Notice how in the beginning, the courtroom quietly chuckled when they saw Gary walking in, but as soon as Gary left after his testimony, they stay dead silent.
Because Gary's power was undeniable. He was stronger than anyone in that courtroom. A society of brutal cruelty created Joker, but the selflessness of Gary's loving and forgiving nature destroyed him. Arthur isn't a total monster, he just never expected someone he considered innocent to be effected by his crashing out.
This movie reminds me of Alien 3... It's hard to decide if it's objectively a bad film but you really hate it anyways. The direction of the story is totally terrible, but it has great moments.
4:22 I love how Arthur drops his lawyer voice and speaks as himself. He genuinely cares about Gary and was shocked to see just how much damage he had caused his only friend.
I legit don't understand why they added the gang-rape scene later, Arthur dropping the Joker thing after seeing how much pain he caused would've been A LOT better
@@Jose-se9pu having him drop the joker only for someone else to pick it up would have been more thematic anyways, same as this scene would have symbolized his "act" leaving his control at first figuratively and then finally literally, at the end of the film he'd have a choice between being arthur and denouncing the joker or being the joker and ridding gotham of anyone trying to take his name, that would have been a trolley problem we'd then never have to see the outcome of because the mystery would gave been more interesting than the reality
@@kdizzle901not as good as the first yeah but it's far from Awful. It's actually insane how overhated this film is, especially from people who haven't EVEN SEEN IT
It’s crazy how Arthur and Gary are the same. Both were different, both got made fun of, the butt of the joke but Gary never made fun of Arthur and Arthur never made a joke about Gary and they were nice to each other.
Arthur knew he was the monster all along and that he wasn’t any different than those people who kept him down only he did it to Gary the only person in Gotham who gave him the time of the day
The one scene in this film that stands on it's own. Gary's actor is great as Arthur begins to grapple with his actions. Too bad the rest of the movie is like being stabbed in the eyes and ears
“Arthur, Don’t do this to yourself. This isn’t you.” 😢 Man, poor Gary was trying to steer Arthur back into authenticity before it was too late. The people _WANTED_ The Joker but no one wanted Arthur Fleck; the Arthur Fleck that just wanted to entertain people on a city block while they go to work. The Arthur Fleck who just wanted to shine a little light into the lives of sickly children in a hospital. The Arthur Fleck who was kind to Gary when no one else was. Arthur made a horrible choice by choosing violence, but I do believe Gary still saw Arthur for who he really is. The end of the movie where he actually drops the facade and takes responsibility for his actions, he gets the death penalty, I think. I’d like to believe after everyone abandons him, the _one_ person who pays him a visit one last time is Gary. I doubt that was actually the case, maybe the guards set that up to have Arthur get shanked, but wouldn’t be nice?
the movie naming after the character itself - Joker, ppl come to theater to see Joker, if the movie originally name Arthur Fleck: The False Joker thats okay, it will be the peak movie, but it wasnt, this is a scam movie, using the name of Joker to make money no more
@@gaumap3831but it didn't make money. So, are you so sure that was the point? If you ask me Phillips wasted the big wigs money as well as your time on purpose. Here's why. Timeline - Phillips pitched 2019 Joker as part of a collection of films called DC black which would have had all of the Rogues Gallery's origin stories included shaping his version of Gotham setting the stage for a potential Batman. They say no. But he can do one film at a very low budget. So he does, and at that point after having his idea set fire to he aims to make Joker 2019 a stand alone character study/film. Then it does what no one expects and grosses over a billion $s at the box office. He's contacted again after the shitshow that was the Snyderverse and after Reeves was greenlit to make his Batman and asked to take creative control of the DC movie universe. He refuses but is contractually obligated to make a sequel to 2019's Joker. And that's why, we got the film we did. So if you ask me you're mad at the wrong person. With a little empathy and perhaps it takes liking Arthur as a character and not just the Joker...you can view Foil Le Duex as the wonderful film it is.
His acting is always good, dudes a legend. Hope he doesn’t off himself like ledger cuz this sequel was dark af and on top of that it didn’t do well … I don’t feel good about the dude let’s pray for him
Where was Auther a monster? That’s why this movie sucks. Trying to portray Auther as someone who is just pure evil and no heart. But Gary walked free and so did the Woman on the subway 🚇.
@j.pipparker even if Murray and Randall were jerks, killing them was still murder, which was wrong. And he killed his mother, as well, which was also wrong.
@powerofediting1657 i mean, yes, it was. But it's hilarious how people who do terrible things to others isn't blatant obvious and will never be brought to justice as quick as a murderer? And second of all, i looove how the Jokers from the batman comics are always loved and praised, but when it came to Todds first Joker movie, ALL A sudden it's a problem, lmao
@@vasilyrussiazov yes the part one is very close to my heart but now I can,t watch that because of knowing that the story is continued by this shit of crap
Gary pleading with Arthur about feeling alone, feeling small. When, in Arthur's eyes, what he did as Joker was supposed to empower people like Gary. Goes to show, Arthur becoming Joker only hurt the few people who cared about him
4:49 this performance is fantastic. Gary seems so genuine and it makes me actually feel saddened for him when he is admitting how powerless he actually is. It’s the word actually that strikes me as it shows this moment wasn’t just traumatic, it broke his spirit. Idk maybe the gorilla part of my brain that makes me want to protect the helpless
The story is about how tragic someone's life can end up being, like a psychotic person, if they decide to fight against the system and act like a psychopath. This Joker is not the same type of Joker as those played by Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, and Cameron Monaghan, simply because he doesn’t commit crimes out of a lack of empathy; he does it to satisfy his most primitive urges, as he didn’t have the best childhood and didn’t learn to control his emotions, while also losing touch with reality. That’s why Arthur feels guilt or discomfort in the scene with the little man; for the first time, he is valued for who he was before. The previous Jokers wouldn’t have cared because they lacked the ability to empathize with people.
@@Omnivolv It actually is if you have the ability to broaden horizon beyond Batman fights villain, almost loses, but then wins at the end. It's amazingly multilayered and one of the most 'human' films in the superhero/comic book movie genre.
If they didn’t rip Auther from being the orginal Joker or heck even letting HARLEY STAY WITH HIM. It would have been fine. This was suppose to be about Auther finding love. But they said f*ck him and just took everything he gained. Todd really should never work in Hollywood ever again.
I haven’t seen the movie yet, but it looks like the point of the movie is to remind us not to be like those who idolized the joker, treating him like a hero when he wasn’t
The last part was very heartbreaking. Poor Gary could have been the best friend for arthur in this rotten society, If arthur just havent ruined it instead.
It never occurred to Arthur to call Gary for a coffee or to just watch TV and hang (he DID however fantasize about doing the same with Sophie, of course because she's beautiful and the fantasy plays into his ego). Arthur's narcissism would never allow him to stop and think about 'the other guy' ironically what he whined about on Murray Franklin. It was all about how the world was cruel to HIM and how nobody liked HIM. Arthur Fleck had a very Elliot Rodger-type personality, too self-absorbed and self-pitying to realize the answer to ending his loneliness and isolation was using the locker next to his. 'Fans' hate this movie because it unmasks Arthur for what he is. A self-pitying, narcissistic, selfish little man.
“Folie à Deux”: A title rich with meaning, suggesting a shared madness between two. It captures Harley’s delusion entwined with his, but it also reveals our own fantasy as the audience. When Arthur turns away from the Joker's legacy, he fractures the dream we all shared. No longer the fearless rebel, he stands revealed as a man, stripped of the myth we once adored. Folie à Deux-a collective daydream woven between Harley and you, the audience. Did you ever truly care for Arthur? Or was it the intoxicating allure of the “Joker” that drew you in? You reveled in the fantasy of rebellion, not in the man carrying its weight. Here lies the brilliance: as the audience turns its back on the film, the art finds its purpose. Folie à Deux becomes a haunting echo of our reality. In the beginning, we see Arthur fleeing the shadow of the Joker, yet by the end, his followers chase after him, pleading, “Wait, don’t go, we still love you.” They cling to the fantasy, blind to his humanity. Harley, too, rejects him, unable to reconcile the jester with the man beneath. And in a cruel twist, his most devoted follower-disillusioned-turns the knife, betrayal born from a dream shattered. Do you not grasp the truth? None of you are ready to ignite chaos or challenge the system. The Joker is your shared fantasy, a reflection of your own desires. You cheered for the rebellion, but when the curtain is pulled back, revealing the fragile man beneath, the fantasy disintegrates, and you, like Harley, turn away. Box office numbers may label it a failure, but as a work of art, it transcends the understanding of the masses-complex, haunting, a masterpiece that compels us to confront not only the myth of the Joker but the unsettling truth of our own complicity in the fantasy. I can't necessarily argue with anyone who has a problem with this movie, because in a sense they are right. It doesn't carry the momentum of the first movie, but in a way that's the entire point. It's about a man who created a character to survive in the world and that character/shadow became too great of a burden for Arthur to carry. At the end Arthur discovered who he really is which is not a murdering psychopath, but a beaten man who at the end of the day just wanted love more than to be "seen or noticed". No it's not necessarily a "comfortable" movie to watch, but in my opinion an important one.
Still can't get over the fact that the films feels like it's trying to be a prequel story for heath ledger joker.....that alone kills it for me, bruh like no build up, just shank and go, pretty much sums up the movie Shank and go
Todd Phillips's directing is top-notch in this scene. 03:21 - The movement of the camera takes us from a real-life audience of Arthur, someone who actually noticed him, to the public in the courtroom, even the people outside, and ultimately the cameras recording him live as Joker. 04:07 - We see the TV live-recording as the ultimate-fulfilled goal of Joker, yet Gary's question slaps him with reality. He even loses the voice. He's Arthur again.
Funny how I lost more respect for Arthur when he was belittling Gary than I did when he killed 6 people. That's the only time I've seen Arthur look remorseful too. And it happens to coincide with him giving up on the Joker persona. Genius film in my opinion.
Gary and Arthur looking at each other at the end of this scene was really sad, especially when Arthur had to hear what Gary wanted to say (when Arthur said "Oh, fuck!"). By far the best scene in the whole film (imo).
That's what I find funny how this is supposed to be grounded and realistic and yet there's so much that doesn't make sense. They sure as hell wouldn't let him in with his makeup either. The movie goes on and on about the riots he's caused as joker so why in God's name would they let him near his followers and a public trial like that? They were asking for something to happen by doing that
Im pretty sure none of this is meant to be taken seriously, its clearly meant to be a form of magical realism/surrealism where despite it being technically grounded its still very fantastical
This movie was so frustrating. It had genuinely good moments like this scene. The acting is great, it looks amazing but Everytime I felt like the movie was getting better or gaining momentum in the story it would pump the brakes with the musical numbers.
The best scene in this bad movie and only scene where we even see the joker lmao. Only complaint about this scene is it feels like he's forcing the joker and even trying to do this preacher accent. In the first joker it felt like Arthur drowned in madness and it felt more natural like he let out all his built up abuse and anger.
@@TheShark94700 He liked it in the first though. It was his escape. It made him confident and it made people finally notice him. So it makes no sense why he wouldn't want to be the joker in this one when it was the best thing that ever happened to him
@@mightguy3118 I think because at the end of the first one, he was completely insane and wanted to give a show. Like he said, he had nothing to lose and then he wanted to kill himself, killing Murray was not planned. Plus, he didn't see the difference between him and Joker because it was Arthur all along. Don't forget that Arthur was under pill in the second film.
@@mightguy3118 Arthur is the man who created mythos of "The Joker" in his universe, he was never supposed to be the man who will embody that role when Bruce Wayne becomes The Batman. Arthur served his purpose in both movies, he was the original, the inspiration and he is his killer's predecessor, and his successor will be a far greater Joker than he ever was in his world as he embodies that role. This movie is way tragic than the first movie from my perspective, poor guy was teased with a brand new beginning and the prospect that there was a person who understood him and could love him, only to be rejected and abandoned by the woman he loved ,he even had to face the fact that he mentally scarred Gary, the only person who saw Arthur as an equal. Both movies are great, this movie extinguished the possibility of Arthur becoming Batman's nemesis and many people didn't like that as they wanted another movie, and the musical scenes were not for everyone.
This is the only scene in the movie that made me cry for Gary feel so bad 😔 this whole film could've been great if wasn't so busy feeling like a Saturday Night Live sketch with all of the ridiculous musical segments JOKER the Musical A pile of a shit for most of the viewing but just this clip alone I loved you really felt his fear of Arthur and what he became oh my.
Everyone (and the people who didn't watch the movie just parroted the same thing) jokes about how Arthur got un-Joker-ed by the prison guards abuse scene but this was clearly the crumbling point of his persona, his delusions, Puddles got through to him. The prison guard scene was more to highlight how he finally realizes what he's caused, further proved by his prison friend who accidentally died because he worshipped Arthur's delusion of Joker and how this accidental movement he created is now hurting people that were like him. Folie a Deux, a madness for two. Defined by the musical parts of the movie, and at the end of the movie, Harley/Lee keeps singing, while Arthur tells her to stop, because Arthur doesn't want to live in delusion anymore. I'm not gonna pretend the film was perfect, it felt aimless at times, musical numbers felt uninspired, but to pretend that Todd Philips didn't have anything cooking there would be delusional (heh).
@ well, thanks one way of seeing it. I think this particular Joker’s purpose was a character study anyway, which restricted him from doing more Jokery things. Though it could end up being just more of the same
@@Artur_0905 I also thought he had some Mark Hamill mannerisms here, particularly in 1:53-1:56 with the way he says "No? Never mind" especially because the southern lawyer accent sometimes sounds like Hamill Joker's Trans-Atlantic accent I just watched this scene not the movie so I don't know what my opinion will be after but generally, despite people calling this Joker a far fetched take on the character, I always thought he had the base of a great traditional Joker if they developed over it. He's the only movie Joker to give us the more theatrical body language like Hamill (I also noticed he seems more confident here than in the first film), thin figure, & clown-ish high pithed laughter like of Hamill's where the others tend to go for a more meancing laugh.
Incredibly tragic scene and one of the things causing Arthur to not wanna be joker anymore. The other being the r*pe scene and the kid being strangled by the guards. He realises it's not worth it. It's not what he wants, it only brings suffering to other innocent people and that's not what he wants.
The excessive self pity feels out of character for the joker. He's supposed to drop all that once he has his 'one bad day'. Seeing him whine about nobody knowing he exists just feels off.
I think the point of this film is to strip away the romanticized idea of an isolated, socially awkward, mentally ill person who, after reaching his limit with society, gives in to his darkest impulses. In reality, that’s all it is... a fantasy. Arthur Fleck is not the Joker from the comics. He’s a wounded individual, acting out in pain. He has no ideology, no convictions-not even a commitment to nihlism. He’s simply a broken soul, hurting others because he himself is hurting.
@@BurntBattleBagel the only way youd get this if you have a very surface level understanding of the film, you're comprehension skills clearly aren't as good as you think. rewatch the first one.. its a natural progression it doesn't even feel like a sequel but just one continous 4 hour film.
@@thetrickster6371 Does it though? The only reason he gets fucked in the movie is because he drops his persona and tries to take accountability. Had he stuck to being Joker he would have actually won. He would have been riding with those clown guys.
@@JesusGomez-ob2qt i knew you were going to say that and I JUST commented elsewhere that all the stuck up people are the ones saying the EXACT same thing you just said. I don't even think you like the movie yourself, you just want to be different and unique. That's your business. But why attack somebody else for saying the movie ie bad?
This is the ONLY scene worth watching in this awful movie. This is what the movie should have been. The Joker arguing his way though the court, and NO SINGING PLEASE
05:22 you were the only one that was ever nice to me 😢😢😢😢😢 I get the joke at the end of the first film, most of the stuff is real whereas the scenes with his neighbor isn't And most of the events in this movie take place in his mind since it's 2 years in the aftermath of the first film The ending of the first film takes place at least 10 years into the future and you have a kid becoming the caped crusader with his parents bleeding out in front of him And in this ending you have a jokester carving his own smile while Arthur is spilling his own guts out If you go with that head cannon not only you can forgive the film but understand its own mindset
2:53 I actually thought, Joker was going to be found "Not Guilty by reason of insanity" due to this questions & answer. Even through accident, Arthur get's the witness to admit that his past actions as 'Joker' didn't correspond with who Arthur was as a civilian, which plays nicely with his former lawyer's defense: The Joker persona takes the wheel when Arthur is in danger. Whether this is actually true or not is irrelevant. Hell even when Arthur retracts all the Joker stuff, that should've also played into his insanity defense because he was a walking contradiction. Ah well....
Gary’s lines at the end of this are some of my favorite in cinema, literally telling him that Arthur was not the most oppressed man in Gotham and that Gary has had it much harder
Poor Gary having to sit in the witness stand in court, testifying getting the business from a former coworker whom he saw brutally murder another former coworker, then being stuck in that apartment having to rely on Arthur to let him out like a doggy, forcing him to relive that trauma.
One of the very few brilliant & incredible scenes in the film. You can see the raw emotion of care between the two even though Arthur is trying so hard to save face, he can't help himself from being hurt for the only person on the planet who ever cared for him. Phenomenal acting. I really wish the rest of the film wasn't a musical & it had much more potential like this scene.
"the joker is me" song is one of the best moments in the film, and it's a musical number lol It's dumb when people call something bad just bcs it's musical
@@rupertjohanson3010I don't think it's the musical numbers that some including myself have issue with but more to do with how they're paced. The joker is me one is perfect but most of the other songs in this movie overstay their welcome a bit imo. Mostly due to lack of screen tests i believe which is why the pacing can be off
I felt so bad for Gary during this scene, the fear in the tone of his voice was absolutely heartbreaking and Arthur was just having fun and treating like this was a Joke but in actuality, Gary was the only real Friend Arthur had and he completely scared him to the point of not being able to do anything but live in fear.
Gary is the heart of this film ❤And absolutely incredible acting from Joaquin. He’s going through so many different emotions in this scene, I don’t think people realize. It’s incredible !
I don't like this movie but it does have some fantastic moments. This scene in particular shows Arthur's more narcissistic qualities especially his anger at nobody noticing him before and being upset that Gary didn't see him on the Murray Franklin show
I know everyone’s had their things to say about this movie (and trust me. I do too), but Gary’s terrified shrill voice is one of the most haunting scenes of this year
I loved this movie more than the first. Tarantino is the only name who has publicly recognized this film as the masterpiece it is. On God. If the masses can't see the twisted irony of the musical motifs it's their own 'issue'.
1:50 « he was a bully on me » « he didn’t deserve to die » That’s frustrating when you know both of them aren’t wrong I fully understand why Arthur killed Randall but also I am 💯 agree with Gary, nothing justifying you can’t take someone else life because of bullying.
I love how when Gary says he didn’t deserve to die. Joker is just like ehhhh..idk lol. Randall perhaps didn’t deserve what he got but he was playing with fire
Joker 1: ''you brought me on the show to make fun of me. you're just like the rest of them'' Joker 2: makes fun of gary and realizes he's just like the rest of them
What makes this scene more sad is as Gary is taking the stand he says Hi, Gary. I think he was genuinely happy to see him. Yet Gary was still afraid for his life. Even though Arthur would never hurt him, he sees the joker.
I've seen a lot of memes online saying it was the SA by the Arkham jail guards that broke Arthur. I don't share that interpretation. I believe it was this scene where Arthur realized he became what he always hated. Hence, he drops the Joker act and takes accountability and responsibility for his actions, instead of blaming the world around him.
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Notice how in the beginning, the courtroom quietly chuckled when they saw Gary walking in, but as soon as Gary left after his testimony, they stay dead silent.
Also worth noting, throughout both films no-one laughs at any of the jokes Arthur makes, the moment he jokes about Gary there's a few chuckles.
I don't think the laughs were real
@@GabrielPWirthtrust me they were
Because Gary's power was undeniable. He was stronger than anyone in that courtroom. A society of brutal cruelty created Joker, but the selflessness of Gary's loving and forgiving nature destroyed him. Arthur isn't a total monster, he just never expected someone he considered innocent to be effected by his crashing out.
I think if you are trying to analyze this film you should probably rethink your enjoyment in cinema
This was the best part of the movie idc what anyone says
This movie reminds me of Alien 3... It's hard to decide if it's objectively a bad film but you really hate it anyways. The direction of the story is totally terrible, but it has great moments.
Amazing how many times I’ve seen the same thing said about so many different scenes in this movie for how apparently “terrible” it was
And both main characters die at the end @@Nicholas_Chen_
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I don't think much people would disagree with you 😂 this is literally the only scene in the movie where we see the joker anyway lmao
4:22 I love how Arthur drops his lawyer voice and speaks as himself. He genuinely cares about Gary and was shocked to see just how much damage he had caused his only friend.
I legit don't understand why they added the gang-rape scene later, Arthur dropping the Joker thing after seeing how much pain he caused would've been A LOT better
This is why, the other scene just pushed him further. But this was the first crack in the camel's back @@Jose-se9pu
@@Jose-se9pu the...WHAT?!
@@coredefect6134 The Arkham Guards take Arthur into the bathrooms and well let's just say severely traumatise him with forced penetration.
@@Jose-se9pu having him drop the joker only for someone else to pick it up would have been more thematic anyways, same as this scene would have symbolized his "act" leaving his control at first figuratively and then finally literally, at the end of the film he'd have a choice between being arthur and denouncing the joker or being the joker and ridding gotham of anyone trying to take his name, that would have been a trolley problem we'd then never have to see the outcome of because the mystery would gave been more interesting than the reality
“You didn’t see anything I had to say?!”. Wow, he sounded so genuinely upset - Joaquin Phoenix is such an incredible actor.
Too bad this movie is awful lol
@@kdizzle901not as good as the first yeah but it's far from Awful. It's actually insane how overhated this film is, especially from people who haven't EVEN SEEN IT
It’s crazy how Arthur and Gary are the same. Both were different, both got made fun of, the butt of the joke but Gary never made fun of Arthur and Arthur never made a joke about Gary and they were nice to each other.
Arthur fleck is so sweet 🖤
Arthur tries to make fun of Gary briefly to be liked by others but it’s not in him as a person to do that.
They aren't the same at all, and Arthur literally makes fun of him in this scene
@ yes because he’s trying to be liked by others and not being himself
@@jesse1008 Why he does it doesn't matter, he still does it. Many others only bully people to try fit in and be liked by others.
5:16 never noticed how joker says “fuck” as a way of desperation to try and avoid his feelings for Gary.
I couldn't hear him when I first saw it
Damn
I've seen the film five times and I've never noticed that until you pointed it out!
@ASchopenkeeper I saw it twice so far
@@TheHeretic1919 You didn't get it?
Arthur knew he was the monster all along and that he wasn’t any different than those people who kept him down only he did it to Gary the only person in Gotham who gave him the time of the day
Bro clearly forget the first movie
@@vasilyrussiazovIk
Leigh Gill deserves so much credit for his performance.
He is the only thing redeemable about this movie.
Someone give him an acting prize already. Or heaps of them. Such a great personification!
I was actually scared during this scene… amazing acting all round …
He shared the screen with Joaquín Phoenix, and he came on top (no pun intended)
@@orka16605 Him, Gaga and some of the costumes are the highlights for me.
The one scene in this film that stands on it's own. Gary's actor is great as Arthur begins to grapple with his actions. Too bad the rest of the movie is like being stabbed in the eyes and ears
Politely, shut the fuck up. Movie was peak. If you disagree, please exit, you may come back inside when you've learnt to appreciate cinema.
Lmfao
“Arthur, Don’t do this to yourself. This isn’t you.” 😢
Man, poor Gary was trying to steer Arthur back into authenticity before it was too late. The people _WANTED_ The Joker but no one wanted Arthur Fleck; the Arthur Fleck that just wanted to entertain people on a city block while they go to work. The Arthur Fleck who just wanted to shine a little light into the lives of sickly children in a hospital. The Arthur Fleck who was kind to Gary when no one else was. Arthur made a horrible choice by choosing violence, but I do believe Gary still saw Arthur for who he really is. The end of the movie where he actually drops the facade and takes responsibility for his actions, he gets the death penalty, I think. I’d like to believe after everyone abandons him, the _one_ person who pays him a visit one last time is Gary. I doubt that was actually the case, maybe the guards set that up to have Arthur get shanked, but wouldn’t be nice?
the movie naming after the character itself - Joker, ppl come to theater to see Joker, if the movie originally name Arthur Fleck: The False Joker thats okay, it will be the peak movie, but it wasnt, this is a scam movie, using the name of Joker to make money no more
@@gaumap3831Exactly this.
@@gaumap3831but it didn't make money. So, are you so sure that was the point? If you ask me Phillips wasted the big wigs money as well as your time on purpose.
Here's why.
Timeline -
Phillips pitched 2019 Joker as part of a collection of films called DC black which would have had all of the Rogues Gallery's origin stories included shaping his version of Gotham setting the stage for a potential Batman.
They say no. But he can do one film at a very low budget.
So he does, and at that point after having his idea set fire to he aims to make Joker 2019 a stand alone character study/film.
Then it does what no one expects and grosses over a billion $s at the box office.
He's contacted again after the shitshow that was the Snyderverse and after Reeves was greenlit to make his Batman and asked to take creative control of the DC movie universe.
He refuses but is contractually obligated to make a sequel to 2019's Joker.
And that's why, we got the film we did.
So if you ask me you're mad at the wrong person.
With a little empathy and perhaps it takes liking Arthur as a character and not just the Joker...you can view Foil Le Duex as the wonderful film it is.
They weren’t THAT close. Gary wouldn’t visit him.
@@49HEALTH they were both "the only person that was ever nice to me" at HaHa's.
I dunno. I disagree.
Despite how bad this sequel really is, you cannot deny that this is good acting from Joaquin.
The movie has some good moments in my opinion it's just that the overall movie really makes it hard to want to get through it for them
It amazes me how this movie is so bad but so well made at the same time. Like Todd made a high quality piece of 💩
I don’t think so. It’s corny and forced and so bad it’s comical.
@@Omnivolv Agreed, it’s borderline cringe.
His acting is always good, dudes a legend. Hope he doesn’t off himself like ledger cuz this sequel was dark af and on top of that it didn’t do well … I don’t feel good about the dude let’s pray for him
i think Gary was a huge part as to why Arthur felt he had to put an end to the idea of "Joker", he didnt wanna be the thing he hated anymore
It just character regression
@@kdizzle901 nah it makes sense if you think about it
Yeah. I think Arthur really saw Gary as a friend and was shocked to see how he really thinks about him now.
He was joker’s only friend and he had to watch him become a monster. I feel so bad for him.😔
Where was Auther a monster? That’s why this movie sucks. Trying to portray Auther as someone who is just pure evil and no heart. But Gary walked free and so did the Woman on the subway 🚇.
@j.pipparker even if Murray and Randall were jerks, killing them was still murder, which was wrong. And he killed his mother, as well, which was also wrong.
@@j.pipparkerHow many murders does it take for you to see someone as a “monster”? He murdered 6 people.
@Stumme-40203 soo... you believe the 3 guys on the subway were in the right and should be allowed to beat down poor defenseless women and man(Auther)?
@powerofediting1657 i mean, yes, it was. But it's hilarious how people who do terrible things to others isn't blatant obvious and will never be brought to justice as quick as a murderer? And second of all, i looove how the Jokers from the batman comics are always loved and praised, but when it came to Todds first Joker movie, ALL A sudden it's a problem, lmao
Brilliant act by phoenix
And it was wasted by a deep shit plot
@@vasilyrussiazov yes the part one is very close to my heart but now I can,t watch that because of knowing that the story is continued by this shit of crap
Leigh Gill was better imo
And by Gill!
He deserves a prize for best supporting actor.
@Ranveejay Just try to not think about this
I like that Arthur was genuinely hurt that Gary didn’t see him on TV 2:22
Gary pleading with Arthur about feeling alone, feeling small. When, in Arthur's eyes, what he did as Joker was supposed to empower people like Gary.
Goes to show, Arthur becoming Joker only hurt the few people who cared about him
4:49 this performance is fantastic. Gary seems so genuine and it makes me actually feel saddened for him when he is admitting how powerless he actually is. It’s the word actually that strikes me as it shows this moment wasn’t just traumatic, it broke his spirit. Idk maybe the gorilla part of my brain that makes me want to protect the helpless
He deserved a better movie.
People can say what they want about this movie, but this scene was so goddamn good. You can legit see the pain in Gary and Arthur’s faces.
Because this is the only good part about the movie the rest is dog shit.
The acting in this scene is amazing
The story is about how tragic someone's life can end up being, like a psychotic person, if they decide to fight against the system and act like a psychopath. This Joker is not the same type of Joker as those played by Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, and Cameron Monaghan, simply because he doesn’t commit crimes out of a lack of empathy; he does it to satisfy his most primitive urges, as he didn’t have the best childhood and didn’t learn to control his emotions, while also losing touch with reality. That’s why Arthur feels guilt or discomfort in the scene with the little man; for the first time, he is valued for who he was before. The previous Jokers wouldn’t have cared because they lacked the ability to empathize with people.
Hey Cam Monaghan mentioned! 🃏
It’s not that deep 😂
@@Omnivolv What do you mean?
@@Omnivolv It actually is if you have the ability to broaden horizon beyond Batman fights villain, almost loses, but then wins at the end. It's amazingly multilayered and one of the most 'human' films in the superhero/comic book movie genre.
5:16 arthur knows it's over for him at this point
This movie had some good moments but the ending could’ve been a lot better.
the whole movie couldve been a lot better
@@mouse7965most of the movie
If they didn’t rip Auther from being the orginal Joker or heck even letting HARLEY STAY WITH HIM. It would have been fine. This was suppose to be about Auther finding love. But they said f*ck him and just took everything he gained. Todd really should never work in Hollywood ever again.
I haven’t seen the movie yet, but it looks like the point of the movie is to remind us not to be like those who idolized the joker, treating him like a hero when he wasn’t
If it had ended with him in the car with the clown guys, it would have been decent.
I will admit this movie has flaws but this scene did get me emotional.
Joaquin Phoenix is a powerhouse and this scene is fantastic. This film does not deserve to have such great acting 😂
Why????
@@natyplay22yt67 because its a shit movie
@@natyplay22yt67 cause the plot and story was shit u clown
Yeah that's what so sad about it, Joaquin and everyone is giving their all while the director indulges in madness
@@natyplay22yt67 cause the plot and story is shit lol
The last part was very heartbreaking. Poor Gary could have been the best friend for arthur in this rotten society, If arthur just havent ruined it instead.
It never occurred to Arthur to call Gary for a coffee or to just watch TV and hang (he DID however fantasize about doing the same with Sophie, of course because she's beautiful and the fantasy plays into his ego). Arthur's narcissism would never allow him to stop and think about 'the other guy' ironically what he whined about on Murray Franklin. It was all about how the world was cruel to HIM and how nobody liked HIM. Arthur Fleck had a very Elliot Rodger-type personality, too self-absorbed and self-pitying to realize the answer to ending his loneliness and isolation was using the locker next to his. 'Fans' hate this movie because it unmasks Arthur for what he is. A self-pitying, narcissistic, selfish little man.
It’s the Southern Lawyer accent that made this scene hilarious.
So stupid 😂😂😂😂
I was dying in the theater 😂😂
Pretty sure he was mimmicking Foghorn Leghorn
"I say, I say, I'm a big fat rooster and I'm the guy from Knives out" what is Jonkler on about? is he stupid?
This is the best scene in the movie without a doubt. If only every other scene was as good as this.
“Folie à Deux”: A title rich with meaning, suggesting a shared madness between two. It captures Harley’s delusion entwined with his, but it also reveals our own fantasy as the audience. When Arthur turns away from the Joker's legacy, he fractures the dream we all shared. No longer the fearless rebel, he stands revealed as a man, stripped of the myth we once adored.
Folie à Deux-a collective daydream woven between Harley and you, the audience. Did you ever truly care for Arthur? Or was it the intoxicating allure of the “Joker” that drew you in? You reveled in the fantasy of rebellion, not in the man carrying its weight.
Here lies the brilliance: as the audience turns its back on the film, the art finds its purpose. Folie à Deux becomes a haunting echo of our reality.
In the beginning, we see Arthur fleeing the shadow of the Joker, yet by the end, his followers chase after him, pleading, “Wait, don’t go, we still love you.” They cling to the fantasy, blind to his humanity. Harley, too, rejects him, unable to reconcile the jester with the man beneath. And in a cruel twist, his most devoted follower-disillusioned-turns the knife, betrayal born from a dream shattered.
Do you not grasp the truth? None of you are ready to ignite chaos or challenge the system. The Joker is your shared fantasy, a reflection of your own desires. You cheered for the rebellion, but when the curtain is pulled back, revealing the fragile man beneath, the fantasy disintegrates, and you, like Harley, turn away.
Box office numbers may label it a failure, but as a work of art, it transcends the understanding of the masses-complex, haunting, a masterpiece that compels us to confront not only the myth of the Joker but the unsettling truth of our own complicity in the fantasy.
I can't necessarily argue with anyone who has a problem with this movie, because in a sense they are right. It doesn't carry the momentum of the first movie, but in a way that's the entire point. It's about a man who created a character to survive in the world and that character/shadow became too great of a burden for Arthur to carry. At the end Arthur discovered who he really is which is not a murdering psychopath, but a beaten man who at the end of the day just wanted love more than to be "seen or noticed". No it's not necessarily a "comfortable" movie to watch, but in my opinion an important one.
THIS is Brilliant…..
GO POST THIS EVERYWHERE. Maybe we can still rescue some reputation 😂 Fire perspective and take. 🔥
Ok edgelord 😂
Gunns superman's gonna trounce this, the age of edge at dc is Dead
Still can't get over the fact that the films feels like it's trying to be a prequel story for heath ledger joker.....that alone kills it for me, bruh like no build up, just shank and go, pretty much sums up the movie
Shank and go
Todd Phillips's directing is top-notch in this scene.
03:21 - The movement of the camera takes us from a real-life audience of Arthur, someone who actually noticed him, to the public in the courtroom, even the people outside, and ultimately the cameras recording him live as Joker.
04:07 - We see the TV live-recording as the ultimate-fulfilled goal of Joker, yet Gary's question slaps him with reality. He even loses the voice. He's Arthur again.
Funny how I lost more respect for Arthur when he was belittling Gary than I did when he killed 6 people. That's the only time I've seen Arthur look remorseful too. And it happens to coincide with him giving up on the Joker persona. Genius film in my opinion.
Arthur acted towards Gary just like those people did to him.
Gary and Arthur looking at each other at the end of this scene was really sad, especially when Arthur had to hear what Gary wanted to say (when Arthur said "Oh, fuck!"). By far the best scene in the whole film (imo).
Ask legal eagal. The joker is not allowed to get close to the jury and witness.
That's what I find funny how this is supposed to be grounded and realistic and yet there's so much that doesn't make sense. They sure as hell wouldn't let him in with his makeup either.
The movie goes on and on about the riots he's caused as joker so why in God's name would they let him near his followers and a public trial like that? They were asking for something to happen by doing that
@@Ashtasticle94it’s so bad it’s comical. Todd Phillips must’ve been laughing while writing these scenes
Im pretty sure none of this is meant to be taken seriously, its clearly meant to be a form of magical realism/surrealism where despite it being technically grounded its still very fantastical
Pretty sure we can look at Ted Bundys court appearance
"You were the only one who was ever nice to me". Gary said the exact same thing now what Arthur told him in the first movie
thank God, now I don't need to see this in the theater for the good moments
Easily the best part of the movie. It's the only part that can really follow the character of the first one, that and when he signed the book.
THIS IS A GREAT MOVIE; NOT SURE WHAT OTHER SAW
Edit out the Lady GaGa scene and I'll love it
@@RandomBitterMan she whas great in it too
This movie was so frustrating. It had genuinely good moments like this scene. The acting is great, it looks amazing but Everytime I felt like the movie was getting better or gaining momentum in the story it would pump the brakes with the musical numbers.
I haven’t seen Joker 2. I’ve heard it’s quite bad. But I like this scene a lot.
The best scene in this bad movie and only scene where we even see the joker lmao. Only complaint about this scene is it feels like he's forcing the joker and even trying to do this preacher accent. In the first joker it felt like Arthur drowned in madness and it felt more natural like he let out all his built up abuse and anger.
That's the point, he didn't want to do Joker but Harley and the people wanted him to do it
@@TheShark94700 He liked it in the first though. It was his escape. It made him confident and it made people finally notice him. So it makes no sense why he wouldn't want to be the joker in this one when it was the best thing that ever happened to him
@@mightguy3118 I think because at the end of the first one, he was completely insane and wanted to give a show. Like he said, he had nothing to lose and then he wanted to kill himself, killing Murray was not planned. Plus, he didn't see the difference between him and Joker because it was Arthur all along. Don't forget that Arthur was under pill in the second film.
@@mightguy3118 Arthur is the man who created mythos of "The Joker" in his universe, he was never supposed to be the man who will embody that role when Bruce Wayne becomes The Batman. Arthur served his purpose in both movies, he was the original, the inspiration and he is his killer's predecessor, and his successor will be a far greater Joker than he ever was in his world as he embodies that role. This movie is way tragic than the first movie from my perspective, poor guy was teased with a brand new beginning and the prospect that there was a person who understood him and could love him, only to be rejected and abandoned by the woman he loved ,he even had to face the fact that he mentally scarred Gary, the only person who saw Arthur as an equal. Both movies are great, this movie extinguished the possibility of Arthur becoming Batman's nemesis and many people didn't like that as they wanted another movie, and the musical scenes were not for everyone.
Most criticisms of this movie seems to be.... the whole point. Maybe it is a good movie idk
This movie is dogshit, but this scene is actually really good
This is the only scene in the movie that made me cry for Gary feel so bad 😔 this whole film could've been great if wasn't so busy feeling like a Saturday Night Live sketch with all of the ridiculous musical segments JOKER the Musical A pile of a shit for most of the viewing but just this clip alone I loved you really felt his fear of Arthur and what he became oh my.
Everyone (and the people who didn't watch the movie just parroted the same thing) jokes about how Arthur got un-Joker-ed by the prison guards abuse scene but this was clearly the crumbling point of his persona, his delusions, Puddles got through to him. The prison guard scene was more to highlight how he finally realizes what he's caused, further proved by his prison friend who accidentally died because he worshipped Arthur's delusion of Joker and how this accidental movement he created is now hurting people that were like him.
Folie a Deux, a madness for two. Defined by the musical parts of the movie, and at the end of the movie, Harley/Lee keeps singing, while Arthur tells her to stop, because Arthur doesn't want to live in delusion anymore.
I'm not gonna pretend the film was perfect, it felt aimless at times, musical numbers felt uninspired, but to pretend that Todd Philips didn't have anything cooking there would be delusional (heh).
I actually laughed so hard during this scene, especially Jokers cockney accent. 😂
So damn goofy 😂
Leigh Gill deserves an Oscar nomination for this scene.
EASY the best scene of the whole movie
I loved this scene, it really tested Arthur if he really wanted to be the Joker, I wish the movie was more like this scene.
Joaquin Phoenix unreal performance.
I haven't heard good things about this movie, but damn, Gary's actor made me shed tears when he said he felt so small.
Its good
This is the best scene in the movie? Goodness 💩
I can’t be the only one that felt like in this scene Joaquin was like Mark Hamill
It's an absolute waste that his joker is gone now. Joaquin played an awesome joker and yet Todd never did anything with him
@ well, thanks one way of seeing it. I think this particular Joker’s purpose was a character study anyway, which restricted him from doing more Jokery things. Though it could end up being just more of the same
@@Artur_0905 I also thought he had some Mark Hamill mannerisms here, particularly in 1:53-1:56 with the way he says "No? Never mind" especially because the southern lawyer accent sometimes sounds like Hamill Joker's Trans-Atlantic accent
I just watched this scene not the movie so I don't know what my opinion will be after but generally, despite people calling this Joker a far fetched take on the character, I always thought he had the base of a great traditional Joker if they developed over it.
He's the only movie Joker to give us the more theatrical body language like Hamill (I also noticed he seems more confident here than in the first film), thin figure, & clown-ish high pithed laughter like of Hamill's where the others tend to go for a more meancing laugh.
Incredibly tragic scene and one of the things causing Arthur to not wanna be joker anymore. The other being the r*pe scene and the kid being strangled by the guards. He realises it's not worth it. It's not what he wants, it only brings suffering to other innocent people and that's not what he wants.
The excessive self pity feels out of character for the joker. He's supposed to drop all that once he has his 'one bad day'. Seeing him whine about nobody knowing he exists just feels off.
I think the point of this film is to strip away the romanticized idea of an isolated, socially awkward, mentally ill person who, after reaching his limit with society, gives in to his darkest impulses. In reality, that’s all it is... a fantasy. Arthur Fleck is not the Joker from the comics. He’s a wounded individual, acting out in pain. He has no ideology, no convictions-not even a commitment to nihlism. He’s simply a broken soul, hurting others because he himself is hurting.
@@thetrickster6371nah, it's just a poorly written movie with character development made simply as an afterthought
@@BurntBattleBagel the only way youd get this if you have a very surface level understanding of the film, you're comprehension skills clearly aren't as good as you think. rewatch the first one.. its a natural progression it doesn't even feel like a sequel but just one continous 4 hour film.
@@thetrickster6371 Does it though? The only reason he gets fucked in the movie is because he drops his persona and tries to take accountability. Had he stuck to being Joker he would have actually won. He would have been riding with those clown guys.
@@JesusGomez-ob2qt i knew you were going to say that and I JUST commented elsewhere that all the stuck up people are the ones saying the EXACT same thing you just said. I don't even think you like the movie yourself, you just want to be different and unique. That's your business. But why attack somebody else for saying the movie ie bad?
This sh!t is already on digital 💀💀
By digital ofc we mean 1337x
Some movies don’t need sequels
Joaquin and Leigh deserve Academy Awards for this scene alone!
By far the best scene in the film, wish the rest of the film kept this scene's tone
IDC what anyone says, I like this movie, not a 10/10 movie like the first one but it's a solid 7/10 for me
I love this movie. I don’t even care it’s so good imo
Only scene where Arthur felt like the same character from the end of the first movie
Finally someone said it 😮💨
This is the ONLY scene worth watching in this awful movie. This is what the movie should have been. The Joker arguing his way though the court, and NO SINGING PLEASE
Yeah agree. The whole film should've been a courtroom drama that would've been much better.
4:19 - 5:35 I didn’t think I’d feel
This much pity for anyone in this film.
I’d be honoured to be Gary’s mate.
Joker on a quest to “break” people. Gary was the only one to “break” the joker. Gary was the only one to possibly bring Arthur back.
Crazy awesome sequel.
05:22 you were the only one that was ever nice to me 😢😢😢😢😢
I get the joke at the end of the first film, most of the stuff is real whereas the scenes with his neighbor isn't
And most of the events in this movie take place in his mind since it's 2 years in the aftermath of the first film
The ending of the first film takes place at least 10 years into the future and you have a kid becoming the caped crusader with his parents bleeding out in front of him
And in this ending you have a jokester carving his own smile while Arthur is spilling his own guts out
If you go with that head cannon not only you can forgive the film but understand its own mindset
Best scene in the movie
2:53 I actually thought, Joker was going to be found "Not Guilty by reason of insanity" due to this questions & answer.
Even through accident, Arthur get's the witness to admit that his past actions as 'Joker' didn't correspond with who Arthur was as a civilian, which plays nicely with his former lawyer's defense: The Joker persona takes the wheel when Arthur is in danger. Whether this is actually true or not is irrelevant. Hell even when Arthur retracts all the Joker stuff, that should've also played into his insanity defense because he was a walking contradiction. Ah well....
Although not perfect, I’m under the impression that this movie will grow a little cult over time.
Gary’s lines at the end of this are some of my favorite in cinema, literally telling him that Arthur was not the most oppressed man in Gotham and that Gary has had it much harder
I think most of the people who criticise this movie, didn’t even see it.
Agreed - this movie is a masterpiece and deserves so much more credit than it’s getting.
Well this scene is god awful so if this is the quality of the rest of the movie I don't need or want to see any more.
@@vortex_1336 Why is it awful? Why do you watch a scene from a movie before you’ve even seen it?
@vortex_1336
What makes this scene so godawful other than stupid nitpicks you can find to trash it that are LITERALLY nonexistent.
Oh yeah how is it awful @@vortex_1336
Poor Gary having to sit in the witness stand in court, testifying getting the business from a former coworker whom he saw brutally murder another former coworker, then being stuck in that apartment having to rely on Arthur to let him out like a doggy, forcing him to relive that trauma.
The best scene of the film. The reason I watched it
Joker: Audience feels sorry for him
Joker 2: (courtroom scene with Gary) You lose respect for him for being a dick to Gary
One of the very few brilliant & incredible scenes in the film. You can see the raw emotion of care between the two even though Arthur is trying so hard to save face, he can't help himself from being hurt for the only person on the planet who ever cared for him. Phenomenal acting. I really wish the rest of the film wasn't a musical & it had much more potential like this scene.
Thank you bro I've been waiting for someone too drop the clips of the movie joker forever 💚💚
This could have been such a good movie, BUT THEY BLEW IT.
Best scene in the movie. No musicals, just pure emotion.
"the joker is me" song is one of the best moments in the film, and it's a musical number lol It's dumb when people call something bad just bcs it's musical
@@rupertjohanson3010except one song doesn’t make the rest of the music great!
@@Logan-b4f that's not the point i was making
@@rupertjohanson3010I don't think it's the musical numbers that some including myself have issue with but more to do with how they're paced. The joker is me one is perfect but most of the other songs in this movie overstay their welcome a bit imo. Mostly due to lack of screen tests i believe which is why the pacing can be off
I really worry about the condition of Joaquin’s spine after he carried this movie so damn hard
I can't believe this Ricky slander.
If you had multiple scenes like this in this film, then it woul have at least been bearable
Thanks for uploading this. I kept wanting to watch this scene again but wasn't sure I wanted to sit through the whole movie a second time.
Okay, now I do kinda wanna see the movie again. lol
The best scene, the acting was outstanding by Gary and Arthur
All I hear is Charlie Day in the bird law episode.
"You sound like Foghorn Leghorn!"
I felt so bad for Gary during this scene, the fear in the tone of his voice was absolutely heartbreaking and Arthur was just having fun and treating like this was a Joke but in actuality, Gary was the only real Friend Arthur had and he completely scared him to the point of not being able to do anything but live in fear.
Gary is the heart of this film ❤And absolutely incredible acting from Joaquin. He’s going through so many different emotions in this scene, I don’t think people realize. It’s incredible !
I don't like this movie but it does have some fantastic moments. This scene in particular shows Arthur's more narcissistic qualities especially his anger at nobody noticing him before and being upset that Gary didn't see him on the Murray Franklin show
Honestly i loved this scene
Ppl just be jerks
Thank you so very much one of scenes🎉 ty
I know everyone’s had their things to say about this movie (and trust me. I do too), but Gary’s terrified shrill voice is one of the most haunting scenes of this year
I loved this movie more than the first. Tarantino is the only name who has publicly recognized this film as the masterpiece it is. On God. If the masses can't see the twisted irony of the musical motifs it's their own 'issue'.
Easily the best scene in the movie. This is what the whole film should’ve been.
Joker in this scene is like Charlie in Always Sunny. "BIRD LAW!"
1:50 « he was a bully on me »
« he didn’t deserve to die »
That’s frustrating when you know both of them aren’t wrong I fully understand why Arthur killed Randall but also I am 💯 agree with Gary, nothing justifying you can’t take someone else life because of bullying.
I love how when Gary says he didn’t deserve to die.
Joker is just like ehhhh..idk lol.
Randall perhaps didn’t deserve what he got but he was playing with fire
Such a great scene
Joker 1: ''you brought me on the show to make fun of me. you're just like the rest of them''
Joker 2: makes fun of gary and realizes he's just like the rest of them
What makes this scene more sad is as Gary is taking the stand he says Hi, Gary.
I think he was genuinely happy to see him.
Yet Gary was still afraid for his life. Even though Arthur would never hurt him, he sees the joker.
Absolutely fantastic acting, oscar worthy
The rest of the film was shit, but his acting was incredible
He sounds like Tom Hanks
Gary Puddles, He is the only, truly, sincere good guy in this Joker Duology Series.
It's the best scene of the entire movie and Leigh Gill deserves the Oscar for this brief but memorable appearance. Gary spoke for all survivors.
I've seen a lot of memes online saying it was the SA by the Arkham jail guards that broke Arthur. I don't share that interpretation. I believe it was this scene where Arthur realized he became what he always hated. Hence, he drops the Joker act and takes accountability and responsibility for his actions, instead of blaming the world around him.