How This Film Erased Asian-Americans From Their Own Story
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Remember 1989’s True Believer, starring James Woods and Robert Downey, Jr.? A prime example of Hollywood’s longstanding White Savior Complex? Dolly Li examines how the flick centered a white lawyer in a story based on Chol Soo Lee’s arrest. Stream Free Chol Soo Lee now on UA-cam or the PBS App.
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I'm still stuck on the name "Shu Kai" which is NOT a Korean name, not even close. Neither Shu nor Kai are used in Korean names, so that right there is a HUGE red flag already.
That's what I was thinking.
Boo hoo😢
There's a very long history of western movies making up "Asian names". Apparently incapable of understanding that Asian ethnic groups have very distinct and very identifiable naming systems.
But then again, I've also seen them mislabel actual languages. _Big Fish_ for example, had several scenes which supposedly depict North Koreans. Except the actors playing North Koreans are speaking in Filipino and Mandarin Chinese.
They didn't even bother checking what they were saying. I'm Filipino, so I fully understand the North Korean ventriloquist scene. It was funny. The actor was basically saying "I'm tired of them re-shooting this scene multiple times. My hand is up the behind of this puppet, and it's getting sweaty."
@@wil7228boohoo? yall 👨🏻🦳 cry when they made little mermaid black 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
@@AngryKittens Your last paragraph is hilarious. I'm glad he got away with that.😂
Interesting. I actually have never heard of this man until now. Hollywood certainly has a very long history of telling the stories of other groups using the "white savior". They did the exact same thing in the movie "The Green Book". The real Green Book was a manual used by Black Americans during Jim Crow to help them find safe places (hotels, restaurants, etc.) that would cater to them when they were traveling throughout the country by car. In the movie, the main character is a white man who helps the main black character travel throughout the country, protecting him along the way. That's just one example. People of color should tell their stories authentically their own way.
People should tell their stories and white people should listen.
@@sandythomas865 All people should listen.
Movies are made to try to make money, and movie studios usually try to make money by trying to appeal to white people. And a lot of white people will only watch a movie about people of color if it's a white savior movie or a Tarzan movie (white person goes into an environment where people of color live, and the white person masters the environment - and the people of color in many cases).
(Uncle Ruckus) Lawd praise the White Man. Savior of all. Praise White Jesus.... LMAO
@Caribbean Ín The House I guessing you've never watch. Boondocks. Then your get it.
Absolutely! The amount of areas in Africa and Asia with obviously sophisticated cities and cultures that were 'reduced' as not possibly built by the local people is utterly disgusting.
I was once told while working at GameStop that a game that featured Hong Kong of all places was unrealistic because "they don't have big cities like we do"... I was just blown away by this guy. And he was younger than me! And I asked him why he thought that and he told me his grandfather served in Vietnam and he told him... just... what? He also said a few slurs that I won't repeat but I just couldn't wrap my brain around this person...
EDIT: it was brought to my attention I said realistic when I meant unrealistic. Corrected
@@jasonGamesMaster What part of the U.S.?
@@mr.b3168 Eastern TN
@@jasonGamesMaster You mean "unrealistic"?
@@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou lol. Yes. Thank you. I corrected my post lol
As a Filipino, I'm still mad that Starship Troopers replaced the Filipino protagonist with a blond blue-eyed Argentinean. And no one ever talks about it. The Rico of Verhoeven's film adaptation just became canon, inadvertently causing people to believe Heinlein was a fascist.
Well, people missed the satire of the book even before that movie, lol. But yeah, there were a lot of things about that movie that were terrible. I'm not a huge fan of Heinlein, but that wasn't one of the reasons lol.
If memory serves, the Film maker barely understood the concept and may not have even read the book himself.
Pretty sure he was a white guy in the book
@@Yourmomshassole considering they never specify his skin tone but they specifically say his Filipino I don't see what you are basing this statement on. Its possible that he's a white dude born in the Philippines just like its possible to be an asian person born in America, but the only detail actually given is nationality
@@jasonGamesMaster pretty sure they addressed a reverse migration south but it’s been 20 years since I read it. Maybe some people just see themselves in every character regardless of specified characteristics. I read the man in the ROAD as a white guy too but there is no specificity to any such characteristic that I can recall. Maybe get the sand out of your panties, Casper Vandean was cast for his look, nothing else.
One stupid movie doesn't mean much. But there's hardly just _one_ or even a hundred like that, is there, and it adds up quickly.
I’m sure one stupid movie is nothing to you it’s like throwing away one of your kids and having cancer added to the rest of your familia right right liescanfillyourfiels
Not even trying I thought about the laughably titled Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise?!?
Yup they add up really quickly.
@@john2g1 Tom Cruise is a big name in Hollywood movies that sells a lot of tickets, including in Japan.
@@RocStarr913 So make a movie about literally anything except maybe what was historically the highest societal non-ruler rank. And then label some rando as the last of said rank.
What was Tom Cruise famous for? Mission Impossible? Top Gun?
Cruise certainly was not famous for portraying Honda Tadakatsu or Oda Nobunaga. That would be as ridiculous as Cruise the last Japanese samurai... Oh wait.
Initially I was all about the premise of the film. After the US Civil War, battle hardened America soldiers went to Japan to participate in the Japanese Boshin War. Additionally, the war was the beginning of the end for the Samurai class. However, calling it "The Last Samurai" and centering the story around some random fictional White guy is exactly what the video takes issue with.
@@john2g1 I take issue with tom cruise playing jack reacher! lil Tommy is 5'6" 140lbs. Reacher is 6'5" 250lbs solid muscle. even described as having a brow ridge and looking a little caveman. Hollywood is always trying to cram the latest greatest big star in the every role!
Isn’t Avatar just a white savior movie? Even has natives
Avatar ultimately ended up being a fairly generic movie underneath all its computer-generated imagery for that very reason.
Dances with Aliens
Same story line of Dances with Wolves
Good thing I never heard about this movie until now.
Excellent video, thank you
I always love PBS Origins, but as a retired film scholar and a West Asian, this one was especially significant for me. The ‘white saviour’ narrative needs to go, and we have to help everyone around us to see that. Please share this analysis with everyone around you-it’s absolutely crucial that everyone learns to recognize it. Thanks for an important job very well done indeed.
They really don't have a culture. They insinuate themselves in everyone's culture. They manipulate the narrative.
@@ifinallyfoundthebeef white people do have a culture or should I say various cultures cause no group had the same
I guess white people can’t be heroes anymore. So much for that equality.
I don’t think anyone is saying they don’t. My husband is a Dane, and I learned to speak Danish and cook Danish food and learn about Viking history and their religion. I have never heard anyone argue seriously that there are no white cultures, except occasionally as a joke.
The point is, rather, that white cultures have erased, suppressed, and appropriated all of the cultures that they colonized.
@@anahidkassabian4471they called it integration but it was just destroying others cultures. Their language, traditions ect....
This documentary is on my to watch list. I'd never heard this story before (I hadn't even heard of the movie), so I'm glad I get to learn the true version first
It's kind of annoying how many holes are in our American history education and societal conversation.
This is by design obviously, but it makes it that much worse. You have normal everyday Americans fighting against teaching accurate and inclusive history for no other reason than it goes against the myths they were taught.
Our family encouraged reading as a hobby. One of the few ways to fight that kind of one sided history, promote independent search gor truth in local and world events.
Great video PBS Origins :) More like this please!
The real story is so much better than the movie
James Wood’s character, Eddie Dodd was explicitly Jewish, not White.
Thanks.
I would never have connected True Believer to the Chol Soo Lee story at all. So very very far from the mark on that one.
People not being able to name an Asian-American is all the sadder when our VP, Kamala Harris, is Asian-American.
She's biracial, but yes, I see where you're coming from. 🙂
@@moniqueloomis9772 Being biracial doesn’t stop her from identifying as Asian-American. She can be Black and Asian-American.
@@triciac.5078 Her race really makes a difference in her politics!
Im glad to know her historic persecution of the poor and minorities with her police bill and her erosion of citizen rights was caused by her being Asian-American!
It is, Asian Americans have played a big role in the foundation of not just the United States but our whole global civilization as a species. From science, to political activism, to music, to pop culture, to entertainment. It’s really sad AAPI Americans still aren’t getting the attention they deserve as a community.
@@triciac.5078 “judged by the content of their character not by the color of their skin” but I guess that’s antiquated now. And what is the content of her character? Withholding expulsionary evidence from defense as a prosecutor, keeping innocent ppl in prison so they can continue working as slaves for the state, ahhh but I’m glad that you are proud of her ethnic background 🙄
1st time I’ve ever heard of this. I’m curious to learn more
Today, throughout history and worldwide, when a country or culture become big and powerful, they tend to pull everything - especially the good things - towards their own; even if it doesn't really belong to them: it's human nature . Europeans and Americans aren't the only suspects .
They are the biggest countries to destroy hundreds indigenous peoples cultures though. So they got that going for them....
I would argue that "Ghost in the Shell" (2017) shouldn't necessarily be lumped in with any of those other "white savior" films. Whether it was intentional or not, the movie kind of criticizes the idea of whitewashing or the "white savior" since it's revealed in the film itself that Motoko used to be Asian girl who was forcibly put into a cybernetic body that resembled a white woman and was given false memories and a false identity to erase her Asian identity.
I had one of my asian friend tell me your people are always protesting i tell him if we are gone what group will and most fights for rights always help other group before they help us and when we are gone guess who they get to blame then I'am glad she is saying something
Great video!
You just said the Korean s met in church as a source of community. I believe Christ was savior that is western and Koreans embrace Christianity more than any other Asian country try after the Philippines
I’m Chinese, as a teenager I was falsely accused of peeing in my teachers coke , I wasn’t trying to hurt him, I was only playing joke. So sad
At least you didn't feed him fly lice
You dead wrong.
It’s a MOVIE.
Great Video. We really learn so much.
Damn, Mel Gibson calling people savages seems unscripted now.
Thanks for all your content y'all.
So basically, water is wet.
Want something done DO IT YOURSELF! DON'T LET VICTIM HOOD CONTROL YOU!
John Henryism
Didn't know about this film nor the history it was based on. Thank you!
I knew the guy who played the (black) police officer. At the time, it was the biggest part he had ever had in a movie.
He talked a LOT about James Woods, Robert Downey, Jr., and Tony Serra.
HE NEVER MENTIONED THE BACK STORY!
I have lost touch with him. But, I would love to hear his opinion on this issue.
So you said 4% of movies have an Asian American lead, but Asian Americans only make up 7.3% of the U.S. population. A shortfall yes, but it’s not exactly egregious. When people give statistics like this, I tend to compare it to the actual population percentage and the disparity is usually there but much less than people make it out to be.
It’s a movie BASED on real life. It’s not a documentary. This is poor example. An actual example of erasing history is the Neflix cleopatra “documentary”.
There are currently new archeological findings that may prove - once and for all - if Cleopatra was black, white, or a more ' olive ' skinned mixture. I believe that a black archeologist or expert should be allowed to work hand in hand with the current experts during this search. If it's proven, without any doubts, that Cleopatra wasn't black, would you be willing to accept it? If it's proven that she was black, I'd have no problems accepting it. Whatever way, it still would be FASCINATING!!
The "white savior" and "magic Negro" tropes are some of my favorite reasons to stay angry at mainstream movies. I'm also having a visceral reaction to James Woods' ponytail right now - the icing on the cake...
Visceral reaction to ponytail Woods 🤣🤣🤣 nail in the coffin ⚰️ oh wow… 🤣 thanks for the laughs b/c it’s exactly what I couldn’t stop looking at.🌹
It looks like some sort of screwed up raccoon died on his head!
You should try and see how youd like to hate the “noble savage” trope
@@patrickozga3486 Whoops, forgot that one! 😠
The John Henry trope, if people of color just "work" hard enough they can "overcome" all the injustices, you mean be superhuman just to get the chance at the same life others get.
Lived in Asia for a few years and was shocked by a comment a Vietnamese lady made to me, US is 50% black. At the comment I asked what data she had to develop this, knowing the black community makes up less than 20% of the US population. She responded, she watches US television and movies. She was shocked to learn it is
That would require maturity, which as evident in her insipid tone of voice is never going to happen. Just like the WNBA and National Public Radio, PBS and all its affiliated “multicultural” talent would prefer to teach us all to hate American culture.
It is hard to see with a WNBA has to do with AAPI. And the white savior complex goes beyond just commercial aspects. It has to do with changing history. And lack of respect for history. When a story is told and huge aspects are fictionalized, then it makes the whole idea of based on an actual story somehow a lie. Based on an actual event should mean more than cherry-picking an event and then building another set of ideas which are not factual around that cherry-picked event.
Sorry to go against the grain, but as a movie, " True Believer" is a very good movie.
OMG Dolly Li is so cute and pretty she's definitely a wifey.
Its been done in every hollywood and black folk’s history who always has a white savior
Anyone else notice most of the time you see a Asian woman in a tv commercial she with a whyte man 👨🏼
That’s because white people are still the majority in America.
never heard of this movie.
This is a great documentary.. which is why i feel bad for saying this but you can't really expect justice for you all as people who have come to this land when we can clearly see that the original inhabitants themselves aren't treated fairly.. the country was unfortunately founded on top of about 200million people who had to perish to create this place before your people even arrived here.. hopefully one day we will be truly free..
Welcome to Hollyweird !!!
Remember that Hollywood (white guys) said that you can't have Asian men as leading men in movies because they aren't attractive enough and would lack audience appeal. As a straight Black man, I totally disagree with that. And jn my family, the women love the Asian men like Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Chow Yun-Fat, Rain, Ken Watanabe, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, and my mother's favorite, James Shigeta. So, white Hollywood has shaded the Asian community from the very start as a way of maintaining their dominance. It's a sign of their fear of the true appeal.
Also, Jackie Chan!!👍👍
help is help, and you should be grateful for it ....period.
this is vastly IMMATURE thinking
Would not know if I did not see this
James Woods and Mathew McConaughey hummmm.
For the comments 🪣
God Bless America and all it's Citizens 👍😊🇺🇸🙏😇❤️
America = Nazis2.0
@@padajsiloinepravdo6299 how so
@@audreyharris7643 USA is built on the genocide of the native Americans and Hitler was on record saying that he wanted to emulate the yank genocides against the native Americans and reservation system in occupied Poland . US concept of manifest destiny is the inspiration for the Nazi concept of lebensraum. All this isn’t even mentioning all the wars , genocides , massacres, color revolutions , coups , IMF debt enslavement and Neoliberal pillaging the US has inflicted on the third world. If you really think the US is spreading democracy , I’ve got a bridge to sell ya !
Guess we'll get some more real comic book life.
Why are the comments allowed here, but not on your video about Europeans enslaving Africans?
Oh right, because you are lying...
this film needs to be redone.
It would likely be more successful as a documentary or as a series than as a scripted movie.
Great video! I’m black but I love learning about these similar issues in other cultures. Super informative!
I do agree from what I've learned it does seem like Caucasians are certain Europeans in particular have been complicit in committing all these things however I don't think it's just relegated to them I'm pretty sure it's probably some other cultures as well. Could you please enlighten me to which other cultures have done that as well?
@@caribbeaninthehouse9405 ???
The irony that James Wood has shown his true racist colors lately....great video, as a latin American I never knew the true story before ❤
I got disgusted and stopped watching American movies for years. I can’t with the lies and hypocrisy. I’ve been watching Korean, Chinese and Japanese dramas/documentaries and I love it however I’ll make sure to pass this very important document to others, I want them to learn the truth about history.
And how many white leads do those movies produced by those countries have?
@@patrickozga3486 Why would they?
@@TVwriter23 Whats the problem then with western productions having predominantly white casts then?
@@TVwriter23 Because they want diversity to include them in west, but not other way around. White people are same as any other people. Those countries too stereotype and misrepresents their own minorities all the time. Take Uighur Muslims in China.
At least Americans are now willing to acknowledge and change their ways.
All the way up to Avatar.
It’s a storytelling formula that will always more often than not be successful, no matter how much political correctness may try to stifle Hollywood.
For goodness sake you have way too much time on your hands!
It's quite sad to see that there it's still a long way to go for asian and american relations to get to a civil standpoint
You could ask your fellow intersectional African Americans to stop violently assaulting your ppl or you can continue to complain that hollyweird doesn’t cast enough Asians in their films lmao
And yet you have all these movies with blacks playing traditional European roles what do you say about that??
Like what, the Little Mermaid? 😂😂😂
But if someone needs help is it wrong for a Caucasian to want help?
Am Navajo so my blood line is here in this country, Asian come over on there for the gold in n make railroads. In movies it just funny to see how the movie get everything wrong
I love the movie Only God Forgives!
😊
It was nice to learn about K.W. Lee.
Imagine your whole history and identity and land being stolen from you. Deuteronomy 28. I understand.
CCP Butt 😢
Maybe you could look into how Asiens is claiming there space in gaming. Groups like OTV have a good mix of representation, and there are several big UA-camrs with Asien representation. It looks to me that the decentralized structure of streaming and video like youtube and twitch makes it easier to have equal representation. Maybe there are fewer gatekeepers in modern media allowing for a broader representation, or maybe I am just too positive and suffer from confirmation bios.
Matatan (".🤔.") Ribirin H-S"
The Anglo-barbarian people were considered inferior barbarians by the tanned Romans and Arabian people who gave them everything to the Saxons: Algorithms, Algebra, trigonometry, medicine, hospitals, universities etc etc
You’re absolutely correct, I’ve seen that movie before
It does say something how "True Believer" is a largely forgotten movie in the grand scheme of things. This video was the first I had heard of it. "Ghosts of Mississippi" made the exact same error that "True Believer" did, focusing more on the white lawyer than the black community that the case truly affected.
Join the club. Lol But yes fraud truths is wrong. Go Asia fight.
Thank you for casting light on thos phenomenon! I believe the next step is for allies to support the funding of features, documentaries, and other cultural works to preseeve our hotories in our voices. Thank you again!
Nobody will fund something that will not be profitable for them in some way. Movies cost millions of dollars to make and to promote and money doesn’t grow on trees.
Fantastic way to kick off Asian Pacific American Heritage Month! 🎉
I think you are misinterpreting sth there.
1. Go to China and the film heroes will be yellow. Go to Nigeria and the film heroes will be black. So what?
2. It's definitely not the first time that a film completely changed the real history of some event and made it into a heroic story
I don't think we should see a racial issue in everything
I feel like the erasure of the Asian activist is part of how white supremacy keeps marginalized people separated. Something that is quickly dismantling today because we are more connected than ever on the internet. As a black woman it's been a blessing to see and know how man of my aapi friends have my back and how I can have theirs.
Amen! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Glad to see that you are aware of how insidious these people are trying to keep marginalized people divided.
Omg U are not a victim! Stop
Welcome to our world. So Kool out the prejudice BS.
Even as someone who is white, I agree, thank you for this. The way popular culture is even up until recently with someone who is white playing the hero role. It needs to change. I would love to see more AAPI representation in American soiecty. Having all demographics represented helps build the foundation of a functioning and informed Democracy.
💤💤💤💤💤💤
Newsmax is another channel
Oh, God, not another victim hood class here we go
It's not OK for people to talk about race?
What should they talk about and how should they feel about whatever topic you deemed worthy?
🤦♂️👎🏿
PBS has become antagonistic to American history
This is fact and history is fact. If you want to watch propaganda, that’s what Fox “News” is for.
Producers go with what fans want.. remember that
Talk to Hollywood about it. Stop trying to make innocent people feel guilty for others' behavior.
Always blame the white man for everything. Please stop using all his great inventions. Her contention that there are not enough minority representation in Hollywood is hilarious but what would expect from communist PBS. You know what the BS stands for.
True Believer is a fantastic movie, one of Woods’ best performances. P.S. This is a JEWISH savior movie, but THAT you cannot say on PBS.
😂😂😂😂
Happy AAPI Month! Sending big hugs to my fellow Asian compatriots.
I watched this documentary last week. It was really good. I won’t be watching the Hollywood version. I will buy Chol’s book though. I hope he is at peace.
Thank you for this. I always like being reminded why I don’t respect and purposefully ignore liberal women lol.
It's a film 📽️ get over it 😭 some films are bad 😂 absolutely reprehensible I refuse to believe that Asians are this limited in there thinking 🤔!
I can only imagine what the man himself thought of this film
I actually watched this movie as a young man while serving in Japan.
🛑 ✋ PBS can you please STOP thriving off of DIVIDING us???????
Thank you!
This is a hot mess. I’m hoping more true stories come out
That the lead in the The Good Earth that won a Noble Prize for Pearl Buck was played by a white actor is despicable and the most egregious example of discrimination in cinematic history.
Insightful and true video. Asian people characters, cultures, histories, stories have been appropriated by Hollywood filmmakers for decades. Asian characters and roles are given to white actors/actresses.
76% of America is white and 60% of America is non-Hispanic white, while only 4% of America is Asian. Do the math on how many people it would take to go see a movie in a theater for it to become profitable. Movies are a business. They have to make money. Sadly, some white people don’t want to see movies with people of color as the main characters unless it is any bit relatable to white people in some way.
One good thing coming out of this injustice, is that all those racist people are dying or getting old. This new generation must pay true homage to those pioneers and tell the true story. We must stop complaining and act. Hollywood has always been a small group of people. They don't represent humanity. Get together and start telling the stories the way they were meant to be told.
The current cultural zeitgeist is producing plenty of new racists. It went from equality to equity and this will perpetuate the hatred into the future.
@@patrickozga3486 Yes, fighting an evil extreme with the another evil extreme will only serve to perpetuate a vicious cycle. Ultimately nobody wins, especially the, better, vast majority that are caught in between.
Riveting content!! Truly a feat of academic brilliance, please spend more time pontificating on the implications of mass market media being targeted at the largest consumer base available at the time. Clearly doing great for engagement.
I think the white saviour trope is a way erase their guilt and take power from the stories that belong to the protagonists
As a movie watcher, we are pretty much at the will of production companies and directors. I watched this movie a lot as a young teen. It was one of my dad's favorites.
I recently watched Everything Everywhere All At Once and was blown away. So much more entertaining than that old movie from the 80s.
Everything Everywhere All At Once was made for only $10-20 million. Its commercial success could have been a fluke. It doesn’t help that there’s just not a lot of good product in general being released in the theaters nowadays, especially from Hollywood.
The book Shogun, is a novelization of actual events involving a foreigner landing in feudal Japan and becoming a samurai in the service of the Shogun.
The protagonist in the book is white but, had he been African, the book would not have been fiction.
Isn’t she doing asian savior complex?
Aren’t their black savior people?
Latinos do too.
I don’t know why we have to put up with all this division.
I really don’t like what comes next…