Imagine how interesting the Night's Watch Story could have been if everyone that was heading there, or considered going there actually went and was there at the same time... Jon Snow, Ned Stark, Arya Stark, Gendry, Jaqen H'ghar, Tyrion Lannister, & Theon Greyjoy.
Percy: Lady Caroline, I touched her, once. Blackadder: You touched her what? Percy: No. I once touched her, in the corridor. Blackadder: I've never heard it called that.
666MIHI Then Ned stark won't have confess to false crime, he would tell everyone the truth, because his not afraid to die. Joannna lannister would be able to protect tyrion abuses from his father and others as well, she would help tyrion become a maester or choose another career, a lot would change tyrion would never kill his own father.
TheBattProductions Question would brandon stark (Ned's older brother) be a better leader then ned or ned be a better lord of the north then his older brother despite he is just a follower type, but his also better commander in the battle to do robert rebellion.
666MIHI Ned would never do such a stupid shit, he wouldn't take his heir nor any of his sons to the capital, he only took the girls, because robert gave his son and heir (fake baratheon).
Very possible! I thought about that as well, but I would have to imagine he'd be more valuable to Jon by his side rather than in the formal Maester role. Sam's much better suited for that I think. :)
What if Tyrion wasn't a dwarf? I imagine his character would be a lot different (as well as his actions), and he would've impacted Westeros differently.
Then she would be shocked and demands ned to send jon to be foster somewhere else. Because she feared he would be a danger to her kids, she loves her kids the most.
If no one suspects a thing:(Catelyn would likely draw suspicion as she is more accepting of Jon this time around) Likely have him be sent to the Daynes instead of the Watch after the Tournament(have distinct targaryen traits, that could hide his parentage and reinforce the myth of the milk maid/Ashara motherhood). Jon would be good brothers with Edric Dayne, being sent there occasionally before reaching adulthood. Likely would be picked up by Oberyn as a squire later at first hating him, due to his supposed father being Ned & renamed Jon Sand(The Sand Digging Wolf). But slowly the Dorne's come to realize he is different and try to groom him for their targaryen resurrection plan.(a stark heir for the North, bastard means nothing to Dornish) He would also likely be the riden like the town's bike by all the sand snakes, and he still knows nothing.
Sam would be dead, Arya would've been killed by Joffrey, Bran would be dead, Catelyn would die trying to defend Bran, Jeor Mormont would die in season 1, Jon Snow would be dead (No one there to help Jon Snow when he fought Tormund, and the other wildlings outside the windmill), Mance would win the battle of Castle Black before Stannis showed up (No Jon Snow to lead the defence of Castle Black). Gendry would be dead because Arya wouldn't be there and say Lommy's corpse was Gendry's. Rickon would be acting Lord of Winterfell when Robb went to war. A war would probably happen sooner though, I don't know how, but Joffrey killing Arya sounds like a pretty big deal. It depends on what Sansa, as witness would've said, maybe the Butcher's boy would witness against Joffrey, but I bet he'd be affraid as fuck
Ximen I don't think Geoffrey would kill Arya, he might seriously injure her, killing her himself would be a very bad idea. But you never know, he might. If he does with both Bran and Arya dead, presumably at the hands of Lannisters their might end up being war between the Starks and Lannisters. Geoffrey's engagement to Sansa would certainly be called off: Ned wouldn't want his daughter to marry the boy who killed/seriously injured Arya. Ned wouldn't become the hand of the king after losing two of his children due to Lannisters. I don't know what would happen to Geoffrey though, Robert might make Tommen first in line to the throne.
Don't forget if Grey Wind weren't there, Lord Umber wouldn't have been Robb's right hand and most of the northern host probably would have gone home. So maybe Robb would live in that scenario
Alternately, Tyrion gets grief from Janos, like you said. Having bigger balls than Janos, he volunteers to go to Eastwatch to patch things up, choosing the least shifty couple of men to go with him. He does his thing, comes back, and Jon tells him "Listen, we've got a big ass White Walker problem, so I'm gonna need you to see if you can smuggle all the Free Folk through Eastwatch and settle them somewhere South. Not too far South, cuz that's Umber Territory. Those hickory-smoked MFs are crazy." And he will. Cuz, come on. It's Tyrion.
I don't think the Lannisters would want peace with Stannis. Arianne is best option, helps smooth over relations with Dorne more, etc. If worst comes to worst, there is probably some Lannister second cousin or something in Lannisport :P.
Funny enough her storyline in the book involves her seducing a knight of the Kings guard Sir Areys Oak heart who Is replaced by Jaime in the series as part of the Mycella plot in Dorne.
I know it bothered him, but in the show (during his conversation that I added into the video) it seems he sent him away due to not being able to trust him. They talk about the bastard stuff, but seems like an afterthought in comparison.
I'm only 6 minutes into the video and I just love this concept! Probably because of the many-worlds theory of parallel realities... either way, great job! I'm stoked that I have a bunch of "what if" GoT vids to catch up on!
The potential wife for Jamie Lannister if this scenario played out. You missed an obvious choice. Samwell Tarlys sister. She's a highborn lady & one of the Tyrells loyalists banner men. It'd be a perfect match to help strengthen the Lannister, Tyrell alliance.
I don't think it would have changed much. Shireen was an adorable little girl. Stannis was a complete monster for burning his own daughter. However, she had essentially 0 impact on the affairs of Westeros. I don't think anything would have changed other than Stannis not being a total monster before he died.
Daniel Stark don't forget Melisandre was exiled from the North because of that. We'll probably need another season to go by to see the bigger picture of Melisandre's impact.
i think the implication was that if she was not burnt, they would all die from starvation. ramsay had burned their food and a blizzard trapped them. they couldnt march back to the wall. thy wouldnt find much sparable food there. they cant march forward. stannis loses his entire army then and there.
What if Mance Rayder bends the knee to Stannis Baratheon? Will the Wildlings still follow him and more importantly would they follow the Mannis? If they did, would the Wildlings + Stannis' forces be enough to defeat Ramsay? Would this change Jon's decision to stay at Castle Black?
The war of five kings does not escalate. Ned keeps his head and the north secededs after a brutal war in the neck. Greyjoy/Bolton situation does not escalate, greyjoys still go independent and stay that way.
Joshua Mitchell would Tommen even have enough believe in himself to arrest Ned and not agree with him because his father trusted him? Dunno Tommen was ridiculously weak as a king.
Alex Rau Then Benjen stark would be regency of the north until lady catelyn's son comes of age atleast until his 20. Jon would be Jon sand as bastard of lord dayne of starfall?
I would think that with Sansa gone, the Lannisters would try to marry Jaime to a Northern girl to try and secure their hold up there. I would think Alys Karstark but she doesn't seem to exist in the show. Honestly the only Northern girl I can think IS there in the show is the Little Bear. Of course that'd be super creepy. Not out of place in the books considering the book even have infant brides but something the show had avoided by aging up characters.
Another possibility for Jaime's bride: Talla Tarly. She's young, she's available, and a marriage alliance with the Tarlys would be a further check on the uneasy Tyrell alliance. Being the daughter of a hard man like Randyll Tarly would also likely be a recommendation for Tywin.
What if the Knights of the Vale don't ride in during the Battle of the Bastards and what if Lord Wyman Manderly, Lord Robett Glover and Lord Cley Cerwyn join the Starks.
WHAT IF the assassination attempt on Joffrey's life by Olenna and Littlefinger failed (because Harry found a bezoar lying around) and Joffrey lived? and WHAT IF Arya never fled to Essos?
I have so many "what if" ideas that some of them are getting really specific, so I don't know if they would work for this. For example: What if Robb and Catelyn learned that Arya wasn't a hostage? (Say she sent out a raven from Harenhaal without Tywin finding out.)
I think you missed an important angle. If Jamie was sent to Casterly Rock there is a big chance that Cersei would be motivated enough to go there too since there is a new queen in town. I know, Cersei is as power-hungry as they come but I do believe she could be swayed by Jamie. Of course she would not be one of those bachelorettes, but it this happens, she would definitively have the chosen bachelorette murdered, making more complicated the relationship between the Lanisters and some other important house, but at least all that drama would be away from KL, away from the crown. When it comes to Denaerys... is Tyrion the one who introduces Varys into her council and also it is the Grayscale what moves Denaerys to forgive Jorah and taking back as her guard. I do believe that, without that Tyrion's deal, Meryn would have fallen into chaos much sooner and thus Graworm and Misandei could have died in the riots or the seige of the masters. I do agree that Tyrion himself would have fit just right in the night's watch, I don't think that the lack of ladies would be an issue there, in fact Tyrion, Jon and Sam are rebels and 2 of them intelectuals, I cannot imagine a better team to rewrite celibacy rules, and many other rules for the better, than those 3. Thanos.. please, he is nothing against that team, Just imagine the reaction of Jon when he learns what he did to the babies at the brothel.
what if during theon's rescue mission by yara went a bit side way,like theon actually ditched the reek personality and went with yara but she was killed by ramsay during their escape leaving theon going home to pyke to confront balon
soyon manlai I feel like he would still kill his father but I also believe his father sleeping with Shae was a big factor in his decision. Anyway since TheBattProductions just did the video on Tyrion going to the wall, I feel like the only major thing to answer is, "What if Tyrion went to Essos and didn't kill Tywin?"
He already video of what if tywin lived. what about other interesting topic like what if robert never bankrupted the realm on parites or what if brandon lived (Ned's older brother)? what if jon and starks kids realized or discover their warg abilities earlier?
Interesting... you're so fun Kevin😉 I'm not good with what ifs so I have nothing to share other than to say I liked listening to yours👍 Loved the pic of you on the throne- King Kevin👑 long may he reign! Speakin'o'Jon/Tyrion, I'm looking forward to the reunion (for lack of a better word) of these 2. They def held a bit of respect towards each other. I'm looking forward to peace and unity between most of the characters this season. Obviously not ALL, i.e. Cersai, but most. *Always* a pleasure Kevin Thanx! btw did I miss your podcast w/ SmokeScreen et al?
Why thank you Cammy :) I'm very much looking forward to Jon and Tyrion for sure. That'd be terrific. We did post Ep 3 of the podcast about 4-5 days ago, and we just recorded this week's podcast. It should be posted a few days from now. I posted the link in the description! :)
Great video, love the Sam impression. I do wonder if Jon would have led the battle of Winterfell if he hadn't died. He was so determined to not get into Westrosi politics before that.
Hi could you do a video on army set up and who would win in a pitch battle I think this could be interesting cause you would take in army size tactics weapons and leaders thank keep it up
6:01 Surely the reason was that he carried out Joffrey's order to murder all of Robert's bastards. Of course, he is sworn to obey the King, but Tyrion has a gentle heart and obviously that didn't sit well with him.
I think Tyrion would become Jon's chief councillor as Lord Commander, but Olly would be his steward. I think he would actively work to strengthen Jon's position at the wall but also try and figure out who was most likely to desert the Night's Watch, because Tyrion (especially in the books) was absolutely furious at his family and wanted revenge. He'd make the most of his time at the Wall but he would be constantly looking for a way out. He would likely try and hatch an escape plan at some point, perhaps years down the line with the intention of going to Dorne, as Oberyn knows his worth and would understand Tyrion's desire for revenge is legit. In the books Oberyn offered Tyrion passage to Dorne if he won the trial by combat. Tyrion wouldn't have lived long with Cersei gunning for him even if proven innocent so it was a good deal he intended to take. However, after Hardhome it's possible Tyrion would consider staying if he thinks he can help defeat the army of the dead, although it's quite possible he would believe himself useless for that particular task and leave anyway. Tyrion may have also been able to convince Jon to send him with Sam to Oldtown where he'd be more useful, and he would have tried to turn that into an opportunity for escape as well. He would know full well that once Cersei got word he was in Oldtown she'd have him killed.
This is such an interesting 'what if.' I did want to touch upon some points though: >Tyrion in Essos I think another big way Tyrion affected Dany's storyline was Jorah. Granted it was because of Tyrion that Jorah contracted the disease, but it was because of Tyrion that Jorah had a reason to come back to Dany. Remember when Jorah got taken in by the slavers? That was because of him being with Tyrion. Jorah was exiled from Mereen. If he had come back w/o Tyrion Dany might have had him killed or jailed forever. Yet, it was also because of Tyrion that Dany spared him his life and exiled him again. So while the disease might be terrible it's one it's a price he paid in order to see Dany again. That's not small, that's pretty huge for Jorah AND Dany as Jorah saved her life during the Harpy massacre at the games. You can also argue that he freed Dany's other 2 dragons so there's that, too. >Tyrion at the Wall While having Tyrion at the Wall would have been a HUGE help to Jon it also would have meant that Jon would not have been freed from his Night's Watch vows. He would have not been able to fight the Boltons to free Winterfell and aid in Sansa's revenge. Nor would he have been declared King in the North. Not having the freedom to do this means he would have been super screwed when trying to ask other lords and King's Landing for help. That means that Jon would have to end up aligning himself with someone, eventually, in order to get anyone to listen to him or to get the help that he needs. If anything I think more people would be upset with him for bringing Wildlings south of the wall. They are upset with him now, but now he's a King so there's nothing they can do about it for now.
With Tyrion there, Jon could send Sam to Oldtown to study to be a Maester, yet still have an intelligent confidante at the wall to bounce ideas off. Also, it would take about two weeks (best case scenario) to get to the Wall, so assuming he is sent straight away after his conviction, so he would probably turn up at The Wall maybe at the exact moment that Jon is beheading Janos. There would also be the interesting scenario of Westeros' Greatest Skeptic being at The Wall at the same time that Melisandre is - and there would be a lot of tension and butting of heads between the two. And would Stannis even like Tyrion? Stannis hates everything-Lannister, of course, so he could try and get Tyrion killed. This in turn would incense Tywin: his son may have taken the Black, but he would not leave an assassination in his family alone. Tywin would march his forces to The Wall. Would Jon even be happy to see Tyrion, as Tyrion was the Hand of the King when Jon kept writing King's Landing, requesting more men, but getting sent nothing. Since he has no bargaining chip (not that it worked in when he did have Tyrion either), Jorah would have no reason to return to Daenerys, and clearly remain in exile. That would make his part in the entire saga DONE. Since Ser Gregor won't be in a trial by combat, he won't die and be resurrected, thus not allowing him to become part of the Kingsguard. This way, Cersei has absolutely none of her own pawns in the game of thrones, making her much less of a threat and a character. Also she would never take over as Queen Regent as she did when Tywin died, which means there will never be the Faith Militant nor the High Sparrow controlling King's Landing. Thus there will never be a walk of shame, nor a means for her to get Margaery or Loras imprisoned. Tywin (and eventually Tommen) would control King's Landing. I don't think you explored this nearly enough as you could have done.
Does taking the Black relinquish wedding vows as well? Because I could only imagine that Tywin wouldn’t want to give up the key to the north, so maybe he would put out a warrant for Sansa, Littlefinger would hear about and Sansa doesn’t end up with the Bolton’s (and more importantly, doesn’t have to endure Ramsay) but rather Casterly Rock?
Really good! The only thing I could think to add is if Tyrion never went to Dany she would have burned cities (because he talked her out of it) upon her return from the Vaes Dothrak.
Tyrion would witness Hardhome! Because Jon went there to make peace with the wildlings, he had no intentions of fighting that day. So he'd bring Tyrion there for some extra intelligence
YES I DID! It was very good live. Seeing Jeff take the dive off of the cage was insane. Hearing Bayley get booed incessantly was sad, but she deserves it right now for how bad she looks.
Have you done this one yet? If he has can someone please tell me where to find it. What if Sansa didn't tell the Lannisters what her father was doing back in season one.
Had it not been for Tyrion, Dany probably would have gone through with her plan to burn down the slave cities. You can say that Tyrion striking a deal with them ultimately led to the attack on Mereen, but I do not see why they would not have attacked anyway. Dany is surrounded by yes men. They all blindly agree with her and follow her. Only on occasion has someone called her out on a bad call due to inexperience.
Tyrion’s intelligence would have been similar to Jaime’s. The reason Tyrion is intelligent as he is that he reads lots of books and literature to cope with his treatment as a dwarf.
Your Old School NWO shirt made me spit coffee on myself laughing today, a flood of funny memories from my childhood. Areo Hotah should've been part of that, I can see him And the mountain in their entrance. Gregor just standing there, larger than Nash or hogan with just his hands in a pyramid. Towering over the others,as they dance to the stage trying to act like him and Areo. As they casually & slowly walk to the stage. Lmfao Samwell "I touched a led once." Lol he Did let Gilly put it on him whilst injured. Did he have time to use a sheepskin? Are we awaiting a tiny Jon2.0...great stuff as Always. Speculative minds flock to the same Channel. Yours. Cheers.
Bit if Jon sends away ser alliser and all his other enemies, he is never killed. Which means he will stay the lord commander and never March on winter fell. However sansa would probably become the lady of winterfell with the knights of the vale and the northern houses.
I really like these what ifs however. I would like it if you could do more knock on domino effects. For example. Jorah only went back to dany because he thought he would make a gift or a lanister. And if jorah didn't come back. Danny would have been assassinated by the sons of the harpy that jorah speared in the original timeline. Dragon wouldn't of shown up in time and rhaegal and viscirion would remain chained below the pyramid cos tyrion wouldn't of suggested to free them so their growth would have been stunted
Jaime could have also married Margaery Tyrell because if you think about it Tyrions trial was set up in between the weddings of Joffery and Tommen. This means that Margaery would have gone to Casterly Rock and her family would have never stayed in Kings Landing, meaning they never would have died and most likely never sided with the Targaryens in season seven.
How would history be different if Tywin would of fully accepted Tyrion as his son and worked and utilized him to his full extent in as healthy of a relationship as a child of Tywin could have with Tywin
Would've totally changed. Tywin was SUCH a jerk to Tyrion. If he had accepted Tyrion, Tywin wouldn't have had to work so actively to get Jaime out of the Kingsguard.
You're take on Janos not deserving being sent to the wall by Tyrion is laughable. Tyrion saw a snake, recognized the danger and removed it. There is no scenario where Janos being head of the city police is good for Tyrion.
Well Sam and Tyrion are my new favourite BrOTP now, thank you very much. Also, what if Renly supported his brother Stannis claim instead of partying in the Reach?
If Tyrion wasn't with Dany at that time, he would not have been there to advise her to break up with Daario and he would have come and if Dany and Jon started falling for each other, Daario might have gotten jealous and tries to fight Jon.
What if Jaime was sent to the wall after Robert's rebellion for his killing of the mad king.
I love it! That'd kill my brain, but excited to try and figure it out :)
King Hoenn Tywin would never have marriage between robert and cersei. Robert needs financial support because the whole country was in war.
TheBattProductions do a what if Walder Frey let Robb leave the red wedding
TheBattProductions what if rob married a fray the day of the crossing most likely ros
Abaddon Void He already made a video about that one.
What if Yoren makes it to The Nights Watch with Arya, Gendry, Lommy, Hot Pie etc?
Excellent suggestion! :)
maybe karl doesn't mutiny because they have better food to eat
Coffee Ninja do this one!!!
Arya and Jon!!!!!
PLEASE DO THIS
Imagine how interesting the Night's Watch Story could have been if everyone that was heading there, or considered going there actually went and was there at the same time...
Jon Snow, Ned Stark, Arya Stark, Gendry, Jaqen H'ghar, Tyrion Lannister, & Theon Greyjoy.
SERIOUSLY. The Night's Watch is just a place that is always the bridesmaid and never the bride...Never quite gets its due.
TheBattProductions I agree. Personally I loved the Night's Watch. It's one of my favorite parts of the story.
Sam " ...i touched a leg once..." Hahahhahahahahahahaaaaa
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What if the women’s were like men and the men were like women’s?
Tyrion: rolls eyes
Percy: Lady Caroline, I touched her, once. Blackadder: You touched her what? Percy: No. I once touched her, in the corridor. Blackadder: I've never heard it called that.
What if Ned Stark never had any daughters
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What if Joanna Lannister doesnt die during Tyrions birth
Oo00oo00 I like these! Good suggestions.
666MIHI Then Ned stark won't have confess to false crime, he would tell everyone the truth, because his not afraid to die.
Joannna lannister would be able to protect tyrion abuses from his father and others as well, she would help tyrion become a maester or choose another career, a lot would change tyrion would never kill his own father.
TheBattProductions Question would brandon stark (Ned's older brother) be a better leader then ned or ned be a better lord of the north then his older brother despite he is just a follower type, but his also better commander in the battle to do robert rebellion.
Robb Stark would be hostage in kings landing thou so not sure about no confesion thing
666MIHI Ned would never do such a stupid shit, he wouldn't take his heir nor any of his sons to the capital, he only took the girls, because robert gave his son and heir (fake baratheon).
"The road from King's Landing to the Wall is long.. Anything might happen during that time.." That's what Tyrion would have thought in the books.
I think Tyrion would have been set on the path to be a Maester along with Sam.
Very possible! I thought about that as well, but I would have to imagine he'd be more valuable to Jon by his side rather than in the formal Maester role. Sam's much better suited for that I think. :)
What if Tyrion wasn't a dwarf? I imagine his character would be a lot different (as well as his actions), and he would've impacted Westeros differently.
What if loras was killed by the mountain during the hand's tourney in season 1?
oooOooOoooo I like that!
TheBattProductions i agree with that questions
Raymond Li Renly would have supported Stannis' claim
I think it would be better if it was the hound who kills him in this what ic
Then the Tyrells would pissed off at king robert for doing nothing, the Tyrells would never allied with the lannister.
What if Ned told Catelyn who Jon Snow parents really were upon returning after Robert's Rebellion?
Then she would be shocked and demands ned to send jon to be foster somewhere else. Because she feared he would be a danger to her kids, she loves her kids the most.
If no one suspects a thing:(Catelyn would likely draw suspicion as she is more accepting of Jon this time around)
Likely have him be sent to the Daynes instead of the Watch after the Tournament(have distinct targaryen traits, that could hide his parentage and reinforce the myth of the milk maid/Ashara motherhood). Jon would be good brothers with Edric Dayne, being sent there occasionally before reaching adulthood. Likely would be picked up by Oberyn as a squire later at first hating him, due to his supposed father being Ned & renamed Jon Sand(The Sand Digging Wolf). But slowly the Dorne's come to realize he is different and try to groom him for their targaryen resurrection plan.(a stark heir for the North, bastard means nothing to Dornish) He would also likely be the riden like the town's bike by all the sand snakes, and he still knows nothing.
What if they don't find the dire wolfs in season one.
AH YES excellent one!
This may be the next one! I've pondered this before.
Sam would be dead, Arya would've been killed by Joffrey, Bran would be dead, Catelyn would die trying to defend Bran, Jeor Mormont would die in season 1, Jon Snow would be dead (No one there to help Jon Snow when he fought Tormund, and the other wildlings outside the windmill), Mance would win the battle of Castle Black before Stannis showed up (No Jon Snow to lead the defence of Castle Black). Gendry would be dead because Arya wouldn't be there and say Lommy's corpse was Gendry's.
Rickon would be acting Lord of Winterfell when Robb went to war.
A war would probably happen sooner though, I don't know how, but Joffrey killing Arya sounds like a pretty big deal. It depends on what Sansa, as witness would've said, maybe the Butcher's boy would witness against Joffrey, but I bet he'd be affraid as fuck
Ximen I don't think Geoffrey would kill Arya, he might seriously injure her, killing her himself would be a very bad idea. But you never know, he might. If he does with both Bran and Arya dead, presumably at the hands of Lannisters their might end up being war between the Starks and Lannisters. Geoffrey's engagement to Sansa would certainly be called off: Ned wouldn't want his daughter to marry the boy who killed/seriously injured Arya. Ned wouldn't become the hand of the king after losing two of his children due to Lannisters. I don't know what would happen to Geoffrey though, Robert might make Tommen first in line to the throne.
Don't forget if Grey Wind weren't there, Lord Umber wouldn't have been Robb's right hand and most of the northern host probably would have gone home. So maybe Robb would live in that scenario
Don't forget the warging is important to the stark's direwolfs.
Still think it would be cool to know what if Aemon takes the throne
Totally. Maybe one day I'll actually try to tackle that one. Would be very difficult!
What if the night wasn't dark and full of terrors?
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That’s what exactly happened in the show.
I’m late, but what if dark wings didn’t carry dark words?
@@jgamer2228 what?
@@rosanirodrigues557 So true, the battle of Winterfell didn't work out due to that?
Alternately, Tyrion gets grief from Janos, like you said. Having bigger balls than Janos, he volunteers to go to Eastwatch to patch things up, choosing the least shifty couple of men to go with him. He does his thing, comes back, and Jon tells him "Listen, we've got a big ass White Walker problem, so I'm gonna need you to see if you can smuggle all the Free Folk through Eastwatch and settle them somewhere South. Not too far South, cuz that's Umber Territory. Those hickory-smoked MFs are crazy." And he will. Cuz, come on. It's Tyrion.
Arianne Martell would've been ideal for Jamie if the show didn't screw up the Dorne storyline.
Oh totally. Arianne would've been PERFECT. Yara (Asha) wouldn't even be an option as well. Maybe Shireen Baratheon and Arianne?
I don't think the Lannisters would want peace with Stannis. Arianne is best option, helps smooth over relations with Dorne more, etc. If worst comes to worst, there is probably some Lannister second cousin or something in Lannisport :P.
And Arianne is super hot
Funny enough her storyline in the book involves her seducing a knight of the Kings guard Sir Areys Oak heart who Is replaced by Jaime in the series as part of the Mycella plot in Dorne.
What ifJoffrey (highly unlikely) accepts Robs peace terms. How would this impact the war of the 5 kings? What does stannis do?
Oh dude that'd make everything so much better, but it would be an independent North which eventually would cause a problem long-term.
TheBattProductions yeah that's true. I'm starting to run out of what ifs! Seems like you've seen or done most of em!
Tyrion was upset about Slynt killing Roberts bastards, probably because he is treated like a bastard as he said to Jon Snow.
I know it bothered him, but in the show (during his conversation that I added into the video) it seems he sent him away due to not being able to trust him. They talk about the bastard stuff, but seems like an afterthought in comparison.
I'm only 6 minutes into the video and I just love this concept! Probably because of the many-worlds theory of parallel realities... either way, great job! I'm stoked that I have a bunch of "what if" GoT vids to catch up on!
What if Jaime Lannister didn't kill Torrhen Karstark?
Good suggestion my Elky friend
he still killed the other Karstark son, right?
@@stephanwackman5816 he died in combat. not sure by jaime himself or his army
@@leonpaelinck yeh indeed, the series made it seem that Jaime killed Torrhen too
1)what if Tyrion was killed by the stone men
2)What if the 1st Night's Watch mutiny (against Jeor) failed
The potential wife for Jamie Lannister if this scenario played out. You missed an obvious choice. Samwell Tarlys sister. She's a highborn lady & one of the Tyrells loyalists banner men. It'd be a perfect match to help strengthen the Lannister, Tyrell alliance.
That's a good option!!!
What if Shireen Baratheon was never sacrificed?
Excellentttttt one! Gracias Eliza :)
I don't think it would have changed much. Shireen was an adorable little girl. Stannis was a complete monster for burning his own daughter. However, she had essentially 0 impact on the affairs of Westeros. I don't think anything would have changed other than Stannis not being a total monster before he died.
Stannis wouldn't of lost half his men and all his horses if she didn't die. So the battle could have been different.
Daniel Stark don't forget Melisandre was exiled from the North because of that. We'll probably need another season to go by to see the bigger picture of Melisandre's impact.
i think the implication was that if she was not burnt, they would all die from starvation. ramsay had burned their food and a blizzard trapped them. they couldnt march back to the wall. thy wouldnt find much sparable food there. they cant march forward. stannis loses his entire army then and there.
What if Mance Rayder bends the knee to Stannis Baratheon? Will the Wildlings still follow him and more importantly would they follow the Mannis? If they did, would the Wildlings + Stannis' forces be enough to defeat Ramsay? Would this change Jon's decision to stay at Castle Black?
Loved this Kevin. Thanks for doing all of these videos!
what if Tommon was born Before Joffrey?
Hahahahahha, Joffrey would murder Tommen
The war of five kings does not escalate. Ned keeps his head and the north secededs after a brutal war in the neck. Greyjoy/Bolton situation does not escalate, greyjoys still go independent and stay that way.
Joshua Mitchell would Tommen even have enough believe in himself to arrest Ned and not agree with him because his father trusted him? Dunno Tommen was ridiculously weak as a king.
Jsb Hi Fi Tommen would have been Joffrey. Joffrey probably only is like he is, because he was firstborn.
he'd be like joffrey, joffrey was an asshole because cersei messed him up more than her other children
what if Ned Stark and company lost at the tower of joy
That's a great one! I think that's going to be one of my next WHAT IFs
Alex Rau Then Benjen stark would be regency of the north until lady catelyn's son comes of age atleast until his 20.
Jon would be Jon sand as bastard of lord dayne of starfall?
TheBattProductions What if fanfiction never exited, then 50 shades grey would never have existed because they were inspired by fanfiction of twilight.
These WHATIF videos are awesome, def worth a Sub! Keep it up
Good job mate
I would think that with Sansa gone, the Lannisters would try to marry Jaime to a Northern girl to try and secure their hold up there. I would think Alys Karstark but she doesn't seem to exist in the show. Honestly the only Northern girl I can think IS there in the show is the Little Bear. Of course that'd be super creepy. Not out of place in the books considering the book even have infant brides but something the show had avoided by aging up characters.
4:45 he could end up with sansa now that her husband would be at the wall
What if little finger didn't betray ned?
Another possibility for Jaime's bride: Talla Tarly. She's young, she's available, and a marriage alliance with the Tarlys would be a further check on the uneasy Tyrell alliance. Being the daughter of a hard man like Randyll Tarly would also likely be a recommendation for Tywin.
What if Arya had went to the wall to instead of Braavos at the end of season 4?
Oh that'd be fun! Have Jon and her meetup together. I dig it!
What if the Knights of the Vale don't ride in during the Battle of the Bastards and what if Lord Wyman Manderly, Lord Robett Glover and Lord Cley Cerwyn join the Starks.
Tyrion also would be far more in Jon’s corner as well. He would have time to get to know Jon better, see how he leads, and respect him.
WHAT IF the assassination attempt on Joffrey's life by Olenna and Littlefinger failed (because Harry found a bezoar lying around) and Joffrey lived?
and
WHAT IF Arya never fled to Essos?
I actually did the first one of those! (well, it's WHAT IF Joffrey Lives).
Arya one? Nice suggestion! :)
I have so many "what if" ideas that some of them are getting really specific, so I don't know if they would work for this. For example: What if Robb and Catelyn learned that Arya wasn't a hostage? (Say she sent out a raven from Harenhaal without Tywin finding out.)
I think you missed an important angle. If Jamie was sent to Casterly Rock there is a big chance that Cersei would be motivated enough to go there too since there is a new queen in town. I know, Cersei is as power-hungry as they come but I do believe she could be swayed by Jamie. Of course she would not be one of those bachelorettes, but it this happens, she would definitively have the chosen bachelorette murdered, making more complicated the relationship between the Lanisters and some other important house, but at least all that drama would be away from KL, away from the crown.
When it comes to Denaerys... is Tyrion the one who introduces Varys into her council and also it is the Grayscale what moves Denaerys to forgive Jorah and taking back as her guard. I do believe that, without that Tyrion's deal, Meryn would have fallen into chaos much sooner and thus Graworm and Misandei could have died in the riots or the seige of the masters.
I do agree that Tyrion himself would have fit just right in the night's watch, I don't think that the lack of ladies would be an issue there, in fact Tyrion, Jon and Sam are rebels and 2 of them intelectuals, I cannot imagine a better team to rewrite celibacy rules, and many other rules for the better, than those 3. Thanos.. please, he is nothing against that team, Just imagine the reaction of Jon when he learns what he did to the babies at the brothel.
what if during theon's rescue mission by yara went a bit side way,like theon actually ditched the reek personality and went with yara but she was killed by ramsay during their escape leaving theon going home to pyke to confront balon
What if Shae took the diamonds Lord Varys offered her and went to Essos?
EXCELLENT thought my friend.
Ridiculously Average RL Tyrion would still be in the cells ready for execution until jaime saves his ass, then tyrion would still killed his father.
soyon manlai I feel like he would still kill his father but I also believe his father sleeping with Shae was a big factor in his decision. Anyway since TheBattProductions just did the video on Tyrion going to the wall, I feel like the only major thing to answer is, "What if Tyrion went to Essos and didn't kill Tywin?"
He already video of what if tywin lived.
what about other interesting topic like what if robert never bankrupted the realm on parites or what if brandon lived (Ned's older brother)? what if jon and starks kids realized or discover their warg abilities earlier?
I think it would happen exactly what happens in this video.
Since Tyrion would probably had voted for Jon sow that tie for Lord Commander wouldn't had happened.
My son's eyes are the same shade of blue of this guy, I hope it won't change (the doctor said it wont). Gosh, what mesmerising color
Nathália Madeira Huh, you're right.
Wow, Batt. I've seen almost all your "What If" series! (Going through them to see if I can come up with suggestion ideas!)
Incredible Tyrian imitation
What if tyrion dies at the blackwater, what if numeria kills Joffrey after biting him, or what if tyrion goes with Shae to essos like she wanted
Interesting... you're so fun Kevin😉
I'm not good with what ifs so I have nothing to share other than to say I liked listening to yours👍
Loved the pic of you on the throne-
King Kevin👑 long may he reign!
Speakin'o'Jon/Tyrion, I'm looking forward to the reunion (for lack of a better word) of these 2. They def held a bit of respect towards each other. I'm looking forward to peace and unity between most of the characters this season. Obviously not ALL, i.e. Cersai, but most.
*Always* a pleasure Kevin Thanx!
btw did I miss your podcast w/ SmokeScreen et al?
Why thank you Cammy :)
I'm very much looking forward to Jon and Tyrion for sure. That'd be terrific.
We did post Ep 3 of the podcast about 4-5 days ago, and we just recorded this week's podcast. It should be posted a few days from now. I posted the link in the description! :)
TheBattProductions
Ep 3!!! Whaaat? Still on Wednesdays
Awesome video man! I will say though it would take months to get to the wall not a day or two
Great video, love the Sam impression.
I do wonder if Jon would have led the battle of Winterfell if he hadn't died. He was so determined to not get into Westrosi politics before that.
Tywin wouldnt die and THAT is BIG!
I hit the like button but the video didn't even start yet!! Hehehe
Hi could you do a video on army set up and who would win in a pitch battle I think this could be interesting cause you would take in army size tactics weapons and leaders thank keep it up
6:01 Surely the reason was that he carried out Joffrey's order to murder all of Robert's bastards. Of course, he is sworn to obey the King, but Tyrion has a gentle heart and obviously that didn't sit well with him.
What if Xaro Xhoan Daxos had bad gas while locked in the vault with Doreah?
I'm surprised Cersei never conspired to have Tyrion sent to the wall much earlier after maneuvering that play through some fabrication.
I thought this would be when Mormont asked him to in book one from the title.
Also his story line would be much more entertaining in seasons 5 and 6.
Probably, yeah. The Essos stuff was boringggggg, but essential.
Awesome videos. Could you make one Euron Greyjoy.
I think Tyrion would become Jon's chief councillor as Lord Commander, but Olly would be his steward. I think he would actively work to strengthen Jon's position at the wall but also try and figure out who was most likely to desert the Night's Watch, because Tyrion (especially in the books) was absolutely furious at his family and wanted revenge. He'd make the most of his time at the Wall but he would be constantly looking for a way out. He would likely try and hatch an escape plan at some point, perhaps years down the line with the intention of going to Dorne, as Oberyn knows his worth and would understand Tyrion's desire for revenge is legit. In the books Oberyn offered Tyrion passage to Dorne if he won the trial by combat. Tyrion wouldn't have lived long with Cersei gunning for him even if proven innocent so it was a good deal he intended to take. However, after Hardhome it's possible Tyrion would consider staying if he thinks he can help defeat the army of the dead, although it's quite possible he would believe himself useless for that particular task and leave anyway. Tyrion may have also been able to convince Jon to send him with Sam to Oldtown where he'd be more useful, and he would have tried to turn that into an opportunity for escape as well. He would know full well that once Cersei got word he was in Oldtown she'd have him killed.
This is such an interesting 'what if.' I did want to touch upon some points though:
>Tyrion in Essos
I think another big way Tyrion affected Dany's storyline was Jorah. Granted it was because of Tyrion that Jorah contracted the disease, but it was because of Tyrion that Jorah had a reason to come back to Dany. Remember when Jorah got taken in by the slavers? That was because of him being with Tyrion. Jorah was exiled from Mereen. If he had come back w/o Tyrion Dany might have had him killed or jailed forever. Yet, it was also because of Tyrion that Dany spared him his life and exiled him again. So while the disease might be terrible it's one it's a price he paid in order to see Dany again. That's not small, that's pretty huge for Jorah AND Dany as Jorah saved her life during the Harpy massacre at the games.
You can also argue that he freed Dany's other 2 dragons so there's that, too.
>Tyrion at the Wall
While having Tyrion at the Wall would have been a HUGE help to Jon it also would have meant that Jon would not have been freed from his Night's Watch vows. He would have not been able to fight the Boltons to free Winterfell and aid in Sansa's revenge. Nor would he have been declared King in the North. Not having the freedom to do this means he would have been super screwed when trying to ask other lords and King's Landing for help. That means that Jon would have to end up aligning himself with someone, eventually, in order to get anyone to listen to him or to get the help that he needs. If anything I think more people would be upset with him for bringing Wildlings south of the wall. They are upset with him now, but now he's a King so there's nothing they can do about it for now.
With Tyrion there, Jon could send Sam to Oldtown to study to be a Maester, yet still have an intelligent confidante at the wall to bounce ideas off. Also, it would take about two weeks (best case scenario) to get to the Wall, so assuming he is sent straight away after his conviction, so he would probably turn up at The Wall maybe at the exact moment that Jon is beheading Janos.
There would also be the interesting scenario of Westeros' Greatest Skeptic being at The Wall at the same time that Melisandre is - and there would be a lot of tension and butting of heads between the two. And would Stannis even like Tyrion? Stannis hates everything-Lannister, of course, so he could try and get Tyrion killed. This in turn would incense Tywin: his son may have taken the Black, but he would not leave an assassination in his family alone. Tywin would march his forces to The Wall.
Would Jon even be happy to see Tyrion, as Tyrion was the Hand of the King when Jon kept writing King's Landing, requesting more men, but getting sent nothing.
Since he has no bargaining chip (not that it worked in when he did have Tyrion either), Jorah would have no reason to return to Daenerys, and clearly remain in exile. That would make his part in the entire saga DONE.
Since Ser Gregor won't be in a trial by combat, he won't die and be resurrected, thus not allowing him to become part of the Kingsguard. This way, Cersei has absolutely none of her own pawns in the game of thrones, making her much less of a threat and a character. Also she would never take over as Queen Regent as she did when Tywin died, which means there will never be the Faith Militant nor the High Sparrow controlling King's Landing. Thus there will never be a walk of shame, nor a means for her to get Margaery or Loras imprisoned. Tywin (and eventually Tommen) would control King's Landing.
I don't think you explored this nearly enough as you could have done.
What if Balon Greyjoy won the Greyjoy rebellion?
oooooooooo I love it!
Does taking the Black relinquish wedding vows as well? Because I could only imagine that Tywin wouldn’t want to give up the key to the north, so maybe he would put out a warrant for Sansa, Littlefinger would hear about and Sansa doesn’t end up with the Bolton’s (and more importantly, doesn’t have to endure Ramsay) but rather Casterly Rock?
Really good! The only thing I could think to add is if Tyrion never went to Dany she would have burned cities (because he talked her out of it) upon her return from the Vaes Dothrak.
Tyrion would witness Hardhome! Because Jon went there to make peace with the wildlings, he had no intentions of fighting that day. So he'd bring Tyrion there for some extra intelligence
sam: "I touched a leg once."
tyrion: Oh *downs wine glass*
on the ground laughing my ass off.
Did you go see extreme rules? Was it as good live? Love the videos mate!
YES I DID! It was very good live. Seeing Jeff take the dive off of the cage was insane. Hearing Bayley get booed incessantly was sad, but she deserves it right now for how bad she looks.
Have you done this one yet? If he has can someone please tell me where to find it.
What if Sansa didn't tell the Lannisters what her father was doing back in season one.
I didn't do that! Good suggestion
what if tywin doesnt sack king's landing
Chance Bevan then Ned Stark dose it but Rhaegar's children would probably still be alive in Pentos with Dany and Visarys
I know, but wanting to see his take on honourable Ned Stark
Chance Bevan I see my bad
no no, I didnt mean to be rude, you're a fan,and know your stuff, you are within your right to educate the fake fans and lesser nerds
Chance Bevan king Robert order Lord Eddard to take rheagar kids as hostage and wards, to ensure dorne would not rebel against king robert.
What if Anakin liked sand
Then SO MANY padawan children would've been safe at home playing catch with their daddies
It would suck be a straight man AKA Jamie married to a lesbian AKA Yara.
Or really it wouldn't suck, and that's the problem.
Daniel Stark I thought Yara was Bi.
The brothel at Molestown would have gotten a MAJOR upgrade.
Had it not been for Tyrion, Dany probably would have gone through with her plan to burn down the slave cities. You can say that Tyrion striking a deal with them ultimately led to the attack on Mereen, but I do not see why they would not have attacked anyway. Dany is surrounded by yes men. They all blindly agree with her and follow her. Only on occasion has someone called her out on a bad call due to inexperience.
During that intro sequence where he's all pixelated he always reminds me of a Beric Dondarrion
Haha, really?
I should've taken my glasses off in that photo I guess!
I mean it's not a bad thing I just think the similarity is funny.
What if Arya went with Brienne and Pod at the end of season 4 instead of going to Braavos?
What if Lancel blew out ze candles under ze great sept before they burned down?
Cersi would have been F'd in the B
Did you have to emphasize “SHORTLY” at 7:00 Hahahah
What if Tywin actually cared for Tyrion and tried to raise him the best he could?
Tyrion’s intelligence would have been similar to Jaime’s. The reason Tyrion is intelligent as he is that he reads lots of books and literature to cope with his treatment as a dwarf.
8:26 even jeor mormont sent Thorne away in early days
In the books was offered a place at the wall in the first book. It would be interesting if he had stayed at the wall there.
Your Old School NWO shirt made me spit coffee on myself laughing today, a flood of funny memories from my childhood. Areo Hotah should've been part of that, I can see him And the mountain in their entrance. Gregor just standing there, larger than Nash or hogan with just his hands in a pyramid. Towering over the others,as they dance to the stage trying to act like him and Areo. As they casually & slowly walk to the stage. Lmfao Samwell "I touched a led once." Lol he Did let Gilly put it on him whilst injured. Did he have time to use a sheepskin? Are we awaiting a tiny Jon2.0...great stuff as Always. Speculative minds flock to the same Channel. Yours. Cheers.
Bit if Jon sends away ser alliser and all his other enemies, he is never killed. Which means he will stay the lord commander and never March on winter fell. However sansa would probably become the lady of winterfell with the knights of the vale and the northern houses.
Haven't heard you say anything about the potential possibility of not having GoT next year?
YES I did. I'll make a vid on that, too but this one took priority :(
Sweet video
Good job
Thanks my friend!
Oberyn might have been counting on getting blamed for tywin's death to fight the mountain
I really like these what ifs however. I would like it if you could do more knock on domino effects. For example. Jorah only went back to dany because he thought he would make a gift or a lanister. And if jorah didn't come back. Danny would have been assassinated by the sons of the harpy that jorah speared in the original timeline. Dragon wouldn't of shown up in time and rhaegal and viscirion would remain chained below the pyramid cos tyrion wouldn't of suggested to free them so their growth would have been stunted
Jaime could have also married Margaery Tyrell because if you think about it Tyrions trial was set up in between the weddings of Joffery and Tommen. This means that Margaery would have gone to Casterly Rock and her family would have never stayed in Kings Landing, meaning they never would have died and most likely never sided with the Targaryens in season seven.
How would history be different if Tywin would of fully accepted Tyrion as his son and worked and utilized him to his full extent in as healthy of a relationship as a child of Tywin could have with Tywin
Would've totally changed. Tywin was SUCH a jerk to Tyrion. If he had accepted Tyrion, Tywin wouldn't have had to work so actively to get Jaime out of the Kingsguard.
🎶 Don’t turn your back on the Wolf Pack... You might wind up, in a body bag... 🎶
Guy in the video gets it😂
Great video as always Kevin You should do what if Aerys Targaryen wasn't Mad.
P.s This Yahia I just Changed my account name
Thank you Yahia! I appreciate it my friend.
A day or two to get to the wall from Kingslanding when they made a point to say it was a hard ride to the wall from winterfell lol
What if walder Frey let's Robb leave the red wedding
What if Tyrion while heading to the wall escapes? Well I guess is plays out pretty much the same.
Removing Janos Slynt does make sense, since he might be loyal to the queen making him an enemy of Tyrion.
I thought Tyrion would be a good counselor to Dany but in season 7 he didn’t give good counsel. Don’t want him working with Jon
What if Sansa leaves with The Hound during the Battle of Blackwater Bay?
You're take on Janos not deserving being sent to the wall by Tyrion is laughable. Tyrion saw a snake, recognized the danger and removed it. There is no scenario where Janos being head of the city police is good for Tyrion.
What if Jon takes Stannis's offer? The terms can be the book terms even
Well Sam and Tyrion are my new favourite BrOTP now, thank you very much.
Also, what if Renly supported his brother Stannis claim instead of partying in the Reach?
Do a part 2 to this if tyrion was there but jon died
If Tyrion wasn't with Dany at that time, he would not have been there to advise her to break up with Daario and he would have come and if Dany and Jon started falling for each other, Daario might have gotten jealous and tries to fight Jon.