The thing about this situation is that if it happened to some random person, it would be hard to say that they have changed just due to the fact that it has been 6 years.....but with Avo we have been able to witness his growth and see how he’s changed as a person with things such as ruin an hour and plenty of things he’s done for the culture. If you think otherwise and want him gone, then you’re not wrong because that’s your opinion and you have the right to believe whatever you want. Personally, Avo has helped me with personal things in my life and I believe he is not that person we saw in the video.
If we are going to take people who were once racist but no longer are, and tell them they're racist forever, then racist people will never have an incentive to change their ways.
You know what abandoning systemic racism means for white people? It means giving up privilege. That privilege may be the difference between having a job and not having one. So yes, it does require incentive, even if it is clearly, no debate, the right thing to do.
@@origamibulldoser1618 It's basic psychology, I think. To change a bad habit, you need to replace with something else, and you need incentive to ensure it sticks. So whether it's swearing less in casual conversation, to not being racist, you have to at least be able to point out "the good ones" and ensure those good behaviors are shown and emphasized to be acceptable.
This discussion is really helpfull for people like me ( from Romania, Europe ) that never realised were racist or how many forms racism can have, because we have never really been exposed to too many people of color. Racism in my country is normalised against gypsies for example. This conversation was really eye opening and made me challenge lots of the stereotypes In my country and i am definitely looking to self educate more now. Big shout out to Rx, Geechi,Pass for taking time to educate us and also to Avo for being willing to be put in the line of fire and taking all that hear for the greater good imo.
I am the same from Romania and I was same like you racist against gypsies. But I was like this because I was listening Parazitii and agreeing with Cheloo when he was raping his verse and always beeing against gypsies but this was years ago when I was young and without no leadership but now when a grew up I can say that I accept them and understand their culture and now I can say that I love them and their music, I m not talking about manele. The old music called fiddler in english and lautareasca in romanian .
I'm also from Europe and it's making me look at things differently too, although the context in Europe is much different imo (my ancestors never had black slaves, and they were actually slaves themselves)
Dubb Chubb dude, you ever been to literally anywhere else in the world? People of all color can be racist as fuck. Ask a black person how they feel in Asia and you’ll get some good answers.
I really appreciate Avo taking this on head on and not running from it, not saying I'm sorry and expecting us to move on... using his platform to start the conversation
and specifically Avo, he has grown and changed SO much since then. If you followed him for aslong as i have you know his journey and how much he has grown and changed for the better over those years
DJ-NuGGeT man stfu it’s easy to change when you have to work for and make money off the same people you secretly think less off !! This is culture vulturism to the T!!! Fake it till you make it smh
The second I saw the video and saw how physically different he was, I knew this was something from the past. I compared it to what I've seen as of late, including the Twork marathon, which was cool as a part of this culture and as a Human. If I had everything held over me I've done, I'd still be that same person and I'm sure many can say the same. It wasn't his finest hour, but personally in my book I won't make it his last.
I’m still not mad at Avo. He’s been a different man the past 6 years. While it was uncomfortable to watch, I put more stock in what a person has been consistently doing as opposed to an isolated incident from their past. I can’t hold that against him. And the primary difference I’ve seen between Avo and others who’ve had situations like this is he has taken full accountability. How many white man who’ve made racist comments have ever sat in a room with 3 black people and taken every bit of the criticism and questions the sent his way? They pulled no punches and Avo gave no excuses. That’s just my take tho.
You don't knlw him personally, all you know him from is his work, and stuff in front of the camera... not saying you can't feel like that but its not for a valid reason
One Deep You’re right I don’t. But Hollow, Geechi, B-Dot, Jaz and so many other black men and women do know him personally behind closed doors and behind the cameras. They are his actual friends. The reason people are so shocked by this are because of who Avo is NOW. That’s because Avo has not been that type of person in recent history.
@@MDAce150 At the same time, just cause you're friends with somebody don't mean you know everything about them. For example, Jay Blac and Tech... he could still be hiding his real feelings about them
One Deep Agreed. But honestly, can any of us out here say Avo has done ANYTHING in the past 6 years that even slightly indicates he might think the way he did back then?
Not really. They can’t have genuine conversations, because if he said something that they didn’t like it would be a problem. The only way this would’ve been productive is if everyone can say what they wanted without the fear of what people think. If avocado didn’t say he has privilege and overall kiss black peoples ass then people would cancel him. So it changes nothing. When he goes home he’s still going to think the same way behind closed doors because he couldn’t have a genuine convo and get everything he wanted to say off. When Rx asked him since he only knows 2 Black people how would he know about black fatherhood, the real response would be from stereotypes, internet, and statistics. But he had to say some bullshit because he had to think how would people perceive these statements.
@@jjf77able The convo wasn't just for Avocado. It was for all white people to think about the stereotypes they make fun of and how deep rooted they are.
Leroy Peeples True. I’m just saying there won’t be any real change until they can tell people exactly how they feel without backlash. Even if Avo genuinely hated Black people. Or genuinely thinks they are crappy fathers, he’d never me able to say it here. Because the culture would immediately cancel him. Which refrains from any genuine conversation. If Avo straight up said “Yeah I think black fathers aren’t good because ______” everyone would lose their shit on him. So since he can’t openly say that, or how he genuinely feels about Black people, it’s still in the back of his mind, and there were no discussion to convince him why his thought process was incorrect because the convo was never had.
@@jjf77able Again, that wasn't the purpose. It was to explain why that behavior isn't tolerated. The white perspective is inherently rooted in racism due to this country's origin. Stop caping for him. And if you're white, leave this convo alone.
Leroy Peeples I don’t care for anyone. And stop with identity politics. I’m an adult that has my own thought process. I don’t have to abide by anyone else’s thoughts because we share skin color. If you learn how to actually read I don’t care for avocado. I’m just saying this entire video was pointless since there’s no genuine conversation going on here. They have to ask questions that don’t make it look like they’re on his side, because they’ll be called uncle toms. And Avo has to answer questions to kiss ass, because he’d get cancelled otherwise. That was my point. And I don’t want to hear your thoughts on racism. Assuming you’re a grown man: Stop being a bitch and do something about your life. Stop bitching to white people or about racism. No one cares. Only 2020 where grown black men cry about racism.
Colby Reese exactly. Dismissing him would bring more hate to the world imo. I understand if someone is mistrusting and hesitant to accept them though, and that’s valid for sure. All I’m sayin is, giving people the opportunity to grow on their own is what the world needs.
Saying Suge look like melted cheese IS NOT racism. It's making fun.. smh... Hella times we've made fun of T Rex wearin tight ass shirts, does that make us racist? Hell no!
People can change and learn from past mistakes. Hopefully Avocado will change and learn from this experience not because he got caught but because he actually became a better person. Either way God bless you Avocado, only God can judge you.
Not trying to defend inappropriate comments or whatever. But I think it’s pretty obvious that Avocado has grown and changed as a person, that’s what human beings do! I mean at this point, he’s acknowledged what he said was wrong and has been transparent about it. What else can you expect from him at this point? Either you’re gonna forgive him and move on or your not
I love both Geechi and Rx especially here. I value their perspectives and the way they think. This video means a lot to me growing up Latino and Italian and being fucked with by both sides. Watching this dialogue makes me feel better because we as a society need to break down these walls, have these conversations, and mend as best we can. We all have a place in this world. Facts.
Avo has some big ass balls to just stand there and take all this heat over a tiny situation that happened 6 years ago. And it wasn't even him saying the joke... that's just blowing shit out of proportion.
I’m Native American, and I can honestly say that I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago and people change for the better. I think Avocado has shown nothing but growth as a person. That in itself is enough for me. Avocado and ruin your day has been a big part of my journey to healing and growing as well. I relate to change, and not being the person I was 5 years ago. I personally forgive Avocados and want to see him grow more as a person all we can do is be a better person than yesterday. I accept his apology though I’m Native American I’ve experienced a lot worse in person. Avocado faced the music and I feel he’s genuinely sorry and I truly do believe he’s a different person today. We can accept that it happened forgive it, and help each other grow together that’s unity.
DKayRios209 then that’s your judgement to make my friend. Like I said I’m not who I was 5 years ago and can relate to growth, the actions speak louder than words and his positives outweigh the one negative we’ve seen. So to me the positive and growth he’s shown is genuine. It’s sounds like your just judging someone for his age rather then supporting growth in my opinion
DKayRios209 judging someone for being 30 and trying to better themselves can also be taken as negative from someone else’s perspective, sorry but that’s my take on it
The best apart about this whole interaction to me, Besides the realness of Pass, Geechi and RX, Is how Avo answered the questions like it just happened, as he is there again, He reminded to excludes all that he's done now in that point of ignorance and answer as the man he is before them now. He knows where he is at and and accepted all angles... We all did/do dumb shit. Learn, grow, accept... We are not yesterday and we never remeber tomorrow... Stay focused people, we have too much love to fall for all this...
With everything going on in the world, mediums like battle rap are vital to bridging gaps between races. Discussions like this are important and is the best way to treat such issues rather than the cancel culture. Thanks to everyone involved.
bruh i remeber some years back i was looking at fed time i was locked up in Dickerson detroit Michigan i was just being myself on the cool but some black folks hated me cause i was mexican it was 3 of them one dude was from cali he was the one that hatedd me f.r for no reason the other 2 where just sheeps following along the one from cali so cali one day said something outta line to me now mind u im from detroit so to me is whatever i want all the smoke so i offered all 3 of em to box me 1 on 1 they aint think i would im only 5.8 but i was ready to box so we did i boxed all 3 of em 1 by 1 after that they never looked at me the same we shook hands n we ate TOGETHER i told em dont trip bruh i know u aint know no better blessed homie with some commissary n told em just dont misjudge otherd by the color of they skin im proud to be an amigo but i love black folks but moral of the story is understand sometimes people literally dont know no better
UMA KEEP IT 100 WE CANT READ MINDS BUT ONE THING I DO KNOW WE NEED THIS DUDE TO SHOOT THESE BATTLES LOL DO I ACCEPT HIS APOLOGY??? YES YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE WITH ME IT'S 2 STRIKES THEN YOUR OUT HE DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS AGAIN HE'S DONE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WAY HE GREW UP AND THE PEOPLE HE GREW UP AROUND COULD OF HAD HIS MIND THINKING ALL THAT MESSED UP STUFF ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WAS COOL TO THINK OR FUNNY TO SAY, BUT HE SAY HE'S NOT LIKE THAT ANY MORE SO I'M BACK ROCKING WITH AVO. -MAT
As a black man, I dont believe that merely saying something is “racist”, racism is about actions, measures, and establishments. Do I see how people could be offended by that video ? Of course, I do not think that makes any of them actually racist tho
@@2sicc377 Or perhaps you're the simpleton who doesn't understand people have complex attitudes and behaviors and the entirety of who someone is, isn't nor should it be based off of a moment but a totality of experience and displays of character....yeah I'm gonna go with that. But you keep on, with how you're ironically judging us, im sure you're without fault
I don’t think he’s truly raciest but I still think it’s so wrong to play into those fucked up stereotypes that are used to try to keep black peoples down. When 24/7 said that comment about black fathers he should of not co-signed that but I feel like he was soft and not only let it slide but said touché. I don’t think he hates black peoples or truly agrees with what 24/7 said. I’m also not gonna say he should be forgiven or that he shouldn’t be kicked out. At the end of the day I’m not a black man or women and it’s not up to me to decide how people should feel. My neighbor is a black father and he’s a great fucking guy. He works everyday and comes home to play basketball with his kids. If he heard what was said how am I gonna try to tell him how to feel.
@@Rmedina126st Maybe he might be talkin bout how the whole community had avo's back. Caffeine took over URL and told avo to fuck off and Battle rap twitter (including BIG battle rappers) exploded. The whole community deadass held hands and said "avo is a goat" and BOOM! That clip resurfaces and now you're here.
It’s a bad timing for a 6 year old video, involving a guy who’s earned his stripes big-time in a culture he’s a guest in, to pop up again and discredit him this way. Yes, the vibe from the video was bad. Yes, Kyle apologized and realizes the mistakes he’s made. Makes one wonder if this video would have come up if: a. George Floyd’s death/murder didn’t happen. b. The world wasn’t on fire due to COVID and BLM protests/riots. c. Last but not least, Kyle didn’t speak up against Caffeine. Cancel culture in full effect. Hope you get through this ordeal, Kyle. Good luck, you’re still the best, regardless of what you did 6 years ago. ;)
Bruh , common man, as a black man supporting Avo in his change and completely forgiving him 100%, this is completely fuckin ignorant to say it wouldn’t have come out due to George Floyd , tasteless trolling 👌🏾
The conversation definitely shouldn’t even be battle rap! It was never about that......Thank y’all for saying that and at the end of the day, you can either forgive Avo or not......He can’t make you nor should you feel obligated to do so no matter what he says or does.......It’s on you to decide if and when you do there’s no time table on that either
Black people as a whole we have a deep inherited trait of forgiveness. I, personally, would never want to be judged on my past transgressions. I strongly disagree with the notion that "this" is how white people are behind closed doors. Let's not forget that Harriet Tubman had a lot of white people help the underground slaves she moved from state-to-state. White people marched with MLKjr and today white people and many other races have been apart of the BLM movement worldwide because they see injustice of black people. Avocado should not be canceled or stopped being apart of the culture he has adapted to. Let's stop saying "guest in hi hop" like there were no white people in hip hop in the 80s... 'MC Serch, Beastie Boys'. Rakim said 'It's not where you from, It's where you at'.
I'm black and was hurt I'm a big battle rap fan I say Avo Jay Blac and URL is three biggest forces in the culture for as keeping me entertain I ain't going give you a pass bro but I don't want to see you and the content leave battle rap we just got to figure this shit out
Have you ever done anything in life and wanted forgiveness for we only human and if Avo is welling to change and learn we gotta except that and teach that the only way we grow as a BRC
The beauty in all this pain is that this damage opens up potential for much broader healing. And that much broader healing is what we all need going forward because the fight we have on our hands is going to be so much harder if we cannot trust each other, if we don’t make ourselves deeply accountable for our harms.
I love all of the perspectives on this video... geechi a real one... rx a real one... avo... do the work... keep putting actions behind your words... if you end up being in the culture just keep growing and working to be a better person... we should all be on that path...
This is a good conversation to have. I'm similar to Avo, similar age and similar background (although I'm from the UK) in terms of growing up going to a largely white school - maybe two Black kids. I had groups of friends who were pretty toxic (looking back at it now), they regularly made racist and sexist jokes. I called them out a few times in recent years and got a lot of aggression back. In the end I cut them out. Hopefully we can all grow and change. The world has moved on a lot in the last few years, #metoo and #timesup, climate change, Black Lives Matter. Even in battle rap, battlers are coming out as bisexual and gay. I can't imagine that would have been accepted a couple of years ago. Change is good, progressing is good. Otherwise the sub culture dies.
imagine going at your friend like this over some shit they said 6 years ago lol, must suck to walk on eggshells around people that are supposed to be friends, now they want to know what he does in private, what he does when they arent around, what goes on in your mind, this shit is tough to watch gave me a headache, Avo aint a racist if he were he wouldnt sit here and listen to all this.
People need to see Bdots video on this issue. One of the points he raised was the fact that when the video was filmed, avo was around 29/30. Avo was not living where he grew up and was surrounded by people of colour and knew better. Shout outs to the caller from Colorado, asking some key questions that the panel (friends of avo) were never going to ask.
I gotta disagree. I know ppl right now who are mid-20s and gay. Raised by homophobic parents. Once they learned THEIR kid was gay, eventually they realized the views they held were wrong. His parents are around 50 years old. Do you think drug addicts can't get sober at 30? Let's say some dude is a hardened gangbanger with multiple bodies to his name, but one day he has a kid and realizes "damn, every person I killed was someone's child", then changes his life. Some ppl def do fake change but age has nothing to do with it. I converted my racist grandmother who is 70 and this is all FACTS. She believed all the media bullshit about y'all until I made an effort to change her. I showed her she was wrong and she's a better person. Not one word of this is an exaggeration.
I mean I agree with a lot of what B dot said, but that point is kind of silly imo. An ideology that is that inherently engrained into his lineage is going to take more than just moving into an area with more people of color for it to be changed in his mind. It takes time, experience, and most importantly, _willingness_ . If yall really subscribe to that idea that there is an age threshold for when it's acceptable to shame someone for their mistakes such as these, then wouldn't it make more sense to embrace the change that people like avo have made at their age? Since the basis of your belief is that people should "know better" by that age, it should be harder for people his age to make those changes mentally right? Yet here he is striving to make those changes of what is inherent to him as a white man who was raised among other whites with racist ideologies.
@@NoName-cz3wn I never said that people cant change. What I did say was that there is a lot of holes in what he is saying and this should be addressed. As hes doing panels with his friends, these issues are not being addressed, which actually hurts avo. We dont need to compare this to drug addicts, gang banging or anything else, let's stick to what it is. He was in the culture for several years and there was no indication of him being racist. He was also publicly friends with various African American battle rappers. He was then filmed laughing and contributing to racist comments. The footage actually came out years ago, which is why 24/7 quit battle rap, but people seem to forget this, including avo apparently. We are now in a situation where some people are saying that over the last 6 years there is no evidence of him being racist, he has African american friends etc. Again, this was also the case when he was filmed making the above comments, so it's a really poor defence. The point is that nobody but avo knows if he has changed. BUT if he is going to try and convince people that he has, sitting with friends who are going to avoid properly dealing with some of the obvious questions is not going to help avo at all.
It disappoints me everybody throws 24/7 under the bus like that. He didn't and doesn't think black men are bad fathers. He made that joke, obviously aware of the fact it was based on a racist stereotype. That's why he even went further with the 'based on race'-joke. He wouldn't say that if he really believes that. Saying something you should not say was the fun of it (A lot of battle rap lines are based on this, actually, especially in the Grind Time era). His intention was not racist at all.
We've all been there, and very few of us have had the balls to stand in front of people who care about us (or strangers) and answer for something hurtful or negative we said or did, Let alone have it be 5+ years in the past. None of us wants to be, or should be judged in the present for their past unless we havent changed or are unwilling to answer for who we were. Good on you Avo for sitting down and doing this, and big up everyone who questioned him and held him accountable as a friend, or member of the culture. In public and in private. No way this was easy for anyone, and he couldve just disappeared, but he didnt. Forgive, but dont forget.
Evidence of black creativity does not only exist in America, even here in South Africa we’ve invented genres that have shaped pop culture within the country
No one offers anyone a path at redemption anymore, doesn't matter how much you change and the evidence of the change. People throw the whole person away when they screw up, but then want forgiveness and a 2nd chance when they mess up. Avo, what you did was screwed up, and you was wrong, but I don't think you are that person that you were 6 years ago. Your apology seems to be very sincere and I appreciate that. Most white guys don't take responsibility for their actions when they do foul prejudice and racist stuff. Usually they private or delete their social media, or try to act like nothing ever happened or in worst cases double down on the foul behavior that they displayed. You didn't do any of that you came out here and owned up to what happened and apologized. So for me, I don't believe you are that person 6 years ago, and personally I don't want you to leave the culture either.
@@oteupai.2841 avo cheered and added to a racist joke and he's white he deserves to get flamed. Your making a joke at a black man's expense so yes your punching down. Do you think a racist joke was acceptable just to make your point?
THIS IS SO FUNNY LOL Why are they sitting up there trying to honestly act like black folks don’t crack white people jokes behind closed doors all the time. Everyone cracks jokes about everyone behind closed doors so stop frontin and get over it.
In my opinion, Avocado was young, dumb and immature. We’ve all been there. TBH he looked a little awkward like he didn’t know how to really respond to the situation. IDK just my opinion. Either way... WE ALL KNOW AVOCADO IS NOT RACIST!! LoL
FACTS! White people get racially insulted all the time in battle rap & I'm fucking sick of hearing that we are 'guests' in this culture. It shouldn't matter what colour you are if you enjoy something, isn't that the whole point of equality? If that is the case should black, brown, Asian people not use anything white people made ?
O Black he would care, and we know this because he’s sitting right there openly laying out some faults. He’s putting his pride and ego to the side. That’s a HUGE sign of maturity and something that’s hard for a lot of people, which is why they stay stunted mentally and have the maturity level of teenagers. Look WE’VE ALL done or said some things that we instantly knew we didn’t morally stand for but we said it; whether for lack of judgment, maturity, wisdom, respect, understanding, foresight, etc etc, being in an awkward situation and not knowing how to politely disagree.... WE’VE ALL DONE IT, BUT It shouldn’t define who we are. We’re All sinners and brothers and sisters made in the image of GOD and we need to be quick not to judge but to turn the other cheek, because at some point we were or will be in that persons situation. We need to help ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS of what’s been done to us. It’s not our job to judge one another, it’s our job to constructively help and love one another... even when we fall short.
God dammit... I actually thought of battle rap as a "safe place" from "safe places". Just watch the best artists and the sharpest minds battle the best, regardless of race or sex or being trans or whatever. Everybody welcome but nobody's safe and its fucking beautiful... at least it was.. This drama kills that. This shit is boring and I hope it doesn't ruin battle rap. I can't be the only one who feels this way...
yo gotta be honest, everyone in the comments praising RX after she referenced Farakahn as being someone she listes to, hes one of the most anti-semitic people on the planet.
I mean I can totally understand hating Israel if you're from the middle east bc of what is happening in Palestine, but yes he is extremely bigoted towards Jews. Furthermore, he literally said on tape that he organized the hit on Malcolm X. Fuck Farrakhan.
For the dude who called in, asking any person to dead their flesh and blood over ANY views is not how the human condition works. There are women who were raped by their fathers and still love their father on some level, bc that's her father. It is on my gen and younger of white ppl to try and open those ppls minds, but the idea of "how can you love or respect a racist family member" makes me feel like you just don't understand humanity in general. The real way to change this for future generations is to fight back against the old crusty rich white ppl who spread this toxic shit to the younger generations in the first place. Get rid of ppl like Joe Biden who put so many black fathers in jail, and Donald Trump who wants cops to get away with murder... And no offense to the black communities but you can't beat that machine alone. But the more conversations we have, the more honest dialogue, that's how you stop this shit at its root instead of always just working on one case at a time. And remember, those elites WANT us divided. Not just racially but thats a big angle for them. But the percent of white ppl who are waking up and want to be allies is bigger every year. So as much as, like Geechi says, it feels like y'all have just been taking Ls, from the white side of things, it's only getting worse because its getting better. We are starting to win and the ppl with the old mindset feel like we're taking "their country" from them. FUCK THEIR COUNTRY. Let's talk about how to make this OUR country.
The way to make racist family members realize the error of their ways and stupidity is to be steadfast in your position of not being around them and not claiming , if you can’t do that then you aren’t an ally the way you think , You talk about “not knowing how humanity works “ as if standing up for other humans is less humane . Your humanity shouldn’t let you standby while a 4 century old system of practicing racial domination and degenerative stereotypes is being perpetuated, no matter WHO IT IS , it’s so EASY for y’all to speak from a place of optimism when you aren’t the ones living it !! Smh most of us don’t have time for that shit no more
I have a hard time accepting this conversation of racism in battle rap being the same thing as that convo that has caused all this backlash. I loved the convo here and many good points were brought but talking about things done within the art form and how the rappers used it is far different than the more hateful/ignorant nonsense that was in that video with 24. I don't think those 2 things need to go together. I understand why its all being brought together and with good reasons and an even better cause but this needs to be compartmentalized to a certain degree. Conversations and how one responds to something is different than art itself. With rapping, comedy, whatever ... artist whether distasteful or not are often using the audiences ignorance as well against themselves to get reactions and entertain. Please don't compare that to that convo with 24. This whole idea that rappers in battles were expressing their true ideas or further advancing a systemic racist format is a convo on its own. Rappers/artist in battles is 1 lane ... 2 dudes in conversation shooting the shit is a completely diff lane. There were no other groups of culture present during that convo on cam, no live audience, none of that. They aren't the same and this convo at times amalgamated the 2 which I don't cosign one bit. I love what Avo has done for the battle rap culture but this needs to not be merged in my opinion. This is just speaking from my own opinion for the little that its worth. I've suffered and bled for this rap shit. I believe we all have room for growth and Avo clearly has shown he's grown. I commend him for taking this head on as well. Blessings to RYD you'll continue to get support from me. Thank you
I appreciate your contribution and overall involvement in the scene to a great degree, as a long time fan, but I feel like saying that I think the convo w 24/7 was actually more of a middle ground between a "candid conversation" and "artistic expression"... It happened on a show that was meant for entertainment. They knew people were watching. This wasn't a leaked private chat. In some ways, this makes it worse- you could say- "wow, they were really bold and comfortable to talk like that knowing people were watching", on another side of the coin, you could also see it as an extremely cringey attempt at edgy humor and just being ridiculous for the sake of shock value and entertainment to the viewers, as you said "artist whether distasteful or not are often using the audiences ignorance as well against themselves to get reactions and entertain"- I'm not really sure how that would only apply to battling and not to other forms of entertainment.
I love RX's outlook on all this. I can tell she's a leader. Salute and much love to all of you. Salute from Puerto Rico! Everyone deserves a chance to change and be embraced by all races! We don't really see this kind of shit here
I loved RYD and Avo for all the reasons everyone else does, it brought me back to BR and beyond. I did unsubscribe to RYD Patreon when I first saw the video because I want my dollar to work like a vote. But as a non-black person (I'm half-white/half-mexican who is familiar with both cultures) I feel like its really up to black people in hip hop to make this cancel call, not me. i might be wrong but it still feels wrong-er to continue support without any financial ramifications. I'm learning from these videos either way how complex this is, and thank you for sharing to all involved. I can reconsider support at a later date... There's one thing I notice in these comments tho - WHITE PEOPLE - if you're expressing support for Avo, at the same time dismissing the weight of that video ("it wasn't that racist", "I've heard worse", etc.), YOU AREN'T SUPPORTING AVO AT ALL. In fact, you are making the case worse for him, by 1) ignoring his own acknowledgement of the racism, and 2) adding to the fact that Black people inherently don't trust white people and you saying it wasn't that bad, implies there's even more racist shit out there to be found. Get on board, acknowledge the racism, and learn what you can from there for yourself.
The fact that Avo is speaking out about it does show growth from who that person was. RX, Geechi, and Pass are correct that people do grow and evolve. They are also correct that the conversation needs to happen. I also respect them for being open to dialogue.
I’m glad that Avo has grown. I’ve seen him grow through the years he’s fighting his demons and this is another one that he will/has overcome. Avo has been super helpful to me personally and I do feel he has changed.
Idk because the main thing is we fuck with avo and these battlers here are people we see consistently with him on his platform so it just hits different coming from avocado vs someone else that we don’t even hold the same way.
@@shapriadunn3335 but this isn’t a REAL conversation tho. That’s like if u do some fuked up shit that will offend the masses and ur friends saying she not like that...she’s grown. Those ur friends so they gonna look out regardless. And the fact that they always on the show proves my point. Put battlers like Surf and Lux up there and let’s see a real conversation.
I love this. I love you and the strides you makes everyday to be better Avo. You have great friends and an even greater sense of responsibility. Always a hero in my book.
The thing that upsets me most is that these racist white people make it so hard on the white people who truly are not prejudice. I grew up in a predominately black and hispanic community and I've gotten so much love from so many different races its just literally an impossibility for me to feel any type of racist, not just that but because I have soo much love for the people I grew up with racism and prejudice of any kind pisses me off, and I just wish folks would grow up and stop stereotyping its such an immature and ignorant way of thinking
These are the wrong people to be having this conversation, RX and Pass are trying to come out this with academic explanations, but are supplementing them with non-facts and unacademic explanations
What avocado did is he cut himself and he basically has used the URL to bandage his cut and has learned not to play with a knife anymore but from now on he will have a scar for people to remind him not to play with the knives but the cut has changed the way he thinks about the knife
I found crazy that people saying it was 6 years ago, 6 years ago he was 29 or 30 year old whole grown man. No excuses for a grown man that makes racist or do racists acts. He wasn’t only cheering, he was adding notes and saying racists things as well. A 30 year old white man doesn’t know what white privileged is ? Get the fuck out here man 🤦🏿 There’s no it’s was too long ago and now he changed and we should forgive him, yes we can forgive someone but not be around them. If you want to be forgiven you are forgiven but we don’t want you in our culture point blank period. Racist men or women can have great actions but they still racists, just because someone white have a black child, wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend doesn’t mean they not racist. We don’t need to have no dialogue, we don’t need to check or teach white people about racist. Enough is enough. He cool, he did a lot for the culture and ??? Let me find out URL, RBE fucking with this racist. Gotti, RX, Pass so question is Are yall rocking and supporting him ? Fuck all this BS. We need to cancel more people.
Man I really hope they bring Avo back he a solid dude. He clearly loves black people, left his job making big fucking movies cuz he love battle rap where we he definitely making less money (battle rap ain’t the movies let’s keep it real), he fucked up but he ain’t a racist. He a good dude man.
What’s I don’t understand is that Pass and all of these other rappers that are in KOTD knew this existed before. They knew 24/7 made the home because he rapped about it in one of his rounds when he battled Eurgh on one of the Blackout events
Smh...y'all be forgiving these white people so easily its disgusting...had Smack laughed about anything having to deal with a Jew or any other white URL would be over..
The most disturbing part is, they did it in Atlanta either before or After a mostly black card, WHOM THEY PAID to increase THEIR VIEWS! why is no one pressing 24/7.
Not all white families pass down racist ideology and beliefs. I’ve grown up in very integrated communities and that kind of stuff has never been tolerated. Those types of behaviors are disgusting and deplorable. It’s never ok to make someone feel less than for any reason, especially for the color of their skin.
I’m not saying that shit doesn’t happen or racism doesn’t exist... unfortunately that shit is embedded in every facet of this country. I’m from Florida, lived here my entire life. Florida is like a melting pot for the us, people from all walks of life make their way here especially in the area I live in is very mixed culturally. I’m not saying there aren’t racist assholes here, but from my experience it isn’t being thrown around
....that feeling you get when you look at her, hear her voice, and be like " damn, an hour and 58 mins isn't even enough".... why RX do this everytime.. .im trying to pay attention too, smh 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😭😭😭😭😭😍😍😍😍
At the end of the day, if avo is really sincere and isn't that person anymore, he's going to have to prove it. You can say I'm sorry but now we definitely have to watch your actions. I don't think he'll ever have the overall appreciation and respect he had prior to this.
I hope this is genuine. Cause this meeting is to raise awarness to Racism. I believe in change so just work on that. You erase what you did. So just move forward
His had enough bruh, this dood is a ally! Im upset it happened but welling to move forward. I look up to him even as a grown man I love u avo and please do better man
That's a little different. Diz is Arab and his ppl have arguably gone thru more oppression in the last couple generations than any other race. Its complex bc some of that oppression comes from other groups... also he definitely says it with an A not an ER, so he isn't trying to use it in a derogatory sense. Does he get a N**** Pass bc he's Arab and he raps? Not for my white ass to decide, but I'd be a lot more offended if Charron said it than Diz lol
@@HurricanePride05 na I feel you bro, like I said it ain't for me to judge, but as a whitey I am curious why Hispanics always get a pass but an Arab wouldn't. I got a friend who's half white half Rican and he says it around our black friends and black strangers all the time bc he has dark skin. He grew up rich AF, I spent more time growing up struggling than he did.
I wish brothas had the same energy with each other but unfortunately bc most brothas look at white men as fathers or saviors it’s just different for them. Em made songs about black women and nobody cared. Try saying anything bad Em and watch how mad and emotional brothas get like he’s jesus but Nas, Pac, Hov, Biggie, and so on can get criticized and nobody cares all the time and it’s normal. Avo will be ok. His privilege matter
Facts. Listen bro. All of us won't make it through this war we're in but, hopefully the next generation can will learn from "our" mistakes. Don't really want to include myself in that but, I'm apart of the whole. White people have waged war on us since we encountered them and it's just more covert now. Stay strong salute to you bro
Lets move forward lets grow together let’s forgive and give a second chance. I see avo worth and change working for black company’s. Was it wrong yes did he apologize yes that was him then he’s a new different man now🙏🏽 let’s not forget past but to let go to move forward as people of all races and help each grow change and understand
I hear you and I would tend to agree but, as black people, we have done our share. At this point it's about survival, as it has always been for whites. We need to worry about our children and the future generations. We can't afford to waste time trying to change other groups mind as a collective or individually. We don't have that luxury. That kumbaya shit is over.
If you don't stand for something, You'll fall for anything. Excuses excuses miss me with damage control. I wouldn't do anymore business with him, but what do I know???
I had to stop watching after the Colorado rapper called in. He sounds like one of those people who doesn't believe ex-cons should be employed. Anyway, there's too much focus on whether or not Avocado is or isn't racist, or whether or not he's "changed". The teachable moment that's been overlooked is why the joke by 24/7 is a racist joke to begin with. I don't think we should take for granted that everyone understands that the joke is racist. That joke exists because some people believe that black fathers are "bad fathers". I would love to hear from battle rap fathers Danny Myers, Aye Verb, and Math Hoffa. I would love to hear from Hitman Holla and Calicoe about how Big Gerald and Blackface support their careers.
The joke was about a lot of black fathers not being around for their kids. It a major problem in the black community. That directly relates to 4 of the 5 people you listed. Verb, Math and Danny all have kids that they did not live with/raise on a daily basis. Calicoe's dad was locked up for years. The "joke" pertained to 4 out of 5 people that you listed as good examples of fathers. The lack of dad's living with their kids is a major problem. The joke was in poor taste but it's based in statistical truth. That's why everyone got the joke. Society should be outraged at dads not living with their kids WAY more than a joke about it. The best thing for the black kids and their communities would be to have a strong familial base
@@Mrjohndoe280 Yes everyone understood it was a joke, and hardly anyone found it funny. Many found it more than not-funny, they found it offensive. Let's assume that what you say is true, that absentee fathers are a problem in the black community. The joke by 24/7 then, however fleeting, only adds insult to injury. The joke doesn't "pertain" to anyone - it's a negative stereotype that undermines black people's struggle to gain respect, especially those black men who are actually good parents. My point to have a discussion with the battle rap fathers isn't to prove anyone wrong about anything, nor to parade them around and say "see look...", no it's to have a discussion about black fatherhood, its challenges, and why the topic of black fatherhood is not a laughing matter. I don't know if these battle rappers are good fathers or not, and neither do you, but we should show them respect and listen to what they have to say.
@@acpjr I don't think that's a bad idea. And I don't disagree at all about the joke. My point is more that I think we are really close to the real heart of the matter, which is absentee fathers. With that we can discuss the challenges of black fatherhood. The sterotype exists for a really sad reason. I would like to focus more on that reason particularly, then deal with the asshole jokes. Longterm, once that reason goes away the stereotype will too. I am all for hearing what they all have to say and I think we both agree that it would be great to hear a lot more about fatherhood, specifically in the black community
Avocado and everybody who promoted white supremacy stereotypes should, (if they are remorseful) take time and create content that 1. exposes what was done systematically to black people and how those things lead to the conditions we are in now. 2. show and promote positive black men and masculinity (because we gotta counter the feminization of black men). 3 dont let anybody else talk that shit around you.(if it was your grandma or your child you wouldnt let a mf talk crazy about them so have that same regard for black people)
I said it once I’ll say it again avocado is a whole Nother person and he deserves a whole another chance if he does this in the future then he deserves to be called out for his actions you can’t judge a person or six years ago but you can watch them closely though. The only thing that worries me though is if you piss a person off who is built this way or the world changes to become races again like it has before like when he’s a grandfather in the world says Black people are bad again in 30 years which side will he be because you know history is forcefully repeated for control.
The thing about this situation is that if it happened to some random person, it would be hard to say that they have changed just due to the fact that it has been 6 years.....but with Avo we have been able to witness his growth and see how he’s changed as a person with things such as ruin an hour and plenty of things he’s done for the culture. If you think otherwise and want him gone, then you’re not wrong because that’s your opinion and you have the right to believe whatever you want. Personally, Avo has helped me with personal things in my life and I believe he is not that person we saw in the video.
If we are going to take people who were once racist but no longer are, and tell them they're racist forever, then racist people will never have an incentive to change their ways.
They need an incentive to do the right thing?
@@starielife2680 if a person is really trying to change, why hate on it tho?
@@starielife2680 some of us do it just because...there are some of us that need some motivation
You know what abandoning systemic racism means for white people? It means giving up privilege. That privilege may be the difference between having a job and not having one. So yes, it does require incentive, even if it is clearly, no debate, the right thing to do.
@@origamibulldoser1618 It's basic psychology, I think. To change a bad habit, you need to replace with something else, and you need incentive to ensure it sticks. So whether it's swearing less in casual conversation, to not being racist, you have to at least be able to point out "the good ones" and ensure those good behaviors are shown and emphasized to be acceptable.
This discussion is really helpfull for people like me ( from Romania, Europe ) that never realised were racist or how many forms racism can have, because we have never really been exposed to too many people of color. Racism in my country is normalised against gypsies for example.
This conversation was really eye opening and made me challenge lots of the stereotypes In my country and i am definitely looking to self educate more now.
Big shout out to Rx, Geechi,Pass for taking time to educate us and also to Avo for being willing to be put in the line of fire and taking all that hear for the greater good imo.
I am the same from Romania and I was same like you racist against gypsies. But I was like this because I was listening Parazitii and agreeing with Cheloo when he was raping his verse and always beeing against gypsies but this was years ago when I was young and without no leadership but now when a grew up I can say that I accept them and understand their culture and now I can say that I love them and their music, I m not talking about manele. The old music called fiddler in english and lautareasca in romanian .
White ppl are racists by nature..they're racist around the wolrd. Why is the real question
I'm also from Europe and it's making me look at things differently too, although the context in Europe is much different imo (my ancestors never had black slaves, and they were actually slaves themselves)
Dubb Chubb dude, you ever been to literally anywhere else in the world? People of all color can be racist as fuck. Ask a black person how they feel in Asia and you’ll get some good answers.
Dubb Chubb so all white people are racist for u?
I really appreciate Avo taking this on head on and not running from it, not saying I'm sorry and expecting us to move on... using his platform to start the conversation
If you don't give people credit for changing, then you don't give the world a reason to change.
Realest comment on here period!
1 of the realest things i ever heard in my life
and specifically Avo, he has grown and changed SO much since then. If you followed him for aslong as i have you know his journey and how much he has grown and changed for the better over those years
You fucking idiots you can’t be unracist you can only suppress it ❗️❗️ That’s facts !!!!
DJ-NuGGeT man stfu it’s easy to change when you have to work for and make money off the same people you secretly think less off !! This is culture vulturism to the T!!! Fake it till you make it smh
The second I saw the video and saw how physically different he was, I knew this was something from the past. I compared it to what I've seen as of late, including the Twork marathon, which was cool as a part of this culture and as a Human. If I had everything held over me I've done, I'd still be that same person and I'm sure many can say the same. It wasn't his finest hour, but personally in my book I won't make it his last.
I’m still not mad at Avo. He’s been a different man the past 6 years. While it was uncomfortable to watch, I put more stock in what a person has been consistently doing as opposed to an isolated incident from their past. I can’t hold that against him. And the primary difference I’ve seen between Avo and others who’ve had situations like this is he has taken full accountability. How many white man who’ve made racist comments have ever sat in a room with 3 black people and taken every bit of the criticism and questions the sent his way? They pulled no punches and Avo gave no excuses. That’s just my take tho.
You don't knlw him personally, all you know him from is his work, and stuff in front of the camera... not saying you can't feel like that but its not for a valid reason
One Deep You’re right I don’t. But Hollow, Geechi, B-Dot, Jaz and so many other black men and women do know him personally behind closed doors and behind the cameras. They are his actual friends. The reason people are so shocked by this are because of who Avo is NOW. That’s because Avo has not been that type of person in recent history.
@@MDAce150 At the same time, just cause you're friends with somebody don't mean you know everything about them. For example, Jay Blac and Tech... he could still be hiding his real feelings about them
Even in his apology he said, he really used to feel that way, so its not like he never felt thay way, he was just laughing
One Deep Agreed. But honestly, can any of us out here say Avo has done ANYTHING in the past 6 years that even slightly indicates he might think the way he did back then?
Kyle/Avacado thank you for continuing to grow.
Very intelligent questions and responses from RX. She held it down.
Not really. They can’t have genuine conversations, because if he said something that they didn’t like it would be a problem. The only way this would’ve been productive is if everyone can say what they wanted without the fear of what people think.
If avocado didn’t say he has privilege and overall kiss black peoples ass then people would cancel him. So it changes nothing. When he goes home he’s still going to think the same way behind closed doors because he couldn’t have a genuine convo and get everything he wanted to say off.
When Rx asked him since he only knows 2 Black people how would he know about black fatherhood, the real response would be from stereotypes, internet, and statistics. But he had to say some bullshit because he had to think how would people perceive these statements.
@@jjf77able The convo wasn't just for Avocado. It was for all white people to think about the stereotypes they make fun of and how deep rooted they are.
Leroy Peeples True. I’m just saying there won’t be any real change until they can tell people exactly how they feel without backlash.
Even if Avo genuinely hated Black people. Or genuinely thinks they are crappy fathers, he’d never me able to say it here. Because the culture would immediately cancel him. Which refrains from any genuine conversation.
If Avo straight up said “Yeah I think black fathers aren’t good because ______” everyone would lose their shit on him. So since he can’t openly say that, or how he genuinely feels about Black people, it’s still in the back of his mind, and there were no discussion to convince him why his thought process was incorrect because the convo was never had.
@@jjf77able Again, that wasn't the purpose. It was to explain why that behavior isn't tolerated. The white perspective is inherently rooted in racism due to this country's origin. Stop caping for him. And if you're white, leave this convo alone.
Leroy Peeples I don’t care for anyone. And stop with identity politics. I’m an adult that has my own thought process. I don’t have to abide by anyone else’s thoughts because we share skin color.
If you learn how to actually read I don’t care for avocado. I’m just saying this entire video was pointless since there’s no genuine conversation going on here. They have to ask questions that don’t make it look like they’re on his side, because they’ll be called uncle toms. And Avo has to answer questions to kiss ass, because he’d get cancelled otherwise. That was my point.
And I don’t want to hear your thoughts on racism. Assuming you’re a grown man: Stop being a bitch and do something about your life. Stop bitching to white people or about racism. No one cares. Only 2020 where grown black men cry about racism.
This was dope. People do grow. Dope the rest of the cast to didn’t shut out Avo for good. Appreciate this video
They value a camera man more than they value our support.
Colby Reese exactly. Dismissing him would bring more hate to the world imo. I understand if someone is mistrusting and hesitant to accept them though, and that’s valid for sure. All I’m sayin is, giving people the opportunity to grow on their own is what the world needs.
Dough Jones lol
This approach was needed and similar situations should be addressed as such. Hats off to you all, respect.
Saying Suge look like melted cheese IS NOT racism. It's making fun.. smh...
Hella times we've made fun of T Rex wearin tight ass shirts, does that make us racist? Hell no!
That shit is hilarious tho lol like this ain’t battle rap culture smh suge would prob laugh at that shit
RX is a Queen! 👸🏾😍
People can change and learn from past mistakes. Hopefully Avocado will change and learn from this experience not because he got caught but because he actually became a better person. Either way God bless you Avocado, only God can judge you.
Not trying to defend inappropriate comments or whatever. But I think it’s pretty obvious that Avocado has grown and changed as a person, that’s what human beings do! I mean at this point, he’s acknowledged what he said was wrong and has been transparent about it. What else can you expect from him at this point? Either you’re gonna forgive him and move on or your not
Human beings shutup we all human but we aint the same simple
Exactly
I love both Geechi and Rx especially here. I value their perspectives and the way they think. This video means a lot to me growing up Latino and Italian and being fucked with by both sides. Watching this dialogue makes me feel better because we as a society need to break down these walls, have these conversations, and mend as best we can. We all have a place in this world. Facts.
Avo has some big ass balls to just stand there and take all this heat over a tiny situation that happened 6 years ago. And it wasn't even him saying the joke... that's just blowing shit out of proportion.
I’m Native American, and I can honestly say that I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago and people change for the better. I think Avocado has shown nothing but growth as a person. That in itself is enough for me. Avocado and ruin your day has been a big part of my journey to healing and growing as well. I relate to change, and not being the person I was 5 years ago. I personally forgive Avocados and want to see him grow more as a person all we can do is be a better person than yesterday. I accept his apology though I’m Native American I’ve experienced a lot worse in person. Avocado faced the music and I feel he’s genuinely sorry and I truly do believe he’s a different person today. We can accept that it happened forgive it, and help each other grow together that’s unity.
Only problem is he was 30 years old in that video 🤣 that's old as hell to not know who you really are at all
DKayRios209 then that’s your judgement to make my friend. Like I said I’m not who I was 5 years ago and can relate to growth, the actions speak louder than words and his positives outweigh the one negative we’ve seen. So to me the positive and growth he’s shown is genuine. It’s sounds like your just judging someone for his age rather then supporting growth in my opinion
DKayRios209 judging someone for being 30 and trying to better themselves can also be taken as negative from someone else’s perspective, sorry but that’s my take on it
The best apart about this whole interaction to me, Besides the realness of Pass, Geechi and RX, Is how Avo answered the questions like it just happened, as he is there again, He reminded to excludes all that he's done now in that point of ignorance and answer as the man he is before them now. He knows where he is at and and accepted all angles... We all did/do dumb shit. Learn, grow, accept... We are not yesterday and we never remeber tomorrow... Stay focused people, we have too much love to fall for all this...
With everything going on in the world, mediums like battle rap are vital to bridging gaps between races. Discussions like this are important and is the best way to treat such issues rather than the cancel culture. Thanks to everyone involved.
RX KNOW DANG WELL SHE Wanted to laugh 😂 when avacado said “suge body look like melted cheese 🧀!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 it was funny though
She tried her best to hold that in
LMAO I noticed that shit too lol
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When this is what you want to focus on it doesn’t reflect well on either what you think about white supremacy or body shaming.
John Smith awwwh maan shut up 🤐 you taking it way out of context lol
Never thought you could get 3-0'd on the phone. Good shit Geechi and great points
bruh
i remeber some years back i was looking at fed time i was locked up in Dickerson detroit Michigan
i was just being myself on the cool but some black folks hated me cause i was mexican it was 3 of them one dude was from cali he was the one that hatedd me f.r for no reason the other 2 where just sheeps following along the one from cali so cali one day said something outta line to me now mind u im from detroit so to me is whatever i want all the smoke so i offered all 3 of em to box me 1 on 1 they aint think i would im only 5.8 but i was ready to box so we did i boxed all 3 of em 1 by 1
after that they never looked at me the same we shook hands n we ate TOGETHER i told em dont trip bruh i know u aint know no better blessed homie with some commissary n told em just dont misjudge otherd by the color of they skin im proud to be an amigo but i love black folks but moral of the story is understand sometimes people literally dont know no better
Stay yo azz out of jail
UMA KEEP IT 100 WE CANT READ MINDS BUT ONE THING I DO KNOW WE NEED THIS DUDE TO SHOOT THESE BATTLES LOL DO I ACCEPT HIS APOLOGY??? YES YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE WITH ME IT'S 2 STRIKES THEN YOUR OUT HE DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS AGAIN HE'S DONE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE WAY HE GREW UP AND THE PEOPLE HE GREW UP AROUND COULD OF HAD HIS MIND THINKING ALL THAT MESSED UP STUFF ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WAS COOL TO THINK OR FUNNY TO SAY, BUT HE SAY HE'S NOT LIKE THAT ANY MORE SO I'M BACK ROCKING WITH AVO. -MAT
As a black man, I dont believe that merely saying something is “racist”, racism is about actions, measures, and establishments. Do I see how people could be offended by that video ? Of course, I do not think that makes any of them actually racist tho
exactly and his actions all show that he has done a lot to actually provide a platform and avenue for black voices to be heard more...
This exactly how I feel
All 3 of U SOUND LIKE IDIOTS
@@2sicc377 Or perhaps you're the simpleton who doesn't understand people have complex attitudes and behaviors and the entirety of who someone is, isn't nor should it be based off of a moment but a totality of experience and displays of character....yeah I'm gonna go with that. But you keep on, with how you're ironically judging us, im sure you're without fault
I don’t think he’s truly raciest but I still think it’s so wrong to play into those fucked up stereotypes that are used to try to keep black peoples down. When 24/7 said that comment about black fathers he should of not co-signed that but I feel like he was soft and not only let it slide but said touché. I don’t think he hates black peoples or truly agrees with what 24/7 said. I’m also not gonna say he should be forgiven or that he shouldn’t be kicked out. At the end of the day I’m not a black man or women and it’s not up to me to decide how people should feel. My neighbor is a black father and he’s a great fucking guy. He works everyday and comes home to play basketball with his kids. If he heard what was said how am I gonna try to tell him how to feel.
This was good to hear. I'm glad you guys are being PRODUCTIVE. It's not anyone's job to be but I'm glad this happened.
No excuse for the actions there, but the timing of the release of that video clip was suspect too.
Yeah man,
What makes it suspect? Real question?
@@Rmedina126st Maybe he might be talkin bout how the whole community had avo's back. Caffeine took over URL and told avo to fuck off and Battle rap twitter (including BIG battle rappers) exploded. The whole community deadass held hands and said "avo is a goat" and BOOM! That clip resurfaces and now you're here.
It’s a bad timing for a 6 year old video, involving a guy who’s earned his stripes big-time in a culture he’s a guest in, to pop up again and discredit him this way.
Yes, the vibe from the video was bad.
Yes, Kyle apologized and realizes the mistakes he’s made.
Makes one wonder if this video would have come up if:
a. George Floyd’s death/murder didn’t happen.
b. The world wasn’t on fire due to COVID and BLM protests/riots.
c. Last but not least, Kyle didn’t speak up against Caffeine.
Cancel culture in full effect.
Hope you get through this ordeal, Kyle. Good luck, you’re still the best, regardless of what you did 6 years ago. ;)
Bossie Bos Stfu
Quedarious James Yeah, okey. 👍🏻
10th Wonder Maybe. Sometimes. Sometimes they don’t. Either way, there’s a difference between conspiracy theories and synchronicity.
Bruh , common man, as a black man supporting Avo in his change and completely forgiving him 100%, this is completely fuckin ignorant to say it wouldn’t have come out due to George Floyd , tasteless trolling 👌🏾
Jeremy Ballard It’s actually pretty ignorant to pretend to know it would.
With all due respect, I think you’re missing the point...
The conversation definitely shouldn’t even be battle rap! It was never about that......Thank y’all for saying that and at the end of the day, you can either forgive Avo or not......He can’t make you nor should you feel obligated to do so no matter what he says or does.......It’s on you to decide if and when you do there’s no time table on that either
Black people as a whole we have a deep inherited trait of forgiveness. I, personally, would never want to be judged on my past transgressions. I strongly disagree with the notion that "this" is how white people are behind closed doors. Let's not forget that Harriet Tubman had a lot of white people help the underground slaves she moved from state-to-state. White people marched with MLKjr and today white people and many other races have been apart of the BLM movement worldwide because they see injustice of black people. Avocado should not be canceled or stopped being apart of the culture he has adapted to. Let's stop saying "guest in hi hop" like there were no white people in hip hop in the 80s... 'MC Serch, Beastie Boys'. Rakim said 'It's not where you from, It's where you at'.
I'm black and was hurt I'm a big battle rap fan I say Avo Jay Blac and URL is three biggest forces in the culture for as keeping me entertain I ain't going give you a pass bro but I don't want to see you and the content leave battle rap we just got to figure this shit out
Have you ever done anything in life and wanted forgiveness for we only human and if Avo is welling to change and learn we gotta except that and teach that the only way we grow as a BRC
The beauty in all this pain is that this damage opens up potential for much broader healing. And that much broader healing is what we all need going forward because the fight we have on our hands is going to be so much harder if we cannot trust each other, if we don’t make ourselves deeply accountable for our harms.
I love all of the perspectives on this video... geechi a real one... rx a real one... avo... do the work... keep putting actions behind your words... if you end up being in the culture just keep growing and working to be a better person... we should all be on that path...
This is a good conversation to have. I'm similar to Avo, similar age and similar background (although I'm from the UK) in terms of growing up going to a largely white school - maybe two Black kids. I had groups of friends who were pretty toxic (looking back at it now), they regularly made racist and sexist jokes. I called them out a few times in recent years and got a lot of aggression back. In the end I cut them out. Hopefully we can all grow and change.
The world has moved on a lot in the last few years, #metoo and #timesup, climate change, Black Lives Matter. Even in battle rap, battlers are coming out as bisexual and gay. I can't imagine that would have been accepted a couple of years ago. Change is good, progressing is good. Otherwise the sub culture dies.
imagine going at your friend like this over some shit they said 6 years ago lol, must suck to walk on eggshells around people that are supposed to be friends, now they want to know what he does in private, what he does when they arent around, what goes on in your mind, this shit is tough to watch gave me a headache, Avo aint a racist if he were he wouldnt sit here and listen to all this.
Quarantine got my mans geechi rockin da Leonard Washington fro 😂
They don't know Chappelle's Show!
you better use ya inside voice.. before i put yo ass outside.
How is it a sincere apology when you didn't apologize four years ago you just got caught
S/O RX. Put him on the hot seat! Should’ve asked him if Caffeine leaked it.
BDOT really didn’t want any part of this. Avo said he grew up racist, What’s the Convo for. Smh S/O to RX tho
People need to see Bdots video on this issue. One of the points he raised was the fact that when the video was filmed, avo was around 29/30. Avo was not living where he grew up and was surrounded by people of colour and knew better. Shout outs to the caller from Colorado, asking some key questions that the panel (friends of avo) were never going to ask.
I gotta disagree. I know ppl right now who are mid-20s and gay. Raised by homophobic parents. Once they learned THEIR kid was gay, eventually they realized the views they held were wrong. His parents are around 50 years old.
Do you think drug addicts can't get sober at 30? Let's say some dude is a hardened gangbanger with multiple bodies to his name, but one day he has a kid and realizes "damn, every person I killed was someone's child", then changes his life.
Some ppl def do fake change but age has nothing to do with it. I converted my racist grandmother who is 70 and this is all FACTS. She believed all the media bullshit about y'all until I made an effort to change her. I showed her she was wrong and she's a better person. Not one word of this is an exaggeration.
I mean I agree with a lot of what B dot said, but that point is kind of silly imo. An ideology that is that inherently engrained into his lineage is going to take more than just moving into an area with more people of color for it to be changed in his mind. It takes time, experience, and most importantly, _willingness_ .
If yall really subscribe to that idea that there is an age threshold for when it's acceptable to shame someone for their mistakes such as these, then wouldn't it make more sense to embrace the change that people like avo have made at their age? Since the basis of your belief is that people should "know better" by that age, it should be harder for people his age to make those changes mentally right? Yet here he is striving to make those changes of what is inherent to him as a white man who was raised among other whites with racist ideologies.
@@NoName-cz3wn I never said that people cant change. What I did say was that there is a lot of holes in what he is saying and this should be addressed. As hes doing panels with his friends, these issues are not being addressed, which actually hurts avo. We dont need to compare this to drug addicts, gang banging or anything else, let's stick to what it is. He was in the culture for several years and there was no indication of him being racist. He was also publicly friends with various African American battle rappers. He was then filmed laughing and contributing to racist comments. The footage actually came out years ago, which is why 24/7 quit battle rap, but people seem to forget this, including avo apparently. We are now in a situation where some people are saying that over the last 6 years there is no evidence of him being racist, he has African american friends etc. Again, this was also the case when he was filmed making the above comments, so it's a really poor defence. The point is that nobody but avo knows if he has changed. BUT if he is going to try and convince people that he has, sitting with friends who are going to avoid properly dealing with some of the obvious questions is not going to help avo at all.
It disappoints me everybody throws 24/7 under the bus like that. He didn't and doesn't think black men are bad fathers. He made that joke, obviously aware of the fact it was based on a racist stereotype. That's why he even went further with the 'based on race'-joke. He wouldn't say that if he really believes that. Saying something you should not say was the fun of it (A lot of battle rap lines are based on this, actually, especially in the Grind Time era). His intention was not racist at all.
We've all been there, and very few of us have had the balls to stand in front of people who care about us (or strangers) and answer for something hurtful or negative we said or did, Let alone have it be 5+ years in the past. None of us wants to be, or should be judged in the present for their past unless we havent changed or are unwilling to answer for who we were. Good on you Avo for sitting down and doing this, and big up everyone who questioned him and held him accountable as a friend, or member of the culture. In public and in private. No way this was easy for anyone, and he couldve just disappeared, but he didnt. Forgive, but dont forget.
Evidence of black creativity does not only exist in America, even here in South Africa we’ve invented genres that have shaped pop culture within the country
No one offers anyone a path at redemption anymore, doesn't matter how much you change and the evidence of the change. People throw the whole person away when they screw up, but then want forgiveness and a 2nd chance when they mess up.
Avo, what you did was screwed up, and you was wrong, but I don't think you are that person that you were 6 years ago. Your apology seems to be very sincere and I appreciate that.
Most white guys don't take responsibility for their actions when they do foul prejudice and racist stuff. Usually they private or delete their social media, or try to act like nothing ever happened or in worst cases double down on the foul behavior that they displayed.
You didn't do any of that you came out here and owned up to what happened and apologized. So for me, I don't believe you are that person 6 years ago, and personally I don't want you to leave the culture either.
The chat was really going crazy on avo. Shit was hilarious. Me personally as a black man im keeping my eye on you.
me personally as a white man im keeping my eye on you also.
@@oteupai.2841 you know jokes like these are why its a problem right ? Read the room dawg not the right time dont punch down.
@@rpgtimefire hm, so i'm punching down but u ain't? read the room dawg
@@oteupai.2841 avo cheered and added to a racist joke and he's white he deserves to get flamed. Your making a joke at a black man's expense so yes your punching down. Do you think a racist joke was acceptable just to make your point?
@@rpgtimefire wait, my joke was racist?
THIS IS SO FUNNY LOL
Why are they sitting up there trying to honestly act like black folks don’t crack white people jokes behind closed doors all the time. Everyone cracks jokes about everyone behind closed doors so stop frontin and get over it.
In my opinion, Avocado was young, dumb and immature. We’ve all been there. TBH he looked a little awkward like he didn’t know how to really respond to the situation. IDK just my opinion. Either way... WE ALL KNOW AVOCADO IS NOT RACIST!! LoL
FACTS! White people get racially insulted all the time in battle rap & I'm fucking sick of hearing that we are 'guests' in this culture. It shouldn't matter what colour you are if you enjoy something, isn't that the whole point of equality? If that is the case should black, brown, Asian people not use anything white people made ?
If no money was involved he wouldnt care. WE DONT NEED DEVILS
O Black he would care, and we know this because he’s sitting right there openly laying out some faults. He’s putting his pride and ego to the side. That’s a HUGE sign of maturity and something that’s hard for a lot of people, which is why they stay stunted mentally and have the maturity level of teenagers.
Look WE’VE ALL done or said some things that we instantly knew we didn’t morally stand for but we said it; whether for lack of judgment, maturity, wisdom, respect, understanding, foresight, etc etc, being in an awkward situation and not knowing how to politely disagree.... WE’VE ALL DONE IT, BUT
It shouldn’t define who we are. We’re All sinners and brothers and sisters made in the image of GOD and we need to be quick not to judge but to turn the other cheek, because at some point we were or will be in that persons situation. We need to help ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS of what’s been done to us. It’s not our job to judge one another, it’s our job to constructively help and love one another... even when we fall short.
This wasnt closed doors though
Wow.RX very well said.whole new respect!!!. .. This was important to have. An in depth conversation with a "former bigot". This is deep.
we all make mistakes...forgive but never forget
God dammit... I actually thought of battle rap as a "safe place" from "safe places". Just watch the best artists and the sharpest minds battle the best, regardless of race or sex or being trans or whatever. Everybody welcome but nobody's safe and its fucking beautiful... at least it was.. This drama kills that. This shit is boring and I hope it doesn't ruin battle rap. I can't be the only one who feels this way...
yo gotta be honest, everyone in the comments praising RX after she referenced Farakahn as being someone she listes to, hes one of the most anti-semitic people on the planet.
I mean I can totally understand hating Israel if you're from the middle east bc of what is happening in Palestine, but yes he is extremely bigoted towards Jews.
Furthermore, he literally said on tape that he organized the hit on Malcolm X. Fuck Farrakhan.
For the dude who called in, asking any person to dead their flesh and blood over ANY views is not how the human condition works. There are women who were raped by their fathers and still love their father on some level, bc that's her father. It is on my gen and younger of white ppl to try and open those ppls minds, but the idea of "how can you love or respect a racist family member" makes me feel like you just don't understand humanity in general.
The real way to change this for future generations is to fight back against the old crusty rich white ppl who spread this toxic shit to the younger generations in the first place. Get rid of ppl like Joe Biden who put so many black fathers in jail, and Donald Trump who wants cops to get away with murder...
And no offense to the black communities but you can't beat that machine alone. But the more conversations we have, the more honest dialogue, that's how you stop this shit at its root instead of always just working on one case at a time. And remember, those elites WANT us divided. Not just racially but thats a big angle for them. But the percent of white ppl who are waking up and want to be allies is bigger every year. So as much as, like Geechi says, it feels like y'all have just been taking Ls, from the white side of things, it's only getting worse because its getting better. We are starting to win and the ppl with the old mindset feel like we're taking "their country" from them. FUCK THEIR COUNTRY. Let's talk about how to make this OUR country.
The way to make racist family members realize the error of their ways and stupidity is to be steadfast in your position of not being around them and not claiming , if you can’t do that then you aren’t an ally the way you think , You talk about “not knowing how humanity works “ as if standing up for other humans is less humane . Your humanity shouldn’t let you standby while a 4 century old system of practicing racial domination and degenerative stereotypes is being perpetuated, no matter WHO IT IS , it’s so EASY for y’all to speak from a place of optimism when you aren’t the ones living it !! Smh most of us don’t have time for that shit no more
I have a hard time accepting this conversation of racism in battle rap being the same thing as that convo that has caused all this backlash. I loved the convo here and many good points were brought but talking about things done within the art form and how the rappers used it is far different than the more hateful/ignorant nonsense that was in that video with 24. I don't think those 2 things need to go together. I understand why its all being brought together and with good reasons and an even better cause but this needs to be compartmentalized to a certain degree. Conversations and how one responds to something is different than art itself. With rapping, comedy, whatever ... artist whether distasteful or not are often using the audiences ignorance as well against themselves to get reactions and entertain. Please don't compare that to that convo with 24.
This whole idea that rappers in battles were expressing their true ideas or further advancing a systemic racist format is a convo on its own. Rappers/artist in battles is 1 lane ... 2 dudes in conversation shooting the shit is a completely diff lane. There were no other groups of culture present during that convo on cam, no live audience, none of that. They aren't the same and this convo at times amalgamated the 2 which I don't cosign one bit. I love what Avo has done for the battle rap culture but this needs to not be merged in my opinion. This is just speaking from my own opinion for the little that its worth. I've suffered and bled for this rap shit. I believe we all have room for growth and Avo clearly has shown he's grown. I commend him for taking this head on as well. Blessings to RYD you'll continue to get support from me. Thank you
I appreciate your contribution and overall involvement in the scene to a great degree, as a long time fan, but I feel like saying that I think the convo w 24/7 was actually more of a middle ground between a "candid conversation" and "artistic expression"... It happened on a show that was meant for entertainment. They knew people were watching. This wasn't a leaked private chat. In some ways, this makes it worse- you could say- "wow, they were really bold and comfortable to talk like that knowing people were watching", on another side of the coin, you could also see it as an extremely cringey attempt at edgy humor and just being ridiculous for the sake of shock value and entertainment to the viewers, as you said "artist whether distasteful or not are often using the audiences ignorance as well against themselves to get reactions and entertain"- I'm not really sure how that would only apply to battling and not to other forms of entertainment.
Shoutout to pass man. His input was much needed much respect 💯💯
I love RX's outlook on all this. I can tell she's a leader. Salute and much love to all of you. Salute from Puerto Rico! Everyone deserves a chance to change and be embraced by all races! We don't really see this kind of shit here
I loved RYD and Avo for all the reasons everyone else does, it brought me back to BR and beyond. I did unsubscribe to RYD Patreon when I first saw the video because I want my dollar to work like a vote. But as a non-black person (I'm half-white/half-mexican who is familiar with both cultures) I feel like its really up to black people in hip hop to make this cancel call, not me. i might be wrong but it still feels wrong-er to continue support without any financial ramifications. I'm learning from these videos either way how complex this is, and thank you for sharing to all involved. I can reconsider support at a later date... There's one thing I notice in these comments tho - WHITE PEOPLE - if you're expressing support for Avo, at the same time dismissing the weight of that video ("it wasn't that racist", "I've heard worse", etc.), YOU AREN'T SUPPORTING AVO AT ALL. In fact, you are making the case worse for him, by 1) ignoring his own acknowledgement of the racism, and 2) adding to the fact that Black people inherently don't trust white people and you saying it wasn't that bad, implies there's even more racist shit out there to be found. Get on board, acknowledge the racism, and learn what you can from there for yourself.
The fact that Avo is speaking out about it does show growth from who that person was. RX, Geechi, and Pass are correct that people do grow and evolve. They are also correct that the conversation needs to happen. I also respect them for being open to dialogue.
I’m glad that Avo has grown. I’ve seen him grow through the years he’s fighting his demons and this is another one that he will/has overcome. Avo has been super helpful to me personally and I do feel he has changed.
RX, Pass & Geechi, thank you for teaching and giving your perspectives when you didn't have to
These conversations should include other battle rappers who actually felt a way about the comments. Not jus the west coast or Avo friends.
Exactly
Idk because the main thing is we fuck with avo and these battlers here are people we see consistently with him on his platform so it just hits different coming from avocado vs someone else that we don’t even hold the same way.
Idk if it makes sense how I wrote that...I been drinkin
@@shapriadunn3335 but this isn’t a REAL conversation tho. That’s like if u do some fuked up shit that will offend the masses and ur friends saying she not like that...she’s grown. Those ur friends so they gonna look out regardless. And the fact that they always on the show proves my point. Put battlers like Surf and Lux up there and let’s see a real conversation.
You guys didn't watch the video? Mr. Biscuit was pretty ruthless against Avo.
I love this. I love you and the strides you makes everyday to be better Avo. You have great friends and an even greater sense of responsibility. Always a hero in my book.
🙈🙈🙈🙈
The thing that upsets me most is that these racist white people make it so hard on the white people who truly are not prejudice. I grew up in a predominately black and hispanic community and I've gotten so much love from so many different races its just literally an impossibility for me to feel any type of racist, not just that but because I have soo much love for the people I grew up with racism and prejudice of any kind pisses me off, and I just wish folks would grow up and stop stereotyping its such an immature and ignorant way of thinking
These are the wrong people to be having this conversation, RX and Pass are trying to come out this with academic explanations, but are supplementing them with non-facts and unacademic explanations
What avocado did is he cut himself and he basically has used the URL to bandage his cut and has learned not to play with a knife anymore but from now on he will have a scar for people to remind him not to play with the knives but the cut has changed the way he thinks about the knife
I found crazy that people saying it was 6 years ago, 6 years ago he was 29 or 30 year old whole grown man. No excuses for a grown man that makes racist or do racists acts. He wasn’t only cheering, he was adding notes and saying racists things as well. A 30 year old white man doesn’t know what white privileged is ? Get the fuck out here man 🤦🏿 There’s no it’s was too long ago and now he changed and we should forgive him, yes we can forgive someone but not be around them. If you want to be forgiven you are forgiven but we don’t want you in our culture point blank period.
Racist men or women can have great actions but they still racists, just because someone white have a black child, wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend doesn’t mean they not racist.
We don’t need to have no dialogue, we don’t need to check or teach white people about racist. Enough is enough. He cool, he did a lot for the culture and ???
Let me find out URL, RBE fucking with this racist. Gotti, RX, Pass so question is
Are yall rocking and supporting him ? Fuck all this BS. We need to cancel more people.
RX had some good points. I forgive avo now. RX is very persuasive. She so right...
Man I really hope they bring Avo back he a solid dude. He clearly loves black people, left his job making big fucking movies cuz he love battle rap where we he definitely making less money (battle rap ain’t the movies let’s keep it real), he fucked up but he ain’t a racist. He a good dude man.
What’s I don’t understand is that Pass and all of these other rappers that are in KOTD knew this existed before. They knew 24/7 made the home because he rapped about it in one of his rounds when he battled Eurgh on one of the Blackout events
Smh...y'all be forgiving these white people so easily its disgusting...had Smack laughed about anything having to deal with a Jew or any other white URL would be over..
I HIGHLY doubt white racism is not as taboo as black or any other minority racism
Lmao. Now I know you're full of shit.
@@mindlander awww are 'jew in your feelings🥺
@@ashleyb4549 doo Doo wordplay aside, nah you're comment was just laughable.
I'm dead, someone said "time" 😭😭
The most disturbing part is, they did it in Atlanta either before or After a mostly black card, WHOM THEY PAID to increase THEIR VIEWS!
why is no one pressing 24/7.
Not all white families pass down racist ideology and beliefs. I’ve grown up in very integrated communities and that kind of stuff has never been tolerated. Those types of behaviors are disgusting and deplorable. It’s never ok to make someone feel less than for any reason, especially for the color of their skin.
I’m not saying that shit doesn’t happen or racism doesn’t exist... unfortunately that shit is embedded in every facet of this country. I’m from Florida, lived here my entire life. Florida is like a melting pot for the us, people from all walks of life make their way here especially in the area I live in is very mixed culturally. I’m not saying there aren’t racist assholes here, but from my experience it isn’t being thrown around
Wish they made him get 24/7 on the phone. Where is that dude anyways??
I know this is about Avo, but RX so intelligent and beautiful that Im saving myself for her😭
Respect to Avo for facing this and not running from it.
#RX is bae !!!!
Fall back & relax my guy.
Twizz The Whiz Kid thanks for correcting him for coming at my woman G
Respect and a G check
RX makes a lot of sense regarding referring to people from the “map.” I think we all agree on that perspective.
....that feeling you get when you look at her, hear her voice, and be like " damn, an hour and 58 mins isn't even enough".... why RX do this everytime..
.im trying to pay attention too, smh 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😭😭😭😭😭😍😍😍😍
The world's racist, it's what you do with your individual racism that makes a difference
At the end of the day, if avo is really sincere and isn't that person anymore, he's going to have to prove it. You can say I'm sorry but now we definitely have to watch your actions. I don't think he'll ever have the overall appreciation and respect he had prior to this.
ThePrintsOfDarkness that's cool
Salute to Geechi for pointing out the double standard in the beginning
This nigga avo deleted all my comments smh lmaooo
I hope this is genuine. Cause this meeting is to raise awarness to Racism. I believe in change so just work on that. You erase what you did. So just move forward
His had enough bruh, this dood is a ally! Im upset it happened but welling to move forward. I look up to him even as a grown man I love u avo and please do better man
Why they didn't address 6yrs ago meanwhile dizaster calling people the n word in battle
That's a little different. Diz is Arab and his ppl have arguably gone thru more oppression in the last couple generations than any other race. Its complex bc some of that oppression comes from other groups... also he definitely says it with an A not an ER, so he isn't trying to use it in a derogatory sense.
Does he get a N**** Pass bc he's Arab and he raps? Not for my white ass to decide, but I'd be a lot more offended if Charron said it than Diz lol
@@NoName-cz3wn still don't give him the right look at money bagg who saying forever cause they allowed don't make it right but it's BATTLERAP so
@@HurricanePride05 na I feel you bro, like I said it ain't for me to judge, but as a whitey I am curious why Hispanics always get a pass but an Arab wouldn't. I got a friend who's half white half Rican and he says it around our black friends and black strangers all the time bc he has dark skin. He grew up rich AF, I spent more time growing up struggling than he did.
Surf made a good point..no need to sensitize everything it’s different when you saying it to someone it’s racist when you say it behind their back
I wish brothas had the same energy with each other but unfortunately bc most brothas look at white men as fathers or saviors it’s just different for them. Em made songs about black women and nobody cared. Try saying anything bad Em and watch how mad and emotional brothas get like he’s jesus but Nas, Pac, Hov, Biggie, and so on can get criticized and nobody cares all the time and it’s normal. Avo will be ok. His privilege matter
Em made one song...
Facts. Listen bro. All of us won't make it through this war we're in but, hopefully the next generation can will learn from "our" mistakes. Don't really want to include myself in that but, I'm apart of the whole. White people have waged war on us since we encountered them and it's just more covert now. Stay strong salute to you bro
Big Homie Nate see what I’m saying 🤷🏾♂️ To the rescue without checking the facts. Was more than one song big homie but it don’t matter
@@ohnocoop how nas pac biggie and hov get critisized tho?
@@ohnocoop oh, well point me in the right direction...
Lets move forward lets grow together let’s forgive and give a second chance. I see avo worth and change working for black company’s. Was it wrong yes did he apologize yes that was him then he’s a new different man now🙏🏽 let’s not forget past but to let go to move forward as people of all races and help each grow change and understand
I hear you and I would tend to agree but, as black people, we have done our share. At this point it's about survival, as it has always been for whites. We need to worry about our children and the future generations. We can't afford to waste time trying to change other groups mind as a collective or individually. We don't have that luxury. That kumbaya shit is over.
rose af hope some day u can🙏🏽
Robert Moore I hope someday you’ll be able too🙏🏽
If you don't stand for something, You'll fall for anything. Excuses excuses miss me with damage control. I wouldn't do anymore business with him, but what do I know???
Gotti is very intelligent.
I wonder if 24/7 has been approached about this.
I had to stop watching after the Colorado rapper called in. He sounds like one of those people who doesn't believe ex-cons should be employed. Anyway, there's too much focus on whether or not Avocado is or isn't racist, or whether or not he's "changed". The teachable moment that's been overlooked is why the joke by 24/7 is a racist joke to begin with. I don't think we should take for granted that everyone understands that the joke is racist. That joke exists because some people believe that black fathers are "bad fathers". I would love to hear from battle rap fathers Danny Myers, Aye Verb, and Math Hoffa. I would love to hear from Hitman Holla and Calicoe about how Big Gerald and Blackface support their careers.
thats an excellent point!
Honestly
The joke was about a lot of black fathers not being around for their kids. It a major problem in the black community. That directly relates to 4 of the 5 people you listed. Verb, Math and Danny all have kids that they did not live with/raise on a daily basis. Calicoe's dad was locked up for years.
The "joke" pertained to 4 out of 5 people that you listed as good examples of fathers. The lack of dad's living with their kids is a major problem. The joke was in poor taste but it's based in statistical truth. That's why everyone got the joke. Society should be outraged at dads not living with their kids WAY more than a joke about it. The best thing for the black kids and their communities would be to have a strong familial base
@@Mrjohndoe280 Yes everyone understood it was a joke, and hardly anyone found it funny. Many found it more than not-funny, they found it offensive. Let's assume that what you say is true, that absentee fathers are a problem in the black community. The joke by 24/7 then, however fleeting, only adds insult to injury. The joke doesn't "pertain" to anyone - it's a negative stereotype that undermines black people's struggle to gain respect, especially those black men who are actually good parents. My point to have a discussion with the battle rap fathers isn't to prove anyone wrong about anything, nor to parade them around and say "see look...", no it's to have a discussion about black fatherhood, its challenges, and why the topic of black fatherhood is not a laughing matter. I don't know if these battle rappers are good fathers or not, and neither do you, but we should show them respect and listen to what they have to say.
@@acpjr I don't think that's a bad idea. And I don't disagree at all about the joke.
My point is more that I think we are really close to the real heart of the matter, which is absentee fathers. With that we can discuss the challenges of black fatherhood.
The sterotype exists for a really sad reason. I would like to focus more on that reason particularly, then deal with the asshole jokes. Longterm, once that reason goes away the stereotype will too.
I am all for hearing what they all have to say and I think we both agree that it would be great to hear a lot more about fatherhood, specifically in the black community
"I like big drama show"
This is #1 bullshit
Rx is brilliant.
13 mins in and avocado dont look like he give af about what they talking about and rx is extremely smart af and she became even more sexier to me
Avocado and everybody who promoted white supremacy stereotypes should, (if they are remorseful) take time and create content that 1. exposes what was done systematically to black people and how those things lead to the conditions we are in now. 2. show and promote positive black men and masculinity (because we gotta counter the feminization of black men). 3 dont let anybody else talk that shit around you.(if it was your grandma or your child you wouldnt let a mf talk crazy about them so have that same regard for black people)
RX I didn't know u before but I fucks wit u. U gained a fan.
108:40... Geechi made the best point of the entire video... Avo already in... And has proven he should be.
I said it once I’ll say it again avocado is a whole Nother person and he deserves a whole another chance if he does this in the future then he deserves to be called out for his actions you can’t judge a person or six years ago but you can watch them closely though. The only thing that worries me though is if you piss a person off who is built this way or the world changes to become races again like it has before like when he’s a grandfather in the world says Black people are bad again in 30 years which side will he be because you know history is forcefully repeated for control.
Who cares if Avo had racist opinions/
They are forgiven/
Because in his day they were different/
Did RX get thicker ?