Before Nine Inch Nails: How Industrial Became Pop
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2024
- What is Industrial? In its original form it was an aggressively mechanistic and uncompromising sound formed of tape-loops, samples, often self-made synths and electronics. Bands like Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire, Nurse With Wound and Einstürzende Neubauten produced avant garde noise that thumbed its nose at pop music as a production line and made sounds from the literal tools of production.
But how did it get from its pipe-bashing, static-cloaked anti-music guise to the music soundtracking in the club scenes in The Matrix? What were the essential steps along the way? And how did Nine Inch Nails force Industrial into the charts? This is How Industrial Became Pop.
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Fact-checking and Additional Writing by Serenity Autumn and Chad Van Wagner.
00:00 Introduction
00:44 Musique Concrete, Tape Loops & Noise
04:09 1977- Punks, David Lynch & Metall Auf Metall
06:48 Daniel Miller, The Normal & Mute
08:08 Throbbing Gristle & The Birth of Industrial
11:20 Nurse With Wound & Whitehouse
13:36 Cabaret Voltaire & Clock DVA
16:48 Post-Punk Fusing With Industrial
19:05 DAF
20:58 Einstürzende Neubauten
23:54 Some Bizarre Records
28:16 Depeche Mode & Industrial in the Charts
30:39 Skinny Puppy & Electro-Industrial
33:11 Industrial Goings-On Elsewhere
37:30 Nitzer Ebb & Electronic Body Music
38:58 The Beginnings of Industrial Hip-Hop
42:20 Ministry & Wax Trax! Records
46:31 Nine Inch Nails & Industrial Becoming Pop
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Doesnt industrial music go back to Busoni's "bruitisme"?
considering "post-punk" can mean depeche mode, siouxie and the banshees, adam ant, and killing joke, i think we can agree genre names are meaningless.
As you say, "inevitably missed". In spite of you covering even more industrial that I even knew. But... Gary Numan? At least a mention? It's not only Trent Reznor who considers him an important influence for Industrial and maybe even EBM.
But hei, you covered SO MUCH ground, consider this a minor nitpick. Thanks for this and all other videos. Well researched. Your office must be filled with red lines going from one band to the other to the next, to the next, to the next...
They were industrial at one point in time
As the comment above, and I feel like I’m nitpicking here too. I’d suggest Sisters Of Mercy and Bauhaus may fit on this timeline somewhere, albeit perhaps requiring a bit of a detour into that whole adjacent goth thing.
Fun Fact: Einsturzende Neubauten became so infamous for using power tools as instruments that Blixa Bargeld did a series of ads power tools for Home Depot in Germany.
I love that Europe has such a great sense of humor. John Lydon sold butter, Peter Murphy sold speakers, Blixa sold power tools.
Haha, that's great. Thanks for telling us!
I had to check on UA-cam, and yes, some of these "Hornbach" ads are there!
I didn’t know that, that’s excellent, honestly I’d probably buy the power tools endorsed by Blixa.
Fun fact, Blixa was a model who did an ad for Jordache jeans also.
UA-cam challenge: make an industrial documentary and don't get demonetized, let's see if this pulls through
Impossible. Throbbing Gristle name alone is demonetization worthy
Then there’s showing Big Black album covers 😁
Fucking Throbbing Gristle
@@DerekPowerAnd with an ad for a play- along with Metallica to boot.
and that particular line from nin's "wish" that he chose to play lol
As someone who's been a fan of industrial, noise and synth-based music for over a quarter of a century this was a genuinely well-informed and surprisingly-comprehensive journey - bravo! I was chuffed to see a brief discussion of Severed Heads, a pioneering act who don't get nearly enough credit.
exactly
Severed Heads had been at it forever. Legends.
Came here to say the exact same thing - I clicked the link ready to tear into what I was sure to be some lame skim job, but this is dense, well organized, documentary-grade work. Also impressed!
Yes Severed Heads and Single Gun Theory, in general the bands on the Netwerk label deserve A LOT more credit. The only other big one that was a sound that was constantly changing and truly all their own and vastly underrated, Consolidated particularly Friendly Fascism (so powerfully relevant today.)
Been listening to Industrial music since 1989. 34 years now.
Industrial isn’t my favorite genre to listen to, but it fascinates me like no other. It’s ranged from being slightly alternative pop music to some of the most challenging and disturbing art ever laid to tape. As you mentioned, it’s also aggressively non-commercial, and with that comes a mystique around the genre’s pioneers. Undoubtedly one of the biggest influences on modern alternative music
The only 'moment' I think you missed is Gary Numan. He's worth a mention for his early stuff like cars as well as his recent stuff like My Name Is Ruin
I also kept thinking of 70's 'Emerson, Lake & Palmer' with Keith Emerson systematically abusing his Hammond organ, stabbing it on the outside and on the inside with a knife, trashing it about to create destructive unexpected distortions during live shows to the rhythm of pumping electronic pulse.
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His newer stuff is good asf, not alot of artists with a long musical career can still do so.
@@corinnae.7877 he's been brilliant again for a while now. Since the late 90s. My name is ruin is just a recent peak
@@mallencolly that song in particular is so fire, like damn.
Personally, I wouldn’t call Cars industrial, although I can see it having an influence on later industrial music in the same way The Velvet Underground influenced punk but they aren’t a punk band. Definitely his later stuff had aesthetics that came from industrial though.
No one could touch SKINNY PUPPY in the 1980's, early 1990's. So ahead of their time. They set the pace.
Skinny Puppy, imo, is the peek of the genre.
@@Dovah_Jay AGREED. Hard to touch them.
@@Dovah_Jay Still one of my favourite bands of all time, full stop. Definitely my fave in that era OP highlighted, though Godflesh and FLA aren't too far behind. I've never heard anything like Skinny Puppy since, either. So distinctive.
yawn
BRAPPP!!!
51:39 - The Screamers and Chrome, I think, played an important influence on industrial music.
True! Also Nervous Gender.
This Heat too
Old Gen X'er here. It blows me away to see what is essentially my record collection on here. This stuff (in the US) was so underground in the 70s/80s I always felt like it would just fade away into obscurity with time. Even huge names like Depeche Mode were virtually unknown in the early 80s here. I'm glad to see young folks and the uninitiated getting exposed to some of the best music out there. Hopefully it won't fade into oblivion afterall. I have playlists on my channel if anyone is looking for more.
The greatest influence to the 70's/80's staying relevant is how absolute trash music has been largely been in the 2000's.
100% agree! 😉
i agree
GenX rivet head here too! Isn't it a joy to hear all these tracks in one place.
also i just want to come back and say the only problem i have with this video is that he did not give that much detail when talking about industrial subgenres for example he could had talked about merzbow a very well know artist in the noise world or he could had talked about the power electronics artist prurient and how the album frozen niagara falls bridge the gap between extreme subgenres of industrial and mainstream music
Gary Numan? Trent Reznor stated that he was vitally important to what NiN would go on to become.
HERE IN MY CAR I FEEL SAFE IN MY CAR
He was in the New Wave video.
Not only was Gary Numan important to Nine Inch Nails, he was also important to Detroit Techno and Electro (Juan Atkins cites him as an influence for his early work as Cybotron and Model 500)
Gary Numan deserves a whole video, dude is influential across the board
The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste is truly an underrated album. I know that term is overused but with this one it fits.
Such an amazing album, over the past 30 years I've probably listened to The Mind start to finish more than any other album in existence. I'd say as far as industrial goes it has some good recognition, I remember seeing it in a top 100 albums of all time article in Rolling Stone and it even hit Billboard top 200. But yeah, such an incredible album.
Ministry’s Incase you didn’t feel like showing up & all of Thrill Kill’s music are still what I listen to today
I was at those ministry shows in Merrillville and Chicago, it was FREEZING out but we still made the drive! Brutal. Shows!!
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mv My ankle got busted at a Ministry show
@@Jenny_Oblivion wear it with pride!
@@BrianNatonski-wt3mv 😁
@@Jenny_Oblivion I'll tell you something else, in the video for "in case you didn't feel like showing up" during "Land of Rape and Honey" you'll see Al, Ogre, and Jello onstage killing it on vocals, but if you notice every once in awhile you'll see a guy on the side of the stage kneeling or laying down and snapping photos with a Ricoh 35mm single lens reflex camera. That guy is me😊 I brought em all mushrooms and they gave me a stage pass. Still got it.
Just saw Skinny Puppy play their last show ever in Seattle a couple of weeks ago.. it was fantastic!
Shit they quit again? Damn.
I never got to see them play :(
Shit, I was always too scared to see them. I was afraid it would be like GWAR but with real human body fluids. Those guys still haunt my imagination, and probably always will, I guess.
It won't be their last show. Both Kevin's have stated that they have some shows in the work for California. But, it is supposed to be their final tour.
Have you ever noticed skinny penis is still skinny penis. They never got rich or super famous. I dunno maybe they did. But they never got nin famous bc they had no fucking melody! Trent gave it a melody. Dec 91, nobody know or cares about NIN, after downward spiral, a bunch of blonde bitches doing cocaine to MY UNDERGROUND BAND FTW. 30 years on all you normies know and love nin. He lost his mojo after spiral, maybe those demons in that house helped him. Take their money but never to cater to pop culture.
Great work as always. My only critique would be you failed to mention how a lot of these bands not only influenced each other, but often worked together in the studio to create new one-off bands and side-projects, something that was very uncommon in other genres at the time but has since become commonplace in pop music.
Cleopatra Records + Wax Trax - They deliberately pushed the artists to spin off side projects. Good times.
@@discordia013 Got plenty of releases on those labels. Invisible Records is another.
Pigface, the industrial supergroup. I think Martin Atkins is the only constant in the ever changing line up.
@@myflatlineconstruct Pigface was the party everyone was invited to.
Pigface comes immediately to mind. More should be said about not only them, but about their album FOOK. Cleopatra Records making great like industrial cover albums like Saucerful of Pink (Pink Floyd tribute) and The Blackest Album (Metallica tribute) were just brilliant collabs and likely will never be seen again.
The more I think about this video the more I realize that there is value in art that is hard to sit through, its how I feel about a lot of great films so I expect music to be the same.
Great documentary, music from my youth, still like it to this day..
For me, the relationship between rap and industrial has always been one of the most exciting in music with the most untapped potential, and I appreciated you drawing the line from the foundational industrial artists to Clippng, Death Grips and Backxwash.
hell yes. ive always felt like there was some commonality there between the two genres. what with the sampling and the DJs and Kraftwerk. The only old school hip-hop based industrial bands i can think of are Meat Beat Manifesto, Techno Animal, and i guess thats it.
massive attack and portishead
Beers, Steers and Queers by The Revolting Cocks is a rappish industrial classic. Paris had a song in that mashup, too, with The Devil Made Me Do It or Break the Grip of Shame.
The Imitators of how we grew up are Creepy As Fuck
The artist Banshee comes to mind as she uses aggtotech fused with trap in her beats, with fry screaming and some melodic vocals.
Great, informative video. One thing you didn’t mention was how an English teacher in my high school in the mid-80s led a double life as an industrial music impresario touring the world during summer breaks. We knew him as Mr. Lemos, but to those in the know he was Controlled Bleeding.
That’s fucking awesome
I've seen Paul post on the Mod Wiggler synth forum. Same with Chris Carter. They are both really cool.
Thank you for including Skinny Puppy because they seem to always be forgotten and are by far the best industrial band in my opinion!! Would love to see a full documentary about them because they certainly deserve one!!
SP are indeed legendary, and of course, still around today (I believe)! They're forgotten in the mainstream, but not amongst industrial fans; in fact, they're one of the most popular industrial bands. And by industrial here, I mean real industrial, heh. A lot of acts named here were mostly "industrial rock" and "industrial metal," which I don't really consider to be part of it. They're more rock genres.
That's not to dump on this video, it was good, but I don't consider "industrial rock/metal" acts to be an "evolution" of industrial. But I guess they need to be mentioned. He did talk about a good amount of the OGs and electro-industrial artists, and the like, but I kinda wish they got more attention. But I get it.
skinny puppy sucks. All their music sounds exactly the same.
History of Skinny puppy in spanish: m.ua-cam.com/video/kJn4RPVLOTA/v-deo.html
Has Reznor ever given Puppy credit for his sound/look?
Who forgets Skinny Puppy? No One
Einstürzende Neubauten is the only band that plays industrial metal literally, not figuratively - as in, noone else actually can play beautiful solos on a jet engine turbine
there was Manufacture
yes, that was manufacture, but EN is still bewildering creating some some of the heaviest stuff ever and then do ballads like Stella Maris
Air Conditioner ducts slide against each other on rails.
They were one of a few! Z'EV is also a band of note. SPK was working in a similar vein by the release of Leichenschrei - and in 1981, Die Krupps released Stahlwerksynfonie.
Vivenza were also working in this vein in the 80s
Although Test Dept are definitely my fav from that era. Listen to their live recordings from Berlin Atonal, or early recordings like Compulsion or Hunger. Crazily intense!
Some of us are still making music in similar ways.
Actually, Depeche Mode made Industrial pop with "Construction time again" and "Some great reward"
Take just "People are people", you have the perfect Industrial-pop song
The funny thing is that Gareth Jones, the sound engineer, was working with Einstürzende Neubauten, and later Depeche Mode, and you can hear the similarities using metal and industrial sounds, but for a pop-synth purpose
I asked Gen about Hamburger Lady in July 2019 and s/he said it was an antique silver fox hunting whistle, not a duck call. This is such a great doc. Thank you for putting this together and sharing!
now THAT sounds more like it!
I’m so happy you mentioned Foetus, I think JG Thirlwell is absolutely brilliant and deserves so much more notice and attention than he’s gotten.
All these decades later, I've still got foetus on my breath...
Heck yeah man I'm a big fan of Jim's projects, side projects, and everything. He's a hell of a conductor/composer too. Check out the string quartet remixes he did for Zola Jesus a few years ago.
I had the good fortune to see Foetus in Los Angeles at the Roxy in 85 or 86. Thanks for the tinnitus all these years later Jim!
Everything he has touched has been good. Even the christian industrial band "Argyle Park". It might be why they were good.
Amen. amen. amen!
As a German I find your attempts at pronouncing "Einstürzende Neubauten" both hilarious and commendable.
Einstürzende Neubauten... every single time!
First time I heard him pronounce it I couldn't match the word with the images of blixa I saw.. took me 3 seconds to realise het meant EB
"eye'n-shtuhr-tsen-duh noi-bou-ten" would be a good indicator how to pronounce it as an english-speaker
I think Ministry and Skinny Puppy will forever be my favorite industrial bands. Both the albums Land of Rape and Honey and Vivisect both touched me and horrified me the first time I listened to them, something no other album has really ever done before. The aggression and brooding darkness of the albums immediately got me hooked on industrial
Mine too!!
ViviSectVI was the first Skinny Puppy album I had, given to me by my brother in 1990/91. He also gave me a copy of 242's "Front by Front" and New Order's "Technique". Prior to that I was listening to the radio mostly hair bands like Motley Crew (don't laugh!). He changed my life for the better.
First 3 CD's I purchased on my own I can still remember (Tower Records in San Diego): Bauhaus "Swing the Heartache"; The Hunger "Leave me Alone"; The Cure "Mixed Up"
Went to my very first concert around that same time - Peter Murphy with Book of Love. I was too young (16) so my dad had to come along. It was in this amazing cathedral like auditorium in San Diego)
Now I'm old and listen to James Taylor and Yanni.
Get off my lawn
Bubblegum industrial ,are you American?😂
@@Stephen-lx9nm lame......
@@Stephen-lx9nmChrome was easily the best North American industrial/noise rock band. They’re so underrated and don’t get discussed enough.
I feel like Fad Gadget deserves more than 2 seconds of recognition
Can we get a video on Noise Rock?
Bands like Unwound, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers, Scratch Acid, Jesus Lizard, Swans, Big Black, Killdozer, Unsane, Mission of Burma, Bitch Magnet, Flipper, Dinosaur Jr, Rein Sanction, Cherubs, & Volcano Suns, ect.
Maybe even coming to the present with bands like Lightening Bolt, Chat Pile, and Health
I think Cop Shoot Cop would fit in here too.
@@apopheny forsure!
Also add Steel Pole Bath Tub, Laughing Hyena, & Distorted Pony.
You forgot THE best Indie/Alternative album of the Eighties the brilliant Psychocandy by . . .
the Jesus and Mary Chain !
@@FrostedSeagull meh, Jesus & Mary Chain are noise pop, and theyre already covered in the Shoegaze video.
@@apopheny Sweet Jebus i am so tickled that someone other than an old man such as myself remembers Cop Shoot Cop.
Always loved NIN but discovering Cabaret Voltaire was quite eye opening, The Crackdown and Microphonies are my favorite albums
The older I get, the more I listen to both those albums.
The Covenant, The Sword and the Arm of the Lord would be mine. Would probably make it into my top 3 favourite industrial albums.
If you can find it, "The Conversation" double LP is an interesting direction by Cabaret Voltaire. It stands on its own legs. Different than everything else they made, but that could be said about nearly everything they made compared to themselves.
On your advice I dove into Cabaret Voltaire (missed them somehow). Fantastic! Definitely the more synth edge that Trent modified with his own angst and energy. There's really something to Cabaret Voltaire that informs one of my fav's - Machines of Loving Grace.
I really appreciate the depth Trash Theory promotes in these mini-doc's.
@@chrisl2681 life slips by is my favorite.
CURRENT 93 and BOYD RICE/NON were right there along side TG
As for Killing Joke, I'd say not only "Wardance" but especially "Unspeakable" from their follow up 1981 album _What's THIS For...!_ really got things started for 80s industrial rock - definitely the blueprint for what Ministry would be doing after Jourgensen ditched the Depeche Mode affectations
Thank you, I was like where's Killing Joke???
Also, "Chrome - Alien Soundtracks" 1977
The only things I think are missing are:
The early years of Front 242, and then achieving some level of mainstream success (including the Lollapalooza tour).
The relationship between Front Line Assembly and Skinny Puppy (and then Front Line Assembly’s side projects).
Die Krupps changing as industrial adopted more guitars / metal sounds.
The end of WaxTrax and the rise of Metropolis Records.
The continued exploration of synth based industrial, and the rise of Futurepop.
I saw 242 at the Lollapolooza ('93 I believe it was)!! Layne Staley from Alice in Chains came onstage and sang Religion with them, no joke!
This. Front 242 was super important.
Ministry did add synths to their music after having seen FRONT 242 perform live during their first US tour.
Although this doc hits almost all of the important points, this is a fair point. Would've been easy to tie in too since De Meyer has admitted the influence of Ian Curtis as an influence in his aesthetic and dancing. Also, interesting to cover Beatnigs, Meat Beat and Death Grips but completely omit Consolidated.
@@terminalmode Oh yeah Consolidated. The very "in your face" political group blending industrial, rock, and hip-hop. From them spun the Yeastie Girls who had a minor club hit when collaborating with Consolidated.
Meat Beat Manifesto would have been a good inclusion as well as Bigod20 (and the entire Zoth Ommog catalog). Pop Will Eat Itself is another one to touch on.
Voted for Ministry, but will take NiN 😊😊 thank you for the most excellent and well researched docs.
Ministry still touring
Ministry need more love tbh
I saw Laibach play in a tiny club, The Berkeley Square in Berkeley, Ca in 1988, during their Opus Dei tour and it was nothing short of epic. Punks, new wavers, goths, skin heads, skaters/surfers, and everyone else you can think of was there. The music was loud and wild, the stage show was unreal. Such a fantastic show.
We had One Step Beyond in Santa Clara for these kind of shows.
Laibach are a group of beautiful people. I love them so much.
I feel very lucky to have seen Front 242 last year on their farewell tour. They still bring all of their energy after all these years.
Hell yes fourth time I'd seen them.
My only critique to this documentary as it is well researched and follows systematically the evolution of the genre, somewhat displaces the significance of Skinny puppy. Their album VIVI sect was a groundbreaking album and probably captures all of aspects of industrial up till then while still being somewhat accesible. Not to mention their album Too Dark Park is probably electro industrial at it's' finest adding immence layers of noise never seen before, frankly working all too well. All of the popular acts in the 90s built on what Skinny puppy achieved in terms of style. Not to mention they were major influence for the harsh EBM/aggrotech that followed in the late 90s early 00s.
Skinny Puppy were definitely the biggest and best Industrial band IMO. Too Dark Park and Last Rights are essential albums.
We need a Skinny Pupoy video!!!
@@Mortizul I had a hard time with Last Rights. It's Puppy, no doubt, but my least favorite album. Now Too Dark Park is timeless. And I will always remain a fan of Bites no matter what anyone says!
I was 30 when Nine Inch Nails did Head like a Hole in 1989. Nine Inch Nails and Ministry were my favorite Industrial bands of the 1990s.
I was 10 in 1989 and I found Pretty Hate Machine at my sisters house and started listening to it. I discovered Ministry when they came out with Jesus Built My Hot Rod. I still love both of those bands early albums.
@@dropitbuster Same, I was 10 too. Really changed my musical taste. Then I discovered Leftfied, Underworld and Orbital a few years later. All this defined what music I love.
@@SkyNetGeneral- In addition to other influence these band still are a influence.
@@SkyNetGeneral-NIN and Manson never claimed to be pure industrial, they took industrial elements (as well as punk and metal) and used them to create their own sound.
@@SkyNetGeneral- I like SP too but prefer NIN, as well as Manson and Rammstein. I find pure industrial to be a bit harsh and difficult to get into, though I have a lot of respect for the genre.
We need "Before Swans: How Post-Rock became became Post-Rock". It'd probably mention space rock like pink floyd, gothic rock like bela lugosi's dead, and krautrock like neu!, all examples of earlier rock music movements that focus much more on creating atmosphere through repetition and sonic experimentation than catchy songwriting or riffage.
This gives a fairly good overview of how 70s ‘avant-garde’ performances influenced the 80s Electronic Body Music, and how hip hop and industrial ALMOST transcended barriers.
EBM arguably gave birth to the whole Trance genre as we know it. And it’s influence on EDM acts such as Deadmau5, Skrillex, Pendulum and Noisia should not be overlooked.
Absolutely, and that’s one of the reasons I love Deadmau5 and honestly, techno, IDM (my absolutely favorite genre - like Boards of Canada, Aphex Twin, Autechre) and dark techno.
Industrial has inspired so much. Hard core techno can be thrown into that genre with industrial roots.
@ghost mall Look into pretty much anything Adrian Sherwood has ever touched - Tack>>Head, as mentioned in the video, crossed over to hip hop, but Sherwood's production delves way into dub influences, for example. Sherwood also produced some early NIN, KMFDM, and Cabaret Voltaire, as well.
My son once asked my if I had ever heard of EDM and got the lecture of his life. 😂😂
@@antipatsy lmao. Hey, at least you know that he's got good taste if he's interested in it.
I feel Pigface maybe could have got a mention at the end. Just the concept of an industrial-metal supergroup feels era defining.
FUCK IT UP, PIGFACE! FUCK IT UP, PIGFACE! FUCK IT UP! :D
Way unrated just jammed gub and fook the other day.
KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and NIN we’re the goats along with everyone involved with them.
Glad to see Godflesh at the end. Was hoping to see a shoutout to Scorn and perhaps Merzbow. Great video as always!
Great you mentioned them but here's another reminder to do a whole episode on Killing Joke some day
YES!!! 🙌
Thank you for mentioning Fad Gadget. Few know of him so it’s refreshing to hear someone giving him props. Depeche Mode said they felt they had truly made it when they were the opening act for him. They took off a few years later but they always stayed good friends with him. They got him to tour with them at some point but sadly he died mid tour I think. There’s a great documentary about him that is really worth a watch
Sad
I saw him as the last of three pre-acts during Depeche Mode's Devotional tour, 1993 in Garbsen/Germany.
While all the other acts where booed off stage mercylessly, he gave a real show, climbing up the rafts, and the people knew who he was and his applause was appreciative and well deserved!
RIGHT? Fad Gadget was amazing and I can absolutely tell a lot of earlier Industrial artists took inspiration from some of Frank Tovey's work.
Frank Tovey has post-FG work that is excellent as well. DM love to encourage people to listen to FG, it’s nice. He died too young.
Thanks to Daniel Miller and Mute records.
Hip Hop head here. Really glad you touched up on industrial Hip Hop. There was way more crossover here than most people realize.
This entire video is filled with songs used in Hip Hop samples. During that heavy electronic era with bands like Mantronix.
Great video. Loved how you just gave the story without bitching about the Pop takeover the whole time. This is the path to howbwe got here without too much opinion.
Thanks for putting Meat Beat Manifesto in this. As a huge fan since 1990, it means a lot to see them get mentioned.
Jack Dangers definitely among the greats. Funny to put White Zombie as the track for The Matrix instead of MBM. MBM far more iconic and memorable than super gimmicky White Zombie.
Missed:
1. Boyd Rice/NON
2. The Young Gods are Swiss.
3. Goth/Industrial cross-over (Skinny Puppy was key, Alien Sex Fiend, Sisters of Mercy).
4. Industrial gave birth "Neo-Folk".
5. The 90's (it would be more two hour video)
When I saw Foetus in the intro I got excited. I'm glad Thirlwell's work for Venture Bros. got a mention. It's some of the best scoring of any work IMO, animated or otherwise
Very influential and JG remixed a load of others artists too.
I'm really glad to see Severed Heads get a mention! The one band I think should've been included was Front Line Assembly. Total Terror 1 and 2 are some of my favorite industrial music.
FLA for sure...
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Severd heads is my favorite way ahead of their time.been listening to them since 86 and fell in love.
@@gigapus5050 I don't think I've listened to anything quite like them. Tom Ellard is the man!
@@christmastubbs2613 yup they're on a whole different level.
Lest not anyone forget it was from the East Bay Oakland/Berkeley California, Monte Cazazza, who actually coined the term 'Industrial' in 1975 for this type of 'sound + performance' expression (don't call it ' _Art_' ) from which one Gen P-Orridge would find a fitting term for their own indie label Industrial Records
7even(1995) was an industrial wet dream. lots of other mid 90s movies with industrial themes and soundracks well before the matrix.
My brother 👊🏽 done me a solid
You really understated Coil’s influence on electronic music at large. They are the most important music act of the past 30 years.
A bold claim... and I'm saying this as someone who's obsessed with Coil.
I agree. In "Loves Secret Domain" I hear the seeds of every breakthough piece of electronica/dance in my lifetime, from Aphex Twin to Massive Attack
Coil were really interesting in that they weren’t really industrial in later days (HorseRotorVator) , but they were still continued to be grouped as part of the genre at the time. I really enjoyed Coil.
Shhh!
THE definitive industrial documentary. I have not seen one so thorough and accurate. Very appreciative of this. Been producing industrial since the 90s personally and am starting to go to the TG/Early SPK route from the classic Die Warzau/SP route I've been doing. Already shared this with a lot of people and will be sending more.
could have mentioned luigi russolo, sound peoetry like henri chopin, merzbow & the japanoise scene, the swiss voice crack and the D.I.Y noise and improv scene, the electronic experiments of john cage and xenakis, the inflluence of ambient like tangerine dream, also other german industrial acts deserved a mention - sprung aus den wolken or Die Tödliche Doris, the industrial death metal and the gore grind scene, also the influence of neo-folk like Death in June and Current 93, definitely should have mention NON and Boyd Rice, even the early gabber and breakcore of early 2000... but nevertheless, great video!
Industrial and EBM were my childhood. Then I turned to futurepop/EBM and dark wave: AndOne, Melotron, SturmCafe, Project Pichfork, DeVision, VnV Nation, Psyche, Minerve, Covenant, Information Society, Icon of Coil, Wolfsheim, Apoptygma Berzerk, Soviet to name a few and most popular ones
Love And One, Covenant and my band supported Pssyche once :)
I gotta check them out
All great bands for sure
Those are some incredible artists!
You have all my faves in there except Assemblage 23.
Delia Derbyshire is the creator of the original Doctor Who theme (not of its music notes but the sound of it)
Quite surprised he didn’t mention it tbf
Yet he mentioned Daleks during the Killing Joke segment!
He talked about the Doctor Who thene and her important part in it quite extensively in his Before Are ‘Friends’ Electric? piece.
@@DerekPower you’re right. He also mentioned it briefly in the last video too, guess I just wanted to hear it again lol
It was great to have Big Black mentioned, but the song which truly captures the bands Chicago answer to Industrial is their epic; KEROSENE. An incendiary song, if I ever heard one.
Set me on 🔥🔥
How come there is no mention of Chrome? They were just as much the pioneers as Suicide or Throbbing Gristle. Also, Silver Apples deserve a mention.
There really are so many. I would have made a long list of honorable mentions at the end.
Agreed on Chrome. Silver Apples were mentioned extensively in the synth pop video tho. These essays can only be so long, and it's better they don't make them too repetitive.
Chrome is phenomenal. Factrix too!
@@lonewizzard8456 What about Minimal Man then?
@@darrinstokke3839 Honorable mentions? Chrome was the first industrial rock band, not an honorable mention.
Very happy you mentioned Ballard when talking about Warm Leatherette. Ballard has inspired countless bands with his writing.
e.g. Atrocity Exhibition by Joy Division
Klaxons named their debut after Myths of the Near Future.
There is (at least) one band that should have been mentioned here, and that's Pere Ubu. Their blend of proto-punk, proto-post-punk and musique concrete was simply visionary.
You're absolutely right.
Pere Ubu, fuck yeah!
Red Krayola were similar, the singer in it actually joined Pere Ubu in the 80s
Perhaps Chrome as well as Pere Ubu. Those first couple of albums were superb examples of discordant noise married to great songs.
This was just amazing. I love all your videos, but you basically went through my tastes and life 1990 until 1998. I can't thank you enough for this.
Other than missing a deeper inclusion of Peter Murphy and adding a bridge to mention Sisters of Mercy... I think you nailed a fantastic dig into a fascinating genre of music history. Thanks for the time, research, planning, and editing.
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This past weekend I went to Sick New World festival in Las Vegas and there was some Industrial bands (or bands that dabble in Industrial) there, it was amazing. Ministry, Orgy, Skinny Puppy, The Birthday Massacre, Stabbing Westward, KMFDM (absolutely AMAZING live) and HEALTH. I'm glad you mention HEALTH at the end I had never heard of them until I saw them and they were great.
That lineup sounds awesome! Bet it was a great festival.
It sucks that HEALTH got cut short 😞. They did play some of their bangers and their new song tho.
@ghost mall Sisters of Mercy too. And unfortunately Killing Joke bowed out at the last minute...
@@klouzerkKJ always have issues getting visas. Glad I’ve seen them.
I've seen The Birthday Massacre and KMFDM live - TBM was amazing, Chibi's stage presence is out of this world - but KMFDM was mixed maybe twice too loud for the venue and the sound blended to mush. This is coming from someone who loves KMFDM dearly, I just wish they'd tuned to the space better.
Wow!! That was beautifully researched...thank you. Mentions of COIL and SWANS were appreciated. I grew up with all these bands mentioned. If i would think of adding one, it would be CONTROLLED BLEEDING. Congratulations.
Paul Lemos of Controlled Bleeding was an English teacher in my high school on Long Island, NY. He was very chill and soft spoken. I never had him for a class but I and my school’s one other punk would hang out in his classroom at off times and talk about records. I only got to know his music after I graduated. Cool dude!
Oh my, this is so well researched that I can only assume this is a genre the video creator deeply loves. Every time I was thinking "he should mention such and such band" he does it. Superb.
just wanted to thank you for this video specifically, i've seen it three times already and honestly it is fully responsible for getting me into nin. i've got to discover the great album that the downward spiral is because of this and i'll always be grateful for that. i thoroughly enjoy each new upload of yours, i love the way you structure and narrate information, especially how you give small samples of the tracks! your stuff is super great and longer videos exploring the origins of a genre like this almost always have an impact on my music taste, and direct me to new and unexplored stuff. great work
I'm 68 but have tried to keep up with music. There was a period when I explored industrial and see a lot of the bands whose music I sampled (Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, KFMDM, etc.). Today, I still like Tool and NIN, and really like Rammstein. It's fascinating to see the progression of the music. Because I loathed most disco, I find it funny that I was happy when industrial became something you could dance to.
The industrial I listened to in the early 90s on the local college radio station (north coast California) could not be danced to. It droned on and on and on, but drew my ears to it for hours. Back then industrial and grunge were tied for first my fav stuff.
i know they were all involved in similar circles but i really don't get how tool can be considered industrial... like for example people scream at you when you try to say depeche mode and the sisters had an impact on the industrial scene lmao. i do like some of their stuff but it's the same thing for tool with me
Amazing. Just one of those times, the Trash Theory got me on the hook..again. This channel is some PRECIOUS TREASURE.
Wow! Incredibly comprehensive! I'm so thrilled you went deep with some of my favorite bands, Nurse With Wound, Coil, and the like. Thank You. I will watch this again and again!
Listen here, this is your best video yet. I've been obsessively listening to and exploring music for just about three decades and this is my favourite UA-cam channel. I hope you realise how brilliant your stuff is.
Your research on the Velvets as an influence to industrial music is incomplete. It was John Cale who brought the avant-garde into the Velvets, such as the drone, minimalistic elements and noise. After receiving a Leonard Bernstein scholarship in 1963 to emigrate from London to the US in 1963, he worked with avant-garde luminaries Iannis Xenakis, John Cage and LaMonte Young's Theatre Of Eternal Music. These tracks were recorded before and beside Cale being part of the Velvets, but weren't released until the early millenium on The Table Of Elements label. A deluxe black wooden box set was published shortly after, either as vinyl or cd release, titled "John Cale - New York In The 1960's". Here's a playlist of those tracks, where he predates the likes of Throbbing Gristle, Cabaret Voltaire or Einstürzende Neubauten by almost a decade: ua-cam.com/play/PLNINWcxxj9hHMJx4_oFVWNLznPeMWKRVW.html
Cale taught Lou Reed the different techniques and structures of the drone, that Reed used on MMM.
After Cale's dismissal from the Velvets he went on to arrange and produce Nico's lp triology The Marble Index (1968), Desertshore (1970) and The End (1974), laying the musical foundations for postpunk and goth. Furthermore he produced those milestone debut albums by The Stooges, Patti Smith and The Modern Lovers. Is there anybody else, who can claim to have such an enormous musical influence on the sounds to come? Don't think so. Considering he was also the main force behind the Velvets groundbreaking sound, it beggars belief that he is still so overlooked and underrated. John Cale is one of the pivotal Godfathers of punk/alternative music, be it as musician, performer, producer or arranger. He is simply pure genius and one of a kind!
Couldn't be more right!
Ditto
that´s really interesting, the problem is many of these works are very unknow so is hard to say "they influence everything after that or some like that" and the same for works like Harry Partch or similars, but definitely Jhon Cale work, i think is more interesting that Lou itself and need more resonance in these topics.
Seeing NIN in Detroit for the Downward Spiral tour was unforgettable. We were way up on the grassy bowl, directly above the sound controller booth. The volume was well beyond anything I had experienced (which included Ministry being fined for breaking decibel limits at the same venue for Lollapalloza 2) and was not eclipsed until Slayer gave me hearing damage in a club later that year. At one point the massive speaker stacks began to crackle with overload and I watched the sound guys frantically twiddle knobs to bring it down - only to be defeated by Reznor and crew turning up their volumes onstage because they wanted the overload effect. We could feel the music hitting our bodies, and it felt amazing.
I was really bitter, at the time, that NIN got the cover of SPIN magazine, as the poster child of the new "Industrial Revolution". Having been a fan of all of the other industrial bands for years, it was a slap in the face. Now I am older and I get it. He made it slightly more accessible and probably fueled record sales for all of his inspirations.
Great coverage all around. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
What a rollercoaster trip through the years and albums. Great work compiling this!
Love seeing OHGR in the thumbnail. I first saw Skinny Puppy when I was fourteen. The Too Dark Park tour literally blew my mind. When it got put back together it was forever changed. I subsequently have seen every tour including the most recent final tour. They changed my life and it was so beautiful and bittersweet seeing them one last time. ❤
Thanks for including Foetus. They/he is almost always missed.
Grotus. A way underrated band that deserved way more shine
Fantastic job. About a third of the way through you started to describe my record collection, so, very interesting to hear about even earlier formative years. Long live Industrial!
Pure brilliance!!!
I can recall when most of those albums were new and in my collection.
Coil , Skinny Puppy , Meat Beat Manifesto and Front 242 are still played regularly at the house.
Thank you for your dedication and time invested in this film.
My ultimate favorite of yours.
You have excellent taste.
Same! I have a more or less complete collection of Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb and Laibach - with various albums from Front 242, Front Line Assembly, Ministry, Young Gods, etc. etc. from 1980s up to about 1995 - on LP, stored in my basement.
Then one stormy night some years ago - my basement flooded and the water destroyed 90% of the records - which were in pristine condition - but stored in paper boxes.
I did not have the heart to throw them away. They are still there in their mold covered jackets.
@@jarls5890 oh, no!!! My heart is in my mouth reading that! I am so sorry 😐
Meat Beat Mani-Pedi. Now there's a blast from the past. Haven't heard their name in a minute.
My aunt dated trents original drummer for years before they got big and actually have photo's of me and my cousins as babies with him
That’s some cool random shit! Awesome 🤘🏻💞
Which one? That's awesome! I know Martin Atkins was the tour drummer and in the video for Head Like a Hole.
@@KMFDM781 idk, I know he passed away some time back. She knew him before NIN got big
@@jkee9760 Jeff Ward? Met Jeff on Pretty Hate Machine tour in UK. Died in 1993.
@@collexions I'll ask my aunt. I havent spoken to her in a while but thats like one of the weird things I know about her
Thank you for putting this together and sharing! This covers most of the essential protagonists.
I think I would mention two of the most important figures in Industrial.
1. The man who coined the term - the recently died Monte Cazazza (Industrial Music For Industrial People) and of course
2. Boyd Rice who dropped the milestone in Industrial music in 1977 with his same titled debut album, followed by the Mode Of Infection 7Inch - the presumed first interactive vinyl.
Very interesting and I would also say very good doku but with some confusing presentation of content.
Actually you missed out some of the real Industrial artist but I think your intention was more about the evolution of industrial into other genres.
What about the pioneers? M.B. (Maurizio Bianchi), The New Blockaders, Ramleh, P16 D4, HNAS, Die Tödliche Doris, Smegma, Esplendor Geometrico, Muslimgauze, Konstruktivists, The Hunting Lodge, Nocturnal Emissions, Bourbonese Qualk, Die Form, John Duncan, John Bender, Vivenze, etc.
Not one japanese artist was mentioned! The nation that experienced pain like no other.
Hijokaidan, Keiji Haino, Merzbow, Gerogerigegege...
Other bands and artists to mention could be William S. Burroughs, Chrome, The Leather Nun, Minimal Man, Rema Rema, Alien Sex Fiend, Kluster, The Screamers, Red Crayola ...
This is a great documentary and I think that the focus is correct. However, it would be nice to also have a more specialized edition that includes what "Industrial" music is and what it is about (maybe deconstruction, challenge ...), it would be great if you could do a separate doku about that genre.
My personal oppinion: For me the starting of it all was dominated by artists that were more introverted focusing on creating something, music that wasn't offered at that time that expressed their mind their point of view while the later industrial influenced bands lets say after `83 were more extroverted personas putting their persona and ego in focus.
When NIN appeared on the scene I thought "Ok now its over". For me it was
NON, early Current 93, Portion Control, Hafler Trio, KK Null, Klinik, Ike Yard, DDAA and Asmus Tietchens
would also be worth mentioning,
...and maybe Stockhausen, Faust, The Residents as early influences
...Pan Sonic, Tear Garden, Download as some underground off-shoots
but there are some nice inclusions, too :) that usually go under the radar
THIS! Finally someone with some in depth knowledge
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How in the world do you even go about putting together this video? The research and structure is phenomenal. Amazing.
RIP Andrew Penhallow - Australian Electronic (including industrial) pioneer died 2 days before this video release. Legend.
Are you kidding me? I had the urge to listen to a show discussing industrial music, put "industrial music show" into the yt search, and Trash Theory had put this up just 2 hours prior!? Awesome. Thank you so much!
I love this channel! It’s so refreshing to see someone break down the origin of music genres and really dive deep into the subject. I always learn something new and it’s not just the same ol’ mindless dribble other people talk about.
So well thought out and researched - I think maybe a nod to Crash Worship and Lords of Acid might have been in order but they weren’t foundational to the essays point, so no dings there
Sisters of Mercy rocked the house.
One of the few acts, me as a slovene can be proud of (Laibach) and I am glad to got to know them and Mina Špiler ist just a diamond of a woman, musician and writer!
"Eins, zwei, drei, vier
Meine Freunde, tanz mit mir
Eins, zwei, drei, vier
Rundherum, das ist nicht schwer!"
Great, thorough, and well-constructed info on Industrial. You definitely got most of the key players spotlighted. I feel like Nocturnal Emissions and Legendary Pink Dots were big pioneers, as well. There's also so much more electronically oriented Industrial and EBMout there now vs just the Metal variations. But this covers most of the essentials IMO. Well done!
Thanks for the proper history. Industrial is music as hard as life. For me it has always been healthy therapy as I pedal my mtn bikes. ❤👍🏻
Skinny Puppy are currently on their final tour. If you're in or near a city their coming to and have the means check them out before you no longer can.
I cannot really asses how influential they have actually been, but Esplendor Geométrico may be worth a listen.
I think they would've been more influential if their distribution was better. I was working in a record store as all this was unfolding, and we got all the TG NWW, Neubauten, Test Dept, etc. that we could get out hands on. I don't think I had even heard of Esplendor Geometrico until they popped up in some of the Usenet binary groups in the late 90s.
hell yeah! this is the one i've been waiting for since the synth pop retrospective! this is awesome!
Brilliant! Thank you for this.. I lived through aomw of this and it was wild, loved every minute of it. You even got Clock DVA in there - Impressed!
This Is absolutely fabulous!! Very well researched and written! The use of Depeche Mode in this simply made it more relatable to those of us where they were our first taste of "aggressive electronic music" per se'. The Only thing I feel was missed is How Gary Numan and David Bowie, RIP, floated around this scene at times. Gary is more "industrial" now then ever, ironically. Great work! ❤
Not mentioning Gary Numan is a slight oversight in an otherwise very thorough history. Having just seen him in concert, I agree.
Yes Gary and David!!!! David’s outside and I’m afraid of Americans albums had very complete industrial sounds that really were a zenith of his sounds from so many decades and influences. I always wanted industrial djs to play “law” but no one could imagine playing Bowie for his other sounds that departed from the 70s/ 80s. I think late 90s and on were his best work.
But then, Bowie was what got me to stop laughing at NIN and see them with that tour. I think NIN really came into a more developed sound then. And I went to see them recently actually.
I also saw Numan a lot and used to be obsessed and seeing him at cruel world again brought that back.
Einstürzende Neubauten was just an amazing band
*are
They still exist and are still incredible... ;-)
They are still amazing, alles in allem is a great album
SPK is recommended if you like EN.
They still are, been to their concert a couple of years ago. A life-changing experience.
BTW, Fantastic episode! I love the work and detail you put into each one. Thanks and please keep them coming.
This is probably the best overall micro-doc on this subject. Bravo!
I'm so glad to see you tackle industrial! I was kinda hoping for a dedicated Skinny Puppy episode as there's so few documentary material out there about them. Too Dark Park changed my life. This was overall really awesome and thorough and it goes back to the argument i get in all the time when goth or industrial people try to tell me that the two genres are not related, but they very much are. Specimen and Neubauten played shows together and Genesis was friends with Ian Curtis.
SP definitely need to make a docu
Im surprised you didnt touch on industrials influence in pop music! Ie: Janet Jacksons Rhythm Nation album where Terry Jam & Lewis were influenced by the sound. An incredible moment in pop music! Nevertheless yet another incredibly thorough doc from ya on another one of my favorite genres! SO well done, love that you also touched on EBM👏🏾💕
Good point. As a rivetheaded industrial lover, I love Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation.
@@Problembeing Yess! Its a prime example of how industrial drilled its head into POP pop and in suchh a good way. Michael, inspired by her, then started planting elements in his sound too. It really opened a door in pop for a moment
@@JermaineJagger I agree very much. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Jellybean and all those guys were really doing some very interesting textures and rhythms that perked my ears up back in 1989. 'The Knowledge' was a particular favourite of mine.
@@Problembeing Yesss THAT track is one of my all time favorites. The countdown still gives me goosebumps to this day. The Rhythm Nation film is worth checking out too for its surprisingly dark industrial elements, its on youtube.
ps: just realized i wrote jimmy jam and terry lewis wrong in my initial comment ha
Wish I could upvote this.
Trans Europa Express was sampled for Planet Rock! The start of Hip Hop!!! Also Afro futurism had so much impact for electronic music