger wood better, as well stay sharp a lot longer, in equal conditions. If you go to Echo's website, you can compare them side by side for specs, but to simplify it, Echo has 3 size classes of saws, small wood, medium wood, and large wood saws. The CS400 is the largest of the "Small wood" saws, and the CS4510 is the smallest of the "Medium wood" saws. Sorry for the long winded answer though, I hope I assisted and didn't make things more confusing!
@@echocanadawestern644 That does answer my question perfectly. If I would have known that sooner I would have probably grabbed a 4510. But I ended up going with a Stihl MS261
Then there's either something wrong with the saw (carb adjustment, spark plug, air filter, fuel filter), or fuel, or starting method. I've never had difficulty unless I have bad fuel with any of our products out of the box. But even fuel from the wrong season can cause starting issues.
It's brand new out of the box and I'm using brand new ethanol free premium gas and Echo's 2 stroke oil. I've come to the conclusion it fluids its self after I shut it off for any long amount of time. After I let it sit for a half hour the spark plug is wet with gas. If it's the Carb it's not idling to high and when its running it's not dying while idling. Every saw I have ever used started just fine with the drop pull start method. My foot is to big for manufactured recommend start by setting it down and putting your foot in the handle.
@@briangroth7183 To me it sounds like starting method. If you say fuel is good, saw is new, saw runs good when it's running, then you've just checked all the boxes that there's nothing really wrong with the saw. I am working on a starting procedure video in the next couple weeks. But in the meantime, pay really close attention to when you're choking and starting. You may be missing the kick (when the engine kicks over and dies). If you pull it even once more after it kicks, it floods. Drop starting is hard to notice the kick, so try and pull it twice with the choke on, then turn it off, keep it on high idle, and pull it again. All new saws, and any 2 stroke equipment flood quite quickly when they are being started. Could just take some getting used to, and make an adjustment to your method.
I have 5 Echo saws a 370 with 18 inch bar a 400 that’s dead a tree got it a cs 530 18 inch bar then we move up to the cs 600p 24 inch bar then comes my cs 620p 28 inch bar that saws a best.
Hey Dustin! I ordered a CS-3510 May 31st in AB. What is the deal? When are CS-3510 coming to Canada? Was told 1 week. Now they are telling me who knows. Should I go buy a different chainsaw? Please do not make me buy another chainsaw!
Hey, right now our ETA in Canada on these is July 27th to arrive from Echo Inc. I do however have the demo I used in this video, which is virtually new! I could arrange to get it to you, if you are interested!
The new saws that we saw last, and this year, are the CS-7310P, CS-4910, and the CS-2511P. I'll be trying to get my hands on those to do some comparisons as well.
I don’t see a point in getting anything less than a 45-50 cc saw. It light enough to carry around and u can limb or cut a big 20 inch log if need be. No need to have a super small saw cuz u will struggle with bigger pieces or have to get a different saw. The 50 can just handle everything and only use 1 saw for the job.
What's disturbing is ...if that was bothering u so much...when everyone knows he knows exactly what he is doing and just because the chain was a little slack is NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.....so yea your comment is disturbing..lol..what he was cutting was no chance of any danger happening so calm down bud..it was just a info vid of the specs of saws
@@kellyjoyner4912 hello troll. That comment tells me you have never touched a saw in your life. A lose chain will not only damage the saw but can come off the bar amusing serious injury. Doesn't matter what you are cutting.
@@Rickster8800 yea ok boss whatever u say..I only have 9 chainsaws...and 2 commercial pole saws...been cutting trees for 21 years now if u must know..I am sure I cut more trees down this past weekend than u have your entire life..so why don't u stick with ur office job and let the real men handle chainsaw talk and work ...lol
I just bought my first saw ,cs-400 .I absolutely love it ! It starts with 1 or 2 pulls .with the 18 inch bar I can't cut large wood but I was able to tackle medium logs without much difficulty. It cuts thru small wood with ease .alot of people love stihl but I swear by echo
Perfect fit for my Echo CS-370, and the chain cuts very well ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBd8qUztQUCL8Rm1-aIig5ViBT2E_kO_6 . I had been using a Stihl chain that I had sharpened several times (sometimes at a shop, sometimes with my own electric chain sharpener), and there's no comparison -- the new chain cuts much better and holds its edge longer. We'll see how the new chain holds up when it needs sharpening, but for now I'm happy.
I'm that guy that can't help but get the most oversized, overkill, powerful saw I'll never actually need. And I'll love it.
A 620 isn't overkill for anybody with arms. It's a great mid sized saw. I don't know why anyone would use anything smaller if they aren't in a tree. Who cuts up 1" branches all day? You stack the crown in a pile and burn it.
@@RunninOnCoal I would have no problem running one all day. I'm a big guy and I work for a living lol
@@High_Desert_Tanner go pick one up! I doubt you'll regret it. It's the time of year when saws are getting more scarce, at least where I am.
I going to get the 620p to cut Twigs in my backyard lol
@@paulsouders3489 I’m buying the cs 590 just to cut twigs in my backyard as well and usually my stihl Ms251 with modded muffler is more than enough but I’m also getting the stihl ms170/180 which is really what I need lol.
My Echo journey started with a CS400 from home depot, had a new property with many trees to deal with.... After seven years, learning to climb, and working professional tree industry stuff, with other saws.. I still run my 400, in addition to a 2511t, 355t, 600p, then recently I found and rebuilt a 800p.. All amazing machines, for price and ease of use.... Echo should not be overlooked..
Thanks for making the video. I have several echo saws now in the mix with my Sthil saws for my tree service . I got a cs490 at a garage sale and have tortured it for about 4 years and it still going so I bought a cs590 Timberwolf and it’s great. I didn’t realize I could buy a better/ pro version of the two but now I will be as soon as I can find them. I did buy a cs310 for the wife . I found out about the cs3510 a few hours later and went back and exchanged it. It’s a great little saw and hell I borrowed it for a few days when my shoulder was acting up. I then went and bought a 355t ,2511t and a pole saw to replace some worn out Sthils. I’m really liking the echo products so far!
I just bought the Wolf 590 and it's a beast! No problems with large rounds.
Six months ago I thought Echo was a cheap copy, until a dealer said they were the best they sell. I tried the cs 490 and absolutely fell in love with it! Then I bought the little light weight five pound 2511 top handle and wondered if I should have bought the harder to find rear handle model instead, so I bought a rear handle also to compare. Of course I'll keep them both but I wonder why the rear handle 2511 isn't the more popular one as I like it a bit better. Then I went in the other direction and bought Echo's biggest, the 7310 and was amazed at it's power but the smaller saws are so easy to use I will save big boy for jobs where it will be needed. I then figured I had a small gap in my sizes so after a little research I orderd the 3510 which I will get this week. I'm not even in the cutting business, I just own twenty acres in the country and love to clear dead trees!!
I have the 490 as well. No issues
love my 2511p
This was the most helpful video I came across. Decided to go with the 590 to replace my much over-used CS310. The 590 went through a 22" willow so smoothly! Great demo and explanation, thanks!
My family and I just moved back to our homestead...In need of the best for my money...I've watched like 10 times..lol..my favorite echo chainsaw comparisons!!!!!.GREAT VIDEO!!!
Thanks for the awesome feedback!
Hi, I'm glad I found your channel. I am Turkish and i live in Turkey. Since I don't know English, I write with the help of google translate. Sorry if the sentences are broken. I also have a newly acquired echo cs 4510 es model. However, echo is not such a common brand in my country that I can read user comments. After watching your video, my regret for not buying a 50cc product is over. I think I made a good choice.
Timberwolf was my first real saw after owning cheap Poulans. I've had it for 3 years now and it still runs like a beast
First thing i do to echos is take the screen out of the muffler. Then adjust the high side
@@ozarkprepper1718
Why u do it ? Is that an advantage for faster cutting
I own 1 too
Thanks 👍
@@fabianbencomo171 it allows you to run a good mix ratio of gas to oil. Say 32 to 1. Without worrying about the screen clogging. And with some tuning there is a noticeable power increase
@@ozarkprepper1718 so I just take it out and make the adjustment
@@fabianbencomo171 I took mine out then ran it in some wood. Then i gave the high side a little more fuel until it screamed just right.
I like the primer bulb on my cs310.Also ,the raised spigot that the fuel cap screws onto keeps dust out of the tank.A well designed saw with excellent Japanese quality
I bought the CS590 and did a muffler mod and had the plastic limiters removed and tuned. It cuts pretty good, I'm more satisfied with it than the Stihl 271 Farm Boss I purchased before buying the Echo.
Awesome video!! Much appreciated. I actually own the 501 and the 590. Both great saws, 501 being a lightweight powerhouse and the 590...........simply a beast! Not a saw for the novice. Thanks much!!
Awesome video of Echo Models and the comparison of each one. Thanks for sharing and taking the time to educate customers on what's available for purchasing.
I've had a CS-590 for a few years and use it to manage a couple wooded acres. It's been a great saw for that. I'd buy it again.
I have the echo cs400 and the 500p. I love them. Just had to do muffler mods and remove the factory plastic limiting sleeves on the carb jets
Mod the muffler and tune the carb on a 500p and it’s TOTALLY different
And in the winter they are VERY cold natured saws (even before I modded them) Using the little plastic flap for winter/summer REALLY helps when it’s below 25 30degree
The echo cs400 has a little rubber piece like a plug. Instead of the plastic flap
Move it 90degree to the little holder and it’s good to go!
GREAT VIDEO!!
That 4510 is pretty amazing, it's 2 seconds faster than 490 and almost same time as 501
Just bought a 590 two days ago. Used it to cut some 22" rounds with a 24" bar. Starts, runs, and cuts like a mofo, love it @ a less cost of the the others. Great bucking saw!!!!
Only problem with the 590,,,,,,cant find them anywhere. My loco dealer told Echo has stopped producing them for the time being because they can't keep up with production.
I got lucky and found 1 in a dealer in the middle of nowhere.
The key to these, and any saw is to purchase them from a dealer, NOT A BOX STORE!!!!
HI, do you consider Home Depot a box store? I'm not familiar with the lingo.
@@Gzussss yes
@@Guns_N_Gears Sadly the closest dealer is 7h away. I think I'll settle with homedepot
I'd have liked too seen the 400 and 7310P in this video. I have the 501P as my limbing / small diameter wood saw and the 620P for the big stuff. Excellent torque. The pro versions also have unlimited coils, two piston rings and better carbs as well if I'm not mistaken. The 620P also has a magnesium clutch cover and dual dogs, the 590 is plastic and a single dog.
I have had my cs400 for a little over 4 months. I've run about 3-4 gallons of tru fuel thru it and did muff mod and carb tune after about 1 gal. It pulls the 18" bar like a champ. I keep the chain sharp to help get the most out of it and it starts and performs excellently.
It goes thru fuel a bit faster but it seems commensurate with the power gains. It is a bit louder too.
Its a nice light weight saw that wont tire you out.
I have an old McCulloch 610 and wish it had the ease of starting that the echo has.
I would reccomend this saw to anybody that wants a good quality assembled in USA saw. And although not absolutely necessary, I would also recommend doing the muff mod/carb tune to experience all that this saw can offer.
Thanks for this excellent review. It's very helpful. I didn't see you mention one critical difference between the CS-590P and the CS-620P (maybe I missed it). That is that the CS-620P has a magnesium clutch cover instead of the plastic cover of the CS-590P. For me, that's a big difference. And one nit-picking note: You mentioned that you were going to take the 20" bar and chain from the 590 and put it on the 620 so you would have an exact comparison but then you said you put an 18" bar and chain on the 620. Maybe you just misspoke. No big deal at all. I just thought I'd mention it. Thanks again.
Best echo saw comparison on youtube. Now I want to see the new 7310sx vs the 800p
Wow! Thank you so much! I really appreciate the comments.
After watching your video,I decided to go with a slightly used Poulan Wild Thing.Thanks for the video.
I bought a CS620P and this thing is a monster. It eats more wood than the town's lady.
All jokes aside, this saw is a beast. I use for everything but overhead cuts.
The one thing I'd prefer they had is an easier and quicker access to removing the spark plug. As it stands, you need your torx 27 to unscrew the 3 bolts holding the cover on. But if you're accessing the sparkplug in the woods, something ain't right so it's really not a big deal.
Honestly, if you have the money and the strength, get the 620p, no hesitation, you'll be ripping all day with a woody!
I'm a smaller guy, but if you can't run a 620.... it's great saw.
@@RunninOnCoal62cc isn't even that big of a saw. I wouldn't consider much smaller for general purpose work tbh. I have a 58cc and a 71cc saw and I generally reach for my 71cc for ground work, unless its in my mill. For firewood and felling, unless you're a smaller woman, there's really no reason to go any smaller than 60cc -- you're just making it harder on yourself. The less time you spend cutting the easier it is on your body.
The smaller saws are nice for construction projects and fence posts, etc, but not for any serious cutting.
Great video thanks! I'm looking to downsize from my Stihl MS362 and with research was leaning toward the CS 501-P, now its guaranteed, thanks again!
I had a MS362 and now have a 490 and 501P. You will not be disappointed.
@@dginta7932 Thanks, and I have not been, great saw!
Yes I have had this 501P for almost a year now.. EXACTLY the saw I was looking for to replace my MS362.
@@scottbraun8950 did you remove the limiters and muffler mod it? :)
@@dginta7932 Nope, with a 5 year warrantee I'm running it box stock and it works fine that way.
620P had a bigger carburetor than the 590. Also the the 620P had an unlimited coil and the 590 has a limited coil, difference is about 700 rpm.
These are all excellent saws, I own the 490,the 620 and the 7310. People are selling an upgrade for the air cleaner for the 49 and 501 because your air cleaner is allowing small finds by into the carb. other than that I love echo products.
Cs620 is the best 60 cc saw for the money and maybe the best period. Mine has a 24 inch bar and is awsome.
I loved your video. I'm a big Echo fan. I have the 2511T which is my fave. I also have the 501P which I've never used.
Nice video, this clears up a lot of the echo lineup 👍
I love my Shindaiwa 501SX too (identical except red). Apart from the nice build quality and way best weight compared with the equivalent Stihl and Huskie pro 50cc's, I love how it just digs in, strong torque. Nice and nimble to handle too. Good job Yamabiko.
I have a cs-4200 15+years old still going strong
my Echo CS352 (14") wet is 11 lb 10 oz, Echo CS355T (12") wet is 10 lb 6 oz. The 352 seems to have bit more power, but is newer. The 355T top handle is more enjoyable to use.
Love my 310 when warmed up, it’s a little beast
I will always choose echo
I own cs 310 16" , cs 590 24" & shindawia 492 18-20". The 492 I use the most but love the 590.
Great video! Thank you for explaining the differences between the XP and non-XP saws.
Great video I have an echo 620pw like it so much that I want to get another echo saw either the 310 or 400 thanks for the info very helpfull.
I have the 400 and I love it. I have a stihl and a Husqvarna, but I grab the echo most of the time. It's light and it cuts 90% of what I need to cut.
I have the 620p and a cs400. The 400 is a reliable beast and it is a light saw. My favorite is definitely the 620 but I use the 400 most of the time. I recently did the muffler mod on the 400 and tuned it. It's even better then new and it's at least a decade old chewing through Eucalyptus its whole life.
@@jeremynelson8496 Thanks for the reply! The 400 is what I call an old man saw. When you have nothing to be macho about, but just need to get the work done.
I need the 501p and 7310 to finish my lineup
I would like to add that the new saws Echo make are really easy to work on. I can pull a carb off the 620 in 2 minutes. I can put it back on in about the same time. Be careful with the screws, snug is enough! Tight will strip them out unless you are screwing into a metal part of the saw. The 4510 is now on my hunt list. That saw looks and sounds smooth.
Yeah I have been really impressed with the 4510. When we launched it, we got a poorly tuned, dull chain, so it showed really badly. But this one, I was extremely impressed with.
great vid. didnt need to rush it for me. would have loved more detail. best line up vid as is though
What an educational video. Thanks so much. 👍
I've got an echo cs 305,346,2 cs 400s and a 590 timberwolf. Don't need that many but I love all my echos😁
Very happy with my 590. I did a simple muffler mod, adjusted the carb, switched to a Stihl full chisel chain and it cuts like a banshee. These 590's tend to run on the rich side from the factory.
I had Iowa Performance Saws do a muffler mod & tune on my CS590, I haven't tried the Stihl chain on it yet though. I was under the impression that Stihl 20" chains wouldn't fit, can you just buy a 20" Stihl chain and it fit correctly or do you order the chain by the number of links?
@@dentondunn4346 Hey man, did you ever find out?
@@Gzussss I bought a Stihl bar and 33rs Stihl chain and it cuts awesome. If you use the Echo bar you have to remove 2 links for the Stihl chain to fit and work properly
Like Makitas this is a straight commercial grade saw line that aint have fill saws like home, farm etc which increases costs of saws for that maker. When i visit Makita, Echo, Zenoah they are all one grade saws which makes it easy to not waste time in shop comparing with others. It keeps dealer showroom less cluttered too
If you plan on buying the Timberwolf just spend a couple hundred more for the 7310p. It’s totally worth it
Hi, is there a noticeable performance difference between 490 vs 501P? Interesting that the 4510 just need 14 sec.Thx
just picked up a 4510 and its a great saw for that cc class.
Good video. I have a CS590 and a CS330T that I am well satisfied with
Good straight forward video.
Great video,I am getting into the fire wood business I have a great source for wood 👍.
I just ordered a CS-4910. Is that saw a rebranded 501P for the most part ? Also, how does the 4910 do in the handle vibration department. I noticed you commented on the 490 being not the best.. Thanks.
Sir, I noticed you have black bar on your C S5 90 Timberwolf I’m looking for one and I live in Tennessee. I cannot locate one on the Internet the ones that I found on the Internet and the description say maybe shipped to you in silver or black and I always get silver and send them back. Do you know where I could purchase one?
They don't make saws with black bars any more. They switched to silver about 4 years ago. But there's still a lot of black bars out there! Call a dealer.
What is the best chain to replace the factory 590 chain with
Un-corking the muffler and pulling the fuel screw limiters really woke up my CS-490 but IMO is still a bit lacking versus 'pro' level 50cc saws. Torquey but not a high revver.
Dustin, great video! I started with my 310 and love it. I've recently purchased a Timberwolf. I'm curious, can the clutch from the 620 be installed on the 590?
Hi Kevin, sorry for not getting back to you for so long. Been really busy this spring! Yes, the CS620P's clutch will fit the CS590, no problem.
Is the oiler on the C's 590 adjustable?
Yes they have a adjustable oiler
I'm doing this kind of backwards... I just bought my 4910 and now I'm watching videos. 😂
I wanted the Timberwolf but ended up getting a cs 490 Runs and cuts great but I pinched the tip of bar .Have by another 20" bar.Other than that,Good
Would a kit be available to convert a regular half wrap handle into a full wrap handle? If so, can it be done easily? Is it bolt-on mod/installation?
The good thing about echo is lots of places sell them for much less than you advertised
I have a ported echo cs400 with. 28” bar and skip tooth chain. Excellent trimming saw
Do you want to sell that echo cs501p? I need one
Did echo not make very many cs-450p? I have one I got a few years ago it was used but I don't think very much i think it's a good running saw for 45cc
I thought the first two chainsaws you mentioned had a safety chain on them that was a step up or mod to what originally came with them. The 91 CX, if I correctly understood you. Am I incorrect or did I misunderstand what you said, vs what is written below the video? Thanks. Nice video. I have a CS 310 and am looking at possible bar and chain improvements on it. It has a 14 inch bar and the chain is what came on it.
They come with a 91PX chain, which is considered to be a safety chain. I'm not sure what the full chisel number is, but it will improve performance going to that style, vs what comes from factory on them.
If anyone had to choose would it be a cs490 or cs590?
I don't have money to buy new and do not want to buy chinese clones. So a local small engine shop has used $130 cs490, $200 cs590, $350 cs680. What would be the best of these for Colorado mountain cutting at 10,000ft?
Outstanding video.
Do you know where the cs310 is built by any chance!? Great video love echo products! 💪🏼
The engine is built complete in Japan, but I'd have to look at the plastics to see if they're built in Chicago, or Japan as well. Echo only assembles one engine in Chicago, but it's parts are still made in Japan.
@@echocanadawestern644 Thank you sir!
Minor mods to a stock a timberwolf will make it cut just as fast if not faster than the 620😉
nice test. great info. thx for posting
Great video, it was very knowledgeable
I have a 660 evl It's 66cc I got in 19 85 I have 20 inch bar I nearly got the twin they did
It’s incredible how easy he start the 60cc saw
490 and 501P cylinders,possibly pistons, are identical to my knowledge. Different coil though, maybe a carb difference haven't checked that or piston yet
I just pulled up the IPL's on both machines, the cylinder, Piston kit and rings, coil and carb all have different part numbers. Cylinder on the 490 doesn't have the decomp valve, 501P does. They may look similar, but they are different.
You didn't add in the 355T, 361P, 7310. It would also be extremely helpful to edit your listing to include the weight of each saw next to their times as weight is an extremely important factor in consideration and given you adid weigh them. Could you by chance get any of the above mentioned saws in this comparison
4510 and 501xp have the same size bar 45;;cut together this wood!!
I was just wondering where the echo cs-400 falls into this category.
You don't have the 4910. Was that due to availability? I'm curious to see if it out performs the 501 since the 4510 runs with it. Thanks for the test you did a great job on the video! I know you said you like or at least use the 501 a lot but what saw would you recommend for an all round saw with plenty of power?
The CS-4910 wasn't out yet at the time of this video. Once I get my hands on one, I'll do a video comparison of the CS490, 501P and the 4910. From my understanding the 4910 will be pretty much the same saw as the 501P, just with a few plastic items on it, like the wrap handle. Other than that, I think internally, they will be the same. If this is the case, I would get the 4910.
@@echocanadawestern644 Oh okay thanks for the reply. I just noticed that the 4510 was 1 second behind the 501p and a little less expensive. I'm not going into the tree business but would like the capacity and speed of a larger saw but be able to use it on a ladder or in a tree. There's no one size fits all but most would be a good start. Been thinking 620pw maybe.
Could you please send a more detailed cut performance video of the Echo cs 4510es? I am stuck between stıhl ms250 and echo cs 4510es, which one do you think I should choose.
The MS250 is a great saw as well. But I would still pick the CS4510. If you just look at warranty alone, 5 years on the Echo, and only 1 year on the Stihl. Or if you're commercial operator, 1 year on the Echo, and only 90 days on the Stihl. I can't speak on pricing, as I don't know where you are. But everything else is quite comparable.
@@echocanadawestern644 thank you for helping
590 with a professional bar
They only thing you end up missing is the metal handle vs the plastic on the 90
hi sir good evening I need like that but made in Japan or Germany please the biggest and long for cutting woods..thank you and I'm waiting for your reply..😀😊
I would like to know what the differences are between the CS-400 and CS-4510
A lot! Very different saws. The 400 has the smaller chain, so it will seem to cut a bit quicker in small wood, but will struggle in the larger wood, where the CS4510 has the next size up of chain, so it will handle larger wood better, as well stay sharp a lot longer, in equal conditions. If you go to Echo's website, you can compare them side by side for specs, but to simplify it, Echo has 3 size classes of saws, small wood, medium wood, and large wood saws. The CS400 is the largest of the "Small wood" saws, and the CS4510 is the smallest of the "Medium wood" saws.
Sorry for the long winded answer though, I hope I assisted and didn't make things more confusing!
@@echocanadawestern644 That does answer my question perfectly. If I would have known that sooner I would have probably grabbed a 4510. But I ended up going with a Stihl MS261
@@TheBradbates All Good! You will be happy with the 261! Great little saw as well! Might not start as good though. ;)
thanks! good video and infos !
I'm struggling to start the C-590 constantly
Then there's either something wrong with the saw (carb adjustment, spark plug, air filter, fuel filter), or fuel, or starting method. I've never had difficulty unless I have bad fuel with any of our products out of the box. But even fuel from the wrong season can cause starting issues.
It's brand new out of the box and I'm using brand new ethanol free premium gas and Echo's 2 stroke oil. I've come to the conclusion it fluids its self after I shut it off for any long amount of time. After I let it sit for a half hour the spark plug is wet with gas. If it's the Carb it's not idling to high and when its running it's not dying while idling. Every saw I have ever used started just fine with the drop pull start method. My foot is to big for manufactured recommend start by setting it down and putting your foot in the handle.
@@briangroth7183 To me it sounds like starting method. If you say fuel is good, saw is new, saw runs good when it's running, then you've just checked all the boxes that there's nothing really wrong with the saw. I am working on a starting procedure video in the next couple weeks. But in the meantime, pay really close attention to when you're choking and starting. You may be missing the kick (when the engine kicks over and dies). If you pull it even once more after it kicks, it floods. Drop starting is hard to notice the kick, so try and pull it twice with the choke on, then turn it off, keep it on high idle, and pull it again. All new saws, and any 2 stroke equipment flood quite quickly when they are being started. Could just take some getting used to, and make an adjustment to your method.
140psi Good compresion 372xp oem?
I have 5 Echo saws a 370 with 18 inch bar a 400 that’s dead a tree got it a cs 530 18 inch bar then we move up to the cs 600p 24 inch bar then comes my cs 620p 28 inch bar that saws a best.
Hey Dustin! I ordered a CS-3510 May 31st in AB. What is the deal? When are CS-3510 coming to Canada? Was told 1 week. Now they are telling me who knows. Should I go buy a different chainsaw? Please do not make me buy another chainsaw!
Hey, right now our ETA in Canada on these is July 27th to arrive from Echo Inc. I do however have the demo I used in this video, which is virtually new! I could arrange to get it to you, if you are interested!
What are the new chainsaw for 2020/2021? Is it just the 2511P?
The new saws that we saw last, and this year, are the CS-7310P, CS-4910, and the CS-2511P. I'll be trying to get my hands on those to do some comparisons as well.
@@echocanadawestern644 Thanks. I bought a CS-3510 actually. Should do the trick!
love my wolf
I don’t see a point in getting anything less than a 45-50 cc saw. It light enough to carry around and u can limb or cut a big 20 inch log if need be. No need to have a super small saw cuz u will struggle with bigger pieces or have to get a different saw. The 50 can just handle everything and only use 1 saw for the job.
Were are they made
All of the Echo saw engines are manufactured completely in Japan, then they are shipped to the states where some have their plastics put on.
Was anyone besides me disturbed at how loose the chain was on the Timberwolf?
What's disturbing is ...if that was bothering u so much...when everyone knows he knows exactly what he is doing and just because the chain was a little slack is NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.....so yea your comment is disturbing..lol..what he was cutting was no chance of any danger happening so calm down bud..it was just a info vid of the specs of saws
@@kellyjoyner4912 hello troll. That comment tells me you have never touched a saw in your life. A lose chain will not only damage the saw but can come off the bar amusing serious injury. Doesn't matter what you are cutting.
@@Rickster8800 yea ok boss whatever u say..I only have 9 chainsaws...and 2 commercial pole saws...been cutting trees for 21 years now if u must know..I am sure I cut more trees down this past weekend than u have your entire life..so why don't u stick with ur office job and let the real men handle chainsaw talk and work ...lol
Excellent comparison but some of your chains looked really slack,, and no ear defenders!
Ill be getting a 2511t a 501p and a 3510 lol
I wish that you had a CS-400 to compare. The 4510 is a bit porky.
I just bought my first saw ,cs-400 .I absolutely love it ! It starts with 1 or 2 pulls .with the 18 inch bar I can't cut large wood but I was able to tackle medium logs without much difficulty. It cuts thru small wood with ease .alot of people love stihl but I swear by echo
Perfect fit for my Echo CS-370, and the chain cuts very well ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBd8qUztQUCL8Rm1-aIig5ViBT2E_kO_6 . I had been using a Stihl chain that I had sharpened several times (sometimes at a shop, sometimes with my own electric chain sharpener), and there's no comparison -- the new chain cuts much better and holds its edge longer. We'll see how the new chain holds up when it needs sharpening, but for now I'm happy.
No eco products took the market by storm.
how much extra ya pay for.......🤔