Set Neck Guitars Are Super Cool!
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Gluing in a guitar neck is one of my favorite parts of the building process. All the bits come together and, when it’s all said and done… Hell, you have a guitar on your hands.
Okay you still have a lot more to do but you are in the home stretch. In this video We show y’all how to glue in a couple different styles of necks a Gibson mortise and tenon as well as a Texas Toast “Wedge” neck.
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I've only been building for a couple of years and very thankful that you and other builders are willing to share your knowledge and experience with us. I have learned a whole lot from you and I thank you. Keep on keeping on!
Thanks for watching Rodney, glad to hear you are enjoying the videos
I all ways tape off any places that the glue may squeeze out.whipeing with damp cloth ,even then,no matter what glue you use,it still stains,and sanding sometimes won't remove
That is a trick that works well too
On casual days Superman`s T shirt was a Flying V neck
I have never like V necks
Great update to your website!!! And the vids are super fun and informative, as usual. :)
Thanks William, the website is still undergoing changes but I believe that continued improvement beats delayed perfection hahaha.
To avoid accidently drilling holes in the back of the guitar body, I dry clamp my body, locate the cavity and drill holes with a hand drill very slowly in the side of body where the glue surface is. It is surprisingly easy to drill and to locate where the holes will fall.
2:30 - "Ask me how I know." Hah! Reminds me of my favorite aphorism (which I lean on a lot):
Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
Also: thanks for sharing your expertise again (and again and again...)
That is awesome Jim, thanks brotherman
That v looks sooo awesome !! Great job as always Matt !!
Thanks Terry these guitars are looking really cool, we sprayed sealer on these the other day and they look really great, can't wait to show y'all
Really beautiful joinery on that V. A pleasure to see that level of precision.
Thanks Andrew, I saw your email about Denver restaurants too but I can't think of my favorites
Set thru body and neck thru are my fave
totallyu
Awesome as always !!!
Thanks MIke
I know the pain of the forgotten side dots. Fortunately I only really needed up to the 15th on my own guitar, which is all I could reach with my drill.
Definitely love the idea of masking tape to make notes, gonna use that one for sure!
Oh man, I feel your pain
Looks great Matt
Thanks Michael, BTW we are almost finished with the Californian
I automatically hit like on Texas toast vids cuz I know it's gonna be awesome!
Thanks Scott, that means a lot to me brotherman
You have great videos.
I appreciate that!
Great stuff as usual Matt
Thanks Richard, we sprayed sealer on these the other day and they look really great, can't wait to show y'all
Texas Toast Guitars look forward to seeing the end results
Matt, can you either do a brief video or explain the process of designing a set neck vs a bolt-on? We are building bolt-on necks only at school but I'd like to learn how to do set necks (I've been told they have more perceived value). Really interested in the difference between the two as far as design and setup/process....By the way, this is Dave S, from Nashville (Nutter's student).
I love this idea for a video!
I'm going to start a while series about it today
Another Colorado builder on UA-cam says you MUST let the glue dry and then CHISEL the squeeze-out away. I shit you not. He claims that, if you wipe it, it permanently seeps into the grain. (You know what's more permanent than that? Chisel gouges.)
My response to glue seeping into the grain would be... so what?
I guess everyone has their own way of doing things but that technique sounds like much ado about nothing
You don't get chisel gouges if you know what you're doing. If you're getting gouges, then you need to lay that chisel down more.
Seems that the glue that was left to dry would still have seeped into the wood, so that doesn't make much sense to me, lol. I do agree that glue getting into the wood where you don't want it isn't a good thing tho, at least for stained guitars as you'll see where the glue was. Painted guitars don't matter tho.
I thought the chisel gouges statement was humorous, also. I try to remove squeeze out right away, but not using water. I have had a few occasions when the places I wiped away glue with a wet cloth were dramatically affected in how they took stain or dye. And because the glue was pulled into the wood by the water, surface sanding didn't resolve the problem.
@@Metalbass10000 I agree. Wipe it with a paper towel so it doesn't soak in too much and then just do some surface sanding once everything's set and you're golden
Great tips Mat thanks from the U / K
Thanks Kev, glad you enjoyed the video my friend
I really appreciate your vids man! I been building 20 years and your videos still inspire me. Thank you. Titebond Original can reactive when moistened which is why they recommend builders use Titebond II.
Yep, I prefer Titebond II for most applications when building guitars and basses. I'll use a different glue if I think it's better suited for what I'm doing, like using Titebond III and Gorilla wood glue for parts of my work benches, and epoxy on my dust collection system on one bench. Good to hear the manufacturer recommend II for instrument builds.
I use Original Titebond for everything, the other stuff isn't aliphatic resin. I recommend y'all use whatever you like the best.
@@TexasToastGuitars Ok, I've been able to learn about many things in my life because I've never been afraid to say, "I don't know," and I don't give a shit about the opinions of people who would rather stay ignorant and try to bullshit people.
So I'd appreciate you helping me out on this. What is alliphatic resin, versus, what are the other glues, and how doez the alliphatic resin work, versus how the others work, that makes it better?
A very wise man told me, at a very young age, " any man that claims to know everything is only proving his ignorance." i am always interested in learning, especially learning about things I really love, or and passionate about, like music and musical instruments.
Those are both killer guitars.
Great video and tips. One of these days I want to try my first set neck. I've built plenty of bolt on neck guitars, but haven't got the courage to glue one yet. Thanks for the inspiration. Thinking about a LP Junior, for my first attempt..👍😎🎸🎶
You will love it, much cheaper than chrome hardware too :)
@@TexasToastGuitars cool!👍😎🎸🎶
Cool video. I plan on building a guitar so I now I know what I'm in for
Building guitars is super cool make sure to send pics
Also, where are you getting your set necks that have heels?
I plan on making an explorer style guitar but I can’t find any prebuilt necks online with that headstock style and a heel.
Pretty damm cool!! I like see this staff in a live video!!!
That would be fun Julian
@@TexasToastGuitars fuck yeah man!!
“Clamp it Jed!” I kept laughing to myself because Joe Vallee would say the same thing to me , and then you mentioned R.V.!! Haha, what a small world . Keep up the good work with the videos, I’m diving into some builds using techniques I haven’t used yet and these are really helpful. I may have a couple questions for you very soon!
Who is Joe Vallee? That name sounds familiar
@@TexasToastGuitars Roberto Venn Instructor/Doobie Brothers Guitar Tech .
@@brandontuttle5768 John Roberts used to say a bunch of funny things and I'm sure they get reused by a lot of us
Matt do you pre-drill the pickup and cavity holes before your staining or painting. I figure you would but I am just curious.
How do you guys deal with the small space between the fretboard and the body due to the neck angle on explorers and flying Vs?
That is really good ice cream:)
I love it
Very cool with the fabric tops. I have a Hydrographics shop also and have dipped many guitars but I like that fabric
I need a rifle stock dipped in cheetah print
Texas Toast Guitars I could do that for ya
Do a vid on doing the 58 flying V neck tenon. How did you cut your angles on the side of the tenon? Also determining the neck mortise width and cutting it. Thanks,
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Matt, do you use feeler gauge to check set neck clearance or just feel?
Love them flying V neck joints
Oh man, the Gibson neck joint is the bane of my existence some times HAHAHAHA
I hate the SG neck joint ,it should be a neck thru ,
Hi, for a flying v , is the neck break angle routed into the base of the neck pocket or is the back of the tenon angled ? Cheers !!
I'd love to have you build that guitar for me with an ebony board! Where do I go to have that built.?
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*Brushy Brushy*
Solid advice on the ultra tight neck joint craze
You were at the Roberto-Venn in the 90s? I'd love to see what you built back then and share some stories in a podcast episode.
Hell, I was at Roberto-Venn in the 80's!
We could certainly do that podcast... I wonder if I could get someone who is currently on staff to be a guest?
Hey Matt good video on glueing a set neck . I just started my first guitar builds 2 at one time a 58 les Paul junior and a telecaster how would I send some pictures to you?
Hi Thomas, send the picks my way, use the contact us thing on the website
Matt your Awesome*** I have a question what is the difference between gluing or bolting on the neck on a L.P. type guitar?? Iam asking because I really dont know what the advantages or disadvantages are. Thanks Matt..
Thanks Blind Man60, attaching a neck with bolts screws or fasteners has several advantages... the neck can be removed, the neck can be shifted for alignment in numerous directions including shimmed for bridge issues. The neck pocket doesn't have to be particularly tight. You can finish it in two parts, etc... A set neck has some advantages that include people think it is a classier way to do it (I know I do), there isn't a need for a blocky heel (some bolt on necks don't have this... most do and glue is much cheaper than chrome hardware.
I hope that helps
8:29
How thick is that piece of body from bottom of the tenon to bottom of the guitar?
I wonder how much material I need to leave for it to be structurally reasonable
Propably I'm asking again but this time with clearly visible example
Maybe some day I'll make a guitar as cool as a Texas toast guitar!
That's easy, the hard part is making a guitar as cool as Chad Hodge. What I mean is you will always be your worst critic so you should also be your biggest fan. I want you to start following my not very often advertised motivational page... facebook.com/The-Electric-Guitar-Builders-Manifesto-1644561555760177/
That's my all time favorite guitar model its hard to find one affordable and in left handed custom edition but i do love the ML Gibson Flying V and V2 models but the moderne is number 1
The modern is one of my favorites too
Very cool Matt, But when we going to finish that SG bass?
Ugh...
Working on it boss hahaha
Actually I was making a video for it the other day.
I’d like to see how you go about creating the neck tenon and pocket. I have 3 Gibson-style builds in progress and I simply can’t get a clean joint. The concept is easy, but the execution...not so much.
Great suggestion!
We will have videos on that coming soon
Man, that is one long tenon on that Flying V. Don't know if I've ever seen one extend past the pickup cavity before. Then again, I've never built a V. Lots of glue surface on yours. :)
it's crazy long, Someone was saying that the V neck joints are a miracle if they stay and I'm like... not the 58s
I’m curious to why you didn’t put glue on both surfaces. Our old timer wood shop teacher back in the day would beat that into our heads. The one time I didn’t do it, a big chunk of maple came flying off my table lamp I was turning on the lathe.
I have heard the old timers say that too.
I would be curious as to how tight the glue joint was on your lamp.
Woo Hoo, new Texas Toast night, almost as good as a NGD.
LOL, good taste in Ice Cream too, I love that stuff and the jars are great multitaskers.
what is NGD?
@@TexasToastGuitars New Guitar Day, since you make them everyday, it's forgivable that you would miss that.
So you don't recommend spreading glue on both sides of the joint or waiting until it is tacky before joining?
I never saw the need for that, however, I have heard of woodworker's doing it. Maybe it's an old school thing... I'm not sure.
I hear lots of working techniques that I don't use that both do and don't make sense to me. Dissent make them right or wrong.
You need to do what you think needs to be done.
In the video it looks like there are gaps on both sides of the neck joint at the heel area. Or is that a trick of the light?
Beats me
This was great. I've only ever owned fenders and this will sound really, really dumb, but I sort of don't ...get.. set neck guitars. Like, with all the string tension, and the neck just glued in place, why doesn't it just rip the neck right out of there?
I mean, obviously it doesn't. And for lotsa people, set necks are preferable for the toanz and shit.
Is glue just way stronger than I think it is? Or maybe the string tension is more pulling down the length of the neck and not out in front of the guitar, so it's not actually much force working against the joint? Maybe I'm just an idiot - I'm gonna go with a little of all those things.
Hi Matt.Can you please show how to glue a flying V body together with a new video? Or at least provide a link that shows how it's done? Thank You from Toronto Canada.
I think I can do that Tom
@@TexasToastGuitars Thank you.
Yeah side dots Matt, how do you know😂🤣? Great video by the way!
HAHAHA sometimes, if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have no luck at all
@@TexasToastGuitars Yeah but you work under a GOOD sign "Texas Toast Guitars" 😎Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug 👍🏼
Could you share your philosophy regarding Titebond vs. hideglue (removable)?
Hi Joel, I don't really have a POU (philosophy of use) for various glue types. I haven't given it enough thought, nor will I, to have it be a thing. I would say that if you are building guitars designed to be disassembled than adhesive, of any kind, is not what I would use. I have used Titebond original for a long time and it has never let me down. You should use whatever you like best too
@@TexasToastGuitars Since I learned from a guitar repair guy, he always espoused using a glue that didn't make it unnecessarily hard for the next guy after you to get in there and repair something if it needed repairing. Both Titebond and hide glue loosen up with heat, so either one accomplishes that task. More time intensive to pull apart than a bolt-on neck, but still doable.
Do you normally glue the neck on before painting the guitar?
How else
How was the skull graphic applied?
I have done a bunch of videos about it, here is #1 in the play list. There is also a blog on my website for more
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this gives all new meaning to the word bearded clam
"I get really saucy after a few drinks. Sexy rude, not obnoxious rude."
Katie Price
@@TexasToastGuitars Whoops I meant bearded clamp.
You got it ! Sharing away...
We got it botherman… we still don't know what to do with it :)
@@TexasToastGuitars "We got it botherman…" blaugh haha!!! you got me pegged. Just finished wiring the Toastrite. (Wish I knew how to play, it sounds great.) The pickups had to be completely dismantled. Once I figured out what was doing what, I was able to save the bobbin windings. nothing like a P90, very strange design. Anyway no copper shielding, no paint and no 60 cycle hum. Here's the next installment of Evil Knievel for Chris, let him know. facebook.com/gary.jamescherry/videos/vb.100001595454378/1657906490939183/?type=3
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@@facultylynx9854 We are trying to raise money for our booth at the NAMM show... so, if this is a donation we very much appreciate it.
@@TexasToastGuitars Carmine from Biohazard might be looking for a project body, if it helps.
Title: Well, duh! YES they are! Diggin' that "Korina" V (You know, as a "REP from Kalamazoo", I am required to use that term)!
HAHAHA I might have to start using it too. People have no idea what white limba is
@@TexasToastGuitars You know things are starting to get so confusing I'm actually trying to memorize those scientific names (in latin), it's more like a joke but sometimes prevents confusion. Limba is a new one for me, Terminalia Superba LOL.
Matt what was your neck angle on this one🤔
I can't remember but I think I used my 2.2 degree sign plate. It sets the bridge on a 24.75 scale just right for a TOM
So that V seems like a thick boi - was the '58 that thick or is this a deviation in your design.
78 V was my first guitar (that I bought in 79/80 via lay-a-way, and I still own today) - I love all things V! DID YOU KNOW - the radius on the "shoulder cuts" at the base of the neck is the same as the ends of the "V" (you can mate them like a puzzle piece)!
I hope you guys get a partnership with that Talenti Gelato company - that stuff is the shit, and the containers make great work jars! :)
I think that guitar is right at 1.75" I didn't know that about the radius... I would love to have the Talenti people for industry partners
When I get out the toothbrush and scrub the squeeze-out with water, I finish up by soppin' it up with a biscuit!
Arsenio Hall... luthier
Hey Matt, are neck through body a major PITA? I recall a guy that came into my high school woodworking class that built a neck through back in the late 70s. Apparently he was a former student or buddy of the teacher or something. I remember watching him & asking questions when I could, stealing some time from my assigned projects. Thoughts on neck through?
Karl, I've built several and depending on the body shape, they're super easy.
@@bevo65 Thanks bevo! I've been wondering for quite a while ;)
Hi Karl, it's not that they are a pain to do as much as they are a pain to plan for if you are used to not doing them hahaha.
@@TexasToastGuitars Yeah, right? I can see that coming a mile away... I tend to overthink things... hehehehe
If I get into that riverwood I want I'd like to try a neck through out of the timber. Still haven't found anyone diving for wood around here. I'll keep trying until I succeed or fail... I think I'm so smart I'll do it myself ;)
Lol , Clampett Jed , I get it.. Yep im that old . Yuk Yuk !
I tell ya Glenn, being old beats the alternative
Which leads me to ask, why can't you glue in a neck of a screw on neck? It would lead me to believe if you wood up those holes with some dowels, you'd be able to glue it and then be able to cut some of that wood away for better fretting on those lower frets, or even use dowels to connect the neck instead of screws and the glue would expand the dowels. I've wondered about that since my first Epiphone. Thanks.
I used to work with a guy that did that all the time, it works great
@@TexasToastGuitars Thanks, I'll try it with my Jr first, if I fail, it'll still look good hangin' on the wall. Hell, if it goes that badly, I'll slap a clock in it. About the price of those neon fake guitar clocks anyhow.
I need a left handed moderne guitar with a les paul head stock
Hi Michele, please send me an email about your project and we can get something going.
Reply
@@TexasToastGuitars how much would it cost? and my email DiwaniCooper@gmail.com
@@TexasToastGuitars i put my email in the comment sections of the video
Are the wood glues different today than way back when? I was told to let the overage dry, not to wipe. Back then, I guess, wiping would push the glue into the grain & show up in the finish, letting it dry would allow knife/chisel removal & not affect the grain.
You was told wrong brother! Divits are a ton harder to fix than a light sanding. Isn't it a good thing to get glue in the grain, making a stronger connection? I mean, that's just logic.
@@Damaged262 Not the joint I was talking about per se. the bleed out around the joint is what I was referencing. Back in the day (70s), ya let the dry then removed with a sharp object. After seeing Matt wipe & water cleanup the glue overage, I'm assuming the glues have changed some. I used to wipe excess glue back then & enr up sanding a divot to get the glue out so stain would take.
@@electroKrunch I totally get your point, I was more trying to be a smart ass than be an actual expert, since I know tons more about aquariums than I do guitar building.That's why I ask more questions than solve any. Unless you need some help choosing an aquarium filter that is.
@@Damaged262 I'd like to build an aquarium to show how artificial baits work in the water. Maybe we can do something?
Titebond and as far as I know all aliphatic resin glues will get into the grain and keep the wood from accepting stain evenly. Not a problem if you're not staining the wood. Chiseling the glue off at the neck set stage it very risky from the wood damage point. I use hot hide glue for most of my set necks these days because of easier clean up and a no creep joint.
This maybe seems like a no brainer thing but I can't get my head round when/How you route the neck humbucker pocket on a set neck! I'd like to see how you do that! #NubeQuestion
Hi Simon, We have a few of those to do coming up I'll do a video if you promise to watch it
@@TexasToastGuitars I'm always watching your videos dude!! Love your straight up advise on how to make guitars and your no bullshit way of putting things across!! I'm building a tele at the moment from 114 year old pine!! It's 😍so far...
What would be a good project is , the less Paul with a single coil at the bridge and the original trim , from a 59 Epiphone,. With the original electronics , but where would 1,get such a guitar , and parts , just sitting in a case , .
Let me know if we can help you run down that dream Joseph
@@TexasToastGuitars what I'm thinking about is sending you the parts or whole guitar , you can use it for a template, or put the parts into a les Paul or flying "v". / The last luither that looked at it from a piano store of all places said 59 ,. No women no cry.
We are happy to help
@@TexasToastGuitars from that 1design it's in the tone control /it has 2legs for Volume/ 2legs for tone control, and 5, legs on the output jack , with the original orange drop cap / with the original wires, I played it this morning , with the 6inline kluson tuners , all yellow now.
What if you need to shim the neck?
You mean after it is glued in?
Texas Toast Guitars yes. With a bolt on you can shim if necessary. How would you adjust the height or angle of the neck?
I would say that if you are building guitars designed to be disassembled than adhesive, of any kind, is not what I would use. If you have miscalculated the neck angle and glue it in you will need to significantly alter your design or remove the neck with heat. Guitar necks that have glue, screws or bolts all work well. Use what you like the best
Texas Toast Guitars Thanks. Really enjoy you videos. Keep up the great work!
It's funny how so many guitar players think a set neck is more "premium" than a bolt or screw in neck. I prefer to make set necks not because they're better, but because require fewer operations than a set neck.
Live how you want to live brohterman.
Like I said somewhere in this comment stream glue is much cheaper than chrome plated neck hardware.
How do ya know
Beats me
I wipe glue on my pants. Pro tip.
“Yes," he said sincerely. "Such a one deserves peanut butter on the seat of his pants.”
― Patricia Briggs, Frost Burned
Noticed the tenon to body area on front had a couple small gaps. Is there a reason for that or will it get filled?
If you look inside the neck pickup route of most Gibson guitars, you'll either see no tenon at all, or much larger gaps between the end of the tenon and the end of the route, sometimes nearly as a much as a 1/4 of glue/paint.
I was actually wondering the same thing. They look a bit larger than what I would have expected. Probably a painted guitar and will get filled?
@@TomL-
Well, from what was visible, the joint on the V seemed perfect, and it was pretty deep. I'm easily amused by watching builders make nice stuff with good machines. Meanwhile I'm stuck in a basement with chisels and a cat that keeps getting in the way.
@@mellifiedman23 yeah....but if you can build equal quality....albeit taking longer time, that's one helluva sense of accomplishment ;)
@@TomL-
Well, thanks Tom! Though that cat is a formidable obstacle at times, ha.
I'm not sure that's a Flying V-please send that to me so I can install some burstbuckers-will let you know when I'm done:))
Sorry amigo, but that guitar is gone daddy gone
@@TexasToastGuitars Yea..I kinda figured that. But hey...got to dream I guess. This "build" dream is driving me crazy. Maybe if I buy some templates I'd be forced to learn..and buy some tools..and..ahhh damn it..
Surprised you did not put a block under the clamp in the back of the gtar. You don't get a little depression?
We do that often but this time the pads on the clamps were enough. We didn't need too much pressure
@@TexasToastGuitars Thanks, now I have Under Pressure stuck in my head. You two need to wait in the car....
"Mating surface" - sounds like a terrible euphamism for the marital bed!
HAHAHA I'm going to try that on Mrs. Texas Toast. I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Coneheads but that skit had lots of stuff like that, too funny
"Consumption of mass quantities. I will enjoy it"
Never saw the SNL skits (youth and the Atlantic Ocean combined to stop me from seeing it), but I enjoyed the film.
😊 I so I thought you were supposed to measure something what about that process
You glue this neck without checking alignment
I hope for you that the strings are fitting correctly
Why would you think we would glue up this, or any, neck without verifying the alignment?
@@TexasToastGuitars Cuz I can see that you're gluing this without checking how the strings will run from the nut to the bridge...I wouldn't even do this with a bolt on neck !
anyway, do as you feel
@@jeremiecharras7993 you are right, every guitar we have ever made was done incorrectly. I'm going to use all of your guitars as inspiration for my life from now on.
I think the guys at the guitar forum you normally haunt are missing you
@@TexasToastGuitars Huuu...
OK sir you're a great luthier and I aint. Sorry for that
But if I ask my luthier and his answer is like yours I just run out the shop . Super cool my ass
HAHAHAHA don't let it get under your skin. The internet is a fun place
Slow down Amazing Grace on a lever harp
But you said ask me how i know
I say a lot of things hahaha
biggest mistake i see people make is they don't apply glue to both surfaces before mating.
That's the biggest mistake?
@@TexasToastGuitars well not the biggest but very common. This speaks to the point you were making about neck fits that are too tight. If you are fitting a very tight neck pocket having glue on both pieces will give you more work time to move things around. i learned this the hard way
Almost guitar are espensive only his name but the quality are poor like gibson ibanez fender esp they all mass produce. I bet handmade guitar like ric toone guitar,jet guitar,ed romans guitar,mcnaught guitar.
Thanks
Set neck guitar is the cheapest of all guitar construction.,less cost only cheap glue less man power very easy to break less sustain and stability.
I agree with almost everything you (and Ed Roman) said here.
However, to do a mortise and tenon correctly is not an easy thing that just anyone can sit down and do correctly the first time.
WIENER ROLLER!!!!
oh.. sorry...
You never have to apologize for wienie rolling
I'll drink to that!
@@TexasToastGuitars Aww man... I just realized I picked the auto-corrected wrong word.
WIENIE ROLLER!!!! there, fixed it.