KIMI ANTONELLI to Mercedes? LEWIS HAMILTON paranoid?
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- New superlicence rules will see Kimi Antonelli in a current Formula 1 car this season and perhaps a race seat in 2025. Is Lewis feeling a little paranoid? Is that encouraging his fanbase's toxicity?
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What I find hilarious is that you guys believe you would be able to accurately determine if sabotage is actually occurring..... the amount of technology and data in F1 and the precision needed in this sport, Mercedes of all teams should be and are capable of sabotaging with out it being noticeable to the public. The only person's that can speak with any authority on such a top are persons on that team in the inner circle. Not saying it is happening I'm just saying a good team is capable of doing it without being obvious about there actions.
Absolutely my point as well. It’s so easy to make an opinion on the outside when you don’t know 99.9% of what’s going on internally and only relying on “sources” to make an opinion.
I don’t think it’s “sabotage” either but there can be some deliberate lack of focus from the team because Lewis is leaving and Merc want George to be the #1. You can tell Lewis side of the garage isn’t laser focus. That’s not sabotage but it is a hindrance which Lewis may be alluding to.
And yet it’s really simple to say he IS being sabotaged?
I take the point about his side of the garage being less focused, hence the tyre temp issue, but the fan base is alleging wholesale manipulation. I don’t see any evidence of that
Of course you’re right. We don’t work for Mercedes but the point of this channel is to give an opinion based on what we know. That’s what we’re doing!
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@tyredf1pod What is Sabotage??... One can argue sabotage is the intent of an action and not the action itself. LH was on the bad side of strategy, incorrect tyre temps (as mentioned) and also failure to clean his mirrors in questionable weather conditions.
Yea sure a team can have an off day, an off weekend even an off season with said mistake. However if these same actions are ordered from the top these same said "mistakes" change to "Sabotage" immediately.
(Not saying this is the case)
As your friend loves to say F1 is a story told in tenths 😂😂 ,said mistake can cause way more loss than tenths.
Then I may hear "why merc would do these things intentionally?", clearly over looking what LH brings to that team and will be taking when he leaves outside of driving skill.
From a financial stand point leaving will hit them good, an easy way to attract new sponsorship and to keep fans would be to assure them they are in good hands with GR and LH isn't as good as he was no big loss etc. Can think of a number more reasons they would do such. May not be the case but motive is definitely there, on the flip side LH can be paranoid.... My point is when speaking on this topic both sides have an argument and any can be right but we don't and probably will never know lol... but I digress
I’m not sure why everyone is quick to dismiss the issue of low temp tyres. What that does to lap time cannot be disputed. So if merc is making the tyre temps different that would be one effective way to sabotage but at the same time not looking like they are.
I think a lot of the commentators are always to align with flow to prevent being cancelled or seem balanced.
Over the past two seasons Lewis and george have had balanced qualifying and then this year all of a sudden Lewis is useless and george is super good. On the other end Alonso still got it.
You guyz are trying to stay on air than be fairly assess possibilities 😊
Thanks for that…
I’d say Alonso is performing worse than Lewis given that he has Lance as a teammate who is widely recognized as a driver who’s in f1 because of his dad.
People praise Fernando for beating a teammate of way worse caliber than Lewis teammate who’s dubbed “Mr Saturday” and the next great thing in this generation of f1 drivers. Lewis has always dealt with superstar teammate his whole career. And has beaten them, now all of a sudden everyone’s blind to that🤔 it’s always Lewis man.
I think ALOT of people just want Lewis to fail and fall off just so that they can feel good about themselves and have their told you so moment.
Your analysis is correct, Lewis and George in the past two years have been neck and neck in quali, and I think the real difference is in the milliseconds.
But the average Lewis hating person out there does not care for details, they just want their satisfying moment.
Lewis has a right to fell like Mercedes has been sabotaging him because he's been fast in practice and then, when quali comes, he looses pace.
The difference is a driver losing his raw 1 lap pace, not a team sabotaging him. He and his fans need to stop playing victim
ooh "messy divorce" is such a good way to describe this. It fits really well.
There’s no reason not to bring Kimi into Williams for the remainder of the season, IF he is going to Merc next year.
I’d rather he finish F2 and do 2025 and maybe 2026 at Williams before moving to Merc, but that doesn’t appear to be the plan.
Yeh me too. Feels a bit rushed doesn’t it?
@@tyredf1pod no not really, Logan is a sitting duck
@@702TifosiGambler not because Logan shouldn’t be replaced or that Kimi couldn’t do the job. I just want to see him see out his F2 season!
Why not Mercedes?
@@pietervanbreda4360 I think he’d be better served gaining experience before fighting towards the front. He’ll still be extremely young when he joins Merc
Lewis has already showed that he belong in the conversation to be the GOAT. He doesn't have anything to prove. 100+ wins and 100+ pole. He just want to get the 8th to be above Michael nothing else. I don't think Ferrari gonna given the opportunity cause like you guys said Charles is the man at Ferrari. 😂😂😂😂
Fernando was supposed to be the main guy at McLaren but still got beat by a rookie Lewis… I don’t think you guys understand what a reset could do for a drivers confidence. Lewis has seem to always make the right decisions in his career. Everything’s strategic. If you think he would go to Ferrari and not expect to beat Charles and become the #1 than you’re mistaken.
18:31 Why would Lewis say that now?
Because he can't accept the fact that George is quicker than him.
I’m positive if Hamilton had taken the sabbatical as Amar (forgive the spelling) suggested he’d be there with the mob calling him a quitter and hypocrite “still I rise. The guy can’t win for losing, the talks about Hamilton being the number one driver at Ferrari is just ridiculous as well. I’m sure Fred and Ferrari would prefer a driver with more proven consistency than Carlos to aid in the quest of securing the constructors against the ( energy drink company). I know these are characters with big egos but I doubt Lewis is thinking he is arriving as the # driver of that team performance wise.
I think Lewis has found out the hard way that all those years of being at Mercedes the team deeply didn’t support his values and only coped because he was winning, explains why the ambassador’s request was not even considered. Sorry for the rambling.
Really appreciate your Chanel.
Honestly, Lewis cannot win with these guys. It's always one thing the other.
I think people are getting it wrong. I think the deal between Ferrari and Hamilton is not as it seems. I don't think it is so much of the eight championship, or being number one in this deal so much.
I think as I have mentioned before a financial deal for both, and an ambassadorial role that Hamilton has sleeked from Mercedes.
Hamilton has also previously praised Leclerc and said watch out for this guy, so he will support and nurture Leclerc with his own experience helping Ferrari develop that car.
Also, we seemed to have stopped talking about Adrian Newey, what about that then?
I don’t think he would go there thinking he can’t win another championship. Lewis has had Fernando, Jenson, Rosberg, George and now Charles soon. He isn’t worried about that. Yes financial and other things come into play but a driver who’s won 7x wdc isn’t about to lay down because he’s going to a team that has a #1 driver who they’ve nurtured throughout his whole career.
Lewis winning a record breaking 8th title with Ferrari and Ferrari winning another drivers championship would mean a lot more than Charles winning his 1st. Charles still has his whole career ahead of him.
Adrian is Ferrari bound but are the new regs heavily aero dependent???
And as you can see, McLaren and Mercedes seem to have caught up with RBR. It would all be interesting to see.
@@jkbzz the floor is significantly reduced in its importance but active aero will be huge and how it flows throughout the chassis, newey is known for that. Aero is still huge in 2026 but the engine is too. McLaren have the same engine as Merc but they nail the aero more than them. So even if Merc dominate with engine they still have McLaren to compete with aero wise if they get the engine right but also Ferrari are great with engines and if they get newey they will have the aero master.
@@livefast-xc8lm thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.
@@livefast-xc8lm thanks for the clarification, much appreciated.
And as we all know, it is standard to not share information and even upgrades with outgoing drivers, heck even if they are are remaining 🤣Freezing them out of future meetings. I feel Sir LH 44 does have some justification in what he feels is going on, making comments as he does, because its common practice. Mercedes are just crap at hiding it, showing their majority of support for their choice of future driver and Mercedes's future, which had been made way before Hamilton's choice to leave.
Hypothetically If this was happening where Mercedes had a more compatible car and Hamilton was still leaving, they would support both drivers equally for max points. the fact that they have nothing to fight for really except for an (outside chance) Of third place is where we are at, and Merc can play like they have been and be accused of what they are doing..
I think unless you know a driver personally and talk to them on a daily basis, you won’t truly know the psychology of what this whole conversation revolves around.
You guy act like Lewis didn’t comfortably destroy George last year in the standings😂 2022 he experimented a lot. Man Lewis really does cause people to talk for views…
Give him a championship capable car and you’ll see what he could still do at 40 years old. This whole Lewis situation is blown out of proportion.
I think I would agree if the man himself wasn’t also making out of the ordinary statements
I don’t know him so I admit everything we say is conjecture but him being in a situation he hasn’t found himself in before and becoming a little paranoid about that makes more sense than sabotage!
@@tyredf1pod but why wasn’t there so much outrage when Michael was losing to his teammates towards the end of his career, what about vettel, Lance is almost on par with Fernando in quali h2h, why not speak about that?
It’s always Lewis this Lewis that won’t everybody (media, fan bases, Lewis haters, podcasters, everyone). It’s always Lewis Lewis Lewis.
He is past his prime, going up against another incredible teammate like he’s had his WHOLE CAREER. A guy who’s dubbed “Mr Saturday”, he outclassed him comfortably last year, no one said a peep about George or giving Lewis props. Now all of a sudden this year just because he’s 8-1 behind in quali you’d think the man was last place every race. He’s 14 points behind his teammate in the drivers standings. I mean come on f1 community everyone needs to relax a bit.
AD21 would ofc affect anyone in that situation on the losing side. That situation was a clear case of robbery no matter how you shake it out to be. The facts are the facts. But let’s not act like a 7x wdc is damaged goods now because he’s in his later stages of his career. Come on man. I understand why Lewis thinks now that people will bring up his name for clicks and views and attention. We are seeing it now and we saw it in 2022 briefly.
If we take a step back and look at all the teammates Lewis has had, ask yourself would any other diver want that pressure their whole career? Would they have the same success as Lewis? We already see max saying he doesn’t like hectic racing wheel to wheel, doesn’t like fighting at the front, prefers easy races… Lewis never shies from that competition.
He’s on his way to another team with a Superstar driver in Charles, what makes you think a guy whose psychology is off would want to get himself in that situation? Obviously Lewis because he believes in himself and has proven he doesn’t shy away from any challenge of a teammate. His legacy, his resume is unmatched quite frankly.
We should be celebrating him not trying to figure out what’s wrong with him or try to write him off in his latter years of his career. He gets the worst goat treatment of all top 5 drivers it’s so sickening to see. Must be mentally exhausting to always get this scrutiny even when being the most successful driver in f1 history. It’s crazy…
@@tyredf1pod lastly you can’t generalize the whole sabotaging theory to everyone. I definitely don’t think it’s “sabotaging” but I definitely can admit we don’t know what Lewis would know. So the way you guys write off that anything can’t be happening is false.
Lewis said anytime he goes on to qualifying the tyres are 2-3 degrees lower. Why would he give a specific amount like that just for fun? He’s been in the sport for 17 years and never said anything like that. You’d have to think he may know things we don’t or suspect things we couldn’t. Please stop writing off the probability of nothing happening. It could just be the team aren’t as sharp on his side of the garage as George’s because of the departure to Ferrari, but that would indicate yes things are going on behind the scenes that WE THE GENERAL POPULATION would not see or know like Lewis has been hinting at.
Oh f..k here we go again , give 80 percent of the drivers a winning car and they will do it.
@@tyredf1pod You say you don't know him and you would believe him if he did not make out of the ordinary statements.
So leading with your 1st statement is it conjecture or not...??
What a stupid thumb nail and title… Lewis decided to leave after evaluating his options after two years of awful cars. If he’s being frozen out bit by bit over long term plans then that’s 100% normal. Mercedes and Toto wanted the last laugh but Lewis got it. Stupid videos like this annoy me.
Thanks for the input
I'm not saying this will happen but what if he joins Merc and over 25 and 26 years, Russell establishes himself as the faster driver? What does that mean. I remember Piastri being hailed as the Verstappen Beater, won the title in his rookie year etc. that hasn't materialised yet.
I reckon Russell would be the faster driver: he’s got pedigree, tenure and established credentials. Wouldn’t want to bet against him
Piastri is showing what he’s made of. Takes time and opportunity I think
Yes..
What will this tweak for the superlisence mean in the long run I wonder. Why are the FIA /FOM willing to bent the rules for Kimi Antonelli and not for the points system that allows IndyCar/Nascar drivers to get their superlisence in a more accelerated fashion.
I am excited to see Kimi race but the whole thing is a bit odd.
The relevance that Lewis used to have is waning purely because of circumstance. Bad car, too eager teammate, silly mistakes that could suggest doubt in himself and/or the team. Every champion on the recieving end off those circumstances has been through it and as history shows, find themselves with the same paranoia. It usually doesn't end well.
I am not a Lewis Hamilton fan but I rate the man pretty high. He utilized the tools he had all those years in pretty spectaculair fashion so to me he has nothing more to prove.
What I am interested in now is the human interest side of the story and the resilliance one needs have to move from one high pressure environment to another.
If one of the reasonings for leaving is that Lewis got paired up with an overeager teammate that cramps his style at Mercedes what will that mean for his future pairing with Charles. Is it percieved that Charles is more gullable? I come back to the same question every time .
What did John Elkan promise Lewis Hamilton? The number one status? Adrian Newey?
What do guys reckon....
The title suggests that Kimi is forcing Hamilton out and hella click baity. If I was in Hamilton's shoes I'd be looking to drive for Ferrari before retirement. It's iconic , to have the privilege to be called is what any F1 driver would kill for . I'm not even a Ferrari fan and I can see it plain as day .
Clickbait: “the practice of writing sensationalized or misleading headlines”
It may be sensational but it’s not misleading. We outline exactly why - in our opinion - Kimi coming in to Mercedes heralded the departure of Lewis Hamilton
@@tyredf1pod Did you actually read my comment or just get offend by "Click baity"
I said suggests , which is exactly what the thumbnail does . Which is why I clicked on it , even though I know Hamilton decided to leave before Kimi was in the picture .
That was purely how i interpreted what I saw and to be completely honest , I wouldn't have bothered watching if the thumbnail hadn't caught my eye . So whether you see it as CB or not , it worked and and I watched and was entertained.
At the end of the day , that's what is important 👍
True true true
Thanks very much Mr. Drummond
Shez
@@derekdrummond7544Are we backtracking Mr. Drummond? Because the only "suggestion" the title made was a valid question.
" Is Kimi Antonelli going to Mercedes". You seem to be infected by the same "suggestion" of Hamilton paranoia to call it clickbait.
I sincerely hope you will have peace of mind when Sir Lewis Hamilton rocks up in a beautiful black outfit, because the "suggestion" of a black Ferrari has already been put out.
@alicekoppenol-pitti6257 Absolutely not . I stand by what I said. Could I have said the Thumbnaiil suggests , Yes , and I clarified that in my further response. Tbh I don't generally read the titles . If the thumbnail grabs my attention, I'm going in , which is exactly the purpose of thumbnails , is it not ?
Ferrari is getting Newey and Hamilton, they are going to monster soon.
12:25 Lewis always plays the victim, and knows how to say a few key things, as you rightly say, to "fan the flames". He's getting older and he has lost the edge in raw 1 lap qualy pace. That's why you wouldn't give him a long term deal.
I never really understand why people say that age has something to do with quali pace
If someone can find me non-anecdotal evidence that drivers’ quali pace drops off with age I’d love to see it
@@tyredf1pod of course it does, as you age your reflexes and that exuberance of youth fades. Father time is undefeated.
Obviously some fair better than others, but it effects everyone.
@@Lewythefly cool - if it’s that obvious there must be some data to prove it…
@@tyredf1pod just Google it mate, how do I put data in a UA-cam comment
@@Lewythefly have a look at our video entitled “too old” where we have actually got the literature that shows that age related decline doesn’t happen until around 50y of age
And if you want to put a reference in a UA-cam reply its like this:
3. Bernard T, Sultana F, Lepers R, Hausswirth C, Brisswalter J. Age-related decline in olympic triathlon performance: effect of locomotion mode. Experimental aging research. 2010;36(1): 64-78. doi.org/10.1080/03610730903418620.
I suggested earlier in the year Hamilton should take a sabbatical and prepare for his Ferrari push
given the Merc is a shell of itself, however after the strong showing in Canada maybe my stance has changed.
It's more likely Antonelli replaces Logan after the summer break all but certain at this point, Kimi probably does
an FP1 for Lewis prior to the summer break. Merc or at least Toto is probably thinking 3rd in CC is still in play.
88 points behind Mclaren with plenty season left and if you're Hamilton getting in stronger form prior to the
Ferrari move makes sense. I still don't know what to think of the Merc complete Jelly N Hyde, we'll see on the
run up to Elf at Spanish GP if they've found something substantial or not
Why will you give your enemy {Lewis 2025 Ferrari } seat time in your car than maybe a guy that can win the 2025 title for you , makes no sense
What is it about Lewis that attracts tinfoil hatters to be his fans? I honestly don't see the connection. Sabotage? The risk for merc is too high, and the motives don't make sense.
I agree, Charles is not just gonna roll over
Hamilton frozen out? Is going to Ferrari frozen out? I wish F1 had more regular action so we wouldn't be subjected to so many F1 UA-cam channels click-baiting the entire F1 community for lack of content. The amount of channels I've hit the 'Don't recommend this channel' button on is way too high. Not this one, yet, because it looks pretty good. A better title would have been 'KIMI ANTONELLI to Mercedes, SENNA Reincarnated?'
Lol, I don’t know what to do with this comment
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching!
Dunno about Senna reincarnated, but we do talk about Lewis at the tail end of the video.
Hmmm, you’ve made me think about the title
18:15
Total nonsensical conversation.
Trying to find a way to blame Lewis is pointless.
Watch and see what happens in the future.
He just had the fastest lap in the last race.
You didn’t get what we were saying
@@tyredf1podguys it’s okay he got the fastest lap!
Maybe it is not a tool thing but a skill thing
Lewis just finished comfortably ahead of George last year in the standings. You can’t just drop off skill wise in a few months from that. Doesn’t work like that.
when there is a problem, the solution invariably lies inwards. Firstly, the answer is simple George is doing a better job than Lewis with the machine underneath him because he is that good. However, the way Lewis is going about it is totally wrong. he needs to look inward rather than accusing his team of foul play.
Secondly, is Lewis the only driver on the grid to have the potential to win a world championship but instead has to contest with a subpar machine? No. Not one driver is owed a championship if that were the case then what about drivers like Alonso, Charles, Lando, George, and many others? a lot of you achieve in this sport heavily relies upon Luck, and being at the right place at the right time. so it is not an injustice that he doesn't have the car to compete for the championship rather he has lacked grace at moments this year which is not at all fair to the team and his teammate. I would argue that Lewis is very lucky to have the career he's had with Mercedes. He has, with the help and hard work of his team, cemented his place with the greatest drivers in this sport, even if he retires today he will be remembered as one of the greatest that's what Mercedes has given him.
Love this
Thanks MrMadmen
Luck is nothing to do with it, if your good enough and a team both needs you and wants you, as well as having the seat to put you in as a driver you will get it. Then it is up to the driver to perform under that pressure which Hamilton has done against drivers who were better then Perez, and even won a championship as in Rosberg.
We talk about Lewis like he is a young man when he is not, maybe he should retire.
I am really concerned with the pressure Kimi will face when going to Mercedes's, if he does. Because that is a lot of pressure for that young man.
@@opinionated_one8692. I don't hear anyone saying Alonso should retire , why should Hamilton. Hamilton is still capable of winning another WDC given a decent car , i don't see Russell as a championship contender , he makes to many mistakes . Considering so much is made of him out qualifying Hamilton, he's only ahead by 14 points which doesn't speak well of his consistency , and in Canada to finish ahead of Hamilton despite starting with 5 cars between them speak to this also. Hamilton should never have been put on the hards , the softs would have gone the distance, failing that the mediums , but that would have assured he got past Russell , no wonder he feels sabotaged.
@@derekdrummond7544 I think you are mistaken, I do not want Hamilton to retire, I have been and still am a fan of his, along with F1. Which I was before he joined.
I think you read something wrong there mate, or I versed it wrong.
@@opinionated_one8692 I simply responded to your " He's no longer a young man " statement , because that's how it reads .
Interpretation is a bitch 🤣🤣
Why Hamilton is frozen out? Hamilton goes to Ferrari.
Just a comment about why he might be a little paranoid right now
Give it a watch, see what you think
Meaning before the end of the 2024 seasons possibly.
Mercedes will be a beast in 2026
Drop Lewis now and go with Kimi
A statement that makes absolutely no sense and is coming from feelings and hatred rather than a valid position😂 Lewis just washed George in the standings last season. Please let’s not act like you have short term memory. Fernando is barely beating Lance this season, should he be replaced with a Ashton Martin reserve driver? Nonsense