44:34 Hey, Nightdive Kex engine developer Edward here; I'm not sure what's going on with Still Wakes The Deep and the engine they have, but the GDK on Windows *doesn't* have anything different that requires an entirely different code path. It is unknown why these developers somehow have special requirements, but objectively none exist. Especially in Kex, winstore GDK builds are identical compile targets to Steam and GOG on a system level. You get the same graphics APIs and everything, it even still runs on top of SDL2. There's one exception in that we disable exclusive full-screen due to background pop-ups dialogs (and I'm not entirely sure if that's even still relevant, we should go back and retest that, and other platforms have their own issues with exclusive fullscreen as well) but that has no logical effect on things like DLSS. Their reasoning doesn't really make any sense from my perspective. Edit: Unless the real problem with winstore GDK is actually Epic themselves.
50:41 the frustration of not knowing if a button registers after clicking it was hilarious. The anger of such a simple process being broken is just gold.
theres a lot of problems like that with finished products from microsoft, im just baffled why DF is still in so positively covering MS's pre release, marketing content, where in the end things are often just terrible
This is my most hated GUI element. A button needs to do something when I press it. Either do the thing, or give me a audible tone that says you can't do that, and the type of tone should be why; it's on CD, you have no target, it's been suppressed by a debuff... etc.
That has been my experience when having to open the Xbox app on PC. My only work around, is that I have the game pinned to my taskbar, which is the only way I KNOW my click is being registered and the app automatically opens and then launches the game. Its so pathetic. This is Games for Windows Live-level of crap.
@@BrianM78 You let that one swoosh right over your head. You can use retroarch on XSX and XSS and play PS2 games at higher framerate, resolution, and quality than the PS5 releases. You don't have to cope so hard to defend Sony.
@@BrianM78that's because the studios specifically ported the games for the PS5. It's funny in some ways, especially with eg Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment and how those ports worked, but it's not even remotely equivalent to the Series S being able to play consoles' worth of PlayStation games that the flagship PlayStation console can't play.
@@nintendo1889xThey should have improved it massively by now, as it is, it's like running a ps2 emulator on a mid to low range android phone, which is clearly illogical considering ps5's hardware
12:30 Another thing to mention with these recent PSP and PS2 emulated releases, if you change the system language to Japanese or Korean you also get the JP and KR releases when they're available
Also, if you paid for any of these Classics digital releases on PSN back in the PS3 era, you get them at no extra charge with enhancements on PS4 and PS5. PS really should mention that. It would be sad if they don't because they don't plan on always honoring the free upgrade.
If your son or daughter is going away to collage make sure you buy them a Qualcomm powered PC. The Surface looks all shiny and cool, so they'll be really happy with it, but that night when they decide they're going to waste time playing videogames on their fancy new computer, they'll come to find studying is the better option :^)
@@mtrxishere3772 Hence the "glorified" ;) Though there were some high end Chromebook models (like Pixelbook), I wouldn't be really surprised to see one pop up with a Snapdragon X inside
The Sony emulation for PS1/2 is baffling for some of their decisions. John is right here. The only thing I can think of is that Sony may have some internal play data from the PS+ service that while people online say they want these classics on PS+, in reality, they aren't played enough or by enough subscribers to make the investment into better emulators.
Idk, I think they phoned it in because none of these people are enthusiasts, and ultimately, they view this as a minor value-add rather than a main selling point. So, getting it ‘right’ just isn’t a priority, or else they don’t even know what getting it right entails when it comes to getting these games looking their best on modern displays. That said, Nintendo, for whom their back catalog is part of their sales pitch/used as an upsell, continues to use a relatively poor emulator for their N64 titles, even after doing relatively good work on the Wii/WiiU VCs. Kind of sad that all of these manufacturers are having their lunch eaten by enthusiasts
It definitely comes down to cost and QA, probably consistency of experience as well. It's known that some EMU enhancements can break games. That might be acceptable to the PC user who's used to tweaking things, but for a console that's unacceptable. Take it a step further, why don't these companies add a reshade like feature to add RT and AO to older games? The more new features that are added to older games, the more testing needed. And if these higher resolutions and new features only work on some old games but break others, that really requires full play throughs of these games to ensure there's no new game breaking bugs. To be fair though, Xbox did do a lot of that leg work for back compat themselves and got enhancements in a fair amount of games. Has MS made that money back though? Hard to say, they certainly earned good will with some gamers but has it actually sold them more consoles?
@saturnFIV3 This is why I think Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't uprender. How much time they had with these games. They usually work on three games a month. This month they had six to work on and Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends suffered because of that. Clone Wars has uprendering working correctly and so does Ghost Hunter. So I think it's down to time. Every single PS Classic I've played has uprendering working as intended. Except for Tomb Raider Legends and Sly Racoon. So it's down down to they didn't have enough time to work on certain games.
I think John hasn't checked the PS1, PSP emulated games in a while. PAL/NTSC have been available for a long time and there are a lot of other options they've been added. Not everything has been good, there's a weird default to 4:3 for 16:10 bug, but there have been some good options like analog dead zone, button mapping etc. They've even patched in the PS3 content for PSP Resistance.
Yeah! I've noticed that with recent games. I have to switch to 4:3 16:9. It's like the person doing the emulator likes 4:3 16:10 or something. And Resistance Retribution got it's Infected Mode patched in.
Microsoft did so much better a job of backwards compatibility/legacy hardware. Wasn't perfect by any means but they at least guaranteed that OG Xbox games would be upres and work well. It's a huge huge shame they stopped the BC effort. So many great games that could be brought forward still
Yeah it's called a PC, which is why the PC platform will always have the biggest and best software library and back catalogue ever. If people and stupid execs haven't realised by now hardware lives and dies by its software. Make emulation a priority and you'll be financially rewarded.
I'm glad that Microsoft has prioritized so much effort with back compat. I'm quite sure that the work load was strenuous. Sony could do way more with back compat if they wanted to, but it's obvious their priorities are set on the newer stuff. It would be a good thing if Sony did more, but I kind of don't blame them for the less effort given to the past.
I saw a former Nintendo NST employee (he's now working for another company) talk about how, when he worked at Nintendo, they had a motto: If you are going to make a game that you expect to sell half a million units, budget it so it cost the equivalent of those sales. Nintendo's budget control is crazy - though it helps not being stationed in the US, where each and every role costs a buttload of money (Japan is much cheaper in comparison, due to the vastly lower cost of living).
@@azazelleblack the average wages for Japan is much lower. Housing prices are much lower. There's way less cost for healthcare. The US gets a stupid high labour cost, especially on the coasts. The other day I thought 60K a year, and an American told me "that's too low". In much of Europe, 60K is a really nice wage, and in Japan as well.
@@cyberrb25 In most of the US, 60K is a really nice wage. I live comfortably in a rural part of the US on less than half of that. The problem with looking at these statistics for the US is that we have places like Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the nicer parts of NYC where the income is so high (and thus property/housing prices) that it completely blows out the scales. In MOST of the US housing is relatively cheap. What I said to begin with was that housing in Japanese *cities*, particularly in Tokyo, is very expensive. Yes, outside the cities Japan is cheap, but that's true of almost anywhere.
And with that idea, it's better to predict sales on the lower end, so that you spend less on budget. That way you get a bigger profit when sales exceed your expectations.
Nintendo is for true gamers to have fun and simply enjoy gaming .....other consoles ps5 and xbox are for 60fps afficionados who keep bitching about fps, raytracing etc but forget to enjoy playing games !
The real reason why most games don’t even launch on Windows on Arm is because anti-cheat kernel modules are not yet ported to Arm. Microsoft just announced that 3 of those including BattlEye are coming soon. Valve dealt with the same issues in the early days of Proton, but they eventually got through them.
I was under the impression that these new arm surfaces were going to be trash for gaming anyways. So many compatibility issues to jump through. Otherwise, those new laptops are great for everything non gaming lol.
even still, on the games that work you're getting worse than steam deck performance for 2000 pounds, 2000, you can buy a regular x86 laptop with a 4070 and a bigger, better ultra high refresh rate screen for less than that, even once the compatibility issues are solved the hardware is just useless, pointless if you wanna game
@@elizabethagudelo7179 Its advantage over x86 is that it gets closer to Apple levels of efficiency, at least in non-game workloads. If you don't need that, or can wait for the next round of x86 coming within a year, it's pointless.
Eventually yeah, but still having issues on Valve side sadly. So its an never ending struggle with anti-cheats. So Microsoft is going to lewrn that the hard way too.
The people that actually want to play those titles will emulate on PC or play on og hardware. Sony knows this and makes the games playable but nothing spectacular on ps4/ps5
@Gravy1255 You are right. I don't mind some of my ps2 and ps3 disc working on the PS5 with emulation. Like how Xbox did with their backward compatible emulator on series X, I have some Xbox and 360 physical games, and they run great on series x.
I had Bubsy 1 back in the day. I agree with Rich, it was poor. The kind game that even as a bored kid with nothing better to do, I still wouldn't play it.
6:45 Does John not realise that poor people (and young people) play games and care about performance? Kind of baffling to hear that comment in the current economic climate
none of them had to struggle financially, well idk about Rich, they're immigrants from the US in Germany who have lived there for over a decade. I'm goin by Alex's german accent since he sounds exactly like someone who took german in america, and the german student I was friends with sounded way different......Moving to a new country isn't cheap, especially moving there and being accepted by a country like germany if you're not like trying to escape your country's government collapsing. John was going to E3 as a teenager and had every new console on release. They are extremely out of touch in terms of people's idea of cost and worth.
Young enthusiast kids I agree would benefit from this, but if you’re an adult and care about performance in video games but are struggling financially, a Series S is just a poor investment. You’d be better off just saving for longer and getting a Series X or PS5, especially when cutting out the option for cheaper physical copies if you opt for the S. Trying to frame his comment as classism really seems out of pocket and uncalled for.
@@McCheesy22OK but why not just take it a step further, forget the series X and save for a PC? Yeah you'll always have a better experience if you spend more money... That's how that works.
@@saturnFIV3The gulf in price between a Series S and X is 150 bucks. The gulf in price between a Series X and a good gaming PC is thousand dollars. But go off I guess
With how the PS2 Emulation games seem to be so far for PS5, I sincerely hope it does end up getting fixed down the line. But one thing I am hoping for those PS2 Classics is the Original PS2 God of Wars being put onto PS5 because those games need some preservation cause they are awesome.
It strikes me that Microsoft used to have a UI that was ideally suited to handheld devices, why they haven’t resurrected the Metro UI format for gaming scenarios is beyond me. Maybe there’s something I’m not aware of here, but im under the impression it’s that Metro is still around in windows 10 as an option. No clue about 11, I stopped being a home windows user years ago, but they’ve dropped the ball big here. It was a good phone UI and could be a great handheld UI
As much as I'm happy to see new PS2 games it's kinda weird that they haven't made that many improvements to the emulator for the PS5, but I wonder if that's due to the rewind function. It was a surprise to see the rewind function in PS2 games considering that it is something rare in console emulators of this generation (Dreamcast, PS2, Game Cube and Xbox) because it requires a lot of hardware, specifically RAM. Heck, even Nintendo disabled the rewind function on Nintendo 64 games on the NSO because of that.
A couple words about ARM laptops: I haven't got an X Elite device yet (waiting for 5G versions) but I've got an SQ2 Surface Pro X since 2021. I haven't bought it as a gaming machine and I never expected it to be a gaming machine (same for X Elite), but I found Ori and the Blind Forest to run well enough. The reason I got it was the 4G modem, battery life and overall dimensions (especially weight). All other software I usually use (development tools, browsers, messaging stuff, basic photo editing, virtualization, dockers etc) works flawlessly. The problem with X Elite and seems to be twofold: GPU seems to be rather disappointing (drivers especially, also both Vulkan and OpenGL are not natively supported), but the other issue is how the emulator works: it's a JIT, it's recompiling as it goes, so basically that means you can expect a CPU equivalent of shader stutter until native ARM games are built, which I think explains the huge spikes in frame time.
what are the chances that game devs build native arm games? the m macbooks have a 2x to 3x faster gpu than the x elite and apple has already sold millions of them.... Apple shipped 22M Macbooks in 2023 alone. Game devs ignored that. You think they'll spend millions to rewrite their game engines to make arm games for pc's that might or might not ever be successful? Unity games, maybe? Unreal, perhaps. Anything else, not gonna happen. And it takes years to write an engine... Games in development for the next 3 to 5 years aren't going to be ARM
@@thisnowthen I looked up a page and it basically just has for UE4 append “ -Architecture=arm64” to make an arm game. There are games that started on mobile and went to PC (farlight 84) and vice versa (pubg) without too many birth throes, I'm sure it mostly comes down to a resource balancing act. The problem is the compatibility with x86 on a Windows which might never be patched.
"If you were an Activision-Blizzard studio, Alex, which one would you be?" Alex, with zero hesitation: "King." Already off to a rip-roaring start this week, gents.
The bad PS2 and PSP emulation is making me think of the famous Gabe Newell quote. Why would I pay Sony money for bad emulation when good emulation is free? Sony has a worse service than the pirates so guess what path I'd take if I wanted to replay some PS2 or PSP. (Yes emulators are legal, the ROMs to play on them are not, you know what I meant, go "well ack shully" somewhere else)
I've only seen uprendering issues with Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends. Clone Wars and Ghost Hunter uprender correctly. Daxter was patched the other day. Maybe this frame pacing issue was fixed.
Alex always seems to have problems with things I dont see on gamepass and some games. With game pass you need to make sure the app is updated which is a weakness but sometimes steam will not launch a game on first download and you need to browse to the local files and run it once from there, so steam is not error free depending on the game.
I've never had an issue launching a Steam game. Meanwhile I re-downloaded Forza Horizon 5 the other day and the only way to get it to run was to locate the exe and run as administrator. Just opening via Xbox app the game immediately closes. Back when Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3 launched I had to completely re-install Windows 10 because of how buggy UWP can be. I would say that Microsoft easily has the worst game platform on PC although it has improved over the years.
@@Phil_529 Lucky you, others have had problems running games on Steam. Atlas refused to run and I had to reinstall it. Most of the issues Alex brings up about PC Game Pass stem more from his ignorance of how PC Game Pass is tied to the Xbox consoles. PC Game Pass shares the same achievement list and has Xbox cloud saves. So while yes, you could change the games to the Steam versions, that would break the cloud saves so that when you try to play them on an Xbox console or your phone (using cloud gaming), your save wouldn't be there anymore. You would get a lot of people up in arms if they changed to the Steam versions of PC Games because not only would you lose all of your cloud saves, but you would also lose all of your cross buy titles. The other issue with switching to the Steam versions is that this is a subscription service, so when someone ends their sub they would still be able to play the game.
@@WllKiedSnake Hahaha absolutely punishing! Thats why I am trying to get informed how to use the thing lol! I've been just doing nearest neighbor and BFI for the most part! Would like more info on scanlines and masks!
@@WllKiedSnake I like a sharper image.... Coming from the Mclassic and its just too smooth and messes with the colors! I herd the 4k Gamer Pro is even worse in that regard.
@user-jq9rw9xy8e The Mclassic uses 4x SMAA so it's sharper. Even uses a sharpening filter. The image looks better than it would without it. And if you have a LG G2 and think it's to dark. There is a setting called Game Black Level in the game optimiser settings. Turn that up a bit to improve the black levels. And using the 4k Gamer Pro with the Mclassic is fantastic! For PS2 I set it to medium sharpness and it looks pretty good! With PS3, 360 and Switch have it set to low as those are 720p to 1080p systems. But yeah! I like the Mclassic on it's own even. But with the 4k Gamer Pro upscaling what the Mclassic does to 4k and sharpening the image a little more. They make games look great! Adjust the Game Black Level though a bit though if you can and games will look as they should.
Game pass on pc is broken. So many games I can’t play and I have a 4090. It’s good to hear other people are having problems to I thought I was the only one. I think I’ll cancel my game pass until they fix it.
For Starfield for Series S, If it's at the same FSR 2 percentage as Series S at 1440p, the 720p resolution is likely running at a native resolution of 800x450. That's likely why it looks so... rough. It's about 62.5% of the target resolution.
You seriously have to question Qualcomm's wisdom in launching at these prices. They don't have the cultist following that Apple does to force a migration to ARM but they seem to think they do. Any interest in ARM that I've heard from those interested over the last few years were hopeful of an _affordable_ alternative to the ever increasing prices of laptops. Early reviews and sales numbers are lackluster to be generous, (not allowing reviews pre-launch was a MASSIVE red flag) and when they inevitably have to cut prices to move them it will just appear that they're trying to move damaged goods. The _worst_ thing they could have done was launch at these laughable prices and it's going to massively stunt any penetration into the PC market they were hoping for. It would be like if Intel launched Arc at $500+ for the prestige of owning an Intel GPU. That only works with brainless Apple cultists.
I'd bet a lot of money was spent on R&D of Recall, AI features and the NPU instead of focusing on getting the core features right. It's insane to think that a 3 trillion company doesn't do any market research to find exactly what matters to people.
Is not a gamer centric device, and the $2000 laptop you'll get with a dgpu would be much heavier, louder, and would have a max battery life of 3 to 4 hours. This thing can do 22.
I gave up on PC Game Pass a while ago. The fact that the Microsoft releases often don't have feature parity is a big downside for me. The Microsoft Store versions of games don't even support tools like Reshade without tedious workarounds.
And it has ALWAYS been a mistake to buy a non-x86 based PC. We went through this with MIPS, DEC Alpha, and PowerPC in the mid-90s. An ARM-based Windows machine doesn't excite me at ANY price. It will ALWAYS have compatibility problems. Frankly I'm shocked that you consider this ARM-based Surface a "PC" and that you expect it to be compatible from day one with x86 software. Clearly you guys have been stuck for so long in console-land that you have no idea what PCs really are.
Kind of arrogant on who would own a Series S and be interested in performance; not everyone has the funds to spend on every console and still would enjoy a good experience
Unpopular opinion of cutscenes in games: There are WAY too many. You cant keep up any kind of tension or story arc like in a 2hr movie. Make less cutscenes in general and then maybe add a handful of prerendered cutscenes that are stunning. Like with old FF Games. Way fewer cutscenses.. less dialog.. but good ones to progress the story.
@@Egurius3 what i meant was "they" cant keep up story arcs, e.g the developers. OF course well written tv shows can but you need time good actors, setting, backstory etc.. its a lot of things .. i would argue that in games: not so much writing that comes to gether in said way, in my opinion only GodOfWar had some great writing that makes sense even across two games
We've been saying that for almost 10 years. I really hope this is true. AMD has done a good job with power efficiency though. Intel not so much. Neither can still close the gap with ARM.
@@mechanicalmonk2020 What's the efficiency worth when half the programs you use don't work or games you wanna play don't even start. And if they do work they perform poorly. And I have my doubts about all these efficiency claims too, because people have tested it with very odd setups like 150 nits of brightness, local video playback instead of streaming, no bluetooth or wifi usage. I don't use my laptop like that.
These issues with Game Pass builds are just one more reason why MS will struggle to build interest for the service on PC. Poor integration with controller mapping via SteamInput (ought to be as simple as 'add non-Steam game') is already enough of a roadblock here for me personally
They have buddies there that they try to keep onside by not being too honest. Go back and read Rich’s ridiculous coverage of the Xbox One before launch where he regurgitated Microsoft’s talking points about “balance”.
Suprised how DF is quite clueless on the nature of these qualcomm chips, hopefully you'll learn more in your deep dive, but lots of other tech oriented channel are way ahead of you in knowledge.
*"Microsoft Game Pass..."* On PC, it's NOT just the bugs... they still, STILL don't have a simple solution to BACKUP your games. Got 500GB in games you don't play, but want to just BACKUP those games to a USB drive to free up space? Nope. UNINSTALL them all or buy another drive... and I think the three FOLDERS Windows installs (i.e. "WindowsApps") show up on every drive that has a game on it. And you can NOT delete them AFAIK unless you go through complicated hoops. Really, Microsoft? Valve had this all figured out many YEARS ago. (although Gabe Newell made BILLIONS of dollars by offering things that Microsoft first screwed up, so he's probably happy for you to KEEP screwing up... next PROJECT for Valve... the true REPLACEMENT Linux machine that "just works" for transferring over all your Microsoft stuff? I can dream... seriously, maybe a CUSTOM computer (for driver support) from Valve that's a COLLABORATION with the Linux community. Basically an extension of the Steam Deck for desktop that ALSO focuses on the DESKTOP UI and transferring over other applications from Windows. Good idea? Further Proton/Wine work. Agree somewhat on file delivery, UI etc to get the Linux community to rally around standards for ease of Windows-> Linux migration.) (Custom VALVE PC... my stupid idea for a custom "reference" PC would be a desktop based on the STEAM DECK 2 hardware. Possibly unified memory if it actually made sense (64GB?). Have a high-end and inexpensive model. The inexpensive model would simply be the Steam Deck 2 hardware without screen/battery etc, that runs faster due to better cooling. Might make for an awesome, entry-level Linux machine for coding, or grandma or whatever.)
Qualcomm and Microsoft’s overpromising on ARM devices will come back to bite them once more of these devices end up in users’ hands - already we know Fortnite isn’t compatible and Minecraft doesn’t seem to be flawless either…
The xbox app on PC is awful. Every time I try to launch a game, im told that the app needs to be updated. I click "update now" and am taken to a windows update app, where I have to search (manually) through a list of optional updates for the xbox app and its dependencies. Often the download doesn't start for an indeterminate amount of time, but when it does eventually finish, I restart the xbox app and am inevitably told again that I need to update. Usually restarting the PC fixes the problem, and im finally able to play the game, but at this point were talking about at least 15-30 minutes of time spent on something that, in any normal app, would be a single click.
You would completely mitigate that issue if you had automatic Windows updates. I've never had to get a Windows update to update Game Pass on PC. While it is your choice not to enable automatic updates, those same updates affect how PC Game Pass functions as it's classed as part of Windows now.
I have a surface book 2, I know it’s not a benchmark laptop even at the time, but jfc worst mistake of my career. Bought it for art first, thing had so many auto windows updates that photoshop barely ran. Pen also can’t draw diagonal lines without wobbling, it’s bad.
windows NT 4.0 for dec Alpha was microcrap's first attempt and that went poorly. So that means we are on try number four and they failed. They failed because they didn't want to put the work in. Snapdragon uses Adreno graphics and it has a history of being MEH. Sounds like some people haven't done their homework and had the wrong expectations.
Rich!? 2000 pounds!??! That’s way too heavy for a laptop!!?? You are buff and mighty to be lugging that bad boy around!! Best of luck with the RMA return
6:39 i find this sentiment extremely grating. not everyone who cares about performance has the budget to purchase a higher end system. i have a Series S as my main system because i simply can't afford a Series X, PS5, or even a midrange PC you gotta keep in mind some people aren't financially privileged. and living paycheck to paycheck isn't mutually exclusive with wanting good performance in games
I gotta call bullshit on that. It's not that expensive to build a PC that is much more powerful than a Series S. My friend just bought an rtx 4060 laptop which easily crushes a Series S for $800, and he could have built a desktop from used parts for less than that. PC hardware is not as expensive as the whiners on social media love to cry about, right now is probably the best time to build for cheap as ever. Beating an AMD APU from 2019 is not that hard lol. It's just an objective fact that the Series S performance profile is what it is. The average user is used to it by now.
@@Wobbothe3rd idk what that example is supposed to prove, your friend's $800 laptop costs over two and a half times more than a Series S. this is exactly the kind of annoying response i was expecting to get and yeah it's a budget system, i'm aware of that, everyone is aware of that. i'm just saying that it's irritating to insinuate that people who use cheaper systems are doing so bc they just don't care about performance
This is why the people who say they want to pay for ROMs and wish Nintendo etc. would just sell emulation are out of their fucking minds. Every single last one of the official implementations sucks ass and is flat out AWFUL compared to Retroarch or Duckstation etc. which also come with retroachievements, shaders, borders, geometry correction, 8x resolution etc. they ALL SUCK and are basically in the Snes9x era of 20 years ago emulation and will NEVER pay staff what it takes to bring it even remotely close to open source emulation. What a joke.
As much as the Microsoft and xbox stores are fraught with a plethora of problems to the point I never use it now, the game pass specific problem on PC is you are renting the application where on Steam you purchase it, so Microsoft have to have measures in place to stop you just copying the game directory away and keeping it after your sub expires or they remove the game from the service. Exactly what they do in the background I've no idea but it surely involves DRM and security settings (like the restriced app directory). Sadly they also do this when you buy games via thier store which kills the store dead for me and makes modding a headache. Microsoft really doesn't care about any of this as it never improves, and should never have released miming a mobile store to begin with. Steam isn't perfect at all but the basic aspect of accessing and managing your game installs (even moving the directory) and having a library interface with options for lists or thumbnails is easy with little friction.
Yup, this is a central issue. Not to excuse them of the other issues (no feedback on whether a click registered, poor performance, etc) but the whole concept of gamepass requires safeguards against what you described that make it almost impossible to be a storefront as seamless and convenient as Steam. Another annoying thing with gamepass is you must have an internet connection to access it, whereas steam has no such requirement (unless the game itself has a launcher that includes DRM like take twos launcher for Red Dead 2 and GTA 5.
You ask who is on a Series S that cares about performance enough to turn off achievements. I ask you, who cares about achievments so much that they would have less performance just for a digital tickbox? 😂
Few Nintendo IPs that could surprise for Switch2: FZero , Kid Icarus (3ds iteration was fantastic), Star Fox.... They could also bring new IPs and of course make use of their 3rd party studios to maybe make some smalloer or medium sized games that feel unique and fresh in relations to the Switch 2 hardware. You know.. doing the opposite of microsoft: utilizing maybe their smaller studios to create smaller games to have something directly ready for launch and sell their hardware.. not close them down.
It just infuriating to be excited for a game in pc game pass and only to find out it is an inferior version. Then all the excitement goes away and I literally drop the game, like i did the Still Wakes Deep game.
6:30 John, many people don't have the cash to buy a PS5 and/or Series X. Even if you're on a Series S, you could want more performance and/or options. Please don't live in a bubble, not everyone is rich.
Yeah the whole speaking for gamers in general thing is silly. Most gamers on Xbox are on series S by a long shot. Are they not "enthusiasts"? What does that even mean? I also don't understand it because dude is always praising the switch, I like the switch, but performant it is not. Dude plays on retro consoles that run and look worse objectively, but because series s is a current gen MS console it's just not good enough? The Series S has made gaming accessible this generation, and industry types always laud accessibility features in games. But the most important kind of accessibility is the ability to play the game in the first place. Big fan of John and DFs work but I'd be willing to bet most Xbox players who watch DF are on the Series S and not X. I'm sure they're plenty enthused when they play games on the Series S.
53:10 linux has no issues as such, either it works out of the box or doesn't because something is missing (very rarely) on amd gpus you even get extra perf, sad to hear such a poor 2010's era comparison in 2024
DF gents hoping that Microsoft app store (or the so called _XBox_ app) to work without giving major headaches Me: "Is this your first time dealing with Microsoft Windows? you know that hope may be the last one to die, but it still dies, right?!"
I was hopeful that MS would fix that, too... 7 years ago, now I'm just skipping Xbox games even if they're on Steam because the majority just don't work well anyway.
The Nintendo pricing thing is the reason I've spent a paltry $120 on first party Nintendo games in 8 years. I've spent __way__ more on Steam. Only 2 Nintendo games were worth their full price to. The rest aren't and since they never go on sale I never buy them. Nintendo's loss.
Literally, everything goes on sale... except Nintendo and Apple products, which aren't even worth their original asking price. It's not even in the top 100 biggest reasons - slightly hyperbolic - I moved on from Nintendo, but it didn't help matters.
Re: News 04: I had similar trouble when playing the Game Pass version of Chivalry 2 on PC. Not only did the game not support upscalers, it didn't even have in-game text chat (in a PC multi-player game!) like the Steam version. It's like they ported the Xbox version to PC, which seems so backwards when there's already a perfectly fine PC version. I ended up just getting the game on Steam and haven't touched Game Pass since. No wonder why subscribers aren't growing. They need to fix basic, basic issues first; it's not just about the content library. Microsoft is such a mess and I don't know how when they've got so many resources to hand.
I am here to just say: fuck Micro$oft and fuck Windows. I am kind of dissapointed that the DF crew still didin't do proper tech review on state of Linux gaming and are kind of condescending on that topic, which is somehow disrespecting to the FOSS community. Many of you may laught at that, few will think about it 4real, but imho Linux is the feature of gaming, and from all companies Valve is kind of showing the way. Not to mention that a lot of games running a lot better under wine than on that excuse of OS's called Windows. Linux nowadays is a waaay better OS even for people who're fearing the Terminal 😂
I gonna be honest, I want ARM windows laptops to fail hard. x86 Windows greatest strength has been native/semi native compatibility all the back to Windows 3.1. Apple has always just thrown away compatibility for short term gain to sell its machines. I still remember when they killed all 32bit apps on iOS and their customers didn’t really care. I just hope intel’s low power island bridges the efficiency gap in mobile x86 devices and there aren’t enough ARM laptops to justify good support from developers. I don’t want a future where finicky translation layers (which aren’t perfect) becomes the norm on windows as well.
I cared. I still miss slingshot racing. Additionally, a weather guessing game I made will also be lost forever. The customer did not allocate any budget to port it.
19:22 gotta love when they play dumb about these matters. They know there's legal slash technical standards that the quote un-quote retro hardware community don't have to deal with. But sure count that against them. I'm sure Nintendo and MS are held to the same standards?
Idk IF this generation will last a decade but I think it probably SHOULD. We're not even close to extracting the most that can be from these consoles. Just look at the beginning of the PS4 gen and the end. That is the actual generational difference. IPC and die shrinks just aren't as significant as they used to be.
Think about BF4 vs BF1 on both those consoles. BF1 was a generational leap in fidelity, and it only came out 3 years after BF4. Same consoles, much different looking games.
The fact that Forza Horizon 5 doesn't work on the "Copilot Laptop" just kills me and is part of why I'm so cynical when it comes to Microsoft. This is one of your Flagship first Party titles. Its developed by a Microsoft Game Studio, published by Microsoft, running on Microsoft Windows with Microsoft Surface Hardware, yet it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure nobody at this company ever talks with anyone outside of their division. I really think the Windows Codebase is just such a shitshow and Microsoft can't implement anything Major which requires some low level stuff properly.
It's admittedly not a good look, but who else has to manage and support something like windows? I'm amazed it works as well as it does most of the time.
They're a trillion dollar enterprise. Their shit should work full stop. No "oh windows is complicated". It very well is complicated but they've got all the resources on planet Earth to get it figured out.
I’m not sure these are supposed to have a gaming focus-the main marketing I’ve seen is for lower noise and higher battery life (which they are, but it’s not as much of a leap as the M1 was, in large part because x86 has also improved since late 2020, when the M1 launched). The x86 translation performance is impressive even with game, and the trouble here besides for DRM is that the GPU in these SoCs is still kind of weak. If they improve on that front, it gets much more interesting That said even if they weren’t thinking about gaming to start with, it would be very silly for them to continue not prioritizing it-not while Apple is making a big and kind of technically impressive gaming push
you deserve it if youre using a surface for gaming, they absolutely suck at it. they're hipster tablets with slightly stronger hardware, honestly instead get an ipad with a keyboard for the same price. MS keeps pulling this shit people keep buying it.
@@GalmLikePalm it's not just complicated. It literally supports more hardware configurations than can be counted and is used to run basically the entire world. If they waited to launch windows on arm until every windows game ever functioned properly on snapdragon it would probably never come out. I'm sure they'll fix Forza horizon 5.
its the third Windows for Arm attempt they had the Surface RT which had Windows 8 for Arm which sucked and Microsoft blocked other apps for so its practically useless now after they closed the Windows Store for Windows 8 then they had another one that ran on Windows 10 for arm and this is the third one which is Windows 11 for Arm.
The official classic PlayStation emulation seems so throwaway that it has the vibe of Jim Ryan’s “they looked ancient, why would anyone play this?” quote. Either commit to an initiative of strong emulation development and game support or just don’t do it. Edit: Assuming that Implicit Conversions were the contract developers behind the emulation efforts, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are limited in aspects like time and budget. Hopefully they can take feedback and get help from Sony to improve on what’s possible.
They definitely need to get the glitches ironed out. That said, this is better than PS Now or locking some of the newly released games, like Resident Evil 1, behind the Premium subscription paywall. I’m all for letting people buy PS2 games again, especially ones where the original copies are ridiculously expensive.
To be fair to Jim Ryan, he was talking about Gran Turismo specifically which, yeah, for a genre based around fidelity and realism and as a fan of that genre I kind of have to agree. That quote always gets misrepresented as though he was talking about old games in general.
At the PPI we're looking at, 720p seems like a better play for the Switch successor. This would also allow for better battery life, which is a more notable value to a player taking full advantage of the portable mode.
How is the laptop 2k£ when it's worse than a 650€ gaming laptop with like 3050m? You don't need internal tools. You should be able to use GPA or WGP to capture some traces for profiling. Or even grab frames in RenderDoc and look at pixels (not so much performance). But it might show redundant stuff.
WindowsCE runs on ARM, MIPS, x86, PowerPC and basically everything. NT also has a history of non x86 versions like MIPS, PowerPC and especially Alpha. This is not really something new for Microsoft.
All this would have been taken care of if people gave it the support it need for developers when windows first introduced windows on arm. The problem is people are afraid of change and have now hold Microsoft back. Smh
So if you play PAL you get a higher resolution but 50hz in a 60hz container which feels like judder and some ghosting in my experience. Or NTSC at a lower res and 60hz. Ghost Hunter for it's NTSC release they got a extra 6 months to improve the game so it's refined over the PAL version. They improved like 1500 things. So if you play a version of it. Play the NTSC version.
@@akshithnair578 Think about PAL and NTSC as the television broadcast standards that apply to the specific regions, rather than as designators for the regions themselves. The PAL television standard has 625 lines of vertical resolution at 50 Hz (50 interlaced fields per second), whereas NTSC has 525 lines and 60 Hz. Consoles and games had to work with that difference, but the PAL version of games were often simplistic ports of the NTSC version rather than working through all the design decisions that would be different if PAL was the original target. So you had games that actually ran slower on PAL (same animation frames used, but output at a lower rate), did not use the full vertical resolution but had black bars instead, etc. The judder caused by running 50 Hz output in a 60 Hz container is a more modern issue, probably caused by not trusting the display/console to support 50 Hz output robustly.
The Steam Linux layer is a different animal (from ARM). The underlying hardware in gaming PCs is still correct for the original game code--X86 CPU and Nvidia or AMD GPU. Not saying it's trivial by any means, but it's certainly far closer to the native environment for those games than Windows running on ARM hardware.
Then take a look at what Apple has to contend with on the Mac with their GPTK tool: x86->ARM, DirectX->Metal, win64->macOS. The fact that games running through so many translation layers on an M3 device can still outperform Qualcomm's offerings, even though Windows is THE OS for games is inexcusable.
When you do any gaming tests like at 32:03. Show the real CPU speed. At least Apple's ARM has a bad habit of clocking down to maybe 50% of the advertised clock speeds. (and that goes for X86 laptops too. On battery, most X86 laptops are locked under 2ghz and the GPU at 700mhz, and even with that you are lucky to get 1 hour of battery life. Laptop batteries are maxed out at 99.99 watt hours. Just do the math with how much X86 CPU draws and add an Nvidia laptop card to it.
Windows on ARM gaming. Both Windows on ARM and Apple use emulation to run X86. The problem is that AVX is still under patent so it is not emulated today. Any games that use AVX or have stupid DRM (that can't be emulated) won't work on Windows on ARM or MacOS with Whiskey. Now you know why Intel loves to add more instructions on the CPU = get 20 years patent.
I platinumed Sly on PS5. It plays very well but it's blurry. Possibly a step down from the PS3 collection in terms of image quality which is hilarious.
Other than emulation bugs, it should be more faithful than those HD ports, which alongside the Jak and Ratchet HD game collections, introduced a lot of visual bugs and other oddities.
Yea its a downgrade, just played it today with my sister on ps5 and we had shared ps2/3 with those games Still we had fun and even tried some speedrunning and the ps5 version is around 40s slower than bcps3 with ps2 version!
PlayStation's backward compatibility program is so weak that it has the second largest number of enhanced legacy games next to Nintendo's Virtual Console for Switch... Uh, wait, that seems wrong. Nintendo's Virtual Console has about 300 games across 8 platforms globally, according to Wikipedia. Almost all of them are upscaled, upresed, and offer rewind. PS5 BC has 76 PS5 only games in North America, according to PlayStation Store, and all of them are upressed and offer rewind with the majority offering trophies, too. XSS-X has only 39 enhanced OX & X360 games, according to Xbox backward compatibility support. The best BC Xbox has is with XO, with over 600 supported games having enhancements. Auto HDR only applies 236 XO games but 0 OX & X360 games. 4K is the most supported XO game enhancement with 605 titles supporting it along with 4 X360 titles. Only 69 XO titles support framerate boost on XSX, while only 36 OX & X360 titles support this. 4 X360 titles support 4K. Fable 3 supports 4K & framerate boost, meaning only 39 titles are enhanced across OX & X360. No OX games have online or achievements. You may need the disc to play certain BC titles, which means you can't play some BC games using any all digital Xbox consoles.
I'm so confused. Why on Earth would you pay $2,000 for a laptop with this poor performance? I understand it's not focused on gaming, but then where do all those dollars go if not towards that?
I still stand by the belief that if Game Pass was fully available through Steam, using Steam versions of games, even if Valve insisted on taking a cut...it'd still be worth it. In the past few years, just me alone, I've had at least 30 odd people tell me they'd buy Game Pass on PC, but they don't want another launcher, another app, another hoop to jump through. They'd rather buy the games on Steam at full price than use Game Pass because it's just not that great on PC. On Xbox though, Game Pass is god-tier in all honesty.
You can play literally any PS2 game on PC with an emulator, breaking the disgusting 30fps caps and pushing most to 4K, which would be 1440p probably to ensure stability on the PS5. But instead, they made their own emulator...and made it output at a visual equivalent of 144p? Sony...bruh.
I usually prefer MegaDrive and it’s sound chip, but Bubsy sounds so much better on SNES that I prefer the SNES version over the MD one. Even if it’s lower res. (And yes, I love the game and even own a pc big box release of it lol)
I think new 3D Mario (Odyssey 2?) will be a launch title, but I am sure it will also be a cross-gen. Nintendo will not leave 140M player base without a chance to give them $70 for a new Mario.
"Dark Souls 3 is not exactly a highly challenging game"
- Richard Leadbetter, Pro Gamer
Richard "cooler than ice" Leadbetter
woah! I'm sure the Elden Ring DLC is super-easy as well!
Obviously he meant for the hardware to run, but I had a good laugh too.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
DF no hit run soon maybe
44:34 Hey, Nightdive Kex engine developer Edward here;
I'm not sure what's going on with Still Wakes The Deep and the engine they have, but the GDK on Windows *doesn't* have anything different that requires an entirely different code path. It is unknown why these developers somehow have special requirements, but objectively none exist. Especially in Kex, winstore GDK builds are identical compile targets to Steam and GOG on a system level. You get the same graphics APIs and everything, it even still runs on top of SDL2.
There's one exception in that we disable exclusive full-screen due to background pop-ups dialogs (and I'm not entirely sure if that's even still relevant, we should go back and retest that, and other platforms have their own issues with exclusive fullscreen as well) but that has no logical effect on things like DLSS. Their reasoning doesn't really make any sense from my perspective.
Edit: Unless the real problem with winstore GDK is actually Epic themselves.
50:41 the frustration of not knowing if a button registers after clicking it was hilarious. The anger of such a simple process being broken is just gold.
theres a lot of problems like that with finished products from microsoft, im just baffled why DF is still in so positively covering MS's pre release, marketing content, where in the end things are often just terrible
This is my most hated GUI element. A button needs to do something when I press it. Either do the thing, or give me a audible tone that says you can't do that, and the type of tone should be why; it's on CD, you have no target, it's been suppressed by a debuff... etc.
That has been my experience when having to open the Xbox app on PC. My only work around, is that I have the game pinned to my taskbar, which is the only way I KNOW my click is being registered and the app automatically opens and then launches the game.
Its so pathetic. This is Games for Windows Live-level of crap.
@@enjoylife6374 I don't know where you got that. They seem to pretty fairly cover everything.
When Xbox Series X runs PS2 games better than PS5, that's comedy in itself.
Just as PS5 runs MS games and many current gen games better than the Series X. Comedy in itself. Both systems could do better.
@@BrianM78 You let that one swoosh right over your head. You can use retroarch on XSX and XSS and play PS2 games at higher framerate, resolution, and quality than the PS5 releases.
You don't have to cope so hard to defend Sony.
@@BrianM78that's because the studios specifically ported the games for the PS5. It's funny in some ways, especially with eg Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment and how those ports worked, but it's not even remotely equivalent to the Series S being able to play consoles' worth of PlayStation games that the flagship PlayStation console can't play.
@@XhoowieX That's because the PS2 emulator on the PS4 is objectively dogshit, there's no ifs and buts about it. They do the bare minimum.
@@nintendo1889xThey should have improved it massively by now, as it is, it's like running a ps2 emulator on a mid to low range android phone, which is clearly illogical considering ps5's hardware
12:30 Another thing to mention with these recent PSP and PS2 emulated releases, if you change the system language to Japanese or Korean you also get the JP and KR releases when they're available
Just changing the language works? Thought you would have to go into a JP account no?
@@DuckAlertBeats nope, all regions are included in the package, at least for the most recent classic releases
@@Foas Cheers for the heads up on that
Also, if you paid for any of these Classics digital releases on PSN back in the PS3 era, you get them at no extra charge with enhancements on PS4 and PS5.
PS really should mention that. It would be sad if they don't because they don't plan on always honoring the free upgrade.
If your son or daughter is going away to collage make sure you buy them a Qualcomm powered PC. The Surface looks all shiny and cool, so they'll be really happy with it, but that night when they decide they're going to waste time playing videogames on their fancy new computer, they'll come to find studying is the better option :^)
Might as well buy them a mac if you don't want them playing games.
That's basically a glorified Chromebook, which is what they're already used to (and the Chromebook can also run Steam, IIRC)
@@jorge69696 But then you'd have to spend twice as much. 😉
@@equinoxe3d CPU performance is way higher than any chromebook
@@mtrxishere3772 Hence the "glorified" ;) Though there were some high end Chromebook models (like Pixelbook), I wouldn't be really surprised to see one pop up with a Snapdragon X inside
10:43 Lego Star Wars on PS5 is the PSP version, not PS2.
Are you Adam Buxton preparing a new Bug show?
The Sony emulation for PS1/2 is baffling for some of their decisions. John is right here. The only thing I can think of is that Sony may have some internal play data from the PS+ service that while people online say they want these classics on PS+, in reality, they aren't played enough or by enough subscribers to make the investment into better emulators.
100% if people are serious about playing them. Probably have og hardware or emulating on pc
It's odd as Ghost Hunter and Clone Wars do uprender. But Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't.
Idk, I think they phoned it in because none of these people are enthusiasts, and ultimately, they view this as a minor value-add rather than a main selling point. So, getting it ‘right’ just isn’t a priority, or else they don’t even know what getting it right entails when it comes to getting these games looking their best on modern displays.
That said, Nintendo, for whom their back catalog is part of their sales pitch/used as an upsell, continues to use a relatively poor emulator for their N64 titles, even after doing relatively good work on the Wii/WiiU VCs. Kind of sad that all of these manufacturers are having their lunch eaten by enthusiasts
It definitely comes down to cost and QA, probably consistency of experience as well. It's known that some EMU enhancements can break games. That might be acceptable to the PC user who's used to tweaking things, but for a console that's unacceptable.
Take it a step further, why don't these companies add a reshade like feature to add RT and AO to older games? The more new features that are added to older games, the more testing needed. And if these higher resolutions and new features only work on some old games but break others, that really requires full play throughs of these games to ensure there's no new game breaking bugs.
To be fair though, Xbox did do a lot of that leg work for back compat themselves and got enhancements in a fair amount of games. Has MS made that money back though? Hard to say, they certainly earned good will with some gamers but has it actually sold them more consoles?
@saturnFIV3 This is why I think Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't uprender. How much time they had with these games. They usually work on three games a month. This month they had six to work on and Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends suffered because of that. Clone Wars has uprendering working correctly and so does Ghost Hunter. So I think it's down to time. Every single PS Classic I've played has uprendering working as intended. Except for Tomb Raider Legends and Sly Racoon. So it's down down to they didn't have enough time to work on certain games.
I think John hasn't checked the PS1, PSP emulated games in a while. PAL/NTSC have been available for a long time and there are a lot of other options they've been added.
Not everything has been good, there's a weird default to 4:3 for 16:10 bug, but there have been some good options like analog dead zone, button mapping etc. They've even patched in the PS3 content for PSP Resistance.
Yeah! I've noticed that with recent games. I have to switch to 4:3 16:9. It's like the person doing the emulator likes 4:3 16:10 or something. And Resistance Retribution got it's Infected Mode patched in.
1:14 Alex genuinely made me laugh when he quickly just blurted out "King!" Well done mate :)
Microsoft did so much better a job of backwards compatibility/legacy hardware. Wasn't perfect by any means but they at least guaranteed that OG Xbox games would be upres and work well. It's a huge huge shame they stopped the BC effort. So many great games that could be brought forward still
I think the most impressive thing is their 360 emulation. It's on another level.
Yeah it's called a PC, which is why the PC platform will always have the biggest and best software library and back catalogue ever. If people and stupid execs haven't realised by now hardware lives and dies by its software. Make emulation a priority and you'll be financially rewarded.
Xbox back compat is a triumph that took thousands of hours of Sony fan comments to suppress.
I'm glad that Microsoft has prioritized so much effort with back compat. I'm quite sure that the work load was strenuous. Sony could do way more with back compat if they wanted to, but it's obvious their priorities are set on the newer stuff. It would be a good thing if Sony did more, but I kind of don't blame them for the less effort given to the past.
you know i think ps5 and series x might be the last console generation if china manages to attack taiwan
I saw a former Nintendo NST employee (he's now working for another company) talk about how, when he worked at Nintendo, they had a motto: If you are going to make a game that you expect to sell half a million units, budget it so it cost the equivalent of those sales.
Nintendo's budget control is crazy - though it helps not being stationed in the US, where each and every role costs a buttload of money (Japan is much cheaper in comparison, due to the vastly lower cost of living).
Cost of living in Japanese cities is higher than in (most) American cities, though?
@@azazelleblack the average wages for Japan is much lower. Housing prices are much lower. There's way less cost for healthcare.
The US gets a stupid high labour cost, especially on the coasts. The other day I thought 60K a year, and an American told me "that's too low". In much of Europe, 60K is a really nice wage, and in Japan as well.
@@cyberrb25 In most of the US, 60K is a really nice wage. I live comfortably in a rural part of the US on less than half of that. The problem with looking at these statistics for the US is that we have places like Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the nicer parts of NYC where the income is so high (and thus property/housing prices) that it completely blows out the scales. In MOST of the US housing is relatively cheap. What I said to begin with was that housing in Japanese *cities*, particularly in Tokyo, is very expensive. Yes, outside the cities Japan is cheap, but that's true of almost anywhere.
And with that idea, it's better to predict sales on the lower end, so that you spend less on budget.
That way you get a bigger profit when sales exceed your expectations.
tbh limitations breed innovation , no budget means no restraints and there are many examples when that comes out badly.
Nintendo is for true gamers to have fun and simply enjoy gaming .....other consoles ps5 and xbox are for 60fps afficionados who keep bitching about fps, raytracing etc but forget to enjoy playing games !
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh - 100 pecent right ps5 and xbox gamers always bitching about fps etc..not true gamers just spoiled brats
The real reason why most games don’t even launch on Windows on Arm is because anti-cheat kernel modules are not yet ported to Arm. Microsoft just announced that 3 of those including BattlEye are coming soon.
Valve dealt with the same issues in the early days of Proton, but they eventually got through them.
I was under the impression that these new arm surfaces were going to be trash for gaming anyways. So many compatibility issues to jump through.
Otherwise, those new laptops are great for everything non gaming lol.
even still, on the games that work you're getting worse than steam deck performance for 2000 pounds, 2000, you can buy a regular x86 laptop with a 4070 and a bigger, better ultra high refresh rate screen for less than that, even once the compatibility issues are solved the hardware is just useless, pointless if you wanna game
I was always under the impression this was geared towards students or people that work in the field.
@@elizabethagudelo7179 Its advantage over x86 is that it gets closer to Apple levels of efficiency, at least in non-game workloads. If you don't need that, or can wait for the next round of x86 coming within a year, it's pointless.
Eventually yeah, but still having issues on Valve side sadly. So its an never ending struggle with anti-cheats. So Microsoft is going to lewrn that the hard way too.
ah Elden Ring Switch 2 port day 1.
Returns of switch 2 for repairs will be at the all time high
I think it's great for S owners to have options, not everybody has disposable income to spend on more powerful systems John 😊
Give or take a few days, Series X only cost around $.39 a day to own if you bought it at launch.
When I bought mine they required all the money at one time though. @@shifu9276
@@shifu9276Huh?
@shifu9276 who budgets like that?
Work harder $500 is a little extra overtime.
DUCKSTATION, PPSSPP, PCSX2 and RPCS3 are the best emulators. Sony still can't make an better PS2 and PS3 emulator for the PS5 😅.
The people that actually want to play those titles will emulate on PC or play on og hardware. Sony knows this and makes the games playable but nothing spectacular on ps4/ps5
@Gravy1255 You are right. I don't mind some of my ps2 and ps3 disc working on the PS5 with emulation. Like how Xbox did with their backward compatible emulator on series X, I have some Xbox and 360 physical games, and they run great on series x.
Mednafen/Beetle > Duckstation
I had Bubsy 1 back in the day. I agree with Rich, it was poor. The kind game that even as a bored kid with nothing better to do, I still wouldn't play it.
6:45
Does John not realise that poor people (and young people) play games and care about performance? Kind of baffling to hear that comment in the current economic climate
none of them had to struggle financially, well idk about Rich, they're immigrants from the US in Germany who have lived there for over a decade. I'm goin by Alex's german accent since he sounds exactly like someone who took german in america, and the german student I was friends with sounded way different......Moving to a new country isn't cheap, especially moving there and being accepted by a country like germany if you're not like trying to escape your country's government collapsing.
John was going to E3 as a teenager and had every new console on release. They are extremely out of touch in terms of people's idea of cost and worth.
Young enthusiast kids I agree would benefit from this, but if you’re an adult and care about performance in video games but are struggling financially, a Series S is just a poor investment.
You’d be better off just saving for longer and getting a Series X or PS5, especially when cutting out the option for cheaper physical copies if you opt for the S.
Trying to frame his comment as classism really seems out of pocket and uncalled for.
Id you can save. For the S. Why can't you save for a little longer and get the x if you care about performance so much?
@@McCheesy22OK but why not just take it a step further, forget the series X and save for a PC? Yeah you'll always have a better experience if you spend more money... That's how that works.
@@saturnFIV3The gulf in price between a Series S and X is 150 bucks. The gulf in price between a Series X and a good gaming PC is thousand dollars.
But go off I guess
Rich shaking his head as soon as Bubsy is mentioned. He ain't having it. 😂
27:41 - the laughter 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
i know right made me so happy to see alex lose himself in joy lmao
Rich is pretty smooth with those jokes
With how the PS2 Emulation games seem to be so far for PS5, I sincerely hope it does end up getting fixed down the line. But one thing I am hoping for those PS2 Classics is the Original PS2 God of Wars being put onto PS5 because those games need some preservation cause they are awesome.
Have you noticed that Clone Wars and Ghost Hunter uprender but Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't? It's odd!
It strikes me that Microsoft used to have a UI that was ideally suited to handheld devices, why they haven’t resurrected the Metro UI format for gaming scenarios is beyond me. Maybe there’s something I’m not aware of here, but im under the impression it’s that Metro is still around in windows 10 as an option. No clue about 11, I stopped being a home windows user years ago, but they’ve dropped the ball big here.
It was a good phone UI and could be a great handheld UI
Why do you always read out the same people’s questions, doesn’t anyone else write in?
As much as I'm happy to see new PS2 games it's kinda weird that they haven't made that many improvements to the emulator for the PS5, but I wonder if that's due to the rewind function.
It was a surprise to see the rewind function in PS2 games considering that it is something rare in console emulators of this generation (Dreamcast, PS2, Game Cube and Xbox) because it requires a lot of hardware, specifically RAM.
Heck, even Nintendo disabled the rewind function on Nintendo 64 games on the NSO because of that.
Are there any other emulators that offer rewind? So far as I know, only Syrup Engine does this.
A couple words about ARM laptops: I haven't got an X Elite device yet (waiting for 5G versions) but I've got an SQ2 Surface Pro X since 2021. I haven't bought it as a gaming machine and I never expected it to be a gaming machine (same for X Elite), but I found Ori and the Blind Forest to run well enough. The reason I got it was the 4G modem, battery life and overall dimensions (especially weight). All other software I usually use (development tools, browsers, messaging stuff, basic photo editing, virtualization, dockers etc) works flawlessly.
The problem with X Elite and seems to be twofold: GPU seems to be rather disappointing (drivers especially, also both Vulkan and OpenGL are not natively supported), but the other issue is how the emulator works: it's a JIT, it's recompiling as it goes, so basically that means you can expect a CPU equivalent of shader stutter until native ARM games are built, which I think explains the huge spikes in frame time.
what are the chances that game devs build native arm games? the m macbooks have a 2x to 3x faster gpu than the x elite and apple has already sold millions of them.... Apple shipped 22M Macbooks in 2023 alone. Game devs ignored that. You think they'll spend millions to rewrite their game engines to make arm games for pc's that might or might not ever be successful? Unity games, maybe? Unreal, perhaps. Anything else, not gonna happen. And it takes years to write an engine... Games in development for the next 3 to 5 years aren't going to be ARM
@@thisnowthenprob indies, as they could run them on mobile too
@@thisnowthen I looked up a page and it basically just has for UE4 append “ -Architecture=arm64” to make an arm game. There are games that started on mobile and went to PC (farlight 84) and vice versa (pubg) without too many birth throes, I'm sure it mostly comes down to a resource balancing act. The problem is the compatibility with x86 on a Windows which might never be patched.
will you make a "cromulent" and a "sporfoken" t-shirt? I been waiting for those.
"If you were an Activision-Blizzard studio, Alex, which one would you be?"
Alex, with zero hesitation: "King."
Already off to a rip-roaring start this week, gents.
That's where the big money is made 😂 as far as profits.
The bad PS2 and PSP emulation is making me think of the famous Gabe Newell quote. Why would I pay Sony money for bad emulation when good emulation is free? Sony has a worse service than the pirates so guess what path I'd take if I wanted to replay some PS2 or PSP.
(Yes emulators are legal, the ROMs to play on them are not, you know what I meant, go "well ack shully" somewhere else)
I've only seen uprendering issues with Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends. Clone Wars and Ghost Hunter uprender correctly. Daxter was patched the other day. Maybe this frame pacing issue was fixed.
Alex always seems to have problems with things I dont see on gamepass and some games. With game pass you need to make sure the app is updated which is a weakness but sometimes steam will not launch a game on first download and you need to browse to the local files and run it once from there, so steam is not error free depending on the game.
I've never had an issue launching a Steam game. Meanwhile I re-downloaded Forza Horizon 5 the other day and the only way to get it to run was to locate the exe and run as administrator. Just opening via Xbox app the game immediately closes.
Back when Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3 launched I had to completely re-install Windows 10 because of how buggy UWP can be. I would say that Microsoft easily has the worst game platform on PC although it has improved over the years.
@@Phil_529 Lucky you, others have had problems running games on Steam. Atlas refused to run and I had to reinstall it.
Most of the issues Alex brings up about PC Game Pass stem more from his ignorance of how PC Game Pass is tied to the Xbox consoles. PC Game Pass shares the same achievement list and has Xbox cloud saves.
So while yes, you could change the games to the Steam versions, that would break the cloud saves so that when you try to play them on an Xbox console or your phone (using cloud gaming), your save wouldn't be there anymore. You would get a lot of people up in arms if they changed to the Steam versions of PC Games because not only would you lose all of your cloud saves, but you would also lose all of your cross buy titles.
The other issue with switching to the Steam versions is that this is a subscription service, so when someone ends their sub they would still be able to play the game.
I hope a dedicated Retrotink 4k video is in the pipeline! 🤞
That price though!
@@WllKiedSnake Hahaha absolutely punishing! Thats why I am trying to get informed how to use the thing lol! I've been just doing nearest neighbor and BFI for the most part! Would like more info on scanlines and masks!
@user-jq9rw9xy8e I just use a Retrotink 2x Pro, a Mclassic and a 4k Gamer Pro all combined and it does tie job.
@@WllKiedSnake I like a sharper image.... Coming from the Mclassic and its just too smooth and messes with the colors! I herd the 4k Gamer Pro is even worse in that regard.
@user-jq9rw9xy8e The Mclassic uses 4x SMAA so it's sharper. Even uses a sharpening filter. The image looks better than it would without it. And if you have a LG G2 and think it's to dark. There is a setting called Game Black Level in the game optimiser settings. Turn that up a bit to improve the black levels. And using the 4k Gamer Pro with the Mclassic is fantastic! For PS2 I set it to medium sharpness and it looks pretty good! With PS3, 360 and Switch have it set to low as those are 720p to 1080p systems. But yeah! I like the Mclassic on it's own even. But with the 4k Gamer Pro upscaling what the Mclassic does to 4k and sharpening the image a little more. They make games look great! Adjust the Game Black Level though a bit though if you can and games will look as they should.
Game pass on pc is broken. So many games I can’t play and I have a 4090. It’s good to hear other people are having problems to I thought I was the only one. I think I’ll cancel my game pass until they fix it.
For Starfield for Series S, If it's at the same FSR 2 percentage as Series S at 1440p, the 720p resolution is likely running at a native resolution of 800x450. That's likely why it looks so... rough. It's about 62.5% of the target resolution.
£2000? 🤯 Insane pricing for such low performance compared to x86 CPU's with Discrete GPU's at even a third of the price. 😖
You seriously have to question Qualcomm's wisdom in launching at these prices. They don't have the cultist following that Apple does to force a migration to ARM but they seem to think they do.
Any interest in ARM that I've heard from those interested over the last few years were hopeful of an _affordable_ alternative to the ever increasing prices of laptops. Early reviews and sales numbers are lackluster to be generous, (not allowing reviews pre-launch was a MASSIVE red flag) and when they inevitably have to cut prices to move them it will just appear that they're trying to move damaged goods. The _worst_ thing they could have done was launch at these laughable prices and it's going to massively stunt any penetration into the PC market they were hoping for.
It would be like if Intel launched Arc at $500+ for the prestige of owning an Intel GPU. That only works with brainless Apple cultists.
I'd bet a lot of money was spent on R&D of Recall, AI features and the NPU instead of focusing on getting the core features right. It's insane to think that a 3 trillion company doesn't do any market research to find exactly what matters to people.
These are definitely early adopter prices, but as you say, I'm not sure if it will survive out of the early years with the current landscape
Is not a gamer centric device, and the $2000 laptop you'll get with a dgpu would be much heavier, louder, and would have a max battery life of 3 to 4 hours. This thing can do 22.
@@zodwraith5745 Qualcomm didn't set the SL7 price, Microsoft did. You can buy these Snapdragon X laptops for as little as a grand.
I gave up on PC Game Pass a while ago. The fact that the Microsoft releases often don't have feature parity is a big downside for me. The Microsoft Store versions of games don't even support tools like Reshade without tedious workarounds.
And it has ALWAYS been a mistake to buy a non-x86 based PC. We went through this with MIPS, DEC Alpha, and PowerPC in the mid-90s. An ARM-based Windows machine doesn't excite me at ANY price. It will ALWAYS have compatibility problems.
Frankly I'm shocked that you consider this ARM-based Surface a "PC" and that you expect it to be compatible from day one with x86 software. Clearly you guys have been stuck for so long in console-land that you have no idea what PCs really are.
Kind of arrogant on who would own a Series S and be interested in performance; not everyone has the funds to spend on every console and still would enjoy a good experience
The Series S is the worst thing to happen to any console generation in the last 25 years.
Unpopular opinion of cutscenes in games: There are WAY too many. You cant keep up any kind of tension or story arc like in a 2hr movie. Make less cutscenes in general and then maybe add a handful of prerendered cutscenes that are stunning. Like with old FF Games. Way fewer cutscenses.. less dialog.. but good ones to progress the story.
You've never played Yakuza have you
You haven't watched many tv shows have you?
@@Egurius3 what i meant was "they" cant keep up story arcs, e.g the developers. OF course well written tv shows can but you need time good actors, setting, backstory etc.. its a lot of things .. i would argue that in games: not so much writing that comes to gether in said way, in my opinion only GodOfWar had some great writing that makes sense even across two games
@@Gravy1255 I have.. not my cup of tea, but i agree that the story was great.. gripping setting and characters
> You cant keep up any kind of tension or story arc like in a 2hr movie
Marvel has made billions of dollars doing just that with their movie series.
When next gen AMD and Intel laptop CPUs show up they're gonna render Qualcomm utterly obsolete.
We've been saying that for almost 10 years. I really hope this is true.
AMD has done a good job with power efficiency though. Intel not so much. Neither can still close the gap with ARM.
@@mechanicalmonk2020 What's the efficiency worth when half the programs you use don't work or games you wanna play don't even start. And if they do work they perform poorly.
And I have my doubts about all these efficiency claims too, because people have tested it with very odd setups like 150 nits of brightness, local video playback instead of streaming, no bluetooth or wifi usage. I don't use my laptop like that.
These issues with Game Pass builds are just one more reason why MS will struggle to build interest for the service on PC. Poor integration with controller mapping via SteamInput (ought to be as simple as 'add non-Steam game') is already enough of a roadblock here for me personally
My PC runs PS2 games far better than any PS5 ever will. It also runs Sony exclusives these days too. Why would anyone own a console?
I really fail to understand why Digital Foundry members put so much faith in Microsoft and Windows. Really.
They have buddies there that they try to keep onside by not being too honest. Go back and read Rich’s ridiculous coverage of the Xbox One before launch where he regurgitated Microsoft’s talking points about “balance”.
@@Feanaro5503take off your tinfoil hat bud. Ridiculous.
They should be Linux pro's IMO.
Suprised how DF is quite clueless on the nature of these qualcomm chips, hopefully you'll learn more in your deep dive, but lots of other tech oriented channel are way ahead of you in knowledge.
Love your unique style, never change!
*"Microsoft Game Pass..."*
On PC, it's NOT just the bugs... they still, STILL don't have a simple solution to BACKUP your games. Got 500GB in games you don't play, but want to just BACKUP those games to a USB drive to free up space? Nope. UNINSTALL them all or buy another drive... and I think the three FOLDERS Windows installs (i.e. "WindowsApps") show up on every drive that has a game on it. And you can NOT delete them AFAIK unless you go through complicated hoops. Really, Microsoft? Valve had this all figured out many YEARS ago. (although Gabe Newell made BILLIONS of dollars by offering things that Microsoft first screwed up, so he's probably happy for you to KEEP screwing up... next PROJECT for Valve... the true REPLACEMENT Linux machine that "just works" for transferring over all your Microsoft stuff? I can dream... seriously, maybe a CUSTOM computer (for driver support) from Valve that's a COLLABORATION with the Linux community. Basically an extension of the Steam Deck for desktop that ALSO focuses on the DESKTOP UI and transferring over other applications from Windows. Good idea? Further Proton/Wine work. Agree somewhat on file delivery, UI etc to get the Linux community to rally around standards for ease of Windows-> Linux migration.)
(Custom VALVE PC... my stupid idea for a custom "reference" PC would be a desktop based on the STEAM DECK 2 hardware. Possibly unified memory if it actually made sense (64GB?). Have a high-end and inexpensive model. The inexpensive model would simply be the Steam Deck 2 hardware without screen/battery etc, that runs faster due to better cooling. Might make for an awesome, entry-level Linux machine for coding, or grandma or whatever.)
Qualcomm and Microsoft’s overpromising on ARM devices will come back to bite them once more of these devices end up in users’ hands - already we know Fortnite isn’t compatible and Minecraft doesn’t seem to be flawless either…
I think a lot of the software issues will be worked out over time. Eventually native arm executables will be built for major games like Fortnite
WAIT THERE'S AN AI BUTTTONNNNNNN
@@Wobbothe3rd yeah, question is whether they can enable compatibility before it sets back Windows on ARM
The xbox app on PC is awful. Every time I try to launch a game, im told that the app needs to be updated. I click "update now" and am taken to a windows update app, where I have to search (manually) through a list of optional updates for the xbox app and its dependencies. Often the download doesn't start for an indeterminate amount of time, but when it does eventually finish, I restart the xbox app and am inevitably told again that I need to update. Usually restarting the PC fixes the problem, and im finally able to play the game, but at this point were talking about at least 15-30 minutes of time spent on something that, in any normal app, would be a single click.
You would completely mitigate that issue if you had automatic Windows updates. I've never had to get a Windows update to update Game Pass on PC.
While it is your choice not to enable automatic updates, those same updates affect how PC Game Pass functions as it's classed as part of Windows now.
I have a surface book 2, I know it’s not a benchmark laptop even at the time, but jfc worst mistake of my career. Bought it for art first, thing had so many auto windows updates that photoshop barely ran. Pen also can’t draw diagonal lines without wobbling, it’s bad.
windows NT 4.0 for dec Alpha was microcrap's first attempt and that went poorly. So that means we are on try number four and they failed. They failed because they didn't want to put the work in. Snapdragon uses Adreno graphics and it has a history of being MEH. Sounds like some people haven't done their homework and had the wrong expectations.
Rich!? 2000 pounds!??! That’s way too heavy for a laptop!!?? You are buff and mighty to be lugging that bad boy around!! Best of luck with the RMA return
6:39 i find this sentiment extremely grating. not everyone who cares about performance has the budget to purchase a higher end system. i have a Series S as my main system because i simply can't afford a Series X, PS5, or even a midrange PC
you gotta keep in mind some people aren't financially privileged. and living paycheck to paycheck isn't mutually exclusive with wanting good performance in games
I gotta call bullshit on that. It's not that expensive to build a PC that is much more powerful than a Series S. My friend just bought an rtx 4060 laptop which easily crushes a Series S for $800, and he could have built a desktop from used parts for less than that. PC hardware is not as expensive as the whiners on social media love to cry about, right now is probably the best time to build for cheap as ever. Beating an AMD APU from 2019 is not that hard lol.
It's just an objective fact that the Series S performance profile is what it is. The average user is used to it by now.
@@Wobbothe3rd idk what that example is supposed to prove, your friend's $800 laptop costs over two and a half times more than a Series S. this is exactly the kind of annoying response i was expecting to get
and yeah it's a budget system, i'm aware of that, everyone is aware of that. i'm just saying that it's irritating to insinuate that people who use cheaper systems are doing so bc they just don't care about performance
Almost 4x the cost when buying a Series S on Black Friday or some other sale
The Series S is a Potato and should never have existed.
@@Packin-Heat.great thanks for your terrible comment that shouldn’t exist.
Oh wait! now that John points it out i'm fully expecting Nintendo to lend Shinen the F-Zero IP! Starting with a GX remaster? Could you imagine?
This is why the people who say they want to pay for ROMs and wish Nintendo etc. would just sell emulation are out of their fucking minds. Every single last one of the official implementations sucks ass and is flat out AWFUL compared to Retroarch or Duckstation etc. which also come with retroachievements, shaders, borders, geometry correction, 8x resolution etc. they ALL SUCK and are basically in the Snes9x era of 20 years ago emulation and will NEVER pay staff what it takes to bring it even remotely close to open source emulation. What a joke.
In a bizarre twist of fate, running games on linux is better than running games on Windows using ARM. It's an odd situation, to be sure.
As much as the Microsoft and xbox stores are fraught with a plethora of problems to the point I never use it now, the game pass specific problem on PC is you are renting the application where on Steam you purchase it, so Microsoft have to have measures in place to stop you just copying the game directory away and keeping it after your sub expires or they remove the game from the service. Exactly what they do in the background I've no idea but it surely involves DRM and security settings (like the restriced app directory).
Sadly they also do this when you buy games via thier store which kills the store dead for me and makes modding a headache. Microsoft really doesn't care about any of this as it never improves, and should never have released miming a mobile store to begin with.
Steam isn't perfect at all but the basic aspect of accessing and managing your game installs (even moving the directory) and having a library interface with options for lists or thumbnails is easy with little friction.
Yup, this is a central issue. Not to excuse them of the other issues (no feedback on whether a click registered, poor performance, etc) but the whole concept of gamepass requires safeguards against what you described that make it almost impossible to be a storefront as seamless and convenient as Steam. Another annoying thing with gamepass is you must have an internet connection to access it, whereas steam has no such requirement (unless the game itself has a launcher that includes DRM like take twos launcher for Red Dead 2 and GTA 5.
Modding on PC Game Pass games has been possible for years so no idea what you're talking about on that point, but the rest of your comment is correct.
You ask who is on a Series S that cares about performance enough to turn off achievements. I ask you, who cares about achievments so much that they would have less performance just for a digital tickbox? 😂
me. I'm not giving up trophies/achievements
No need to. There is a known workaround where you can use .ini mods and gain achievements (enable, restart, disable, play).
I don’t care about trophies or achievements like, at all.
Few Nintendo IPs that could surprise for Switch2: FZero , Kid Icarus (3ds iteration was fantastic), Star Fox.... They could also bring new IPs and of course make use of their 3rd party studios to maybe make some smalloer or medium sized games that feel unique and fresh in relations to the Switch 2 hardware. You know.. doing the opposite of microsoft: utilizing maybe their smaller studios to create smaller games to have something directly ready for launch and sell their hardware.. not close them down.
GTA5 on Switch 2 isn't such a crazy idea, after all 3DS got an exclusive game made for that platform Chinatown Wars.
It just infuriating to be excited for a game in pc game pass and only to find out it is an inferior version. Then all the excitement goes away and I literally drop the game, like i did the Still Wakes Deep game.
6:30 John, many people don't have the cash to buy a PS5 and/or Series X. Even if you're on a Series S, you could want more performance and/or options. Please don't live in a bubble, not everyone is rich.
Yeah the whole speaking for gamers in general thing is silly. Most gamers on Xbox are on series S by a long shot. Are they not "enthusiasts"? What does that even mean? I also don't understand it because dude is always praising the switch, I like the switch, but performant it is not. Dude plays on retro consoles that run and look worse objectively, but because series s is a current gen MS console it's just not good enough?
The Series S has made gaming accessible this generation, and industry types always laud accessibility features in games. But the most important kind of accessibility is the ability to play the game in the first place.
Big fan of John and DFs work but I'd be willing to bet most Xbox players who watch DF are on the Series S and not X. I'm sure they're plenty enthused when they play games on the Series S.
53:10 linux has no issues as such, either it works out of the box or doesn't because something is missing (very rarely) on amd gpus you even get extra perf, sad to hear such a poor 2010's era comparison in 2024
DF gents hoping that Microsoft app store (or the so called _XBox_ app) to work without giving major headaches
Me: "Is this your first time dealing with Microsoft Windows? you know that hope may be the last one to die, but it still dies, right?!"
I was hopeful that MS would fix that, too...
7 years ago, now I'm just skipping Xbox games even if they're on Steam because the majority just don't work well anyway.
The Nintendo pricing thing is the reason I've spent a paltry $120 on first party Nintendo games in 8 years. I've spent __way__ more on Steam.
Only 2 Nintendo games were worth their full price to. The rest aren't and since they never go on sale I never buy them. Nintendo's loss.
Literally, everything goes on sale... except Nintendo and Apple products, which aren't even worth their original asking price. It's not even in the top 100 biggest reasons - slightly hyperbolic - I moved on from Nintendo, but it didn't help matters.
Re: News 04: I had similar trouble when playing the Game Pass version of Chivalry 2 on PC. Not only did the game not support upscalers, it didn't even have in-game text chat (in a PC multi-player game!) like the Steam version. It's like they ported the Xbox version to PC, which seems so backwards when there's already a perfectly fine PC version. I ended up just getting the game on Steam and haven't touched Game Pass since. No wonder why subscribers aren't growing. They need to fix basic, basic issues first; it's not just about the content library. Microsoft is such a mess and I don't know how when they've got so many resources to hand.
only fun game on switch was Astral Chain.
I'm still having regret buying switch console back in launch.
I expected Switch to be a pass. Astral Chain reminded me of Freedom Wars on PS Vita. Hopefully, that game comes up via BC.
I am here to just say: fuck Micro$oft and fuck Windows. I am kind of dissapointed that the DF crew still didin't do proper tech review on state of Linux gaming and are kind of condescending on that topic, which is somehow disrespecting to the FOSS community. Many of you may laught at that, few will think about it 4real, but imho Linux is the feature of gaming, and from all companies Valve is kind of showing the way.
Not to mention that a lot of games running a lot better under wine than on that excuse of OS's called Windows.
Linux nowadays is a waaay better OS even for people who're fearing the Terminal 😂
I gonna be honest, I want ARM windows laptops to fail hard.
x86 Windows greatest strength has been native/semi native compatibility all the back to Windows 3.1.
Apple has always just thrown away compatibility for short term gain to sell its machines. I still remember when they killed all 32bit apps on iOS and their customers didn’t really care.
I just hope intel’s low power island bridges the efficiency gap in mobile x86 devices and there aren’t enough ARM laptops to justify good support from developers.
I don’t want a future where finicky translation layers (which aren’t perfect) becomes the norm on windows as well.
I cared. I still miss slingshot racing.
Additionally, a weather guessing game I made will also be lost forever. The customer did not allocate any budget to port it.
19:22 gotta love when they play dumb about these matters. They know there's legal slash technical standards that the quote un-quote retro hardware community don't have to deal with. But sure count that against them. I'm sure Nintendo and MS are held to the same standards?
Idk IF this generation will last a decade but I think it probably SHOULD. We're not even close to extracting the most that can be from these consoles. Just look at the beginning of the PS4 gen and the end. That is the actual generational difference. IPC and die shrinks just aren't as significant as they used to be.
Think about BF4 vs BF1 on both those consoles. BF1 was a generational leap in fidelity, and it only came out 3 years after BF4. Same consoles, much different looking games.
1:14:12 "Rich says in-the-here-and-now" drinking game.
No thanks, I don't want to die
Shows you Microsoft and Xbox don't know what they're doing lol
Starfield pushing anything hard is a joke
The fact that Forza Horizon 5 doesn't work on the "Copilot Laptop" just kills me and is part of why I'm so cynical when it comes to Microsoft. This is one of your Flagship first Party titles. Its developed by a Microsoft Game Studio, published by Microsoft, running on Microsoft Windows with Microsoft Surface Hardware, yet it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure nobody at this company ever talks with anyone outside of their division.
I really think the Windows Codebase is just such a shitshow and Microsoft can't implement anything Major which requires some low level stuff properly.
It's admittedly not a good look, but who else has to manage and support something like windows? I'm amazed it works as well as it does most of the time.
They're a trillion dollar enterprise. Their shit should work full stop. No "oh windows is complicated". It very well is complicated but they've got all the resources on planet Earth to get it figured out.
I’m not sure these are supposed to have a gaming focus-the main marketing I’ve seen is for lower noise and higher battery life (which they are, but it’s not as much of a leap as the M1 was, in large part because x86 has also improved since late 2020, when the M1 launched). The x86 translation performance is impressive even with game, and the trouble here besides for DRM is that the GPU in these SoCs is still kind of weak. If they improve on that front, it gets much more interesting
That said even if they weren’t thinking about gaming to start with, it would be very silly for them to continue not prioritizing it-not while Apple is making a big and kind of technically impressive gaming push
you deserve it if youre using a surface for gaming, they absolutely suck at it. they're hipster tablets with slightly stronger hardware, honestly instead get an ipad with a keyboard for the same price. MS keeps pulling this shit people keep buying it.
@@GalmLikePalm it's not just complicated. It literally supports more hardware configurations than can be counted and is used to run basically the entire world. If they waited to launch windows on arm until every windows game ever functioned properly on snapdragon it would probably never come out. I'm sure they'll fix Forza horizon 5.
Not one guess at Mario Kart 9 being a launch title? Really? 😉
The dang windows store fixes don't even work half the time.
its the third Windows for Arm attempt they had the Surface RT which had Windows 8 for Arm which sucked and Microsoft blocked other apps for so its practically useless now after they closed the Windows Store for Windows 8 then they had another one that ran on Windows 10 for arm and this is the third one which is Windows 11 for Arm.
The official classic PlayStation emulation seems so throwaway that it has the vibe of Jim Ryan’s “they looked ancient, why would anyone play this?” quote. Either commit to an initiative of strong emulation development and game support or just don’t do it.
Edit: Assuming that Implicit Conversions were the contract developers behind the emulation efforts, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are limited in aspects like time and budget. Hopefully they can take feedback and get help from Sony to improve on what’s possible.
They definitely need to get the glitches ironed out. That said, this is better than PS Now or locking some of the newly released games, like Resident Evil 1, behind the Premium subscription paywall. I’m all for letting people buy PS2 games again, especially ones where the original copies are ridiculously expensive.
Games look and run great, Sly is now one of the best review games of all time on PlayStation Store.
To be fair to Jim Ryan, he was talking about Gran Turismo specifically which, yeah, for a genre based around fidelity and realism and as a fan of that genre I kind of have to agree. That quote always gets misrepresented as though he was talking about old games in general.
If they can't do at least as good as DuckStation then it's a waste of time
Ghost Hunter and Clone Wars uprender correctly. But Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't.
At the PPI we're looking at, 720p seems like a better play for the Switch successor. This would also allow for better battery life, which is a more notable value to a player taking full advantage of the portable mode.
How is the laptop 2k£ when it's worse than a 650€ gaming laptop with like 3050m?
You don't need internal tools. You should be able to use GPA or WGP to capture some traces for profiling. Or even grab frames in RenderDoc and look at pixels (not so much performance). But it might show redundant stuff.
MS person
- and the reason for returning the laptop is?
Richard
- this cannot run Crisis, period.
WindowsCE runs on ARM, MIPS, x86, PowerPC and basically everything. NT also has a history of non x86 versions like MIPS, PowerPC and especially Alpha. This is not really something new for Microsoft.
They also tried Arm support with Windows RT, but it failed.
Early Windows CE handhelds often ran on Hitachi Super-H as well, and then we had the Dreamcast port.
All this would have been taken care of if people gave it the support it need for developers when windows first introduced windows on arm. The problem is people are afraid of change and have now hold Microsoft back. Smh
In layman's terms NTSC ran faster. PAL had better resolution and picture quality.
So if you play PAL you get a higher resolution but 50hz in a 60hz container which feels like judder and some ghosting in my experience. Or NTSC at a lower res and 60hz. Ghost Hunter for it's NTSC release they got a extra 6 months to improve the game so it's refined over the PAL version. They improved like 1500 things. So if you play a version of it. Play the NTSC version.
Why would there be such a distinction instead of having all regions on the same settings?
@@akshithnair578 Think about PAL and NTSC as the television broadcast standards that apply to the specific regions, rather than as designators for the regions themselves. The PAL television standard has 625 lines of vertical resolution at 50 Hz (50 interlaced fields per second), whereas NTSC has 525 lines and 60 Hz. Consoles and games had to work with that difference, but the PAL version of games were often simplistic ports of the NTSC version rather than working through all the design decisions that would be different if PAL was the original target. So you had games that actually ran slower on PAL (same animation frames used, but output at a lower rate), did not use the full vertical resolution but had black bars instead, etc. The judder caused by running 50 Hz output in a 60 Hz container is a more modern issue, probably caused by not trusting the display/console to support 50 Hz output robustly.
@@gebler I see, thanks for the info!
The Steam Linux layer is a different animal (from ARM). The underlying hardware in gaming PCs is still correct for the original game code--X86 CPU and Nvidia or AMD GPU. Not saying it's trivial by any means, but it's certainly far closer to the native environment for those games than Windows running on ARM hardware.
Then take a look at what Apple has to contend with on the Mac with their GPTK tool: x86->ARM, DirectX->Metal, win64->macOS. The fact that games running through so many translation layers on an M3 device can still outperform Qualcomm's offerings, even though Windows is THE OS for games is inexcusable.
@DanielTiecher Are you saying you can play Windows games on a MacBook? And that they run better than on Microsoft's Qualcomm Surface tablet?
@@cube2foxexactly, these windows arm cpus need game developer support
Richs hate for Bubsy is hilarious
UWP has been broken since it launched with windows 8. Apps and data saved on a encrypted hidden folders also add to the problem.
When you do any gaming tests like at 32:03. Show the real CPU speed. At least Apple's ARM has a bad habit of clocking down to maybe 50% of the advertised clock speeds. (and that goes for X86 laptops too. On battery, most X86 laptops are locked under 2ghz and the GPU at 700mhz, and even with that you are lucky to get 1 hour of battery life. Laptop batteries are maxed out at 99.99 watt hours. Just do the math with how much X86 CPU draws and add an Nvidia laptop card to it.
Windows on ARM gaming. Both Windows on ARM and Apple use emulation to run X86. The problem is that AVX is still under patent so it is not emulated today. Any games that use AVX or have stupid DRM (that can't be emulated) won't work on Windows on ARM or MacOS with Whiskey. Now you know why Intel loves to add more instructions on the CPU = get 20 years patent.
The mention of PS5 Professional: ✅
I platinumed Sly on PS5. It plays very well but it's blurry. Possibly a step down from the PS3 collection in terms of image quality which is hilarious.
Did you check out Clone Wars and Ghost Hunter? They do actually uprender to a higher resolution. But Sly Racoon and Tomb Raider Legends don't.
Other than emulation bugs, it should be more faithful than those HD ports, which alongside the Jak and Ratchet HD game collections, introduced a lot of visual bugs and other oddities.
@@johnconnorpliskin7184 I agree the Ratchet collection was atrocious. But Sly and especially Jak were very good ports as far as I remember.
Yea its a downgrade, just played it today with my sister on ps5 and we had shared ps2/3 with those games Still we had fun and even tried some speedrunning and the ps5 version is around 40s slower than bcps3 with ps2 version!
MS doesn’t make good HW, it never really has.
This is hilariously false.
@@TheBean87 series consoles are a failure and people who bought them are now burned
@@PAIN007NAGATO the failure of Series consoles compared to PS5 is not due to hardware, but exclusively due to lack of software, aka good games.
@@TheBean87 examples? Surface is okay but not great. Lots of better options for less.
Xbox consoles have been great HW for the most part
PlayStation's backward compatibility program is so weak that it has the second largest number of enhanced legacy games next to Nintendo's Virtual Console for Switch... Uh, wait, that seems wrong.
Nintendo's Virtual Console has about 300 games across 8 platforms globally, according to Wikipedia. Almost all of them are upscaled, upresed, and offer rewind.
PS5 BC has 76 PS5 only games in North America, according to PlayStation Store, and all of them are upressed and offer rewind with the majority offering trophies, too.
XSS-X has only 39 enhanced OX & X360 games, according to Xbox backward compatibility support. The best BC Xbox has is with XO, with over 600 supported games having enhancements. Auto HDR only applies 236 XO games but 0 OX & X360 games. 4K is the most supported XO game enhancement with 605 titles supporting it along with 4 X360 titles. Only 69 XO titles support framerate boost on XSX, while only 36 OX & X360 titles support this. 4 X360 titles support 4K. Fable 3 supports 4K & framerate boost, meaning only 39 titles are enhanced across OX & X360. No OX games have online or achievements. You may need the disc to play certain BC titles, which means you can't play some BC games using any all digital Xbox consoles.
the ps2 emulator also has an issue with only being 8 directions on the analog stick instead of 360 degrees. So basically the analog stick is a dpad...
I'm so confused. Why on Earth would you pay $2,000 for a laptop with this poor performance? I understand it's not focused on gaming, but then where do all those dollars go if not towards that?
I still stand by the belief that if Game Pass was fully available through Steam, using Steam versions of games, even if Valve insisted on taking a cut...it'd still be worth it. In the past few years, just me alone, I've had at least 30 odd people tell me they'd buy Game Pass on PC, but they don't want another launcher, another app, another hoop to jump through. They'd rather buy the games on Steam at full price than use Game Pass because it's just not that great on PC. On Xbox though, Game Pass is god-tier in all honesty.
You can play literally any PS2 game on PC with an emulator, breaking the disgusting 30fps caps and pushing most to 4K, which would be 1440p probably to ensure stability on the PS5. But instead, they made their own emulator...and made it output at a visual equivalent of 144p? Sony...bruh.
25:46 "touched upon"? ... more like "touted repeatedly" 🤣
I usually prefer MegaDrive and it’s sound chip, but Bubsy sounds so much better on SNES that I prefer the SNES version over the MD one. Even if it’s lower res.
(And yes, I love the game and even own a pc big box release of it lol)
6:20 Some of the mods are actually Achievement friendly. Not all but the offical ones are.
I think new 3D Mario (Odyssey 2?) will be a launch title, but I am sure it will also be a cross-gen. Nintendo will not leave 140M player base without a chance to give them $70 for a new Mario.