BTT # 24 When She Plays "The Victim Card"
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2019
- In this show we kick off talking about emotional manipulation, the use of the victim card, and why it's a red flag men should pay attention to.
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Shawn is my favourite guest. He just makes so much sense and he is very eloquent. You two make a good team.
Bad cop and good cop - good balance honestly
Yea, Shawn plays the “ Dr Drew “ role. Richard is the “Adam Carolla”. Great team guys!
Yea they do
Kevin in sales here, thank you rich and Shawn for the call. Just listening to my voice, I can hear so much pain. I am taking your advice to heart and will be making changes. I also appreciate all the great comments about my situation. What a great collection of people here. God bless you all!
That took balls to come on the show man. Respect. We're all rooting for ya.
👍Get Stradman to bring some of his supercars down to your car lot for marketing...
Yeah there was a lot of pain there, I just about cried
@badass1g To guy ~@35:00, you need Christ. I, too, don’t get excited about anything any more, except spiritual breakthroughs (understand something crazy about God, etc.). It may sound weird but it’s true. we were designed to worship, and when we aren’t worshiping God, we are wasting our energy on obtainable “idols”, (things), that are not truly worthy of our worship. They get old fast.
King Solomon wrote about this THOUSANDS of years ago, “everything under the sun is vanity”....and he had 900+wives and was rich as crap. I promise you won’t find contentment ANYWHERE else, it’s impossible, (I tried and so have others). The answer is literally in front of you.
@@Sisterlisk i went through the exact thing...it’s debilitating.
Shaun brings up a very good point. Sometimes I think military men get into trouble with women because they live by a code of honor, and maybe expect the same from women. Women should be this way for their men, but sadly they are very very much the opposite.
Not just military men. All men.
@Chintz - You have a point,... However I think MOST men have this 'code-of-honour', that's why they get emotionally & socially TRAPPED into 'doing the right thing',... even if they have been MANIPULATED into the 'situation' SHE created.
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As for guys in the 'FORCES',... they simply have this CODE - on STEROIDS !!! - - which reinforces the 'Captain-Save- A-HOE' aspect.
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@@stevemacbr yep, well said!
Lol, plus miltary guys get good benefits,reserve or not, training away, training weekends..all great for a woman.there targets.for realz.a military man is a win in every way every way for modern women.
I was blue pilled (60%) in the USMC, but there were definitely red pilled guys, at least in my unit.
Man, its nice listening to a show where guys can make their point without hollering. I don't have to dive on my mute switch anymore when a speaker with a hotter mic and bellowing voice isn't blowing out my eardrums with rapid fire f-bombs.
Great show!
That Steve guy on the Red Man Group springs to mind..
Richard Cooper and Shaun T. Smith, literally saving lives. Thank you.
Too many callers completely ignore the subject of the show. It grinds my gears.
Peterson pointed out that men are motivated by the image of female perfection in their minds. The depression can come after the loss of that imaginary perfection when the reality of women and relationships hits home.
27:50 "I'm dead so I have nothing to lose", no fear, no anxiety etc.
Rafal Jakubek ‘lose’
@@adamsimmonds9326 corrected.
Anytime I hear a female say her ex was abusive, all I hear is, “he tried to hold me accountable and call me out on my bullshit, so I perceived that as emotional abuse”
Thank you, Richard and Shaun for providing this series. You're saving lives.
Red Pill void is real AF. Few things interest me now and the lot of ex girlfriends are like fleeting memories that lost their meaning.
If Shawn wants to explore the issues of men coming out of the military and the issues created please contact me. 3rd generation military, divorced after 21 year marriage, 3 kids (2 sons). I have a BA in Business and Information Tech and work in data analytics.
Several things to consider about Military men. In the military the older men are recognized and given rank. This fits the hierarchical way most men relate. Once a man leaves the military he is now without a tribe, and out of the male hierarchy.
Military men are trained to serve. Battlefield first aid reinforces looking out for those around you. Asking if they are OK and rendering aid. Translate that to the feminist environment of western culture. Men who are trained to look out for and make sure those around them are OK are now practicing these values on persons that have no training to reciprocate and who in fact play the victim to capitalize on this trait.
The short of it is that military men are the alpha's of the blue pill community. They serve so others don't have to. They have a sense of masculinity but not of self. This leaves them adrift and easy targets for BPD women.
Playing the victim card makes them the oppressors with their restrictions, expectations and demands.
I really hear alot of myself in the caller who said he was feeling burnt out and purpose less in life. Having a child does not mean you will get to be part of their life. My greatest joy and my reason for seeking excellence has been her. But when her mom and I split after I came to see her nature, I only now see my daughter every other weekend and on Wednesday evenings. I filed for custody and we are in the family court wheel. It's hard and there are no guarantees. The depression is real. Know thyself and figure out what brings you joy. Fill in the blank as Rich said, " I lose track of time when I do......". That's what you need to spend time doing.
If your in couples therapy it's over, gotta move on.
Can't get enough of Shawn's wisdom
That one story about the man missing purpose really connected with me great episode
I haven't seen my ex in over 2 years as I had to move back to Ontario because the economy crashed and I had to move to provide. She refused to see me. And would prevent me from coming back to Calgary by threatening me that she will leave me as I was not happy living in Calgary. During the end of our separation, I asked her if she wanted to work on our marriage, she stated that I emotionally abused her....I shook my head and walked away.
37 yro bodybuilder - purpose: How about raise a puppy of a masculine dog breed? Very satisfying to watch learn. Genuine love and companionship.
William Ryan good idea
For the guy wanting purpose in life, he can shoot for EMT training and try his hand at responding to medical emergencies with an ambulance or fire service, very rewarding work.
I have a friend who does that. He jokes that the more flights of stairs he has to climb, the heavier the woman they have to schlep back down those stairs.
Yep. The fat lady is alway the last unit at the end of the hall... in a five story walk-up. Joking aside, probably the best camaraderie outside the military is to be had in the firehouse. Few women seem to understand it.
This has been a great episode.
Rich British Bulldogs was literally the most fun game at school until they banned it 😂
Audio quality improved, content keeps getting better. This is going places
"I look up one day and saw that it was up to me, you can only be a victim if you admit defeat" The Descendents "Coolidge". Men - work on eliminating your "ums" "likes" and "y'knows".
Ehh they're super nervous. It's brave of them to be calling, so I try not to judge. Myself, I'd be talking a mile a minute, tripping over my words.
30:00 the caller is attempting to communicate that he feels despair. He feels lonely. He wants a wife and children. He wants to be in a safe place, away from toxic people. And he wants to nurture his family. That's why he keeps asking what the point of making money is if he has no family to give it to. He wants his desire to be validated. He feels alone/purposeless without a primary tribe. Both of you already had children and family, and your purpose happened after or in conjunction with the establishment of your family. It's very dismissive to suggest that this man can find/fulfill his life purpose while he's in the dumps, with no sense of connection to anyone. Social isolation is the worst torture. I can hear the grief, hopelessness, and despair in his voice.
crissie asmr what you saying it doesn’t make sense!
Man wants to nurture his family if he get what he wants from his wife!
If not no point to stay 🤚
You're right. The only real motivation men have is to get laid. Having nice things is never bad but everyone wants to get some action.
Can we make wearing a (shirt ) a requirement when men video chat each other -
Funny thing is the guy managed to wear a fucking cap indoors instead of a damn shirt.
No, what is wrong with it ! Stop focusing on the wrong stuff.
I commented on that, then deleted my comment lol but seeing as you've mentioned it, I'll say, yeah!! They clearly want to show off how ripped they are. Myself, I prefer dudes in knitted sweaters (like Rich sometimes is 😄).
Yes please
If BPD(diagnosed, not imaginable) chick paints you as the "abuser" - you will never ever able to be prove she's mistaken in that narrative.
Of course this is about the case where there was no shouting, no curse name calling, no physical assaults.
They'll still cast you as 'abusive' once the decide to monkey branch.
One of the best 'Before The Train-Wreck' - SUBJECTS EVER - This is the 'classic' (trump card) almost EVERY woman plays.
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I've been through 3-train wrecks,... and I'm trying to advise my youngest son ( who at least listens) to be ALERT, and identify the RED FLAGS. (Even gave him an APP to monitor her menstruation and indicators for 'girls-night-out' situations.)
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When he gets back to Brazil soon, for a 3-6month break,... I'll be sending him all this good stuff,... because it's sometimes better hearing these DETAILS from a (multiplicity of) third party guys, of ALL AGES, who have given up their LIFE to an ungrateful/non-contributor & expectation filled woman.
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Great video guys,.. it should be extended to many more call-ins. (BTT #24 b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,..... )
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Great callers. Loving the library Rich.
Dr. Shaun is a damn good psychologist. Wow!
40:14 "I lose track of time when ________________."
42:15 "What's the point?" Meaning/Purpose V. Frankl. You have to answer the question that Viktor posed.
These boys are doing brilliant job.
One of the best controlling tools really toxic women use is the phrase: " I don't like your tone"... Run, don't walk away from that shit. Immediately.
What I love about this channel is the spycological scaffolding we can build on our own approach to fix the demascilation we face making the wrong choice of partner.
They are not promoting that women are the problem, just simply implying that men are taking a wrong approach to building a future with a partner you don't fully know.
Absolute spear headed knowledge that is transforming men's ideological differences between men and women.
Women, see these tutorials as men kicking mens arses to get in shape in one order or another.
Man this us awesome to hear, you guys are really helping men gain context and control over their lives... Legends! 👍
That dude staying with a girl because she will hurt herself? That's just pure manipulation with a pity party and HER issue... let her solve her own issues, not your job to fix her and justify why.
What is she bringing to the table other than crazy bedroom action and issues? Where's the growth?
The “being already dead” thing is more like a dissociation with death. This goes back really far in the military and the main reason is to allow action in the face of pretty much imminent death. It also has an origin in martial arts where the purpose is to rid oneself of hesitation.
For years I lived with "the whats the point" feelings. I had no real reason I should be down. Turns out I had depression. The guy who said he drove his friends away, or was seen as a dick, that was me. I was up and down. I wasn't suicidal but just couldn't get motivated for anything as I didn't feel there was a point to anything. I spoke to my doctor, everything came back fine, expanded tests and I had depression, which once I talked to my parents, turns out ran in the family. I'm on medication that doesn't physically impact me but can has helped remove the "whats the point".
The comments at 4:50 are exactly why I ended my last abusive relationship. She was able to manipulate me in almost every other aspect of the relationship to keep me because I was a co-dependant. Was laying in bed watching Matt Walsh one night and she commented that we need less of white mens opinions and scoffed at me. I immediately tried to talk to her about what was wrong about what she said, and she called me names, then played the victim when I got fed up with her shit and told her to get the fuck out. 4 Mins in and your guest immediately hit the nail on the head. Looking forward to the rest of this video.
Absolutely fantastic video and content. I very much can relate to the guy who is questioning the purpose of putting all the hard work in just to achieve things and worldly possessions( By the way, I live in American Fork, Ut, Let's get together man and trade notes about life). There has gotta be something deeper and more meaningful to life.
I very much enjoy the positive and solution-based approach/ content of these videos. This is much better than the negative and constant woman bashing content that was produced by the Red Man Group. Keep up the great work, gentleman.
RITCH,When you describe your thoughts on suicide..You Blow My Mind! 🤯🤯🤯!
You describe my exact thoughts I had over 10 years ago. I thank my hard upbringing. to say fuck that I ain't letting this bitch make me take myself out! I'm still alive and loving IT!
British Bulldog!.. I have not heard that term in years..lol
I wonder if you can still play it in these fluffy bunny times..
I like this guy he's much better than the other two . Women need that to make themselves feel better. Women also us it as leverage to control poeple around them .....
fire under my arse is my motorcycle. I loved that verse.
Dodgeball as oppression! Only in Canada - sigh! I loved playing British bulldog as a kid.
Watching for days, helped me a lot , but I realised that watching this mean that my divorce still matters. I still looking for answers.....To get over it I have to stop watching or talking about any divorce.
Love the bit about ideologies
Kevin from Sales, remember bro, it's always darkest before dawn.
That new snapchat gps feature is killing these cheaters lately cause they either forget to turn it off or dont even know about it and folks can find out thier location and if its not what they tell you then its a lie.
If you're going to have an enemy, it's better to be the oppressor than the victim because if you don't assume that role, you'll become the victim by default.
Great show!
I left my LTR to be near my adult kids & to be in a location where I can do the things I want to do. The emotional blackmail that that came my way from her & her by friends was like the blitz 1940. I moved to a location she wanted & had lived for 25 years, her LT friends & one of her 2 kids was there. I had bought 2 properties I had to renovate with advice that I would only be there for a max of 1 year. After 2 years the emotional shit that came my way was like a tidal wave of crap., Including but not limited to, "I (she) was not returning", "you are leaving me", from her friends, "he is dumping you". Neither she nor her friends could answer why it was ok for her to remain & be close to her kids in a place she (& her friends) wanted her to be, but some how, it was not ok for me to want exactly the same things, even if it meant leaving her.
It is ALWAYS about & what the woman wants!
Changing lives. One at a time.
Excellent thank you
The first caller is broken, he needs to get up, and put himself first. Hopefully that's what he did.
Is Richard in some kind of tactical gear? 😂😎🤔
It’s a common trait of female narcissists and psychopaths to start an argument, scream and berate the guy for 20 mins and then when the guy finally says ‘shut the f*ck up’ she’ll claim he’s verbally abusive. The truth is, the guy is the one being abused.
This guy should save the money he’s going to spend on therapy, she’ll try to manipulate the therapist, and spend it filing for divorce.
In military, people are trained to be more fearful of their sargent than the enemy. This happens in relationships. You are fearful of the woman, scared of being left alone to the point that guys would put up with shit rather than being alone. They use kids or prospect of having them, as a weapon against you
It’s so weird, my ex hit me multiple times in our relationship. When I first met her she bragged about breaking her brother’s nose because he called her a “cunt.” But when I left her she falsely accused me of violence and acted as if she was scared to be in the area I lived. 🤔
I lived what your chiropractor guest was describing for many years, special needs son, feminist indoctrinated wife, accusations of "verbal abuse" for simply not enabling any and all bad behavior. The pattern he is describing is highly likely to end in divorce because prevailing social "norms" reinforce and "reward" behavior among married women that he is describing. If he stays, that hammer will be hanging above his head "forever" unless he sees real accountability from her and that is highly unlikely to occur. My sympathies to all involved particularly the child in need of additional support.
I remember murder ball.
I have to walk through the door 🚪 sideways.
That why you have to cold approach you are in tune with your and her vibe you read body language better... also you shake off the rejection
I do find it funny how they only see two sides to everything; being victims or oppressors, while forgetting that there is such a thing as being a victor. Freedom wouldn't be where it is today if bold men didn't become victors fighting off the British Empire (oppressors) (doesn't mean they were victims)
Military=self sacrificing mindset.
Red pill=self empowerment.
You need both, but lean towards self-empowerment.
I get the feeling we don't love Jordan Peterson 😂😂😂
We called it "WAR-BALL"
Funny how when kids are in the mix with all the work required, they talk about "your" kids. Women always forget that while she is doing what a woman has evolved for, he is hunting the Buffalo or bringing the money. Women have blinkers when it suits her
I've thought about this quite a bit from a military standpoint - there isn't a helplessness when you decide to get a job done, it's more that you care about finishing a job than getting hurt, and understand that you can be shut off in an instant but so can your fellow soldiers. Military guys though have a type of mentality, many coming from single mother homes, have an ideal thought of what the military is, and usually do fit nicely in because they want to be in a community of honorable people, of open communications, of life being clear...and I think guys think that women will be this way as well, especially the younger idealistic guy. Women, however, want to collect a soldier, or want benefits that the military gives the woman for just being a part of the larger family. The woman comes in with a set of checkmarks she is there to check off, the guy wants to just have what is traditionally what guys have been raised to expect. The derailment is because these guys largely do not understand that women haven't been raised with these traditional ideas in a couple of generations now, though single moms will be still raising their sons with these ideals while ironically cutting them away from their fathers.
Privileged? I'm sure those wives wanted to do those things so that they had a nice house to live in while the husbands earned the income to ensure the house remained owned
Kevin from Sales, SLC Brother here if you want to connect.
The orientation I am already dead has an upside for courage and a down side in that you are the disposable male.
Great stuff - for me it's all to late.
For the caller that lives in Salt Lake City Utah, my advice would be to leave and start over, or travel the world. He obviously has success but now he has no motivation. A business is a great step but it isn’t the last one. There’s always going to be another level to be achieved. He obviously needs to expand his comfort zone and bring his shit back to reality. Once he is humbled after leaving a small state like Utah then his goals will reup and he will be feeling challenged. He needs to hit a shit situation or a Dilemma to see how he reacts under pressure. It does sound like he’s just not the pressure and has it too easy in his perspective.
Veteran comment::: is one part blast trauma that needs TRT like Rich says.
One part False Flag, my service and heroism and the universe will pay me.
Dude that called in, hit me up! I’ve been there Brother... sucks
Hello! Is this still being uploaded to Spotify? There's only #22 and #23.
They are there now
@@EntrepreneursInCars Thank you but something is wrong: #24 is @10 minutes and #25 @23 minutes.
Hey Rich, is that the posture thing you're wearing?...
The first guy sounded like he was leaving some stuff out and in fact may have been being an angry bad communicator, and his lady who moved out may have her own serious issues with taking accountability. The car salesman who had a drug problem may have serotonin issues because of it. The third cat who is 22 and learned to be red pill from his mommy is far from it and is getting played like a fiddle and betatized by 1000 cuts Haha. These poor sobs
It's like your videos coincide with my life.
And that means I have F'd up and made some bad choices.
Oh wow. I feel for the shirtless dude. He is really stuck and waiting on therapy always sucks almost as much as going through it with someone else. Couples therapy is usually supplemented with individual therapy. Individial therapy is typically where people figureout they rather bounce than stay.
Do you know of any men's groups in London Ontario???
Where can you get that harness Rich?
I was just gonna something about that- like he’s shooting these segments between some crazy Mission Impossible stuff.
It's for posture. He has an Amazon link in his description
I know, but can’t we just have this bromance fantasy where Rich actually did top-secret missions that Tom Cruise re-enacted?
"teal swan intermittent reinforcement" that vid on youtube. That guy needs to watch something like that. It explains how he still feels soft to her, and why, he should diligently control himself.
Your podcast cuts out after 10 minutes during your first caller
It takes 2 to tango and a marriage is a partnership the woman always plays the victim. This all sounds familiar. @1:03 manufacturing in their head...ugh...They want to start trouble for no reason..@1:25 the coworker victim club...
Man, you should have me on your show! I'm an author and I think we could collaborate on some serious content! Mike...the child support specialist advocate...
The guy who’s girl won’t let go of him “cheating” if you hadn’t had the talk and only barely a month in then you don’t have anything to apologize for, He’s allowing her to do this to him and to them as a couple,
@Barney Stinson - (Et Al) - If you, or she has 'cheated'... there's something ALREADY wrong with the fundamentals of the relationshiT - - split & move on.
Most men are good, nice guys 😹
Rich, I’m 60 year young, I do look and feel much better than in my peak at 30.
I came back to the gym te year ago I hooking up with chicks in their 20s
Diet attitude, and the gym can reversed age..
The semi depressed guy who always has the body in the guy: Sounds like a hormonal burn out. There are many nutrients that you need more of when your working out hard all the time, add the no social circle and being bored and here he is.
Wonder if he’s on steroids... could be to do with it...
uugh, those chicks with problems, this brings up memories. he should run, run boy, it will hurt but run, dont look back, you will not fix her, run, just run, run away.she is not special, ruuuun
Shawn RE your query on military guys they are badass alphas at work but ultimately they are “protectors” of the weak and powerless and that’s why they have their ass handed to them unsuspectingly by women.
Concerning the discussion at about 33:00 when the gentleman is questioning purpose, I am completely happy not pursuing females. I have chosen to pursue excellence in my life. Energy Vampires are not excellence. Drama mamma's are not excellence.
You need a talk show brother.
Anyone red pilled influences in the Spokane Wa area ?
dude when my wife of 20 yrs said i verbally abuse her and when i had a sucidial episode to which she said..most people just write a note..i left her..done
Ouch. Good call brother.
IMO, Kevin In Sales would benefit from pursuing spirituality. - Matthew 5:3.
Dang, I wish I could get that guys number in SLC, I'm in similar boat, my tribe has shrunk too much and having just two friends close by just isn't cutting it. I live in SLC bro! If your ever on here again in the comments throw out a comment. We can meet at Squatters and have a beer! Shit any guy for that reason, if your out there and your looking for friends and in SLC, ping me back here on comments, sadly I don't dare leave my contact information.
If it wasn't for the work of that scientist this particular b**** would still be washing clothes by hand.
Capt Save a Hoe complex😂.
" Im gonig to kill myself " = Womanipulation