You actually gave a much more helpful review than many of the larger creators who gave full videos, they told me what people said, but nothing about actually flying it. Thanks a bunch!
@@Voyajer. I know but Botgrinder went from hating HDZero to shilling it. Also he tends to do flippy floppy stuff within the good video range. D3B8 pushes it further.
@@Voyajer. And people running any system with 2 patch antennas make it hard to gauge the performance. On camera it's "oh signal is so good" then off camera it's "man I dropped my head a millimeter and my entire screen went rainbow"
@@madladdan bot runs quad stub antennas at least some of the time, also he has the two longer range flights he's done recently, but those times he used helical antennas iirc.
After watching this video, I'm gonna stick with HDZero. I started out with analog, then went to DJI and latency was insane. HDZero fixes that. Even at 2:12 where you said you was blind, I wasn't blind at all and could fully see through that, and it was only for a couple seconds, and that was only because you hovered. I have one more LR DJI quad left in my arsenal and a couple analog, I'll be changing it to HDZero and take advantage of the new feature that came out last month and set the camera to 1080p/30, and use a GoPro for picture quality...
Yeah, try peering through that horizontal rainbow 🌈 screen of death ☠️ ! This pilot wasn't that far off from getting that when it gave full screen colored sparklies.
@sco0trot0r18 i must admit that the hdzero breakup is much more noticeable than analog. With analog there is more of a gradient scale where the colors slowly disappear, and then the static comes in. With HDzero it's ful "rainbow sparkles in your face!"
Also, the frames where HDZero is kinda covered in static are the same frames where DJI/Walksnail would be stuttering/dropping frames... DJI/Walksnail don't really have "better penetration" - they just hide the missing image data by showing you old data.
@@TheCivildecay That is one thing I wish HDZero would change - give an option to have it be black breakup instead of rainbow as it would be way less noticeable. Since the goggle firmware is open-source, I wonder if it might be possible to change it in there, or whether it's coming out of the two custom chips with the rainbow sparkles already there...
Same here. But because the systemes serving opposite ends of the extremes we need both systems. At least if you have small to big quads... HDzero for 1/2 of our quads (the small ones) and O3/WN/V for 1/2 of your quads (the big ones) ...
If you are comparing the DJI on a dry day (no wet trees etc) to the HDzero in a wet day, you should try the HDzero again on a dry day. Not sure about 5.8, but 2.4 GHz suffers a lot from moisture.
Best honest review I have watched. Own 2 sets of HD Zero goggles and have 5 quads running the Freestyle VTX. It has it's place. Walksnail I think is 2nd to DJI overall. Love flying that system also. Parking lots at night! Thanks!
Try 4x stubbies in one of your flights to compare the quality. It made a huge difference to my flights when switching from patch to all stubbies. Awesome rip!! 🔥
Great video! I recently put a 1watt freestyle hdzero unit into one of my quads to try it out. Yes the Los latency makes a difference in performance, but for me at a huge deficit in video quality and for me, enjoyment. So yeah I’m DJI-03 all the way. When I first flew hdzero I thought something was wrong with it. Nope, that’s the way it is.
I'm the same. O3 is so good, so clear, and the range I get, even through the forest of trees in my front yard, is exponentially greater. I lose HDZ feed about 100 feet out, I can keep going with my O3 units. They only limit I have on some of my O3 quads is Tracer and Crossfire, and I'll be replacing them with ELRS as I have no limit, YET, with ELRS. I've failsafed multiple times on Tracer and Crossfire. So get your act together Germans.
@@ogpennywise Weird. I've had the opposite performance from my O3 unit. For me, video goes orange behind a house, or through trees, and freezes completely behind any large building or structure. I think it could be due to my antenna mounting, as it's very stubby
I tried HdZero and the next day I sold my DJI goggles. I was really amazed by how smooth the video feed is and the low latency is immedially noticeable. The breakup in your video surprises me. This is how it looks for me on 25mW. There is a unlocking procedure for the 1W Mode
I agree I also get much less than that, I flew my first couple packs not knowing I was at 25mW and thought it was good for 1W hahaha 1W gives cancer and is better than my WS setup and my friend's DJI tbh.
I've got 1W unlocked on my 3 hdzero quads and the image is just as bad. I also have video of it. I'm not sure everyone's goggles are the same, now. After a few stories such as yours, but no video, and tons of videos with problems, I'm inclined to believe the videos over the anecdotal evidence in the form of words.
@@ogpennywise Well at first for some reason my 1W VTX would not go out of pit mode. I fiddled once with the LP and pit mode settings in the camera UI, then it worked and could never reproduce it afterward. try that maybe? Also I haven't tried that many combinations of antennas but I already see how sensitive it is to matching and your chosen gain(s)
@@HoRNET_FPV My settings are good. I have TrueRC ominis and patch. The supposed best you can get for hdz. Other antennas don't improve my reception. I am no tin pit mode, and I am not on anything other than 1W as I try and get better reception. I'm going to fly a bit at lunch and see if I get anything better, but I've been flying everyday this week and fiddling with it. It hasn't improved. At all. I tried out my Walksnail earlier too and it is still worse than HDZ, so analog and real digital (DJI) are the only things I will be using I guess. HDZ is not good. Walksnail is worse. Analog looks just as good as HDZ and has range. I like good image in my goggles, but not at the sake of distance. It's not very fun having to fly within 200 feet of you just so you can see and pilot the craft safely. And this is in a wide open field.
Some interesting points, Ive always flown analog never any digital based system so I can’t comment on what they are like to fly and been on the fence for so long considering which system to move too probably since hd zero first started to be tested when Ryan was posting all the testing leading up to the release an it was looking good, then Walksnail started to come on the scene and it was like arrr another spanner in the works. I would say I have a good analog picture and can manage it well, I think what I’m most concerned about switching to a digital system is the higher latency and not liking it, not so much with hd zero because it’s low latency any way that’s more if the breakup is going to better, worse or about the same as what I get on analog so will I be gaining much. I guess for me it’s opposite to you in the sense that your going from high image quality high latency to more breakup and lower latency, I like the analog feel probably because it’s all I know and gonna stick with, maybe HD zero would be the right choice for me. Love ya stuff always 🙏👊 be interesting to see how you settle into it
I fly DJI 03/Vista with Goggles 2 and HDZero with the HDZero goggles. I prefer to fly the HDZero for my intense Low Latency Freestyle daily ripping. You can get closer and fly with a higher level of risk due to the lower latency. I use the DJI for spots where I need the penetration and a super solid connection. I run ELRS F500 with both video systems. I also have the Walksnail VRX for the HDZero goggles and that nicely fits between both systems. I'm going to Europe next month and I'll be bringing the Goggles 2 and Quadmula Siren F3 with DJI 03 (Sub 250 build) with me. I'm taking the DJI Goggles 2 on my trip because of their compact nature for my overall FPV travel kit. Also, the HDZero goggles fit on the face way better than the Goggles 2 and the HDZero goggles work great when ripping 8-10 packs. The 90 camera is nice, but sometimes the Micro v2 camera is a little better with the 720p instead of 540p. Depends on the spot and the amount of ghost branches. I am happy to own both systems.
I started on analog for a few months, went to hdz for over a year then to dji. Not looking back. I sorta figured the latency would suck but its really not that bad and well worth the range and penetration
Your break up is suspicious, I absolutely don't get that much at 1W especially that close . Idk what antennas your are using, but in the situation you were you should use High gain omnis and or patches. TrueRC stubbies are low gain, good for the sides but high gain on top like lillipops
Well, I would say two directional antennas & two omnis (eg lollipops) is the best idea. Some people run four directional antennas (when doing "medium range") and unless they're a really experienced long-range pilot who's good at pointing antennas in the right direction (usually doesn't work for freestyle), it generally results in worse performance than if they just used all omnis. My first fpv goggle actually came with two low-ish gain patches, and I thought they probably give a wide enough angle that one or the other would always be pointing to the quad. Eventually I bought an omni and it instead of one of the patches and I got much better signal at the exact same flying spots as I was before.
DJI over fatshark because the image is better. I don't see many people supporting dji over gopro, gopro is the best image for the size, although durability... not so much
The Betaflight OSD on DJI is working now, and since BF v4.4 its in HD mode so you can put things anywhere and you could root the goggles and it works. its very easy really. just takes alittle time. the o3 air unit seems to have a lower latency then the original air unit, especially if you run it in Focus mode, and not record on the drone or even the DVR if not necessary.. it all seems to help the number go down slightly from the already pretty good latency for digital and that level of image quality in day light, but maybe with an pretty dark ND filter on it to keep the camera in focus after coming from direct sunlight to a dark area on the ground it would normally take the camera a second to up the iso and adjust the shutter to brighten it all back up...
Tested Hdzero also a few months last Summer for Freestyle use. I liked it for the great Latency feeling. But after few weeks i flew my O3 Quad with G2 again. Man that was a range difference, i felt so free again. Sry to say but that's it ELRS 500Hz and the Latency is OK too.
I think what people are discovering is that they see better with DJI and the fly better with HDZero. With HDZero being able to do last minute corrections to minimize crashes and to just line up gaps easier at speed makes your freestyle look fast and really really good. It's a tough decision to choose between seeing better and flying better.
I fly better when I see better. The latency in DJI is a non-factor. I have yet to wait on a command I send to be executed. There is no discernible difference that I can see. Having a big wall of rainbow pop up when you are 50 feet out doesn't help me fly. I, personally, prefer DJI. Right now. If these other players can do some R&D before they release alpha products, they might make headway. But releasing a product and hoping everyone helps you shake the bugs out, isn't ideal. And I'll show my displeasure by lambasting their horrible practices. So, I see people discovering that DJI is vastly superior in image quality and that it translates to a better flying experience. I also see myriad complaints and threads saying the same as most people on this video - they aren't ready to compete yet and they have too many bugs that shipped. Deliberate or not, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But this video, and others like it, should only be comparing apples to apples and have Walksnail and HDZero duke it out for a faraway second place.
I maybe it's just me but I feel like if you can't see where you're going latency isn't the issue one needs to solve, I like HDZERO on my whoops but anything larger goes to DJI
@@JevinW Well, your choice is either seeing half a frame of static or just not seeing that frame and getting that 1 frame's worth of extra latency, 'cause that's what DJI is really doing.
I've fully gone DJI for all of my quads, Never had a good analog system that kept the image up to my standards for flying, Once I got used to DJI I have abandoned every analog quad since, LOL, Enjoy your flying with whatever system it is.
ive only flown analog because i wasnt able to afford anything else, and after flying my buddies dji quad the latency feels so weird to me that it isnt somthing that I would consider buying. Do you just get used to it or does it impact how you fly? I know the range is much better but 800 mw isnt bad on analog
Im an analog flyer but i decided to try dji with all the hype. The latency definitely kills it for me, even at the lowest latency (im also a gamer so latency matters for me). I dont feel like I can trust what Im seeing in my goggles. Id rather have static break up but almost no latency (also after flying analog for so long, I dont even realize when there is static because im focused on the flying). However, on a more exploring and slight freestyle drone the dji is great and i do enjoy it. One more thing to note. 60fps dji cameras have much worse latency, so if you do try dji make sure to get a 120fps camera.
If you're trying to show the quality of the footage from the fpv, then I don't understand why you put the main video as the gopro video and the fpv a tiny little square in the bottom right. That kind of feels counterintuitive to me. It defeats the point of your video. We all know what gopro footage looks like. It's not why we want to watch the video you made.
@@JevinW There are two video streams here right, the main video is from the cam mounted on the top and the one in the bottom right with the fpv output is from the stream you get in your glasses. Did I get that right?
I think hdzero vs dji will always be a battle. I started flying analog few years ago and made the switch to hdzero this winter. Few weeks ago I also started with walksnail. And for now, the variable latency thing just messes my flying completely up. Doing a flip behind multiple trees, latency goes up and zack, flip ends being a shitty flip. Of course penetration with dji is waaaaay better than hdzero. So in a bando hdzero has even less range than analog. But for normal freestyle and even LR (8km) i prefer HDZero at the moment and its range is mostly on pair with analog. But perhaps I will adapt to the variable latency and start using walksnail. Lets see. But right now, for example my latest video, I dont think I would have been able to do this with walksnail or dji. And I also have to add, that I was flying farer away than the dji guys sitting with me on the hill.
Walksnail, in my opinion, is worse than HDZ. And the goggles are one use only, as far as we are led to believe right now. HDZero is better than WS, especially in the goggle arena. But the analog is still crappy, no matter how many updates they seem to send out. DJI is the standard to beat right now. Until the others start getting even a little bit closer, I'll still use it. You can forgo the action cam even, if you want.
I love my dji video quality but lately ive been having issues with latency and its caused me to really pull back s but and bot full send it like i want to. Idk why but seem slike lately im getting some sketch latency even really close to myself...i was thinking about jumping into hdzero to solve that issue but i giess they both have their issues. The grass is always greener on the other side, right?! Haha maybe ill just be a full on fpv nerd and fly everything. Analog, hdzero, walksnail, and dji haha ❤
I have the DJI V1, I h8t3 the goggles though. SO I bought the HDzero for Xmas just for the HDMI port and low latency. I have yet to open the box though, and it's 9 months later. Dont' really care about either one any more, the sim is da total bomb. Double click, hassle free.
I been thinking of trying hd0 slowing off dji.... but now I'm not thinking so. I love analog if I'm gonna get break up then I should stick with old school. Love dji also but...... you know not made for fpv pilots..... thanks for great info. Very helpful bro. Nice rip also! 😂
👍🏼 That’s some amazing flying! I bought a pair of the HD-Zero goggles (only goggles) for use with my Mavic-3 / RC-Pro setup. DJI screwed us as always with the Goggles 2 model. Just like they did with the V.2 goggles…. They did NOT include the HDMI input feature that their DJI Goggles RE (“Racing Edition). I have the Goggles RE, but the weight is way too heavy for me. (I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, which has fused most my spine) So, when DJI’s first FPV type Goggles came out, I assumed it would also have an HDMI in port. When the V.2 Goggles were announced, I asked my drug dealer (drones ARE a drug! 🤣) if they would be including HDMI. They told me that the video signal would be passed through the USB-C port. Of course, I got burned again. I then bought a pair of Orqa FPV One Pilot Goggles and they have been great! I only experience the occasional error message on screen.. but that’s only when sending the video signal through a passive 4 port HDMI splitter. I then got the HD-Zero Goggles and am VERY impressed with the build quality and video quality. The only “flaw” with them is the foam quality. It feels too thin, especially the face. But they really did a phenomenal job on the design and build. I was also just told the new DJI Goggles 2 were now compatible with the Mavic-3, so I picked up a pair. Sadly, it turns out that the Goggles do not have HDMI in, but use RF instead. The goggles are fed with the video signal directly from the drone…. AND.. the drone will not function with the DJI RC-Pro controller. The best fitting of all of these Goggles? The DJI V.2, followed by the Orqa. The HD-Zero is not the most comfortable, but this can probably be remedied with some foam “mods” in-house. Goggles have really made “camera drone” a tremendous experience for me. Thanks to the FPV folk who popularized the use of goggles.
Sounds like you just need to research a bit more before buying expensive hardware... I knew most of what you were saying here already despite never having owned any DJI goggles.
This and walksnail replacing my whoops. Though 1s walksnail I don't like it turns off when it gets under 3.1v vs hdzero 2.77v I want to use walksnail on some bigger quads
So it's been a few weeks. Worth the switch? I have the V2s, run vista/nebula for freestyle. I want to get a set of goggles for micros/whoops. Can't decide between the fatshark HD or HD zero. I know eventually as the years go on amd the V2/Vista phases out and it's hard to get stuff I will use whatever I choose and retire the vista's. But damn I can't decide which to get.
For micros/whoops I think HDZero is definitely the best option - it's the lightest: For camera + VTX, walksnail's "mini" set is 10.3g, whereas HDZero's "whoop" set is 6g. That makes quite a difference in 75mm quads, for example.
Hey man just reaching out a little Have you experienced or heard of HD Zero and ELRS having issues used together at higher wattages? Just heard something the other day that they may interfere with each other?
You might find that you get used to the break up. From what ive seen here on thsi one foight there wasnt anything that you could t confidently fly through
There is really no comparison. After getting the goggles in and updated, I’m left wondering where the money went? It looks more analogish right now. The vrx looked better but that was because skyzone was making up for what the vrx was lacking. 800 bones after all is said for the goggles, remember it does not come with antennas - all 4 of them, and I’m left scratching my head about why it looks so much l8ke analog with less penetration and range. Just my opinion based on using all of them.
@@ghettorecording2925 I guess we can't have it all! Or anywhere near non-frustrating. I guess if I was a company giving crap away for free advertising, I wouldn't see much issue in people complaining. Oh well, I talk with my wallet, as little as that may accomplish in the long run. But not dealing with these clowns is worth it in the end. If you think HDZ is bad, stay away from Caddx/Walksnail/Whatever other companies they are using the name of. Diatone has some nasty customer reps. iFlight and Newbeedrone drug out some support until I got my bank involved. RDQ - well, I don't shop there anymore either. Ugh, and don't bother with Flywoo, so much piles of broken crap from them. I find that I will run out of suppliers that make and sell good products before I find one that does good. GepRC has not done me wrong yet, and I'll reward them until they do. Most of my fpv stuff now comes from Germany - they seem to still take pride in making quality a priority. So far.
Have you set the the power level/values and SELECT the power in the CLI ? Because if you have not done correctly then you are in 25mw. I have made this error myself. If you have not . I can post the CLI.
Just fly analog for racing. HDZero is analog with colored snow. Why pay $600 for that? Analog gives low latency like ANALOG2. You'll like the white snow, so much better, it doesn't hurt yer eyes, and the $600 in yer wallet!
Correct.... Just like how nothing will beat gopro....... You wanna be able to like something more and for it to be SOLID fact on why😂 But.... you just cant😢... Dji is top... go pro is top...... Thats it😂.. I HATE ANY little static while flying..... not even steeles analog has that much white noise..... Dji all day🤗
@@stickboyfpv4742 hdzero approach serves racing, not cinematics. Race records were instantly beaten when it started being used in championships. But I get why dji is more preferable for freestyle.
Why are you getting so much break up at 1 watt? I get less break up at 200mw going behind buildings...i fly both dji o3/vista and hdzero. My page has videos showing proper hdzero performance :) this looks like how my hdzero acts on 25mw
@@madladdan Ah. Wasn't JB, it was Stingerswarm: ua-cam.com/video/249b8QkeOm0/v-deo.html He used to fly all DJI by the looks of it, then tried HDZero and now seems to fly it quite a lot.
It's funny. Everyone was use to static to let them know they were reaching the end of our analog video range. DJI comes out and it's a different kind of thing that lets us know when we are about to run out of range. But people were use to the static so they said they wanted the static. So HD Zero makes the static but most of the people got use to the sides of the video getting blurry and now most of us prefer the DJI way.
And, most of us prefer flying more than 50m away and we like flying around solid objects too! HDZero is great for racing in an open field with gates, about 30m away tops.
@@CarbonGlassMan Exactly! Isn't that what FPV freestyle is all about?! HDZero is just fine for racing at about 30m distance away. Have you seen video of guys racing with HDZero? They still get plenty of colored sparklies at that distance, when only going around gates. IMO, that's HDZero's sole purpose.
I wanted to like HDZero so much more than I actually did. For the cost and lack of performance of HDZero, I would rather fly analog. Whoops to 2.5inch go analog, 3inch and up are dji for me.
Hey, quick tip, don't use the quadmula straps, or straps that are like it. All the ones I have that are like that, have ripped. Use some nylon reinforced ones, you'll thank me later :D
HDZero is great for racing and flying 30 - maybe 50m from yourself. That's if you're not blinded by the neon colored sparklies. If you want to fly in that range its fine. Good ole ANALOG2. Pay $600 for the Goggles to get colored snow! A great buy! 💸🙈🤦
![☀ Крутая цифровая FPV система не для меня (и не для тебя) [HDZero Goggle]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xueKjeK0Iqg/mqdefault.jpg)
Love the calm, slow commentary while ripping at battery-abuse speeds!
You actually gave a much more helpful review than many of the larger creators who gave full videos, they told me what people said, but nothing about actually flying it. Thanks a bunch!
Literally been scanning youtube these past few weeks looking for someone actually pushing HDZero. Finally D3B8 to the rescue.
@@madladdan I know botgrinder has fully switched over to hdzero
@@Voyajer. I know but Botgrinder went from hating HDZero to shilling it. Also he tends to do flippy floppy stuff within the good video range. D3B8 pushes it further.
@@Voyajer. And people running any system with 2 patch antennas make it hard to gauge the performance. On camera it's "oh signal is so good" then off camera it's "man I dropped my head a millimeter and my entire screen went rainbow"
@@madladdan bot runs quad stub antennas at least some of the time, also he has the two longer range flights he's done recently, but those times he used helical antennas iirc.
After watching this video, I'm gonna stick with HDZero. I started out with analog, then went to DJI and latency was insane. HDZero fixes that. Even at 2:12 where you said you was blind, I wasn't blind at all and could fully see through that, and it was only for a couple seconds, and that was only because you hovered. I have one more LR DJI quad left in my arsenal and a couple analog, I'll be changing it to HDZero and take advantage of the new feature that came out last month and set the camera to 1080p/30, and use a GoPro for picture quality...
I kinda like the breakup :) as former analog pilot i learned to peer through the static whenever the signal went bad ;)
Yeah, try peering through that horizontal rainbow 🌈 screen of death ☠️ ! This pilot wasn't that far off from getting that when it gave full screen colored sparklies.
@sco0trot0r18 i must admit that the hdzero breakup is much more noticeable than analog. With analog there is more of a gradient scale where the colors slowly disappear, and then the static comes in. With HDzero it's ful "rainbow sparkles in your face!"
Also, the frames where HDZero is kinda covered in static are the same frames where DJI/Walksnail would be stuttering/dropping frames... DJI/Walksnail don't really have "better penetration" - they just hide the missing image data by showing you old data.
@@TheCivildecay That is one thing I wish HDZero would change - give an option to have it be black breakup instead of rainbow as it would be way less noticeable.
Since the goggle firmware is open-source, I wonder if it might be possible to change it in there, or whether it's coming out of the two custom chips with the rainbow sparkles already there...
I've been trying to make a HD decision now for 4 months. Can't decide! Thanks for the vid and thoughts.
Same here bro, I’m still undecided 🧐
Np my man. Walksnail also has something to offer with their recent discounts.
Look for my comment... That'll sum it up and help you out... 👍
Same here. But because the systemes serving opposite ends of the extremes we need both systems. At least if you have small to big quads... HDzero for 1/2 of our quads (the small ones) and O3/WN/V for 1/2 of your quads (the big ones) ...
@@Sugalime3D_FPV And, a big ole money tree with hundreds growing on it, in your backyard!
If you are comparing the DJI on a dry day (no wet trees etc) to the HDzero in a wet day, you should try the HDzero again on a dry day. Not sure about 5.8, but 2.4 GHz suffers a lot from moisture.
Damn if they ever get the penetration sorted that would be sick. That much break up that close is kinda nuts at 1w.
Best honest review I have watched. Own 2 sets of HD Zero goggles and have 5 quads running the Freestyle VTX. It has it's place. Walksnail I think is 2nd to DJI overall. Love flying that system also. Parking lots at night! Thanks!
Try 4x stubbies in one of your flights to compare the quality. It made a huge difference to my flights when switching from patch to all stubbies. Awesome rip!! 🔥
Great video! I recently put a 1watt freestyle hdzero unit into one of my quads to try it out. Yes the Los latency makes a difference in performance, but for me at a huge deficit in video quality and for me, enjoyment. So yeah I’m DJI-03 all the way. When I first flew hdzero I thought something was wrong with it. Nope, that’s the way it is.
I'm the same. O3 is so good, so clear, and the range I get, even through the forest of trees in my front yard, is exponentially greater. I lose HDZ feed about 100 feet out, I can keep going with my O3 units. They only limit I have on some of my O3 quads is Tracer and Crossfire, and I'll be replacing them with ELRS as I have no limit, YET, with ELRS. I've failsafed multiple times on Tracer and Crossfire. So get your act together Germans.
@@ogpennywise Weird. I've had the opposite performance from my O3 unit. For me, video goes orange behind a house, or through trees, and freezes completely behind any large building or structure.
I think it could be due to my antenna mounting, as it's very stubby
I tried HdZero and the next day I sold my DJI goggles. I was really amazed by how smooth the video feed is and the low latency is immedially noticeable. The breakup in your video surprises me. This is how it looks for me on 25mW.
There is a unlocking procedure for the 1W Mode
I agree I also get much less than that, I flew my first couple packs not knowing I was at 25mW and thought it was good for 1W hahaha 1W gives cancer and is better than my WS setup and my friend's DJI tbh.
@@HoRNET_FPV Another good argument - The HDZero googles are only receiving and not sending information 😄
I've got 1W unlocked on my 3 hdzero quads and the image is just as bad. I also have video of it. I'm not sure everyone's goggles are the same, now. After a few stories such as yours, but no video, and tons of videos with problems, I'm inclined to believe the videos over the anecdotal evidence in the form of words.
@@ogpennywise Well at first for some reason my 1W VTX would not go out of pit mode. I fiddled once with the LP and pit mode settings in the camera UI, then it worked and could never reproduce it afterward. try that maybe? Also I haven't tried that many combinations of antennas but I already see how sensitive it is to matching and your chosen gain(s)
@@HoRNET_FPV My settings are good. I have TrueRC ominis and patch. The supposed best you can get for hdz. Other antennas don't improve my reception. I am no tin pit mode, and I am not on anything other than 1W as I try and get better reception.
I'm going to fly a bit at lunch and see if I get anything better, but I've been flying everyday this week and fiddling with it. It hasn't improved. At all.
I tried out my Walksnail earlier too and it is still worse than HDZ, so analog and real digital (DJI) are the only things I will be using I guess. HDZ is not good. Walksnail is worse. Analog looks just as good as HDZ and has range.
I like good image in my goggles, but not at the sake of distance. It's not very fun having to fly within 200 feet of you just so you can see and pilot the craft safely. And this is in a wide open field.
Thanks for the honest and straight forward review. Cheers : )
it's always nice to hear from people who have tried different things. good, bad, and the ugly from your perspective. It was a fun listen/watch.
Some interesting points, Ive always flown analog never any digital based system so I can’t comment on what they are like to fly and been on the fence for so long considering which system to move too probably since hd zero first started to be tested when Ryan was posting all the testing leading up to the release an it was looking good, then Walksnail started to come on the scene and it was like arrr another spanner in the works. I would say I have a good analog picture and can manage it well, I think what I’m most concerned about switching to a digital system is the higher latency and not liking it, not so much with hd zero because it’s low latency any way that’s more if the breakup is going to better, worse or about the same as what I get on analog so will I be gaining much. I guess for me it’s opposite to you in the sense that your going from high image quality high latency to more breakup and lower latency, I like the analog feel probably because it’s all I know and gonna stick with, maybe HD zero would be the right choice for me. Love ya stuff always 🙏👊 be interesting to see how you settle into it
I sold my walksnail goggles and vtx. Back to analog again. Missed that feeling.... now i am thinking to hdzero
@@Lowbattery_fpv interesting 🫡
I fly DJI 03/Vista with Goggles 2 and HDZero with the HDZero goggles. I prefer to fly the HDZero for my intense Low Latency Freestyle daily ripping. You can get closer and fly with a higher level of risk due to the lower latency. I use the DJI for spots where I need the penetration and a super solid connection. I run ELRS F500 with both video systems. I also have the Walksnail VRX for the HDZero goggles and that nicely fits between both systems. I'm going to Europe next month and I'll be bringing the Goggles 2 and Quadmula Siren F3 with DJI 03 (Sub 250 build) with me. I'm taking the DJI Goggles 2 on my trip because of their compact nature for my overall FPV travel kit. Also, the HDZero goggles fit on the face way better than the Goggles 2 and the HDZero goggles work great when ripping 8-10 packs. The 90 camera is nice, but sometimes the Micro v2 camera is a little better with the 720p instead of 540p. Depends on the spot and the amount of ghost branches. I am happy to own both systems.
Damn, that is some badass flying.
I started on analog for a few months, went to hdz for over a year then to dji. Not looking back. I sorta figured the latency would suck but its really not that bad and well worth the range and penetration
Your break up is suspicious, I absolutely don't get that much at 1W especially that close . Idk what antennas your are using, but in the situation you were you should use High gain omnis and or patches. TrueRC stubbies are low gain, good for the sides but high gain on top like lillipops
Well, I would say two directional antennas & two omnis (eg lollipops) is the best idea. Some people run four directional antennas (when doing "medium range") and unless they're a really experienced long-range pilot who's good at pointing antennas in the right direction (usually doesn't work for freestyle), it generally results in worse performance than if they just used all omnis.
My first fpv goggle actually came with two low-ish gain patches, and I thought they probably give a wide enough angle that one or the other would always be pointing to the quad. Eventually I bought an omni and it instead of one of the patches and I got much better signal at the exact same flying spots as I was before.
Not sure why Americans support DJI over GoPro or Fat Shark. Amazes me
DJI over fatshark because the image is better. I don't see many people supporting dji over gopro, gopro is the best image for the size, although durability... not so much
The Betaflight OSD on DJI is working now, and since BF v4.4 its in HD mode so you can put things anywhere and you could root the goggles and it works. its very easy really. just takes alittle time. the o3 air unit seems to have a lower latency then the original air unit, especially if you run it in Focus mode, and not record on the drone or even the DVR if not necessary.. it all seems to help the number go down slightly from the already pretty good latency for digital and that level of image quality in day light, but maybe with an pretty dark ND filter on it to keep the camera in focus after coming from direct sunlight to a dark area on the ground it would normally take the camera a second to up the iso and adjust the shutter to brighten it all back up...
I've been flying DJI with full OSD and audio for months! WTFOS firmware FTW.
Tested Hdzero also a few months last Summer for Freestyle use. I liked it for the great Latency feeling. But after few weeks i flew my O3 Quad with G2 again. Man that was a range difference, i felt so free again. Sry to say but that's it ELRS 500Hz and the Latency is OK too.
Your flying skill is crazy man. What drone do you use in this content?
Hi, what’s your thoughts on Analog vs Digital? Keep up the great videos there awesome thank you 👍
I think what people are discovering is that they see better with DJI and the fly better with HDZero. With HDZero being able to do last minute corrections to minimize crashes and to just line up gaps easier at speed makes your freestyle look fast and really really good. It's a tough decision to choose between seeing better and flying better.
I fly better when I see better. The latency in DJI is a non-factor. I have yet to wait on a command I send to be executed. There is no discernible difference that I can see. Having a big wall of rainbow pop up when you are 50 feet out doesn't help me fly.
I, personally, prefer DJI. Right now. If these other players can do some R&D before they release alpha products, they might make headway. But releasing a product and hoping everyone helps you shake the bugs out, isn't ideal. And I'll show my displeasure by lambasting their horrible practices.
So, I see people discovering that DJI is vastly superior in image quality and that it translates to a better flying experience. I also see myriad complaints and threads saying the same as most people on this video - they aren't ready to compete yet and they have too many bugs that shipped. Deliberate or not, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
But this video, and others like it, should only be comparing apples to apples and have Walksnail and HDZero duke it out for a faraway second place.
Put vtx channel and power level in osd please! And a picture of goggles antennas, becuse this seems very unbelivable bad.
I maybe it's just me but I feel like if you can't see where you're going latency isn't the issue one needs to solve, I like HDZERO on my whoops but anything larger goes to DJI
Agreed being able to see at 5in speeds is so important
@@JevinW Well, your choice is either seeing half a frame of static or just not seeing that frame and getting that 1 frame's worth of extra latency, 'cause that's what DJI is really doing.
I've fully gone DJI for all of my quads, Never had a good analog system that kept the image up to my standards for flying, Once I got used to DJI I have abandoned every analog quad since, LOL, Enjoy your flying with whatever system it is.
ive only flown analog because i wasnt able to afford anything else, and after flying my buddies dji quad the latency feels so weird to me that it isnt somthing that I would consider buying. Do you just get used to it or does it impact how you fly? I know the range is much better but 800 mw isnt bad on analog
Im an analog flyer but i decided to try dji with all the hype. The latency definitely kills it for me, even at the lowest latency (im also a gamer so latency matters for me). I dont feel like I can trust what Im seeing in my goggles. Id rather have static break up but almost no latency (also after flying analog for so long, I dont even realize when there is static because im focused on the flying). However, on a more exploring and slight freestyle drone the dji is great and i do enjoy it.
One more thing to note. 60fps dji cameras have much worse latency, so if you do try dji make sure to get a 120fps camera.
@@dnsfklfhSCN I’m with Ivan! 👍🤝
Ahh mate the latency is just too much for me, can’t enjoy anything with that crap going on 👍
my idol pilot ! thank you
Nice landing.
i am ending my first year of fpv do you have any tips for freestyle? I am loving the way you fly.
Thanks man
If you're trying to show the quality of the footage from the fpv, then I don't understand why you put the main video as the gopro video and the fpv a tiny little square in the bottom right. That kind of feels counterintuitive to me. It defeats the point of your video. We all know what gopro footage looks like. It's not why we want to watch the video you made.
It’s not GoPro footage though :)
@@JevinW There are two video streams here right, the main video is from the cam mounted on the top and the one in the bottom right with the fpv output is from the stream you get in your glasses. Did I get that right?
I mean I made the video, you don’t have to explain it to me. I’m just saying that there’s no GoPro on the drone 🤷♂️
@@JevinW at 0.32 you can see the fpv camera between the frame of the quad and a large gopro like cam on the top. If it's not a gopro, then what is it?
@@chrisalexthomas it’s the action 2 as he wanted to keep his weight down and the hero 9 was to heavy, there is no go pro
effective review. do a walksnail comparison review now. please
I think hdzero vs dji will always be a battle. I started flying analog few years ago and made the switch to hdzero this winter. Few weeks ago I also started with walksnail. And for now, the variable latency thing just messes my flying completely up. Doing a flip behind multiple trees, latency goes up and zack, flip ends being a shitty flip.
Of course penetration with dji is waaaaay better than hdzero. So in a bando hdzero has even less range than analog.
But for normal freestyle and even LR (8km) i prefer HDZero at the moment and its range is mostly on pair with analog.
But perhaps I will adapt to the variable latency and start using walksnail. Lets see. But right now, for example my latest video, I dont think I would have been able to do this with walksnail or dji. And I also have to add, that I was flying farer away than the dji guys sitting with me on the hill.
Walksnail, in my opinion, is worse than HDZ. And the goggles are one use only, as far as we are led to believe right now.
HDZero is better than WS, especially in the goggle arena. But the analog is still crappy, no matter how many updates they seem to send out.
DJI is the standard to beat right now. Until the others start getting even a little bit closer, I'll still use it. You can forgo the action cam even, if you want.
I love my dji video quality but lately ive been having issues with latency and its caused me to really pull back s but and bot full send it like i want to. Idk why but seem slike lately im getting some sketch latency even really close to myself...i was thinking about jumping into hdzero to solve that issue but i giess they both have their issues. The grass is always greener on the other side, right?! Haha maybe ill just be a full on fpv nerd and fly everything. Analog, hdzero, walksnail, and dji haha ❤
I have the DJI V1, I h8t3 the goggles though.
SO I bought the HDzero for Xmas just for the HDMI port and low latency.
I have yet to open the box though, and it's 9 months later.
Dont' really care about either one any more, the sim is da total bomb. Double click, hassle free.
What is your controller? And gimbals? Thx
I been thinking of trying hd0 slowing off dji.... but now I'm not thinking so. I love analog if I'm gonna get break up then I should stick with old school. Love dji also but...... you know not made for fpv pilots..... thanks for great info. Very helpful bro. Nice rip also! 😂
What antennas did you have on your HDZero goggles for this flight?
👍🏼 That’s some amazing flying!
I bought a pair of the HD-Zero goggles (only goggles) for use with my Mavic-3 / RC-Pro setup.
DJI screwed us as always with the Goggles 2 model. Just like they did with the V.2 goggles….
They did NOT include the HDMI input feature that their DJI Goggles RE (“Racing Edition).
I have the Goggles RE, but the weight is way too heavy for me.
(I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, which has fused most my spine)
So, when DJI’s first FPV type Goggles came out, I assumed it would also have an HDMI in port.
When the V.2 Goggles were announced, I asked my drug dealer (drones ARE a drug! 🤣) if they would be including HDMI.
They told me that the video signal would be passed through the USB-C port. Of course, I got burned again.
I then bought a pair of Orqa FPV One Pilot Goggles and they have been great!
I only experience the occasional error message on screen.. but that’s only when sending the video signal through a passive 4 port HDMI splitter.
I then got the HD-Zero Goggles and am VERY impressed with the build quality and video quality.
The only “flaw” with them is the foam quality. It feels too thin, especially the face.
But they really did a phenomenal job on the design and build.
I was also just told the new DJI Goggles 2 were now compatible with the Mavic-3, so I picked up a pair.
Sadly, it turns out that the Goggles do not have HDMI in, but use RF instead. The goggles are fed with the video signal directly from the drone…. AND.. the drone will not function with the DJI RC-Pro controller.
The best fitting of all of these Goggles?
The DJI V.2, followed by the Orqa. The HD-Zero is not the most comfortable, but this can probably be remedied with some foam “mods” in-house.
Goggles have really made “camera drone” a tremendous experience for me.
Thanks to the FPV folk who popularized the use of goggles.
Sounds like you just need to research a bit more before buying expensive hardware... I knew most of what you were saying here already despite never having owned any DJI goggles.
This and walksnail replacing my whoops. Though 1s walksnail I don't like it turns off when it gets under 3.1v vs hdzero 2.77v
I want to use walksnail on some bigger quads
So it's been a few weeks. Worth the switch? I have the V2s, run vista/nebula for freestyle. I want to get a set of goggles for micros/whoops. Can't decide between the fatshark HD or HD zero. I know eventually as the years go on amd the V2/Vista phases out and it's hard to get stuff I will use whatever I choose and retire the vista's. But damn I can't decide which to get.
For micros/whoops I think HDZero is definitely the best option - it's the lightest: For camera + VTX, walksnail's "mini" set is 10.3g, whereas HDZero's "whoop" set is 6g. That makes quite a difference in 75mm quads, for example.
Hey man just reaching out a little
Have you experienced or heard of HD Zero and ELRS having issues used together at higher wattages?
Just heard something the other day that they may interfere with each other?
Im actually going back to the vista from 03 the goggles 2 fog like crazy, and i cant stand only Betaflight support.
You might find that you get used to the break up. From what ive seen here on thsi one foight there wasnt anything that you could t confidently fly through
I'll take DJI over that any day of the week. That static is such a deal breaker for me. But thank you for the informative video all the same.
Same.
very good!!! congratulations!!! Hugs from Brazil... post your rates so we know.
I got HDZero for tiny whoops and DJI for larger quads.
There is really no comparison. After getting the goggles in and updated, I’m left wondering where the money went? It looks more analogish right now. The vrx looked better but that was because skyzone was making up for what the vrx was lacking. 800 bones after all is said for the goggles, remember it does not come with antennas - all 4 of them, and I’m left scratching my head about why it looks so much l8ke analog with less penetration and range. Just my opinion based on using all of them.
HDZero was a big let down for me. And, their support, the worst!
@@ghettorecording2925 I guess we can't have it all! Or anywhere near non-frustrating. I guess if I was a company giving crap away for free advertising, I wouldn't see much issue in people complaining. Oh well, I talk with my wallet, as little as that may accomplish in the long run.
But not dealing with these clowns is worth it in the end.
If you think HDZ is bad, stay away from Caddx/Walksnail/Whatever other companies they are using the name of. Diatone has some nasty customer reps. iFlight and Newbeedrone drug out some support until I got my bank involved. RDQ - well, I don't shop there anymore either. Ugh, and don't bother with Flywoo, so much piles of broken crap from them.
I find that I will run out of suppliers that make and sell good products before I find one that does good. GepRC has not done me wrong yet, and I'll reward them until they do. Most of my fpv stuff now comes from Germany - they seem to still take pride in making quality a priority. So far.
So what you flying now bub?! Thinkinngg Ima stick with my vista and v2 djis🤗🤑🤑🤑
Have you set the the power level/values and SELECT the power in the CLI ?
Because if you have not done correctly then you are in 25mw. I have made this error myself.
If you have not . I can post the CLI.
I have the same want. I’d like for racing but keep dji for freestyle. I just speaking hypothetical. I procrastinate about HDZ.
Just fly analog for racing.
HDZero is analog with colored snow. Why pay $600 for that? Analog gives low latency like ANALOG2. You'll like the white snow, so much better, it doesn't hurt yer eyes, and the $600 in yer wallet!
HD Zero is working on a penetration mode, but you'll never beat DJI. They're both serving opposite ends of the extremes.
Correct.... Just like how nothing will beat gopro....... You wanna be able to like something more and for it to be SOLID fact on why😂 But.... you just cant😢... Dji is top... go pro is top...... Thats it😂.. I HATE ANY little static while flying..... not even steeles analog has that much white noise..... Dji all day🤗
@@stickboyfpv4742 hdzero approach serves racing, not cinematics. Race records were instantly beaten when it started being used in championships. But I get why dji is more preferable for freestyle.
@Miquel Martí ooohhhhhh I seeee my friend! I seee! Yeah Its deff more connected.. analog I mean.... for surrre brotha thanks🫡
@@stickboyfpv4742 I hope they treat you well in your new hospital 😅
@Miquel Martí hahahhahahaha I meant the latency looks and sounds amazing...😅 LIKE analog... my new hospital he says😂😂
I have never gotten any more than 780mw on maximum power. Can't get much penetration with that! Not impressed with HDZero, went back to analog!
Okey let's leave dji out for moment...
Hdzero or fatshark dominator
I really wish you would have showed us your not in 25mw. First time I flew this break up happened, I was in 25mw instead of 1W
Did you unlock the 1w mode?
He said it is at 1w at 1:05 in the video 😂
@@uncutfpv wasnt sure if he just meant the 1w vtx name or the actual mode enabled…
Hdzero feels like if analogue 2 ever existed
Nice Man New 🤙🏻🤙🏻
I've tried both and will take DJI any day
Why are you getting so much break up at 1 watt? I get less break up at 200mw going behind buildings...i fly both dji o3/vista and hdzero. My page has videos showing proper hdzero performance :) this looks like how my hdzero acts on 25mw
It’s on 1w 🤷♂️ It could always just be the location
@@JevinWcould be from the rain since the trees are all wet not sure tho
My hdzero s quad works on 200mw like my analog s quad on 25mw 😢
@@ludofevrier5593 that's definitely not normal.
HDZero is looking good, but not at DJI prices for analog breakup. If you flew DJI within HDzero's range I doubt you would have latency issues.
Looking at Joshua Bardwell's tests, I'm pretty sure you would.
@@VousieCan you link the vids?
@@madladdan Ah. Wasn't JB, it was Stingerswarm: ua-cam.com/video/249b8QkeOm0/v-deo.html
He used to fly all DJI by the looks of it, then tried HDZero and now seems to fly it quite a lot.
The analog-like interference is a hard stop for me. DJI still for the win.
Reduce latency means nothing if you can’t see!
It's funny. Everyone was use to static to let them know they were reaching the end of our analog video range. DJI comes out and it's a different kind of thing that lets us know when we are about to run out of range. But people were use to the static so they said they wanted the static. So HD Zero makes the static but most of the people got use to the sides of the video getting blurry and now most of us prefer the DJI way.
Adapt, change, frustration, repeat…
And, most of us prefer flying more than 50m away and we like flying around solid objects too! HDZero is great for racing in an open field with gates, about 30m away tops.
@@KOrnhOliO1 Oh yeah! I love flying around buildings and trees and being able to explore a couple hundred yards away.
@@CarbonGlassMan Exactly! Isn't that what FPV freestyle is all about?! HDZero is just fine for racing at about 30m distance away. Have you seen video of guys racing with HDZero? They still get plenty of colored sparklies at that distance, when only going around gates. IMO, that's HDZero's sole purpose.
Wow nicw skillz
If u did those power loops less power and closer it would be perfect
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I wanted to like HDZero so much more than I actually did. For the cost and lack of performance of HDZero, I would rather fly analog. Whoops to 2.5inch go analog, 3inch and up are dji for me.
Hey, quick tip, don't use the quadmula straps, or straps that are like it.
All the ones I have that are like that, have ripped.
Use some nylon reinforced ones, you'll thank me later :D
There's no free lunch.
What a rip that was :) lol
I've tried hdzero and I think it sucks compared to dji so I went back to DJI
Flying fast 😅
Ill stick to my dji great flying though 👍
More breakup than a decent analougue video link...Deal breaker right there...🤔😳🙄🇬🇧
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HDZero is great for racing and flying 30 - maybe 50m from yourself. That's if you're not blinded by the neon colored sparklies. If you want to fly in that range its fine. Good ole ANALOG2. Pay $600 for the Goggles to get colored snow! A great buy! 💸🙈🤦
Don't let the HDZERO fanboys see this because they will say you did it wrong
Fr 😂