The Real History of the Partition of India & Pakistan in Ms. Marvel
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Ms. Marvel, a Pakistani American teenager named Kamala Khan, is the latest superhero to join the Marvel Universe. Her superpower? Family bangles that carry the strength and power of intergenerational knowledge passed down by her grandmother from Pakistan.
But a lot of the magic behind the bangles has been lost to time, war, and trauma. And Kamala has yet to learn how to control these forces. Based on real historical events, Kamala's family was forcibly displaced and lost loved ones during the Partition of India in 1947. After India gained independence, the British Crown drew new borders and divided the region into secular India and a new Muslim territory: Pakistan. As a result, South Asia experienced one of the largest refugee crises in modern history, one that continues to impact families today, including the family of Ms. Marvel.
So what can Ms. Marvel teach us about the impact of Partition on families and intergenerational trauma? And how does the superhero genre allow us to reckon with darker aspects of world history? We speak to one of the writers of Ms. Marvel, Fatimah Asghar, and the founder of the 1947 Partition Archive, Dr. Guneeta Singh Bhalla, about why retelling our history, in both fiction and nonfiction, is so important today.
Resources:
How ‘Ms. Marvel’ Put Partition on Screen. The Juggernaut.
www.thejuggernaut.com/ms-marv...
Ms. Marvel: The India-Pakistan trauma at the heart of the show. BBC.
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-i...
The Great Divide: The violent legacy of the Indian Partition. The New Yorker.
www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...
The 1947 Partition Archive.
www.1947partitionarchive.org/
Watch the full oral stories of the 1947 Partition Archive participants:
Ravi Chopra: • Ravi Chopra
Ajit Cour: • Ajit_Cour
Ali Shan: • Shane Ali
Credits:
Director: Dolly Li
Producer: Tien Nguyen
Consulting Producer: Danielle Bainbridge
Associate Producer: Mia Faske
On-camera appearances by: Fatimah Asghar, Guneeta Singh Bhalla
Written by: Mia Faske, Dolly Li, and Tien Nguyen
Voiceover by: Kiana Taylor
Director of Photography: Brian Inocencio
Gaffer: Bryce Holden
Online Editor: Travis Hatfield
Editor: Eurie Chung
Assistant Editor: Josaen Ronquillo
Motion Graphics: Travis Hatfield, Jonathan Gil
Research Assistant: Kiana Taylor
Makeup Artist: Tanosha Tee Johnson
Fact Checker: Yvonne McGreevy
Post-production services & facilities provided by: Flash Cuts
Executive Producer for Flash Cuts: Eurie Chung
Executive Producers for CAAM: Stephen Gong, Donald Young
Supervising Producer for CAAM: Sapana Sakya
Coordinating Producer for CAAM: Czarina Garcia
Executive in Charge for PBS: Maribel Lopez
Director of Programming for PBS: Gabrielle Ewing
Additional Footage:
Alamy
British Pathé
Getty
NARA
The 1947 Partition Archive
Guests:
Fatimah Asghar
Guneeta Singh Bhalla
As much as I appreciate the discourse around Partition of India through Punjab, but we rarely discuss it through the lens of Bengal. Even less so during the creation of Bangladesh.
Very true.
We document both :) Just that Ms. Marvel’s story is based around Karachi so you are hearing of the western borders here.
@@guneeta7896 We?
@@N0Xa880iUL The 1947 Partition Archive. Please visit the website. Since Ms Marvel is based in Karachi and Punjab, that’s what is covered in this episode.
@@guneeta7896 Oh ok 👍
My English father explained Partition as "We made a bloody mess of the entire place, ignored everything about India that we should have known, walked away, and were shocked at what happened."
=(
That's a pretty good summation.
@VLADIMIR ADITYANATH history isn’t so black and white. You also have to understand how and why the British empire spread, supported by many indigenous people who supported them in overthrowing various kingdoms, etc. the indigenous rulers were much better, which is why the British got support from some segments of society. If you truly want to understand what happened then I suggest doing a deep dive into this history. Even Partition cannot be fully blamed on the British. Who was doing the killings? Was it the British? No, it was not. It was native militant groups.
@VLADIMIR ADITYANATH I’m glad to hear you understand the special circumstances RE voting and elitism amongst indigenous leaders. In terms of British atrocities and starving people intentionally… yes unfortunately this happened. But saying that they were worse than previous indigenous leaders is not being historically honest. If you are from india, it is possible you learn of a rosey history of the Marathas and other rulers. But the reality is not so. Regardless of religion, there were honest and just leaders and there were leaders who inflicted a lot of pain on their subjects, especially their minority subjects.
@@guneeta7896 British were one step ahead of atrocities committed like cutting thumbs of artisans if they didn't produce of British merchants.
No Indian ruler was this savage.
And, all the good people in British Raj were supporters of the Raj and believed in supremacy of their country and race to some extent. So, they aren't exactly good people.
Btw, partition didn't only happen along western border of India. There was an Eastern border too. The erstwhile Bengal province was partitioned similarly into West Bengal and East Pakistan. East Pakistan later gained independence through a bloody revolution and war in 1971 as Bangladesh. Partition stories are as prevalent and trauma inducing on the both sides of Bengal as they are on the both sides of Punjab. My family was also a victim of partition, my grand parents had to flea the Rajshahi district in Bangladesh to India during independence, I still remember the horror stories recounted by my grandma.
Strangely enough the 1947 partition was not the first attempt at partitioning Bengal in religious lines by the Britishers. The first partition of Bengal was done in 1905 by the then viceroy Lord Curzon, which was later undone due to protests. Anyway, from my experience despite the religious devide I feel Bengali people from both sides of the border get on better than your average Indian an Pakistani would, I think the cultural connection of a shared language is stronger here.
The partition archive is a fantastic initiative.
I was wondering about Bangladesh, I'm glad you gave an explanation
There are thousands of oral histories in our archive from Bengal and Bangladesh. Since Ms. Marvel’s story focuses on Karachi, this is likely why the episode focuses on the western Partition. Our documentation however centers around the east and west.
We have Bengal and Bangladesh covered Sayak. A very violent Partition with continuing ramifications happened in the east between West Bengal and Bangladesh, Assam and Bangladesh and also the borderlands between modern India and Burma.
@@1947PartitionArchive thank you for all the good work you are doing. I just checked out your site, phenomenal job you are doing.
@@guneeta7896 thank you for all your efforts. Phenomenal job.
I'm so happy to see this! My dad's side of the family was originaly from Punjab, Pakistan. However, we are Sikhs and moved to India. It tore my family apart, and it seriously impacted our history so much!
My mom's side and half of my dad's side are from East Bengal. It was relatively easier in the eastern border however. They could exchange lands and resettle the entire family.
Better than getting slaughtered and/or forcefully converted, I guess.
Some of our families weren't that lucky though
Sikhs tore Punjab apart, Punjab should've been united under pakistan, indian punjabis have nothing to do with rest of the indians, not culturally nor ethnically
@@slowknife2873 Pakistani Punjab and Sindh are culturally, linguistically, genetically indistinct from India. Pakistan is no nation, merely a state, a geographic and demographic anomaly that will stop existing as soon as the global order is disbalanced.
@@ahwabanmukherjee5065 Pakistan is the land of Indus valley, while your fake India is a fake country that was created by merging the kingdoms of Gangetic and dravidian plains
It enrages me that considering Britain caused so much trauma and grief around the world I never learned a drop of this at school. Thank you for teaching me today.
I have a theory. Every messed up event or atrocity that has occurred in modern history is either a direct or indirect result of the actions of 2 countries: England and France.
We Indians caused it for ourselves. We were not United. We felt that our religions are more important. When there is a fracture, the enemy will certainly exploit it. Even today the subcontinent is so divided on this aspect.
@@ranjithkumar3480 only one party felt that religion was more important. There are other religious groups in India, they never asked for a seperate homeland, except for a few radical khalistanis.
@@ranjithkumar3480 read about red fort trial my friend and you will know there were hindu muslims Sikhs on trial for raging war against empire during ww2
@@ranjithkumar3480 don't speak until you know
I’m so happy to see this video. I wish there were more episodes but they handled the Pakistani Identity tied in with Partition so beautifully.
Wah believe a fictional movie on history but not Indic historians
@@MRWM-mo6zs When have I said I don’t believe ‘Indic historians’?
@@PokhrajRoy. believing in a stupid movie propaganda automatically equates to not believing Indic historians.. because Pakistani pov of partition is warped beyond repair and their own historians say so like k.k Aziz
Aya bongo. Lay bsdk pad.
Though Bengalis relished their halcyon days at Cambridge or Oxford as much as anyone, they were destined to always fall short of that exemplar, the English gentleman himself. For Calcutta’s English residents, the Bengalis’ cultivation of English habits was more evidence, should more be needed, that their rule was the destined natural order. They granted Bengalis a kind of imitative intelligence as well as a capacity for breeding more and more Bengalis. But unlike the manly warrior races of the North- West Frontier, the Bengali was believed to lack the spirit, physique and sense of honour required of a ruling race. Consequently, the anglicised Bengali was reviled and ridiculed.
‘By his legs you should know the Bengali,’ Winston Churchill’s favourite globe-trotting journalist G. W. Steevens wrote. Whereas an Englishman’s legs were straight with a tapered calf and a flat thigh, the Bengali had the skin- and- bone leg of a slave. ‘Except by grace of his natural masters,’ this writer concluded, ‘a slave he always has been and always must be.’ Lord Thomas Babington Macaulay, another author whose violent prose style Churchill did his best to emulate, agreed. The Bengali was ‘thoroughly fitted by nature and by habit for a foreign yoke’.
😄 'Indic historians'. I'm a postgraduate of History and I know which WhatsApp University passouts are being referred to here. Chill, nationalists, chill. Be patriots, don't hate. Spread love.
Being a Punjabi from Punjab, India. I've always found it difficult to forget this partion. I've never been to my ancestral home that my grand parents left back in Pakistan. Growing up and hearing the stories about the land that was ripped apart is a feeling that always pains me, I've never been there and probably will not be able to. I have always imagined the pain but they experienced it.
I've got a connection to that land and maybe that is the reason why most Punjabis are incapable of hating Pakistan like the rest of India.
When indians say they hate pakistan, they're not talking about the land and the sikh holy sites
No one in india hates pakistan its very subjective. Ask a child who lost his father in Kashmir fighting a terrorist just for a war of religion ?
This is still not stopping we dont hate pakistan or pakistanis we hate the ideology of land for a particular religion.
@@mudrad1930 Modi's Government in India are basically Hindu Fascists persecuting Muslims on a National Level.
@@mudrad1930
If I said "we don't hate Indians, we just hate Hinduism", how would that make you feel? Don't be awful.
@@cometmoon4485 thats not awful
Note: Whenever you hear a partition story, NEVER listen to the side of the Pakistanis. They will twist the whole story up, and make themselves the scapegoats in the situation. The whole world knows it was the Muslim community that asked for partition, but the Pakistanis will never tell you all that.
Please... who has the right version according to you? Modi supporters?
Oh f off! We too were affected by the partition. Hindus and sikhs are not innocents.
according to Pakistan they get independence on 14 august
but in reality both india and Pakistan got independence at same time at 15augest
Pakistan even celebrate it first two independence on 15 august
they even print spacila postal stamp with 15 august for celebiration of independence day
but now think they even change thire date ,to show their statues supere to india
they change whole history , they even closed their their arhive house from public for very long time
their is whole dedicate wikepedia atarticle ,in which it mention how much they change their history.
I am from Southern India. So my family was not directly affected. Still this makes me cry so much. I wonder why..
Because you’re a woman
THANK YOU
There's very little international attention given to the events surrounding the Indian Independence Struggle, in my opinion as an Indian. The consequences of colonialism are still being grappled with and fought today. I really appreciate this show for bringing light to this horrible event when British India was splintered into 3 countries on the basis of religious division.
Much love to Pakistan and Bangladesh. We share the same history. We aren't all that different deep down.
75 years later and now we are much different than pkistanis bruh.
It's been pretty long but we're still pretty much the same tho. Like at least we are similar to each other then per say a European or even a east asian culture? Like I'll still learn something faster if it's in Urdu or Hindi even tho they aren't my native tounge,then if it's in English. We share a lot of our culture,words,drip,philosophies. Indian civilization was very rich in culture, history. We share pretty deep roots ngl. But it's interesting to see how we've grown in different ways after separating.
Since the topic deals with erasure and rediscovery of histories, I feel compelled to point out that the Partition in 1947 equally affected Bengal if not more so, since it had already been partitioned once before in 1905. I can appreciate modern day Pakistanis not being comfortable recognising this given their own history with the erstwhile East Pakistan and modern day Bangladesh but as of the time of Partition, more 'Pakistanis' lived in Bengal/East Pakistan than did in West Pakistan. I'm not trying to minimise anyone's trauma but, like I mentioned, I felt compelled to point it out given the context of the present video.
Im pakistani, rarely does pakistanj 'herstory' or media or even most people acknowledge the role partition played in Bangladesh's progression, and we also do not talk about the atrocities pak army committed there. No one's hands are clean but the key player were the British and surprise surprise, they're quietly chilling in a corner watching us tear each other apart. Let's also not forget Kashmir, which is a lesson in its own.
I love Ms Marvel, it opened up great discussion with my parents, my dad was born in luknow and my mom in kohaat, and i was born in karachi. They know the real aftermath of partition.
Yeah and Muslim League was actually formed in East Bengal to fill the power vaccum left by INC in 1905.
Thanks to 1905 partitioned or separation because otherwise you Bengalis would have completely erased us odia from odisha.
@@ynat2198 No the history pakistanis need to learn is that Bangladesh wasn't suppose to be part of Pakistan, jinnah's version of Pakistan only included modern day Pakistan map, and secondly the atrocities in Bangladesh were done by indian trained terro rists mukhti bani and separatist Bengali's against pro pakistani Bengali's, Ms marvel is a shtshow that tries it's best to please indians by twisting history that's all
@@slowknife2873 please Indians? what the hell are you talking about asshole, the show probably triggers far-right Indians with how well Karachi is shown. You are right about the first part, the 1946 agreement in which Quaid-e-Azam would be the first leader actually had 3 countries, not 2. That being said, General Tikka Khan and Yahya Khan and even Bhutto were complicit in genocide in then East Pakistan. Honestly Pakistan should never have been made, the 3 countries solution might have been good but the best one would have been to do something like the European Union and have many small countries united by a federal body like the EU which had no power over local affairs.
A big information is missing, the people who made the partition happened, 1946 Elections Muslims voted from existing Indian parts and didn't went to Pakistan. East Pakistanis (now Bangladesh) get their wish, but the west Pakistan; they didn't voted for Pakistan
That's bs, the only people that are happy about partition are pakistanis while the indian Muslims are mad about it because they didn't get to form a powerful community to stand up against hindutvas, and what do you mean "existing indian parts" ?? There was no country called India 75 years ago, only kingdoms that were already across south asia
@Slow knife Only thing standing between complete islamization of south Asia is Hindutva, currently & historically islamization means only one thing mass killings & forceful conversions. India doesn't existed 75 years ago? So why do Columbus, vasco de Gama, heiung tshang, Marco Polo, Alexander wanted to find it? What piece of land did Maurya,Chola,mughal & british empire had? And powerful community, really? Than why did east Pakistani Muslims reached Hindutva forces and created Bangladesh? Do you even know Abdul ghaffar Khan never wanted NWFP to be part of Pakistan?, Balochistan king wanted to be the part of India, his advocate Mr Jinnah annexed it in Pakistan. First learn real incidents not the history that starts with arrival of bin qasim.
@@aakashtivari7828 The history you're blabbering about is Hindutva fantasy not reality, let's start with the first propaganda
1/islamization) Hindutva started 100 years ago, was Hinduism in danger before that ? Nope, it wasn't in danger when Christians and Muslims ruled over your ancestors centuries ago what makes you think it would be now when India is being ruled by Hindus themselves ? As far south Asia goes no one wants your helps there, Nepali's hate you, Bengali's hate you, Sri Lankans hate you who tf likes you in this subcontinent other than Bhutan which doesn't even recognize half of the world lol ? And who's planning on islamizing the subcontinent ? Pakistan Bangladesh ? This extremist ideology of eradicating other faiths is your Hindutvas!
2/India) India was the name given to Indus valley by Greeks, entire Indus river is in Pakistan (fun fact even my city is located right next to Indus River) which makes Pakistan the real India so by name yes India has existed for last 2 thousand years but your country is not the real India, your country is based on Gangetic Dravidian plains you people are gangadeshi bharati's who have nothing to do with India and your country is 75 years old where we all know how old Indus valley is
And oh Alexander invaded Indus valley not your India, his soldiers marched through what's today known as sarai alamgir in Pakistan and King porus was from jehlum which is also in Pakistan the real India, and another fun fact people of Alexander the greats army are also residing in Pakistan, search for kalash tribe
3/land) Mauryans, chol, Mughal, British ruled over the entire south Asia although it was only British that called south Asia "east India company" even tho that name was wrong,
@@aakashtivari7828 4/Bengali's) Bengali Muslims never reached anyone for help, India was slowly trying to create insurgency in east Pakistan and when the tensions between east and west pakistan were high India started training a ter rorist group called mukhti bani to go to east Pakistan and ki ll as many pro pakistani Bengali's as they can which is the reason to this day Bangladeshi people have no hat eful feelings towards Pakistan while they h ate your Hindu India to the last breath
5/abdul ghaffar Khan/kpk) I have never heard of the claim that ghaffar Khan never wanted kpk to be part of Pakistan even if that is true his words wouldn't have mattered since the kpk had a referendum where the people voted to join Pakistan unlike Kashmir where there was no referendum people of gilgit baltistan literally had a freedom war against dogra army and made dogras surrender although kashmiris weren't as lucky since kashmiris with the help of pakistani tribesmen weren't able to liberate the whole Kashmir before the cow ard Hari Singh ran away to India
6/balochistan) where did you get that from that balochistan wanted to be part of India ? it's hilarious to me that you people actually think Baloch people would want to live with you huh ? balochistan had 4 rulers and out of 4 of them only 3 voted in favour of joining pakistan the 4th leader wanted a independent balochistan tho since majority of baloch's favoured joining pakistan it became part of Pakistan, in reality it was Bharat aka India's Hyderabad that wanted to be part of Pakistan the nizam of it literally wrote Letters that he wished to join pakistan but unfortunately Hyderabad was a landlocked state inside India so India invaded it and ki lled thousands of people, you can find more about it on Wikipedia search for the article of invasion of Hyderabad
7) Pakistani history books start with Indus valley not bin Qasim, the amount of brainwashing you Gangu dravidians have went through is insane, no wonder India's last 75 year old history is filled with bloodshed from 1984 sikh genocide to 2002 Gujarat Muslim massacre to 2008 kandhamal christian massacre smh
@@aakashtivari7828 and btw speaking of forceful conversions do you think we don't know how Hindus have been forcefully converting Muslims and Christians to hinduism on the name of "gharwapsi" read about kandhamal massacres, so many christians were forcefully converted to Hinduism and as far as lynchings go India has to be the world capital for it just two days ago a Muslim man and his mother were Lynched by a hindutva mob if you want the video let me know
The 1947 Partition Archive is such a great initiative. 👏🏽
Thank you.
Thank you for making this video. I had never heard of the Partition until an episode of Doctor Who, and more recently in Ms Marvel. It shocks me that there was such a huge event affecting so many people, yes even in the West, and yet it took watching some silly fictional TV shows to hear about it. Sometimes history is not just looking things up, sometimes it's also being aware of what to look up in the first place. Unknown unknowns are difficult to navigate.
We hope to help change this. Thanks to PBS, the Marvel Series and Doctor who for bringing attention to this important episode in history.
I knew about the Partition, but hadn't known the deep scars it left until that same Doctor Who episode. There is so much we don't know in the US about what's happened and is happening in the rest of the world.
yes i was shocked to learn about it ms marvel as an American that's what said as well "Gandhi had a peace movement and the British left" basically under the Gandhi section in world history when i was in high school yes I'm glad getting educated about it now this is comparable to the Trail Of Tears and Forced Displacement as well here in the States
@@CortexNewsService There are no deep scars, it's just the indians that love to btch about partition because they lost their little dream of a united India, there's nothing to know about partition other than the fact that partition happened of a state called Punjab and bengal and because Muslims asked for a separate country and tore the dreams of united India apart it triggered hindus and Sikhs so they started massacring indian muslims who tried to migrate to Pakistan and pakistanis upon looking at the trains filled with dead bodies of muslims got angry and did the same to the Hindus and Sikhs who were trying to leave Pakistan, now of course not all the people from both countries were involved in these massacres, it's only certain nationalists from bordering regions that caused the bloodshed of so many people
@@TheHeston83 You'll be even more shocked to learn that the history you're learning of partition is from indians perspective
I'm so thankful to Ms Marvel for shedding light on this topic that so many people (myself included) didn't even know existed
Everything they mention regarding south Asian history in Ms marvel is all indian propaganda to please the indian audience
Is it really true that Americans learn their history from tv and movies?
This was a great take. I first learned about partition from Salman Rushdie's "Midnight's Children" in which partition is a major event, impacting those first children born at Midnight in newly independent India. May Rushdie heal from the savage attack.
Bro, hope he recovers from it, BTW, once a Sar Tan Se Juda (Islamic Beheading), is always a Sar Tan Se Juda!
It's not South Asia... It's India... British ruled India not South Asia. India was partitioned. There was no such entity as South Asia. That's the Indian Subcontinent.
Maybe only indians think so, not the rest of South Asians
@@nabilian_2003 rest of the "South Asians" who created the myth of South Asia instead of India to justify their partition from India? Yeah, why not, sounds extremely convenient
3:34 people in the comment section who are talking nonsense about India became secular in 1976 should first read the bare articles 15,16 and 25 of the constitution. People are not secular, state is secular.
You forgot to mention East Pakistan and the Bengali Genocide of 1971, which was really devastating for Bangladesh today 🇧🇩. I recommend the movie “Viceroy’s House” with Hugh Bonneville as Louis Mountbatten, which is really good at demonstrating the utter devastation the partition caused.
Viceroy's House was excellent.
No mention of direct action day. Moplah genocide. Pakistan sending bodies of burned people back to India. Khilafat movement. It was not Britain who divided India. 2 nation theory was proposed long back by Muslims.
We will always remember Direct Action Day.
More muslims were killed in partition, remember even before partition muslims constituted 25% of the population
And partition was necessary for the west to stop Soviet influence at afghanistan, they didn't want whole of South asia to become communist, which is why they did everything in power to divide india among religious lines
Also if anything, partition gave back the political power to upper caste Hindus, otherwise all south asian muslims in a single country would've retained a lot of political power and we would've become a 2 party system with a tug of war to lure oppressed lower caste Hindus
True in most of what you said but the British let it happen and stoked the flames. They didn't care about the people of the subcontinent which is what this video gets at and what happened IRL.
One story that interested me since I found out about when watching Mississippi Masala, when I was like 10, was the expulsion of Indians in Uganda. Especially being expose to that idea in the 1990s when I didn't realize it was going on, was eye opening. I hope you do a story of that one day too.
3:35 INDIA WOULD BE THE HINDU MAJORITY NATION NOT SECULAR, BZ HINDUS ARE INHERENTLY SECULAR
The partition was the direct result of Gandhi's failed non violence movement. Muslims actually didn’t buy it. Hindus (from Bangla) and Shikh communities were the real victims of this partition.
I see, Mahatma Gandhi partly deserves to be just as culpable after all, although his good intentions aren’t without merits.
India’s first Home Minister, Sardar Patel, said in his speech in Calcutta on 3rd January 1948, “the majority of the Muslims who have stayed back in India were responsible for the creation of Pakistan, but now they have changed their loyalty overnight; and now they are asking us why we doubt their loyalty"
They stayed back because indian Muslims were afraid of crossing the border that was filled with Hindu sikh mobs ki lling and rap ing them
Exactly Muslims agreed to it. While the British may have sparked the flame. The Muslims didn't stop it.
Every story, every group, every community needs its heroes.
And seeing those heroes' stories can help the rest of us to be a little more understanding.
This history really needs to be taught in british secondary school classes. We didn't learn a thing about it, not even in a-level history
Even now you're not being taught the real history, most of the videos on south Asian history are basically showing you the indian propaganda version of history
@@slowknife2873 there's always gonna some propaganda mixed with. Like even today most of our media is biased towards our own current government and other countries government.
It is. Also these are the borders Jinnah and Nehru agreed. The British saved the sub continent from a religious war (which would of had its origin in Gandhi's religious nationalism)
800 years in many parts of India there was islamic rule. Rulers imposed islam. They converted and killed those who didn't convert. Those got converted wanted to convert others.
There was tussle, islamic invaders with converted indians vs Indians. Native Indians fought for centuries. When the conversion was impossible they demanded saperate state for islamic followers.
The tussle between islamists and Indians existed prior to British and after the British. Blaming it entirely on British is unfair.
Fake Indian history written by Hindu extermist.
India was 25% GDP when Muslims rule it.
Yea you read that from your school's library didn't you? That shit's fake
@@afolklorian I'm from India and I have studied history for more than 10 years.
Please read quran and convert to true religion of Islam
Maybe if people of different religions didn't hate each other so much, Partition would never have been necessary.
Glad to see this. My ancestors migrated from Lucknow. My grandmother was separated by her distant family members who used to live in India. In the later years of her life, my grandmother got Alzheimer. I still remember her telling me some specific events from her childhood in Lucknow.
Thank you for sharing these stories. I'm glad to hear about the project to collect people's stories & thereby help them with their healing. It's so important.
One of my best friends is half Indian on his father’s side. His father’s family was originally from Lahore, but after Partition they had to relocate to Delhi. I’ve never asked about the details - at minimum I assume it would be extremely delicate to discuss - but he likely heard firsthand accounts from older relatives.
Wow so powerful, I could literally feel the emotions through the screen. I love when fiction media shows accurate portrayals of historical events. So much better in every way then when it’s watered down to save face.
Accurate portrayal? They were literally talking about how 75 years ago there was one united country in south Asia and that British caused partition, that is far from being accurate
Its not accurate though? dear god you don't learn your history from Marvel? There was no Hydra in WW2 you know that right?
This is a perfect example of divide and conquer strategy. The mess created by the partition is still showing it's effect today...
It's time we moved on from the Partition. Bangladesh & India have made the best of a hopeless situation. Let's stick to the present now. Outrage will not get us Kashmir or the Koh-I-Noor back..
The Britts did a nother idiotic thing before leaving for good. They turned Bengal into west Pakistan. Which meant even after the independence from Britten us Bangladeshi folks had to fight 2 bloody wars against Pakistan. One for the freedom of language in 1952 and last one for Independence in 1971. So much bloodshed and torture for one decision.
Often neglected is the partition of East Bengal which was equally gruesome. Unlike Punjab which was only partitioned once in 1947, Bengal had to go through it 2 times but unlike the intolerance, Bengal somewhat had cultural tolerance. To the people of West Punjab, religion was everything but to the ppl of East Bengal, culture was everything and that is what led to the shattering of the idea of 2 nation theory. Since West Pakistan has always being antagonistic to India, the immigrants often bever have chance to visit their OG homes where East Pakistan always had a friendly approach to India so the wounds of partition healed eventually its like an immigrant from Dhaka to Kolkata can easily visit the city now and cherish the memories whereas the same cannot happen in Pakistan
India has always been hateful and antagonistic to West Pakistan as well.
Shattering of two nation theory ? Lol quit btching about it, the fact that hindus are still to this day committing massacres of muslims and lynching them everyday proves two nation theory right, and why don't you tell the reason for pakistans behaviour towards India as well ? The reason Pakistan isn't going to tolerate indians is because of how indians have occupation Kashmir and are ki lling kashmiris for asking for freedom from india
Glad you brought this.
Thank you so much. As a non South Asian this was impactful for me so i can only imagine how others who identify with this story felt!
You're being fed indian pov of our history
So happy to see a Salwar-Kameez and Kangan (Bangle) be part of the MCU. I love it!
Not occupied south asia. It was British India which was partitioned. Punjab gets center stage when it comes to Partition. While Bengal is forgotten
I feel like this history resonates with so many countries, like for me the border/DMZ between North and South Korea from a proxy war between the U.S. and Soviet Union that caused untold deaths and families are still separated for decades, likely a whole generation will never live to see each other again
This was a great insight into the partition. I learned a lot
So glad to hear that!
You can watch the bollywood movie GADAR - ek prem katha' to see the devastation of Partition from India's perspective too. Indians (Hindis and Sikhs) too suffered bloodshed, rapes and became refugees.
Most of the history that's available on the internet is based on indians perspective
There's lot of talking about partition of Punjab and Bengal in the comment section.
I feel their pain. They have suffered so much.
But please don't forget it was India that was partitioned. If it were not, then the History would have been different. India would have once again been the 'Golden Bird' that it has always been.
Iman Vellani was so brilliant in the show! It was just brilliant in every department.
I like how the 1905 partition is not mentioned because you have to force equivalence on the Hindu side.
Why pakistanis cry about partition? You are the one who wanted it. Not India or not british but only Jinnah wanted a nation for muslims. Stop playing victims of your own actions. Only India is the victim in the entire event. While India & Gandhi pleaded not to create pakistan. Jinnah was so adamant about it and british also supported pakistan’s stupidity. Stop bending history according to the agendas.
Who's crying ? Pakistanis love pakistan, hell yes we wanted a separate country, we're not regretting anything, the only people that are crying are indians, just check the comments lol
And how exactly is India the victim when it was created just like pakistan 75 years ago ?
as always wonderfully presented - you told of the pain, suffering, VIOLENCE, and total ignorence o britian in doinf this
Looking forward to season 2, I love these videos.
Thank you!
Season 2 of what? Partition?
@@babla69420 I'm talking about Season 2 of the video series a Historian's take where PBS deep dives culture in media.
Loved this video so much
Yooo there’s a new podcast called ‘Partition’ (iHeart Radio) that’s really good so far. The 2nd episode came out today
0:45 When it comes to World History talking about South Asia, that’s a whole 1 hour video essay and 5 season podcast, but it’s always so Eurocentric and even the South Asian talks about leaders who are mostly from the dominant castes. It’s a mess.
India should've never been partitioned. It was one of the greatest mistakes of the 20th century. Though Muhammad Ali Jinnah has the most amount of blood on his hands Jawaharlal Nehru, Mohandas Gandhi & certain other figures also have a great amount of blood on their hands as well.
No Pakistani wants to be call a indian.
We dont like hindu Nazi India.
Not India Indian subcontinent never should have been partitioned
Why tho? India would've just become pakistan
@@babla69420 huh???
India never got partitioned, Punjab did, all the other kingdoms chose to merge and create the countries called "pakistan" and "India" stop acting like there was a united India 75 years ago
I first learned about the partition through Doctor Who
She said occupied South Asia but it was occupied India. Even Ms Marvel acknowledges that it was India.
And you are forgetting Bangladesh.
People went by train, on foot, and by ship and boat. Some may have had other ways.
There's not enough here or in Ms Marvel about how the British seeded hatred between all the communities in occupied India. The Mugals did this too by charging non-Muslims extra for everything, but the British divided people on an industrial scale by religion, caste, sexual orientation, language, and sex
Nope, it's south Asia, Ms marvel was preaching indians propagandas
@@slowknife2873 Not true. Ms Marvel was written by people of Pakistani heritage. Plus South Asia includes Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Myanmar, etc. So its just plain wrong.
The British were not behind the partition of India.
The main instigator was Jinnah, who wanted a separate state for Muslims, called Pakistan, “land of the pure”, implying that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Christians were “impure”. It seems that Jinnah was some kind of right wing Muslim.
For proof of what I’m saying, please refer to the recent interview below with Dr Istaq Ahmed of Stockholm University: ua-cam.com/video/v7_gtqeXtg0/v-deo.html
India is Hindu Nationlist country.
Mr Jinnah was great man that save muslims of south asia.
yeah, they wanted muslim riyasat since 1905
even though descendants of Ali Jinnah don't live in pakistan
@@mrk4976 ohhh and yet world's second largest population of muslim live in India not in Pakistan
@@mrk4976 Being Hindu and Being nationalist is not crime, Its an honor which we carry since birth of early civilizations. you converted second grade muslims won't understand it because you will always live in identity crisis.
@@mrk4976 he didn't save he divided muslims lol🤡
Oh it pinches when that lady says "Partition of South Asia" just say "India" woman ☕ , Even the Brits call it Partition of India who are you trying to please by being politically correct about a wound that was given 75 years ago
No partition happened of Punjab and bengal, there was no "India" as a country 75 years ago, only a colony of British that was named India
This was such a fun series. I look forward to Season 2.
First Comment. And also Big Thank you for covering this.
My grandfather was five when the partition took place , I myself have heard many stories from him that How his mother and his 9 more siblings had to leave their shipping business and their mantion and escape from Karachi to Kutch, mandavi port in a ship , with whatever they could take away with them (carry able things)......there were many more things that he himself had heard from his mother, he had told me ...and in my image of the partition I had added another a tag 'tragedy'.....
Excellent work 👏🏿 👍
Thank you!
I so wish this was more about the facts of history, then talking about felt experiences...
You have shown the map incorrectly
Have you seen the Doctor Who episode dealing with the Partition? It's called "Demons of the Punjab".
Empire falls, chaos takes over
Partition also happened even more violently in Bengal
There is a missing dimension of caste in this discussion of the 1947 partition, be it only talking about only Punjab or only Bengal. Not everyone was equally affected by the partition, some were worse off than those shown here or in the archive initiative.
It would be great if the 1947partitionarchive initiative can include this dimension as well, to better understand the gravity of the situation. And bear in mind, that caste is not just an aspect of the Hindu religion, Islam (in South Asia) and Sikhism also have them. Religious conversions do not change the caste hierarchy of the person/family.
This is the oldest disease in South Asia and it affects everybody here, irrespective of race/ethnicity, religion, gender, class or any other social category.
Islam and Sikhism doesn't have castes, it's the muslims and Sikhs of south Asia that still carry their castes from the times they were hindus, and also there's no "caste system" among us unlike hindus where Dalits were treated as slaves for being a lower caste
There had long been a caste system in both Koreas when they were United.
@@slowknife2873nah muslim treat lowwr caste muslim as filth ask pasmanda ashraf n jatt sikh rapwr dalot sikh in gurudwara castw is muslim sikh thing not hindu
I am 30 years old and I sobbing Right now. My country was united by oppression and tragedy. And now it is being torn apart because of it. Even though my family was never affected by the partition. The event made everyone Hindu or Muslim in India, Indian. But now.. I don't know what our future holds.
Lmao what, THERE WAS NO ONE COUNTRY 75 YEARS AGO, stop dreaming about aKhAnd bHaraT fantasy
What oppression and tragedy?
@@JonathanDoyle-te4mt No disrespect but read a book about the partition of India and Pre colonial India.
@@sungu23 I've read many, that's where I don't learn history from Disney shows.
When you say Pre Colonial pre colonial by who? British, Greek, Arab, Muslims, Cholas, Mughals and where do you mean.
Because I've studied history, I realise the British saved millions of lives, preventing a deep religious war. Look up Jinnah, Suhrawardy and Nehru.
@@JonathanDoyle-te4mt I honestly don't think you read history books. May I know the names of ths title and authors. Cos... I personally feel offended when a western person downplays the historical oppression that south Asia and Africa has suffered under British rule. So... let me know what are these books.
I used to hear a lot of stories real,stories of partition from my grandparents .They lived in Sialkot now in Pakistan and how they migrated to India. They were gold dealers.So before leaving they threw their bags of gold in the Well of the Haveli .After partition when violence had cooled down ,they went back to Pakistan to draw out gold but, the well was filled with dead bodies,so they came back depressed to see all that.
Their whole life changed.Our family is not that much rich but survived all the odds.
Since my childhood I had her thousands and thousands of stories from different people about partition
This partition happened by the support of only 10% of the total population of united India
Only 53% muslim support but still partition happened because of jinha ,Gandhi, nehru!!!
If today sardar patel was our first prime minister than today your family were wealthy and you lived peacefully in your ancestors land !!!
More than 100 million people migrated in India from pakistan
@@qawsedrftg135 actually 86% of Muslims supported Partition btw... not 53% go check the British Archives...
@@xenzorygames4116 you are believing in Britishers voting???
@@qawsedrftg135 well they are the ones that partitioned... not me or even Gandhi or Nehru... why would you not believe them??? do you even know how the Pakistan movement started? it was a theory announced by Muslim Clerics from Turkey that came to India, to ask Indian Hindus and Indian Muslims to join the Dream of bringing back the Ottoman Empire, but Hindus did not agree so this angered the Clerics then they ordered the Indian Muslims to rise up against the Indian Hindus this began in Kerala as a Mopalla Massacre then it spread across India, Cow Head's were cut and thrown into Hindu Temples and then Cow intestines were wrapped around Hindu God's Temples and then the Flags of Hindu Gods temples were Cut and were replaced with the Flag of Islam... this all began in 1 week after the Turkish Clerics speech... this is what spread across India and the Movement of Indian Muslims wanting Pakistan Began... that is why there were many killings of Hindus across India... which started in Kerala, then in Andhra Pradesh, then spread to Maharastra, then to Uttar Pradesh then to West Bengal (at this time Congress agreed to it because there was no Hope) and finally Punjab and the British had to held an election, do you know the Electorals back then? Muslims were only allowed to vote for Muslim League and nothing else... Muslims voted and there were leaders such as Abdul Kalam Azad a Pashtun who refused the Ideology of Pakistan and was against Jinnah, then after the Partition happened and the amount of blood spilled then he accepted to go to Pakistan, and then he was assassinated in Pakistan do people even know that? This is not me who says that there is a Group on Facebook from Pakistan that wants the Reunification of South Asia they are all Muslims, who said their History books were thought wrongly of Pakistan etc... go read there how Abdul Kalam Azad was killed by the Pakistani Military...
Thank you for this - I had flat-out no idea that this has happened
Glad we're able to introduce the topic of Partition to encourage more folks to learn about this history!
welcome to the world where British hide their Colonial History to their people...
You still don't have a single idea about what partition is since most of the videos explaining partition are just feeding you indian propagandas
These folks totally missed East Pakistan and tortures done on Hindus after this. India intervened and made an independent Bengaladesh. There may be similar emerging states coming in Western world a)Karma b)they always want more rights/ lands as soon as their number grow and they don't stop to grow. They have already made 56 nations to make UN incompetent.
Cope and seethe gangu
My grandfather lives in west bengal and always tells us about how in his schools there was a looming communal conflict and how many of his class mates shifted to east bengal, Even my friends from Punjab have stories on how their grandparents had to migrate from Pakistani Punjab and leave all the wealth their ancestors had earned through the centuries behind. Truly horrific
Sikhs didn't had to partition Punjab, they could've stayed united under pakistan but they chose to partition Punjab sadly and look at what happened to them just couple decades after partition...1984
@@slowknife2873 really no one HAD to leave, look at Jinnah's 1948 speech. The problem was far right religious extremists and opportunists on both sides. Pakistan was supposed to be a secular state. Originally it wasn't supposed to exist, then it was supposed to be one of three states under one federal power, then it was supposed to be a secular but Muslim majority state, then the genocidal Bhutto named it an "Islamic Republic" all while far-right BJP Hindu extremists took hold in India. BTW, when I say secular, I don't mean atheist, I mean you don't consider religion in terms of hiring and governance. I am a religious Muslim but that is a private thing for me, not a state mandate. This is something too few Desi people understand.
@@jhonshephard921 Yes originally no one thought that pakistan would exist neither did anyone thought that they'll get clumped into a one big country called Bharat everyone at the time British was leaving probably thought that their kingdoms were going to be free of British and they'd continue living in those small countries as they use to but that didn't happen, Pakistan indeed was going to be a secular state and it was until Zia ul Haq took over, he islamized pakistan to gather soldiers who will see USSR as a threat to Muslim world and would fight it till their last breath and that's what happened and as we mentioned no one thought of Pakistan but if we were all going to be clumped together (south Asians) than this unity wouldn't have lasted for very long, I mean can you imagine Hindu nationalists destroying mosques doing h ate speeches and making anti Muslim propaganda movies while there are 600+ million Muslims living in one country ? Muslims in Bengal and Pakistan lost their calm when these hindutva goons demolished babri mosque imagine what this big community of muslims would've done if they were all together ? So it isn't far fetched to think that pakistan would've eventually been created via a civil war if not 1947 partition, and oh btw the right term for us all is south Asian that "Desi" term doesn't represent us all pakistanis
Gandhi had no role in the independence of india, its wass all SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE & INDIAN NATIONAL ARMY .
Keep telling yourself that delusion!
All just because of British that’s so painful only subcontinent people know the pain what they gone through.
Gandhi has to be the most overrated guy in recent history...
WOW!
I still personally wish her powers had stayed the same as in comics. I liked her wiggly stretchy powers being a metaphor for her trying to fit in as a Pakistani American teen in Jersey.
plzz also make video on partition of pakistan and creation of bangladesh
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I appreciate discussing this subject. It is critical to contemporary South Asian identities and cultures.
But this narrative is deeply flawed. It presents partition as an exclusively colonial act by the British Raj. It eliminates the responsibility of South Asian leaders before, during and after partition. The All India Muslim League and the Arya Samaj (among others) viciously used religious identity to facilitate the partition. It is deeply flawed to believe the British were the architects of this Holocaust. It reinforces South Asian victimhood and creates a false narrative.
Yes the British Raj were cruel and callous; but it also was South Asian so-called leadership that gleefully accepted the partition.
and if it had been upto Gandhi he would have divided India again to connect West Pakistan with East Pakistan. Glad, that didn't happen.
Clearly you have to neutralize IML with arya samaj , iml was political org. While arya samaj is social like RSS , its arya samaj founding members who killed by islamist , not other eay around . Direct action day call by islamist and riots instigate by them for political pressure on congress , inspite of that partition help of get rid of religious ideological driven mass in certain proportion which if got stayed become cancerous to us for short run And history of pakistan is before any of arya samaj and RSS even establish . Main contribute is syed ahmed khan in 1982.
@@asishmohanty5454 that is actually a hoax, at that time he wasn't protesting for a hundred kilometre wide highway from Lahore to Dhaka, instead he was protesting against Hindu muslim riots in Delhi
And there were a lot more bigger powers that were influencing partition, it's lazy to blame everything on gandhi
@@babla69420 I didn't say he was directly pursuing this . Pakistan demanded it and most likely Gandhi would have agreed .This is a fact. That's the reason Nathuram Godse killed him.
This is PBS. Of course they’re going to take the easy route and blame the White man.
Wow so you say pakistan point of view but you don't ask indian point of view and i think all North people belonging to this
You when you found put the whole series is from the perspective of a pakistani: 😨
@@afolklorian i seen all episodes
Muslims did India's partition that's the only truth.
I think they left out "blood trains" as it might be too much to handle
I am an Indian, and I do not entirely blame the British for partition, I blame more, the so called minority people who dreamed of a land seperate from Undivided India. And the South Asia she is talking about is Undivided India.
Undivided India ? Lmao ok gangu sure
I’m so glad I gave the show a chance. I love history but I never that this even happened. I always the news about India and Pakistan going at each other and always wondered why they was at conflict.
We are in a conflict because there's state called "Kashmir" where majority of muslims want to be either independent or join pakistan but the ruler of Kashmir was a Hindu so he gave Kashmir to India because natives were rebelling
@@slowknife2873 ok thank you for the information.
I have second cousins and my parents have first cousins in Bangladesh, I will never hear of again.
People lost parents, siblings, land and became refugees overnight.
All because 90% of a religious community voted to break india apart
let's place the blame where it belongs...
squarely on the shoulders of imperial Britain.
India after WW1 had ceased to be profitable.
It was actually proving to be a net deficit for the empah.
That didn't stop them from trying to wring out every penny they could
in the twilight of the raj.
Once that was done, they cut their losses and got out asap...
and damn the consequences for the people of the subcontinent.
Good riddance, they said in London.
British India was somebody else's problem now.
The idea that Radcliffe simply drew lines of his own accord is just false. And I know that you all know that saying that is false. You included a picture from the Lahore-Amritsar area, for instance. The Brits ultimately decided to just "draw a line" in the area because it had been a total non-starter in tripartite talks up to that point, and the line the British ultimately drew essentially just split the difference. While better security certainly should have been provided by the Brits during the very short time that the Lahore border was under discussion to head off the inter-communal violence that took place in an attempt to influence where the line would be drawn, they and Radcliffe really didn't do anything to crazy there nor did they simply pull the semi-riverine border that was ultimately drawn out of their ass.
Nobody talks about the affects of Sindh. So many Sindhi Hindus left for India
What are the real origins of Oktoberfest?
Not South Asia, it was Bharat or Hindustan
Pls stop Praising gandhi, he was nothing.
It's Indian Subcontinent and not South Asia
Nope it's south Asia, cry about it
It's not South Asia it's India
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Colonial Britain: divide and conquer baby WOOOO yeah
Holy shit I can’t remember the last time someone said they appreciate me
In my high school days I got the topic partition of India 1947. Maybe I was interested in Indian culture so my Language teacher gave me this topic.
So how far I know from my westerns perspective, partition was something done to break India economically and again accept the Colonial rule.
The similar strategy was done by my country(US) in Afghanistan. Abruptly leave a country with a deep scar. Left with no money, they can't heal and the wound gets infectious. And then you give them medicines regaining complete control 😉😎!
The Irony is India is now Economically more stronger than its Colonial master.😂😂
Believe me, we Americans were once ruled by the British but we also surpassed the British in every aspect 😎. And now their prince is taking US citizenship 😂😉!! This is Irony!!
Actual geopolitical reason for partition in short was.. USSR, or communism in general. Ww2 had just ended and it was clear a new rivalry was brewing. So instead of having a unified socialist leaning India(India was very socialist and followed many Soviet traditions till the 90s and even till date has socialist tendencies) which would most likely be neutral if not ally themselves to the Soviets and would be too large to push around anyway.. They wanted to carve out a capitalist pawn right at the Soviet doorsteps to South Asia who would be ready to sell themselves to the west giving them a foothold in South Asia ...while also containing a new and large socialist country of India.
@@ritikshaw5868 never thought of this angle. But if such is the case, then definitely Capitalist is loosing as Pakistan is under Huge debts! But how far I see, Pakistan is merely a Pawn the battle of Big Titans ! In west we see this country merely as our service boy😂😂😂 !!
@@christopherpetrov2355 Pakistan was envisioned as an entity similar to Saudi Arabia. Something carved out by the west from a greater power for the west's benefits. Whereas the Saudi had oil which they could sell anyway and ensured their prosperity. Pakistan was to be a military outpost. Providing an army.. Both regular and insurgent kind to the highest bidder. They were used by West as much as possible. Creating the mujahid etc. But since the west only only gave them weapons in billions but nothing of actual economic value and they themselves focused their country around the army to be a client state. The country stagnated and is declining as they have nothing else going for them.
@@ritikshaw5868 cool analysis! I think China is doing the same in other weak countries. The reason why West is ranting like a b*** against China😂😂
uh Britishers are still there in the USA... they just did not like their masters, the native population is barely even 20% of the Population in the USA your people literally Genocided the people of USA... and you have the gall to say you are not part of the British.
I'm still not sure I understand WHY partitions had to happen in the first place..?
If all these people and religions have been cohabitatiting in the Subcontinent before the British left, why were they supposed to split up after they left?
Sorry at how naive/ignorant this comes across, I just really don't know why this territory that was just about to get independence couldn't stay as one country ?
1. You know why , coz more than 1 conservative community can't live together peacefully .
2. Hindus and Muslims never lived peacefully even before arrival of Britishers . It's just false narrative to whitewash history and promote secularism .
3. Even today , many Muslims demand Islamic rule over India , Hindus demand hindu rule(rashtra) .
4. Partition in Ms Marvel is pretty biased . They never showed genocide of Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan instead tried to push agenda of (bad india , good pak) .
If i wasted your time then Sorry
I'm student so I am pretty free 😅
Peace ☮️
British used a policy of Divide and rule
They sowed seeds of division and hate
They sponsored Muslim league which was basically thier puppet
Cohabitation is wrong word. Indians were under subjugation by islamic sharia rule for 800 years. There was constant fight. More than 40,000 temples of Hindus Buddhists and Sikhs temples were destroyed.
Tremendous conversion to islam on fear of sword took place. People were fighting against islamic oppression.
The Muslim League wanted their own country.
@@eunbiasedfan2873
Jinnah did for his own ego
He had no vision
Engagement for the engagement god.
Question to all peoples affected by the Partition: Do you guys hated Britain for this?
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