You go to work to earn money and do your job. 99% of people have zero interest in anyone sexuality. In fact people are sick to death of hearing about this
Thanks for your comment. This is probably quite a common view, including among lesbians and gay people! Do you have a view on whether LGBT staff groups should be disbanded, if they've lost direction and no longer represent a full range of views?
My work had an LGBTQIA staff group set up a couple of years ago… organised by a straight woman of course. As a gay man I was automatically enrolled in it by her! As I knew it would be, the group is just a vehicle for trans activism (we have no trans staff). Its first action was an anti-JK Rowling move followed by demanding - and getting - membership of Stonewall. Then trans sloganeering at Pride. LGB people are just the front for this homophobic politicking. We’re just being used. I despise it.
Same. The forced teaming of LGB with TQ has to stop. We are not parallel issues. We have different values and needs. We are mutually EXclusive. TQ is an ideology involving people who are dissociated from the self & natal body
Oh dear, it looks like there is quite a lot of this about. As you say, it is irritating, insulting and divisive. Did you feed back your thoughts, or are you not in a position to be frank with your employer? (Again, an all-too-common scenario)
What do employers get wrong? That it matters. Had plenty of Gay colleagues, know a Gay car mechanic. All fine upstanding people who do their job without waving pronouns, flags, or lifestyle into your face. Most of them you wouldn't even know because it just doesn't matter. It's work, not a parade.
Enjoyed this discussion. As I navigate this with my son who is gay ,male and now identifies as a woman (I am a Terf). I try to apply how I negotiate the terrain as an atheist with a sister who is a practicing Catholic..a best mate who is a C of E Vicar …We all have people in our lives with whom we disagree . I have managed to maintain my relationship with my son by just doing loving mum stuff for him and restricting my interventions to warnings about the health implications but otherwise avoiding the topic because he knows my views.
Thanks for watching the interview - and for this comment. As you say, this is tricky territory... but don't we all deal with tricky things (and people!) all the time, both at home and at work? The challenge for employers will be re-setting the boundaries and tone around conversations at work. It can't be right that anyone is sitting at work feeling they have to pretend to hold beliefs that they strenously disagree with, surely?
@@honberg193 He came out as gay before the “trans” madness. He is now on drugs which suppress his sexuality but recently moved out to house share withh his first ever male friend who is an out gay man. I am hoping this is a good sign..though I am worried about the health implications because of the drugs.
That’s a difficult one as homosexuals who come to identify as trans often feel an intense internalised homophobia and dissociate from the self. Has he been given any therapy? One that isn’t strictly gender affirming? It would be helpful to explore the causation for why your son believes he’s not male. I’m a lesbian nearing 60 now and was a Tomboy growing up; had I come of age today, I know I would have been captured by this dangerous contagion. Belief systems are challenging.
An employer level conversation needs to be had about shoving all of this into peoples' faces for a month every year and increasingly all the time in the wort place. It's obnoxious, unwanted and is causing resentment towards LGBT. I refuse to kow tow to it but beyond that do not judge people on who they fancy (as long as it's legal) or what they identify as, as long as they mind their own business and let me mind my own. After all, I don't require (or wish) for people bow before my identity and elevate me above others based upon that. So why should I be forced to bow to others and elevate them? [edit] In addition the video mentions marginalisation. The most unmarginalised people going now are LGBT. Not saying that they have no problems, but to pretend otherwise is deluded. The marginalised are the straight people these days. From an outside perspective, within LGBT, I believe the L & G are marginalised within LGBT.
Thanks for this comment, and you are not alone in holding these views. You might find Episodes 6, 7 and 8 valuable - as we discuss the negative impact that bad DEI is having on the inside of organisation (it's not just 'go woke, go broke' - ie customers don't like being lectured to). For example we discuss the impact on productivity/ employee engagement, retention, grievances, and recruitment. We conclude that the corporations wil be the first to grasp the nettle and sort out mis-steps around DEI, as bad DEI is clearly bad business. It's likely it will take others (eg. the arts, universities, charities etc) longer, but if the corporate world leads on normalising these discussions and show the benefits of returning to workplaces that are genuinely inclusive (not just of those with the 'right' views), that should hopefully spread across by osmosis. Are you optimistic?
Thanks for responding. Unfortunately DEI is poison now. It's been allowed to run rampant in all walks of life virtually un checked for years and it's facing justifiable wholesale rejection as a result. It's other aspect, BRIDGE, will probably receive the exact same treatment. There are many numerous reasons why but mostly it's incredibly divisive, makes people very aware of their differences, blatantly discriminates against & is openly disrespectful towards straight white men (very badly in the US), has destroyed institutions which should have remained neutral, and the significant limiting of "acceptable" free speech. In my opinion DEI should be grouped with a certain ideology from the 1930's and 1940's and treated accordingly. My recommendation: no politics in the office, allow people to skip pronouns for those who are critical, don't be discriminatory. Not hard. I will check out those other episodes - thanks for letting me know about those. Also thanks for your reasonable reply.
Not a problem! Given the name of the podcast, we intend to cover all workplace issues that are currently being under-discussed. So, if it's being shouted down, whispered about or swept under the carpet, that's a topic for us!
Tanya l am looking into the BSB (bar standards board) and government consultation on new edi rules for barristers and l wonder if you might be able to find someone to interview for your channel on this. I think l heard you speak from the audience at a recent FSU debate too, thanks, l enjoy your perspective.
Thank you! For the time being TIW will be from general 'employer' standpoint. Having said that, there are certainly plans to cover more industry-specific issues once our audience is larger. So if you want this sort of content, please help to spread the word about TIW! :) In the meantime, thank you for listening, and for taking the trouble to comment.
Bringing it up all the time, I don’t want pride emails, and people talking about sexuality in the work place! As long as people aren’t being discriminated against there is nothing more people need to do! Work is not for this nonsense
Thanks for this. Given the mess many employers seem to find themselves in now, it's likely that at least a few will agree with you! If you get a chance to look at our previous episodes with Neil Morrison, you'll get a sense of why 'DEI' exploded as it did, where it seems to have gone off the rails, and which issues (including 'LGBT') are the ones that will not be resolved neatly... and are therefore pushing employers towards the conclusion that they need to look at all of this again! If you have a chance to watch, let us know what you think?
@@This-Isnt-Working I’ve been openly gay since I was 11, and it has never been a massive part of my life. Now in the last 15 years it’s all I hear about, how I must have had it difficult or how many jobs I didn’t get because of it, I have never felt held back and at work I want to be judged on my skill, knowledge and ability, I don’t want to be a government tick box! Diversity isn’t a requirement for most roles outside of marketing and testing! Diversity has actually caused me to miss out on more opportunities, because having a POC gay person in a role they can’t do looks way better then having a cis white gay person in the role they could do with their eyes closed! If you were truly an equality opportunities employer you wouldn’t know if you had gay, neurodivergent, religious groups because you’d just be hiring on merit and skil, nothing else would be a requirement for an employer to know about
@@This-Isnt-Working I think another important thing is a lot of us in our late 30s don’t feel like LGBTQIA represents us at all, and we don’t want to be associated with the current madness, so we certainly don’t want our colleagues making assumptions about is based on the nonsense that’s currently being pushed everywhere
You go to work to earn money and do your job. 99% of people have zero interest in anyone sexuality. In fact people are sick to death of hearing about this
Thanks for your comment. This is probably quite a common view, including among lesbians and gay people! Do you have a view on whether LGBT staff groups should be disbanded, if they've lost direction and no longer represent a full range of views?
My work had an LGBTQIA staff group set up a couple of years ago… organised by a straight woman of course. As a gay man I was automatically enrolled in it by her! As I knew it would be, the group is just a vehicle for trans activism (we have no trans staff). Its first action was an anti-JK Rowling move followed by demanding - and getting - membership of Stonewall. Then trans sloganeering at Pride. LGB people are just the front for this homophobic politicking. We’re just being used. I despise it.
Same.
The forced teaming of LGB with TQ has to stop.
We are not parallel issues.
We have different values and needs.
We are mutually EXclusive.
TQ is an ideology involving people who are dissociated from the self & natal body
Totally agree
Oh dear, it looks like there is quite a lot of this about. As you say, it is irritating, insulting and divisive. Did you feed back your thoughts, or are you not in a position to be frank with your employer? (Again, an all-too-common scenario)
What do employers get wrong?
That it matters.
Had plenty of Gay colleagues, know a Gay car mechanic.
All fine upstanding people who do their job without waving pronouns, flags, or lifestyle into your face.
Most of them you wouldn't even know because it just doesn't matter.
It's work, not a parade.
Thanks Peter. Do you agree that employers were trying to be supportive but over-did it? Or do you think it was all a cynical ploy of some sort?
Enjoyed this discussion. As I navigate this with my son who is gay ,male and now identifies as a woman (I am a Terf). I try to apply how I negotiate the terrain as an atheist with a sister who is a practicing Catholic..a best mate who is a C of E Vicar …We all have people in our lives with whom we disagree . I have managed to maintain my relationship with my son by just doing loving mum stuff for him and restricting my interventions to warnings about the health implications but otherwise avoiding the topic because he knows my views.
Thanks for watching the interview - and for this comment. As you say, this is tricky territory... but don't we all deal with tricky things (and people!) all the time, both at home and at work? The challenge for employers will be re-setting the boundaries and tone around conversations at work. It can't be right that anyone is sitting at work feeling they have to pretend to hold beliefs that they strenously disagree with, surely?
Hi I'm a non leftwing sexologist. You say your son was gay. Do you mean he happily engaged in same sex relationships before he identified as a women.
@@honberg193 He came out as gay before the “trans” madness. He is now on drugs which suppress his sexuality but recently moved out to house share withh his first ever male friend who is an out gay man. I am hoping this is a good sign..though I am worried about the health implications because of the drugs.
@@tish3092 He'll detrans if he wasn't early onset. Sorry Tish. I just wish we could go back 20 years to proper evaluation and safekeeping
That’s a difficult one as homosexuals who come to identify as trans often feel an intense internalised homophobia and dissociate from the self. Has he been given any therapy? One that isn’t strictly gender affirming? It would be helpful to explore the causation for why your son believes he’s not male.
I’m a lesbian nearing 60 now and was a Tomboy growing up; had I come of age today, I know I would have been captured by this dangerous contagion.
Belief systems are challenging.
An employer level conversation needs to be had about shoving all of this into peoples' faces for a month every year and increasingly all the time in the wort place. It's obnoxious, unwanted and is causing resentment towards LGBT. I refuse to kow tow to it but beyond that do not judge people on who they fancy (as long as it's legal) or what they identify as, as long as they mind their own business and let me mind my own. After all, I don't require (or wish) for people bow before my identity and elevate me above others based upon that. So why should I be forced to bow to others and elevate them?
[edit]
In addition the video mentions marginalisation. The most unmarginalised people going now are LGBT. Not saying that they have no problems, but to pretend otherwise is deluded. The marginalised are the straight people these days. From an outside perspective, within LGBT, I believe the L & G are marginalised within LGBT.
Thanks for this comment, and you are not alone in holding these views. You might find Episodes 6, 7 and 8 valuable - as we discuss the negative impact that bad DEI is having on the inside of organisation (it's not just 'go woke, go broke' - ie customers don't like being lectured to). For example we discuss the impact on productivity/ employee engagement, retention, grievances, and recruitment. We conclude that the corporations wil be the first to grasp the nettle and sort out mis-steps around DEI, as bad DEI is clearly bad business. It's likely it will take others (eg. the arts, universities, charities etc) longer, but if the corporate world leads on normalising these discussions and show the benefits of returning to workplaces that are genuinely inclusive (not just of those with the 'right' views), that should hopefully spread across by osmosis. Are you optimistic?
Thanks for responding. Unfortunately DEI is poison now. It's been allowed to run rampant in all walks of life virtually un checked for years and it's facing justifiable wholesale rejection as a result. It's other aspect, BRIDGE, will probably receive the exact same treatment. There are many numerous reasons why but mostly it's incredibly divisive, makes people very aware of their differences, blatantly discriminates against & is openly disrespectful towards straight white men (very badly in the US), has destroyed institutions which should have remained neutral, and the significant limiting of "acceptable" free speech. In my opinion DEI should be grouped with a certain ideology from the 1930's and 1940's and treated accordingly.
My recommendation: no politics in the office, allow people to skip pronouns for those who are critical, don't be discriminatory. Not hard.
I will check out those other episodes - thanks for letting me know about those.
Also thanks for your reasonable reply.
@@This-Isnt-Working Looks like my reply got shadow banned. Can be seen by changing "Sort by" to "Newest First". Good ol' YT not liking a bit of truth.
You have a public persona which you present at work and a private life at home and with friends and family, what's so difficult?
Thanks for interviewing Kate
Not a problem! Given the name of the podcast, we intend to cover all workplace issues that are currently being under-discussed. So, if it's being shouted down, whispered about or swept under the carpet, that's a topic for us!
Tanya l am looking into the BSB (bar standards board) and government consultation on new edi rules for barristers and l wonder if you might be able to find someone to interview for your channel on this. I think l heard you speak from the audience at a recent FSU debate too, thanks, l enjoy your perspective.
Thank you! For the time being TIW will be from general 'employer' standpoint. Having said that, there are certainly plans to cover more industry-specific issues once our audience is larger. So if you want this sort of content, please help to spread the word about TIW! :) In the meantime, thank you for listening, and for taking the trouble to comment.
Employers want to hire workers. Preening and prancing drama queens have introspective issues and put their sexuality before work.
Bringing it up all the time, I don’t want pride emails, and people talking about sexuality in the work place! As long as people aren’t being discriminated against there is nothing more people need to do! Work is not for this nonsense
Thanks for this. Given the mess many employers seem to find themselves in now, it's likely that at least a few will agree with you! If you get a chance to look at our previous episodes with Neil Morrison, you'll get a sense of why 'DEI' exploded as it did, where it seems to have gone off the rails, and which issues (including 'LGBT') are the ones that will not be resolved neatly... and are therefore pushing employers towards the conclusion that they need to look at all of this again! If you have a chance to watch, let us know what you think?
@@This-Isnt-Working I’ve been openly gay since I was 11, and it has never been a massive part of my life.
Now in the last 15 years it’s all I hear about, how I must have had it difficult or how many jobs I didn’t get because of it, I have never felt held back and at work I want to be judged on my skill, knowledge and ability, I don’t want to be a government tick box!
Diversity isn’t a requirement for most roles outside of marketing and testing!
Diversity has actually caused me to miss out on more opportunities, because having a POC gay person in a role they can’t do looks way better then having a cis white gay person in the role they could do with their eyes closed!
If you were truly an equality opportunities employer you wouldn’t know if you had gay, neurodivergent, religious groups because you’d just be hiring on merit and skil, nothing else would be a requirement for an employer to know about
@@This-Isnt-Working I think another important thing is a lot of us in our late 30s don’t feel like LGBTQIA represents us at all, and we don’t want to be associated with the current madness, so we certainly don’t want our colleagues making assumptions about is based on the nonsense that’s currently being pushed everywhere