Coleco's Donkey Kong port is part of one of the most important legal cases in video game history. Nintendo had given Coleco exclusive rights for console ports of Donkey Kong in the US (the 2600 version was also made by Coleco). It was popular enough that Universal Pictures, owners of the King Kong IP, caught notice of it. Universal went after Coleco, claiming infringement on King Kong. Coleco caved without contacting Nintendo and agreed to give Universal 3% of sales of the Coleco Donkey Kong as royalties. Universal went after Nintendo after that, telling Nintendo that Coleco had already agreed to pay royalties. However, Nintendo didn't back down. By the time the dust settled in 83, Nintendo had legally eviscerated Universal and Coleco was fading with the video game crash. Howard Lincoln not only kept Nintendo from having to pay royalties, but it turned out that Universal themselves no longer properly owned the rights to King Kong. This positioned Nintendo at the top of the heap at the most ideal time, when the Famicom was preparing to drop and their potential competition in the market had all immolated themselves.
A lot of these ports are akin to someone telling you they can shove their entire arm down their own throat before actually doing it. It's an impressive sight at the technical level, you're left admiring the flexibility and how it all works. But the experience of just seeing things in action makes you feel uncomfortable and almost everyone is fine seeing it happen once and never again.
I feel like a few of them are things I would've genuinely enjoyed on handhelds as a kid, but unlike their original versions I'd never go back to them. I'd rather watch streamers or let's players suffer through them
If SNES doom was made in 2023 it would be on a youtube video called 'How I made doom on the SNES' with a screenshot of the game and the doom guy's face with wide eyes and a big red arrow pointing to the snes logo and the video would be 7 minutes long with a guy with some random european accent explaining how he did it with flashy editing and that thing where the text appears word by word flashing up on the screen and the comments will be like 'bravo sir, you truly are one of the best programmers of all time' and 'wtf I wish we could travel in time and have this, my past self would have loved this'
5:39: The original programmer of Doom for the SNES stated that it is theoretically possible to either double the framerate or the resolution of the port. He will eventually do it.
If doubling the framerate part is accurate that would easily put among the best doom ports. And it's arguably already better than 3do and Saturn ports.
Considering how the code can basically be broken down to machine readable bits that any sort of device can understand and execute, I can believe them. Granted, parts of the game are written in a slightly different language, so ports aren't 100% straightforward.
SNES Doom has much better sounding music than on other systems. Was the first version of Doom I ever played, didn't really notice how bad the frame rate was until I'd played a bit of Fears on Amiga (with a 68030) then went back to Doom
Yoko Shimomura is one of the best video game composers of all time. As much as I loved seeing her play piano live at one of the Kingdom Hearts concerts, I wish there was a more overall concert of her work (her Smash Bros. arrangements, the Street Fighter II soundtrack, the Mario + Luigi soundtracks, Xenoblade…) There’s so much she’s done that people don’t even realize is her.
shimomura only did eleven tracks for xenoblade, tho they are really good. also wasn't that big of a fan of here work in superstar saga, the tracks were just too short for my taste. later M&L games are pretty much perfect tho.
I just hope barnyard acknowledges ambitions/good ports alongside the comically bad ones. Deadly Alliance is a perfect example of what I mean. I hope he looks at Tekken Advance and SFA3 on the GBA.
3:43 That was me in 1995. I didn't have a good enough computer for proper Doom but really wanted it, so had to settle for the Super NES port, which I grew to love as I really only saw it as just a chance to play Doom. And maybe after Vinny streams the 3DO port, he should give the Saturn version a go. It would put THIS port in a new light...
Had to go look up the fatalities for Mortal Kombat IV on GBC. Those are something else, it's a shame he didn't bring up a video of them. They were just the grainiest 8 frame FMV's of a generic finishing move ranging from "fuzzy blob throws fuzzy blob at other fuzzier blob and then fuzzier blob gets bigger" to "well shit subzero actually rips that guy's head off." They all then end with a blood splatter transition effect they paid a 6 year old at least half of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (made with generic store brand ingredients) to make in Kidpix on his Mac Classic II.
When I was like 6 or 7, my Dad brought me a copy of Oddworld: Munch’s Odyssee for the GBA that he quote “found in a gas station bathroom.” I played it for 5 minutes, got stuck on the part where I had to collect 20 boogers to open a door, and never touched it again
1:15:14 The MD emu used in SSP originated on Dream Passport 3, a browser with a service called *Dream Library* which allowed DC owners to play MD games with 150 Yen for a week. The service lasted until 2003 in favor of Sega Game Honpo for PC.
As a huge Shining Force fan who intimately knows what all the original music sounds like, that last segment took 10 years off my life in the middle of work
I felt the same when it came to Sonic 1. Like, Sonic 1 is my least favorite good classic sonic game, and hearing what they did to my boy just hurt my soul. Ditto to Streets of Rage 2, a game that I have no attachment or nostalgia towards but I knew that the series is known for it's great music so hearing that was just... Rough...
I remember making that first 3DO pack while cooped up post surgery. I remember being so happy that Vin ended up playing it lmfao. Happy to hear it still gets referenced here every once and a while.
The best part about the Sonic in the logo being on the wrong layer. That's apparently what happens when you enable "no sprite limit" in the emulator. Even the more recent Sega Genesis Classics Collection (the one that was released on consoles and stuff), has that issue. Paid official compilation on an Xbox One/PS4/PC....and even it still has that issue.
I have to agree with vinny with the "the worst sonic enemy is sega", sega most of the time do all the things to make this series fails with time limits and low budget, i dont like the idea of people saying Nintendo should get the ip because this means all sonic games go on will be Nintendo exclusive with is a terrible thing. Sonic team can make good games but they need like alot of re cast and investment to do
Doom on SNES may run poorly but its inclusion of almost all the PC content and even online multiplayer are admirable, and the fact it runs at-all is a technical marvel. Also its source code was recently released so an improvement hack is very possible. The 32X version got an amazing overhaul that brings it up to par with the PSX port.
It always makes me laugh when people are like "HyOw cEn BiNtY fRoGeT dEeS GYAEM?! He play eet beforrrre!" One person I saw even accused him of potentially having early onset Alzheimer's. The man has been playing trash for 13 years now, and literally hundreds of games have passed before his eyes. He's not going to remember everything, it's impossible. The people who say that humans have infinite capacity for memory and knowledge don't understand that is physically impossible.
It can just be that some games really aren't that notable to the point that your brain just doesn't tie the memories of playing the game to anything. A person with an eidetic or photographic memory may be able to recall more information because of how those connections in your brain work. To us, we know what games vinny has played by just googling that information. Or maybe a stranger happens upon a vod and then joins a stream with the same game.
I think people don’t understand it’s more of a job and he won’t remember much, kinda like Movie stars who don’t remember parts of movies they did cause they don’t care much cause it’s just work
I just find it hard to imagine being upset at seeing a game he played 11 years ago showing up a second time. Even if someone does have a photographic memory, how could this possibly bother them?
Coleco was accused of intentionally making a bad port for the Intellivision because the version on their own ColecoVision was nearly 1:1 with the arcade. They sandbagged the Mattel job. Atari tried gaining the sole rights to publish the game from Nintendo, and had it for a _very short_ while, before the company underwent a change in Summer of '84, wherein all of those kinds of contracts were freed up.
One of my most embarrassing gaming confessions is that the first version of DOOM I ever played was on the 32X. For the longest time i actually thought that was the way the music was supposed to sound.
Oh man, imagine playing Fart Doom as your first Doom game My first one personally was the one included with Doom 3 BFG, 2 years later I found out that it was gutted to hell and I bought the original WADs from GOG
They have some entertainment value. They aren't the most accurate depictions and could have easily made a movie more in line with the comics or the cartoon series. It could have been a lot worse given the initial concept for Sonic himself. Or god forbid a movie adaptation of Sonic 06.
About the GB port of MK, it seems they spelled Rayden's name like that in the home ports because the Acclaim was afraid of getting sued by the makers of a schmup named Raiden. Ed Boon always hated the Y spelling and refused to change Raiden's name to be consistent with Acclaim's.
I grew up with an old Atari that was bought when it was on sale during the great video game crash. We had that Pacman and I found nothing wrong with it. No clue when I was 5 or 6 that Pacman normally didn't look like that. We also had Frogger and bunch of the other classic titles.
My family didn't have a computer that could run Doom back then, so the Super Nintendo was my only way of playing it. I loved this game so much, and it is indeed a miracle of a port. There's a video and a few pages that discuss how it was made. Apparently one of the tricks used was to make a lookup table that provided answers to a bunch of trigonometric calculations the game would need to do which would have been too intensive even for the SuperFX2 chip.
@@minimoose7772 Apparently SNES Doom does that for a number of recurring big numbers which otherwise would be demanding to crunch on the fly over and over, and it's such a fascinating yet obvious solution to a problem. It's like the original PC game's pseudo-RNG (a table of defined values for all kinds of damage rolls and other things which calls for randomization), but applied to the rendering. Randy Linden really is a genius.
Another bad port for doom is the 3DO port published by art data interactive. The CEO claimed that development was underway, which the sole developer of the port, Rebecca Heineman, found to be a total lie and was hit with a 10 week deadline. She then scrambled to make a port out of the pc and jaguar source code supplied by id software directly. It's a miracle the port happened at all considering the circumstances.
Digital Eclipse (also known as Backbone Entertainment) is actually a fairly well-regarded developer for arcade ports to consoles (often based on actual source code), their Atari and Williams ports to the SNES are near arcade-perfect, they did all sorts of fantastic ports like X-Men and Marvel Vs Capcom 2 and Symphony of the Night on the Xbox 360, they just also made pure trash for portable systems Also worth noting: Athena on NES was considered one of the worst video games ever made by Seanbaby, an early internet comedian and staffer at Electronic Gaming Monthly whose entire specific job with the magazine was to review and be an expert in terrible games.
I absolutely love the streets of rage soundtracks and hearing it reduced to beeps and boops on the dreamcast is dissapointing. The devs didn't emulate the FM synthesis at all. They didn't even try recreating the soundtrack with FM samples. The dreamcast used CDs for the games, right? The devs could've ripped the music from the original game and use CD audio for the soundtracks.
I suspect the entire emulator and game is loaded into ram and making music play separately would be tricky to do without introducing loading or music looping awkwardly
All the Streets of Rage games have amazing soundtracks (though SOR3 is a bit weird, love the character select theme tho), Streets of Rage 4 is amazing, the unnoficial Streets of Rage remake is worth checking out too if you can find it
Coleco had a pretty good port of Sega's Zaxxon for their Colecovision. Then they decided to port it to the Atari 2600 and the Intellivision. They made the bizarre decision to make them in a 3D perspective. Talk about a bad port. Woof. By the way, there's a homebrew of Donkey Kong on the Atari 2600, it's practically identical to the arcade game other than the first level's girders aren't tilted and the level scrolls. It's completely amazing what skilled programmers can do with enough time.
You know something's messed up when retro stores sell the Gameboy port of MK1 for more money than the SNES port. The SNES version isn't great, but it's still somewhat playable and looks fine. Yet somehow that port, last I checked for cart only, costs HALF the price of the GB version lmao Edit: I really enjoyed this segment btw! Would love to see more of this.
Vin, that version of Pac-Mac was the one I had, I'm strangely nostalgic for it. (We had a Snes too, but also an Atari 2600, so thankfully it wasn't 'all' we had)
Man, this is such a great idea for a segment. The home computers alone are full of games that would be perfect for this. Here are a few examples, all for the C64. After Burner (US Version) Bionic Commando (US Version) Castlevania Chase HQ Double Dragon Gryzor Mario Bros. (Ocean) Rolling Thunder Street Fighter (any of them)
29:28 I work in paint mixing at my local Lowe's and idk if that's so much a Periwinkle as opposed to a Peridee's which is more expensive to mix but looks good on shutters
Mortal Kombat II on the gameboy is the best portable one. The controls are smooth and responsive, the framerate is smooth, the hit detection is spot on!
The best ports were the Jaguar and PS. Jaguar Doom literally laid the groundwork for all home console ports of Doom until the OG Xbox port bundled with Doom 3. ... This despite the fact that the playstation apparently could've actually handled the geometry of the DOS version (as evidenced by the inclusion of most of Doom 2 and Final Doom unaltered, as well as the entirety of Quake 2 and MoH) but Carmack was insistent on the technical end of things.
@@warbossgegguz679 The PSX port slows down noticeably in the Doom 2 and Final Doom levels, and in Thy Flesh Consumed too for that matter, as those were not cut down nearly as much. The Final Doom port also cuts out almost all of Plutonia's levels, replacing most of them with maps from the _vastly_ inferior Master Levels. In fairness, the PSX wasn't equipped to handle the Arch-Vile enemy, or a great variety of enemies and textures in one level at a time, so it couldn't do much of Plutonia any good justice anyway, but it's still like expecting a steak and getting a hotdog when it comes to that part. I like the PSX ports a lot, honestly, they're a good take on Doom overall, but I have my nitpick. The Final Doom port does support using the PSX mouse though, which is _hyper cool._
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine To my understanding they were working on remaking doom proper, but carmack found the source code of Jaguar doom and mandated they use that instead.
@@warbossgegguz679 It worked well enough, and saved them some time. Maybe a better port could be done, but 5th gen consoles were just bottlenecked by memory limitations in what they could really do with Doom, hence I think Doom on the PSX (or N64 for that matter), are not just quite good for what they are, but also pretty impressive overall.
My introduction to the Sonic franchise was through the GBA ports and the Advance series, and I loved them as a kid. But my brain very clearly repressed the horrible mixing of the OST for the GBA ports because holy I swear they did NOT sound like that.
Man talking about games you grew up with while playing 2600 pac man. That was one of the first games I played the heck out of, at like the age of 4. I played until I got a high score like every day. Literally didn't know any better. It was what you had, and you loved it. I was 5 when I got an NES for my birthday and got to move on to the good stuff.
I had Mortal Kombat on Gameboy, I bought it with my own birthday money when I saw it at the store. I thought "no way I can't believe they actually ported MK 1 + 2 for GB!!" and yeah, fuck that game. I played it a couple times and then just turned it on to hear the music sometimes
In hindsight it's actually pretty interesting how much cheap GBA ports and other shovelware titles on the platform presaged the exact type of game design you'd see with bad official Flash games and bad mobile games.
I mean, you say that, but most of the GBA "ports" shown here or that I like to point out to people are WAY higher effort than they have any right to be. I mean, outside of MK Advance and Sonic Genesis, you had attempts at adapting full 3D fighting games to a 4 button 32-ish bit handheld and doing so astoundingly well. Granted, uncle Ed was invested in the project because he was genuinely ashamed and pissed at how MKA ended up (Especially since he and the actual MK team had 0 involvement with it). IDK I think it's more of a case of "you can tell who cared and/or knew what they were doing and who didn't".
Handheld gaming was always kind of like that. It's kind of been lost to time, but the original Game Boy was despised by a good chunk of the mainstream gaming press for the majority of its run, much in the same way that many mobile games are looked down upon today. The GB had a strong showing in its initial few years, but then as the 16-bit console generation took off, it became a dumping ground for shoestring budget licensed trash. I remember reading year-end system reviews in EGM during the mid '90s where they'd lament how Nintendo refused to put it out to pasture and deliver something better. Pokemon being such a late release in the US makes it kind of an interesting system from a retrospective point of view. It had a strong showing on debut and a strong end, but there were a few years in the middle where it was an afterthought at best.
JESUS CHRIST, i already knew about the bad sound emulation of Sega Smash Pack with Sonic 1 and SOR2 often being brought up as examples of that, but to hear that with Shining Force it straight up blasts into your ears with those ridiculously loud PSG sounds. And they were just fine releasing something like that at the end of the console's life lmao. Edit: Yeah, definitely shouldn't throw that term with the word around like that.
I grew up with Doom on SNES. It was the only way I played Doom for about two decades. I loved it a lot as a kid and I still don't think it's a bad port really. It's worse than the PC version obviously but for what it is, it's solid. Also the music is incredible
It's like the government cheese version of Doom, not the one you go looking for when seeking the quality experience, but it's a lot cheaper, and it's honestly not bad for what it is.
Nah, it's pretty bad. It's like Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the SNES. We can talk all we want about how they're "impressive" but if they're barely playable then there's only so far you can take it.
People gotta stop sending him Sonic Genesis LOL like, you have to be a pretty big Sonic nerd to notice the physics changes, not to mention all the extra needed context of knowing it's made from the Sonic Advance engine (a game Vinny will never play) and the knowledge that it gets worse as you progress (especially Labyrinth zone). Basically it's not a game an all-around game enjoyer like Vinny can play and immediately notice all of the reasons it's a bad port. Like it's easy at a glance to see why MK on Game Boy is putrid. But aside from the screen crunch, you can't really expect him to see why Sonic Genesis is bad or have much to say aside from him really needing chat to give context.
When I saw the logo I immediately thought of that youtuber currently working on Portal64, it's amazing seeing it run on a real N64 but I don't remember if he has released the beta to the public yet.
Fun fact about that Sega Smashpack: Its release is the reason why Dreamcast preservation is as easy as it is today. There's a MVG video all about it that you can find easily.
I can't believe SNES Doom looks so bad. I rented it once or twice and never had a thought of it looking like. We used to have to put in so much more imagination while we played the games back then.
dear gods, I'm glad I passed on the Dreamcast Sega Smash Pack when it was new. I lucked out and got both volumes on PC and the sound quality was so much better holy hell
The PC Engine version of Athena was the first game EVER to have lyrics in the soundtrack in-game, and it's a banger. FY-AHHH FYY-AHHH PSycho Soldierrrrr
Psycho soldier theme didn't show up until Psycho Soldier, which was the first game to have sung lyrics in its music. Special editions of Athena for the NES came with a cassette version of the psycho soldier theme included, but it wasn't actually in the game regardless of platform. Psycho Soldier also being the game that Athena and Sie are from. Athena Asamiya is a descendent of the Athena in the first game.
Doom I and II on the GBA are also rather impressive, Doom II in particular since it doesn't have any exclusions IIRC. Doom I has no cyberdemon or spider mastermind boss fights but retains most of everything else plus cheat codes
Seeing the Atari Double Dragon enemies doing frame perfect footsies like theyre in EVO Grand Finals and just obliterating Vinny gave me the giggles so hard I had to pause the video
Iirc Id wasn't even considering trying to port Doom to the SNES. The whole thing was done by one guy in his spare time without any help from Id or access to the source code on some weird SNES-Amiga hybrid he had hacked togheter. The first Id knew about it was when he sent them it to them asking if they would let him publish it.
Imagine sending a fan port to a triple A company nowadays, they'd sue you to death. And before someone replies "Nintendo" yes I'm aware, I'm not un-specifying to be nice to them, I'm being general bc there HAS to be more overly franchise-possessive companies than just them
I'm a huge fighting game fan super pumped for Street Fighter 6. I can't usually get my fighting game fix from Vin, so I'm pumped he's going to play SF6.
SNES Doom makes me super fucking motion sick. Still does, but it was BAAAAAD when I was a kid. Used to get a liter of Dr. Pepper and a Moon Pie with my video game rentals back in the day and this is the game that put me off of those for life because I got so sick while eating them and playing.
Deadly Alliance on GBA I havent played but it looks like it has some effort put in. And it looks like it emulates the ps2 game fairly well in how it plays.
will you also be including the Saints Row 1+2 mobile phone ports? id reccomend playing the originals if you havent yet, but the ports definetly are something.
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@@Ekstromer64 What will you do if he doesn't?
Somebody, please set up an Amiga emulator and send Vinny a pack full of nothing but game ports to the Amiga. He will break instantly.
Street Fighter 2 and the other Street Fighter 2: Human Killing Machine by Tiertex
Anything by US Gold or Ocean and he will realize that LJN was a quality company compared to those.
Especially Castlevania 1
If he's able to handle those atrocious loading times, that is
Only game by US Gold I played was Flashback, which was amazing.
Coleco's Donkey Kong port is part of one of the most important legal cases in video game history. Nintendo had given Coleco exclusive rights for console ports of Donkey Kong in the US (the 2600 version was also made by Coleco). It was popular enough that Universal Pictures, owners of the King Kong IP, caught notice of it. Universal went after Coleco, claiming infringement on King Kong. Coleco caved without contacting Nintendo and agreed to give Universal 3% of sales of the Coleco Donkey Kong as royalties. Universal went after Nintendo after that, telling Nintendo that Coleco had already agreed to pay royalties. However, Nintendo didn't back down. By the time the dust settled in 83, Nintendo had legally eviscerated Universal and Coleco was fading with the video game crash. Howard Lincoln not only kept Nintendo from having to pay royalties, but it turned out that Universal themselves no longer properly owned the rights to King Kong. This positioned Nintendo at the top of the heap at the most ideal time, when the Famicom was preparing to drop and their potential competition in the market had all immolated themselves.
A lot of these ports are akin to someone telling you they can shove their entire arm down their own throat before actually doing it. It's an impressive sight at the technical level, you're left admiring the flexibility and how it all works. But the experience of just seeing things in action makes you feel uncomfortable and almost everyone is fine seeing it happen once and never again.
How disgustingly accurate
I feel like a few of them are things I would've genuinely enjoyed on handhelds as a kid, but unlike their original versions I'd never go back to them. I'd rather watch streamers or let's players suffer through them
That's put so oddly, but its so accurate. These games are like Jurassic Park. Just because you can...
If SNES doom was made in 2023 it would be on a youtube video called 'How I made doom on the SNES' with a screenshot of the game and the doom guy's face with wide eyes and a big red arrow pointing to the snes logo and the video would be 7 minutes long with a guy with some random european accent explaining how he did it with flashy editing and that thing where the text appears word by word flashing up on the screen and the comments will be like 'bravo sir, you truly are one of the best programmers of all time' and 'wtf I wish we could travel in time and have this, my past self would have loved this'
And he won't talk about the technical side of it at all
@@ryanb8302 because talking about the technical side of it would make it seem less impressive.
@@JacobKinsley or talking about 65c816 assembly doesnt get clickbait views
5:39: The original programmer of Doom for the SNES stated that it is theoretically possible to either double the framerate or the resolution of the port. He will eventually do it.
If doubling the framerate part is accurate that would easily put among the best doom ports. And it's arguably already better than 3do and Saturn ports.
@@arciks11 agreed.full stages just make it the best
Considering how the code can basically be broken down to machine readable bits that any sort of device can understand and execute, I can believe them.
Granted, parts of the game are written in a slightly different language, so ports aren't 100% straightforward.
SNES Doom has much better sounding music than on other systems. Was the first version of Doom I ever played, didn't really notice how bad the frame rate was until I'd played a bit of Fears on Amiga (with a 68030) then went back to Doom
Yoko Shimomura is one of the best video game composers of all time. As much as I loved seeing her play piano live at one of the Kingdom Hearts concerts, I wish there was a more overall concert of her work (her Smash Bros. arrangements, the Street Fighter II soundtrack, the Mario + Luigi soundtracks, Xenoblade…) There’s so much she’s done that people don’t even realize is her.
shimomura only did eleven tracks for xenoblade, tho they are really good. also wasn't that big of a fan of here work in superstar saga, the tracks were just too short for my taste. later M&L games are pretty much perfect tho.
@@poudink5791 The final boss theme she made for Bowser's Inside Story is a legit banger.
She's not credited for street fighter 2 at all because of dumb archaic tradition stuff iirc
She did Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts, too, which are the biggest names.
Parasite Eve was my introduction to Shimomura's work.
could've called it "port-a potty"
I thought it was going to be called "Port Hub."
Both are so good
Eh, port hole is good.
I agree, Port Hole is the best,especially with the Portal inspired logo.
This is vinjot, not fecalfunny
I love this segment idea so much. There's certainly no shortage of potential content.
I just hope barnyard acknowledges ambitions/good ports alongside the comically bad ones.
Deadly Alliance is a perfect example of what I mean. I hope he looks at Tekken Advance and SFA3 on the GBA.
The guy who came up with the name "port hole" on the spot in vinny's chat must feel really smug now
Crazy how vinny buys every single one of these cartridges and dumps the roms himself just for us
HE BUYS THESE?!
@@notdanielmelo6359 it's a joke
@@notdanielmelo6359why do I have the sudden urge to say
“R/woooooooosh”
Silence, redditor. Your reddit reference is less funny than the joke @@FatTundra64
@@HauntedHoard ironically
I have no clue how Reddit works
I’m just waiting for someone to do the job of posting it for me (I’m kidding lol)
3:43 That was me in 1995. I didn't have a good enough computer for proper Doom but really wanted it, so had to settle for the Super NES port, which I grew to love as I really only saw it as just a chance to play Doom.
And maybe after Vinny streams the 3DO port, he should give the Saturn version a go. It would put THIS port in a new light...
Had to go look up the fatalities for Mortal Kombat IV on GBC. Those are something else, it's a shame he didn't bring up a video of them. They were just the grainiest 8 frame FMV's of a generic finishing move ranging from "fuzzy blob throws fuzzy blob at other fuzzier blob and then fuzzier blob gets bigger" to "well shit subzero actually rips that guy's head off." They all then end with a blood splatter transition effect they paid a 6 year old at least half of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (made with generic store brand ingredients) to make in Kidpix on his Mac Classic II.
Lol kid pix is a great art program. I have kid pix for DOS and it's pretty cool.
12:44 I love that Liu Kang has one giant beaver tooth
What a highly-specific-to-my-interests topic this is, I eagerly await at least 30 of these
When I was like 6 or 7, my Dad brought me a copy of Oddworld: Munch’s Odyssee for the GBA that he quote “found in a gas station bathroom.” I played it for 5 minutes, got stuck on the part where I had to collect 20 boogers to open a door, and never touched it again
Shame it was such a jank port when the GBC ports/spinoffs of Abe's Oddyssee were so good.
Hope you played the real game at some point.
this genuinely sounds like a setup to a creepypasta
1:15:14 The MD emu used in SSP originated on Dream Passport 3, a browser with a service called *Dream Library* which allowed DC owners to play MD games with 150 Yen for a week. The service lasted until 2003 in favor of Sega Game Honpo for PC.
As a huge Shining Force fan who intimately knows what all the original music sounds like, that last segment took 10 years off my life in the middle of work
I felt the same when it came to Sonic 1.
Like, Sonic 1 is my least favorite good classic sonic game, and hearing what they did to my boy just hurt my soul. Ditto to Streets of Rage 2, a game that I have no attachment or nostalgia towards but I knew that the series is known for it's great music so hearing that was just... Rough...
I’d lose my mind if Vinny played SF or SFII! Sad that the bad port has potentially turned him off of it 😭
watch out for shining force fans, there's 5 of us
i'm gonna admit, half of it wasn't that far off from the original music, but that intro and main menu theme made my ears bleed
i was not expecting that sound quality💀
I remember making that first 3DO pack while cooped up post surgery. I remember being so happy that Vin ended up playing it lmfao.
Happy to hear it still gets referenced here every once and a while.
Hope you are in good health :>
bro just gets to flex they went through surgery like that lmao
Seriously, congratulations, hope you're feeling better :)
Thanks to both of y'all. Trust me, it's no flex to shatter every bone in your leg but I'm doing semi better. Still disabled tho but making it work!
The best part about the Sonic in the logo being on the wrong layer. That's apparently what happens when you enable "no sprite limit" in the emulator. Even the more recent Sega Genesis Classics Collection (the one that was released on consoles and stuff), has that issue. Paid official compilation on an Xbox One/PS4/PC....and even it still has that issue.
I have to agree with vinny with the "the worst sonic enemy is sega", sega most of the time do all the things to make this series fails with time limits and low budget, i dont like the idea of people saying Nintendo should get the ip because this means all sonic games go on will be Nintendo exclusive with is a terrible thing.
Sonic team can make good games but they need like alot of re cast and investment to do
Doom on SNES may run poorly but its inclusion of almost all the PC content and even online multiplayer are admirable, and the fact it runs at-all is a technical marvel.
Also its source code was recently released so an improvement hack is very possible. The 32X version got an amazing overhaul that brings it up to par with the PSX port.
it had online multiplayer? How?
@@bodhidaruma2824 There was a modem addon for the super Nintendo
@@skinwalker69420 This is news to me. How many games were even supported? I'm guessing Mario Kart?
@@Shmandalf It wasn't official. Mario Kart wasn't supported.
@@skinwalker69420 If you are talking about the Xband snes modem, Mario Kart was suported
It always makes me laugh when people are like "HyOw cEn BiNtY fRoGeT dEeS GYAEM?! He play eet beforrrre!" One person I saw even accused him of potentially having early onset Alzheimer's. The man has been playing trash for 13 years now, and literally hundreds of games have passed before his eyes. He's not going to remember everything, it's impossible. The people who say that humans have infinite capacity for memory and knowledge don't understand that is physically impossible.
It can just be that some games really aren't that notable to the point that your brain just doesn't tie the memories of playing the game to anything.
A person with an eidetic or photographic memory may be able to recall more information because of how those connections in your brain work.
To us, we know what games vinny has played by just googling that information. Or maybe a stranger happens upon a vod and then joins a stream with the same game.
I think people don’t understand it’s more of a job and he won’t remember much, kinda like Movie stars who don’t remember parts of movies they did cause they don’t care much cause it’s just work
people also dont realize us fans have watched and rewatched vins streams countless times, while he has not
Vinny doesn't even remember games he likes fully, i don't blame him if he forgets garbage
I just find it hard to imagine being upset at seeing a game he played 11 years ago showing up a second time.
Even if someone does have a photographic memory, how could this possibly bother them?
I used to own an iPod Nano with the port of Sonic 1 on it. No joke, that version is probably closer to the original than the GBA is.
I genuinely thought Vinny would forget about that one chat members comment yet here we are.
I really hope this a long running segment
Someone PLEASE send him Oh Shit for the MSX. It's literally just Pacman but he says Oh Shit when you die
"This is Paul-Joey-Willy-and-Frankie"
Joel's time playing it was amazing
Coleco was accused of intentionally making a bad port for the Intellivision because the version on their own ColecoVision was nearly 1:1 with the arcade. They sandbagged the Mattel job. Atari tried gaining the sole rights to publish the game from Nintendo, and had it for a _very short_ while, before the company underwent a change in Summer of '84, wherein all of those kinds of contracts were freed up.
28:53 I wasn't mentally prepared for that DK sprite. Frog Kong.
You can fill these segments up entirely with Commodore 64, DOS, and Amiga ports.
If there's more stuff out there on par with _Castlevania_ and its PC speaker cover of "Vampire Killer", sign me up.
The Akira port for Amiga.....
Im so glad that chatmembers idea for PortHole actually came to life, love this community
One of my most embarrassing gaming confessions is that the first version of DOOM I ever played was on the 32X. For the longest time i actually thought that was the way the music was supposed to sound.
Given the circumstances the 32X port is actually not bad. Music sucks but for a rush job it could have been much worse.
@@williamsmith666 The music sounds like someone shitting in a metal tube but the game is fairly smooth.
I feel you on that but I played the gba port
My first doom game was doom 1 on the gba, so i feel your pain.
Oh man, imagine playing Fart Doom as your first Doom game
My first one personally was the one included with Doom 3 BFG, 2 years later I found out that it was gutted to hell and I bought the original WADs from GOG
I wasn't emotionally prepared to deal with that "well I like the movies" line with regards to Sonic
They have some entertainment value.
They aren't the most accurate depictions and could have easily made a movie more in line with the comics or the cartoon series.
It could have been a lot worse given the initial concept for Sonic himself.
Or god forbid a movie adaptation of Sonic 06.
@@tomd96 Oh no I just mean it makes me feel old and out of touch being reminded they exist lol
About the GB port of MK, it seems they spelled Rayden's name like that in the home ports because the Acclaim was afraid of getting sued by the makers of a schmup named Raiden.
Ed Boon always hated the Y spelling and refused to change Raiden's name to be consistent with Acclaim's.
Raiden is an excellent game, too! And its SNES port is worthy of appearing on this segment lol
dawg
I grew up with an old Atari that was bought when it was on sale during the great video game crash. We had that Pacman and I found nothing wrong with it. No clue when I was 5 or 6 that Pacman normally didn't look like that. We also had Frogger and bunch of the other classic titles.
My family didn't have a computer that could run Doom back then, so the Super Nintendo was my only way of playing it. I loved this game so much, and it is indeed a miracle of a port. There's a video and a few pages that discuss how it was made. Apparently one of the tricks used was to make a lookup table that provided answers to a bunch of trigonometric calculations the game would need to do which would have been too intensive even for the SuperFX2 chip.
It was also the first ever console game with a dedicated online mode. If you plugged it into the online adapter, it would boot into deathmatch mode.
@@KopperNeoman First ever console FPS with online, but I think there's some more rudimentary console games with netplay that go back further.
@@minimoose7772 Apparently SNES Doom does that for a number of recurring big numbers which otherwise would be demanding to crunch on the fly over and over, and it's such a fascinating yet obvious solution to a problem.
It's like the original PC game's pseudo-RNG (a table of defined values for all kinds of damage rolls and other things which calls for randomization), but applied to the rendering.
Randy Linden really is a genius.
Let it be known that Vinny is a man of his word. John Chat sent in his segment after Vinny challenged him, and now it’s a segment.
Another bad port for doom is the 3DO port published by art data interactive. The CEO claimed that development was underway, which the sole developer of the port, Rebecca Heineman, found to be a total lie and was hit with a 10 week deadline. She then scrambled to make a port out of the pc and jaguar source code supplied by id software directly. It's a miracle the port happened at all considering the circumstances.
>Vinny genuinely believes that a Mortal Kombat reboot means the original and the previous reboot's continuity is thrown out the window
Reboots usually do that. Mortal Kombat doesn't, but reboots usually do.
Digital Eclipse (also known as Backbone Entertainment) is actually a fairly well-regarded developer for arcade ports to consoles (often based on actual source code), their Atari and Williams ports to the SNES are near arcade-perfect, they did all sorts of fantastic ports like X-Men and Marvel Vs Capcom 2 and Symphony of the Night on the Xbox 360, they just also made pure trash for portable systems
Also worth noting: Athena on NES was considered one of the worst video games ever made by Seanbaby, an early internet comedian and staffer at Electronic Gaming Monthly whose entire specific job with the magazine was to review and be an expert in terrible games.
I absolutely love the streets of rage soundtracks and hearing it reduced to beeps and boops on the dreamcast is dissapointing. The devs didn't emulate the FM synthesis at all. They didn't even try recreating the soundtrack with FM samples.
The dreamcast used CDs for the games, right? The devs could've ripped the music from the original game and use CD audio for the soundtracks.
Thats what I was about to comment, if they really couldn't get a competent sound driver working in time why didnt they just play audio off the CD?
I suspect the entire emulator and game is loaded into ram and making music play separately would be tricky to do without introducing loading or music looping awkwardly
Mega Drive emulation was a different beast back in, like, 1999. They kinda just didn't care.
All the Streets of Rage games have amazing soundtracks (though SOR3 is a bit weird, love the character select theme tho), Streets of Rage 4 is amazing, the unnoficial Streets of Rage remake is worth checking out too if you can find it
Coleco had a pretty good port of Sega's Zaxxon for their Colecovision. Then they decided to port it to the Atari 2600 and the Intellivision. They made the bizarre decision to make them in a 3D perspective. Talk about a bad port. Woof.
By the way, there's a homebrew of Donkey Kong on the Atari 2600, it's practically identical to the arcade game other than the first level's girders aren't tilted and the level scrolls. It's completely amazing what skilled programmers can do with enough time.
You know something's messed up when retro stores sell the Gameboy port of MK1 for more money than the SNES port. The SNES version isn't great, but it's still somewhat playable and looks fine. Yet somehow that port, last I checked for cart only, costs HALF the price of the GB version lmao
Edit: I really enjoyed this segment btw! Would love to see more of this.
Vin, that version of Pac-Mac was the one I had, I'm strangely nostalgic for it. (We had a Snes too, but also an Atari 2600, so thankfully it wasn't 'all' we had)
Man, this is such a great idea for a segment. The home computers alone are full of games that would be perfect for this. Here are a few examples, all for the C64.
After Burner (US Version)
Bionic Commando (US Version)
Castlevania
Chase HQ
Double Dragon
Gryzor
Mario Bros. (Ocean)
Rolling Thunder
Street Fighter (any of them)
Vinny: playing this is a nightmare
Me: I know, that's why I just display the console
The Atari DK port is the origin of that stock video game sound we hear when a cartoon character is playing any sort of video game.
I long for the day we get a shitty NDS games segment and Vinny has to play the DS version of Need for Speed Most Wanted
29:28 I work in paint mixing at my local Lowe's and idk if that's so much a Periwinkle as opposed to a Peridee's which is more expensive to mix but looks good on shutters
Mortal Kombat II on the gameboy is the best portable one. The controls are smooth and responsive, the framerate is smooth, the hit detection is spot on!
A cruel irony is that SNES Doom was one of the best homeconsole ports of it
The best ports were the Jaguar and PS. Jaguar Doom literally laid the groundwork for all home console ports of Doom until the OG Xbox port bundled with Doom 3.
... This despite the fact that the playstation apparently could've actually handled the geometry of the DOS version (as evidenced by the inclusion of most of Doom 2 and Final Doom unaltered, as well as the entirety of Quake 2 and MoH) but Carmack was insistent on the technical end of things.
@@warbossgegguz679 The PSX port slows down noticeably in the Doom 2 and Final Doom levels, and in Thy Flesh Consumed too for that matter, as those were not cut down nearly as much.
The Final Doom port also cuts out almost all of Plutonia's levels, replacing most of them with maps from the _vastly_ inferior Master Levels. In fairness, the PSX wasn't equipped to handle the Arch-Vile enemy, or a great variety of enemies and textures in one level at a time, so it couldn't do much of Plutonia any good justice anyway, but it's still like expecting a steak and getting a hotdog when it comes to that part.
I like the PSX ports a lot, honestly, they're a good take on Doom overall, but I have my nitpick. The Final Doom port does support using the PSX mouse though, which is _hyper cool._
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine To my understanding they were working on remaking doom proper, but carmack found the source code of Jaguar doom and mandated they use that instead.
@@warbossgegguz679 It worked well enough, and saved them some time. Maybe a better port could be done, but 5th gen consoles were just bottlenecked by memory limitations in what they could really do with Doom, hence I think Doom on the PSX (or N64 for that matter), are not just quite good for what they are, but also pretty impressive overall.
My introduction to the Sonic franchise was through the GBA ports and the Advance series, and I loved them as a kid. But my brain very clearly repressed the horrible mixing of the OST for the GBA ports because holy I swear they did NOT sound like that.
Sonic Advance was good shit. Sonic 1 on its engine was arse.
Hell, even Sonic 1 levels in Sonic 2's engine shatter horribly.
That's cool that he got some good ones to compare them
the birth of a new saga
Losing my mind over this Streets of Rage 2 soundtrack
The streets are raging alright, outraged at how the sound emulation massacred every soundtrack!
Man talking about games you grew up with while playing 2600 pac man. That was one of the first games I played the heck out of, at like the age of 4. I played until I got a high score like every day.
Literally didn't know any better. It was what you had, and you loved it.
I was 5 when I got an NES for my birthday and got to move on to the good stuff.
I had Mortal Kombat on Gameboy, I bought it with my own birthday money when I saw it at the store. I thought "no way I can't believe they actually ported MK 1 + 2 for GB!!" and yeah, fuck that game. I played it a couple times and then just turned it on to hear the music sometimes
Mortal Kombat 2 for Gameboy actually plays very well 🙂
Atari pacman is great for those sound effects. dank dank dank dank dank
BOOOOP!
I actually owned Mortal Kombat 4 for GBC as a kid. One of those games I will never regret selling to GameStop for some pocket lint.
Love me some dirty sad man music
A Porthole to shitty ports has been opened
This is gonna be a cool section for sundays
In hindsight it's actually pretty interesting how much cheap GBA ports and other shovelware titles on the platform presaged the exact type of game design you'd see with bad official Flash games and bad mobile games.
Quantity over quality
I mean, you say that, but most of the GBA "ports" shown here or that I like to point out to people are WAY higher effort than they have any right to be.
I mean, outside of MK Advance and Sonic Genesis, you had attempts at adapting full 3D fighting games to a 4 button 32-ish bit handheld and doing so astoundingly well. Granted, uncle Ed was invested in the project because he was genuinely ashamed and pissed at how MKA ended up (Especially since he and the actual MK team had 0 involvement with it).
IDK I think it's more of a case of "you can tell who cared and/or knew what they were doing and who didn't".
@@warbossgegguz679
The quality difference definitely showed in Deadly Alliance compared to Mortal Kombat Advance.
Handheld gaming was always kind of like that. It's kind of been lost to time, but the original Game Boy was despised by a good chunk of the mainstream gaming press for the majority of its run, much in the same way that many mobile games are looked down upon today. The GB had a strong showing in its initial few years, but then as the 16-bit console generation took off, it became a dumping ground for shoestring budget licensed trash. I remember reading year-end system reviews in EGM during the mid '90s where they'd lament how Nintendo refused to put it out to pasture and deliver something better.
Pokemon being such a late release in the US makes it kind of an interesting system from a retrospective point of view. It had a strong showing on debut and a strong end, but there were a few years in the middle where it was an afterthought at best.
Race drivin' may be a bad port, but it's still playable. Most people simply don't realize you need to keep your speed low when golng over the hills.
The Game Boy port is insane compared to the SNES version
JESUS CHRIST, i already knew about the bad sound emulation of Sega Smash Pack with Sonic 1 and SOR2 often being brought up as examples of that, but to hear that with Shining Force it straight up blasts into your ears with those ridiculously loud PSG sounds. And they were just fine releasing something like that at the end of the console's life lmao.
Edit: Yeah, definitely shouldn't throw that term with the word around like that.
I grew up with Doom on SNES. It was the only way I played Doom for about two decades. I loved it a lot as a kid and I still don't think it's a bad port really. It's worse than the PC version obviously but for what it is, it's solid. Also the music is incredible
It's like the government cheese version of Doom, not the one you go looking for when seeking the quality experience, but it's a lot cheaper, and it's honestly not bad for what it is.
Nah, it's pretty bad. It's like Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the SNES. We can talk all we want about how they're "impressive" but if they're barely playable then there's only so far you can take it.
People gotta stop sending him Sonic Genesis LOL like, you have to be a pretty big Sonic nerd to notice the physics changes, not to mention all the extra needed context of knowing it's made from the Sonic Advance engine (a game Vinny will never play) and the knowledge that it gets worse as you progress (especially Labyrinth zone). Basically it's not a game an all-around game enjoyer like Vinny can play and immediately notice all of the reasons it's a bad port. Like it's easy at a glance to see why MK on Game Boy is putrid. But aside from the screen crunch, you can't really expect him to see why Sonic Genesis is bad or have much to say aside from him really needing chat to give context.
I felt similarly about the mortal Kombat 1 snes being here. You have to be fairly familiar to detect what’s wrong with it.
I agree, but you do INSTANTLY notice the audio at least.
@@noobishmacgamingI mean, in all fairness even the arcade original MK has aged like milk.
When I saw the logo I immediately thought of that youtuber currently working on Portal64, it's amazing seeing it run on a real N64 but I don't remember if he has released the beta to the public yet.
He has
oh my god he actually did porthole
Ah! Atari 2600 pacman with the combo in the middle for pac man to eat.
this segment reminds me of all those old DS games that were just 2d ports of 3d Wii games.
Fun fact about that Sega Smashpack: Its release is the reason why Dreamcast preservation is as easy as it is today. There's a MVG video all about it that you can find easily.
1:10:13 I was searching for this game I don't know for how long, I loved playing it as a kid
I can't believe SNES Doom looks so bad. I rented it once or twice and never had a thought of it looking like. We used to have to put in so much more imagination while we played the games back then.
Playing on an old CRT definitely helped cover up its rough spots.
These are perfect games to fit in my port hole
Earthworm Jim 1 and 2 on the GBA. There's also ports on the GameGear and GameBoy too. Max Payne on the GBA is interesting.
dear gods, I'm glad I passed on the Dreamcast Sega Smash Pack when it was new. I lucked out and got both volumes on PC and the sound quality was so much better holy hell
The PC Engine version of Athena was the first game EVER to have lyrics in the soundtrack in-game, and it's a banger.
FY-AHHH FYY-AHHH PSycho Soldierrrrr
The NES version, however, is irredeemable ass.
Psycho soldier theme didn't show up until Psycho Soldier, which was the first game to have sung lyrics in its music. Special editions of Athena for the NES came with a cassette version of the psycho soldier theme included, but it wasn't actually in the game regardless of platform.
Psycho Soldier also being the game that Athena and Sie are from. Athena Asamiya is a descendent of the Athena in the first game.
@@warbossgegguz679 Ah, you're right. Sorry, Team South Town over here. Not a Team Psycho Soldier main, haha.
@@JadeFoxAlpha neither am I, lol. Just a huge SNK nerd.
@@warbossgegguz679 You sir, are OKEH.
"Doom is the patron saint of Port Hole" hit me right through the italian, catholic-raised part of my heart.
Doom I and II on the GBA are also rather impressive, Doom II in particular since it doesn't have any exclusions IIRC. Doom I has no cyberdemon or spider mastermind boss fights but retains most of everything else plus cheat codes
athena nes looks like it would be on a plug and play. i mean the jump sound is spot on
I heard u talk about this last week and am excited
thanks vinny for uploading vids on youtube.
Wow, I had the Sega Smash Pack and didn't notice the audio _at all_ back then. Played through all of Shining Force and everything.
I envy you, the sounds from the pack made me go AAAC AAAC.
Seeing the Atari Double Dragon enemies doing frame perfect footsies like theyre in EVO Grand Finals and just obliterating Vinny gave me the giggles so hard I had to pause the video
The best part was the stylus outro. Lmao
I played Sonic 1 on Java and it actually wasn't terrible. Some sprite jank and slowdowns but apart from that pretty damn good port
Funny thing about Sonic the Hedgehog on the Game Boy Advance, it was released on the exact same day as the abominable Sonic '06.
"Happy birthday Sonic!" said SEGA management while violently shitting on the poor guy
you can see in the ms pac-man port, black lines on the left side of the screen, which is basically what happened when the code failed to race the beam
Man this segment will be great showing horrible ports of games that were on Game Gear or Game Boy
"Shoot till the enemy dies."
Never woulda thought to do that.
Wow I didn’t know Danganronpa 1 Game Over sounds came from Donkey Kong on Atari 2600
Iirc Id wasn't even considering trying to port Doom to the SNES. The whole thing was done by one guy in his spare time without any help from Id or access to the source code on some weird SNES-Amiga hybrid he had hacked togheter. The first Id knew about it was when he sent them it to them asking if they would let him publish it.
Imagine sending a fan port to a triple A company nowadays, they'd sue you to death. And before someone replies "Nintendo" yes I'm aware, I'm not un-specifying to be nice to them, I'm being general bc there HAS to be more overly franchise-possessive companies than just them
Randy Linden is a hell of a cool guy.
He tried something simillar with Quake on GBA but that didn't pan out into proper release.
I like this new segment
At leats the music from Mortal Kombat 1 on game boy sounds lit 🔥
I'm a huge fighting game fan super pumped for Street Fighter 6. I can't usually get my fighting game fix from Vin, so I'm pumped he's going to play SF6.
MK Deadly Alliance on GBA actually looks decent. I remember loving the game on xbox.
SNES Doom makes me super fucking motion sick. Still does, but it was BAAAAAD when I was a kid. Used to get a liter of Dr. Pepper and a Moon Pie with my video game rentals back in the day and this is the game that put me off of those for life because I got so sick while eating them and playing.
Deadly Alliance on GBA I havent played but it looks like it has some effort put in. And it looks like it emulates the ps2 game fairly well in how it plays.
It was definitely a great game for a portable system at the time, much better than the first MK on the OG GB
will you also be including the Saints Row 1+2 mobile phone ports? id reccomend playing the originals if you havent yet, but the ports definetly are something.
port hole is a new favorite easily
I like this segment